KrisTiasMusic haha, you call "the old days of VR" the Oculus Kickstarter 🤣 ... ever see the movie 'Hackers'? VR first hit it big in the 90's, and dreamed about in Sci-Fi much longer. I got a Virtualboy from Nintendo "back in the day"... talk about eye strain headaches 😅 I can't WAIT for this new Valve Index headset!
@@RKroese It wont really help. This is just a moment in time that will naturally pass like everything else. It is a meme so it will just last that long. Wouldn't really stress over it since it will be gone.
@@RKroese You must let go of your hatred! If you continue then you will not stop until every comment is thumbed down, by the time you realize it, you will be thumbing down videos! You must stop now! XD
@@dubbeatdown Index controllers use lighthouses for tracking, some people have hacked games to get the devkit controllers working with WMR HMD's but they still require two lighthouses to triangulate their position and probably won't work out of the box with other headsets without API changes from competing manufacturers.
Jeremy, too, does an excellent job of listening and probing for details, accompanying each of his questions with just the right amount of context. You can tell they're keeping the viewer in mind as they interact and that their interest and enthusiasm is genuine.
@@jason_v12345 I love seeing how confident Jeremy is in front of the camera now. Compared to his early appearences. He's come a long way - this is easily some of the most professional tech content being produced anywhere right now. BRAVO tested. BRAVO
Jason Roos you are certainly right. I just happen to watch Norm from the early VR days with Will. And he really outgrew himself. Maybe Will was holding him back, so yes Jeremy and Norm make an excellent, if not the best team reporting from the VR front!
@@johnekopy The thing that killed the initial VR hype was the fact that its cost was in console ranges, something people barely buy, as something of that type barely comes out.
Illegal Aliens well oculus s is mad cheap 400$. The biggest thing with vr is the games most feel like demos or arcade or they cheap out in gameplay auto reloading instead of manually installing clip in and pulling thing to load lol. No be hands just floating guns. But mainly vr games suck except for a few.
First good thing Valve has done this millennia. Their monopoly of CS:GO and DOTA2 and the way they've mishandled both remains unforgivable. Worst company ever.
The index is bloody amazing. The controllers are definitely trendsetting, I can't imagine going back to anything else, the finger tracking is so much more immersing and makes so much difference. The higher refresh rate display is also a life changing feature and makes me feel like I've jumped into ready player one. The higher resolution does have the unfortunate tendency to want to set my computer on fire as my gpu works up a sweat but it's well worth it. Currently got a GTX 1080 and looking for a suitable upgrade so I can enjoy higher resoloutions at 120 hz because 120Hz is needed for this amazing experience.
With my i9-9900k and 2070 strix I hit 144fps in most games. Very few games go lower; mostly just AAA titles like asgard's wrath, stormland, lone echo, and sims like project cars 2 and DCS.
@@evolicious Nice! That's good to know. I plan to use it for DCS a lot and I bought and downloaded ProjectCars 2, Dirt Rally 2.0 and Boneworks just for it haha. I cant wait for my Index to arrive! I should have ordered it sooner, but I'm just glad I got one before they completely sold out
@@averagepeople9802 If HL3 or L4D3 was confirmed as that first in-house VR game announced, people would murder each other over the pre-order confirmation numbers. Oaths would be broken, families sundered, treachery would reign, bodies would line the gutters. Keep an eye on your friends.
This is the right way to go I mean I don't have the money myself to get this but still, 100% support it because this is how we move forward with innovation and down the road things will be AMAZING and accessible.
@Booker Skye but VR isnt just about games. if anything expect the huge breakthroughs in other area's long before games. also the Quest is like a mobile phone you arent going to get bioshock or mass effect level AAA games on that at all. it barely runs beat saber.
@Booker Skye I agree. However there really needs to be both. For you, and for lot's of other people, 399 for a Quest or Rift S is a great deal. It's a great entry point into VR, and probably a much better experience than the cheaper WMR headsets, at least with the Rift S. For people who want to spend a little more, Reverb would be a fantastic choice at 600. For me, with base stations that work perfectly, 749 for the Index and controllers is an easy pill to swallow to put my OG vive to rest, and jump back into Elite Dangerous and be wowed all over again at 120Hz and 130 fov! :-)
@Booker Skye its already being used in surgery and other professions though. heck alot of smaller movies are using Valve's tracking systems to do motion capture now instead of doing massive expensive suits. also you can get mass effect level stuff on PC VR heck fallout 4 and Skyrim VR are full experiences of their games in vr and work great if not better than their base games. No Mans Sky looks amazing in VR and will be a huge seller. Elite Dangerous is amazing in VR as well.
@Holy Spiritual Practices Well, technically, he _might_ come back before next week. Or before the day is even over. But it's a relatively small chance that in the next millennium he'll return. Only time will tell.
User100 I was gonna say the same thing, he seems super exited after trying this. The next wave of VR that is coming now and the next couple years is gonna be so good. I’m looking most forward too PS5 and psvr 2 though as i’m not a PC guy my self but damn this looks good
It's an exciting thing, VR developers are breaking new ground with input devices in particular. This is probably the biggest change to gaming controllers since the Wii's motion controls (and that has mostly been dead-ended in mainstream games).
@@antoniorsoftware What are you talking about? Nintendo has had pretty great Backwards Compatibility, at least since gameboy. You could play gameboy games on a ds, ds games on a 3ds, wii games on a wii u. Xbox and Playstation are much worse.
@@FlammingtonStudios He is confusing backwards compatibility with re-buying software, something nintendo is pretty bad for. They used to be better with that in the past (but so was PlayStation). As for Xbox, they don't have full backwards compatibility but they don't make you re-buy the games, in that regard nintendo is the worst offender.
@@NoJustice4U Everything is a compromise I personally have dealt with abrasion issues with the current controllers and personally do not think they feel very ergonomic. Give it a try if you do not like them I am sure everything is backwards compatible and you can use your old ones if you chose to do so.
@@word2RG well they are built around the same coding as the vive controllers so they will have tons of games that support them but not all to support full functionality but it's good they add the options
I have been holding out on VR as long as i can until most of gen 1 issues been worked out, i almost bit bullet on pro but decided not to, it just didn't have the advancements that i wanted yet like the new knuckle controllers and price was more then i was willing to spend and fact they didn't even have a full kit at launch. but now with this release i am finally going to do it and pre-purchase this. It finally is the move i was looking for. i just didn't want to buy 3rd party kits with bad tracking or other issues and 1st gen was not what i wanted for my first experience in VR. I think this is something my whole family is going to enjoy and look forward to it.
Same here, but this is too expensive. My first is going to be an oculus quest since it is perfect for my budget and someone without a pc. I never would have bought vr in its current state if the quest wouldn’t have come out
The headphone setup makes a ton of sense. Pulling the speakers away will make the sound-stage much bigger and immersive. Reminds me of the old Sony MDR-F1 headphones.
@@wotever99ninynine Most VR users play alone anyways. I wonder what they are doing to combat microphone feedback with these? I guess users can use the headphone jack.
