Just wanted to post an update: Sean's Moza Air 2 crapped out after a little over a year worth of use, while the Ronin S is still going strong! Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!
Having used both, the Moza wins out for the mounting threads, the integrated tripod, and most importantly, the interface; the ability to change *everything* on the fly without busting out your phone and an app can't be understated enough. Also it can handle more weight, and the price with the follow focus is the same as the Ronin by itself. If you don't like using FF on gimbals (I've always found it kind of weird), it's cheaper. For the lack of horizontal balancing built into the plate (it's on the arm instead on the Moza), I think that's a little strange you guys are harping on it. Neither is better or worse; you just adjust the balance in a different place on each gimbal. Also you guys were putting it under underslung mode kind of strangely - the motor should be behind the camera, not in front, because you'll probably hit your lens that way. Oh and you having difficulty taking out the batteries? That's just embarrassing. Lift them from the side.
I’ve owned both and while I own a bunch of DJI products I actually like the MOZA Air 2 better, if you’re on the fence between the 2 I would definitely test out the MOZA if nothing else because it handles amazingly and gets killer footage.
you shoudl try a lever action arca swiss quick release, if you use the L Brackets, half cages or smallrig cages that have arca it's super convenient and you can also slide it
On the Moza Follow focus motor with the cinema lens, You can remove and flip the clamp so it faces the other direction. That should give you enough clearance.
Thanks for the info! We did figure that out and it does fix that issue, but our cinema glass was too heavy to balance effectively without using counterweights. The little arm you attach to the front of the plate to then attach the rail and follow focus, restricts how far you can slide the plate backwards. And that makes it difficult to balance heavy lenses without the weights.
@@Allpromedia Interesting. I'm trying to use a small anamorphic set up but it is about 5lbs and front heavy. I hope it works. I'm leaning towards the Moza Air 2 because of the apps. Both Moza and DJI have terrible apps that are spotty at best. The Moza seems to be less reliant on the app as you can preform all setting changes without it. Also looks like I can get the Moza for less than the DJI too. Now does the Ronin S Smallrig cheese plate fit the Moza as well? I would be adding a monitor and handle. That one 1/4-20 isn't enough. Thanks guys!
@@Holtenstein, Ok, I just figured out (stupidly because I should have seen this before) that if you raise the plate with a raiser, then you can add any lens because you won't get restricted from the plate movement. Also, we just installed the follow focus motor on the Ronin, and I prefer how they did that compared to the Moza. Question: Are you talking about the repurposed Russian anamorphic lenses from Iron Glass Adapters?
@@Allpromedia No, I have a custom built anamorphic lens. True 2x stretch. I also am using the Tilta Nucleus Nano follow focus that seems much lighter than the Moza version. So it should help it balance. The Camera are GH5s and BlackMagic pocket 4k both Speedboosted. I just hope they work.
On the Moza Air 2. When you want to open the battery compartment you need to squeeze on the grip when to push the button to open. Do that and it will open easy.
For me, I will choose smoothness than features. Ronin S is heavy but it is the best on smoothness and very easy to use. Air 2 has some horizontal issue.
You can also stop / start recording from the crane 2. Can you handle the + - exposure of the ax700 o sony a7iii from the CRANE. MOZA O RONI. Av TV iso etc? . Thank you
Great video! no one seems to be commenting on the use of the DC out on the Moza air 2. Thats a pretty decent advantage if you are using cameras that need that extra battery life. eg early A7's Blackmagic, Xt3 . did you guys have a chance to try that out?
We have not tried it yet, but Sean is going to employ that during his next gig! I personally bought the BMPCC in November (still waiting) and like you wrote, this is applicable to me now!
Thanks for your video guys! Sean, you were too picky on the cons. We want to hear about the performance of the gimbals and actual real cons... not how hard it is for you to take the batteries out. There were a lot of features you both missed to mention. However, still a decent video. Thank you for doing a review.
