If I was 12, and a DOCTOR(who probably wasn’t a very good one but still) thought I was an adult from just look at my “private parts” I’d have the BIGGEST ego boost ever
The fact that their entire lives were about playing baseball and then they got kicked off the team they worked their asses off for, that probably meant nothing
11:08 Fun fact the doctor that invented the scale for judging genital development would always testify against any side in court trying to use his scale to determine age, generally in CP cases where the subject's identity was unknown. Because he created it for the diagnosis and analysis of precocious and delayed puberty. That's all it's actually good for is estimating where you are in puberty. Although I bet he never expected little league age requirements to be a context his scale would be misused.
@@A.F.Whitepigeon That wasn't genital, that was breast tissue. Also Puerto Rico and in a rather startling turn of events ... she was arrested for manufacturing some herself.
So with respect to the dissonance between original intent and modern popular (mis)use, the Tanner scale is similar to IQ tests. Tfw the Tanner scale is literally a dick IQ test
Even though it wasn't mentioned in the video, this explains the motivation of Filipino leaders to cheat their way to a Little League World Series championship in 1992. They were tired of losing to Taiwan in the Far East Regional Tournament. So at the end of the Philippines national tournament, they replaced many of the championship team's players with players from other teams to form a national team to compete in the Far East regional and then the World Series. But they got caught and had to forfeit the LLWS championship game to Long Beach, California. Long Beach had a young team in 1992 and returned to Williamsport in 1993 and won the title on the field.
Yeah, that California team from 1993, that was the team where one of the parents, a dad, actually got in my face, screaming his head off at me. When I was 10. For selling a soda to some kids sitting down and in front of that dad! That's right. A big manly.man got in my a ten year old kid's face for making extra pocket money. A kid who was younger than his own son on that team! Dude got escorted off the premises and lost his family pass for the rest of the Series because of that! 🤣
It wasn't just their schooling system though - they were basically pulling their team from the whole country, rather than individualized leagues of smaller populations. If Canada or the US did that they would probably dominate too - get the largest, most coordinated kids in the country and train them to play baseball. It's a huge advantage at this age because of how variable the onset of puberty can be.
I agree with bigger pools to pick from it makes a huge difference My home town of glace bay N.S. had a pop of about 17k We compete with teams here in Canada from Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal. Even if we were to pick the top kids just from our province. We would make the llws way more frequently.
@@bobbycrosby9765 Huh? That's a serious accusation not backed by any sources I know of. In 1996, the reasons were well-known and published. Per ESPN: "After teams from Taiwan won the series in 1995 and '96, Little League officials said they would more strictly enforce league residency rules, which had long been a problem in Taiwan. Public schools in Taiwan were often larger than their U.S. counterparts, allowing leagues to draw from a larger talent pool. Taiwan also was accused of allowing teams to practice out of season." Taiwan is 20x denser than the US, the size of Maryland with the population of Florida. It could not satisfy the < 1000 students per school requirement which US gleefully spun as "cheating", that along with practicing too much, which is apparently also cheating if you "practice out of season".
@@prufrock the video said they shuffled players from other teams that already lost. That has the same affect as pulling players from the whole population. Are you saying the video is wrong?
That team that ended their streak was from Kirkland, WA. I highly encourage people to watch that 30 for 30 show done on them. #20 shown in this video was one of those big kids that just dominated everybody, and he talks about his experience growing up after and how he just became average when everyone else started to catch up in size.
Yeah some kids mature much faster than others. I remember a few ‘monsters’ in our league as a kid but by the middle of high school they weren’t that scary anymore
@@spike8642 He didn't say they dominated, he was talking specifically about Cody Webster. He definitely dominated, 73-75 mph fastball, 7-0, numerous HR's going into the world championship game.
This also brings up another issue with Taiwanese baseball system. Kids are trained too hard when they were young, partly due to coaches taking win/lose too seriously. You will see Taiwanese teams are dominating U12, U15 and U18, but rarely any successful MLB players. This is because by the time these players get to college ball, their arms are already toasted. Chien-ming Wang on the other hand, wasn't a star player back in school days, and fortunately avoided having to over use his arm.
But I guess I can say hopefully the over training is only to a small portion.dis guy added a lot of negative content that seemed not to be true.The small portion of over training is over,as news said about it.it’s ended like some 10 years ago maybe. Although it ended but you know that caused a outage of players that have big potential, but yeah we are getting back the track and also yeah we got into the scientific training stuff so pitchers are doing a lot faster now.
@@peterpiper9275what did he say that wasn't true? Please provide citations also with your rebuttals for evidence. Can't say this dude is lying without disproving him. Looks like you got caught in your feelings
@@peterpiper9275 Its still an issue now though. The players are still being over trained and worked, not as bad as they used to be, but still way more than kids in the west are. Look at Japanese youth baseball
the main 2 reasons it was unfair; the fact they were trained as professional athletes for 9 hours a day (as children) gives them a big advantage, and the fact they had the ability to handpick their team from the ENTIRE country's population of 14 million vs. a regular little league's district in a state (15,000) It's like letting a football team have every 1st and 2nd round draft pick, in 5 drafts. Every year.
Dude, the US does the same thing, all teams are all star teams with players from their own region. The only difference is that the US chops itself up into multiple regions. Not only that, the top US team automatically advances into the finals. The non-American teams play amongst each other and the winner playes against the American team. In other words, Team "America" automatically has a 50% chance of winning the series.