This channel should be called Norman Chan's Tested. Full 27mins of necessary technical information and no silly rambling like most youtube channels I've seen. Good stuff.
Brilliant opening to Modders community. Front cams for AR would be cool for developers. SO would like to adapt this to SolidWorks; sit in an office chair, kicked back, with arms on arm rests doing design in 3D space. Opening these devices to CAD will open a cascade of business money to expand the business.
@@io4439 Agreed, have a pre-ordered Vive. Seems I will be putting her to rest on June 28th :-) Happy I can use my base stations, as they work perfectly. If you are seriously considering this, you can get Gen 1 base stations on Ebay much cheaper than the new Gen 2 ones, from Valve. Just a thought. The headset/Controllers package is $749. Looks like you can get base stations for 60-70 each on Ebay, saving you a couple hundred bucks.
finally. pass-through cameras are the holy grail of VR Sim Racing and Flying, being able to greenscreen and overlay your own arms and wheel/controller into the game
The price, hardware and features are definitely worth $1000 when you actually break down what your getting. This will be a learning experience for all who claim VR is too expensive. Comparing the Index to other headsets Its clearly more angled towards enthusiasts who want the most out of VR and offers a lot more justifying the price.
Jacob Flo well just think about it logically. Compared to the Rift S for example the whole set up is $600 more ($500 more than Vive). But what are you getting for that additional cost? Lighthouse 2 tracking which is far superior and will probably continue to provide the best tracking solution for years to come (though isn’t cheap to produce). Higher resolution panels, Wider field of view, drastically higher refresh rate, over ear speakers (better audio) and a mechanical IPD adjuster (not cheap to produce either). The Index also has 2 cameras for passthrough view of your environment around you. Now when you move on to the knuckles controllers it’s clearly obvious there’s more input controls and they’re also PACKED full of sensors more than touch or vive wands. In my opinion I still don’t think it should cost $600 more maybe closer to $500 more but you also have to consider how much the rift was when it was first released. A huge reason oculus products are so affordable NOW is because of long term big funding, the relationships established with distributors as well as fine tuning production to Lower costs. Their profit margins are also smaller as they’re trying to push VR into the hands of more users. When breaking all of that down it makes perfect sense why the Index bundle is $1000 and is also a good deal especially when compared to the Vive Pro. The price will also drop within the next year or so when sales start to drop off. Dont get me wrong I’m a huge fan of oculus products. honestly I don’t think you can get any better bang for your buck anywhere else and the overall VR quality is excellent but the Index is definitely going to cater to those of us who have owned the vanilla Rift +touch or vanilla Vive and are ready for that big next step up. I’m personally really excited for the higher refresh rate, wider field of view, higher resolution and really glad they decided to use lighthouse technology instead of inside out for tracking.
it's even smart since they could make it so they can have a pull up thing to see through them as cameras so you don't have to take them off to figure out where you are which would be great for video makers who love playing them but want to face the mic XD
On the same day as Oculus's F8 presentation. Ouch! That's a dirty move, Valve. Regardless, this thing sounds awesome. Can't wait to see what it can do in person when it drops.
@@EpicConspiracy unfortunately youre probably right.. the rift s looks like a very very very small upgrade to me.. its more of a wmr 1.5 than a rift 2 or even a rift 1.5, but overall i would probably prefer that over the index for the price point/ convenience of inside out tracking etc (assuming it tracks controllers 10x better than my current lenovo exploerer wmr does anyway..) but looking at all the options, its not worth the upgrade. none of them look any better to me than my lenovo explorer... same lcd screens, similar res (lower for rift s, slightly higher for index) pretty much same fov, no new technology... no point in upgrading unless i wanted slightly better controller tracking. and since i primarily use vr for sim racing... theres definitly no point in upgrading.. unless these new headsets make other older hmd's offer more competitive pricing (samsung odyssey/ odyssey + etc) althoug for sim racing that hp reverb does look rather nice.. or the pimax 5k+ if i could afford it... maybe the vive cosmos will be decent.. like the rift s but with better screens etc. hopefully a fov bump.. why the f has vr not had an fov bump yet? tis the most asked for thing behind resolution... im not talking massive, as i see the complications pimax is facing (although it sounds like its working pretty well nowadays..) im just talking 120-140 deg fov becoming the new normal.. why are they all still 100-110??? jeeze...
EpicConspiracy bruh the rift s isn’t a big improvement from the original rift, nobody is willing to drop 400 for the same damn headset. For gen 1 head sets I would say oculus won vs vive. However gen 2 the valve headset beats rift s by a landslide. Oculus has given up on innovating and improving experiences and has opted to cheap out on their headsets by removing mechanical ipd adjustment, and built in headphones and the like, but still keeping the 400 dollar price point. Valve will now be leading the VR industry and honestly I’m switching my oculus to the index
@@DeVipurr I think they are selling the quest at a loss and making up for it by selling a very shitty pc vr at a massive profit. The quest has ipd, it has more tech, a built in processor, battery etc. It's technically far more expensive to manufacture etc. The rift s is just a shitty Oculus go, without the built in processor/battery converted to a lower resolution version of wmr but with slightly better controller tracking.. It's abysmal. They are truly showing they don't care about their pc customers. I guess it's good they are trying to get more people into vr, make it mainstream by making it cheap and independent from a pc etc. I'm still not happy though. Apparently the rift s has similar tracking issues as wmr (tracking messes up when holding controller too close to face, I. E when looking down gun scope/sights.. And lower res screens... Jeeze.) Not exactly the 'upgrade' I expected, I mean... The res/sde is barely better, it now has worse black levels etc Due to no oled. And much worse tracking than original rift, which they discontinued.. Maybe they should offer the rift s independent if controllers and with old tracking sensors instead of cameras too, for those that want the slight sde/resolution upgrade but don't want to sacrifice tracking.. I dunno
Wow the guy on the right reminds me of my self so much. He is also alot better now than he was before I think. He keeps to the point, and are alot more consistent and informative rather than ranting. Thumbs up!
Thanks guys for your none bias reviews. You are the best in the business right now and I just want to say I appreciate it. Please keep up the good work and hopefully soon I can dive in to the VR plunge!
@@littlefrank90 Depends heavily on the title and scene. 144hz is easily possible when just watching a movie in a simple theater, having the capability is always a plus, even if you won't be able to reach it in heavier titles. It also adds some future proofing which is good.
Finally! I've been wanting to get into VR for years. About a year ago I said to myself, this Christmas it's happening, time to splurge. But news kept coming about the knuckles controllers still being on the way, and the Pimax and all those guys were bragging about higher resolutions and wider FOV, so I didn't want to go for a first gen HMD knowing upgrades were coming, and the Vive Pro didn't seem like a big enough improvement, so it never felt worth it to invest in the hardware, much as the games have been tempting me... This seems like it's it. At long last. About two years after I first said okay, I'm on board with VR, give me a good enough deal and you have my money. Very informative coverage!
I can live without the better headset and base stations but those controllers got me. I'm so glad they made it compatible with the original vive cause my wallet is still recovering from that expense.
