I think you’d be well served to already create a shimming guide for this lens specifically. If done well I’d see it as a go to resource for those who purchase or rent this lens. In addition to it being a gateway into the wider world of CVP for those who weren’t aware of you before. I particularly liked the succinct explanation and demonstration of how to deal with an unexpected error when switching mounts.
Noted, will try make it lens agnostic so people can take the principles and apply it to any lens/camera that can be shimmed! Thanks for the feedback and watching, Jake
2 года назад+1
@@CVPTV Most of us coming here for a budget cine option will have noticed the monstrous amounts of CA at 6:54 and so on and then discounted this lens. However, looking at this video: ruclips.net/video/INWCRBIKZSU/видео.html I don't see the same issue, nor is it present in the ND-free chart tests in this video, which leads me to think that the Revoring ND used could be responsible. If so it would be great if you guys could make some creative tests without this ND, just to be sure.
Let us know what you think of the Catta Zooms in the comments. DZOFILM have confirmed that PL & EF versions of the CATTA will be coming in 2022, wish they had told us this before producing the vid. I also should have focused more on the chromatic aberration in the creative examples. For some reason our Resolve didn't force to the highest debayer on the render so some of the fringing that is present in the rendered footage is gone when using full res premium. Jake
Could it be the ND you used? The lenses are perfect for what I need, but the CA in those creative examples really makes me wonder... Really good video mate
Even though it's kind of an awkward focal range and the chromatic abberations are a bit too heavy for my taste, I do like the Catta. There aren't a lot of options in terms of full-frame zooms (yet), and if a quicker workflow is more important than an absolute high-end image, this seems like a promising choice.
The shots at 6:54 with the electric lines in the sky and the harsh CA at the face at 7:16 broke the deal for me. Had to look twice to make sure it was no weird color grading but poor lens performance. Not the lens I would pair a 25k raptor with
2 года назад
@@philippscheithauer Yeah that shot at 6:54 was the real eye opener. If it IS as someone has suggested, possible an artefact of a variable ND then it'd be worth knowing, as this is a product-breaking issue if not.
Agreed with the other comments, a shim tutorial would be helpful. The concept is a little daunting for me, and is one of the main reasons I've shied away from DZO Films Pictor lenses and opted to go for the slightly more expensive but ready-to-go-out-the-box Tokina ATX zooms.
If anyone needs to know - shimming for FF Catta Ace Zoom for canon EF for 70-135 is .62. Shimming for 35-80 is .69 (NICE). Done with the canon c70 with RF to EF adapter.
I agree with @Brad Fogle. You already do a fantastic job with your content, reviews, and instructional videos; it would be a shame not to have something like that in your catalog. I believe shining a cinema lens is a daunting task for most people who are new to the cinema lens world, and this would be an invaluable tool/resource for them. Thank you for your efforts and attention to detail.
@@CVPTV I watched a few other examples. Especially on DZOFILMs "Into You" I don't see nearly as mach CA... Are you sure you debayered the red footage at highest quality? I used to have issues with fringing and CA when exporting red footage and that was often the problem.
@@CVPTV not meant as a critique but just to make sure... the look is so drastically different in those scenes. I will test the lens for myself anyway at one point.
It’s a very cool set of lenses, it’s just a little disappointing considering how deep into the lens the rear elements are in the model pictured, that they didn’t build the mount so it could fit EF and LPL.
As appreciative as I am of companies producing quality "affordable" cine-zooms, it's still irritating nobody makes them in a range thats worth the investment. It's still better to rent an Angie 10-1 or a Cooke than own a 35-85. The OOOM 25-100 was close to the ideal zoom range of 20-100 but no cigar. And I do want those ideal cuban cigars.
Great video as always! I'm curious, what is your opinion on the overall look and image from the Catta Zooms vs the Pictor Zooms. I was pretty set on the Pictor zooms for my Komodo but the 35-80 focal range of the Catta seems a bit more useful to me.