Thank you! These were the pros and cons for our use. And in all honesty, there aren't many cons for either. I prefer the Ronin S as I do better with it. User preference.
I am about to buy one of these but trying to decide between Moza Air 2 or Ronin S or a Crane in the same price point. The Moza seems to have a lot of amazing features but according to some comments and reviews it has issues and shaky footage when walking/running? Does anyone know more about this or have an opinion. It seems like Ronin S has less features but maybe better footage?
I am having the same problem. When I walk or run i see that my footage is very shaky as if i am not using the gimbal. Also when I cant have a roll axis perfectly balanced properly which is why i sent my moza air 2 to technician after one replacement. This time I am not gonna replace but rather shift to Ronin S. Sadly the sellers in my city Chandigarh India don't what I am talking about.
In terms of smoothness, I wouldn't say there is a winner between these two. They both offer smooth shots, but like Samuel pointed out, it is up to the user.
I had gotten a Ronin s but had to send it back becuase I was getting motor noise issues. They sent me a new one but I had the exact same problem. Does your Ronin S Make any motor noise at all?
I just bought a Moza Air 2 and i'm kinda having difficulty in balancing it. i have seen some reviews that you need to set the Pan Motor into custom and set to zero to have a better and smooth footage.. do you think i should do that or there's problem in my balancing? thanks
How is the war? Moza Air 2 looks like a copy of Ronin S. Both are too heavy. I have my FeiyuTech AK4000 with carbon fiber dual handle and touch screen , works very fine.
Moza definitely took some notes from the Ronin S, but both are great. The Ronin S is heavier, but once you shoot with a gimbal like this, it doesn't take long to build the muscles to acclimate. The Moza and your AK4000 weigh about the same before a camera is mounted. Glad you like it! We watched a few reviews on it and are also impressed. I like the Ronin S the most, personally. Thank you for sharing!
Hey guys I was wondering if you think the moza air 2 would be a good option with BMCC2.5k. I am seriously considering getting it because it’s seems to fit my camera without any modifications. It is also in my budget. I like the fact that it has lighter and a heavier payload than the ronin s? What is your thoughts. Guys I’m also in the Burlington NC area 😎😀
The BMPCC 4K? The Ronin and the Moza Air 2 work well with it, but you need either a cheese plate or cage to offset the mount; otherwise it will not fit on either where the mount is currently.
I am a happy owner of Moza air 2 and I like it so far. It was a little funny to see how you were trying to take out those batteries... actually, it could be done in a second if you used the holes from both sides, that were placed there specifically for this purpose =) p.s. what quick-release clamp do you use on your Moza?
thanks for the video. so what problems did you encounter during filming with the moza air 2? honestly should we buy the moza air 2 or get the ronin? or is all the bad reviews of the moza air 2 just a couple of bad batches sold?
Moza Air 2 is great and we believe most problems are possibly user error. If you are trying to decide, it's all up to you. But I will say this, you save $150 if you get the Moza.
@@OUCGN no. Got mine in Friday and it died Sunday. Didnt even get a chance to try it out. I exchanged it for the ronin s. I've had zero problems with DJI products so I'm sticking with them.
@@djtwilite318 Thanks for quick answer i was thinking to order Moza but now i will probably switch to Ronin s. sorry for your bad experience. Enjoy your Ronin S:)
You don't need to calibrate, balance test and autotune every time you use the Ronin, so no, you don't need the app every time. It is recommended when you alter the weight or balance. If you are using the same setup, then you should be good to go. Although, double check your balance before you turn it on as things do get shifted at times and you may need to slightly adjust the camera position.
All Pro Media Nice info, I'll be using the same camera and lenses all the time... what about the custom settings on the ronin? They will work everytime after I set them once like I want ???
@@twiins9589, no problem and glad we can help. Be sure to like and smash the subscribe button. We are releasing a new video on balancing the Ronin today!