"The headset's dual 1440x1600 RGB LCDs provide 50% more subpixels than OLED, resulting in greater sharpness for the same rendering cost. In addition, the fill-factor is three times better than OLED, greatly reducing “screen door” effect." -Valve's Index Website
For me the most liberating aspect of VR was when I got the wireless adaptor for the Vive (and a bunch of battery packs). That made it so much better so I will wait until this is wireless too.
@@nickeltje Not yet but a lot has changed and according to a ... well let's call it unofficial ... leak there'll be space legs 2020 when the next ED Expansion hits Changes -Reworked Mining(Really love blowing up those sweet Void Opal rocks) -Reworked Exploration(No longer just Honk and Scoop -Reworked Engineers (No gambling for max.) -Signalsources (Persistant but it got harder to find Grade 5 mats) -A lot of the lighting has changed and no peige planets ... Well thats a small Summary excluding the last Patch witch was for beginners
This why I have been using the Sony PFR-V1 for my HTC vive all along. The immersion factor of having speakers vs over the ear or in ear headphones is immense. It feels like the sound of the world envelops you versus coming from a single direction. I am not even sure if something like the mobius headphones would make enough of a qualifiable difference since the VR headset already makes the audio position based. I think in this regard they nailed the sound. I cannot wait for my controllers to come in so I can test those out. Love the fact that we can do this piece meal too.
Glad they're still developing this stuff. Still no plan to purchase myself for probably a decade when it doesn't cost as much as the PC it takes to run it lol
TyroneTheToad they did say their first hmd was made to be the Best, price not being a concern. They might make more at lower prices (index 2, index 2 episode 1&2)
Dang ! I hope the guys from Fatshark watch this video and realize that selling a headset with inferior screens without receivers and without a freakin power button in 2019 for 400.00-600.00 is a massive gouge. I really wish the makers of PC VR headsets would get into producing headsets for FPV RC Quads.
fatsharks are only expensive because they have no competition (maybe apart from EV200Ds but honestly no one really wants Eachine). Need to get me a good pair of goggles but dunno if they're worth that ridiculously high price or if I should just stick with my trusty box goggles lol
For sim racers and sim pilots it's kinda okay, get the headset for 500$ and a pair of 1.0 base stations and you are set. Way cheaper than a triple screen setup and way better.
It looks great, but 1000$ is just too steep for me unfortunately so I will have to stick with my Rift for the foreseeable future. I do hope it's successful though.
The one reason I don't use Oculus stuff: the lack of compatibility with Valve's path. Everything in the Valve eco-system is compatible with each other - controllers, trackers, etc. And while at this time it's not that diverse, it's far more "PC-like", in that you can take a Vive, and pair it with the Valve controllers, running on third party lighthouses. Price got everyone to go with Oculus, but in the end I feel like closed systems like that are the wrong direction to go.
@@BlownMacTruck Well their own systems are going to be compatible with their own systems, kind of makes sense, but any other VR manufacturers outside of HTC/Valve are not compatible with their stuff, so really they're all closed systems. The equivilent that I can think of is that Oculus has back-wards compatibility with their new touch controller design as well, so the old model works the same.
At last someone who has actually used the device, unlike all the other youtubers who just read out the specs from Valve's website and take 1 hour to do it. I'm thinking of swiviver in particular, the biggest timewaster on youtube.
I tried pimax 5k and compare with 150 and 170 fov option but yoy hardly notice at all. I use vive with 6mm face foam and that still gives me very satisfying experience. 130 fov is good enough
I recently got Windows Mixed Reality and it seems just fine, set up is easy and probably best for more casual or less tech savvy people. I am neither but I am a student so price was no.1 for me.
So it seems it will replace my Vive. Sad about the missing Wireless Option, but hope something will pop up later. Otherwise it looks like the step forward I've been looking for. I'm still undecided if I'll go for the version with Lighthouse 2.0. If I do I might sell my Vive, otherwise keep it.
@Soren B The good thing is I have plenty of games in my library. :) Looking forward replaying some of them with the improved graphics. Especially Ones with smaller texts and Dirt Rally (which run amazingly even without official support, but the screen door and low resolution really had bad impacts, with 1080 TI it would be able to render in 4k and downscale. So should also be able to give us 120Hz).
@@zucciniknife It would still be nice to have the option. Since the Headset supports 90Hz (and 80Hz) too it should be no big deal for the technology. On my Vive it's such a great experience. The graphics difference is almost not noticeable unless my body blocks the receiver.
Having tried eye tracking VR at CES, I can't believe this new super high end device doesn't include eye tracking. It's a new must for me on high end devices.
Forcing Half-Life fans to spend $1000 to continue the series in VR as opposed to traditional mouse and keyboard is the complete opposite of genius. Do you have any clue how many people that would piss off? I can already see the review bombs on basically every Valve game. It would increase interest in the Index, but that would be completely eclipsed by the tidal wave of pissed off people that have been waiting over a decade to finish the story but now have to spend $1000 and strap a device on their head as well as have a big empty space to do so. Sorry if you don’t have a grand to burn and VR makes you nauseous and you live in a cramped apartment Half-Life fans! Even doing an exclusive Half-Life spin-off would be risky, but I’d be okay with that. Just don’t call it Half-Life 3 or there will be virtual riots.
yes yes yes, you got me hyped, been waiting for a good hands-on reveiw/test of valves VR headset for some time. looks like this is what i am gonna save up for this summer :)
Norm chimed in on the reddit thread. Road to VR noticed god rays, he did not, and played the same stuff. It's most probably a case of get it set just right for you, and no god rays. Don't take the time to fine tune sweet spot and IPD, and you will see them. Much like the Pimax in that way.
i was trying to make the Vive push up to my face as much as possible because it helps with everything... looks like Valve finally understood that. just reserved the Index and i cant wait for it
I'll get this vr headset later in life cuz like it looks cool but I'll wait for the price to drop cuz I understand the price but for me it's too expensive sadly
The amount of times that I’ll rewatch this from now until June 28th is near infinite. Wonderful review. Thanks for fueling my personal hype train. Steam/Valve: SEND THESE GUYS STUFF TO REVIEW.
The 1000 dollar price point is really high for us that have the rift, if only had we bought the original vive would we have been able to upgrade for 799$ instead. You lucky vive users lol
Finian Blackett yeah I’m buying it anyways. From OLED to LCD is 50% more sub pixels, plus the increase in resolution so yeah gonna help you with your problem with the screen door effect.
Despite being a nobody, I think I know the solution to making VR perfect. 1) Micro LED panels 2) Onboard CPU for screen/lens adjustments 3) SLI GPU setup. Till single GPU can power two 1440p 144hz cheaply. And for the love of God, can we get a nonprofit organization to build a Linux distro built for booting straight to VR, and then develop an oasis like world from ready player one. To be more specific, we need a multi platform (This, Oculus, Vive) where you put the headset on and your in a 1st person sim like world where we have different cities (aka realms/servers) and then personal shops/homes you can teleport to. The problem with this is DLC/IAP, a nonprofit would be the best to do this.