We own these and have found an issue - the mount is not very strong. The E-mount attachment actually came off while removing the lens from the camera and couldn't be easily replaced because of the threading which shifted and the tricky locking system. Not ideal. The plastic holder around the mount also doesn't look too durable. Image quality is great but the implementation of the mount needs work. I can't see how this is going to last with multiple shoots. #DZO please provide a better solution.
One question i haven't seen anyone talking about yet, is how does the build quality feel with the lightweight polycarb body? Is it much of a downgrade from a full metal lens barrel like on the pictors? Or does it seem sturdy enough to not make a difference? Espescially in a high use rental environment.
Thanks , seems promising. It’s a shame that the majority of performance concerns start fro 50mm on wards only giving peak performance 35-50mm… for reliability on a varied shotlist. Not to inspiring for postproduction fixes…
This is an excellent and comprehensive review, thank you. Please do one on that Chiopt Extremer lens (omg that name tho...), would really like to see that one in depth, and also to see it compared with this and other FF options. Thanks!
Great, another set of amazing lenses we have to buy haha we have the set of Pictor Zooms and we're in love with them. Really high quality, top notch stuff for the price. This looks even better.
Will the PL/EF Mount version next year just be another added mount? So if I purchased the new full frame zooms I just have to purchase the mount next year?
DZO didn't tell us that they are planning on bringing out a PL / EF version!! So its news to us that they are! Given the flange difference between the mounts available and that of PL and EF I would be intrigued how they are going to achieve this. Jake
Is the Catta zoom sharper than the pictor zoom? Watching videos on youtube gives this impression. Perhaps an unfair compare but the dzo vespid primes looks quite alot sharper in the online videos I seen. Hower I like the 20-55 range in the pictor line. But it looks to be boarderline to soft.
I have canon R5C with RF mount. Which version of catta zoom I should buy? I do not see any RF mount on adorama or bh. Does this come with RF mount in the box?
there's way to much CA for my taste, but I guess you get what you paid for. I'm waiting for your review on the CHIOPT Extremer 28-85 which seems more interesting.
Thank you for the nice Video! We´re actually thinking about buying those and the video is very helpfull. I´m definitely interessted in a shiming video and would be happy if you could share some insights about it. (I was used to get cine lenses from the rentals, so thatswhy I´ve never did it myself yet...)
I really enjoy CVP's reviews! We have an eye on this lens for our production company. However, one aspect is bothering us: the plug-in filter system seems to be a great feature but it also is a weak spot because over time, dust will enter the lens and accumulate inside this narrow slit. Which we presume will be a pain to remove ... Any thoughts one this?
Hey Steve, DZO now make the CATTA and the CATTA ACE. They are the same optically but the ACE is PL or EF, built much better and doesn’t have filter slot! I would suggest checking the ACE instead but it is a touch more expensive. Thanks for watching, Jake
@@CVPTV Thanks Jake for this info! This is a great suggestion for the future when we buy a different set of cameras. Unfortunately the ACE does not include L-Mount and at the moment we shoot on our S1H's. We could adapt but we prefer not to. Looking forward to more lens reviews!
Yeah that’s fair enough! From what I remember with the filter tray it does feel quite tight, so I’m sure it wont get to dirty and it would also be quite easy to clean! Jake
@@CVPTV We found out, that the "filter area" simply is the rear part of the lens. So it is easily accessible. But now we are more worried about the sensor as any dirt entering the slot can reach it. We really don't like cleaning sensors :) Thanks for your insight!
I'm a little confused. As said in this video, this lens suits the Red V-Raptor very well, but if I'm correctly the image circle of the Catta Zoom is 43.5mm while the sensor of the V-Raptor has a diagonal of 46.31mm so I am expecting a vignette? As I understand DZOFilm has this in check with their Catta ACE which has an image circle of 46.5mm but that ons doesn't come with an RF or E mount, only with PL or EF mount so an adapter would be required. Would you recommend the Catta zoom or Catta ACE for the red V-raptor? Thanks in advance!
Hey Pieterjan, they both cover V-RAPTOR well. We actually show how it covers full 8K on the V-RAPTOR at 6:10. The ACE's are built better than the regular CATTA, PL is more versatile if you want to put it onto other cameras but RF native will reduce the chances of running into the sensor split issue. Are you planning on using the lens on any other cameras other than RF mount ones? Jake
@@CVPTVthanks for reaching out! At the moment I would solely use it for my raptor. I might add the komodo to my setup down the line but I have no other canon RF cameras (I do own a sony FX6 too).