@@taoliu3949 yeah bud it is a league that was created in the US and they added international play to it so it makes sense they have more team. The all star teams you’re saying are still in a specific district so they’re not just the damn California state all star team, they’re still chosen from a district that the league is in.
@@jordanwhite2285 OP criticise how Taiwan had an "unfair advantage", I simply pointed out how its even more stacked for the US. And the criticism isn't about the US having more teams, it's about the League setting up the brackets so that there will ALWAYS be an American team playing at the finals. THAT is in itself unfair. Not only is it unfair, it was put in place only in 1975, prior to that all teams played in a single bracket. In other words, this is a later development specifically to give US teams an advantage to win the World Series. The All Star Teams are based off of school enrollment. The issue is that Taiwans schools are huge, many have as many as 4000 students. Using the 20k pop metric you would have to run MULTIPLE leagues within a school, this is why Taiwan left in 1997.
@@taoliu3949 you are only partially correct. In US, the all star teams are from local leagues - each of these leagues generally make up from 3-8 teams. The best players are picked from each team. It’s not like each state is hand picking the best 16 players from the entire state .. besides in America as it is now, the best players don’t even play little league anymore . They play travel ball so the teams you see from America are only going to get weaker
Kept saying they cheated much worse over and over, but it really never got THAT insane. I fell for it the first 10 times but dang finally 30 yrs later they actually lived up to the hype
Glad to see you cover Taiwanese baseball. I'm sure you'll cover the match fixing scandals that plagued Taiwan's professional league, the CPBL, in the 1990s and 2000s. There's all sorts of criminal activity that went on during those years.
@@Vitamortis. No I'm just saying I think it's an interesting topic and I'm sure that since he researched all this about Taiwanese youth baseball he'd go into the Professional scene too.
It is China tho lol. The "Taiwanese" government is about as internationally respected and powerful as texas' state government is (as a sovereign country )
@@ImAlxxy China does not own Taiwan, Taiwan has been a independent nation for years. China though is a country that hopefully one day collapses so that the people there can build a non-communist nation.
@@spyseefan975 I live in Asia for a decade, and not to stereotype, but a majority of the population in most of the countries over there is 5'7 and under. Taiwan regularly had 4-7 kids that were over that. I don't buy for a second that they didn't use overage players most years.
@@spyseefan975 “illegal team building” They literally took the best players from the entire nation and put them on a single team! That type of illegal team building is all one would need to dominate the little league World Series every year.
@@spyseefan975 when you have a team full of giants its obvious something isn't right. Kids aren't stupid. It doesn't even require using overage players. Your team is going to be significantly stronger, larger, and faster if you pull the best players from a population of 20 million instead of 15 thousand.
There's a great Taiwainese movie called Taipei Story which centers around a kid who used to play in a world class little league team, but now is a despondent and depressed adult. Highly suggest, this history lesson made me realize how good that movie actually was, and all it was trying to capture.
huge change even in just 40 years form a crazy 3rd world dictatorship to a relatively free well developed open market democracy.. big improvement for people in every aspect of life.
@@xanderrednaxx yeah i think people forget just how much better life has really gotten in taiwan in one generation. Its a great improvement.. I mean in political terms too not just economicaly.. Its good.. If more nations cN overcone such shitty social, political ect systems and normalise the world would be much better much faster.. People will say is just about an improvement in gdp but thays not all it is.. Its a change in thinking from dictatorial autocratic and almost cult-like social thinking, fear, terror, oppression as normal to freedom to think and say as you please without any duress its a huge change in peoples minds.. Look at the older people in taiwan for example.. Scrambled up by many generations of only oppressive and irrational dictatorial overlords. But in afew decades it has compleatly changed. The biggest asset to a society is rational mesured thinking and reasonable decision making being the standard in the population..
Nah...it's track and field...there are still world records from the 80s and maybe 90s where everyone knows there was steroids (lookin at you East Germany)...
@@Sadiqi Maybe take a glance the way of Flo-Jo and Justin Gatlin, Marion Jones, even Christian Coleman from more recent times. Pointing the finger elsewhere seems a little disingenuous. The eastern block countries may have had their issues back in the day but the US has far more recent examples in Track and Field and Baseball is littered with cheats from juiced up hitters to pitchers rubbing industrial solvents on their hands and lets not forget entire organisations engaging in stealing signs.
@@Sadiqi East Germany hasn't even existed over 30 years. Athletics has always had an issue with drug cheats from almost every nation but I'd be wary of pointing the finger when the US has plenty of skeletons in its own closet. Baseball history is littered with cheats from juiced up batters to pitchers using illegal substances on their hands. The sport is a total cheat fest with entire organisations involved like in Houston.
It's even more complicated than that... because a majority of the "good" players in Taiwan are actually indigenous Taiwanese people, who sadly like many native people around the world, face high levels of economic and social inequality. For many of these kids, it was the break many of their families needed. Keep in mind this was also during "White Terror" and marital law in Taiwan, when the government was a dictatorship and going against the government (KMT) would get you arrested or disappeared.
@@Entername-md1ev It isn't easy forget... February 28th is a national day of mourning to remember those that were arrested or killed by the KMT during White Terror. It is an issue that people openly and freely talk about, and that drives the Taiwanese identity today.
