High End Pistol Shootout. Atlas, CZ, Platypus, 2311, 2011, Bul Armory with highspeed footage.
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- Today we compare the Laugo Alien, Atlas Athena, Stealth Arms Platypus, CZ Shadow 2, OA Defense 2311, and the Bul Armory SAS ii Air.
Giving you are initial impressions on some while others I have shot thousands of rounds through. Using a high speed camera to get a better idea of the actual recoil and our ability to get back on target. This also lets us see that some of them might return to zero faster but the trigger is more of a limiting factor on the speed we can achieve.
Let me know if you want a more in-depth full review of one of these pistols and I would be happy to spend more time with them.
0:00 - Intro
1:05 - Testing
3:07 - Alien
7:30 - 2311
10:31 - Platypus
14:41 - Shadow 2
18:35 - Bul Armory
21:29 - Athena
26:16 - Conclusion
30:35 - Bloops?
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This comparison was so good dude. Actually well articulated.
Great video, the shadow 2 is like a gateway drug
The fact that a CZ shadow 2 rivals an atlas is awesome not to mention that it's way more affordable just as accurate definitely more dependable and way more durable is really a testament to the guys from CZ that designed the 75. The gun came out in 1975 that's a 49 year old design still kicking the asses of anything that money can buy. All you gotta do is get a CZ shadow or shadow 2 and throw on a compensator or get the barrel and slide ported and bam you have the world's best shooting handgun without compromising any reliability or function it's unbeatable proven design is the best to date facts
Have to disagree I own an Atlas Titan and bought a shadow 2 orange not even close
Great review!
Nice everyday Joe kind of review. Thanks
Very cool and honest video. Keep it up 🎉
Excellent information!!!
Excellent video! Extremely informative without the gun snobbery. Subscribed!
Appreciate the kind words. Thank you
Great content. Not too brief, didn't shill anything, natural amount of emotion, excellent production quality. This deserves more views
Thank you, I really appreciate that.
Great vid, no long drawn out BS. Earned a sub man!
I really appreciate it!
First video of yours I've seen, I've subscribed. By the way I'm a Bull Armory addict, trust me they are awesome. CZ and Bull Armory are my favorite gun 2 gun makers.
Thank you! I love my CZ and was blown away by the bul
Great review man. Thanks
Thanks for watching and commenting
awesome video
I really appreciate the humble opinions
Great videos 👍 love the shalotek videos, just ordered my slide and flex frame for my p365 xmacro. Thanks for the help, keep up the good work 🇺🇲
Glad I could help and thank you. I really appreciate it!
Awesome video thanks man. very helpful. Just sold me in my want for a shadow 2
Glad we could help! You’ll love it
Love this video! Subscribed!!!!!
Thank you!
In 1994, I was spending $120 for each Glock 17 magazine
And I was happy to get them
I got to handle an Atlas Nemesis ,and it is ridiculous.The slide to frame figment is superb, there is no play very tight fit, yet so easy to rack like it’s riding on ball bearings it’s easily the nicest pistol I’ve ever handled would have loved to shoot it I can never have one because it’s like 7000 bucks
Well if you’re ever in Colorado we have a couple you could try hah.
They are simply amazing.
Good stuff. I'm a CZ guy who's recently discovered 2011s. Love my Shadow 2s. I agree that they're the best price to performance, all around handgun out there, especially on sale. Mine didn't need any real upgrades except a lighter mainspring for a lighter DA pull. And to be accurate, CGW doesn't replace all the internals of the CZs into which they install pro packages... I've had CGW install 2 pro packages and I've installed 2 myself.
I also have an Air and OMG - it is an incredible value for a competition 2011. They're hand fit and it shows. My slide to frame fit couldn't be better - zero play and it's smooth as silk. And the barrel lockup is completely solid. I've got an MPA DS9 Hybrid on order to compare to the Air. That'll be interesting. Oh, and the Air is about to be replaced by the Bul Blaze that looks even better. 🙂
“It feels huge in the hand!”
