Spear and Shield: Applying Techniques in a Fight
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- How to apply the Spear and Shield techniques of Antonio Manciolino in a fight? Enjoy some commented Spear and Shield Fighting with Partisan and Rotella! It's probably so closest you can get to fighting like an ancient hoplite in the fencing books ;-)
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Hell, yes - finally some sparring again! How is your training going? :) Back to business already?
@@tatumergo3931 would you like to elaborate? What kind of opportunities?
@@tatumergo3931 every kind of weapon simulator has some kind of trade off or compromise to another. Doing the same kind of sparring with hard spear heads will lead to less intend by both sparring partners. Also a rounded tip will slide of the shield and introduce other artefacts. Using a sharp point will even more so restrict the practice of many techniques, since we want to keep our training partner and not kill them. A more ridgit nylon head could be a nice option, but I actually think that the friction of the rubber heads on the shields are closer to the 'binding of a sharp tip on a metal shield' than a nylon or blunt tipp sliding of.
Manipulation of the shield is also less easy than with center gripped shields and should not be over evaluated. Training to circumvent the shield maybe is more effective, than binding it with a one handed spear, since the Spear will be probatly always in its weak while the shield is more or less mostly strong.
@@tatumergo3931 maybe, but introducing more rigidity makes it less sparring safe, if you get thrust to the face all the energy is absorbed by your neck. We also have foam tipped spears, they basically don't slip of an surface but if the intensity is high enough, the impact becomes very unpleasant, the rubber tip flexes away under the same conditions.
I guess the solution is not an perfect single option for a spear simulator, but choosing the different version based on your sparring mode/intensity and your training goals.
Extrem example would be using a sharp, you can do it very slow motion, just to feel the difference once. And if you know a certain techniques just works because of the specifiations of your simulator just don't over empathize them ( example would be a very flexible sword, you hit with the flat and despite the parry, the point flexes to the mask of your partner - if you want to use the sword the "right/true" way, don't use this technique which only works with a soft feder)
Back to your question, maybe the kvetun partisan head with a rubber tip?
I am recreating spear techniques for ancient hoplite spear and aspis and draw heavily on Marozzo and Manciolino as analogy. Your videos are so wonderfully clear, and more importantly for me, show why overhand spear was so effective, that I have used them to good effect in explaining spear use. Thank you guys.
I am very glad to hear that, thank you very much!
Have you thought about using larger rotella? Some round, double-grip shields shown on artwork from Marozzo's time are almost as big as the Greek aspis shields we use. With our shields you give up the ability to move to a two-handed grip, but you gain much in the way of defense. My standard attacks are the alternating low-high, from knee and the small bit of thigh that is exposed when the shield is raised, to the face, neck, and right shoulder. Punta reverso becomes much more important, as does footwork to move off line to attack.
@@PMBardunias we have 2 'scrapyard' Rotella that are a bit bigger, not as big as an aspis though. I agree, going two-handed with a really big shield isn't feasible anymore and probably makes going overhand even better since you really need these attacking angles to hit anything.
This was great! I really enjoyed the commentary, the hit markers and the superb background - nice fencing as well 😜❤️
Thank you very much ❤️
This is lovely, and what wonderful architecture!
Thank you and yes indeed - we are lucky to be able to train there. If you are ever close, leave us a message!
@@SchildwachePotsdam I really appreciated your careful breakdown of the exchanges as well. As someone just starting with Fiore spear, this is of great interest to me. I hope one day I will have an opportunity to meet you all in person. Greetings from Taiwan!
When i started learning Bolognese from your videos, one of the really helpful things was the colours of your socks :D Sometimes I wondered which leg was supposed to do what, and I thought "Oh, yes, now the orange leg steps forward!"
We discoverd this secondary purpose as well and try to go for both socks at least when we have a recording session. Originally it was just blue as base color, but the red/yellow are also the colors for Potsdam =)
This is just great. Good to see you back in action!
Thank you very much! I am glad to be back in action as well 😅💪
Malaka! Very nice! Haven't seen this configuration in HEMA yet.
It's really fun actually 😁
Very informative, thanks for sharing!
Thank you, I am glad you liked it 😊
This is both fun and educational to watch. Im making a game and looking for inspiration for my units, keep it up!
Das war das Schönste, was ich die ganze Woche gesehen hab. Großartige Technik von beiden. Nur immer weiter so!
