What really pisses me off is that decide a good idea for a joke a year after the death of the orginal Panthro voice actor Earle Hyman they show a decompsoing skeleton Panthro as a joke. The show was planned out in 2018 Hyman died in November 2017, absolutely disgusting.
And on top what this is showing Kids who Watch this (OK they might not know that the Voice-actor died) but still it sends out the Message it’s OK to make tactless Bad Taste Jokes about People who died?! That’s not a great Message
Hoo boy, did Victor "Man Bun too Tight" Courtwright outdo Rian Johnson for Cunt of the Century there. The sheer balls of that podunk fuckboi who shouldn't be allowed in the field of entertainment ever again. If this was TTGo taking the piss out of the passings of Bob Hastings or Efrem Zembilist Jr, DCAU fans across the board would demand everyone from the now exited James Tucker and Christina Miller's heads on a pike Whether its already canned or the Wuhan Plague, TINO is a crime against humanity
80's kid here, I love the original ThunderCats. Had all the toys, the lunch boxes, the posters, Etc. Loved the 2011 reboot, but of course it got canceled because Cartoon Network doesn't know its own ass from a hole in the ground. Thundercats Roar is an abomination. The worst resurrected corpse of a generation X property I've ever seen.
@@Crystal_Dylan Even if he were acting like that, it's certainly better behavior than acting like someone took a dump in your coffee just because you read someone's opinion, and don't like it. 😂
To clarify the 2011 reboot wasn't canceled due to low viewers. Despite CN constantly shifting it all over the place it still had good ratings. CN canceled it cause they could do Chima, get a deal with lego (cause toy sales are all that matter), and make more money off it cause they'd own the rights to it as opposed to using Thundercats.
I don't hate the "calarts" style as much as some people seem to, as long as the shows that use the styles are visually distinct enough to be easily told apart. Compare Star Vs to Steven Universe, for instance. But this show is one of the worst looking I've ever seen. Lion-O doesn't look like his own character- he looks like the aforementioned Steven Universe suffering from jaundice.
Legit I was so cknfused when I saw Lion-O I've never watched Thundercats outside of watching the intro. But why the fuck is his hair like that?? I thought this was some Boruto bullshit with Lion-O's son
Timmy Reobed sure but like he was saying “calarts” was never actually a thing it was much more like a stupid meme that got way out of hand and some stupid people say that it’s still everywhere like that all cartoons still look the same
At least the character designs in season 10 FOP are not horrible to look at and don’t shit on the designs from the older seasons despite the actual animation in terms of movement being complete shit. This show shits on the 80s and 2011 incarnations and I don’t get who would watch this version over the 2011 version. The 2011 one looked like a legit reboot and what a reboot should be at least when it comes to updating the designs and settings and at least kept the appropriate tone when it comes to a action drama show.
Could not agree more about the "reboot should appeal to its fanbase" statement. You know why Sonic the Hedgehog gets so much praise despite being just an okay movie? Because the makers appealed to the original fanbase. Yes, it's a new Sonic in a new story and yes he does also appeal to the youth of today using modern tropes and trends, he freaking flosses, but any Sonic fan can go and watch the movie and will understand that the creators wanted to take something from the original source material and make it modern, not tell a random story with a Sonic skin slapped onto it.
Indeed, and there's also some "fanbase references" if you pay attention and know "DeviantArt sonic." Like, these creators either are genuine fans themselves or really did their research.
@@catholiccontriversy They're new fans who did their research...which is more than the writers from Colors onward have done for the games since 2010. HEYO!
Sonic would totally floss on Eggman. It's well within his character to meme on Eggman every chance he gets, especially if it blows up the Death-Bot-of-the-Week.
Sonic pretty much has a good history of reboots carring the same spirit anyways. You guys remember the disaster hat was sonic 06? That still has its fans because it was made for people who already knew the series and the characters.
This show is giving me strong: "Ten to thirdy second long fan animation made by someone not having much experience with both drawing and animating on tumblr, that later created a youtube chanel just to post it and get maybe 5 to 30 likes" vibes.
"Every reboot of any franchise should care about the fans of the original version." This is why Ghostbusters 2016 didn't work, because they didn't care one bit about the fans of the original and were only interested in the audience they were intending to target. Shows like this are proof that some people still apparently have not learned this lesson.
And the sad thing of it is that they already had a roadmap on how to do a more diverse Ghostbusters team in the form of Extreme Ghostbusters all the way back in 1997- if they'd gone and made THAT into their movie, the pre-existing fanbase would've been popping champagne corks in short order. See also the Jem and the Holograms movie from 2015, which would've probably at least made its budget back if they'd had the Misfits in more than just a post-credits scene.
@@christianwright5874 There are like 5 different ghostbusters teams that would fit the role better. Hell, if they wanted a spin off, do some kind of meet up between the real ghost busters, extreme ghostbusters and original movie ghostbusters (the originals training the rest) about them all needing to work together and fight ghosts across the entire country! At least then we could have had a fun movie that would have hit every ghostbusters fan's favorite characters and paid respects to the full franchise
This is also why reboots like Thundercats 2011, DuckTales, MLP:FiM and several TMNT series worked so well, and why recent anime reboots like Devilman Crybaby, GeGeGe no Kitaro 2018 and the new alternate take on Digimon Adventure have worked so well, it's clear that the people making them have a lot of love for the original product and respect for not just existing fans, but also any potential new ones. Meanwhile, Thundercats Roar was literally, no exaggeration, made by someone who openly hates the original Thundercats AND the 2011 reboot, hates the fans of those shows even more, and believes kids don't need anything smarter than loud noises and bright colours in their entertainment, and it fucking shows.
@@ElFreakinCid I originally didn't like the Thundercats 2011 reboot just cause of the characters' personalities but I did enjoy watching it and I didn't feel like it disrespected the source material. I was actually sad when it got canceled cause eventually, I got over myself. Like that was legit a good show, especially the way it grew up the same way the fans did instead of dumbing everything down and it felt like somebody actually gave a shit
@@herosshade2247 True, though I was talking more like "the very first animation series." One someone makes as their very first but afterwards is used as nothing more but an animation of what not to do.
I'm not angry at this remake's existence because "It ruined my childhood." I didn't grow up with the 80's series and I only watched the 2011 series back in middle school. I'm angry at this because Cartoon Network took another beloved franchise, and turned into another cheap, lazy, cash-in that pisses off more fans than actually engages them. Children aren't idiots, yet these cartoons treat them as such. The only thing these things serve is to turn them into brain-dead idiots in the future. And while I'm not as angry as other's are at the "CalArts Style", this one looks downright ugly and amateurish. I'm also pissed that instead of continuing the 2011 Thundercats reboot, they rebooted it again! After watching the first episode of this piece of crap, I went and rewatched the episode "Song of the Petalars" to remind myself what good Thundercats looks like. Another insulting aspect of this garbage is that they did a crossover with "Toddler Titans" right after this episode, where they literally insulted the fans of both the original and the 2011 reboot by saying they have "Poop mouth with poop opinions". Made worse is that they made the original voice actor for Lion-O say that. And without a doubt the most insulting thing they did is when they made fun of Panthro's old voice actor's death by literally showing a skeleton of his character. Insulting the fans is one thing, but insulting a dead man who hasn't done anything wrong to you is another. They should be ashamed of themselves.
@@jturner2577 Enter showed a few scenes from the crossover episode with TTG & T-Cats Roar (with appearances of the 1980s and 2011 versions of T-Cats). I'll make sure to have my snacks ready when he review that one, if he does.
Yet the show is stuck at 31 episodes and instead of making more episodes for that amazing show, they make a 3rd terrible reboot. First Teen Titans Go(which is pure stupidity), PowerPuff Girls 2016(which was just bland), and now this trash heap.
Fritz Philogene II Naw, he lost a bet against Pasadena Opossum. He bet that he could beat her in eating a jar of peanut butter quicker than her. She cheated with her tail
Things about this show that make me ESPECIALLY depressed... -The creator of the show openly hated the old show and was still given the rights to it -Someone looked at that hideous, HIDEOUS artstyle and, with all seriousness, said "Yes. That's good." -The voice actors of this actually WOULD be good in their respective roles if it was a more serious cartoon, but get the most random-lol-derp lowbrow humor instead -People actively expressed their hatred for this show, Cartoon Network debuted it with no fanfare, and yet it insists on sticking around, even going so far as to bend over backward to kiss its own ass and crack VERY tasteless jokes -There are people who LEGITIMATELY defend it despite its shallow mediocrity and unashamed jackassery
@@zebraterabyteztproductions9595 at this point its no better considering they pull the stunts of bashing those with legit criticism. Seriously this comes to show its all one giant circle jerk of gaslighting anyone with legit problems with the show and when it gets cancelled HOPEFULLY the creator will blame sexist men or racist white people or something to excuse this terrible drivel of a show
@@CurtyTails I am convinced most of these nu artists get in because of nepotism. Because this guy's work looks like he failed art school but he knows a second cousin in HR at CN so got the job.
Just recently I learned that the show runner is the creator of "Pickle and Peanut" so yeah, that explained everything to me. Basically he turned the Thundercats into a reskinned version of his canceled shit-show.
After Cartoon Network squandering their brief and glorious comeback by constantly showing TTGo instead of Adventure Time or Regular Show, this doesn’t surprise me at all.
Boy that quarantine episode of Ed, Edd n' Eddy sure is a lot funnier now... now if you excuse me, I need to sell my body to pay what I owe to the vacuum cleaner and my dog.
Infinity Train Care bears Transformers Gumball Powerpuff girls Chowder Owlhouse Ducktales Voltron Force Symbyotic Titan Teen Titans Ed edd n Eddy Anphibia Adventure Time TMNT (2006) AND SO MANY MORE KIDS SHOWS WITH GOOD WRITING I DIDN'T EVEN NAME!
Owen Keys exactly. They do make up the weak animation with the expression showing that the animators were capable of delivering fast paced comedic energy despite the subpar budget that Cartoon Network gives them
I never really thought the "CalArts" style was that horrible of a design. Overused yes but horrible, not really. In this instance, this show looks God awful and mind numbing. And insulting the original fanbase of the franchise did not help this show in the slightest.
I need to stress that what people call "CalArts" style changes each decade. John K created the term to mock the art style of The Iron Giant a movie that he hates because everyone loves it but he had nothing to do with it. After that it was picked up by other people to refer to the "Disney style" and for the last couple of years it's been used to describe the bean head style that became popular in Western Animation. I need to stress a few things. 1: Each decade in animation does end up having a popular style, this is true just as much for anime as it is for American cartoons. I can tell an 80's and 90's cartoon or anime apart from a modern one because of the difference in art style. 2: the definition of CalArts style changes and it's always "Whatever is popular right now" and right now people use the term "CalArts" to refer to either the bean-head or the nerdy character you see in Dreamworks and Disney/Pixar animated movies.
I have no real like or dislike for cal-art style (I’m more of a fan of the Disney/Don Bluth artstyle myself), but I gotta day I’m getting sick of EVERY western animated cartoon using this style. It’s like I’m the ‘90’s when almost every cartoon had the Klasky Csupo-sequel design even on shows I liked like Rugrats, Hey Arnold, and The Wild Thornberries.
DawnOfTheOzz The design itself isn’t terrible, but a lot of shows nowadays, uses it as a way to cut corners and/or to catch audiences’ attention. “If you loved Adventure Time and Regular Show, then you would love reboots of older properties in their styles right?”
Many would argue Teen Titans go was a critical failure too, it just hasn’t financially been a failure as well and they had to sacrifice like half the network to accomplish that.
I mean it's the same reason Jhonny Test survived for like 5 seasons. It was so cheap to produce it was able to sustain the network until adventure time. Teen titans go was that but it actually made money. Unfortunately for CN ttg isn't exactly a spongebob where it can survive past a generation.
@Strider Xanthos Mostly merchandising. CN doesn't do cartoons that they don't think will get young preteen males to buy merchandising off of. Sometimes there might be exception I guess? Because I honestly dunno their decisions making process for shows like Uni kitty or Steven universe. But yeah TTG sales a lot of merchandise, and this might be do to it riding the superhero trend boom we've been having. Though the hero trend is probably going to end pretty soon as the new decade counties. This is why Omni says that they sacrificed half the network to make this money making machine. TTG mostly worked because marketing, but that work they put in to raising this show to it's financial heights, was at the cost of putting a lot of shit in one basket. TTG is a mule they've basically worked almost to it's death and I assume Thunder cat Roar was going to be their new mule to pump out more merchandise. Though this is mostly speculation so take it with a grain of salt.
@Strider Xanthos Dunno. in the case of Transformers the profits for merchandising would be split for that particular show. In Bakugan's case I doubt CN, had any merchandising rights? I dunno, all i know is the only work they'd had to do was localization, so it was probably just a cheap alternative.
Al X. Andra Indeed, the director for OK KO knew what he wanted the show to be, so the art style worked well. But with the direction of Thundercats Roar, it suffers as it feels like it would be more akin to flash then ‘hand-drawn’ animation.
The art style just looks ugly, and not in a 'its drawn to look ugly' way, I mean ugly as like it came from a place of just horrible, spiteful, mean spirited, kind of ugly. My niece watched this show and the art style scared her. I am not joking. On a side note, If they wanted to make a show that mocked Thundercats and similar action animations of the 80's then I say go for it, there's plenty of material there, but you didn't have to use the Thundercats for that. Also I have no complaints against the animation, being an animator myself, but the art style is just disgusting, This is supposed to be for kids, my kids wont even watch it.
Funny you should say that: the showrunner's brother apparently loved Thundercats, but he hated it, so he only took this job to piss his brother off. If that's true, then it's the She-Ra situation all over again, only 10x worse. :/
@@meb4224 I am not aware of the She-Ra situation but at least She-Ra is nice to look at with some great visual imagery, and my daughter loves She-Ra, its colourful well animated and pretty harmless. But this Thundercats show is nothing like that its just ugly, really ugly. But we gave it a shot though, my kids wont be watching it again for sure lol.
@Al X. Andra I saw maybe 1 epsidoe of the 2011 remake and this show is just bad.. like it's the ugliest show I've ever seen and I don't think I'm exaggerating
Y'know it's funny, Thundercats was an 80s show so it was heavily discouraged for characters to go off-model, meanwhile Thundercats Roar is the exact opposite and has characters go off model so often that you'd wonder if there were even model sheets at all.
To think Hazbin Hotel, an animated short made on an internet budget has better animation than this hidgher budget cartoon... Say what you want about Gumball or Steven Universe, but the budget clearly shows in the effects, the music and the animation. Not here.
For even smaller budget series Gwain Saga by GeoExe and for a fair use yet still hilarious romp Warhammer 40K if the Emporer had a text to speech device by Bruva Alphabusa.