@@CVPTV must be my end device then. It's not something I ever noticed before. While the lens is not something I see myself ever buying. I hope you get to check out more LAOWA lenses once they finally launch (the few that were teases in May). Your content is exceptional and it's the reviews I trust the most. Sadly nobody covers photography lenses in such a way.
The unit we have is a pre-production unit, need to clarify with them whether or not its a unit they are happy with performance wise before reviewing. Jake
@@CVPTV I operate a small rental house and a PL mount would've allowed the investment to go further i.e. I won't need to also invest in their Pictor Zooms. I've already started with their Vespids. I understand the size/weight benefits that we get from the shorter flange distance albeit I imagine we won't see those benefits as much on the tele zoom.
@@CVPTV Slightly tongue in cheek. It was up before any announcement on the DZO website (still not there actually) and before you'd put the lenses up on your own.
I think you’d be well served to already create a shimming guide for this lens specifically. If done well I’d see it as a go to resource for those who purchase or rent this lens. In addition to it being a gateway into the wider world of CVP for those who weren’t aware of you before. I particularly liked the succinct explanation and demonstration of how to deal with an unexpected error when switching mounts.
Noted, will try make it lens agnostic so people can take the principles and apply it to any lens/camera that can be shimmed! Thanks for the feedback and watching, Jake
@@CVPTV Most of us coming here for a budget cine option will have noticed the monstrous amounts of CA at 6:54 and so on and then discounted this lens. However, looking at this video: ruclips.net/video/INWCRBIKZSU/видео.html I don't see the same issue, nor is it present in the ND-free chart tests in this video, which leads me to think that the Revoring ND used could be responsible. If so it would be great if you guys could make some creative tests without this ND, just to be sure.
Let us know what you think of the Catta Zooms in the comments.
DZOFILM have confirmed that PL & EF versions of the CATTA will be coming in 2022, wish they had told us this before producing the vid.
I also should have focused more on the chromatic aberration in the creative examples. For some reason our Resolve didn't force to the highest debayer on the render so some of the fringing that is present in the rendered footage is gone when using full res premium. Jake
Is it the color grade or does the lens really have so much abberation? it looks like theres green fringing on all the edges...
Could it be the ND you used? The lenses are perfect for what I need, but the CA in those creative examples really makes me wonder... Really good video mate
Oh amazing, that I had not heard and this is great news especially if it still has the interchangeable mount!
Even though it's kind of an awkward focal range and the chromatic abberations are a bit too heavy for my taste, I do like the Catta. There aren't a lot of options in terms of full-frame zooms (yet), and if a quicker workflow is more important than an absolute high-end image, this seems like a promising choice.
Agreed. It's always nice to have options but the color fringing, even in central areas of the image, is pretty hardcore. Bummer. Not a lens for me...
Not sure why they shot though a cheap variable ND. Not sure if that CA was from the Lens or the ND.
yeah, the colour-fringing/CA was neon green in those outdoor shots, really distracting and enough to take this lens off my list, pretty sad really.
The shots at 6:54 with the electric lines in the sky and the harsh CA at the face at 7:16 broke the deal for me. Had to look twice to make sure it was no weird color grading but poor lens performance. Not the lens I would pair a 25k raptor with
@@philippscheithauer Yeah that shot at 6:54 was the real eye opener. If it IS as someone has suggested, possible an artefact of a variable ND then it'd be worth knowing, as this is a product-breaking issue if not.
Would love to see a comparison video of the Catta zoom against some of the higher end full frame zooms.
Really love CVP's content, very succinct and well put together narration along with beautiful footage. Well done guys!
Agreed with the other comments, a shim tutorial would be helpful. The concept is a little daunting for me, and is one of the main reasons I've shied away from DZO Films Pictor lenses and opted to go for the slightly more expensive but ready-to-go-out-the-box Tokina ATX zooms.