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Most beautiful thing I saw all week. Great technique by both of 'em. Keep it up!
Vielen Dank für das große Lob! ❤️
Very nice Job!!
Thank you my friend 😊
Another great video! You really stepped up your video quality in the last weeks/months!
I still favour the underarm grip but I also like to do the little half-throw in overarm grip!
Thanks, I think my journey to overarm preference started the same way. There should be an old video from 2 years ago 'Christmas Vikings' where I still prefer underarm as well^^
@@SchildwachePotsdam To be honest, I am rarely using 1-handed spear with shield, I prefer 2-handed or I drop the spear and pull the sword (Mostly when the line fight breaks down to single combat).
But I can imagine you are on a better way with overhand grip against another spear&shield. I will try it out next opportunity.
Great stuff.
Does the symbol on the guy on the right’s shield- the red and blue with two gold stripes- have any particular meaning? Because I really like the design.
It's the colors of our club 😉
Nice Pride gear!
For more color in HEMA 😉
Honestly, pride aside, I even just agree we need more colour in HEMA gear. Everyone's just in black and I get it, but still.
Another great video
Thank you very much 😊
Awesome exchanges. The spear is king.
Great work! I really never realized that moving between two and one handed grip would be so "easy" with a shield. Is that something specific to the rotella or do you think an earlier triangular shield and spear could perform similarly?
It depends on the grip on the shield, if its a center grip, it still works with a buckler, but if the shield gets bigger straps are better to keep the shield at the arm but still controll the spear with the same hand. It should work with a triangular shield as well =)
Thank you! :) It's definitely harder, the longer your shield is. So with a 'Kiteshield' I would only use the knuckles down variant (where your left thumb points toward the spearhead) or let my hand protrude beyond the shield. 'Heatershields' actually handle just like a Rotella.^^ And like Stephan said, even with center gripped shields it is still doable, just not that comfortable.
thanks!
Great vid!
Thank you! =)
Very elegant vide :)
Based on ''two handed spear'' vs ''spear and shield'' ( both spears similar lenght and same heads as in your video), i found ( for the unskilled) that the 'two handed spear'' to have a really large advantage in control, quickly repeated fakes /attacks etc. Have you played out that option with benefit of medieval manuals ?
Just saw your video "'How did they really fight with Spear and Shield?"' - thank you
Yup, in the duel the two handed version is really great. It's just a bit harder to throw the spear and the shield becomes more passive - like an added weight to your arm. ^^ This is probably why Marozzo advises to drop the shield in that case. In a skirmish, it would be a different situation. ☺️
Double sided spears allow for both under and over hand grips with an easy way to switch.
Underhand is far superior for basic anatomic reasons. Also you can rotate your forearm up and mimic the overhand grip.
Then again Overhand dominates the historical sources we have, so there seems to be more to it 😉
Mimic it in an awkward and terrible way... Also underhand grip loses a huge amount of power, parrying, and recovery ability.
Nice exchanges
Thank you! :)
Thank you for this excellent video! May I ask where you get the rotella from?
Thanks, sure - since this question is so common, we decided to make a detailed video with all options which will be released next monday 😊⚔️
Tell me where to get those shields! Those are awesome!
We released a video with all the information. You'll find the links in the video description there:
ruclips.net/video/f0JlxayZVG4/видео.html
It is pride ^.^
=) but this is also my normal gear :D but fits to the month ;-)
Where did you get your Rotellas from?
Since this question came up quite often, we decided to make a detailed video on this (and other options), which will be released next monday =)
Bigger shields
Lgbt warrior
What a couple of noodles.
Noodles?
Are the costumes post-modern gay Landesknecht?
Rotella is always useless I see... :(
How did you get that impression?
@@SchildwachePotsdam because I don't see any "schifata"... your arm is stopped, no motion, non opponent action stopped. The opponent is free to enter as he wants.
@@SchildwachePotsdam see here how a shield might be used: ruclips.net/video/HKhrbYICvm0/видео.html
I am not sure if I understand you correctly, but if you watch the video you'll see plenty of motion and opponent's action stopping with the rotella.
@@SchildwachePotsdam yes i see but this is not "slongare" as the ancient masters means. To correctly use the shield is really hard to understand. I might say these rotella are so light and make this more difficult. I own two and are not the right stuff. Best. 😉