Dick Figures is better than Thundercats Roar. Better animation, better characters, better comedy, and that’s with ACTUAL STICK FIGURES!!!! Though, yeah, Hazbin Hotel is flawless and incredible!
@@ligtningdog6399 as someone in the Animation Industry - its 100% about budget. I worked on a movie where every artist involved knew it looked like shit but it was the best that could be done with those time constraints... (The movie is Princess Emmy and her Horses btw, its as cringy as it sounds)
@@FantasyDepression there are better ways to show a character being brash-plus maybe...not make that...the first thing they say on screen? First impressions are important-it made her come off as arrogant and the whole thing came off as a little disrespectful to how much work that goes into an avatar mastering the 4 elements much less even knowing how to do 3 out of 4 of them like it was nothing WITHOUT ANY TRAINING! Nobody had even tracked her down as the avatar yet do the people she is around could only teach her water bending in any capacity. It made her come off as too arrogant and annoying and too well off in terms of bending in terms of challenge. And as mysterious mr enter already went into-air bending should have been an element she should have mastered easily if any of them-fire bending should have been more difficult to learn or hell her own flesh and born ability-water bending should have been more difficult-and the latter option would have been interesting hence she should be born a waterbender as that’s the next in the avatar cycle which would likely lead to insecurities and perhaps bullying which then leads Korra to suddenly earth bend accidentally when angry at someone and trying again and again to waterbend-which would then give way to brash nature and arrogance. THAT is how you introduce a character that is brash and arrogant but still keeping them empathetic and somewhat likable
TCR Lion-O: I’M THE REAL LION-O AND YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH IT!!!! Original Lion-O (yes, it was in the actual show): You’ve just proved to be that ThunderCats Roar (not the early 2010s reboot) is a worthy successor and anyone who says otherwise is a *poop mouth with poop opinions.* 😈😈😈😈
At least Korra's animation was much better. Even the Hitchhiker's Guide was more respectful about the world being demolished, and the Vogons blew it to make way for a highway in space!
Finally someone said it. Sure, fans when they get a bad reboot, can sometimes complain too much, the new version is still bad but they throw more hate than it deserves, not realize that the original is still there for people to enjoy, your childhood was not ruined. But a good counterpoint is that if you are going to make a reboot and instead of try to please fans of the original, you're just going to make fans of the original pissed, why rebooting it in the first place? Reboots are so popular because they want to use the fans of the original to kickstart it and exploit nostalgia, if you are not going to give fans of the original something, do something new instead.
Going back to your first point of the fans complaining too much, when people say their childhood is ruined, they don't mean it in a literal sense. Yes, people are fully aware they can still go back and watch the original. Their actual childhood memories in and of themselves aren't tainted. It's just a way to phrase disappointed in how something beloved from childhood can be twisted into something so empty that doesn't represent anything about what you loved. Or in the more comedic sense, someone drawing more "adult" or rebel/punk-like art of such franchises - I used to really like the "ruining your childhood" pages on Facebook, for example. So yeah, that something "ruined your childhood" is a cliche and a little cringe thing to say, but c'mon, don't act like people are completely unaware that they still have the original, or that they meant that in a completely literal fashion.
Pretty much the whole appeal of a reboot from a business perspective is that there's already a built-in audience. So, taking it in this direction is an obviously-poor business move.
Someone who worked on Steven Universe once said "If you can recognize the character, it's on-model". Somehow, this show managed to limbo under even THAT incredibly low bar. If no one told me this was supposed to be Thundercats based on the designs alone, I never would have guessed.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 Because the whole team behind Steven Universe didn't believe in using reference sheets or checking their previous work. Despite MAKING reference sheets for every character. And then they hid behind the guise of "Oh, the constantly changing proportions and lack of consistency is part of the intended artstyle~!"
@@AkameGaKillfan777 They did. The staff of steven universe made the storyboards, and they then sent them to the studios to be animated. So the studios just animated the storyboards.
The characters in this show look like parodies of the Thundercats characters that you would see in OK KO Let's be Heroes...but that would be an insult to OK KO because when they introduced Captain Planet, he at least looked like Captain Planet. These don't look like the Thundercats characters, they look like how a four year old who only saw one image of the original cartoon on Google Images once would draw them
In defense of Teen Titans Go, the chemistry between the characters in the original show was good enough for comedic writing that it lend itself well to become a comedy. There was none of that in the original Thundercats. Sure, Tygra was written to contrast with Lion-O and be a sort of rival or lancer and the little guys, I don't know their english names, were fun and could easily be thrown into dangerous situations but there was never something that would make you think "yes, these characters would make a great comedy" unless you had, potentially ideologically induced, mental problems.
Very Nice Name that might be true but honestly people seemed to think the chibi titans from the dc nation block is more of a style and humor that most people wanted back when that show was in the works but then it became teen titans go and people did try to give that a decent chance, that show then belittled them, and they lost the older audience, just not the group of small kids watching, which is dwindling currently because those kids are growing out of that humor while CN and Warner are trying to see if they can strike lighting twice except they’ve done it like 4 times now, it’s why they still flood the schedule for CN with ttg, same currently goes for thundercats too now, the real problem is not their making the show the way they are for the most part, it’s that not only is it not respecting the fans who are the reason the shows even being rebooted but it’s not respecting the IP that gave them their current jobs. plus thundercats doesn’t have a huge amount of fans already and that’s if you include all the older fans, if you cut them out you lose even more in terms of keeping not only the show but IP itself alive, it’s not a huge brand in comparison to teen titans, power puff girls, or ben ten. and maybe that’s not much because i didn’t watch the 80s show until very very recently (i wasn’t born when it first came out) and i only watched thundercats 2011 growing up and until today i hadn’t seen the 80s show for it but it’s always important to care for an Ip if your making a reboot, if that property didn’t get big in the first place i doubt they’d be making the same show if making one at all and that also means their currently being paid to remake this older property, if your gaining something from remaking an older thing you owe the Ip at least a bit of respect, this isn’t a parody, they’re not even trying to claim it is, their saying their show is better and everybody else’s is shit basically, that alone proves they don’t respect a property enough to where they should be able to use it. at least in my opinion anyways.
" and the little guys, I don't know their english names, were fun and could easily be thrown into dangerous situations" - I assume you're talking about WilyKat (the male one) and WilyKit (the female one).
@@DianaGohan Yeah. I knew those were their individual names but I don't know what are their name as a group is. IIRC they were called mininos or something like that in the latinamerican dub but I never checked what they were called in english.
And this same modern-day Time Warner that destroys everything it touches is rebooting Animaniacs, originally a *Steven Spielberg* creation lovingly crafted by masters...
The 90s have a lot of wacky cartoons full of surrealism and gross-out humor. You could say thank you to Ren and Stimpy for turning the Golden Age of Animation into a parody.
There’s being off the wall and wacky, and then there is “ADHD kid after having too much sugar and binging memes” (I have minor ADHD that was not meant in a offensive way). The latter pretty much describes a lot of modern CN.
Walt Disney once said “You’re dead if you aim only towards kids. Adults are only kids grown up anyways”. I feel that’s a very important quote. FiM got a lot of love from the adults due to topics like: death, disabilities, diseases, ect. Lauren Faust had an awesome intention with G4, and MLP: FiM will NEVER, I repeat, NEVER die.
There ie also a fundamental rule to anything:if you try to aim for something specifically, you still cannot make it annoying for everyone else". If you make a show just for kids and no one else, it should still at least be watchable for adults. You cannot gate people out like that. Of course, there are exceptions, like you cannot exactly make an 18+ movie for kids, but you know what I am getting at.
Here's how I think the "Calarts" thing began. Someone was watching all these shows and noticing the bean smile. They then decided that this particular art style needed a name. But either they were too stupid, or more likely too lazy, to come up with an original name and went online to find any name that they felt could match what they were going for. They then saw John Kricfalusi use the word "Calarts" and decided to call the art style that, not looking any deeper into the meaning of the word and therefor not realizing the context of it's usage.That's my theory, anyway.
While OK KO didn't look good, I actually have a history with the show, as I grew up reading the authors webcomic years and years ago. Breaks my heart to hear he got shafted for this.
Can’t wait for that reboot of transformers! The one where Optimus Prime and the Autobots are acting like 80s teenage girls in one episode, like they are made of glass another and a third where they reveal themselves to actually be humans, controlling their machines with a joystick! Gonna be great with that reboot!
I barely survived their first episode. Oh god, all those horrible faces, all those bodies covered in oil, all those unfunny jokes. (I just laughed with the mecha Snarf, just because it was really random). I don't want to see that again
You have triggered me with the line "bodies covered in oil" and I haven't even seen this trash fire. I have however seen the TTS Custodes and heard enough from them to shiver in disgust and terror.
And that is funny coming from someone that has Giygas as they're profile picture. And Giygas was meant to look horrifying. So It's bad when there are creatures that look worse than Giygas.
@@reasyrandom Boomers and Millennials putting aside their differences to fight bad cartoon reboots. ...I'd watch a movie based on that, and pay double the admission price.
I hate the art style, not because of the bean smiles, but because it looks like a children's crayon drawing This seriously feels like a parody cartoon from 2009
AMEN to your final statement! This is why everybody keeps saying, 'Take notes from Ducktales, CN!,' because they know how to appeal to both newcomers and fans of the source material, whereas these 'comedic' reboots don't. Now, I never had any personal attachment to Thundercats, so I hate this more as an animation fan. Although, I did watch several episodes of the original series not too long ago and I thought it was decent. Haven't seen the 2011 reboot yet, but I plan to check it out. I could barely get through the first episode of TCR and I'll never watch another episode again. I may have already said this a billion times over, but what the heck: *Go watch "MaoMao: Heroes of Pure Heart" instead!* It's a much better comedic Thundercats than TCR could ever hope to be.
Remember when CN had that Mad tv cartoon show, and one of the shows they parodied was Thundercats? The one that was filled with outdated early to mid 2000 memes? Yeah, that's still way better than... whatever Thundercats Roar is.
The skit in a teen titans go Halloween episode where they dressed as Thundercats characters and then did a puke version of the "ho" was better than this.
I still remember it fondly because I was young at the time and I thought it was hilarious. The memes were dead even then but at least they were funnier than this shit.
It... Actually is a plot point in the old and reboot series that the Sword of Omens is normally the size of a knife until Lion-O transforms it. But apparently Roar never established that.
Just watching the clip I can see what he means by it fluctuating size. Even if it was established it would probably not stay consistent if they can't even do it in the same scene.
It also changed randomly mid scene. He's not wrong about it's size not being consistent on it. Sometimes in the scenes he showed it goes from proper size to being the the size of someone's kneecap. I believe in the original he had to do the chant to make it grow but that's just me not being old enough to have watched the OG thundercats.
@@morphstarchangeling8024 Yeah, it would grow when he said "Thunder, Thunder, Thunder!" But this show it looks like The Sword of Omens is dagger size most of the time.
I think it would be more accurate to refer to the art style with elements such as bean smiles and bean heads, the rarity of sharp edges, and generally squishy and shiny builds as the "Bubble Bean style". Edit: I make a comment on what a better term for the general art style of 2010s cartoons would be and now the replies are full of bickering about butthurt 90s kids and "Nuh-uh the art styles are different!". Shouldn't have expected anything else from the internet :/
The fact that people still bring it up at all irritates me (most likely to an irrational level I'll admit), because even though these shows use similar elements in their character designs they are still all visually different and you could easily distinguish one from another. But people still treat it like it's a flawless complaint and it's just a blanket excuse to say a show looks like garbage even if it doesn't.
Comic style. They took the ideas of Sunday comic style simple lines simple 3/4 view. It works in a way because both serve the purpose of being to be mass produced for tight deadlines.
@brandon roberts Technically it is stylized compared to realism, though I'd go one step beyond and say its made worse by the lack of variety and general over saturation of using the tropes.
CN, Disney and Nick are all fucked now lmao... I can't believe I watch the shows when I was growing up in the 2000's and it's more of a distance memory :'( FUCK ALL OF THE TV NETWORKS!
That's absolutely terrible. Give Teen Titans Go some credit; at least the makers of that show, while they admitted they didn't watch the original, admitted that they thought it was good. At least they could appeal to people who like comedy... sometimes. But the fact that this show's creators actually admitted the show was meant to be hated is Powerpuff Girls 2016 levels of despicable, where they kept Craig McKracken and Tara Strong in the dark, neutered the spirit of the original, swapped a more rational sexy character with a sexist strawwoman and had so much god damn twerking. I'm not sure if Thundercats Roar was that disgusting, but like Mr. Enter said, if you don't want to make Thundercats, DON'T MAKE THUNDERCATS, DAMN IT!
Is anyone really surprised about that? TTG is basically the show equivalent of someone who "doesn't care", so much so that they have to constantly say how much they don't care. If they wanted to have their own identity and just be a silly, stupid show and ignore "da haterz" they would've fucking done it after the first callout episode. Once is forgivable, twice is annoying, consistently is just pathetic. They forsake their own audience to flip one they don't want the bird. That's not a show. That's a rant at best and a lot of whining at worst.
@Luigicat11 I’m just smashing the like button on this one. You took the words right out of my mouth. I find it laughable how people who defend TTG use the “they don’t care/they at least know what they want to be” argument to defend the show as if it’s somehow worthy of respect. If they really didn’t care, then why did they make at least 9 episodes responding to critics? Also, from what I can gather, even some of their own fans got bored with the show and all the “critics response” episodes because they just wanted a story and not a rant.
"The creators of Thundercats Roar wanted to make an ass out of the franchise. And honestly, every frame from this show looks like they wiped theirs with it." Like you said, you're FAR ahead of schedule because that is one of my favorite quotes of the decade already. Remember what you said in your top 10 worst 2010s cartoons video? How PowerPuff Girls felt like intentional sabotague meant to sour peoples' memories of the source material? I'm sure that's also the case here.
As someone who watched the original, thundercats was an action show with OCCASIONAL comedy. the tone was by and large serious at least by the standards of the time. the 2000's reboot was even more so.
fun fact, a lot of companies will hire animators from countries such as south korea for super cheap to basically animate the show for them, hence why you have shows like this and steven universe where the animation is mostly static and sometimes, even often off model, because usually these animators are just handed the storyboards and told to work from there and if your storyboard isn't consistent with proportions then the resulting animation sure as hell won't be either. not that it's the fault of the animators, they're just trying to do their job. so basically if you're watching a cartoon and it gets to the credits and a lot of asian sounding names start popping up (and you're not watching something like anime where it originates from an asian country anyway), then chances are what you watched was produced this way, because it's cheap and makes meeting deadlines much easier. talent isn't really considered anymore, it's about churning out as much content as possible as quickly as possible to make as much of a profit as you can.
@@ratboythin8870 Well, Steven Universe does purposefully not have model sheets to give storyboard artists more freedom with expressions but I get what you're saying.