Don't worry vr competition. Valve can only make 1 more headset because they never make three of anything.
Haluc1nated would be a good joke if there was only 2 headsets there’s 3
@@kainetic7555 There's *only* 1. The Valve Index. Both the HTC Vive / HTC Vive Pro are by HTC in partnership with Valve.
sad feels but good feels at the same time
@@DJHeroMasta He's probably talking about the Rift.
Valve annouced 3 games
You VR enthusiast guys are killing it, like in the 'old days' during oculus' kickstarter phase! Thank you for your fantastic work!
not the same type of people currently own oculus sadly...
KrisTiasMusic haha, you call "the old days of VR" the Oculus Kickstarter 🤣 ... ever see the movie 'Hackers'? VR first hit it big in the 90's, and dreamed about in Sci-Fi much longer. I got a Virtualboy from Nintendo "back in the day"... talk about eye strain headaches 😅 I can't WAIT for this new Valve Index headset!
@@nokandno-escorner HTC?
There is only one Headset to rule them all. Its XTAL
You're welcome.
Valve: *exists*
Wallet: Ah shit, here we go again.
@@RKroese You did it wrong.
This comment style exists.
You: Ah shit, here we go again.
@@VK2532 I will downvote all of these types of comments and I hope it helps... :(
@@RKroese It wont really help. This is just a moment in time that will naturally pass like everything else. It is a meme so it will just last that long. Wouldn't really stress over it since it will be gone.
@@VK2532 No! It is my sworn enemy!
It must perish at my hands...
@@RKroese You must let go of your hatred! If you continue then you will not stop until every comment is thumbed down, by the time you realize it, you will be thumbing down videos! You must stop now! XD
Imagine Valve releasing HL3 as their flagship VR-title
Well they are making a HL vr game
HLVR is already confirmed, it might be the title coming at the end of the year.
@@evolicious it's a mod I think but you should definitely check out bonework
instabuy my friend
Supposedly a Half-Life prequel is one of three AAA VR titles in development.
If you ask me, the real beauty are the controllers. They have been in the works for so long and now they are finally here.
So you can use these controllers on Oculus quest?
dubbeatdown no
@@dubbeatdown Index controllers use lighthouses for tracking, some people have hacked games to get the devkit controllers working with WMR HMD's but they still require two lighthouses to triangulate their position and probably won't work out of the box with other headsets without API changes from competing manufacturers.
@@dubbeatdown No
my wallet will empty at the speed of light my mans
Norm has become the best VR information source. I could listen for hours.👍
Jeremy, too, does an excellent job of listening and probing for details, accompanying each of his questions with just the right amount of context. You can tell they're keeping the viewer in mind as they interact and that their interest and enthusiasm is genuine.
@@jason_v12345 I love seeing how confident Jeremy is in front of the camera now. Compared to his early appearences. He's come a long way - this is easily some of the most professional tech content being produced anywhere right now. BRAVO tested. BRAVO
i forgot to give you the codes for the nukes.
Jason Roos you are certainly right. I just happen to watch Norm from the early VR days with Will. And he really outgrew himself. Maybe Will was holding him back, so yes Jeremy and Norm make an excellent, if not the best team reporting from the VR front!
gets your geek asmr tingling huh?
lol..
Thank god a company has the guts to push VR forward in high end. Valve has the pedal to the metal...Bravo Valve!
That's hardly what the VR needs right now though.
@@Piterixos Why?
@@johnekopy The thing that killed the initial VR hype was the fact that its cost was in console ranges, something people barely buy, as something of that type barely comes out.
Illegal Aliens well oculus s is mad cheap 400$. The biggest thing with vr is the games most feel like demos or arcade or they cheap out in gameplay auto reloading instead of manually installing clip in and pulling thing to load lol. No be hands just floating guns. But mainly vr games suck except for a few.
First good thing Valve has done this millennia. Their monopoly of CS:GO and DOTA2 and the way they've mishandled both remains unforgivable. Worst company ever.
The index is bloody amazing. The controllers are definitely trendsetting, I can't imagine going back to anything else, the finger tracking is so much more immersing and makes so much difference. The higher refresh rate display is also a life changing feature and makes me feel like I've jumped into ready player one. The higher resolution does have the unfortunate tendency to want to set my computer on fire as my gpu works up a sweat but it's well worth it. Currently got a GTX 1080 and looking for a suitable upgrade so I can enjoy higher resoloutions at 120 hz because 120Hz is needed for this amazing experience.
With my i9-9900k and 2070 strix I hit 144fps in most games. Very few games go lower; mostly just AAA titles like asgard's wrath, stormland, lone echo, and sims like project cars 2 and DCS.
@@evolicious Nice! That's good to know. I plan to use it for DCS a lot and I bought and downloaded ProjectCars 2, Dirt Rally 2.0 and Boneworks just for it haha. I cant wait for my Index to arrive! I should have ordered it sooner, but I'm just glad I got one before they completely sold out
Well wallet...
[pulls out knife]
It's time...
Gaben commands it.
Lol indeed
@YDKY Indeed, With the talk of hl3 being maybe included or announced sometime when it releases.
@@averagepeople9802 If HL3 or L4D3 was confirmed as that first in-house VR game announced, people would murder each other over the pre-order confirmation numbers. Oaths would be broken, families sundered, treachery would reign, bodies would line the gutters. Keep an eye on your friends.
*holds stern face, raises eyebrow*
Indeed.
/teal'c reference committed.
This is the right way to go I mean I don't have the money myself to get this but still, 100% support it because this is how we move forward with innovation and down the road things will be AMAZING and accessible.
It's a good price I think.
@Booker Skye well nostos is a first then
@Booker Skye but VR isnt just about games. if anything expect the huge breakthroughs in other area's long before games. also the Quest is like a mobile phone you arent going to get bioshock or mass effect level AAA games on that at all. it barely runs beat saber.
@Booker Skye I agree. However there really needs to be both. For you, and for lot's of other people, 399 for a Quest or Rift S is a great deal. It's a great entry point into VR, and probably a much better experience than the cheaper WMR headsets, at least with the Rift S. For people who want to spend a little more, Reverb would be a fantastic choice at 600. For me, with base stations that work perfectly, 749 for the Index and controllers is an easy pill to swallow to put my OG vive to rest, and jump back into Elite Dangerous and be wowed all over again at 120Hz and 130 fov! :-)
@Booker Skye its already being used in surgery and other professions though. heck alot of smaller movies are using Valve's tracking systems to do motion capture now instead of doing massive expensive suits.
also you can get mass effect level stuff on PC VR heck fallout 4 and Skyrim VR are full experiences of their games in vr and work great if not better than their base games. No Mans Sky looks amazing in VR and will be a huge seller. Elite Dangerous is amazing in VR as well.
This is gonna be my first pcvr headset and I’m super excited for it
Damn, like a Ferrari being your first car haha. Enjoy it, you're going to have a blast!
Mine too I'm about to jump in to vr
Anybody have PC recommendations for this thing?
My wallet mysteriously dissappeared after the announcement of this headset.