FYI! In case you have a underslung shakiness problem with the Moza Air 2, here some information, after a long conversation with this company (months), the conclusion is GUDSEN sells some gimbals that work 100%, and some than don't work 100%, so if you have a faulty one, kindly reduce your motor strength or wait for firmware update, they are sorry, they know you have paid the same amount than others who have no problems with their devices, but still they won't send you a proper replacement.... the reason is unknown (most likely they don't have more "good ones") if you want a refund, no problem, just tell them, they will refund you. They know this makes no sense, and is totally unfair, but please don't leave them a bad feedback.... advice, buy it in a shop, try it first...
We can definitely improve and welcome feedback! Thank you. What are your thoughts on what to do? Also, it wasn't a full review but just the pros and cons for our use.
To get people attention you must drive the product in the field... you can have both action and talk keeping the subject interesting. Showtime gentleman you on live!
Just wanted to post an update: Sean's Moza Air 2 crapped out after a little over a year worth of use, while the Ronin S is still going strong! Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!
Having used both, the Moza wins out for the mounting threads, the integrated tripod, and most importantly, the interface; the ability to change *everything* on the fly without busting out your phone and an app can't be understated enough. Also it can handle more weight, and the price with the follow focus is the same as the Ronin by itself. If you don't like using FF on gimbals (I've always found it kind of weird), it's cheaper.
For the lack of horizontal balancing built into the plate (it's on the arm instead on the Moza), I think that's a little strange you guys are harping on it. Neither is better or worse; you just adjust the balance in a different place on each gimbal. Also you guys were putting it under underslung mode kind of strangely - the motor should be behind the camera, not in front, because you'll probably hit your lens that way. Oh and you having difficulty taking out the batteries? That's just embarrassing. Lift them from the side.
Thanks for the reply!
I’ve owned both and while I own a bunch of DJI products I actually like the MOZA Air 2 better, if you’re on the fence between the 2 I would definitely test out the MOZA if nothing else because it handles amazingly and gets killer footage.
They are both pretty great that is for sure.
you shoudl try a lever action arca swiss quick release, if you use the L Brackets, half cages or smallrig cages that have arca it's super convenient and you can also slide it
Did you purposely forget to tell that Ronin S has NON removable battery which to many is a huge deal breaker
On the Moza Follow focus motor with the cinema lens, You can remove and flip the clamp so it faces the other direction. That should give you enough clearance.
Thanks for the info! We did figure that out and it does fix that issue, but our cinema glass was too heavy to balance effectively without using counterweights. The little arm you attach to the front of the plate to then attach the rail and follow focus, restricts how far you can slide the plate backwards. And that makes it difficult to balance heavy lenses without the weights.
@@Allpromedia Interesting. I'm trying to use a small anamorphic set up but it is about 5lbs and front heavy. I hope it works. I'm leaning towards the Moza Air 2 because of the apps. Both Moza and DJI have terrible apps that are spotty at best. The Moza seems to be less reliant on the app as you can preform all setting changes without it. Also looks like I can get the Moza for less than the DJI too. Now does the Ronin S Smallrig cheese plate fit the Moza as well? I would be adding a monitor and handle. That one 1/4-20 isn't enough. Thanks guys!
@@Holtenstein, Ok, I just figured out (stupidly because I should have seen this before) that if you raise the plate with a raiser, then you can add any lens because you won't get restricted from the plate movement. Also, we just installed the follow focus motor on the Ronin, and I prefer how they did that compared to the Moza. Question: Are you talking about the repurposed Russian anamorphic lenses from Iron Glass Adapters?
@@Allpromedia No, I have a custom built anamorphic lens. True 2x stretch. I also am using the Tilta Nucleus Nano follow focus that seems much lighter than the Moza version. So it should help it balance. The Camera are GH5s and BlackMagic pocket 4k both Speedboosted. I just hope they work.
@@Holtenstein nice! Share some of that footage. I bought the BMPCC 4K in November and I am still waiting. Blasted backorder.
On the Moza Air 2. When you want to open the battery compartment you need to squeeze on the grip when to push the button to open. Do that and it will open easy.
