ESEE vs ESEE: Stainless S35VN or 1095? Edge Retention
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
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Bro we haven't seen bricky in so long. Is he ok
@DTL :(
He's probably stoned, and can't move freely
@Patrick Henry I asked Joe about this. He doesn't remember any of this, and said he tripped and fell on the stairs
I like to think of 1095 vs S35VN as a silverado vs camaro (or charger vs ram/mustang bs f150). You can use a truck as adaily driver but it shines off road. You can take a muscle car down to the docks but it shines in the city. 1095 is gonna perform better as a camp knife but S35VN is going to perform better as an EDC
that is a very palatable analogy, i dig it
Yes! I said this on your last video comparison. The idea of comparing the base version and the high end version is so good! Keep this up please, great content👍
What made this most interesting for me was that this is not just testing steels against each other. Since both knives are Esee, it seems to also eliminate any variance in heat treatment, which arguably is the most deterministic thing you can do to change the properties of steel. It's a huge assumption though. Very few companies speak to their secret "heat treatment sauce" that makes their knives superior. It's not exciting, but it is absolutely critical. This is the first test that I consider reliable that tells me how much better S35VN is than 1095 for normal edge retention.
Lenny: "Geez Homer, I thought someone with 2 wives would be happy"
Karl: "No, you're thinking about someone with 2 *knives*"
Pete @8:48 (standing in for Moe): "I gotta tell this is pretty terrific hahaha yeah!"
3 minutes in and 10 bucks says the Esee wins.
@Brian J Agreed. I was almost convinced the other would be the winner, but then...
I just bought a ESEE 4 with the S35vn steel because I care about my knife being able to slice instead of prying. Really like the new contoured g10 grips.
Same here and I agree with your comments. Just ordered the ESEE 3 in S35VN
Me too. I bought an ESEE Ashley Game Knife with S35VN steel with a G10 orange and black handles. Its also a perfect sized fixed blade for my medium sized female hands. The ESEE is too large and heavy for me.
If you bought an esee 4 then you clearly don't care about slicing ability regardless of what steel the knife is made from
oh 100% you're gay, of course you need two of the same knife! i'm a lesbian and that's why i have 20, knife count = gayness level
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@@gw9189 ...Alison
@@gw9189 you know that's not how lesbians actually do anything, right?
@@AlterMacGyver that's how they done it on South Park
I want to see the trash can toss test. You can also do some real stupid stuff, take dickhead survival to the extreme, and esee will warranty them nqa if you manage to bust them. I heard they dont like s35 because its not as tough for prying and shock absorption, but will still cover them. Interested to see how many trash bins each knife could take.
In terms of sharpening, what was the difference in ease to get it to that mirrored edge between the two?
Ik im not him, but in my experience stainless is harder to sharpen than something high carbon
1095 much easier to sharpen and polishes well. Prone to corrosion though
"I gotta tell ya, this is pretty terrific" - Moe Szyslak
You beat me to it!
2 wives?! I thought you said 2 knives!
I’ll thumbs up anything to do with Moe Szyslak. I’ll never forget him and crew stealing a killer whale, too funny!!!
I've long been a fan of the esee 1095, but now.. I'm thinking it's time for an upgrade. Thank you for the effort, time, and excellent review/comparison.
I lean toward the stainless in my EDC knives too, so I'm really glad they finally put an Izula out in S35VN. For bushcrafty stuff, ESEE themselves recommend 1095 because of the resistance to breaking, not that I'd know much about it. I think they've broken a few of their own knives on their YT channel just to prove the point.
@@cloudcleaver23 not to forget the ease of sharpening in the field
Want an overall upgrade to 1095 while not being too expensive ? Try 52100. More wear resistance, tougher, can still be differentially heat treated.
@@cloudcleaver23 they didn't break them to prove their point. They broke when they tested them vs the 1095 and were like " well you guys want this so just so you know this is What happened during our tests"
@@jhtsurvival does that not prove the point that 1095 is a tougher steel?
what did you mean when you said "gets my steel hard". What hardening process do you use or recommend
If you have to ask…
Viagra
Go to alpha knife supply and read their 1095 steel page. That is a gold mine
Just need a presence of a pretty woman.
Work hardening
Why do they waste so much blade with that ridiculous ricasso area? Makes it completely uninteresting to me.
9:30 While we're having a lovely AMSMRRSMRSRMA interlude, I have to say that one would NEVER lose that Orange Esee in the wilds. It's a bright bugger.
I bought a mora in orange for that purpose.
I also got both knives. Is it just me or the stainless seems to be a little bit thicker and taller. How much tougher is 1095 compared to the s35vn in your opinion?
Thanks buddy!! Big fan of your videos, keep the good work.
ill try and test that as best i can
There is a good video out there of some of the ESEE guys that run one of the survival schools testing these. They snapped the s35vn, but not the 1095. I need edge retention more than toughness so I am leaning towards the s35vn myself.
@@CedricAda that would be cool !