Mine did too, maybe if you see it disappears by default? Must be something like that
People in the year 2040-50 are gonna be like. "Man, back in the day we strapped toasters to our faces and saw VR. its not anything like it is now"
Yea but this toaster has the potential to have RGB lol ;P
@@mutt4537 in 2140 they will be like "uuhh gross you used organic eyeballs"?
@Holy Spiritual Practices I'd give it a few centuries. 😜👌🏻. Or a couple nukes ☠. Until then. Hah
They probably shove bread in their vr headsets.
@Holy Spiritual Practices Well, technically, he _might_ come back before next week. Or before the day is even over. But it's a relatively small chance that in the next millennium he'll return. Only time will tell.
You can tell how excited Norm is talking about this - it's so contagious!
User100 I was gonna say the same thing, he seems super exited after trying this. The next wave of VR that is coming now and the next couple years is gonna be so good. I’m looking most forward too PS5 and psvr 2 though as i’m not a PC guy my self but damn this looks good
It's an exciting thing, VR developers are breaking new ground with input devices in particular. This is probably the biggest change to gaming controllers since the Wii's motion controls (and that has mostly been dead-ended in mainstream games).
You can also tell how much he loves caffeine lol
@@Mattle_lutra and cocaine
Steam Sale Brokeness has reached Expert Level.
$1k doesn't scare me. Bring it, Gabe, you pansy.
I will buy these for many reasons but the biggest reason, because Valve keeps modders in mind as EVERY company should!!!
Of course they should. How else are they going to add new games to their portfolio? They sure as hell don't make games themselves.
@@jtno2 not true.
They confirmed they are making 3 official vr titles to valve index already
@@bobbybaeX Have you heard of a concept called humor. Its not very well known but I think it would be useful for you.
@@alexasbagel Where is the humor in that?
Mad respect for the backwards compatibility, they could've just forced us to rebuy everything.
They are not Nintendo.
@@antoniorsoftware What are you talking about? Nintendo has had pretty great Backwards Compatibility, at least since gameboy. You could play gameboy games on a ds, ds games on a 3ds, wii games on a wii u. Xbox and Playstation are much worse.
@@antoniorsoftware thats a weird way to spell Sony
Backwards compatibility has nothing to do with rebuying things. They could make you rebuy older titles and it would still be backwards compatible.
@@FlammingtonStudios He is confusing backwards compatibility with re-buying software, something nintendo is pretty bad for. They used to be better with that in the past (but so was PlayStation).
As for Xbox, they don't have full backwards compatibility but they don't make you re-buy the games, in that regard nintendo is the worst offender.
damn, I was only planning on upgrading to the knuckles,
now I want the index headset too.
Rodbotic haha same
Same! I'll keep my OG Vive for friends and family. Lol!
@@ryanturner6920 Jus sayin, never ever get rid of that. You will cherish it one day.
@@andrew-729 yeah... I sold my DK1 and DK2. Sort of regret it.
gosh... same... I'll enjoy index while my family and friends can destroy my og with their sweat haha
Thank you for mentioning how it fits with glasses, all the other reviews and articles I've seen didn't mention glasses at all.
They never do. 😞
i wonder if my vr lans lab glasses will fit the Index..just from vids the shape looks quite similar
LCD display: Liquid Crystal Display display
Stereo display stereo display
Your mom: My mom
I never thought of this....omg
ATM Machine, Automated Teller Machine Machine.
Is that still an issue? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAS_syndrome
ive been waiting for the controllers to come out for so long! cant wait!
Valves Index controllers are only as good as the games that support them
@@NoJustice4U Everything is a compromise I personally have dealt with abrasion issues with the current controllers and personally do not think they feel very ergonomic. Give it a try if you do not like them I am sure everything is backwards compatible and you can use your old ones if you chose to do so.
@@word2RG well they are built around the same coding as the vive controllers so they will have tons of games that support them but not all to support full functionality but it's good they add the options
Just the fact that valve left that open cavity on the front for anybody to do anything with.. That gave me goosebumps.
This is why i love valve.
The lcd screen in the frunk reminds me of daft punk.
@@tf2excession Like wrench from watch dogs 2
@Dylan Stewart Robot Rock 😎
I have been holding out on VR as long as i can until most of gen 1 issues been worked out, i almost bit bullet on pro but decided not to, it just didn't have the advancements that i wanted yet like the new knuckle controllers and price was more then i was willing to spend and fact they didn't even have a full kit at launch. but now with this release i am finally going to do it and pre-purchase this. It finally is the move i was looking for. i just didn't want to buy 3rd party kits with bad tracking or other issues and 1st gen was not what i wanted for my first experience in VR. I think this is something my whole family is going to enjoy and look forward to it.
zengrath I’m in the same boat, I can’t wat for this though
Same here.
+1. Exactly my situation. Just reserved the full kit.
Same here, but this is too expensive. My first is going to be an oculus quest since it is perfect for my budget and someone without a pc. I never would have bought vr in its current state if the quest wouldn’t have come out
This is another reason why Steam is so much better than other platforms. Kudos to Valve.
The headphone setup makes a ton of sense. Pulling the speakers away will make the sound-stage much bigger and immersive. Reminds me of the old Sony MDR-F1 headphones.
Yep.
not keen on the sound bleed from others/ others being able to hear my game audio etc..
@@wotever99ninynine Most VR users play alone anyways. I wonder what they are doing to combat microphone feedback with these? I guess users can use the headphone jack.
@@wotever99ninynine yeah, don't want your vr hentai leaking out
@@numo97 for sure
Throw in Half Life 3 VR as a package deal and I'm in.
Didn't you hear? Flagship title! Like, unironically - Half Life 3 confirmed
Derek Norpchen check out bone works.
@@arhidavid -Half Life 3 confirmed- Artifact VR confirmed*
@@arhidavid I would say a half-life universe title is a good possibility, half life 3 not so much.
@@C.M_ :(
This channel should be called Norman Chan's Tested. Full 27mins of necessary technical information and no silly rambling like most youtube channels I've seen. Good stuff.
Brilliant opening to Modders community. Front cams for AR would be cool for developers.
SO would like to adapt this to SolidWorks; sit in an office chair, kicked back, with arms on arm rests doing design in 3D space. Opening these devices to CAD will open a cascade of business money to expand the business.
Haven't seen Norm outwardly appear this excited before
Right? I'ts a big reason I will be preordering tomorrow morning, lol.
I own a pre-ordered launch model Oculus CV1 but now I am very tempted to move over to Valve's Index headset.
@@io4439 Agreed, have a pre-ordered Vive. Seems I will be putting her to rest on June 28th :-) Happy I can use my base stations, as they work perfectly. If you are seriously considering this, you can get Gen 1 base stations on Ebay much cheaper than the new Gen 2 ones, from Valve. Just a thought. The headset/Controllers package is $749. Looks like you can get base stations for 60-70 each on Ebay, saving you a couple hundred bucks.
its the new norm
Me too
This headset sounds certainly magical. Index will be on my watchlist.