Thanks!
For me, I will choose smoothness than features. Ronin S is heavy but it is the best on smoothness and very easy to use. Air 2 has some horizontal issue.
I choose it as well.
Thanks for the review but didn't you forget to mention exposure control for MOZA right from the control panel?
You can also stop / start recording from the crane 2.
Can you handle the + - exposure of the ax700 o sony a7iii from the CRANE. MOZA O RONI. Av TV iso etc? . Thank you
Great video! no one seems to be commenting on the use of the DC out on the Moza air 2. Thats a pretty decent advantage if you are using cameras that need that extra battery life. eg early A7's Blackmagic, Xt3 . did you guys have a chance to try that out?
We have not tried it yet, but Sean is going to employ that during his next gig! I personally bought the BMPCC in November (still waiting) and like you wrote, this is applicable to me now!
Thanks for your video guys! Sean, you were too picky on the cons. We want to hear about the performance of the gimbals and actual real cons... not how hard it is for you to take the batteries out. There were a lot of features you both missed to mention. However, still a decent video. Thank you for doing a review.
Thank you! These were the pros and cons for our use. And in all honesty, there aren't many cons for either. I prefer the Ronin S as I do better with it. User preference.
He pronounces "because" in quite an odd way. But it adds to his character xD
Best comparison yet though. And no pressuring to buy one or the other.
I was going to have Ronin s but it doesn't support my Canon 750D …so I change my idea to buy Moza air 2
Understood. It's definitely a user preference between these two.
I am about to buy one of these but trying to decide between Moza Air 2 or Ronin S or a Crane in the same price point. The Moza seems to have a lot of amazing features but according to some comments and reviews it has issues and shaky footage when walking/running? Does anyone know more about this or have an opinion. It seems like Ronin S has less features but maybe better footage?
I am having the same problem. When I walk or run i see that my footage is very shaky as if i am not using the gimbal. Also when I cant have a roll axis perfectly balanced properly which is why i sent my moza air 2 to technician after one replacement. This time I am not gonna replace but rather shift to Ronin S. Sadly the sellers in my city Chandigarh India don't what I am talking about.
great review, but wich one gives better footage in terms of smoothness?
In terms of smoothness, I wouldn't say there is a winner between these two. They both offer smooth shots, but like Samuel pointed out, it is up to the user.
Moza is better and way cheaper
Both are great and both have their advantages. Ronin S will run you $150 more right now. But both have deals throughout the year.
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I had gotten a Ronin s but had to send it back becuase I was getting motor noise issues. They sent me a new one but I had the exact same problem. Does your Ronin S Make any motor noise at all?
No motor noise for us. Did you properly balance your camera before turning it on?
@@Allpromedia Yep, perfectly balanced on all axis's
@@RainsalotProductions, not sure then. Contact DJI and talk to their support team. Hope it gets worked out in your favor.
I just bought a Moza Air 2 and i'm kinda having difficulty in balancing it. i have seen some reviews that you need to set the Pan Motor into custom and set to zero to have a better and smooth footage.. do you think i should do that or there's problem in my balancing? thanks
why you don't try FeiyuTech AK4000, if you try you will know that AK4000 outsanding of these 2. no matter from the function or the price.
AK4000 is pain in the ass man looks and performs like a cheap chinese PLASTIC toy
How is the war? Moza Air 2 looks like a copy of Ronin S. Both are too heavy. I have my FeiyuTech AK4000 with carbon fiber dual handle and touch screen , works very fine.
Moza definitely took some notes from the Ronin S, but both are great. The Ronin S is heavier, but once you shoot with a gimbal like this, it doesn't take long to build the muscles to acclimate. The Moza and your AK4000 weigh about the same before a camera is mounted. Glad you like it! We watched a few reviews on it and are also impressed. I like the Ronin S the most, personally. Thank you for sharing!
