I'm glad you correctly cited why the 2011 Thundercats was cancelled. I hate hearing people blame the audience when they say "Not enough people watched it."
Blaming the customer is always the best policy. Sadly if you actually want to work in animation or with them you kind of have to defend your ilk. It's why Game Journos blame "Whiny gamers" when a AAA game flops.
To be fair, I never watched it because I didn't know it existed until it had already been cancelled. CN never advertised it, it rarely ever came up in the programming blocks, nobody ever talked about it... I didn't even know it was ever made until like 2017.
Your "so future bright" became into a present where you have to pay an absurd amount of money to be able to watch at least trice as much money to be able to watch everything we used to.
You made some good points about how streaming services have them, but I think a lot of people are disappointed that the action cartoons that Nick and CN own like Danny Phanton, Ben 10, Teen Titans are likely not going to those streaming platforms because they want their shows on their own services. This might be hopefully changing with Nick teaming up with Netflix to make a live action Avatar and I know that's not a cartoon but it's adapted from their cartoons.
They became rife with irony. No one can pretend to take things which are silly in premise seriously anymore. The idea of Thundercats is very silly, and the writers/creators don't even try anymore. Probably because they are being hired on nepotism or something.
0:19 The 80's, 90's and early 2000's: Great action, cool looking main characters and strong leads. 0:24 2015 to now: Swishy, noodle arms, ‘‘funny’’ and loud. Calart's style, where everything looks squishy and cute.
Delroy61 yeah but it spread into the early 2000s. I remember the early action figures were technically collectible figures that you could only get at the anime store. They were dumb expensive and you could only move the arms, everything else was stiff lmao but then in the early 2000s that’s when they started to make real action figures and real merchandise. I’m speaking mainly about DBZ
@@ZeroFighter well, for one, the service is better. you pick whatever you want watch, whenever you want watch it, and there are no ads. second, you get to pick what you sign up for, and don't get shovelware you can't refuse, so you'll only spend $120 if you can't control yourself
@@GraveUypo Ha! Oh, wait, you're being serious. Let me laugh even harder. AHAHAHAHA!!!! Netflix has been considering adding commercials for years, and VRV offers a free subscriptions with advertisements already. Hell, $7.99 for Hulu each month DOES include advertisements. As for picking what you want without shovelware, while you can refuse to watch it, you're still paying for it, and it's still included with the service, inflating the numbers for offered content. See; 'Netflix Original' / 'Hulu Original'. If you want Hulu without ads, that's $15 a month. Add-on's include ESPN, Disney, Showtime, HBO, Cinemax, and STARZ, as well as a couple others, all separate expenses. Getting the complete Hulu package costs $83 USD per month, and some content that people want just isn't available on Hulu because everyone and their dog has a subscription service these days.
Thanks. I (and basically all content creators) rely on being lucky enough for people to spread a video around or hope that their thumbnail is click baitey enough to catch attention. It's pretty funny how it works. Even tend to not get a lot of views these videos are fun to make and it's nice to see people getting enjoyment out of them.
That He-Man inspiring anime is a weird point considering the fact that most anime ever especially shounen are there to promote the manga, not the toys. They do so to the point where even the quality of the show suffers especially back then. But other than that, good vid, I do think Netflix has been putting out some really good stuff with Seis Manos, Castlevania, Liberator, Blood of Zeus, Trese and so on. And there are so many adult animations that I feel like western cartoons are at their best now, if you just ignore the mainstream crap.