@@CGI_Lantern i wouldn't say "reboot". i would call it more of a continuation/spinoff. and the creator, mr. warburton, wanted this to happen, so it wasn't like the powerpuff girls reboot where there was no involvement from craig
Dear Cartoon Network: Stuff like this is why you're dying. Stop trying to make cheap rip offs of TTG. If you're going to make a reboot of an action cartoon, makes it an action cartoon.
@@herosshade2247 I've heard the channel's rating are at record lows, Cartoon Network has lost it's soul and it's clear they don't know what do about it. With Steven Universe, Gumball, and KO ended, we're entering a new wave of shows and nothing is really sticking well with anyone with the one exception being MaoMao. That's one show, out their ENTIRE line-up. Combine that with the MADNESS that is TTG Marathons airing literally everyday...yeah, it a bad scene man. As a person who grew up in the Cartoon Friday/CN city Era, it's unbelievably sad to see the channel in this state.
@@marshallthomasiii6091 "and nothing is really sticking well with anyone with the one exception being MaoMao. That's one show, out their ENTIRE line-up" Infinity Train, Apple and Onion, Craig and the Creek, and Victor and Valentino would like a word with you. Stop acting like Mao Mao is the only good show left.
@@crfstewarje I'll admit I forgot Infinity train got a second season, Apple and onion is just a mini series last i checked, Craig is...ok, nothing to write home about though, and I' haven't seen Victor and Valentino but I liked the pilot so I'll give you that one. That's three in my book then, point still stands regardless that the Network is in rough shape ratings wise. Your right healing is being done I'll admit, but I think everyone agree that show like THIS is the absolute last thing we need right now. No more cheap reboots man, no more...
@@crfstewarje I don't think Infinity Train is getting another season and Apple and Onion, Craig of the Creek, Victor and Valentino, and even Mao Mao don't air enough for people to remember them all the time. I personally think Mao Mao and Victor and Valentino are great shows but I constantly forget about them because CN rarely airs them. Or at least, whenever I watch TV, they're not airing them.
Of course he would say that after they slid him a paycheck. Harrison Ford begged for Han Solo to be killed off ever since Empire and he hated the role, yet lo and behold he shows up in RoS because money.
"I'm not behind schedule, I'm far ahead of schedule" well even if you end up being wrong, at least you were aware of why people would perceive this as late lol
@@herosshade2247 Probably they were either high as a kite to notice or too greedy to give a fuck about what children wanna see these days. That just shows how the fuck they show NO clear respect for their intelligence at all.
Can Japan take over Cartoon Network? Japan makes genuinely great stuff and CN's ratings would probably skyrocket once TTG gets _a lot_ of its time slots taken away and they're given to good shows.
@@47ratsinahoodie its Not Japan that makes the art its the people that actually care and put time writing the stories the people that made this show, simply didn't care they had no story they wanted to tell, they just wanted a paycheck. At least with Adventure time, and some of the weirder shows, it was clear they had a story they wanted to say, Gravity falls had a story it wanted to tell. When a writer or animator has a story they want to tell they put everything in it. When an Animator wants a check and has no passion for the story they put out this. Till they can make a story they want to tell
@@wolftitanreading5308 Then can Japan take over Cartoon Network and then hire dedicated animators? Is that better? I mean, you're totally right. People with dedication make better work or at least work with more emotion.
The thing that annoys me most about the whole "it's not made for you, it's for kids" argument is that it's not kids buying the merch - it's parents and nerds. The latter especially when it comes to the expensive collector merch.
There is a place for 80s cartoon parodies. There is a place for rampant absurdity. But you have to put effort into both, otherwise what you get is a shallow, mean-spirited cash grab. Random humour can be funny--it can! But it is hard to do. Very hard. You could do a very funny Thundercats parody, probably. You could have them struggle with genuine cat impulses--have Mumm-Ra lead them around with a laser pointer. Have Lion-O be very lazy, like an actual lion. You could point out the inherent absurdity that someone named "Mumm-Ra, the Ever-Living" spends all of his time hanging out in crypts and trying to kill a bunch of furries rather than doing anything useful with his immortality. But this...yeah, no.
@@aidanquiett668 Furry Force? You mean that series of animated shorts by CollegeHumor? Honestly, that series was just one big "Har har, furries are gross!" joke. The only thing I kind of liked was the new addition in the second episode looking like Scrappy-Doo.
@@isobelmiller7464 The third one gets way more interesting then that. Basically time travel and the threat of earth being destroyed ending with everyone being killed in spectacular fashion
Robot Chicken did that. When one of them dies, they get him taxidermied. Meanwhile Cheetarah goes to 'take a bath' and she's there licking her arm with her leg in the air. "I thought you were bathing-" "I am-"
@@SpamEggSausage It's rated TV-PG, so aimed a bit more at Middle Schoolers. Then again a lot of us grew up with the Harry Potter books/movies, all of which had blood in them.
12:00 Rise of TMNT isn't an example of an action cartoon being successfully turned into a comedy though, because TNMT already had a lot of comedy AND Rise looks amazing as an action show. All the other examples ditch the action part almost completely.
@@timbermicka Dada evolved into a nice thing, but it was originally the art-equivalent of shitposting. As in, "I won't give meaningful things into a world in war, fuck you!"
1. His name is Lion-O 2. Cal-Arts is a meme used by people who've never actually researched the California Institute of the Arts and its vast art direction. Just me being a nitpicking asshole lol
It's not CalArts, but I can honestly say I'm not a fan of the post 2010 overly simplified limited art style. I also dislike the overly simplified limited art style used between the 1950s & 1970s, such as in the Halloween special "Witch's Night Out." I also don't like animes where everyone has one of two faces & their hair is the only way you can tell them apart, & nothing has shadows or highlights. While I didn't like the idea behind the She-Ra reboot, I can at least give that show credit for having a palatable art style.
I cannot agree more, dude! I LOVE Ed, Edd'N Eddy! One of my FAVORITE cartoons ever! It SERIOUSLY needs a complete DVD Collection!!! Why didn't it get one when the show's run originally ended!? Seriously! The actual Teen Titans cartoon from 2003 needs a complete DVD Collection too, as well as the movie, "Teen Titans: Trouble In Tokyo".
@@shawnfields2369 I am pretty sure Teen Titans from 2003 has all Seasons, including Trouble in Tokyo movie on DVD. I have all five seasons of TT in my animation collection. But didn't buy the movie unfortunately. 😒
@@Asaylum117 If it does have every season, including the Trouble In Tokyo movie, that would be good to hear. You didn't buy the movie? Why not? I mean, I'm not going to judge you or anything, as I love that movie. It sucks how such an amazing show like Teen Titans(2003), can end on a cliffhanger. Just, no. I believe the Trouble In Tokyo movie IS how it ended. They defeat Slade, one final time, rescue Terra, Terra and Beast Boy end up together, and the Titans enjoy their vacation in Tokyo. And, I believe Starfire and Robin end up together too. Also, the original voice actor for Cyborg came back to play Cy in Injustice and Injustice 2, and even says, "Booyah!", when he fires his giant arm cannon. And, him and Robin(Nightwing), have special intro and outro dialogue, I think Raven might too. But, she's not played by Tara Strong in the Injustice series, for some reason... also, I don't own any season of the Teen Titans. My stupid PS4 CAN'T play DVDs now, for some reason! So, even if I wanted to watch the series again, (which I most DEFINITELY WANT TO), I can't... not even the movie. A movie like Trouble In Tokyo should've gotten a theatrical release. It had Ron Perlman, reprising his role as Slade(Deathstroke), one final time. Unless he was also in the Toddler Titans Go Away! movie? Sorry you don't have the movie. It's better than me, not having ANY season of the show, AND not having the movie, at least... I don't even know if I can still call myself a fan of the series, if I don't even own any seasons of the show and the movie, which I've seen a lot. I've been to Japan myself, about 19 years ago. That's ok though. You can buy the movie, once this pandemic shit ends. Which it DEFINITELY will. And, we'll be able to go out and buy them, sometime I guess. Even if i can't watch it, at least owning every season and the movie would at least be better than nothing, you know? Owning every season of the best superhero cartoon to ever exist, plus it's finale movie, is better than the opposite, NOT having ANY season of the Teen Titans or it's amazing movie. Sorry you didn't buy the movie, but that's ok. You're still able to call yourself a real fan of the series. And, I'm sure the day WILL come where we can buy the movie. When this crazy ass crisis shit calms down, you know? Which it will, not overnight, but I believe it will. Mr. Enter himself helped me believe that. ADoseofBuckley also helped me believe that too. It's ok. We'll get a chance to see the movie, and maybe one day, I'll get to own the entire series, and the movie, on something I can watch them on, too. And you will too, dude/lady. I believe that. I believe you'll be able to own the movie too, is what I mean.
@@shawnfields2369 I was able to buy all 5 Seasons on Amazon. I even did a unboxing video at one point, where I was able to showcase the shows DVD's. My biggest worry was that my PS3 won't be able to run the series, because of region locks. I live in Europe and most DVD's from US don't work on my PS3. But thankfully Teen Titans did. So I can enjoy watching my favourite animated show anytime I want. I even own the complete series of Batman Beyond, which is another favourite show of mine. Also Spectacular Spider-Man, Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, classic Tom & Jerry, Samurai Jack. Spectacular Spider-Man and Samurai Jack are on Blu-Ray though. But what pisses me off the most is that a lot of good shows such as Teen Titans, Spectacular Spider-Man and Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes get unfairly cancelled and replaced by awful quality versions of the existing IP's. For Marvel, because they want to market the living shit out of the MCU. For DC, they basically focus their real animated talents on physical movie media, but when it comes to their animated shows. Aside from Young Justice, their line up of shows are just dull and boring.
@@Asaylum117 Oh, man, I LOVED Batman Beyond! As well as the Justice League cartoon, with John Stewart as the Green Lantern, and Samurai Jack too, which I LOVED too, didn't see the reboot though. I thought it was just trying to be edgy at first. But then, i hear it's awesome, how a reboot SHOULD be done, and I'm all like, "w-what? This reboot is GOOD?! Holy fuck, i HAVE to watch this!" Unfortunately, I still haven't, sorry about that. Spectacular Spider-Man, another amazing(pun INTENDED), with an amazing(pun NOT intended) theme song. Wasn't that also the Spider-Man played by Drake, from Drake and Josh? Another good show. I never got to see Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, because it was canceled, I love classic Tom And Jerry, grew up with that too, I'm a HUGE superhero fan. Of both DC and Marvel, I love the MCU movies, and all the Marvel movies, Ant-Man, Black Panther, the Thor movies, the Iron Man Trilogy, the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies, with Tobey Maguire, and the Tom Holland Spider-Man movies too. Even saw the last Spider-Man movie in theaters, I love DC'S movies too. Even Batman V Superman, and Suicide Squad(which I guess invalidates my opinions now, oh no), I saw both movies in theaters, and I loved both movies. I know, you don't, and that's ok. I loved the MCU movies. Especially the Avengers Trilogy too. The last of which, I saw in theaters. When the movie ended, literally EVERYONE in the theater, myself included, got up and clapped and cheered. Sadly, I didn't get to see Young Justice, before it was cancelled. I don't 100% agree that DC'S lineup of shows are boring, but they're nowhere near as good as Marvel's. I loved the Adventures Of Batman & Robin cartoon from the 90s, when I was a little boy, growing up. Sorry, that you may not have. I live in Vegas, in the USA, with my mom. Because I have epilepsy, and I can't live on my own. I also have type 2 diabetes too. It's annoying, but I know sitting around whining like dspigroach isn't going to solve anything. I may not agree with you that DC'S lineup is shit, but I don't think it means that we can't be amicable about this either. It just means we enjoy different things, that's all, dude. Doesn't mean we can't still talk about how much we love shows like Batman Beyond, and The Spectacular Spider-Man.
Much like Teen Titans Go! insulted those who hated their show in the episode "The Fourth Wall". I mean, my God, how is that show still going?? It's almost on it's sixth season, which the original show never got, and it even got a theatrical release, while Teen Titans ended it's fifth season on a cliffhanger, and only got a tv movie and a straight to dvd sequel to fight their reboot doppelgangers! Why are people slaves to Teen Titans Go!?! I will never understand it! It is a mindboggling mystery! An outrage I say!
the CalArts name isn't about the actual school itself, just the look of those shows, their aesthetic. CalArts is a bad term for it though, obviously because people keep conflating it as having to do with the actual school. I agree that the phenomenon exists, but I don't know of a better name to call it.
Doesn't help that many of the shows slapped with that non-insult look nothing alike when you don't deliberately draw a misleading gif a la "Every Sonic character is a Sonic recolour somehow!" bullshit.
@@ElFreakinCid but they do look the same, same color paler same animation themes. In the same show all sonic characters from the same world looking the same, there is a in universe reason they look the same. This type of art style is like if you made a Mario cartoon where every character was sonic recoloured in Mario cloths. It’s not just these exact shows either the ugly simple art style is every animation now. Sure they are all not cal arts but I could grab Netflix originals recent adult swim and other cartoons and show you random pics if you didn’t know the show you’d swear they were all from one. That’s the complaint people have. Sure gum ball was a good show but when they have 5 other shows that look exactly the same it’s not considered a good thing.
There's such a fine balance in making a reboot. I agree with Mr. Enter here; a reboot, ANY reboot, has two jobs: 1. Respect the original content and fans. No matter what, if you take something that has a history and slap a new coat of paint on it, even if you change EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT IT, you will ALWAYS have the baggage of the original fans. Do yourself a favor and DO NOT insult them. 2. Initiate new viewers so they can feel comfortable in getting into a series without needing to know every bit of history attached to it. When they know it's a reboot or continuation of something, they may be hesitant to get into it because there's just so much more to deal with than they thought. They don't want to feel like they're missing out. This is a very difficult thing to do. To the point where it really is NOT worth doing these days. The only reason why we're seeing so many reboots is because it's easy, it's profitable through name recognition. However a lot of the time, people who don't even care about the source material are put onto the show, and their pettiness and contempt for the project sines through in everything they do with it. Even Xiaolin Chronicles struggled with being a reboot, ESPECIALLY since they couldn't get the rights to the names of the Shen Gong Wu. You have shows like this and She-Ra actively fighting against and insulting the fans of the original work. Then they wonder why these shows don't sell toys or earn an actual profit.
Ok ko, had a artstyle that was really dirty and grungy looking, that's what made it unique imho. Thundercats on the other hand looks like complete garbage.
A good example of a successful reboot of an action show into a comedy show that was both successful and well liked is Harvery Birdman Attorney at Law. It's because they took these characters are put them in mundane or even silly situations. It's funny to have a superhero that works in an office, but still takes everything seriously. If they did that approach with Thundercats it might have worked.