Love these guys, they really know their shit when it comes to VR.
finally. pass-through cameras are the holy grail of VR Sim Racing and Flying, being able to greenscreen and overlay your own arms and wheel/controller into the game
It's
H A P P E N I N G!!
I love how vague this is, yet I still know what it means.
GrandArtisté what does it mean???
Half life VR?
H...H....HALF LIFE?!?!
The price, hardware and features are definitely worth $1000 when you actually break down what your getting. This will be a learning experience for all who claim VR is too expensive. Comparing the Index to other headsets Its clearly more angled towards enthusiasts who want the most out of VR and offers a lot more justifying the price.
lol thats what they want you to think sucker
Macafee Preach it sister!
look dude i am sure i can enjoy vr experience with oculus or ps vr, so index valve seem to be for high end like gtx 2080 or i9 9900k
@@vkobevk gtx1080/ti will work just fine lol you dont need a rtx card
Jacob Flo well just think about it logically. Compared to the Rift S for example the whole set up is $600 more ($500 more than Vive). But what are you getting for that additional cost? Lighthouse 2 tracking which is far superior and will probably continue to provide the best tracking solution for years to come (though isn’t cheap to produce). Higher resolution panels, Wider field of view, drastically higher refresh rate, over ear speakers (better audio) and a mechanical IPD adjuster (not cheap to produce either). The Index also has 2 cameras for passthrough view of your environment around you. Now when you move on to the knuckles controllers it’s clearly obvious there’s more input controls and they’re also PACKED full of sensors more than touch or vive wands. In my opinion I still don’t think it should cost $600 more maybe closer to $500 more but you also have to consider how much the rift was when it was first released. A huge reason oculus products are so affordable NOW is because of long term big funding, the relationships established with distributors as well as fine tuning production to Lower costs. Their profit margins are also smaller as they’re trying to push VR into the hands of more users. When breaking all of that down it makes perfect sense why the Index bundle is $1000 and is also a good deal especially when compared to the Vive Pro. The price will also drop within the next year or so when sales start to drop off. Dont get me wrong I’m a huge fan of oculus products. honestly I don’t think you can get any better bang for your buck anywhere else and the overall VR quality is excellent but the Index is definitely going to cater to those of us who have owned the vanilla Rift +touch or vanilla Vive and are ready for that big next step up. I’m personally really excited for the higher refresh rate, wider field of view, higher resolution and really glad they decided to use lighthouse technology instead of inside out for tracking.
Title: Hands on
Video: Them talking about it without actually using it in the video
Sounds amazing, I can't wait for this VR unit to be fully reviewed.
Always come here first for my info...your honesty and intelligence always makes you number one...thanks guys!
Portal 3 VR confirmed
Nah, they can't count to 3 it's too much.
YES! future proofing the headset with AR possibility!
it's even smart since they could make it so they can have a pull up thing to see through them as cameras so you don't have to take them off to figure out where you are which would be great for video makers who love playing them but want to face the mic XD
Valve got pissed at HTC vive so they decided to make there own
On the same day as Oculus's F8 presentation. Ouch! That's a dirty move, Valve.
Regardless, this thing sounds awesome. Can't wait to see what it can do in person when it drops.
It actually backfired, everyone laughed at valves price point and pre ordered the quest and rift s
@@EpicConspiracy unfortunately youre probably right.. the rift s looks like a very very very small upgrade to me.. its more of a wmr 1.5 than a rift 2 or even a rift 1.5, but overall i would probably prefer that over the index for the price point/ convenience of inside out tracking etc (assuming it tracks controllers 10x better than my current lenovo exploerer wmr does anyway..)
but looking at all the options, its not worth the upgrade. none of them look any better to me than my lenovo explorer... same lcd screens, similar res (lower for rift s, slightly higher for index) pretty much same fov, no new technology... no point in upgrading unless i wanted slightly better controller tracking. and since i primarily use vr for sim racing... theres definitly no point in upgrading.. unless these new headsets make other older hmd's offer more competitive pricing (samsung odyssey/ odyssey + etc)
althoug for sim racing that hp reverb does look rather nice.. or the pimax 5k+ if i could afford it...
maybe the vive cosmos will be decent.. like the rift s but with better screens etc. hopefully a fov bump.. why the f has vr not had an fov bump yet? tis the most asked for thing behind resolution... im not talking massive, as i see the complications pimax is facing (although it sounds like its working pretty well nowadays..) im just talking 120-140 deg fov becoming the new normal.. why are they all still 100-110??? jeeze...
EpicConspiracy the only people who preordered were the ones who are easily fooled.
EpicConspiracy bruh the rift s isn’t a big improvement from the original rift, nobody is willing to drop 400 for the same damn headset.
For gen 1 head sets I would say oculus won vs vive. However gen 2 the valve headset beats rift s by a landslide.
Oculus has given up on innovating and improving experiences and has opted to cheap out on their headsets by removing mechanical ipd adjustment, and built in headphones and the like, but still keeping the 400 dollar price point.
Valve will now be leading the VR industry and honestly I’m switching my oculus to the index
@@DeVipurr I think they are selling the quest at a loss and making up for it by selling a very shitty pc vr at a massive profit. The quest has ipd, it has more tech, a built in processor, battery etc. It's technically far more expensive to manufacture etc. The rift s is just a shitty Oculus go, without the built in processor/battery converted to a lower resolution version of wmr but with slightly better controller tracking.. It's abysmal. They are truly showing they don't care about their pc customers. I guess it's good they are trying to get more people into vr, make it mainstream by making it cheap and independent from a pc etc. I'm still not happy though. Apparently the rift s has similar tracking issues as wmr (tracking messes up when holding controller too close to face, I. E when looking down gun scope/sights.. And lower res screens... Jeeze.)
Not exactly the 'upgrade' I expected, I mean... The res/sde is barely better, it now has worse black levels etc Due to no oled. And much worse tracking than original rift, which they discontinued..
Maybe they should offer the rift s independent if controllers and with old tracking sensors instead of cameras too, for those that want the slight sde/resolution upgrade but don't want to sacrifice tracking.. I dunno
I just discovered you guys looking for some index info, wow you guys covered everything i wanted to know. awesome stuff! Thanks! subbed
Wow the guy on the right reminds me of my self so much. He is also alot better now than he was before I think. He keeps to the point, and are alot more consistent and informative rather than ranting. Thumbs up!
The video wasn't any longer than it needed to be thanks. Thanks for making quality content!
Thanks guys for your none bias reviews. You are the best in the business right now and I just want to say I appreciate it. Please keep up the good work and hopefully soon I can dive in to the VR plunge!
For those too lazy to do the math - 144 Hz is divisible by 24 at 6x.
Same with 120, though. 120 / 24 = 5
WTF
Scorpion7substance MATHS!
Some lovely framerates noone will ever be able to reach. Expecially considering you have to render games TWICE on 1440x1600 displays.
@@littlefrank90 Depends heavily on the title and scene. 144hz is easily possible when just watching a movie in a simple theater, having the capability is always a plus, even if you won't be able to reach it in heavier titles. It also adds some future proofing which is good.