Jesus 1095 is THE WORST with corrosion resistance. I just bought one! The dude who broke that S35VN said he would still go with 1095
@@LXT43 maybe I should get a BK16. Horice Kepart style
FMD, that packaging is basically identical to the EKA RTG-1 that EKA has Rowen make for them.
Never knew that with Rowen making the EKA, that it would come down to the same packaging too ;-}
Pete, not too long ago we saw you move your knife lab down into a new blade bunker. Your first couple vids from the blade bunker showed you dehumidifying and ventalating the new blade bunker. Since then, most of your vids have been either outside or in one of your sheds. What happened to the bunker? Did Bricky throw you out?
Thanks for the informative videos. I look forward to your full reviews on those two knives.
I have an esee 4 1095 after using it in the woods I wish I would have got a 6
Thanks for still going strong after all these years... I along with thousands of other people really appreciate your test
If ESEE gets into 3V and Cruwear its going to cost me $$$.
I wish they had S35VN in those flashy colours.....
The carbon steel touches up easier and faster with a rock from the creek if need be. Can strike sparks off the spine of need be. I’m old school and still prefer 1095 for those reasons. Still carry my old timer 1095 carbon. Takes a wicked keen edge with little effort
Love your videos! They always standout amongst the table top reviewers that sit there and fidget with their knives and describe how it "feels" in the hand.
Why do you put knives in glasses of water/something ?
You would have known the VN one if you sniffed it like the 1095. VN has a more refined smell.🔪
What a great video. This dude actually works. Not just another desktop review warrior. And it's funny!
Bruh, good reality TV INTRO to video 😅❤❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉😂😊
So basically I have to buy a 4 in s35, 5 in 1095 and 6 in 1095. Great, good luck to my budget this month
180 and 350? Funny it came out to those numbers, a quarter of a circle and if the other knife in s35vn would have cut 10 more cuts? It would have made it a full 360 degree circle.
Watch the video " We BROKE our S35VN ESEE 3! " from ESEE. They say they harden them to 60 HRC. S35VN is really more of a pocket knife steel, isn't it? Seems like a poor choice for a big hard use knife.
That hoodie is all sorts of United Colours of Benetton! And yes, new knives smell steely fresh.
I haven't got this video in 3 years of subscription????😅❤😊
I just woke up
drinking my coffe
its saturday
not paying 100% attention
*that steel gets my steel hard* wtf xD
love your videos mate
Thanks. I would go for the s35vn for the esee 5.. Any comments? Do you like it?
I’m gay for your channel. Thanks
"clearly I am gay".
Yup hoodie makes sense now.
"For steel testing"
Oh.
Confucius says: « If knife holds edge twice as long, it’s twice as hard to sharpen. And a knife, which is hard to sharpen, won’t get sharpened at all ».
I have more than a few knives that hold an edge better than 1095. But if I had to rely on a knife for survival, my Esee 6 1095 is the one I would trust to hold up to any abuse I could heap on it.
PETE: That gets my......STEEL hard. *STARES hard at the camera*
ME: *guffaws uproariously*
ALSO ME: *Puts feet up* This is gonna be GOOD.
Has your wife ever walked up behind you while you were sharpening and mistaked what you were doing 😆
I have the ESEE $ in S35VN it is a great knife the most I have done to it so far is touch up the edge with a ceramic rod and strop it and it is a work beast.
Thank you for that Review, so iwas very intressted on the Essee in Cpm S35vn, but when i saw the Price here in Germany ....very Expensive! So, i searched to other Companies, and i found the Buck Pursuit Pro with this Steel, and its a Price Breaker! But....there is no Review in the wide Internet about this Knife....nothing about the edge retention really nothing. So i ask you, can you test it?
That about sums up how i feel when im holding two nicer knives.
I really wish they made a 4 in 1/8....I like mine but it would be better thin and 1/8 is plenty thick for a 4 inchish blade that wide
which one spreads mayonnaise better?
Aussis spread Vegemite.
Everybody treats s35 too low and make it weak and hold a poor edge.
Sisal blister. We’re not gonna take it
Stainless for me, myriad of reasons why
One being my body chemistry is acidic and tends to rust shit
I prefer the 1095, why ? Easier/Faster to sharpen in field. Eventually they will dull,. when they do ease of sharpening is more important to me.
Review these band boys please. 😬👍🏻
Always a pleasure to watch, I hope things work out with Santa Ernest.
What sharpening system do you use?
1095 with the dual-grit edge would be interesting.
Hey, did you ever get around to these reviews? I'm not seeing them.
I owned a Esee 3 in 1095 several years ago. This thing got dull just from looking at it. After field dressing one deer it was dull as s**t. Blood is pretty corrosive, but even just carving tent pegs or something this knife went from scary sharp to damn dull in an instance.
I have the Esee 4. Same thing, it gets dull in no time. Strange thing for a so called survival knife...