If anyone needs to know - shimming for FF Catta Ace Zoom for canon EF for 70-135 is .62. Shimming for 35-80 is .69 (NICE). Done with the canon c70 with RF to EF adapter.
Hey I'm pretty late here but I just wanted to confirm. So I'd be able to convert the E mount catta to EF or PL then? Thanks!
As usual, outstanding work.
I would love to see a comparison of full frame zooms! Another great video. Thank you
I would love to see the lens on a Sony FX9 or FX6 - cheers.
@@twelvetwelve1001 those videos are TERRIBLE unfortunately..
@@twelvetwelve1001 the colour of the lenses is gross?
I agree with @Brad Fogle. You already do a fantastic job with your content, reviews, and instructional videos; it would be a shame not to have something like that in your catalog. I believe shining a cinema lens is a daunting task for most people who are new to the cinema lens world, and this would be an invaluable tool/resource for them. Thank you for your efforts and attention to detail.
It's not the chromatic aberrations that make a lens bad, but this shifts the whole out of focus parts of the image to green, which is sad.
really interesting!! But quite a lot of ca in very contrasty areas between branches and sky for example..?
Definitely, the grade we did on the creative really brought this out. Jake
@@CVPTV I watched a few other examples. Especially on DZOFILMs "Into You" I don't see nearly as mach CA... Are you sure you debayered the red footage at highest quality? I used to have issues with fringing and CA when exporting red footage and that was often the problem.
@@CVPTV not meant as a critique but just to make sure... the look is so drastically different in those scenes. I will test the lens for myself anyway at one point.
They also were shooting through a cheap variable ND. :/
It’s a very cool set of lenses, it’s just a little disappointing considering how deep into the lens the rear elements are in the model pictured, that they didn’t build the mount so it could fit EF and LPL.
They are bring out EF & PL versions now apparently! Jake
@@CVPTV Hello ! Thank you for all your work. Any news about those EF & PL versions ?! I would like to set a Z Cam E2F6 with this zoom.
Would love to see a shoot out between this and other cine zooms, in particular the Angenieux EZ-1.
To me i like the extra range of the Loawa
Finally! I've been waiting for these.
Beautiful I was waiting this.
As appreciative as I am of companies producing quality "affordable" cine-zooms, it's still irritating nobody makes them in a range thats worth the investment. It's still better to rent an Angie 10-1 or a Cooke than own a 35-85. The OOOM 25-100 was close to the ideal zoom range of 20-100 but no cigar. And I do want those ideal cuban cigars.
CN7 and Fujinon 19-90 are close to what you are asking for, unless you want full frame coverage. Jake
There is surpising amount of CA in the outdoor shots. I'm wondering if this is the case with Catta Ace Zoom as well.
It seems like the mirrorless mount lenses only come in Sony E and you have to buy the RF mount separate. That’s a bit annoying.
Great video as always! I'm curious, what is your opinion on the overall look and image from the Catta Zooms vs the Pictor Zooms. I was pretty set on the Pictor zooms for my Komodo but the 35-80 focal range of the Catta seems a bit more useful to me.
We own these and have found an issue - the mount is not very strong. The E-mount attachment actually came off while removing the lens from the camera and couldn't be easily replaced because of the threading which shifted and the tricky locking system. Not ideal. The plastic holder around the mount also doesn't look too durable. Image quality is great but the implementation of the mount needs work. I can't see how this is going to last with multiple shoots. #DZO please provide a better solution.
One question i haven't seen anyone talking about yet, is how does the build quality feel with the lightweight polycarb body? Is it much of a downgrade from a full metal lens barrel like on the pictors? Or does it seem sturdy enough to not make a difference? Espescially in a high use rental environment.
Yes, shimming guide tutorial please!!! also comparative zooms video would be great. CVP is great resource, kudos
Is it just me or is there a considerable amount of green abberation?
I feel like this is more to do with grade, output and compression. Something a little off overall.
The grade defo makes it more prominent. But it does clearly have some fringing on a few high construct shots.
Chromatic aberration is really rough on these. Anything in the background against the blown out sky has a green aura around it that I can't ignore.