Finally! I've been wanting to get into VR for years. About a year ago I said to myself, this Christmas it's happening, time to splurge. But news kept coming about the knuckles controllers still being on the way, and the Pimax and all those guys were bragging about higher resolutions and wider FOV, so I didn't want to go for a first gen HMD knowing upgrades were coming, and the Vive Pro didn't seem like a big enough improvement, so it never felt worth it to invest in the hardware, much as the games have been tempting me... This seems like it's it. At long last. About two years after I first said okay, I'm on board with VR, give me a good enough deal and you have my money. Very informative coverage!
I can live without the better headset and base stations but those controllers got me. I'm so glad they made it compatible with the original vive cause my wallet is still recovering from that expense.
Was hoping to hear more about the LCD panels and how the color/contrast compares to the Vive vs. other LCD HMDs.
Have a look at 20:49 ....but that doesn't really compare to other LCDs
This would have been perfect VR experience, if it had OLED screen.. I have Vive, but I still will give it a shot and buy actually this bundle!
"The headset's dual 1440x1600 RGB LCDs provide 50% more subpixels than OLED, resulting in greater sharpness for the same rendering cost. In addition, the fill-factor is three times better than OLED, greatly reducing “screen door” effect." -Valve's Index Website
Dumb question here, please... I keep seeing the acronym “HMD” everywhere. What is it?
@@ZRsDad it is the cable that goes into the "monitor" from the device/PC/console and lets you see pretty pictures on the screen.
im even more hyped, damn heres a $1k gaben
brb let me sell my TF2 hats so i can buy 5 indexes.
@@XY-wy3rh Can you spare one, I'll love it everyday....
@@XY-wy3rh ONLY ONE PR. USER DON'T BE AN ASSHOLE
Do you accept credit cards? Great! Please put half on this one and the other half on this one.
FUCKING GABEN, ITS NOT AVAILABLE IN MY COUNTRY
For me the most liberating aspect of VR was when I got the wireless adaptor for the Vive (and a bunch of battery packs). That made it so much better so I will wait until this is wireless too.
The single biggest thing that pulls me out of a great VR experience is the cables.
maybe consider getting the VR cable ceiling mounts.
And now i want to know how Elite Dangerous would look with these ... o7
o7
o7
Possibly worse then the Reverb and Pimax?
Atleast it completley crushes the overpriced vive pro.
How is it these days? Have not played in a while.. Do we finally have legs?
@@nickeltje Not yet but a lot has changed and according to a ... well let's call it unofficial ... leak there'll be space legs 2020 when the next ED Expansion hits
Changes
-Reworked Mining(Really love blowing up those sweet Void Opal rocks)
-Reworked Exploration(No longer just Honk and Scoop
-Reworked Engineers
(No gambling for max.)
-Signalsources
(Persistant but it got harder to find Grade 5 mats)
-A lot of the lighting has changed and no peige planets ...
Well thats a small Summary excluding the last Patch witch was for beginners
The controllers just can't wait to play with them!
Awesome!!!!....Im glad this is out with great features... now I can go and buy the rift CV1 when the price drops after this releases
This why I have been using the Sony PFR-V1 for my HTC vive all along. The immersion factor of having speakers vs over the ear or in ear headphones is immense. It feels like the sound of the world envelops you versus coming from a single direction. I am not even sure if something like the mobius headphones would make enough of a qualifiable difference since the VR headset already makes the audio position based. I think in this regard they nailed the sound. I cannot wait for my controllers to come in so I can test those out. Love the fact that we can do this piece meal too.
Nice Video, You guys are so much better the other RUclips VR guys. They are more about themselves where you guys are about the tech. Thanks!!
Glad they're still developing this stuff. Still no plan to purchase myself for probably a decade when it doesn't cost as much as the PC it takes to run it lol
much less than a decade.
We are already there bought a Rift with TPCast off eBay for $355! Score!
Pretty sure the price of the HMD compared the the price of the PC that needs to run the new shiny next-gen HMD will always be higher/about the same...
These two do such a fantastic job of evaluating tech.
Picking mine up in August. Super excited!
A futuristic looking headset with a high af refresh rate and controllers that can track your fingers?
Sounds like something that is worth $1000 to me
Personally going to be getting this asap
definetly going to be a good upgrade from a WMR hp xd
1000 is a little too much for me. Might wait for the price to drop after a little time.
no 4k at 144fps??
naahh I rather wait
TyroneTheToad they did say their first hmd was made to be the Best, price not being a concern. They might make more at lower prices (index 2, index 2 episode 1&2)
@@ValentineC137 ah I see
Im looking forward for the cocaine version of VR. Nothing against caffeine..
Lol for real, he acts like caffeine is speed
@@emarskineel awareness/immersion he never said speed.
@@emarskineel use google cardboard and some lsd , save some money.
I can't wait for the black far heroine version. 2Hz a second wow.
Playing DCS on this is gonna be a a life long dream!!!!!!
Oh hell yea even Elite Dangerous/Rogue System a space base DCS.
Samsung Odyssey has the same resolution. I saw it on sale recently for $250.
@@zilfondel
It's about the 140 fps!! Not the resolution so much
DCS is gonna feel like real life Fighter jet pilot!
@@tf2excession
Exactly!
Got it, so 144Hz is like being on coke.
Dang ! I hope the guys from Fatshark watch this video and realize that selling a headset with inferior screens without receivers and without a freakin power button in 2019 for 400.00-600.00 is a massive gouge. I really wish the makers of PC VR headsets would get into producing headsets for FPV RC Quads.
I'll totally agree that Fatshark is a total rip off but unless you fly digital, what's the point in such high Res and frame rate?
Fatshark are laughing their arses off that we pay for their products!
fatsharks are only expensive because they have no competition (maybe apart from EV200Ds but honestly no one really wants Eachine). Need to get me a good pair of goggles but dunno if they're worth that ridiculously high price or if I should just stick with my trusty box goggles lol
Rigger Mortis SERIOUSLY!!!
Why not just use a Vive for FPV?
For sim racers and sim pilots it's kinda okay, get the headset for 500$ and a pair of 1.0 base stations and you are set. Way cheaper than a triple screen setup and way better.
So glad they are allowing the knuckles and basestations to be bought separately. Us Pimax users are excited for this.
Have been holding off for VR to mature, this is finally going to be it. Starting to save up now for this! Can't wait!
Down two cans of coke?! Calm down there tiger!
@Holy Spiritual Practices doing drugs, girls and games, what am I?
My brain just auto corrected it to lines of coke.
It looks great, but 1000$ is just too steep for me unfortunately so I will have to stick with my Rift for the foreseeable future. I do hope it's successful though.
I'll just have to stick with my phone for the foreseeable future.
the headset is already sold out, it'll do very well
The one reason I don't use Oculus stuff: the lack of compatibility with Valve's path. Everything in the Valve eco-system is compatible with each other - controllers, trackers, etc. And while at this time it's not that diverse, it's far more "PC-like", in that you can take a Vive, and pair it with the Valve controllers, running on third party lighthouses. Price got everyone to go with Oculus, but in the end I feel like closed systems like that are the wrong direction to go.