I just hope these new action cartoons remember that their viewers are predominantly kids. I love most of the DC animated movies, but my biggest gripe with them, is that I can’t watch any of them with my kids. All the movies curse, have excessive blood and sex scenes. Bruce Timms universe didn’t need any of that to be successful
Another solid video. I wish I could be as optimistic as you about the future of action cartoons, since the sponsorships from Netflix et al. are more of a Faustian bargain than anything. Sure, the series will be made, but it likely won't be available in a physical release and the higher-ups at Netflix et al. will most definitely pressure the creators to inject some agenda into their series. Obviously there are plenty of contemporary networks exerting the same pressure, but that would mean the shift to streaming services is really a lateral move, in terms of creators interacting with bean counters. I suppose what bothers me is Netflix having a complete monopoly over their "network," and being such a majority force in the streaming industry. That kind of power isn't healthy for corporations or for the people who interact with them. Furthermore, what happens a decade from now once TV is mostly dead and streaming services are the only things millennials and gen Z watch? In 2013, a creator could threaten to walk to a streaming service if the cable companies didn't treat him right. He wouldn't be able to do the same thing if Netflix completely consumes the former TV market. Doomsaying aside, I'm looking forward to your next video as always.
You bring up good points. While reading for this video I did become increasingly worried about how much of a monopoly Netflix has. They have the most viewers because at this point they have the most content and since they have the most content they will have the most viewers. It could become a netflix situation where they become completely incompetent but we have to deal with it because there could be no better alternatives. At the same time this isn't that different from modern TV. While there were different stations for cartoons there are only a handful of creators and they all know each other and are willing to defend each other. Warner bros, Viacom and Disney alone own the majority of american TV stations and the animators who work for them come from the same few colleges. Basically while I am scared of what Netflix can do, I think it is still better than what we had.
true bro old creators are far more better then today childish creators just see how they ruin mcu how hulk was when stan lee was alive and now just watch ben 10 ultimate alien and today ben 10 the animation so bad and only made for 8 years old kids thats all i wanted to say
That doesn't mean it isn't an action cartoon. A mature plot, which isn't that mature. And it doesn't have to focus on fights, action cartoons are plot oriented, with fights to help the story progress. Like every other action cartoon. Avatar is an amazing show, but people like you keep blowing it acting like it's a complete genre changer.
@@tristen-w1p yeah there are shoes like Young Justice, Ben 10, Secret Saturdays with mature plots but have action too. Avatar is not a game changer but a classic
They made improvements but the animation in season 1 was awful due to it being a stylistic choice. The cinematography and shots and frame rate were not very good.
10 year olds dont give a shit how cartoons look. They are jot develoled enough to have taste. Its at best a matter of zeitgeist, and at worst conditioning.
Honestly the real reason why action cartoons are dying out is pretty simple, anime is better. Seriously anime is better in every conceivable way. I don't know why you mentioned a "anime craz" as if it's something that's already come and gone, anime has really gotten a lot more mainstream the last few years.
I'm glad you correctly cited why the 2011 Thundercats was cancelled. I hate hearing people blame the audience when they say "Not enough people watched it."
Blaming the customer is always the best policy. Sadly if you actually want to work in animation or with them you kind of have to defend your ilk. It's why Game Journos blame "Whiny gamers" when a AAA game flops.
@@welfarewalrus597 Sounds like it all needs to be metaphorically burned to the ground.
Was the 2011 serie good? I've only heard of it recently long after it was cancelled
@@ikagura It was great and is on Hulu now. They should revive it.
To be fair, I never watched it because I didn't know it existed until it had already been cancelled. CN never advertised it, it rarely ever came up in the programming blocks, nobody ever talked about it... I didn't even know it was ever made until like 2017.
"Streaming companies are only planning on investing more into animation."
Yeah, about that....
Your "so future bright" became into a present where you have to pay an absurd amount of money to be able to watch at least trice as much money to be able to watch everything we used to.
You made some good points about how streaming services have them, but I think a lot of people are disappointed that the action cartoons that Nick and CN own like Danny Phanton, Ben 10, Teen Titans are likely not going to those streaming platforms because they want their shows on their own services. This might be hopefully changing with Nick teaming up with Netflix to make a live action Avatar and I know that's not a cartoon but it's adapted from their cartoons.
But why would they do that
Spoiler alert: They didn't.
They became rife with irony. No one can pretend to take things which are silly in premise seriously anymore. The idea of Thundercats is very silly, and the writers/creators don't even try anymore. Probably because they are being hired on nepotism or something.
0:19 The 80's, 90's and early 2000's: Great action, cool looking main characters and strong leads.