Soft steel can be easily re-sharpened on rocks I don't know if that's what they're going for
Sounds like y’all just got unlucky with the heat treat. Or you’re exaggerating. My Esee 5 gets honed twice a week at most. I’ve sharpened it a handful of times over the past 10 years. For reference, I’m out in the woods for about half of the year for work. So my knives get plenty of use.
Yep. Touching up an edge is no big deal. Having a tough knife that can be resharpened easily might be life or death. If you need an edge holding marvel, maybe add a nice folder in m390 to your kit.
Nice comparison, also is it possible to work Bricky back in at some point? The question for these two knives, choosing one is: are you going to be slicing more or beating on it more?
Great video. Thanks
Pete my boi, you sir are literally my hero lol I swear that anytime I see a knife that peaks my interest and catches my eye I want to go and have a look see how they fair and 9 times out of 10 I check your page and BAMMM there it is and full review with testing showing everything I'd have to look forward too shall I buy it.... good on you mate
You must be a little guy because I swear those look like 6s in your hands. My ESEE 4 is a very tiny fixed blade.
well i’m 6’1 but maybe you’re 6’11 with giant hands man IDK congrats I guess
Pete you have taken knife fetishes to a new level. Any man who smells his new knives is clearly hardcore.
You mean to tell us you *don't* smell your new knives?
In a comparison like this, an assessment of the relative effort required to reset and polish the edges would be informative. Perhaps with diamond hones the difference isn't too great. I expect with stones, the difference in effort could be substantial.
Yes it's significantly different.
S35VN is very easy to sharpen on a $10 aluminum oxide stone. i typically use those on S35VN, but S30V is borderline needing diamond. S35VN= 3% vanadium S30V= 4% vanadium
Wish the candiru came in a better steel for edc
Which one tastes better? (Uncoated 1095)
Ah yes, this is the quality knifesturbation content that I come for….. 😎
Double saber, mate😂❤🎉
Is S35 good for outdoor use? Does it chip?
A coconut, knives, wire, entertainment, survivin', and a cat with no eyes. This channel has it all!
Sounds like a MacGyver episode on how to make a combine harvester!
Sweatshirt is the best thing in this video
An interesting and valuable review. If your 'Bucks' can stand it, could you run a 440C Stainless Steel Esee 4 against these two versions for a fully rounded assessment of the Esse 4 offerings from the first Y.T. user to put them 'head-to-head'?
One who swallows a coconut...
Very large jump in retention from the factory edge. I didn't expect that much improvement. Very nice.
S35vn is a harder steel. So, it'll retain its edge better for a longer time.
S35VN it is....thanks
Still waiting on the review!
Do you use oil when sharpening on the KME?
yes, when im using the films. when im using the stones i just use em dry
Didn't they make in the esee4 in 440c as well?
for a short while I think but they never warranted it. I *think* they warrant the s35vn one to the same level as the 1095 ones
Which is easier to sharpen?
I likey knives. Cutty
Where are the field reviews?
Dangit. Now I have to get the S35vn version!
Aliexpress specials
Excellent!! Sharpening time difference? S35 is easy to sharpen, but the claims for quick filed repair on 1095 persist..
I felt them about the same, but I suspect also the coating on the 1095 one bound up my stones as a mm or so did need to come back
I have an old 3 and 6. I’ve beat the snot out of them and they never fail. Great knives for the money!
Is S35VN model also so thick behind the edge as 1095 version?
neither struck me as particularly thic behind the edge, not more than others of this style
What no food cutting! Damn!
Stop with the fruity comments just show the knives
you do seem more of a vegetable
Time to buy an Esse
Gotta say it. Dope Hoodie
If ESSE was going to go upmarket in steel, there are alternatives that combine edge retention, strength, shock resistance etc. Granted those steel choices would necessitate a higher price point. I do have several folders in S35 and while they do keep and edge well and can be cleaned up easily, I really have not beat on them very hard. Mostly breaking down cardboard boxes and opening packages etc.
S35VN does seem quite inconsistent with their philosophy.
The teddy fresh hoodie is sick.
Nice initial video, I liked the steel comparison. To really compare the advantages and differences with each steel, could you do a cut test initially (or review one) then use both for some hard survival/bushcrafting tasks such as batoning, chopping, and using the tip to dig a divot for a bow drill. Then perform a cut test again, then field sharpen and a final cut test. Maybe you could include this in your well appreciated DH survival series, thanks.
This was a contest?
Aye TF
Excellent video! Thanks for putting it together. I hope you enjoy your knives.
Basically almost all knives should be made with Magnacut now :D S30V, S35VN, S45VN, Cruwear, 4V, Vanax, Elmax, XHP, SPY27 & M4 are now obsolete.
You never fail to entertain. I just found out that Rowen, which manufactures ESEE Knives, is here in Idaho! Buck, ESEE Knives, Tops Knives, Chris Reeve Knives, way to go Idaho!
nice
I like this flow of videos lately, great vibes, for us knife nerds
Excellent vid!
Just about to receive my ESEE-4 S35VN with orange G10. The postie "knocked twice". I have to go to the post office so I can actually get it 4 days later.