@marianne mccrank I have a friend who now works from home and he was dreading this reboot before it even came out. Keep in mind he is a lot older than me btw. He grew up with Thundercats, not me.
I love how you brought up that Ed Edd and Eddy episode at the beginning of the video, Mysterious Mr. Enter. That's actually one of my favorites, I put it at number four on my top 10 favorite episodes of Ed Edd and Eddy
"If you don't want to make Thundercats, why the hell are you making Thundercats?" I thought everyone already knew the answer to this one: Media businesses like reboots because they feel safe coming back to something tried and true rather than launching something new which has no history, thus no guarantee of success. The real question is why none of them have picked up on reboots so often failing due to alienating fans of the original, and not standing on their own, thus not doing much for newcomers either - all of which makes them clearly far from a safe bet, and maybe means they have things going against them which new ideas don't.
My thoughts: Your thoughts you said might be "controversial"...I agree with them completely. Why change something so much it's not even recognizable anymore? Why not just create a new franchise inspired by the one they're "rebooting" instead? When mentioning good reboots, I'm disappointed you didn't mention She-Ra and the Princesses of Power. It's a pretty damn good show. Although I've never seen the original, I thoroughly enjoyed it and look forward to the final season next month. I'm also surprised you didn't mention the crossover with Teen Titans Go (although you showed clips of it) where they had the Original Lion-O from the cartoon afterlife saying "Thundercats Roar is a worthy successor, and anyone who says otherwise is a poop mouth with poop opinions (those exact words), then Snarf saying nobody cares about him, or the 2011 version of Lion-O who's standing next to him (as well as Panthro's corpse, who's Voice Actor is dead)......I'm not too familiar with the franchise, but that's a pretty rage-inducing scene IMO.
Don't complain about Cal-Arts, complain about terrible writing and direction. If a show's drawn in a "CalArts" style and sucks, it probably would've still been bad if it were drawn differently.
@@librathebeautifulwarmonk1283 Season 2 artstyle looks nothing like the previous seasons but I hope the next season might going back to its original route.
There is a reason why action oriented cartoon with good animation are less common in the west than say action oriented anime in the east. And it's a problem that affects both industries differently. In the west animators get paid fairly, and because of that, good animators are fairly expensive, and excecutives don't like that. In Japan, animators can be paid with food... This is not a joke. Animators are, because of some weird laws, outside minimun wage laws. This means companies can pay them less than the minimun wage if they want. Remember the Simpsons joke about their show being animated in Korean sweatshops, that's because Japan animators had already been taken. This is why even the most good looking animes are still miles cheaper to produce than your standard CN cartoon, because they don't need to pay their employees a fair amount. That being said, it can be debated that the west is over paying its animators for below average work, and should expect more for what they pay them. In short. If we want better looking cartoons, we should start paying animators less, even the good ones, and Japan and Korea should include animators in the minimun wage laws, just so they don't starve to death.
Even then, the way the animation industry in the west seems to treat creators and workers (like the Making Fiends incident, for one), along with the likelihood of executives straight up being lazy cheapskates, when it comes to ratings and profit margains, it kind of almost devalues the comparatively higher pay they get, when they essentially can get shafted at any minute, for not being run into the ground, for some tyranical boss' own gain.
@@retrogamelover2012 But the thing is. Those tyranical bosses don't give a shit what happenes to the end product because their revenue isn't at all affected. They can loose millions and still be afloat.
The art style is so generic. It looks like it was made by the same person who made Big City Greens and literally every other cartoon with a similar art style
Thundercats roar reminds of old newgrounds animation in a way. An amateur looking parody made in someone's free time, except people somehow got paid to make Thundercats Roar and it looks worse than a newgrounds animation. Imagine if you're favorite series got canceled and 10 years after nothing they announce a new series and its just some goofy parody that appeals to no one, and worse, even goes out of its way to point at the screen and openly shit on old fans because they dont like this new thing. Thats Thundercats Roar. Im not even a Thundercats fan, never really watched any Thundercats, but I've been in the fandom's shoes many times over the past few years with all these franchise reboots. I know what this feels like all too well. Our favorite things has been co-opted by people who open express disinterest, ignorance, and even contempt for all these old things we loved. They get to walk away with a paycheck and we're left their steaming shit. The supposed "new younger audience" they chase after hardly ever likes these things anyway so what was it all for? Just to be spiteful?
Yeah, seriously. It's like someone took a piss on the animation cels, and storyboards, at the same time. And then, they thought they could get away with calling this piece of shit "Thundercats". Yeah, NO.
@@eatatjoe Yeah, just LOOKING at any scene of that godawful garbage reboot hurt my eyes, and almost gave me a seizure. It burned my eyes though, dude/lady.
I saw the trailers on CN and my only thought was “Goddamn... even the CHARACTERS are outlined in brown!” Seems kinda depressing, especially for a kids show
I know that the sword of omens is supposed to shrink when not in use and grow to it’s true size when the famous line is said, but that is just unacceptable
My issue isn’t with CalArts style, even if I don’t personally enjoy it. My issue is that it doesn’t fit Thundercats. Amazing World of Gumball fits the CalArts style, and even then the show drifts away from it all the time.
Thank you for pointing out the major same face syndrome. People say that this artstyle is ok because it allows the designs to be different and unique but theu never actually are unique from each other.
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“What, you don’t know what a Thundercat is?!”
No, and clearly CN doesn’t either.
Yup
Agreed
At the very least the hipster they handed the show to doesn't.
Sarasaland Subserviant Agreed
Motion passed. I think Cartoon Network doesn't understand that if you put a show on for hours on end it's going to get ratings even if it's terrible.
"The animation is awful"
Me: "It doesn't seem so bad"
_Brings up the sword_
*Oh god*
This was legitimately my exact thought process while watching this.
I swear, I don't think there's a single frame of that sword at any other angle.
Please bring back Connie's sword even though she hardly used it
MrThatguyuknow
Same!
Sometimes you could argue they are trying to do perspective (foreshortening) with less than ideal success, but others...
It's annoying when you have a real critisim with it, people are quick to say "it's just nostalgia blindness" or "it's for kids, not for you."
It's almost as if they have no real argument and just reach for the easiest thing
My Little Pony is also for kid, that point is invalid
Easiest counterargument for the latter; yea sure it was made for kids, but it was made BY adults. adults that should know better.
The best counterpoint is simple, if you aren't going to care about the fans of the original, why rebooting something in the first place?
@@silverdamascus2023
THANK YOU.
Say it louder for the people in the back.
What really pisses me off is that decide a good idea for a joke a year after the death of the orginal Panthro voice actor Earle Hyman they show a decompsoing skeleton Panthro as a joke. The show was planned out in 2018 Hyman died in November 2017, absolutely disgusting.
Andrew Keyes yes that is really tasteless
Just disgusting
And on top what this is showing Kids who Watch this (OK they might not know that the Voice-actor died) but still it sends out the Message it’s OK to make tactless Bad Taste Jokes about People who died?! That’s not a great Message
dear god that is in poor taste
Hoo boy, did Victor "Man Bun too Tight" Courtwright outdo Rian Johnson for Cunt of the Century there. The sheer balls of that podunk fuckboi who shouldn't be allowed in the field of entertainment ever again. If this was TTGo taking the piss out of the passings of Bob Hastings or Efrem Zembilist Jr, DCAU fans across the board would demand everyone from the now exited James Tucker and Christina Miller's heads on a pike
Whether its already canned or the Wuhan Plague, TINO is a crime against humanity
80's kid here, I love the original ThunderCats. Had all the toys, the lunch boxes, the posters, Etc. Loved the 2011 reboot, but of course it got canceled because Cartoon Network doesn't know its own ass from a hole in the ground. Thundercats Roar is an abomination. The worst resurrected corpse of a generation X property I've ever seen.
I never liked the original Thundercats and found it really boring. Though I'd take that over this heinous monstrosity.
Tony Griego yeah I...find THIS reboot boring
@@YujiUedaFan Same
@@Crystal_Dylan Even if he were acting like that, it's certainly better behavior than acting like someone took a dump in your coffee just because you read someone's opinion, and don't like it. 😂
Wait... Didn't the 2011 show air in Nicktoons? I remember it airring on the Nicktoons Network.
Or maybe I'm confusing it with another Reboot. :o
To clarify the 2011 reboot wasn't canceled due to low viewers. Despite CN constantly shifting it all over the place it still had good ratings. CN canceled it cause they could do Chima, get a deal with lego (cause toy sales are all that matter), and make more money off it cause they'd own the rights to it as opposed to using Thundercats.
No wonders chima reminds me of Thundercats...
And then they gave that the stick after three seasons as well. HA. What is with da Cartoon Network and ending shit after three seasons.
@@lorddrayvon1426 like how disney has a 4 season limit for shows
@@hexnight trend setters.
@@lorddrayvon1426 even shows like phineas and ferb had 4 seasons, despite lasting for 8 years
I don't hate the "calarts" style as much as some people seem to, as long as the shows that use the styles are visually distinct enough to be easily told apart. Compare Star Vs to Steven Universe, for instance. But this show is one of the worst looking I've ever seen. Lion-O doesn't look like his own character- he looks like the aforementioned Steven Universe suffering from jaundice.
Legit I was so cknfused when I saw Lion-O
I've never watched Thundercats outside of watching the intro. But why the fuck is his hair like that?? I thought this was some Boruto bullshit with Lion-O's son
At least those series are consistent...ish.....more than Thundercats or Ttg
@@python1972 Ikr
@@krspaceT1 I wouldn't call SU consistent but the other "Calarts" shows I agree
Timmy Reobed sure but like he was saying “calarts” was never actually a thing it was much more like a stupid meme that got way out of hand and some stupid people say that it’s still everywhere like that all cartoons still look the same
Jesus Christ this show’s incompetence looks on par with season 10 Fairly Odd Parents.
At least the character designs in season 10 FOP are not horrible to look at and don’t shit on the designs from the older seasons despite the actual animation in terms of movement being complete shit. This show shits on the 80s and 2011 incarnations and I don’t get who would watch this version over the 2011 version. The 2011 one looked like a legit reboot and what a reboot should be at least when it comes to updating the designs and settings and at least kept the appropriate tone when it comes to a action drama show.
Thundercats roar is the best
@@zebraterabyteztproductions9595 The best at what? XD
@@TheGoldenDunsparce The best at being awful. XD
Accurate
But it's still better than The Adventured Of Kid Danger
Could not agree more about the "reboot should appeal to its fanbase" statement. You know why Sonic the Hedgehog gets so much praise despite being just an okay movie? Because the makers appealed to the original fanbase. Yes, it's a new Sonic in a new story and yes he does also appeal to the youth of today using modern tropes and trends, he freaking flosses, but any Sonic fan can go and watch the movie and will understand that the creators wanted to take something from the original source material and make it modern, not tell a random story with a Sonic skin slapped onto it.
Indeed, and there's also some "fanbase references" if you pay attention and know "DeviantArt sonic." Like, these creators either are genuine fans themselves or really did their research.
@@catholiccontriversy They're new fans who did their research...which is more than the writers from Colors onward have done for the games since 2010. HEYO!
Amen to that.
Sonic would totally floss on Eggman. It's well within his character to meme on Eggman every chance he gets, especially if it blows up the Death-Bot-of-the-Week.
Sonic pretty much has a good history of reboots carring the same spirit anyways. You guys remember the disaster hat was sonic 06? That still has its fans because it was made for people who already knew the series and the characters.
This show is giving me strong: "Ten to thirdy second long fan animation made by someone not having much experience with both drawing and animating on tumblr, that later created a youtube chanel just to post it and get maybe 5 to 30 likes" vibes.
And the comments are all weird bots or turned off.
@@eatatjoe Ad the recommend videos are weird Arabian kid channels and sub count live stream things by Russian accounts.
@@daredrogers3884 Oh, definitely.
Oddly specific.
Dared Rogers Oh so much.
When Snarf is the least awful and least hate-able thing in your adaptation of Thundercats, you know you might’ve done a terrible job.
Yep.
Ikr
@@zzz43344 Right, dude/lady, right, amen.
@@zzz43344 Oh, ok. Nice to meet you, dude. I'm a dude too.
Yeah Snarf is pretty cute.
"Every reboot of any franchise should care about the fans of the original version."
This is why Ghostbusters 2016 didn't work, because they didn't care one bit about the fans of the original and were only interested in the audience they were intending to target. Shows like this are proof that some people still apparently have not learned this lesson.
And the sad thing of it is that they already had a roadmap on how to do a more diverse Ghostbusters team in the form of Extreme Ghostbusters all the way back in 1997- if they'd gone and made THAT into their movie, the pre-existing fanbase would've been popping champagne corks in short order. See also the Jem and the Holograms movie from 2015, which would've probably at least made its budget back if they'd had the Misfits in more than just a post-credits scene.
@@christianwright5874 There are like 5 different ghostbusters teams that would fit the role better. Hell, if they wanted a spin off, do some kind of meet up between the real ghost busters, extreme ghostbusters and original movie ghostbusters (the originals training the rest) about them all needing to work together and fight ghosts across the entire country! At least then we could have had a fun movie that would have hit every ghostbusters fan's favorite characters and paid respects to the full franchise
This is also why reboots like Thundercats 2011, DuckTales, MLP:FiM and several TMNT series worked so well, and why recent anime reboots like Devilman Crybaby, GeGeGe no Kitaro 2018 and the new alternate take on Digimon Adventure have worked so well, it's clear that the people making them have a lot of love for the original product and respect for not just existing fans, but also any potential new ones. Meanwhile, Thundercats Roar was literally, no exaggeration, made by someone who openly hates the original Thundercats AND the 2011 reboot, hates the fans of those shows even more, and believes kids don't need anything smarter than loud noises and bright colours in their entertainment, and it fucking shows.
@@ElFreakinCid I originally didn't like the Thundercats 2011 reboot just cause of the characters' personalities but I did enjoy watching it and I didn't feel like it disrespected the source material. I was actually sad when it got canceled cause eventually, I got over myself. Like that was legit a good show, especially the way it grew up the same way the fans did instead of dumbing everything down and it felt like somebody actually gave a shit
Not care? Not care?! The creators of Ghostbusters 2016 *hated* (or at least were petty and spiteful) towards the fans!
This, honest to God, looks like an internet series/spoof.
From early 2000s Newgrounds, maybe. Most modern parodies have animation better than this.
@@herosshade2247 True, though I was talking more like "the very first animation series." One someone makes as their very first but afterwards is used as nothing more but an animation of what not to do.
Llamas with hats has better animation that this, and the llamas never move
@@doyga5977 Very True.