Hey guys I was wondering if you think the moza air 2 would be a good option with BMCC2.5k. I am seriously considering getting it because it’s seems to fit my camera without any modifications. It is also in my budget. I like the fact that it has lighter and a heavier payload than the ronin s? What is your thoughts. Guys I’m also in the Burlington NC area 😎😀
The BMPCC 4K? The Ronin and the Moza Air 2 work well with it, but you need either a cheese plate or cage to offset the mount; otherwise it will not fit on either where the mount is currently.
@@Allpromedia I have the bmcc2.5k
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I am a happy owner of Moza air 2 and I like it so far. It was a little funny to see how you were trying to take out those batteries... actually, it could be done in a second if you used the holes from both sides, that were placed there specifically for this purpose =)
p.s. what quick-release clamp do you use on your Moza?
Lol. Yeah, he figured it out and loves the Moza. Although, the handle material is peeling off. Not on the Moza, no. But it could!
For my pleasure?? Okay 😁
Don't think they are good enough, any other choice?
For this kind of gimbal, the Ronin S is the industry standard. I think they both work great, but there are more choices.
Moza air doesn't come with the follow focus. You either got the bundle, or moza sent you one free to review.
Came in the box for $599.00.
@@samcappuccino, wow. Didn't even know we got a deal like that! Yeah that's an awesome sale and we will keep our eyes out!
@@Allpromedia It came with mine too for 599
I know this is an old post, but if anyone is interested, I just ordered the Moza Air 2 with the iFocus M motor for $449 from Adorama.
thanks for the video. so what problems did you encounter during filming with the moza air 2? honestly should we buy the moza air 2 or get the ronin? or is all the bad reviews of the moza air 2 just a couple of bad batches sold?
Moza Air 2 is great and we believe most problems are possibly user error. If you are trying to decide, it's all up to you. But I will say this, you save $150 if you get the Moza.
@@Allpromedia mine is on its way. ill try it out and see how it goes. thanks....
@@djtwilite318 And are you happy with you Moza?
@@OUCGN no. Got mine in Friday and it died Sunday. Didnt even get a chance to try it out. I exchanged it for the ronin s. I've had zero problems with DJI products so I'm sticking with them.
@@djtwilite318 Thanks for quick answer i was thinking to order Moza but now i will probably switch to Ronin s. sorry for your bad experience. Enjoy your Ronin S:)
You need to go to the app everytime you use the ronin or does it save even when its not connected to the phone?
You don't need to calibrate, balance test and autotune every time you use the Ronin, so no, you don't need the app every time. It is recommended when you alter the weight or balance. If you are using the same setup, then you should be good to go. Although, double check your balance before you turn it on as things do get shifted at times and you may need to slightly adjust the camera position.
All Pro Media Nice info, I'll be using the same camera and lenses all the time... what about the custom settings on the ronin? They will work everytime after I set them once like I want ???
Once you set them, they are golden until you change them or reset the gimbal.
All Pro Media thank you very much!
@@twiins9589, no problem and glad we can help. Be sure to like and smash the subscribe button. We are releasing a new video on balancing the Ronin today!
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FYI! In case you have a underslung shakiness problem with the Moza Air 2, here some information, after a long conversation with this company (months), the conclusion is GUDSEN sells some gimbals that work 100%, and some than don't work 100%, so if you have a faulty one, kindly reduce your motor strength or wait for firmware update, they are sorry, they know you have paid the same amount than others who have no problems with their devices, but still they won't send you a proper replacement.... the reason is unknown (most likely they don't have more "good ones") if you want a refund, no problem, just tell them, they will refund you. They know this makes no sense, and is totally unfair, but please don't leave them a bad feedback.... advice, buy it in a shop, try it first...
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Ronin S all day
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The worst review by far......I'm one of those thumbs down by the way.
We can definitely improve and welcome feedback! Thank you. What are your thoughts on what to do? Also, it wasn't a full review but just the pros and cons for our use.
To get people attention you must drive the product in the field... you can have both action and talk keeping the subject interesting. Showtime gentleman you on live!