0:24 2015 to now: Swishy, noodle arms, ‘‘funny’’ and loud. Calart's style, where everything looks squishy and cute.
The last great truly was avatar, wasnt it...
Anime craze in the early 2000s? What....?
Surely you mean the late 90s?
DBZ
POKEMON
SAILORMOON
Game changers right there
Delroy61 yeah but it spread into the early 2000s. I remember the early action figures were technically collectible figures that you could only get at the anime store. They were dumb expensive and you could only move the arms, everything else was stiff lmao but then in the early 2000s that’s when they started to make real action figures and real merchandise. I’m speaking mainly about DBZ
YEAH！
The spark was lit in the 1980's, the fire erupted in the 1990's, but the explosion didn't go off until the 2000's.
@@ZeroFighter at least here in brazil it already exploded with saint seiya much earlier than the 2000's.
I wish cartoon network and nick would make a streaming service like Netflix or hulu with all their library available
They do now with Paramount+ and HBO Max
@@Geek306
Yeah, why spend $60 a month on cable when you can spend $120 a month on streaming services?
@@ZeroFighter well, for one, the service is better. you pick whatever you want watch, whenever you want watch it, and there are no ads. second, you get to pick what you sign up for, and don't get shovelware you can't refuse, so you'll only spend $120 if you can't control yourself
@@GraveUypo
Ha! Oh, wait, you're being serious. Let me laugh even harder. AHAHAHAHA!!!!
Netflix has been considering adding commercials for years, and VRV offers a free subscriptions with advertisements already. Hell, $7.99 for Hulu each month DOES include advertisements.
As for picking what you want without shovelware, while you can refuse to watch it, you're still paying for it, and it's still included with the service, inflating the numbers for offered content. See; 'Netflix Original' / 'Hulu Original'.
If you want Hulu without ads, that's $15 a month. Add-on's include ESPN, Disney, Showtime, HBO, Cinemax, and STARZ, as well as a couple others, all separate expenses. Getting the complete Hulu package costs $83 USD per month, and some content that people want just isn't available on Hulu because everyone and their dog has a subscription service these days.
@@ZeroFighteryou can Just pirate
Great video. I think that you accurately summarized the state of action cartoons today. Both your channel and this video deserves more views.
Thanks. I (and basically all content creators) rely on being lucky enough for people to spread a video around or hope that their thumbnail is click baitey enough to catch attention. It's pretty funny how it works. Even tend to not get a lot of views these videos are fun to make and it's nice to see people getting enjoyment out of them.
@@welfarewalrus597 Yeah, I totally understand. Keep up the great work!
That He-Man inspiring anime is a weird point considering the fact that most anime ever especially shounen are there to promote the manga, not the toys. They do so to the point where even the quality of the show suffers especially back then.
But other than that, good vid, I do think Netflix has been putting out some really good stuff with Seis Manos, Castlevania, Liberator, Blood of Zeus, Trese and so on. And there are so many adult animations that I feel like western cartoons are at their best now, if you just ignore the mainstream crap.
It eventually became apart of the objective especially with the internet and modern collectors
@@Ajourneyofknowing
I don't follow toy collecting so I wouldn't know.
I just hope these new action cartoons remember that their viewers are predominantly kids. I love most of the DC animated movies, but my biggest gripe with them, is that I can’t watch any of them with my kids. All the movies curse, have excessive blood and sex scenes. Bruce Timms universe didn’t need any of that to be successful
That's because most of the audience for action figures and shows are teens and adults.
I need that cover of love theme from Spartacus my dude
Updated the description with music
Netflix and Hulu are the king of action cartoons!!!!!
I guess it's more of a given on why you don't really see any more Saturday morning cartoons broadcasted on the major channels anymore
"You might be using one even now"
Shows the exact same phone in the exact same position, as I watch the video
Another solid video. I wish I could be as optimistic as you about the future of action cartoons, since the sponsorships from Netflix et al. are more of a Faustian bargain than anything. Sure, the series will be made, but it likely won't be available in a physical release and the higher-ups at Netflix et al. will most definitely pressure the creators to inject some agenda into their series.