Looks like if MAD TV entered the TTG realm and said let's go with Thundercats
I'm not angry at this remake's existence because "It ruined my childhood." I didn't grow up with the 80's series and I only watched the 2011 series back in middle school. I'm angry at this because Cartoon Network took another beloved franchise, and turned into another cheap, lazy, cash-in that pisses off more fans than actually engages them. Children aren't idiots, yet these cartoons treat them as such. The only thing these things serve is to turn them into brain-dead idiots in the future. And while I'm not as angry as other's are at the "CalArts Style", this one looks downright ugly and amateurish.
I'm also pissed that instead of continuing the 2011 Thundercats reboot, they rebooted it again! After watching the first episode of this piece of crap, I went and rewatched the episode "Song of the Petalars" to remind myself what good Thundercats looks like.
Another insulting aspect of this garbage is that they did a crossover with "Toddler Titans" right after this episode, where they literally insulted the fans of both the original and the 2011 reboot by saying they have "Poop mouth with poop opinions". Made worse is that they made the original voice actor for Lion-O say that. And without a doubt the most insulting thing they did is when they made fun of Panthro's old voice actor's death by literally showing a skeleton of his character. Insulting the fans is one thing, but insulting a dead man who hasn't done anything wrong to you is another. They should be ashamed of themselves.
Thundercats Roar might as well give Dora The Explorer a run for it's money.
I hate this show because of the one TTG episode.
@@YujiUedaFan That's another Animated Atrocity.
@@jturner2577 Enter showed a few scenes from the crossover episode with TTG & T-Cats Roar (with appearances of the 1980s and 2011 versions of T-Cats). I'll make sure to have my snacks ready when he review that one, if he does.
kristof gergely Agreed
You wanna see the good version of this show, watch Mao Mao: Heroes of Pureheart.
Yup
Yet the show is stuck at 31 episodes and instead of making more episodes for that amazing show, they make a 3rd terrible reboot. First Teen Titans Go(which is pure stupidity), PowerPuff Girls 2016(which was just bland), and now this trash heap.
@@notqwertist5213 Yeah...
@@zzz43344 Geez, kids deserve better than this.
@@notqwertist5213 Agreed
"$10,000 in debt."
John, did you lose a bet against Possum Reviews?
Fritz Philogene II
Naw, he lost a bet against Pasadena Opossum. He bet that he could beat her in eating a jar of peanut butter quicker than her. She cheated with her tail
@@TheArceusftw you're right. A crossover between the both of them would be great, though.
Nah. Nicktendo robbed him
The lemmings from Norm blackmailed him.
@Lord Of Vengeance no?
Things about this show that make me ESPECIALLY depressed...
-The creator of the show openly hated the old show and was still given the rights to it
-Someone looked at that hideous, HIDEOUS artstyle and, with all seriousness, said "Yes. That's good."
-The voice actors of this actually WOULD be good in their respective roles if it was a more serious cartoon, but get the most random-lol-derp lowbrow humor instead
-People actively expressed their hatred for this show, Cartoon Network debuted it with no fanfare, and yet it insists on sticking around, even going so far as to bend over backward to kiss its own ass and crack VERY tasteless jokes
-There are people who LEGITIMATELY defend it despite its shallow mediocrity and unashamed jackassery
I think the show is okay not as bad as TTG
@@zebraterabyteztproductions9595 at this point its no better considering they pull the stunts of bashing those with legit criticism.
Seriously this comes to show its all one giant circle jerk of gaslighting anyone with legit problems with the show and when it gets cancelled HOPEFULLY the creator will blame sexist men or racist white people or something to excuse this terrible drivel of a show
@@CurtyTails I am convinced most of these nu artists get in because of nepotism.
Because this guy's work looks like he failed art school but he knows a second cousin in HR at CN so got the job.
The creator claimed to be a Thundercats fan in one thing I saw, but even if he did say that it's a damn lie.
They defend it because they hate the people who don't like it.
Just recently I learned that the show runner is the creator of "Pickle and Peanut" so yeah, that explained everything to me. Basically he turned the Thundercats into a reskinned version of his canceled shit-show.
Ooohhhhh no....
Go figure...
The creator of Pickle & Peanut also made Almost Naked Animals.
@@isobelmiller7464 Once again, go figure...
@@isobelmiller7464 He also made Fish Hooks.
I can’t believe that show was even green-lit.
I can.
I thought it died before release...
After Cartoon Network squandering their brief and glorious comeback by constantly showing TTGo instead of Adventure Time or Regular Show, this doesn’t surprise me at all.
krspaceT1 That’s what everyone prayed for. Lol
I think Cartoon Network wanted another Teen Titans Go! to boost average viewers.
Boy that quarantine episode of Ed, Edd n' Eddy sure is a lot funnier now... now if you excuse me, I need to sell my body to pay what I owe to the vacuum cleaner and my dog.
You 're going to lap dance for your Vacuum?
@@Anonymous-xt8zu I think he's gonna suck the vaccum.
@@KaiKrimson56 not if she sucks him, first
@@Anonymous-xt8zu Then they can just 69. That's a win-win for both of tthem.
@@KaiKrimson56 for sure
The writing is just awful
“BUT ITS FOR KIDSSS”
So was a heap of other shows and they had better writing than this trash fire
Infinity Train
Care bears
Transformers
Gumball
Powerpuff girls
Chowder
Owlhouse
Ducktales
Voltron Force
Symbyotic Titan
Teen Titans
Ed edd n Eddy
Anphibia
Adventure Time
TMNT (2006)
AND SO MANY MORE KIDS SHOWS WITH GOOD WRITING I DIDN'T EVEN NAME!
@@dragonempress8367 spectacular Spider-Man, super hero squad, Earth's mightiest heroes
@@dragonempress8367 some of them aren't for kids though
godot I mean Steven universe is a writing atrocities an yet it could still go on that list
@@darkmatter1721 I weep for spectacular spider-man
Hell even with this “calarts” style, even OK KO looks more unique despite having this art style in comparison
That’s because OK KO did the most it could with its art and animation, despite it being a somewhat weaker aspect of the show.
Owen Keys exactly. They do make up the weak animation with the expression showing that the animators were capable of delivering fast paced comedic energy despite the subpar budget that Cartoon Network gives them
OK KO has way better animation and designs than this
Enimo lol deadass
Enimo it’s just that I can heavily sense that Thundercats Roar is trying to be like OK KO
I never really thought the "CalArts" style was that horrible of a design. Overused yes but horrible, not really. In this instance, this show looks God awful and mind numbing. And insulting the original fanbase of the franchise did not help this show in the slightest.
I need to stress that what people call "CalArts" style changes each decade. John K created the term to mock the art style of The Iron Giant a movie that he hates because everyone loves it but he had nothing to do with it. After that it was picked up by other people to refer to the "Disney style" and for the last couple of years it's been used to describe the bean head style that became popular in Western Animation. I need to stress a few things. 1: Each decade in animation does end up having a popular style, this is true just as much for anime as it is for American cartoons. I can tell an 80's and 90's cartoon or anime apart from a modern one because of the difference in art style. 2: the definition of CalArts style changes and it's always "Whatever is popular right now" and right now people use the term "CalArts" to refer to either the bean-head or the nerdy character you see in Dreamworks and Disney/Pixar animated movies.
I have no real like or dislike for cal-art style (I’m more of a fan of the Disney/Don Bluth artstyle myself), but I gotta day I’m getting sick of EVERY western animated cartoon using this style. It’s like I’m the ‘90’s when almost every cartoon had the Klasky Csupo-sequel design even on shows I liked like Rugrats, Hey Arnold, and The Wild Thornberries.
I would call it 2010's standard.
DawnOfTheOzz The design itself isn’t terrible, but a lot of shows nowadays, uses it as a way to cut corners and/or to catch audiences’ attention. “If you loved Adventure Time and Regular Show, then you would love reboots of older properties in their styles right?”
Agree
"Stop talent scouting on Tumblr!"
Goddamn fire, and it's just _SO TRUE._
Many would argue Teen Titans go was a critical failure too, it just hasn’t financially been a failure as well and they had to sacrifice like half the network to accomplish that.
Cause it's cheap to produce. Same as this
Finiacally it's paid off sure and the Theaterical movie was surprisingly pretty good. But the show itself and the DTV movie are meh.
I mean it's the same reason Jhonny Test survived for like 5 seasons. It was so cheap to produce it was able to sustain the network until adventure time. Teen titans go was that but it actually made money.
Unfortunately for CN ttg isn't exactly a spongebob where it can survive past a generation.
@Strider Xanthos Mostly merchandising. CN doesn't do cartoons that they don't think will get young preteen males to buy merchandising off of. Sometimes there might be exception I guess? Because I honestly dunno their decisions making process for shows like Uni kitty or Steven universe.
But yeah TTG sales a lot of merchandise, and this might be do to it riding the superhero trend boom we've been having. Though the hero trend is probably going to end pretty soon as the new decade counties.
This is why Omni says that they sacrificed half the network to make this money making machine. TTG mostly worked because marketing, but that work they put in to raising this show to it's financial heights, was at the cost of putting a lot of shit in one basket. TTG is a mule they've basically worked almost to it's death and I assume Thunder cat Roar was going to be their new mule to pump out more merchandise. Though this is mostly speculation so take it with a grain of salt.
@Strider Xanthos Dunno. in the case of Transformers the profits for merchandising would be split for that particular show.
In Bakugan's case I doubt CN, had any merchandising rights? I dunno, all i know is the only work they'd had to do was localization, so it was probably just a cheap alternative.
This looks like an OK KO ripoff, also literally half the faces are “uwu” faces
Ikr
Al X. Andra Indeed, the director for OK KO knew what he wanted the show to be, so the art style worked well. But with the direction of Thundercats Roar, it suffers as it feels like it would be more akin to flash then ‘hand-drawn’ animation.
Liono literally looks like KO
In KO when characters are off-model it's usually for comedy, not because the artist doesn't know how to keep a character on-model to save their lives.
at least KO's face is consistent
The art style just looks ugly, and not in a 'its drawn to look ugly' way, I mean ugly as like it came from a place of just horrible, spiteful, mean spirited, kind of ugly. My niece watched this show and the art style scared her. I am not joking.
On a side note, If they wanted to make a show that mocked Thundercats and similar action animations of the 80's then I say go for it, there's plenty of material there, but you didn't have to use the Thundercats for that. Also I have no complaints against the animation, being an animator myself, but the art style is just disgusting, This is supposed to be for kids, my kids wont even watch it.
@Sneaky Snek Even then, the writers would have to be knowledgeable of the source material and be thick-skinned, which these incompetent hacks aren't.
Funny you should say that: the showrunner's brother apparently loved Thundercats, but he hated it, so he only took this job to piss his brother off. If that's true, then it's the She-Ra situation all over again, only 10x worse. :/
@Muse Suse Your point?
@@meb4224 I am not aware of the She-Ra situation but at least She-Ra is nice to look at with some great visual imagery, and my daughter loves She-Ra, its colourful well animated and pretty harmless. But this Thundercats show is nothing like that its just ugly, really ugly. But we gave it a shot though, my kids wont be watching it again for sure lol.
weed bad, go away now
Thundercats Roar: You've gotten soft in your old age.
Thundercats 2011: Something far worse has happen to you.
The problem is than the only argument to defend this cartoon is "You are just blinded for nostalgia and hate everything isn't your childhood"
That argument is used for any shitty reboot that's obviously made for a quick buck.
Al X. Andra Same, I have no preference for the series as a whole, I haven’t watched any of the past series yet I still don’t like this show
@Al X. Andra I saw maybe 1 epsidoe of the 2011 remake and this show is just bad.. like it's the ugliest show I've ever seen and I don't think I'm exaggerating
Claudio Carrión Rojas well before these reboots come out that argument is pretty valid but other than that it’s not
@Al X. Andra Same
Y'know it's funny, Thundercats was an 80s show so it was heavily discouraged for characters to go off-model, meanwhile Thundercats Roar is the exact opposite and has characters go off model so often that you'd wonder if there were even model sheets at all.
To think Hazbin Hotel, an animated short made on an internet budget has better animation than this hidgher budget cartoon... Say what you want about Gumball or Steven Universe, but the budget clearly shows in the effects, the music and the animation. Not here.
For even smaller budget series Gwain Saga by GeoExe and for a fair use yet still hilarious romp Warhammer 40K if the Emporer had a text to speech device by Bruva Alphabusa.
Dick Figures is better than Thundercats Roar. Better animation, better characters, better comedy, and that’s with ACTUAL STICK FIGURES!!!!
Though, yeah, Hazbin Hotel is flawless and incredible!
It's not about budget. It's about caring and general knowing what you are doing.
@@ligtningdog6399 as someone in the Animation Industry - its 100% about budget. I worked on a movie where every artist involved knew it looked like shit but it was the best that could be done with those time constraints... (The movie is Princess Emmy and her Horses btw, its as cringy as it sounds)
@@ayior this was done by one dude and what is effectively a shoestring budget: ruclips.net/video/BpplTgNAqZU/видео.html
Funny how we went from talking about coronavirus straight to Thundercats Roar
They're both viruses
There's a difference? :o
@@MartenFerret it's simple, one slowly kills you and the other is called the coronavirus.
Well at least he has putting some videos out there
Ah yes, the cats movie of 2020 so far, unless someone makes a emoji movie sequel
"Everything 'splodes someday" is on the level of "I'm the Avatar, you gotta deal with it"
@John Bues Yep, first episode and appearance
@@FantasyDepression there are better ways to show a character being brash-plus maybe...not make that...the first thing they say on screen? First impressions are important-it made her come off as arrogant and the whole thing came off as a little disrespectful to how much work that goes into an avatar mastering the 4 elements much less even knowing how to do 3 out of 4 of them like it was nothing WITHOUT ANY TRAINING! Nobody had even tracked her down as the avatar yet do the people she is around could only teach her water bending in any capacity.
It made her come off as too arrogant and annoying and too well off in terms of bending in terms of challenge.
And as mysterious mr enter already went into-air bending should have been an element she should have mastered easily if any of them-fire bending should have been more difficult to learn or hell her own flesh and born ability-water bending should have been more difficult-and the latter option would have been interesting hence she should be born a waterbender as that’s the next in the avatar cycle which would likely lead to insecurities and perhaps bullying which then leads Korra to suddenly earth bend accidentally when angry at someone and trying again and again to waterbend-which would then give way to brash nature and arrogance. THAT is how you introduce a character that is brash and arrogant but still keeping them empathetic and somewhat likable
@@CurtyTails I mean to be fair, she was like 4.
TCR Lion-O: I’M THE REAL LION-O AND YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH IT!!!!
Original Lion-O (yes, it was in the actual show): You’ve just proved to be that ThunderCats Roar (not the early 2010s reboot) is a worthy successor and anyone who says otherwise is a *poop mouth with poop opinions.* 😈😈😈😈
At least Korra's animation was much better. Even the Hitchhiker's Guide was more respectful about the world being demolished, and the Vogons blew it to make way for a highway in space!