That’s what she said! 😂
“Feels huge in the hands & I’m kinda blown away by that”
Try Bul Tac 2 Pro - the trigger an fit/finish, reliability are compatible with the Air , weight is lighter and the price is significantly lower.
For my uderstanding , best entery level DS 1911.
Great video. I’d like to see the PDP 5’ match steel frame added for comparison
Me too. A friend has a pdp but not the steel version and I want to spend some time with it
Excellent video, thanks for the review! Agree that CZ S2 is best bang for the buck, I would've put the CZ Checkmate against the other high end guns though, similar price range and higher performance when compared to the S2. Thanks again.
Totally agree. I just didn’t have one available that day. But a friend does have one. Maybe soon in the future
I'm looking at the Platypus. Would you say the flat grip frame was more comfortable than the finger groove one? Currently I'm thinking the grooved one.
For me, I hated the finger grove one and for some reason it caused the safety to dig into my hand.
But that is purely personal preference. Two other people had the same sentiments about it also.
Thank you for featuring our OA 2311! Regarding the grip, the polymer grip module itself is the same between full size and compact models. The magwell is interchangeable, you could run the full size magwell on our Compact and convert to a 17+ round setup. We hope you get more time on the platform in the near future. Cheers! - Mike
Sorry but your grips are fat but short I want longer length on grip that’s my main issue
I really enjoyed this. Thought you did a very nice job. The guys you were shooting with look like average shooters.. That’s a great group to test out these different levels. A high-level competition shooter can certainly feel the difference between these guns, but to the average shooter…
I own an Athena as well as an Erebus and an Alien Creator Limited Optic. I have owned a tricked out shadow two (sold it to a competition buddy of mine who begged. My mistake) and still own an SP 01 that has been tricked out by CZ custom. I’ve shot the Bul Armory. I have owned nighthawks and Wilson’s and more staccato than I care to think about including the XC. I can’t really disagree with anything you say. I have told lots of high-end gun collectors and shooters that the best bang for your Buck is definitely CZ.
I will say this though. The alien creator is an amazingly good gun. It’s just different from shooting the 2011 platform. I wouldn’t pick it over a 2011 and it certainly wouldn’t be the first high-end gun that I would purchase but I shoot it on steel all the time. It’s not going anywhere.
I subscribed.
Thank you for the detailed response and I agree with you as well. The Alien, especially after watching the high speed, I just need a lot more time with it. It is not a 2011 trigger and that is really the only thing slowing me down with it. But, a few weeks at the range with it, and I think I could make it sing.
Just for that price... there are better options. But as you said, it's not going anywhere because it's damn fun to shoot
If the Platypus had the competition trigger, bull barrel, new grip, and other options that would reduce recoil/muzzle flip, do you think it is on par with the Bul Armory?
The Bul Armory beats it in basically every single category (trigger, weight, accuracy, recoil, fit/finish, grip). That sounds dumb to say but it's very true.
If it was my personal money, I would go Bul Armory every single time over Platypus.... but..... Bul has proprietary mags while the Platy uses glock mags....
@@SmallArmsFirearms Thank you for the info! It's crazy hard to find on comparisons. Looks like a Bul Tac pro is my next gun. Think an aftermarket threaded barrel on the Bul from like fusion firearms would work well for suppressing?
@@LogoxSKULgotta say, with about 3k rounds thru my platypus, I would be hard pressed to want to move away from it. The slide is buttery, my 4lb trigger is great (they go to 2.5#), the threaded bull barrel with a comp on front with a TL1-HL, kills recoil. And the new, extra prickle grip, it’s amazing. I’ve practiced in the rain with it, it has grip all day long.
@@pierreeschi yea I'm seeing Bul has MIM parts, 1 year warranty, and being overseas... Kinda thinking platypus again with the upgraded trigger, prickle grip, bull threaded barrel and full rail, optic cut, magwell. Then get an aftermarket upgraded guide rod and see about spring weight, recoil buffer, use a TLR-1 and suppressor. If that doesn't keep the gun flat idk what would.
@@LogoxSKUL with comp and light, it’s pretty smooth. Love this pistol.