I remember how serious little league All-stars was when I was a kid. Wasn't as serious as China though. I remember things got real serious compared to the regular season. We'd practice early in the morning then at night. If it wasn't 115 degrees that time of year here I'm sure we would have been practicing all day. Seeing what these kids went through made it all seem irrelevant
I have to admit, for a highly controversial topic, both politically and athletically, you have done an admirable job. Most of your comments are objective and truthful. For someone who grew up in Taiwan during that time, I just like to add a few points: 1) The military style school work was not limited to the baseball players, but all the students in general. I used to spend 10 to 12 hours at school every day, and for me, I'd much rather spend the entire day playing ball than going to classes, the general students would get punished by their teachers for subpar grades no differently than the baseball players from their coaches. 2) The Taiwan/Republic of China governemnt didn't necessarily have to hire people to crush those who supported Taiwan Independence. The idea of Taiwan Independency was highly unpopular at the time, and people would voluntarily fight against it. Even today, it's still a very polarized topic and split right about 50-50, don't let the "mainstream media" fool you. 3) The Little League championships undoubtedly boosted the national pride for the people of Taiwan/Republic of China, but I never recalled any literatures demeaning or disrespecting the American kids, at least not anything published in Chinese. We were very happy we won, but using it as a Nazi-like racial propaganda? That was never the case. Thank you very much.
Are you sure you aren't a member of the 5cent army? 50-55% want a STRONG declaration of Independence (which for the last twenty years would have hurt Taiwanese companies using cheap Chinese labor) and 20%+ want to continue the status quo of an independent Taiwan without poking the panda. Literally 1/8 to at most 1/5 of the population want to be Communist.
Good points! While the issue of support for Taiwan's "Independence" may now involve a 50-50 split among its residents, credible public polling has long indicated that very few residents want be ruled by the PRC's communist-led government - especially so after their debacle in Hong Kong. However, if the PRC's government wasn't continually threatening to attack Taiwan, which is particularly 'over-the-top' when they believe some action or speech MIGHT show internal support for "independence", then I believe the overwhelming majority of Taiwan's citizenry would openly support their country re-confirming its independence from mainland China.
The fact that with all that success they have only managed to send 16 players to the MLB tells you all you need to know about their "development " of baseball players.
Baseball players don't get paid millions in Taiwan. In fact, the average salary is probably less than a regular job. Most of those little leaguers would simply go back to regular lives.
@@zvbx To produce more than 16 players, one nation needs to have a culture which a baseball player can have guarantee high income. Not everyone is eligible for MLB, without the high salary, most players don't want to risk everything for a MLB training camp. I am simply telling you why most physically gifted athletes do not choose baseball as a career in Taiwan. That's why only the few who dare to challenge MLB farm system get to work for MLB.
@@Civsuccess2 Then compare your theory to the Dominican Republic. There are plenty of Dominicans playing Major League Baseball because they are good enough to do so. Taiwan on the other hand doesn’t have that many MLB level baseball players and they have more resources. Taiwan won those titles due to cheating which even I figured when I was a child due to the fact that there were no players from Taiwan playing in the majors.
My uncle was on that 74 California team, from what I heard growing up he told me they were playing 16-18 year olds, he has now passed I’m glad I got to hear those stories of his 1974 little league team and how hard it was back then to even make it to Williamsport, what an interesting video! Great work!
Ah yes, my favorite and most entertaining channel for me, a huge baseball fan, has uploaded once again.😌. Seriously whenever he uploads ge makes my day better!!
I've followed Little League all my life. This is the first time I've heard about the ugly incidents among spectators in Williamsport during Taiwan's games. That and the egregious cheating that was going tells me that Little League headquarters leaders were likely "willfully blind" to the scandals that occurred on their watch and in LLB's event that is on the worldwide stage. Was there external pressure on LLB Headquarters leaders to avoid addressing the problem? I do know for a fact that because the Little League World Series is a truly international event the U.S. State Department appoints a liaison to Little League to navigate the passport issues.
Didn't they just copy the pro's though? Cheating is so embedded in the sport that picking on poor Taiwan is a little rough. The MLB has had enough cheats for them to have their own hall of fame.
Can't deny the historical facts about Taiwan in LLB, but the narrative on the geo-political conflict between the PRC and ROC sounds skewed towards the PRC...the nerve of these people wanting democracy 😁😁😁...
The Kirkland team that took the win against Taiwan still talks about it like it happened yesterday. I was in one of the rival leagues in the mid 2000s and some of the kids on that team now had kids on that same team 30 years later. Kinda nutty, I think there was a commemoration of the date on the pin we got by beating them in the TOC.
I remember measuring myself at 6.25" at age 12 and thought for sure I would be the next John Holmes. But it never really grew much beyond that. Still quite serviceable.
No doubt. As a kid in the early 80s, I played in a league what wasn't Little League but basically a clone of it. I played for two years (11-12 years old). The 2nd year, I was picked for the all-star team and went over to a neighboring state in a big tournament (or at least it seemed big coming from a town of 2000 people). The hometown umps were making insanely terrible calls against us. Several times over two games our coaches nearly forfeited games on the grounds that it was too cheated for us to get any kind of fair shake. I think they had us soldier on because they didn't want to set the example that you quit when you don't like how a game is going. We couldn't help but notice that the "12 year olds" on both games that we played were all 6 inches taller than us, outweighed us by like 30 lbs., and most of them were shaving already. They were clearly too old to be playing in that league and tons of parents complained. I was so damn disgusted that I never played baseball again. If this is what moving up is like, I don't want it. My small town's Babe Ruth league tried like hell to recruit me and said nope, I was just done with the whole damn thing. Between the whacko "my kid's a superstar who is going pro" parents (BTW, no kid from my hometown has EVER gone pro or even made a good showing in college ball) and the cheating that I had already witnessed, I walked away from all of it and even quit watching MLB.