Finally someone said it.
Sure, fans when they get a bad reboot, can sometimes complain too much, the new version is still bad but they throw more hate than it deserves, not realize that the original is still there for people to enjoy, your childhood was not ruined.
But a good counterpoint is that if you are going to make a reboot and instead of try to please fans of the original, you're just going to make fans of the original pissed, why rebooting it in the first place? Reboots are so popular because they want to use the fans of the original to kickstart it and exploit nostalgia, if you are not going to give fans of the original something, do something new instead.
Going back to your first point of the fans complaining too much, when people say their childhood is ruined, they don't mean it in a literal sense. Yes, people are fully aware they can still go back and watch the original. Their actual childhood memories in and of themselves aren't tainted. It's just a way to phrase disappointed in how something beloved from childhood can be twisted into something so empty that doesn't represent anything about what you loved. Or in the more comedic sense, someone drawing more "adult" or rebel/punk-like art of such franchises - I used to really like the "ruining your childhood" pages on Facebook, for example.
So yeah, that something "ruined your childhood" is a cliche and a little cringe thing to say, but c'mon, don't act like people are completely unaware that they still have the original, or that they meant that in a completely literal fashion.
@@HexManiacQuinn In other words, it's a straw man fallacy to create drama.
Pretty much the whole appeal of a reboot from a business perspective is that there's already a built-in audience.
So, taking it in this direction is an obviously-poor business move.
its called steven universe ass hat
@@killerbee1974 Oh piss off grasshopper.
"Don't reboot an action show to be a pure comedy" That's all
Rise of the TMNT did a great balance of action and comedy well.
Yeah, even the Ben 10 reboot didn't do this, they atleast had a fight each episode
@@johnnygallagher5718 the original TMNT already was a mix of action and comedy.
"If it's a remake of a classic, rent the classic!" - Jay Sherman
Someone who worked on Steven Universe once said "If you can recognize the character, it's on-model". Somehow, this show managed to limbo under even THAT incredibly low bar. If no one told me this was supposed to be Thundercats based on the designs alone, I never would have guessed.
How did that person get a job again?
@@AkameGaKillfan777 Because the whole team behind Steven Universe didn't believe in using reference sheets or checking their previous work. Despite MAKING reference sheets for every character. And then they hid behind the guise of "Oh, the constantly changing proportions and lack of consistency is part of the intended artstyle~!"
@@ElFreakinCid I've heard that they'd outsource the show to different animators.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 They did. The staff of steven universe made the storyboards, and they then sent them to the studios to be animated. So the studios just animated the storyboards.
The characters in this show look like parodies of the Thundercats characters that you would see in OK KO Let's be Heroes...but that would be an insult to OK KO because when they introduced Captain Planet, he at least looked like Captain Planet. These don't look like the Thundercats characters, they look like how a four year old who only saw one image of the original cartoon on Google Images once would draw them
In defense of Teen Titans Go, the chemistry between the characters in the original show was good enough for comedic writing that it lend itself well to become a comedy.
There was none of that in the original Thundercats. Sure, Tygra was written to contrast with Lion-O and be a sort of rival or lancer and the little guys, I don't know their english names, were fun and could easily be thrown into dangerous situations but there was never something that would make you think "yes, these characters would make a great comedy" unless you had, potentially ideologically induced, mental problems.
Very Nice Name
that might be true but honestly people seemed to think the chibi titans from the dc nation block is more of a style and humor that most people wanted back when that show was in the works but then it became teen titans go and people did try to give that a decent chance, that show then belittled them, and they lost the older audience, just not the group of small kids watching, which is dwindling currently because those kids are growing out of that humor while CN and Warner are trying to see if they can strike lighting twice except they’ve done it like 4 times now, it’s why they still flood the schedule for CN with ttg, same currently goes for thundercats too now, the real problem is not their making the show the way they are for the most part, it’s that not only is it not respecting the fans who are the reason the shows even being rebooted but it’s not respecting the IP that gave them their current jobs.
plus thundercats doesn’t have a huge amount of fans already and that’s if you include all the older fans, if you cut them out you lose even more in terms of keeping not only the show but IP itself alive, it’s not a huge brand in comparison to teen titans, power puff girls, or ben ten.
and maybe that’s not much because i didn’t watch the 80s show until very very recently (i wasn’t born when it first came out) and i only watched thundercats 2011 growing up and until today i hadn’t seen the 80s show for it but it’s always important to care for an Ip if your making a reboot, if that property didn’t get big in the first place i doubt they’d be making the same show if making one at all and that also means their currently being paid to remake this older property, if your gaining something from remaking an older thing you owe the Ip at least a bit of respect, this isn’t a parody, they’re not even trying to claim it is, their saying their show is better and everybody else’s is shit basically, that alone proves they don’t respect a property enough to where they should be able to use it.
at least in my opinion anyways.
" and the little guys, I don't know their english names, were fun and could easily be thrown into dangerous situations"
- I assume you're talking about WilyKat (the male one) and WilyKit (the female one).
@@DianaGohan Yeah. I knew those were their individual names but I don't know what are their name as a group is.
IIRC they were called mininos or something like that in the latinamerican dub but I never checked what they were called in english.
@@loliH9 Their group name as they are siblings are the Thunderkittens.
Comedy reboot could only work as a series of robot chicken-like sketches between other cartoons.
ThunderCats Roar is one of those shows that give wacky cartoony cartoons a bad image.
Ikr
And this same modern-day Time Warner that destroys everything it touches is rebooting Animaniacs, originally a *Steven Spielberg* creation lovingly crafted by masters...
The 90s have a lot of wacky cartoons full of surrealism and gross-out humor. You could say thank you to Ren and Stimpy for turning the Golden Age of Animation into a parody.
I'd say Ed Edd n Eddy is also worth your time. That show has some awesome slapstick, fourth wall breaks, and adult jokes.
There’s being off the wall and wacky, and then there is “ADHD kid after having too much sugar and binging memes” (I have minor ADHD that was not meant in a offensive way). The latter pretty much describes a lot of modern CN.
Walt Disney once said “You’re dead if you aim only towards kids. Adults are only kids grown up anyways”. I feel that’s a very important quote. FiM got a lot of love from the adults due to topics like: death, disabilities, diseases, ect. Lauren Faust had an awesome intention with G4, and MLP: FiM will NEVER, I repeat, NEVER die.
Sounds kinda boring.
Pindé™️ What?
@Skeeter Mania. In short, I love MLP:FiM due to the fact that it spoke to kids and adults.
FIM is cancer. The first gen was the best. The first one was geared to males and females but Hasbro only cares about females with the new stuff.
There ie also a fundamental rule to anything:if you try to aim for something specifically, you still cannot make it annoying for everyone else". If you make a show just for kids and no one else, it should still at least be watchable for adults. You cannot gate people out like that.
Of course, there are exceptions, like you cannot exactly make an 18+ movie for kids, but you know what I am getting at.
At first, we thought it was laughed out of production.
And then it came back.
...And now it's probably going to be laughed out of production.
Corona-chan's seeing to that
I said that for the last few reboots. I won't hold my breath.
Nah, that implies the show is funny.
Here's how I think the "Calarts" thing began. Someone was watching all these shows and noticing the bean smile. They then decided that this particular art style needed a name. But either they were too stupid, or more likely too lazy, to come up with an original name and went online to find any name that they felt could match what they were going for. They then saw John Kricfalusi use the word "Calarts" and decided to call the art style that, not looking any deeper into the meaning of the word and therefor not realizing the context of it's usage.That's my theory, anyway.
So...they stabbed OK KO in the back to make way for this trash. Great.
While OK KO didn't look good, I actually have a history with the show, as I grew up reading the authors webcomic years and years ago. Breaks my heart to hear he got shafted for this.
@@TheDapperDragon that is just heresy
How Perfect. -_-
@@TheDapperDragon What's that webcomic he made?
@@isobelmiller7464 rpgworld.keenspace.com/
You might recognize Hero from his cameo on the show, (according to the website, S1E30, "A Hero's Fate")
Can’t wait for that reboot of transformers! The one where Optimus Prime and the Autobots are acting like 80s teenage girls in one episode, like they are made of glass another and a third where they reveal themselves to actually be humans, controlling their machines with a joystick!
Gonna be great with that reboot!
Please tell me your joking...
I'm sick of mute Bumblebee.
Michael bay: WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!
@@YujiUedaFan yes me to I don't understand what that whole thing was about why people seem to think it was appealing
@@YujiUedaFan
He was given his voice back in some more recent shows.
I barely survived their first episode. Oh god, all those horrible faces, all those bodies covered in oil, all those unfunny jokes. (I just laughed with the mecha Snarf, just because it was really random).
I don't want to see that again
Heck,I'm not even into Thundercats anyway.
You have triggered me with the line "bodies covered in oil" and I haven't even seen this trash fire. I have however seen the TTS Custodes and heard enough from them to shiver in disgust and terror.
Did you know that the supervising director in Thundercats roar was one of the Spongebob writers, Nate Cash
Yeah...
And that is funny coming from someone that has Giygas as they're profile picture. And Giygas was meant to look horrifying. So It's bad when there are creatures that look worse than Giygas.
“What, you don’t know what a _Thundercat_ is!?”
My dad: You’re 35 years too late CN
Me: you’re 9 years too late CN
Oh, did your dad grow up with the original ThunderCats?
Isobel Miller yep you bet
I love when generations come together to fight a common enemy.
@@isobelmiller7464 Is not that weird. Kids in the 80's are now adults with 40-50 years, and therefore is really common to see them with "childrens".
@@reasyrandom Boomers and Millennials putting aside their differences to fight bad cartoon reboots. ...I'd watch a movie based on that, and pay double the admission price.
I hate the art style, not because of the bean smiles, but because it looks like a children's crayon drawing
This seriously feels like a parody cartoon from 2009
AMEN to your final statement! This is why everybody keeps saying, 'Take notes from Ducktales, CN!,' because they know how to appeal to both newcomers and fans of the source material, whereas these 'comedic' reboots don't.
Now, I never had any personal attachment to Thundercats, so I hate this more as an animation fan. Although, I did watch several episodes of the original series not too long ago and I thought it was decent. Haven't seen the 2011 reboot yet, but I plan to check it out. I could barely get through the first episode of TCR and I'll never watch another episode again. I may have already said this a billion times over, but what the heck: *Go watch "MaoMao: Heroes of Pure Heart" instead!* It's a much better comedic Thundercats than TCR could ever hope to be.
What channel or service is MaoMao on?
@@csmead209 MaoMao is on Cartoon Network
@@brianlevine871 Oof...the irony.
Remember when CN had that Mad tv cartoon show, and one of the shows they parodied was Thundercats? The one that was filled with outdated early to mid 2000 memes?
Yeah, that's still way better than... whatever Thundercats Roar is.
The skit in a teen titans go Halloween episode where they dressed as Thundercats characters and then did a puke version of the "ho" was better than this.
I still remember it fondly because I was young at the time and I thought it was hilarious. The memes were dead even then but at least they were funnier than this shit.
The Scientifically Accurate video on Thundercats was better than Roar.
@@Matkaizer08 Oof
“I still don’t understand any of this...”
It... Actually is a plot point in the old and reboot series that the Sword of Omens is normally the size of a knife until Lion-O transforms it. But apparently Roar never established that.
if the sword sizeshifts, the show could at least done a better job with it.
Just watching the clip I can see what he means by it fluctuating size. Even if it was established it would probably not stay consistent if they can't even do it in the same scene.
It also changed randomly mid scene. He's not wrong about it's size not being consistent on it. Sometimes in the scenes he showed it goes from proper size to being the the size of someone's kneecap. I believe in the original he had to do the chant to make it grow but that's just me not being old enough to have watched the OG thundercats.
@@morphstarchangeling8024 Yeah, it would grow when he said "Thunder, Thunder, Thunder!" But this show it looks like The Sword of Omens is dagger size most of the time.
But there's gotta keep an animation of the sword changing size, rather than it being a sudden thing!
I think it would be more accurate to refer to the art style with elements such as bean smiles and bean heads, the rarity of sharp edges, and generally squishy and shiny builds as the "Bubble Bean style".
Edit: I make a comment on what a better term for the general art style of 2010s cartoons would be and now the replies are full of bickering about butthurt 90s kids and "Nuh-uh the art styles are different!". Shouldn't have expected anything else from the internet :/
That's a much better name.
How about "Chi-bean"?
The fact that people still bring it up at all irritates me (most likely to an irrational level I'll admit), because even though these shows use similar elements in their character designs they are still all visually different and you could easily distinguish one from another. But people still treat it like it's a flawless complaint and it's just a blanket excuse to say a show looks like garbage even if it doesn't.
Comic style.
They took the ideas of Sunday comic style simple lines simple 3/4 view.
It works in a way because both serve the purpose of being to be mass produced for tight deadlines.
@brandon roberts Technically it is stylized compared to realism, though I'd go one step beyond and say its made worse by the lack of variety and general over saturation of using the tropes.
Didn’t they do a whole teen titans go episode about how insecure the creators are? Where they insult the fandoms for not liking it the entire time?
They've done several. And with this piece of garbage, they got TWO EPISODES IN before doing the same.
Yeah… I prefer “Sonic Boom” than “Teen Titans Go!” sadly. Sorry.
@@spaceboyctstudios2934 As you should. Sonic Boom was a great show.
@@ethanedwards3357 Yep.😊
Two uploads in one day? Has Enter finally achieved 100% of his vast cosmic power?
Dr Bright “He is witnessing perfection.”
Fools. This is only 10%
It's easy when he spends 2 months without uploading
@@sikisikiamimis to be fair, I would take a break too after something like the Nick O Rama series
Dr Bright He’s still no match for Shaggy.
"I'm $10,000 in debt to one of the rodents in my front yard"
That's an odd way to address your landlord
What is he even spending his money on? Ramen, Mac & Cheese and Pizza?
FUCK UP all those motherfuckin' rodents and take your money back!
I think the maker of this show actually said in an interview he made this show to get back at his brothers who liked it growing up but he hated.
CN, Disney and Nick are all fucked now lmao... I can't believe I watch the shows when I was growing up in the 2000's and it's more of a distance memory :'(
FUCK ALL OF THE TV NETWORKS!
That's absolutely terrible. Give Teen Titans Go some credit; at least the makers of that show, while they admitted they didn't watch the original, admitted that they thought it was good. At least they could appeal to people who like comedy... sometimes. But the fact that this show's creators actually admitted the show was meant to be hated is Powerpuff Girls 2016 levels of despicable, where they kept Craig McKracken and Tara Strong in the dark, neutered the spirit of the original, swapped a more rational sexy character with a sexist strawwoman and had so much god damn twerking. I'm not sure if Thundercats Roar was that disgusting, but like Mr. Enter said, if you don't want to make Thundercats, DON'T MAKE THUNDERCATS, DAMN IT!