@@BlownMacTruck Well their own systems are going to be compatible with their own systems, kind of makes sense, but any other VR manufacturers outside of HTC/Valve are not compatible with their stuff, so really they're all closed systems. The equivilent that I can think of is that Oculus has back-wards compatibility with their new touch controller design as well, so the old model works the same.
Some people spend $1000 on a cellphone with no problem.
At last someone who has actually used the device, unlike all the other youtubers who just read out the specs from Valve's website and take 1 hour to do it. I'm thinking of swiviver in particular, the biggest timewaster on youtube.
I wish the manufacturers could put higher prio on increasing the FOV even more.
I tried pimax 5k and compare with 150 and 170 fov option but yoy hardly notice at all. I use vive with 6mm face foam and that still gives me very satisfying experience. 130 fov is good enough
That translucent Index controller though…
RIght!
I recently got Windows Mixed Reality and it seems just fine, set up is easy and probably best for more casual or less tech savvy people. I am neither but I am a student so price was no.1 for me.
That's why it's great that we have systems covering many bases.
Yeah. I use a Samsung Odyssey. And while the tracking isn't as great as a Vive, it does the job well enough for what I wanted.
Ahaha! That grin on Jeremy's face at the start of the video is pure gold. I can see the excitement!
So it seems it will replace my Vive. Sad about the missing Wireless Option, but hope something will pop up later.
Otherwise it looks like the step forward I've been looking for. I'm still undecided if I'll go for the version with Lighthouse 2.0. If I do I might sell my Vive, otherwise keep it.
Problem with wireless is getting adequate throughput and latency
@Soren B The good thing is I have plenty of games in my library. :) Looking forward replaying some of them with the improved graphics. Especially Ones with smaller texts and Dirt Rally (which run amazingly even without official support, but the screen door and low resolution really had bad impacts, with 1080 TI it would be able to render in 4k and downscale. So should also be able to give us 120Hz).
@@zucciniknife It would still be nice to have the option. Since the Headset supports 90Hz (and 80Hz) too it should be no big deal for the technology. On my Vive it's such a great experience. The graphics difference is almost not noticeable unless my body blocks the receiver.
All these headsets are great and all, but I want those haptic gloves to come out
Zephricus Tesla suit too
@@ssimms8995 oh yeah! that would be sick!
VR 2.0 will be a fully-modular VR Headset.
can't wait to see the mods made for it, i con't even imagine and it makes me excited
Having tried eye tracking VR at CES, I can't believe this new super high end device doesn't include eye tracking. It's a new must for me on high end devices.
the thought that the vive and rift is eventually gonna be seen as retrow
So will VR.
Imagine if you could hit the switches in the DCS cockpits with the knuckles. That would be sweet
I think this is actually doable. I'm pretty sure I've seen people do it with Touch anyway.
As news builds around this release, DCS is all I keep thinking about.
Herbert Pocket literally just play vtol vr
A real joystick and throttle is far superior to a virtual joystick though, and you can't hold a joystick at the same time as the knuckles.
@@h3rteby Yep all day long, Hotas & pedals FTW, and i'll be getting HP Reverb for the extra res too (2160x2160). Job done.
I'm all in on the Index Controller. So done with the Wand.
Valve: Our controllers completely track your hands!
Oculus Quest: Controllers? That’s cute.
Valve would be genius to release HL3 for VR optimized for their headset ^^ Buttloads of money for sold units
Not really, they sold out in less than an hour globally.
They can't match demand.
They shouldn't release HL3 because there are a lot of people who haven't even played HL
Forcing Half-Life fans to spend $1000 to continue the series in VR as opposed to traditional mouse and keyboard is the complete opposite of genius. Do you have any clue how many people that would piss off? I can already see the review bombs on basically every Valve game. It would increase interest in the Index, but that would be completely eclipsed by the tidal wave of pissed off people that have been waiting over a decade to finish the story but now have to spend $1000 and strap a device on their head as well as have a big empty space to do so. Sorry if you don’t have a grand to burn and VR makes you nauseous and you live in a cramped apartment Half-Life fans!
Even doing an exclusive Half-Life spin-off would be risky, but I’d be okay with that. Just don’t call it Half-Life 3 or there will be virtual riots.
@@Coreyahno I agree with HL3VR but saying that would happen for a spin off is just stupid
@@peoplepeople21 are you joking? HL came out in 2005. If they haven't played it by now they won't ever
I'm curious. Those analogue sticks looked hard to reach. I hope it's not too uncomfortable.
yes yes yes, you got me hyped, been waiting for a good hands-on reveiw/test of valves VR headset for some time. looks like this is what i am gonna save up for this summer :)
Valve knows we are a niche market. I'm excited to see VR progress.
Can we have more info on the lens? Fresnel, godrays, sweet spot, you did not gave any info about that.
Norm chimed in on the reddit thread. Road to VR noticed god rays, he did not, and played the same stuff. It's most probably a case of get it set just right for you, and no god rays. Don't take the time to fine tune sweet spot and IPD, and you will see them. Much like the Pimax in that way.
I read it's not fresnel in another article, I think it was road to vr
7:11 looks like fresnel lenses, but might not be?
144hz sold, Take all my money :D
Pre-ordered already! Thanks guys.
i was trying to make the Vive push up to my face as much as possible because it helps with everything... looks like Valve finally understood that. just reserved the Index and i cant wait for it
I'll get this vr headset later in life cuz like it looks cool but I'll wait for the price to drop cuz I understand the price but for me it's too expensive sadly
So there is VR, obviously, but also the front facing cameras theoretically provides AR (augmented reality) as well?
Not really, that's why they mentioned it not tracking depth - which is what AR needs.
Well, phones can do AR tracking with cards without depth sensors...
The amount of times that I’ll rewatch this from now until June 28th is near infinite. Wonderful review. Thanks for fueling my personal hype train.
Steam/Valve:
SEND THESE GUYS STUFF TO REVIEW.
excited to see an updated video!!!
Are you ready for a miracle? Cos Valve's got us covered ^^
The 1000 dollar price point is really high for us that have the rift, if only had we bought the original vive would we have been able to upgrade for 799$ instead.
You lucky vive users lol
Finian Blackett yeah I’m buying it anyways. From OLED to LCD is 50% more sub pixels, plus the increase in resolution so yeah gonna help you with your problem with the screen door effect.
Despite being a nobody, I think I know the solution to making VR perfect.
1) Micro LED panels
2) Onboard CPU for screen/lens adjustments
3) SLI GPU setup. Till single GPU can power two 1440p 144hz cheaply.
And for the love of God, can we get a nonprofit organization to build a Linux distro built for booting straight to VR, and then develop an oasis like world from ready player one.
To be more specific, we need a multi platform (This, Oculus, Vive) where you put the headset on and your in a 1st person sim like world where we have different cities (aka realms/servers) and then personal shops/homes you can teleport to. The problem with this is DLC/IAP, a nonprofit would be the best to do this.
I Have a set of VRGloves and the Tracker is glued on, so the Cavity is really a handy thing!