Oh cool, I wrote a similarly lengthed and purposed paper on irregular warfare in the American Revolution and used Mao and the Chinese Civil War as a supporting example of such operations
"They were forced to stop playing baseball all together" - You had a chance to say "...stop playing baseball FOR-EVVV-RRRR" and you didn't take it. Shame. SHAMMME!
As a Taiwanese American I just want to say that the kids from Taitung Red Leaves were all indigenous taiwanese ( that's why one was married) and most of them didn't have birth certificates in the first place. Some kids skipped school a lot and never passed elementary school grades, resulting in some kids being 14 and still in 4th grade. Most kids there didn't even go to school and stayed home helping the family. The Taitung Red Leaves were based in the mountainside and didn't have money so they didn't train with proper equipment. It wasn't until they dominated the country that the ROC government stepped in and began initiating the illegal and cheating stuff mentioned in the video. (After this time China tried to rule the world of sports like "creating" Yao Ming.) In 2000 the government changed and in 2002 they rejoined little league (as mentioned in the video). To this day, baseball is one of Taiwan's best sports.
Disgraceful situation, thanks for putting it out there. In the last few years the LLWS has disallowed 13 year-olds -- now players are 10-12 years old. It has leveled the playing field and, with the dampered bats, the home run rate has dropped.
@@brianmeen2158 Except Taiwan never cheated and has been cleared multiple times. It's only salty white people who keep saying they cheated while simultaneously giving money to the Catholic church lmao.
@@brianmeen2158 The answer is 0. All of the cheating allegations were proven false, it's just salty yt sore losers still throwing around the accusations.
@@brianmeen2158 The answer is 0. All of the cheating allegations were proven false, it's salty yt Americans who still throw around the cheating allegations lol
My son play LL all stars , the best players from the small town, that are selected for the LL tournament The rules were you could start practicing as a team until after July 1 a week before the tournament started with first District, State, and Regionals . It’s these regional champions that get invited to Williamsport I remember a team in their district posed for newspaper team picture prior to the allowed date and was disqualified. I suspected Taiwan , and some other foreign teams didn’t adhere to the local team rules to draw from a wider area Our town had about 15,000 so we had one league. An neighboring to with 50,000 usually had three good teams. But imagine if they combined in on team how dominate they could be. In Taiwan taking the best players on the island and practicing year round instead of a week or two and their dominance becomes understandable.
I grew up in a pretty small town and out league usually had 4 teams, 5 at the max. Our town was maybe 10,000 people overall and I remember the local all star tournament we went to every year. Most of those teams were from areas with much larger populstions(20-30,000) so they obviously had much better teams. I have to believe that sone of these little league teams that make it to Williamsport often are from large districts or they are “rigging” their teams ..
But in terms of Taiwan, they literally took the best players from the entire nation so yeah it’s no wonder they put scored other teams by a crazy margin lol
Since the Junior League World Series happens in my backyard essentially every year, I've noticed how Taiwan/Chinese Taipei has managed to win that tournament like 8 of the last 10 years. Even beat our hometown local team from Taylor at this year's championship game 6-0, and that Taylor team had 11 of the 13 kids who won the LLWS in 2021 (the COVID tournament). While they might not be dominating the Little League level anymore, they still have a stranglehold over the Junior League level. But glad they learned their lesson to stop cheating after the 90s, I feel bad for the kids on their team who had to go through all that, and the kids on teams who lost to them because of these unfair conditions. All of them deserved better.
lol nephew Taiwan never cheated. The only reason Taiwan was accused of cheating was because of the Anglosphere being typical sore losers anytime they lose. Little League spent a long time doing the investigation and as biased they are towards the US and Europe, the most they could find was that due to Taiwan's population being highly urbanized, standard Little league "district" sizes just meant that the Taiwanese teams had way more players to choose from, and they were using actual professional baseball coaches instead of some overweight fat american dad with a beer belly making his son the starting pitcher. 🤣
I’m only 1 minute and 30 seconds in and I already have to give you a like and comment. That first minute was one of the most amazing intros I’ve heard on RUclips
The Chinese Taipei team came to our summer camp to play the counselors, many of whom were signficantly older than 12, and they were batting lefty a couple innings into the game they were dominating so much lol
We took a team from Kauai Hawaii to the juniors little league World Series in Taylor Michigan. We played Taipei in the championship game and lost. Back on island, a retired UCLA baseball coach contacted me to verify Taipei’s ages because in his 40+ years of baseball he never saw any 14 year old throw mid to high 80s. Kid was 6’3” throwing gas but one of our boys took him deep center field. The pitcher was extremely anxious with his head down, afraid to look at his coaches. So sad that these adults go to these lengths to win a youth championship. If the are really that good and that age, why aren’t they in the MLB?
"How dare this asian boy be taller than 4 feet tall! It completely ruins my racist stereotype of them!". They aren't in the MLB because the goal was to win the LLWS rather than developing baseball talents since Taiwan didn’t have a professional baseball league until 1990 and nowadays they prefer to go to Japan instead. 🤣
I actually think that was a way bigger upset than 82. 82 Kirkland was the best team with by far the best overall player in LL. Taiwan also barely beat Canada. Webster was clocked in the mid 70s which is almost 100mph from an MLB mound. Trumbull everyone thought was going to get slaughtered by San Pedro, CA. They won that game, and that was supposed to be the end of the Cinderella story. Drury was on the hill vs Taiwan but his fastball was maybe 61 mph tops.