Funny how Teen Titans Go and Thundercats Roar legitimately had a collaboration and began to make fun of all the fans. Let that sink in.
teen titans go has had so many crossovers i wouldnt be surprised if marvel, dragon ball, or sonic end up having a crossover with teen titans go
CapitalChirp that’s just tasteless
I think OK KO got a Cross over with Sonic the hedgehog
Is anyone really surprised about that? TTG is basically the show equivalent of someone who "doesn't care", so much so that they have to constantly say how much they don't care. If they wanted to have their own identity and just be a silly, stupid show and ignore "da haterz" they would've fucking done it after the first callout episode. Once is forgivable, twice is annoying, consistently is just pathetic. They forsake their own audience to flip one they don't want the bird. That's not a show. That's a rant at best and a lot of whining at worst.
@Luigicat11
I’m just smashing the like button on this one. You took the words right out of my mouth. I find it laughable how people who defend TTG use the “they don’t care/they at least know what they want to be” argument to defend the show as if it’s somehow worthy of respect. If they really didn’t care, then why did they make at least 9 episodes responding to critics? Also, from what I can gather, even some of their own fans got bored with the show and all the “critics response” episodes because they just wanted a story and not a rant.
"The creators of Thundercats Roar wanted to make an ass out of the franchise. And honestly, every frame from this show looks like they wiped theirs with it." Like you said, you're FAR ahead of schedule because that is one of my favorite quotes of the decade already. Remember what you said in your top 10 worst 2010s cartoons video? How PowerPuff Girls felt like intentional sabotague meant to sour peoples' memories of the source material? I'm sure that's also the case here.
As someone who watched the original, thundercats was an action show with OCCASIONAL comedy. the tone was by and large serious at least by the standards of the time. the 2000's reboot was even more so.
The message to the audience for Thundercats Roar:
"You can work on a cartoon and never know what talent is."
Or passion, or effort, or creativity, or respect, or competence.
fun fact, a lot of companies will hire animators from countries such as south korea for super cheap to basically animate the show for them, hence why you have shows like this and steven universe where the animation is mostly static and sometimes, even often off model, because usually these animators are just handed the storyboards and told to work from there and if your storyboard isn't consistent with proportions then the resulting animation sure as hell won't be either. not that it's the fault of the animators, they're just trying to do their job. so basically if you're watching a cartoon and it gets to the credits and a lot of asian sounding names start popping up (and you're not watching something like anime where it originates from an asian country anyway), then chances are what you watched was produced this way, because it's cheap and makes meeting deadlines much easier. talent isn't really considered anymore, it's about churning out as much content as possible as quickly as possible to make as much of a profit as you can.
@@ratboythin8870 Well, Steven Universe does purposefully not have model sheets to give storyboard artists more freedom with expressions but I get what you're saying.
I will never forgive CN for greenlighting this but not G:KND
@@CGI_Lantern i wouldn't say "reboot". i would call it more of a continuation/spinoff. and the creator, mr. warburton, wanted this to happen, so it wasn't like the powerpuff girls reboot where there was no involvement from craig
Dear Cartoon Network: Stuff like this is why you're dying. Stop trying to make cheap rip offs of TTG. If you're going to make a reboot of an action cartoon, makes it an action cartoon.
Are they actually dying though? Seems they had enough profit to make a TTG movie
@@herosshade2247 I've heard the channel's rating are at record lows, Cartoon Network has lost it's soul and it's clear they don't know what do about it. With Steven Universe, Gumball, and KO ended, we're entering a new wave of shows and nothing is really sticking well with anyone with the one exception being MaoMao. That's one show, out their ENTIRE line-up. Combine that with the MADNESS that is TTG Marathons airing literally everyday...yeah, it a bad scene man. As a person who grew up in the Cartoon Friday/CN city Era, it's unbelievably sad to see the channel in this state.
@@marshallthomasiii6091 "and nothing is really sticking well with anyone with the one exception being MaoMao. That's one show, out their ENTIRE line-up"
Infinity Train, Apple and Onion, Craig and the Creek, and Victor and Valentino would like a word with you. Stop acting like Mao Mao is the only good show left.
@@crfstewarje I'll admit I forgot Infinity train got a second season, Apple and onion is just a mini series last i checked, Craig is...ok, nothing to write home about though, and I' haven't seen Victor and Valentino but I liked the pilot so I'll give you that one. That's three in my book then, point still stands regardless that the Network is in rough shape ratings wise. Your right healing is being done I'll admit, but I think everyone agree that show like THIS is the absolute last thing we need right now. No more cheap reboots man, no more...
@@crfstewarje I don't think Infinity Train is getting another season and Apple and Onion, Craig of the Creek, Victor and Valentino, and even Mao Mao don't air enough for people to remember them all the time. I personally think Mao Mao and Victor and Valentino are great shows but I constantly forget about them because CN rarely airs them. Or at least, whenever I watch TV, they're not airing them.
"What's That Noise?"
"I think it's Rankin Bass turning over in his grave!"
May God have mercy on the soul of the OG VA Lion-O who sold out and spoke in favor of ROAR and insulted everyone who disagree...
Of course he would say that after they slid him a paycheck. Harrison Ford begged for Han Solo to be killed off ever since Empire and he hated the role, yet lo and behold he shows up in RoS because money.
That's two different men.
Ever since TTG came along, Cartoon Network has been absolutely terrible when it comes to rebooting beloved franchises.
Hard to argue with that when looking at this shit, PPG, and Ben 10.
@@GSballreborn Ikr...
God yes.
R.I.P Cartoon Network
1992-2012
@@GSballreborn the Ben 10 reboot was trash in season one,but now it's better. It's not even close to the original's quality but it's average.
"I'm not behind schedule, I'm far ahead of schedule"
well even if you end up being wrong, at least you were aware of why people would perceive this as late lol
I thought they cancelled this after they announced it because everyone hated it.
It's basically in permanent rerun production limbo
So did I, but they must've found a way to bs itself through enough to air the show completely
That was high guardian spice, this however was green lit for i don’t even know why.
These reboots defy all logic, you think they'd abandon ship after everyone trashes it but they never go the fuck away.
@@herosshade2247 Probably they were either high as a kite to notice or too greedy to give a fuck about what children wanna see these days. That just shows how the fuck they show NO clear respect for their intelligence at all.
Japan: *gives us "Beastars"*
USA: *gives us... this...*
Can Japan take over Cartoon Network? Japan makes genuinely great stuff and CN's ratings would probably skyrocket once TTG gets _a lot_ of its time slots taken away and they're given to good shows.
@@47ratsinahoodie its Not Japan that makes the art its the people that actually care and put time writing the stories the people that made this show, simply didn't care they had no story they wanted to tell, they just wanted a paycheck. At least with Adventure time, and some of the weirder shows, it was clear they had a story they wanted to say, Gravity falls had a story it wanted to tell. When a writer or animator has a story they want to tell they put everything in it. When an Animator wants a check and has no passion for the story they put out this. Till they can make a story they want to tell
Beastars looks average NGL. Not bad but, not beautiful either.
@@wolftitanreading5308 Then can Japan take over Cartoon Network and then hire dedicated animators? Is that better? I mean, you're totally right. People with dedication make better work or at least work with more emotion.
Beastars and thundercats roar are both bad in my opinion, thundercats roar is just bad, and beastars is praised by furries which ruined it
Be careful gambling with squirrels, Mr. Enter. (They have their own mafia, and believe me, those guys are nuts!)
*facepalm*
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pfft
*Facepalm*
The thing that annoys me most about the whole "it's not made for you, it's for kids" argument is that it's not kids buying the merch - it's parents and nerds. The latter especially when it comes to the expensive collector merch.
There is a place for 80s cartoon parodies. There is a place for rampant absurdity. But you have to put effort into both, otherwise what you get is a shallow, mean-spirited cash grab. Random humour can be funny--it can! But it is hard to do. Very hard. You could do a very funny Thundercats parody, probably. You could have them struggle with genuine cat impulses--have Mumm-Ra lead them around with a laser pointer. Have Lion-O be very lazy, like an actual lion. You could point out the inherent absurdity that someone named "Mumm-Ra, the Ever-Living" spends all of his time hanging out in crypts and trying to kill a bunch of furries rather than doing anything useful with his immortality. But this...yeah, no.
Tbh, they could have just made furry force into a full show and it would be a better Thundercats parody...
@@aidanquiett668 Furry Force? You mean that series of animated shorts by CollegeHumor? Honestly, that series was just one big "Har har, furries are gross!" joke. The only thing I kind of liked was the new addition in the second episode looking like Scrappy-Doo.
@@isobelmiller7464 The third one gets way more interesting then that. Basically time travel and the threat of earth being destroyed ending with everyone being killed in spectacular fashion
Robot Chicken did that. When one of them dies, they get him taxidermied. Meanwhile Cheetarah goes to 'take a bath' and she's there licking her arm with her leg in the air.
"I thought you were bathing-"
"I am-"
“But it’s for KIDS!!!”
Yeah. So is Avatar the Last Airbender, Gravity Falls, Adventure Time and Regular Show. Kids 👏 aren’t 👏 stupid 👏!!!!
I don't think Adventure Time is for kids, I love it but I think it would be too weird for little kids
@@SpamEggSausage It's rated TV-PG, so aimed a bit more at Middle Schoolers.
Then again a lot of us grew up with the Harry Potter books/movies, all of which had blood in them.
12:00 Rise of TMNT isn't an example of an action cartoon being successfully turned into a comedy though, because TNMT already had a lot of comedy AND Rise looks amazing as an action show.
All the other examples ditch the action part almost completely.
"Degredating the concept of art for art" so Dadaism basically
Except.. Dada is a nice thing. The idea was quite funny
@@timbermicka oh I love Dada, it's my biggest art inspiration
@@timbermicka Dada evolved into a nice thing, but it was originally the art-equivalent of shitposting.
As in, "I won't give meaningful things into a world in war, fuck you!"
@@reasyrandom It was until I understood the connection between dadaism and shitposting, that I started appreciating the former.
"their body designs are different... in every fucking frame" that made me laugh alot harder than it should have
The Cal-Arts style of the series is so degrading that Lion-O doesn’t even look a lion, but rather a freaking goblin...
Dude, that's not CalArts. It's the bean-smile art.
Bombastic Brody The Cal-Arts must stops it’s enough! I say no! Fired Victor Courtright now
Ya Boi Da Gamer The Beanheads there are Fucking ugly
BallOfBlood That’s the spirit! That beanheads cartoon looks so ugly and dirty joke
1. His name is Lion-O
2. Cal-Arts is a meme used by people who've never actually researched the California Institute of the Arts and its vast art direction.
Just me being a nitpicking asshole lol
It's not CalArts, but I can honestly say I'm not a fan of the post 2010 overly simplified limited art style.
I also dislike the overly simplified limited art style used between the 1950s & 1970s, such as in the Halloween special "Witch's Night Out."
I also don't like animes where everyone has one of two faces & their hair is the only way you can tell them apart, & nothing has shadows or highlights.
While I didn't like the idea behind the She-Ra reboot, I can at least give that show credit for having a palatable art style.
Atleast with the She-Ra reboot, it looked like the staff on the series actually cared about She-Ra.
This show makes Superjail look good animation wise. I unironically have a greater appreciation for that mind fuck of a show now.
God, how I miss Ed, Edd n Eddy. 😭
Seriously, that show seriously needs a complete DVD Collection.
I cannot agree more, dude! I LOVE Ed, Edd'N Eddy! One of my FAVORITE cartoons ever! It SERIOUSLY needs a complete DVD Collection!!! Why didn't it get one when the show's run originally ended!? Seriously! The actual Teen Titans cartoon from 2003 needs a complete DVD Collection too, as well as the movie, "Teen Titans: Trouble In Tokyo".
@@shawnfields2369 I am pretty sure Teen Titans from 2003 has all Seasons, including Trouble in Tokyo movie on DVD. I have all five seasons of TT in my animation collection. But didn't buy the movie unfortunately. 😒
@@Asaylum117 If it does have every season, including the Trouble In Tokyo movie, that would be good to hear. You didn't buy the movie? Why not? I mean, I'm not going to judge you or anything, as I love that movie. It sucks how such an amazing show like Teen Titans(2003), can end on a cliffhanger. Just, no. I believe the Trouble In Tokyo movie IS how it ended. They defeat Slade, one final time, rescue Terra, Terra and Beast Boy end up together, and the Titans enjoy their vacation in Tokyo. And, I believe Starfire and Robin end up together too. Also, the original voice actor for Cyborg came back to play Cy in Injustice and Injustice 2, and even says, "Booyah!", when he fires his giant arm cannon. And, him and Robin(Nightwing), have special intro and outro dialogue, I think Raven might too. But, she's not played by Tara Strong in the Injustice series, for some reason... also, I don't own any season of the Teen Titans. My stupid PS4 CAN'T play DVDs now, for some reason! So, even if I wanted to watch the series again, (which I most DEFINITELY WANT TO), I can't... not even the movie. A movie like Trouble In Tokyo should've gotten a theatrical release. It had Ron Perlman, reprising his role as Slade(Deathstroke), one final time. Unless he was also in the Toddler Titans Go Away! movie? Sorry you don't have the movie. It's better than me, not having ANY season of the show, AND not having the movie, at least... I don't even know if I can still call myself a fan of the series, if I don't even own any seasons of the show and the movie, which I've seen a lot. I've been to Japan myself, about 19 years ago. That's ok though. You can buy the movie, once this pandemic shit ends. Which it DEFINITELY will. And, we'll be able to go out and buy them, sometime I guess. Even if i can't watch it, at least owning every season and the movie would at least be better than nothing, you know? Owning every season of the best superhero cartoon to ever exist, plus it's finale movie, is better than the opposite, NOT having ANY season of the Teen Titans or it's amazing movie. Sorry you didn't buy the movie, but that's ok. You're still able to call yourself a real fan of the series. And, I'm sure the day WILL come where we can buy the movie. When this crazy ass crisis shit calms down, you know? Which it will, not overnight, but I believe it will. Mr. Enter himself helped me believe that. ADoseofBuckley also helped me believe that too. It's ok. We'll get a chance to see the movie, and maybe one day, I'll get to own the entire series, and the movie, on something I can watch them on, too. And you will too, dude/lady. I believe that. I believe you'll be able to own the movie too, is what I mean.