Thanks , seems promising. It’s a shame that the majority of performance concerns start fro 50mm on wards only giving peak performance 35-50mm… for reliability on a varied shotlist. Not to inspiring for postproduction fixes…
Looks like ya got some chromatic in that aberration. Thanks for this!! Holding on to my studio's money!
This is an excellent and comprehensive review, thank you. Please do one on that Chiopt Extremer lens (omg that name tho...), would really like to see that one in depth, and also to see it compared with this and other FF options. Thanks!
Great, another set of amazing lenses we have to buy haha we have the set of Pictor Zooms and we're in love with them. Really high quality, top notch stuff for the price. This looks even better.
Really like a close up review on the DZOFilm Linglung zooms.
I’m so bummed the pl mount ones don’t come in white
Will the PL/EF Mount version next year just be another added mount? So if I purchased the new full frame zooms I just have to purchase the mount next year?
DZO didn't tell us that they are planning on bringing out a PL / EF version!! So its news to us that they are! Given the flange difference between the mounts available and that of PL and EF I would be intrigued how they are going to achieve this. Jake
Is the Catta zoom sharper than the pictor zoom? Watching videos on youtube gives this impression. Perhaps an unfair compare but the dzo vespid primes looks quite alot sharper in the online videos I seen. Hower I like the 20-55 range in the pictor line. But it looks to be boarderline to soft.
THIS versus OOOM! Please!
I have canon R5C with RF mount. Which version of catta zoom I should buy? I do not see any RF mount on adorama or bh. Does this come with RF mount in the box?
Definitely would like a shimming tutorial!
That chromatic abberation is HUGE
Looking forward to the chipot full frame cine zoom I think it will work well with my c500 mark ii. When can we expect a review?
there's way to much CA for my taste, but I guess you get what you paid for. I'm waiting for your review on the CHIOPT Extremer 28-85 which seems more interesting.
Getting r3 soon. would still get the white. Nice review as per usual
Thank you so much brother! This was helpful review! Any other zoom lenses out there for V raptor? Thanks.
which DZO zoom would be best for komodo? Pictor, catta zoom, or catta ace?
none
7:53 ouch! That chromatic aberration on the branches. 😬
Thank you for the nice Video! We´re actually thinking about buying those and the video is very helpfull. I´m definitely interessted in a shiming video and would be happy if you could share some insights about it. (I was used to get cine lenses from the rentals, so thatswhy I´ve never did it myself yet...)
We've actually already released one! ruclips.net/video/7XvdMCuhEEg/видео.html Hope it helps. Jake
Is the alleged PL/EF mount just the Catta Aces?
Yes, Jake
that was faaast! nice
I really enjoy CVP's reviews! We have an eye on this lens for our production company. However, one aspect is bothering us: the plug-in filter system seems to be a great feature but it also is a weak spot because over time, dust will enter the lens and accumulate inside this narrow slit. Which we presume will be a pain to remove ... Any thoughts one this?
Hey Steve, DZO now make the CATTA and the CATTA ACE. They are the same optically but the ACE is PL or EF, built much better and doesn’t have filter slot! I would suggest checking the ACE instead but it is a touch more expensive. Thanks for watching, Jake
@@CVPTV Thanks Jake for this info! This is a great suggestion for the future when we buy a different set of cameras. Unfortunately the ACE does not include L-Mount and at the moment we shoot on our S1H's. We could adapt but we prefer not to. Looking forward to more lens reviews!
Yeah that’s fair enough! From what I remember with the filter tray it does feel quite tight, so I’m sure it wont get to dirty and it would also be quite easy to clean! Jake
@@CVPTV We found out, that the "filter area" simply is the rear part of the lens. So it is easily accessible. But now we are more worried about the sensor as any dirt entering the slot can reach it. We really don't like cleaning sensors :) Thanks for your insight!
Beginner question here, does this lens work with the autofocus functions on the Sony A7iii?
No. There is no motor in this lens
What adapter did you use? Isn't that a Sony E mount to RED Raptor RF mount?