I went to Williamsport in 1990 to watch the tournament. And after watching Taiwan play, I said wait a minute I’ve seen this manager before. Little League rules forbids the use of a national coach, but here the same guy was coaching another “town’s” team. If I knew what was going on, how could those that run Little League not know what was going on?
I am from Taiwan. People need a hero and legend. As to the South Africa rugby world cup. Despite this, the island did build a baseball culture still lasting today
Your videos are more entertaining than the actual sport of baseball for me! I love your videos and I'm subscribed to your channel keep doing good work bro! Thanks for the vids!!!!
I remember growing up in the 70/80s watching LLWS and that team. It was unbelievable and good to know what happened. Poor kids on the Taiwan side, they never got a real chance to be children and grow up normally.
I remember growing up watching the little league World Series and the Asian team always winning by a large margin. I never suspected they were rigging their teams to that degree though. I just thought they were that dedicated and they definitely were and are but they also rigged their teams lol
This is actually really fucking heartbreaking. America has plenty of their own stories of young athletes being overworked and pressured in extreme ways to succeed but nothing quite like this. These poor kids were merely puppets to the adults running the country for ridiculous political reasons. Terrible.
1. Absolutely insane I’ve never heard or read about this before, and I follow baseball religiously. 2. This raises my suspicion on the Japan teams that make their way through Williamsport with ease. They’ve previously been outspoken of players attending what seem to be baseball schools/academies. Maybe similar situations? I could just be too baked right now but idk man
Baseball academies aren't the problem. High level child athletes here do the same in all sports -- in fact it's almost a necessity these days. It's everything else they were doing wrong -- depriving them of education as early as elementary school, the illegal reshuffling of teams that effectively ensured the best starting 9 in the whole country was on the field, etc.
japans cheating is probably regionalized like when it happens in the US... then it would be down to cultural willingness to investigate corruption. Japan has a national high school tournament with very strict rules so there's nothing new about people trying to skirt the rules.
@TJ I mean I feel like commenting about how one Asian country cheating probably means that another Asian country that's known to have a deep love for baseball must be cheating simply on the basis that they're both Asian countries is like, kind of suspect. that's just my onion
Imagine if they made a little league baseball video game in 97 with the op taiwanese team, no one would want to go to your house to play you in LLWS ‘97 when youre winning 10-0 after the 1st inning
At 8:24 the banner trailing the airplane reads "Long Live Taiwanese Independence" 台湾独立万岁. However, this is very odd, because the Chinese is written in simplified characters, which have never been adopted in Taiwan, where people take pride in using the unadulterated traditional, or complex, characters. For those of you that don't read Chinese (most of you, I'm sure), compare the difference between simplified and traditional characters: Traditional: 台灣獨立萬歲 Simplified: 台湾独立万岁 There is a very significant difference between the two systems, as you can see. Aesthetically, the complexity and nuance of the written Chinese language is retained in the traditional characters, while the simplified characters appear dumbed down and adulterated, even crippled. Politically speaking, the simplified character system was devised by a language committee appointed by the Chinese Communist Party across the strait. Practically, it was never taught or adopted in Taiwan. These days, with direct flights between Taiwan and China, high trading volume, and hundreds of thousands of people born and raised in Taiwan residing in China, there is a degree of familiarity with simplified Chinese among the populace. However, it is not formally taught and is still viewed as a dumbed down version of the written language. So I find it odd that the airplane banner was rendered in simplified Chinese, when for practical, aesthetic, and especially political reasons no one from Taiwan would have used simplified characters at that time. It seems likely that it was sent up by forces loyal to the PRC as a provocation, to stir up division and unrest among Taiwanese and mainlanders living in Taiwan.
I don't know if this video is trying to be politically correct. During that period, we call Taiwan as Taiwan not China. The Taiwan people wants to be called Taiwanese not Chinese. Nowadays, some of the goods made in Taiwan is now "Made in China". I got Jordan and Nike shoes from the 80s that says Made in Taiwan. Today's Jordans is either Made in China or Made in Vietnam. I am not sure if Nike is still being made in Taiwan.
they can be called watever the fk they want, they still bleed CHINESE OK?>>>> THEY FKING CHINESE THEY SPEAK MANDARIN IN TAWIAN THERE AINT NO TIAWANESE DYUMBFK
Ive watched the games every year since I was a kid in the 70s/80s and I rooted SO hard for the American team because we all KNEW they were cheating. ALL the foreign countries were cheating...
I always rooted for America but at such a young age(8-9) I didn’t think they were cheating . Now I find out how much they cheated and it’s sad . They cheated many players and teams out of possible accolades
Lots of teams cheat and it's all due to adults interfering with an innocent kids game. I've been cheated out of titles by awful umping, paid off umps, awful coaches, and by mega teams. And these mega teams normally had maybe a selection of 2000 kids to choose from, not 100000. That's insane when u can make up a whole team from 15million people. That's so unfair, my highschool had maybe 100 athletes total and when we faced a private school that selects kids as athletes from multiple states and we win. It was huge just based on how many options that school had to win over others
@@napalm8030 Nah, that's Europe. There was a massive scandal cause Spain sent an entire basketball team who pretended to be disabled in order to win the gold medal.