Also, it’s insane how low the optic sits on the slide.
When you get done with products, feel free to send them my way for testing as well.
My wallet definitely cries when seeing the prices on some of these.
I believe the Athena is what 4.25 comparing to the bul 5inch. Of course it's going to cycle faster.
Close. It’s the 4.6” but that does make sense.
I have an Atlas Titan. I recommend taking the blue recoil shock buffer out of the gun. Makes the recoil impulse softer in my experience.
Good to know. It’s already super soft but maybe I’ll try that sometime
@@SmallArmsFirearms I also have a Bul Armory and ended up shooting that for limited optics because of how well it shoots
What size gloves do you wear for reference?
L to XL depending on brand.
Hestra gloves I wear a 10.5
@@SmallArmsFirearms thanks
Earned yourself a new subscriber. Good choice of comparisons. Great choice would've been a Staccato instead of the Laugo. I also understand that a Staccato might not have been available from your group. My reason for watching is I'm considering a Platypus. I know Atlas makes the best gun(s) on the market (IMO). I'm not going to shoot competition. Therefore, I don't find the value for me, spent on the Atlas. However, now you've thrown this Bul Armory into the mix... For now, I'll keep researching, but thanks for a good video. I'll be sure to watch some more of your reviews.
If you can wait, or afford it, bul armory is way better when comparing just the fit and finish.
The trigger, the slide, just everything about it is miles ahead of platypus.
BUT! The platypus for its price, damn is it the sleeper for sure
@@SmallArmsFirearms I'm starting to lean towards the Bul... The price isn't the deciding factor actually. I'm looking for the quality of the build, looks, functionality, the entire package, at a reasonable price (IMO). Based on your opinion, I really need to start looking more at the Bul. I've seen a lot popping up about Bul, but really haven't given them a look. I thank you for getting back to me. My search starts tomorrow! Just out of curiosity... Do you have an opinion of the Canik TTI? Not the same category, just asking...
@@michaelkraus4115 IMO platypus really does crush it for the price, but if the price bump to Bul Armory doesn’t bother you… holy shit will you be way happier.
Canik does an amazing job at their price point also. And exceeds it with the best out of the box striker fired trigger I’ve ever felt.
But… I am very hesitant on the TTI Canik. I will preface this next statement with I’ve never seen, shot, or held one so it’s just a theory.
But I feel like you could just add any comp to a normal Canik and probably get the same results.
I just got a comp for my S&W M&P 2.0 and want to compare it to the high speed I have of it before the comp.
I have a feeling the comps make all the difference considering my current testing. Granted… that’s a pretty obvious statement but it’s nice to see it confirmed on high speed.
@@SmallArmsFirearms I'll be sure to watch all your videos. I like your style. Also, value your opinion. Thanks much! I'll let you know about the Bul... 😉😍
@@michaelkraus4115 I truly appreciate it. Trying to get footage together for a 22lr pistol mash up and possibly a tommy gun review soon hah
yeah the platypus wait time is now 20-24 weeks. thats 6 months
Thanks for the update. They are getting much more popular and I can understand at the price point and the customization options.
Seeing your video for the first time...abd this is really nice. Glued to the story from start to finish and repeat. Thanks from the Netherlands.
Oh yea, question: how would the CZ Tactical Sport 2 (Green.. etc) compare to this array?
I haven’t had the chance to try the TS2 green but we did get to play with an original Tactical Sport Orange in .40 S&W
The big difference for that gun is for limited division meeting major power factor while still being a soft shooting pistol that almost feels like a regular 9mm.
The single action triggers on the Tactical Sports is amazing! Gun is very heavy and recoil control is super easy. You can’t go wrong with that pistol as long as it meets what you’re looking for in a competition pistol.
@@SmallArmsFirearms Some good info. Thanks a lot. Looking forward to more videos from you.
@@nicepojos8766 thank you
Bul, best.
I am waiting on my masterpiece arms ds9 hybrid build.I looked at the bul armory, i just don't know if i would get good customer support or not. The ds9 is a really good 2011from what i have heard, but i haven't shot one yet.