Obviously there are plenty of contemporary networks exerting the same pressure, but that would mean the shift to streaming services is really a lateral move, in terms of creators interacting with bean counters. I suppose what bothers me is Netflix having a complete monopoly over their "network," and being such a majority force in the streaming industry. That kind of power isn't healthy for corporations or for the people who interact with them.
Furthermore, what happens a decade from now once TV is mostly dead and streaming services are the only things millennials and gen Z watch? In 2013, a creator could threaten to walk to a streaming service if the cable companies didn't treat him right. He wouldn't be able to do the same thing if Netflix completely consumes the former TV market.
Doomsaying aside, I'm looking forward to your next video as always.
You bring up good points. While reading for this video I did become increasingly worried about how much of a monopoly Netflix has. They have the most viewers because at this point they have the most content and since they have the most content they will have the most viewers. It could become a netflix situation where they become completely incompetent but we have to deal with it because there could be no better alternatives. At the same time this isn't that different from modern TV. While there were different stations for cartoons there are only a handful of creators and they all know each other and are willing to defend each other. Warner bros, Viacom and Disney alone own the majority of american TV stations and the animators who work for them come from the same few colleges. Basically while I am scared of what Netflix can do, I think it is still better than what we had.
That Zoobooks commercial hit different..
It's weird to watch a video and think, "Wait a second, I've seen this specific nature footage somewhere..."
I will bring this genre to the renissance era by making my new IP.
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What is the name of this cartoon?
the last man
@@mustafa_mskoاخخخخخ شكرا لكني عرفت من زمان
true bro old creators are far more better then today childish creators just see how they ruin mcu how hulk was when stan lee was alive and now just watch ben 10 ultimate alien and today ben 10 the animation so bad and only made for 8 years old kids thats all i wanted to say
Thunder cats was one of my favorite shows,even watching it as an adult
Great video. Really hit the points.
What? my favorite cartoon was shafted because of lego? and now i get to know this information?
Plot
Oh yeah wrong generation
The true enemy of Action Cartoons is Cocomelon, of all things.
Everyone else: WHAT??????!!!!!
Kids don't play with toys anymore. It's all phones and tablets and sneaking in some money from mom and dads kredit card
Avatar is not an action cartoon, plot is very mature and the focus is not in fights. Also I dont remember toys.
That doesn't mean it isn't an action cartoon. A mature plot, which isn't that mature. And it doesn't have to focus on fights, action cartoons are plot oriented, with fights to help the story progress. Like every other action cartoon. Avatar is an amazing show, but people like you keep blowing it acting like it's a complete genre changer.
@@tristen-w1p yeah there are shoes like Young Justice, Ben 10, Secret Saturdays with mature plots but have action too. Avatar is not a game changer but a classic
Dragon Prince doesn't have "wonky visuals".. its one of the most beautiful cartoons ever made
They made improvements but the animation in season 1 was awful due to it being a stylistic choice. The cinematography and shots and frame rate were not very good.
good video
Because action series are too expensive to make? That and something simple, bright, and colorful is attractive to the eye, garnering more attention.
Okay because of forceful work by the networks, these good shows died out... It's sad isn't?
Just look at the new details in the new cartoon. Alot of cool action explode with shading and a joke. Whats wrong with that?
DBZ was created way in the 90s, nothing to do with He-man
nice video
The Thundercats 2011 show was kinda bad though
10 year olds dont give a shit how cartoons look. They are jot develoled enough to have taste. Its at best a matter of zeitgeist, and at worst conditioning.
I just hope Netflix acquire thundercats and give us season 2
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Liberalism happened.
Honestly the real reason why action cartoons are dying out is pretty simple, anime is better. Seriously anime is better in every conceivable way. I don't know why you mentioned a "anime craz" as if it's something that's already come and gone, anime has really gotten a lot more mainstream the last few years.
Support Glitch Techs and Kipo and spread the word because those are good action cartoons
I came from 4chan
Stay there
@@trabuco9 LMAO
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