If I was 12, and a DOCTOR(who probably wasn’t a very good one but still) thought I was an adult from just look at my “private parts” I’d have the BIGGEST ego boost ever
🤣
Good one bro
From what I read they check to see if you're rocking a full bush instead of size. 12 year olds don't rock full bushes.🤣
The fact that their entire lives were about playing baseball and then they got kicked off the team they worked their asses off for, that probably meant nothing
Go into porn?
Imagine getting cut from the team because you were packing too much shmeat
All the shit you could talk to your small shmeat teammates.
Biggest ego boost you can have
Relatable
Kinda a W tho
suffering from success
11:08 Fun fact the doctor that invented the scale for judging genital development would always testify against any side in court trying to use his scale to determine age, generally in CP cases where the subject's identity was unknown. Because he created it for the diagnosis and analysis of precocious and delayed puberty. That's all it's actually good for is estimating where you are in puberty. Although I bet he never expected little league age requirements to be a context his scale would be misused.
Jerry Sandusky has entered the chatroom.
Lots of medical advancements end up being abused. Look at Kerry Mullis' PCR process.
@@A.F.Whitepigeon That wasn't genital, that was breast tissue. Also Puerto Rico and in a rather startling turn of events ... she was arrested for manufacturing some herself.
@@shanepan5568 nice lmao
So with respect to the dissonance between original intent and modern popular (mis)use, the Tanner scale is similar to IQ tests. Tfw the Tanner scale is literally a dick IQ test
Came for a baseball video, left with a 17 minute history lesson on Taiwan
Baseball doesn't exist bro, aren't you paying attention??
@@nunyabusiness5275 this deserves more likes
@@TateTheTalisman your mom deserves more likes
you mean a history lesson on what roc did to taiwanese citizens
Thanks, I’m not watching now
Even though it wasn't mentioned in the video, this explains the motivation of Filipino leaders to cheat their way to a Little League World Series championship in 1992. They were tired of losing to Taiwan in the Far East Regional Tournament. So at the end of the Philippines national tournament, they replaced many of the championship team's players with players from other teams to form a national team to compete in the Far East regional and then the World Series. But they got caught and had to forfeit the LLWS championship game to Long Beach, California. Long Beach had a young team in 1992 and returned to Williamsport in 1993 and won the title on the field.
Yeah he did another video which went into detail about that story.
it was a literal arms race, lol
bull caca propaganda ....the USA corrupts its way to top of world sports. ...
Yeah, that California team from 1993, that was the team where one of the parents, a dad, actually got in my face, screaming his head off at me. When I was 10. For selling a soda to some kids sitting down and in front of that dad!
That's right. A big manly.man got in my a ten year old kid's face for making extra pocket money. A kid who was younger than his own son on that team!
Dude got escorted off the premises and lost his family pass for the rest of the Series because of that! 🤣
Stop Asian Hate.....so much racism no wonder America lost Vietnam War !
Lost 17-1 to them in ‘91. They feasted on us Canadians haha. I didn’t think they were older. But we knew about their school system.
at least you scored unlike most lol
It wasn't just their schooling system though - they were basically pulling their team from the whole country, rather than individualized leagues of smaller populations. If Canada or the US did that they would probably dominate too - get the largest, most coordinated kids in the country and train them to play baseball. It's a huge advantage at this age because of how variable the onset of puberty can be.
I agree with bigger pools to pick from it makes a huge difference
My home town of glace bay N.S. had a pop of about 17k
We compete with teams here in Canada from Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal.
Even if we were to pick the top kids just from our province. We would make the llws way more frequently.
@@bobbycrosby9765 Huh? That's a serious accusation not backed by any sources I know of. In 1996, the reasons were well-known and published. Per ESPN: "After teams from Taiwan won the series in 1995 and '96, Little League officials said they would more strictly enforce league residency rules, which had long been a problem in Taiwan. Public schools in Taiwan were often larger than their U.S. counterparts, allowing leagues to draw from a larger talent pool.
Taiwan also was accused of allowing teams to practice out of season." Taiwan is 20x denser than the US, the size of Maryland with the population of Florida. It could not satisfy the < 1000 students per school requirement which US gleefully spun as "cheating", that along with practicing too much, which is apparently also cheating if you "practice out of season".
@@prufrock the video said they shuffled players from other teams that already lost. That has the same affect as pulling players from the whole population. Are you saying the video is wrong?
That team that ended their streak was from Kirkland, WA. I highly encourage people to watch that 30 for 30 show done on them. #20 shown in this video was one of those big kids that just dominated everybody, and he talks about his experience growing up after and how he just became average when everyone else started to catch up in size.
They didn’t dominate
@@spike8642 True ... if it wasn't for a walk-off miracle in the Regionals they never would have made it to Wiiliamsport
Yeah some kids mature much faster than others. I remember a few ‘monsters’ in our league as a kid but by the middle of high school they weren’t that scary anymore
@@spike8642 He didn't say they dominated, he was talking specifically about Cody Webster. He definitely dominated, 73-75 mph fastball, 7-0, numerous HR's going into the world championship game.
My hometown!!
This also brings up another issue with Taiwanese baseball system. Kids are trained too hard when they were young, partly due to coaches taking win/lose too seriously. You will see Taiwanese teams are dominating U12, U15 and U18, but rarely any successful MLB players. This is because by the time these players get to college ball, their arms are already toasted. Chien-ming Wang on the other hand, wasn't a star player back in school days, and fortunately avoided having to over use his arm.
But I guess I can say hopefully the over training is only to a small portion.dis guy added a lot of negative content that seemed not to be true.The small portion of over training is over,as news said about it.it’s ended like some 10 years ago maybe. Although it ended but you know that caused a outage of players that have big potential, but yeah we are getting back the track and also yeah we got into the scientific training stuff so pitchers are doing a lot faster now.