I really want to get a chance to test masterpiece’s products and compare them to BUL. I feel like they might be a great comparison for the price.
@SmallArmsFirearms My Mpa ds9 cost $3400 which is still quite a bit more than the bul.Bul looks great but something is telling me the mpa will outshoot it. Won't know until i get it.
@@timothygarrity5181 the painful waiting period. Good luck my friend
For 6k it should include a choice optic plate and 4 mags (atlas reference)
They do now let you pick one optic plate for the $5900 and come with 3 mags for any purchased after 1/1/2024.
I got mine a year ago.
Living in south east asia, we had a slide from an Alien break because it cant take a NATO 124g ammo.
Well I wouldn’t have expected that. Good to know
Any reason staccato wasn’t on the list?
Why would it be?
That’s what I was wondering as well.
Good video, im too broke for it tho😂
Me too
I’m in California so my Mag capacity is as many push-ups as I can do too..😅 and my arms are small too, that’s why I can only do 10 push-ups…
When the guns you're testing are worth more than my entire house, car, personal gun collection and custom pool cues.😳😥😢😭😂😆🤣
Lol not quite, but Steve does have one hell of a collection
When you can afford an entire house, car, a personal gun collection AND custom pool cues. 😳😥☹️😮
You're telling me. I live in a dumpster.
Bro I just bought a cz shadow 2 compact with the lok grips and I have to say my Mr920 with the ramjet afterburner is by far the most accurate and the one I can shoot the fastest . No matter how many new high end guns I shoot …. I can’t seem to find one that outruns the mr920 elite lol
Yeah, none of these had a comp on them or porting, that can make a massive difference.
But I bet that single action on the shadow feels real good.
Thanks for watching!
I love our Atlas, but our Nighthawk Shadowhawk is just as good, and so isn’t our SVI Infinity (mags are $150 by the way, I have 10 and just refreshed springs and followers). Best Regards
nice comparison, but no stoccato available?
Platypus vs shadow 2? 😊
I like both for sure, but I found my shadow 2 used for a great deal and I think they both perform similar.
Which shot "flatter" as far as recoil and muzzle flip?🤔 I have a TSO and sp-01. The platypus might be next on my list or anshadow 2. Since u shot both, I was hoping you can steer me in the right direction
@@j-kamautomotive1817 It really depends on what you want it for. As far as muzzle flip and recoil... well since I have a thumb rest and the aftermarket palm swell grips on my shadow 2... yeah it shot flatter and I was able to control it better than the platypus. Stock shadow 2, would probably be the exact same compared to the platypus.
If I was building a limited optics gun I'd probably go the 2011 route as the trigger can just be built faster, in my opinion at least. I also love the grip angle and ergo's of 1911/2011. Don't get me wrong, CZ ergo's are amazing too, I just shoot the 1911/2011 ergo better.
You already have a TSO, getting a shadow 2 isn't going to be a "better" pistol. The TSO is amazing, but if you want to build a carry optics competition gun you can't use a 2011. If this is just for fun or range toy, I would say add the 2011 to your collection.
Home defense, I would say stick with CZ because that's the battery of arms that you know with your current line up. Unless you have decent experience with 1911/2011's then flip a coin hah.
Hope that info helps
Atlas poops all over CZs and Stacattos
In terms of being a semi custom fit gun for sure.
I’ve only shit a stacatto once and it shot just fine, but for the price I’d rather have my shadow 2.
I love love love my atlas, but again, it cost me 5x more than my shadow 2 and the shadow 2 runs fast, super reliable, and almost returns to zero as fast.
The alien gun is not unique or one of a kind the desert eagle operates the same way and is way older
I didn’t know that. Thanks for the heads up
I have never in my life seen any competition shooter use the grip pictured around timecode 6:30. Wacky!
He likes to grab onto the front of the trigger guard. I’ve seen people do it before but it’s not my favorite.
But if you find something that works for you who am I to judge.