No the lens is RF mount. You can get it in a range of mirrorless mounts. Jake
I'm a little confused. As said in this video, this lens suits the Red V-Raptor very well, but if I'm correctly the image circle of the Catta Zoom is 43.5mm while the sensor of the V-Raptor has a diagonal of 46.31mm so I am expecting a vignette? As I understand DZOFilm has this in check with their Catta ACE which has an image circle of 46.5mm but that ons doesn't come with an RF or E mount, only with PL or EF mount so an adapter would be required. Would you recommend the Catta zoom or Catta ACE for the red V-raptor? Thanks in advance!
Hey Pieterjan, they both cover V-RAPTOR well. We actually show how it covers full 8K on the V-RAPTOR at 6:10. The ACE's are built better than the regular CATTA, PL is more versatile if you want to put it onto other cameras but RF native will reduce the chances of running into the sensor split issue. Are you planning on using the lens on any other cameras other than RF mount ones? Jake
@@CVPTVthanks for reaching out! At the moment I would solely use it for my raptor. I might add the komodo to my setup down the line but I have no other canon RF cameras (I do own a sony FX6 too).
Anyone know what the music was during the intro?
www.epidemicsound.com/track/Q4eDIR0XCB/
Did you export and upload at the wrong resolution/aspect ratio?
There are black bars at the top and bottom.
Nope, video is an intended 17:9 aspect ratio. Jake
@@CVPTV must be my end device then. It's not something I ever noticed before.
While the lens is not something I see myself ever buying. I hope you get to check out more LAOWA lenses once they finally launch (the few that were teases in May). Your content is exceptional and it's the reviews I trust the most. Sadly nobody covers photography lenses in such a way.
When will the review of the Chiopt be out?
The unit we have is a pre-production unit, need to clarify with them whether or not its a unit they are happy with performance wise before reviewing. Jake
@@CVPTV Ok, thanks. Worried about what that could mean...
@@trondhines4413 Don't be worried. I can't give you any feedback currently so take that response as a neutral one.
@@CVPTV Thanks. Really looking forward to a good affordable FF cine zoom for PL or EF.
@@trondhines4413 this will apparently be available in pl and ef in 2022!!
amazing video
Should have been on the wider end like 24-70
so cool to see willem dafoe's son is into cine
i really want a guide trought cine lens pls
What do you mean sorry?
this is the combo they should have used to shoot upcoming Obi Wan Kenobi.
Is there a way to adapt this lenses to PL?
No, but they now have a DZOFilm Catta Ace which is natively a PL mount.
WTF is COUNTER clockwise?
No PL mount :'(
Out of interest what PL camera would you want to put these on?
@@CVPTV I operate a small rental house and a PL mount would've allowed the investment to go further i.e. I won't need to also invest in their Pictor Zooms. I've already started with their Vespids.
I understand the size/weight benefits that we get from the shorter flange distance albeit I imagine we won't see those benefits as much on the tele zoom.
@@CVPTV aren’t they making a PL mount for black version?
@@BlaineWestropp1 Next year as far as I know...
They are, they just didn’t tell us until I saw it on a Facebook group earlier after release. I am intrigued to see how they handle it! Jake
It's like a rare object in the instrateller movie......
V raptor review
The bokeh and flares kind of suck on these. But it is an inexpensive cinema zoom so that's cool.
Does it work with LPL?
No it does not, Jake
Price?
cvp.com/catalogue/tag/dzocatta?aff_id=124
Please make shims video
No PL??? Fail.
Apparently PL is coming in 2022!! Jake
Shimming guide +1
Damn, fringing is pretty bad on this one
dzo is just not worth the investment for me.
pretty lens, terrible name...
That looks bloody awful
Whoa, that's… EARLY?
What’s early?
@@CVPTV Slightly tongue in cheek. It was up before any announcement on the DZO website (still not there actually) and before you'd put the lenses up on your own.
Ahh right, they told us a 9am GMT embargo so that’s when we released it!
@@CVPTV At least you can scream "First!" instead of some random poster. Great review btw. And the pricing for the set is killer.
@@CVPTV I really appreciate that I woke up, got the email from Duclos, and there’s already a CVP video to tell me everything I need to know