@@peterpiper9275what did he say that wasn't true? Please provide citations also with your rebuttals for evidence. Can't say this dude is lying without disproving him. Looks like you got caught in your feelings
@@peterpiper9275 Its still an issue now though. The players are still being over trained and worked, not as bad as they used to be, but still way more than kids in the west are. Look at Japanese youth baseball
the main 2 reasons it was unfair; the fact they were trained as professional athletes for 9 hours a day (as children) gives them a big advantage, and the fact they had the ability to handpick their team from the ENTIRE country's population of 14 million vs. a regular little league's district in a state (15,000) It's like letting a football team have every 1st and 2nd round draft pick, in 5 drafts. Every year.
Dude, the US does the same thing, all teams are all star teams with players from their own region. The only difference is that the US chops itself up into multiple regions. Not only that, the top US team automatically advances into the finals. The non-American teams play amongst each other and the winner playes against the American team. In other words, Team "America" automatically has a 50% chance of winning the series.
The video is made up ... LOL you take it like facts LOL
@@taoliu3949 yeah bud it is a league that was created in the US and they added international play to it so it makes sense they have more team. The all star teams you’re saying are still in a specific district so they’re not just the damn California state all star team, they’re still chosen from a district that the league is in.
@@jordanwhite2285 OP criticise how Taiwan had an "unfair advantage", I simply pointed out how its even more stacked for the US. And the criticism isn't about the US having more teams, it's about the League setting up the brackets so that there will ALWAYS be an American team playing at the finals. THAT is in itself unfair. Not only is it unfair, it was put in place only in 1975, prior to that all teams played in a single bracket. In other words, this is a later development specifically to give US teams an advantage to win the World Series.
The All Star Teams are based off of school enrollment. The issue is that Taiwans schools are huge, many have as many as 4000 students. Using the 20k pop metric you would have to run MULTIPLE leagues within a school, this is why Taiwan left in 1997.
@@taoliu3949 you are only partially correct. In US, the all star teams are from local leagues - each of these leagues generally make up from 3-8 teams. The best players are picked from each team. It’s not like each state is hand picking the best 16 players from the entire state .. besides in America as it is now, the best players don’t even play little league anymore . They play travel ball so the teams you see from America are only going to get weaker
To be honest I thought all the international teams were basically composed of the best players in the country
You easily have the best introductions on the platform. So captivating.
"get ready for some shit so fucked up you will never doubt what our absurd world is capable of producing! and baseball."
Yup!
I’ve never been so stoked to watch a video ever than when I hear his intros.
Couldn't agree more.
I wanna know the song you put when the title card shows up.
Kept saying they cheated much worse over and over, but it really never got THAT insane. I fell for it the first 10 times but dang finally 30 yrs later they actually lived up to the hype
Glad to see you cover Taiwanese baseball. I'm sure you'll cover the match fixing scandals that plagued Taiwan's professional league, the CPBL, in the 1990s and 2000s. There's all sorts of criminal activity that went on during those years.
do you really need to humble brag about your knowledge
@@Vitamortis. No I'm just saying I think it's an interesting topic and I'm sure that since he researched all this about Taiwanese youth baseball he'd go into the Professional scene too.
Taiwan isn’t a Country
@@George_Fl0yd ok?
@@George_Fl0yd You are right, it's the real China.
I was looking forward to hearing about the 26-0 Canada game. That year canadian baseball was proud they had an amazing squad
Canada was never competitive in little league baseball. Taiwan only lost to them once before or after they banned the all star team
Sad they had to go up against a stacked team like that when they were totally by the book. Must have crushed those kids.
Seeing China in quotes makes me already think this is already going to be an amazing video.
China more like Western Taiwan am I right
It is China tho lol. The "Taiwanese" government is about as internationally respected and powerful as texas' state government is (as a sovereign country )
I found the video’s stance on ROC’s territorial claims to be a bit unsettling.
@@MrSniperFromMars
Based and socially bankrupt
@@ImAlxxy China does not own Taiwan, Taiwan has been a independent nation for years. China though is a country that hopefully one day collapses so that the people there can build a non-communist nation.
I saw some of these games live. I grew up like 20 miles away from Williamsport. Even as a kid it was obvious those teams were cheating.
Chris Drury once said some of the Taiwan players in 89 that his Trumbull team upset were bigger than he was during his NHL playing days.
I doubt many kids would notice illegal team building and no education, which as far as I can tell was the only actual cheating.
@@spyseefan975 I live in Asia for a decade, and not to stereotype, but a majority of the population in most of the countries over there is 5'7 and under. Taiwan regularly had 4-7 kids that were over that. I don't buy for a second that they didn't use overage players most years.
@@spyseefan975 “illegal team building”
They literally took the best players from the entire nation and put them on a single team! That type of illegal team building is all one would need to dominate the little league World Series every year.
@@spyseefan975 when you have a team full of giants its obvious something isn't right. Kids aren't stupid.
It doesn't even require using overage players. Your team is going to be significantly stronger, larger, and faster if you pull the best players from a population of 20 million instead of 15 thousand.
There's a great Taiwainese movie called Taipei Story which centers around a kid who used to play in a world class little league team, but now is a despondent and depressed adult. Highly suggest, this history lesson made me realize how good that movie actually was, and all it was trying to capture.