@@SmallArmsFirearms I have seen people grip over the trigger guard, but that's not what is happening in that shot. His finger is extended through the entire shot. I agree with the overall idea of "if it works for you, go for it", but when you find yourself doing something different compared to everyone else in a highly competitive sport, it's highly unlikely to be a case of you having discovered a better way.
@@LeelandOC I happen to agree with you on that 100%
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laugo shoots harsh
@@rikt1541 it’s really fast and I think if I had a decent amount of time learning the trigger, it could be a crazy fast gun.
I am confused you speak of high-end comparisons, However, there is no Staccato XC or Wilson Combat TLR. How can you begin to talk high-end comparison and not have even a mention of these Guns? I am not just speaking of the price. Many shooters complain about the Alien overheating due to the barrel sitting on the frame. The CZ Shadow 2 is Mid-tier at best and the 2311 and platypus are boutique right now at best. I like your delivery of the review.
Thank you for the feedback.
I would have loved to put an XC or Wilson in the group. None of us own one and that’s literally the only reason they weren’t included.
At this point I don’t have the budget to buy more high end like this but would gladly test others when they become available.
Just two days ago I shot a surprise video with a range friend that I’m editing up now which is another custom high end gun.
As far as the CZ, I will have to disagree with you. Just because the price is “low” doesn’t mean it’s not a high end firearm. I mean there’s a reason most high level carry optics shooters all use Shadow 2’s. They are amazing for the price.
No way. No way this trigger is "bad" on the Alien. I own this, Atlas, Staccato XL, WC experior, Shadow 2 Orange, and several other high end pistols. Only the Atlas is close or possibly better. The reset is shorter and stock I get sub 2 llb pulls constantly.
I appreciate the input and your trigger might be better.
We had 5 different shooters on all of these pistols. 3 of us have competed for years and shot dozens of different pistols for competition.
All of our feedback on the alien was that the trigger finished in last place. Again, yours from the factory, or had work done, might be much better. I cannot comment on that but from our factory sample size of one, we stand by our assessment.
the platypus is 2k...you can find prodigys for 1100...and you dont have to wait 18 weeks..
Platypus starts at $1400 on the site but yes, the wait times is what deters some.
But sometimes you can find them ready to ship in a preconfigured setup also.
My thing is after shooting both it’s worth it to wait for the platypus.
Good stuff. I’m in for a sub
Proud to say I’m getting in on the ground floor of this channel before it gets big. Does this mean I’m an initial investor? Entitled to 5% of the channel and future payouts 😝. Just kidding… kinda
It’s a deal! Hah
❤❤Nine almost 10 minutes in and still talking ,yeah pretty boring ,most reviewers at least have the item they are reviewing in hand ,this review aint really a review
I appreciate the feedback and unfortunately I don’t own most of the items so I tried to fill space with B-roll and the high speed footage.
I also attempted to explain in the beginning that these are more first impressions as I don’t own them and have as much time on all of them compared to my Atlas and my CZ
It’s a video presentation and pistol comparison which requires talking. It’s not an action flick.
Report the facts.
Don't say " it has a bad trigger" or.....
Just statr trigger pull measurements, reset distance, full trigger travel distance.. facts, no whining, no opinions . Let the consumers decide. You have small soft hands, shooter #2 has large callused long fingers. That pistol feels great to them. Let the client decide.
Sorry, I had to bail out @ 14:00 The whining was overwhelming.👎
Well I appreciate the feedback and I can assure you I was not whining instead giving my opinion which I reiterated multiple times. Not sure why it felt like whining but it was more of a disappointment for how much the pistol costs.
I also did say that this is my feedback and I was guessing as I currently don’t have a trigger pull gauge.
I disagree with the small hands as I wear L to XL size gloves. As far as soft? Lol not sure on that one. I prefer palm swell grips and the most aggressive textures I can get.
I think if you made it past the alien you might have understood but I really do appreciate the feedback on the facts part and I do agree. I wish I could have given better facts with some and had more time with them.
Hmm... the action us quicker on the atlas because the barrel is 4.6" vs 5" for the bul.. apples n oranges