@@shawnfields2369 I was able to buy all 5 Seasons on Amazon. I even did a unboxing video at one point, where I was able to showcase the shows DVD's. My biggest worry was that my PS3 won't be able to run the series, because of region locks. I live in Europe and most DVD's from US don't work on my PS3. But thankfully Teen Titans did. So I can enjoy watching my favourite animated show anytime I want. I even own the complete series of Batman Beyond, which is another favourite show of mine. Also Spectacular Spider-Man, Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, classic Tom & Jerry, Samurai Jack. Spectacular Spider-Man and Samurai Jack are on Blu-Ray though. But what pisses me off the most is that a lot of good shows such as Teen Titans, Spectacular Spider-Man and Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes get unfairly cancelled and replaced by awful quality versions of the existing IP's. For Marvel, because they want to market the living shit out of the MCU. For DC, they basically focus their real animated talents on physical movie media, but when it comes to their animated shows. Aside from Young Justice, their line up of shows are just dull and boring.
@@Asaylum117 Oh, man, I LOVED Batman Beyond! As well as the Justice League cartoon, with John Stewart as the Green Lantern, and Samurai Jack too, which I LOVED too, didn't see the reboot though. I thought it was just trying to be edgy at first. But then, i hear it's awesome, how a reboot SHOULD be done, and I'm all like, "w-what? This reboot is GOOD?! Holy fuck, i HAVE to watch this!" Unfortunately, I still haven't, sorry about that. Spectacular Spider-Man, another amazing(pun INTENDED), with an amazing(pun NOT intended) theme song. Wasn't that also the Spider-Man played by Drake, from Drake and Josh? Another good show. I never got to see Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, because it was canceled, I love classic Tom And Jerry, grew up with that too, I'm a HUGE superhero fan. Of both DC and Marvel, I love the MCU movies, and all the Marvel movies, Ant-Man, Black Panther, the Thor movies, the Iron Man Trilogy, the Sam Raimi Spider-Man movies, with Tobey Maguire, and the Tom Holland Spider-Man movies too. Even saw the last Spider-Man movie in theaters, I love DC'S movies too. Even Batman V Superman, and Suicide Squad(which I guess invalidates my opinions now, oh no), I saw both movies in theaters, and I loved both movies. I know, you don't, and that's ok. I loved the MCU movies. Especially the Avengers Trilogy too. The last of which, I saw in theaters. When the movie ended, literally EVERYONE in the theater, myself included, got up and clapped and cheered. Sadly, I didn't get to see Young Justice, before it was cancelled. I don't 100% agree that DC'S lineup of shows are boring, but they're nowhere near as good as Marvel's. I loved the Adventures Of Batman & Robin cartoon from the 90s, when I was a little boy, growing up. Sorry, that you may not have. I live in Vegas, in the USA, with my mom. Because I have epilepsy, and I can't live on my own. I also have type 2 diabetes too. It's annoying, but I know sitting around whining like dspigroach isn't going to solve anything. I may not agree with you that DC'S lineup is shit, but I don't think it means that we can't be amicable about this either. It just means we enjoy different things, that's all, dude. Doesn't mean we can't still talk about how much we love shows like Batman Beyond, and The Spectacular Spider-Man.
Thundercats Roar is so insulting they literally insulted people who hated their show in one of the episodes.
Oh my fucking God, it really is the new teen titans go..
you mean like teen titans go did multiple times?
Much like Teen Titans Go! insulted those who hated their show in the episode "The Fourth Wall". I mean, my God, how is that show still going?? It's almost on it's sixth season, which the original show never got, and it even got a theatrical release, while Teen Titans ended it's fifth season on a cliffhanger, and only got a tv movie and a straight to dvd sequel to fight their reboot doppelgangers! Why are people slaves to Teen Titans Go!?! I will never understand it! It is a mindboggling mystery! An outrage I say!
That doesn’t sound familiar at all
Why are more places doing that?
the CalArts name isn't about the actual school itself, just the look of those shows, their aesthetic. CalArts is a bad term for it though, obviously because people keep conflating it as having to do with the actual school. I agree that the phenomenon exists, but I don't know of a better name to call it.
One term I've heard is calling it the "Bean Head" style.
@@jrmloh lol that's a good one.
Doesn't help that many of the shows slapped with that non-insult look nothing alike when you don't deliberately draw a misleading gif a la "Every Sonic character is a Sonic recolour somehow!" bullshit.
@@ElFreakinCid but they do look the same, same color paler same animation themes. In the same show all sonic characters from the same world looking the same, there is a in universe reason they look the same. This type of art style is like if you made a Mario cartoon where every character was sonic recoloured in Mario cloths. It’s not just these exact shows either the ugly simple art style is every animation now. Sure they are all not cal arts but I could grab Netflix originals recent adult swim and other cartoons and show you random pics if you didn’t know the show you’d swear they were all from one. That’s the complaint people have. Sure gum ball was a good show but when they have 5 other shows that look exactly the same it’s not considered a good thing.
Lio Convoy will tel you that 'selling toys' wasn't entirely the main reason that 'Thundercats' was created, but it did get a toy line inspire of that.
It was an 80s cartoon, most of the known cartoon there was made so sell toys
The irony of transformers started as a comic first( which sold toys) then a toy centered series. So its an exception not the rule.
@@barrybend7189 'G.I. Joe' originated as a line of dolls in the 60's, but the 'G.I' Joe' we know today started out as a comic by Larry Hama.
@@inky5574 Yes, most 80s cartoons were made to sell toys. But most success ones had cartoons that were actually good cartoons.
@@ligtningdog6399 I know, just saying
There's such a fine balance in making a reboot. I agree with Mr. Enter here; a reboot, ANY reboot, has two jobs:
1. Respect the original content and fans. No matter what, if you take something that has a history and slap a new coat of paint on it, even if you change EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT IT, you will ALWAYS have the baggage of the original fans. Do yourself a favor and DO NOT insult them.
2. Initiate new viewers so they can feel comfortable in getting into a series without needing to know every bit of history attached to it. When they know it's a reboot or continuation of something, they may be hesitant to get into it because there's just so much more to deal with than they thought. They don't want to feel like they're missing out.
This is a very difficult thing to do. To the point where it really is NOT worth doing these days. The only reason why we're seeing so many reboots is because it's easy, it's profitable through name recognition. However a lot of the time, people who don't even care about the source material are put onto the show, and their pettiness and contempt for the project sines through in everything they do with it.
Even Xiaolin Chronicles struggled with being a reboot, ESPECIALLY since they couldn't get the rights to the names of the Shen Gong Wu.
You have shows like this and She-Ra actively fighting against and insulting the fans of the original work. Then they wonder why these shows don't sell toys or earn an actual profit.
eh thought xaiolin chronicles as a sequal series or did that get changed
Hey, i thought She-ra was good
@@train4292 Hey, I didn't say anything bad about She-Ra, I said the marketing surrounding the reboot was bad.
@@saiyanscaris6530 Ah, yeah. It's a sequel series, but in a way the problem still stands. Pardon me, haha.
To be honest,this cartoon looks like OK KO mixed with cheap nostalgia and chinese restaurant dumpster on saturdays
@SuperHankinsBros I honestly think I'd rather see Lakewood Plaza, which was basically the prototype version of OK KO. But hey, it's still kinda fun.
Ok ko, had a artstyle that was really dirty and grungy looking, that's what made it unique imho. Thundercats on the other hand looks like complete garbage.
Ah, I see someone’s been taking lessons from the “Hunt Down The Freeman School of _pissing_ on once respected franchises”.
Just like Powerpuff Girls 2016.
So when does the Half-Life Alyx equivalent start production?
@@zhg4485 HDTF and Alyx were like 2 years apart.
A good example of a successful reboot of an action show into a comedy show that was both successful and well liked is Harvery Birdman Attorney at Law. It's because they took these characters are put them in mundane or even silly situations. It's funny to have a superhero that works in an office, but still takes everything seriously. If they did that approach with Thundercats it might have worked.
Facts.
8:25 I'm kinda happy you referenced that game. No one really talks about it anymore.
I have no nostalgic attachment to Thunder Cats whatsoever. I never cared for it. And yet even I think this show looks like trash.
Same
I never cared for it either but I keep it as a memento for childhood.
@marianne mccrank I have a friend who now works from home and he was dreading this reboot before it even came out. Keep in mind he is a lot older than me btw. He grew up with Thundercats, not me.
I loved the 2011 reboot so seeing this really is just. Ow.
Me too, I just watched 2 episodes of the 2012 reboot, and think Roar is a bad show.
I love how you brought up that Ed Edd and Eddy episode at the beginning of the video, Mysterious Mr. Enter. That's actually one of my favorites, I put it at number four on my top 10 favorite episodes of Ed Edd and Eddy
STAY BACK CHICKEN BOY my favorite quote from eddy!
You should do a top ten!
"If you don't want to make Thundercats, why the hell are you making Thundercats?"
I thought everyone already knew the answer to this one: Media businesses like reboots because they feel safe coming back to something tried and true rather than launching something new which has no history, thus no guarantee of success.
The real question is why none of them have picked up on reboots so often failing due to alienating fans of the original, and not standing on their own, thus not doing much for newcomers either - all of which makes them clearly far from a safe bet, and maybe means they have things going against them which new ideas don't.
My thoughts:
Your thoughts you said might be "controversial"...I agree with them completely. Why change something so much it's not even recognizable anymore? Why not just create a new franchise inspired by the one they're "rebooting" instead?
When mentioning good reboots, I'm disappointed you didn't mention She-Ra and the Princesses of Power. It's a pretty damn good show. Although I've never seen the original, I thoroughly enjoyed it and look forward to the final season next month.
I'm also surprised you didn't mention the crossover with Teen Titans Go (although you showed clips of it) where they had the Original Lion-O from the cartoon afterlife saying "Thundercats Roar is a worthy successor, and anyone who says otherwise is a poop mouth with poop opinions (those exact words), then Snarf saying nobody cares about him, or the 2011 version of Lion-O who's standing next to him (as well as Panthro's corpse, who's Voice Actor is dead)......I'm not too familiar with the franchise, but that's a pretty rage-inducing scene IMO.
Chakra Warrior say what?! They did that?!
Gracekim21 yep is not a lie search it
@@gracekim1998 ruclips.net/video/qTWuj-dg1Es/видео.html
Here's the clip. It's pretty bad.
yeah, that clip alone made me hate TCR.
The guy behind this even claimed to be a fan, the show hr produced shows that to be a lie.
Don't complain about Cal-Arts, complain about terrible writing and direction. If a show's drawn in a "CalArts" style and sucks, it probably would've still been bad if it were drawn differently.
Granted a bad art style would make a bad show worse, but yeah I agree regardless
@@librathebeautifulwarmonk1283 But a good storytelling from a poor animation can save the show.
At least with a bad art style you can just listen to it, but that's kind of meaningless when the writing and directing feels unbearable.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 I agree. Just look at One Punch man
@@librathebeautifulwarmonk1283 Season 2 artstyle looks nothing like the previous seasons but I hope the next season might going back to its original route.
There is a reason why action oriented cartoon with good animation are less common in the west than say action oriented anime in the east. And it's a problem that affects both industries differently. In the west animators get paid fairly, and because of that, good animators are fairly expensive, and excecutives don't like that. In Japan, animators can be paid with food... This is not a joke. Animators are, because of some weird laws, outside minimun wage laws. This means companies can pay them less than the minimun wage if they want. Remember the Simpsons joke about their show being animated in Korean sweatshops, that's because Japan animators had already been taken. This is why even the most good looking animes are still miles cheaper to produce than your standard CN cartoon, because they don't need to pay their employees a fair amount. That being said, it can be debated that the west is over paying its animators for below average work, and should expect more for what they pay them.
In short. If we want better looking cartoons, we should start paying animators less, even the good ones, and Japan and Korea should include animators in the minimun wage laws, just so they don't starve to death.
Even then, the way the animation industry in the west seems to treat creators and workers (like the Making Fiends incident, for one), along with the likelihood of executives straight up being lazy cheapskates, when it comes to ratings and profit margains, it kind of almost devalues the comparatively higher pay they get, when they essentially can get shafted at any minute, for not being run into the ground, for some tyranical boss' own gain.
@@retrogamelover2012 But the thing is. Those tyranical bosses don't give a shit what happenes to the end product because their revenue isn't at all affected. They can loose millions and still be afloat.
Thunder Cats roar looks like it has the most generic 2010’s art style!
The art style is so generic. It looks like it was made by the same person who made Big City Greens and literally every other cartoon with a similar art style
not really, its just a bad show
2013 was the last time this style fell fresh.
Calarts
@@dragontales1999 I think Big City Greens is uglier, but this a close second.
Thundercats roar reminds of old newgrounds animation in a way. An amateur looking parody made in someone's free time, except people somehow got paid to make Thundercats Roar and it looks worse than a newgrounds animation.
Imagine if you're favorite series got canceled and 10 years after nothing they announce a new series and its just some goofy parody that appeals to no one, and worse, even goes out of its way to point at the screen and openly shit on old fans because they dont like this new thing. Thats Thundercats Roar.
Im not even a Thundercats fan, never really watched any Thundercats, but I've been in the fandom's shoes many times over the past few years with all these franchise reboots. I know what this feels like all too well. Our favorite things has been co-opted by people who open express disinterest, ignorance, and even contempt for all these old things we loved. They get to walk away with a paycheck and we're left their steaming shit. The supposed "new younger audience" they chase after hardly ever likes these things anyway so what was it all for? Just to be spiteful?
Less than a year after its creation, Thundercats Roar was cancelled. Say what you want about this show; at least it wasn't around for long.
@Bobby Sharpe Actually, I've heard good things about the Ben 10 reboot.
I don't hate the art style/animation as much as I hate the colors.
There's just sO MUCH *YELLOW*
That's worse than the Powerpuff Girls reboot, which used *so much color* that even the night scenes look off.
Yeah, seriously. It's like someone took a piss on the animation cels, and storyboards, at the same time. And then, they thought they could get away with calling this piece of shit "Thundercats". Yeah, NO.
@@eatatjoe Yeah, just LOOKING at any scene of that godawful garbage reboot hurt my eyes, and almost gave me a seizure. It burned my eyes though, dude/lady.
I saw the trailers on CN and my only thought was “Goddamn... even the CHARACTERS are outlined in brown!” Seems kinda depressing, especially for a kids show
Dude, hearing Enter just go full blast not even half way through got me physically pumped. I don’t even main this channel.
I know that the sword of omens is supposed to shrink when not in use and grow to it’s true size when the famous line is said, but that is just unacceptable
CN: Thundercats Roar exists
Mr. Enter: Ah, a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary!
12:35 That’s not controversial, that’s a fact.
My issue isn’t with CalArts style, even if I don’t personally enjoy it. My issue is that it doesn’t fit Thundercats.
Amazing World of Gumball fits the CalArts style, and even then the show drifts away from it all the time.
Thank you for pointing out the major same face syndrome. People say that this artstyle is ok because it allows the designs to be different and unique but theu never actually are unique from each other.