Its insane that Taiwan changed so damn much just over 70 years. Though learning the dark sides of my country is quite importent. Good honest content
Maybe China is right to fuck them over
huge change even in just 40 years form a crazy 3rd world dictatorship to a relatively free well developed open market democracy.. big improvement for people in every aspect of life.
@@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 true!
@@xanderrednaxx yeah i think people forget just how much better life has really gotten in taiwan in one generation. Its a great improvement.. I mean in political terms too not just economicaly.. Its good.. If more nations cN overcone such shitty social, political ect systems and normalise the world would be much better much faster.. People will say is just about an improvement in gdp but thays not all it is.. Its a change in thinking from dictatorial autocratic and almost cult-like social thinking, fear, terror, oppression as normal to freedom to think and say as you please without any duress its a huge change in peoples minds.. Look at the older people in taiwan for example.. Scrambled up by many generations of only oppressive and irrational dictatorial overlords. But in afew decades it has compleatly changed. The biggest asset to a society is rational mesured thinking and reasonable decision making being the standard in the population..
@@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 good points! Wish the ppl living under CCP's broken roof could understand this.
You did it again, great video.
The Little League World Series might have the deepest history of cheating in all of athletics and I love it.
Nah...it's track and field...there are still world records from the 80s and maybe 90s where everyone knows there was steroids (lookin at you East Germany)...
@@Sadiqi Maybe take a glance the way of Flo-Jo and Justin Gatlin, Marion Jones, even Christian Coleman from more recent times. Pointing the finger elsewhere seems a little disingenuous. The eastern block countries may have had their issues back in the day but the US has far more recent examples in Track and Field and Baseball is littered with cheats from juiced up hitters to pitchers rubbing industrial solvents on their hands and lets not forget entire organisations engaging in stealing signs.
@@mathewjones8886 you named individuals I'm talkin about whole national teams...
@yossarian olympics>little league
a whole Olympic national team (actually teams) of grown adults beats little kids...
@@Sadiqi East Germany hasn't even existed over 30 years. Athletics has always had an issue with drug cheats from almost every nation but I'd be wary of pointing the finger when the US has plenty of skeletons in its own closet. Baseball history is littered with cheats from juiced up batters to pitchers using illegal substances on their hands. The sport is a total cheat fest with entire organisations involved like in Houston.
It's even more complicated than that... because a majority of the "good" players in Taiwan are actually indigenous Taiwanese people, who sadly like many native people around the world, face high levels of economic and social inequality. For many of these kids, it was the break many of their families needed. Keep in mind this was also during "White Terror" and marital law in Taiwan, when the government was a dictatorship and going against the government (KMT) would get you arrested or disappeared.
Taiwan is a liberal democracy today but it’s easy to forget just a generation ago, their regime was just as brutal as the one in China right now
@@Entername-md1ev It isn't easy forget... February 28th is a national day of mourning to remember those that were arrested or killed by the KMT during White Terror. It is an issue that people openly and freely talk about, and that drives the Taiwanese identity today.
@@beng1540 and today we celebrate the time a dude jumped in a river
South Korea was a dictatorship prior to the 90s as well.
I remember how serious little league All-stars was when I was a kid. Wasn't as serious as China though. I remember things got real serious compared to the regular season. We'd practice early in the morning then at night. If it wasn't 115 degrees that time of year here I'm sure we would have been practicing all day. Seeing what these kids went through made it all seem irrelevant
I have to admit, for a highly controversial topic, both politically and athletically, you have done an admirable job. Most of your comments are objective and truthful. For someone who grew up in Taiwan during that time, I just like to add a few points:
1) The military style school work was not limited to the baseball players, but all the students in general. I used to spend 10 to 12 hours at school every day, and for me, I'd much rather spend the entire day playing ball than going to classes, the general students would get punished by their teachers for subpar grades no differently than the baseball players from their coaches.
2) The Taiwan/Republic of China governemnt didn't necessarily have to hire people to crush those who supported Taiwan Independence. The idea of Taiwan Independency was highly unpopular at the time, and people would voluntarily fight against it. Even today, it's still a very polarized topic and split right about 50-50, don't let the "mainstream media" fool you.
3) The Little League championships undoubtedly boosted the national pride for the people of Taiwan/Republic of China, but I never recalled any literatures demeaning or disrespecting the American kids, at least not anything published in Chinese. We were very happy we won, but using it as a Nazi-like racial propaganda? That was never the case.
Thank you very much.
Are you sure you aren't a member of the 5cent army? 50-55% want a STRONG declaration of Independence (which for the last twenty years would have hurt Taiwanese companies using cheap Chinese labor) and 20%+ want to continue the status quo of an independent Taiwan without poking the panda.
Literally 1/8 to at most 1/5 of the population want to be Communist.
Your 3rd bullet point makes sense. The Taiwanese kids and coaches always seemed very respectful after those games and never rubbed it in.
Good points! While the issue of support for Taiwan's "Independence" may now involve a 50-50 split among its residents, credible public polling has long indicated that very few residents want be ruled by the PRC's communist-led government - especially so after their debacle in Hong Kong.
However, if the PRC's government wasn't continually threatening to attack Taiwan, which is particularly 'over-the-top' when they believe some action or speech MIGHT show internal support for "independence", then I believe the overwhelming majority of Taiwan's citizenry would openly support their country re-confirming its independence from mainland China.
It's kind of insane to see how much political warfare is used in sports. Feel bad for these kiddos. They were players in someone else's game.
The fact that with all that success they have only managed to send 16 players to the MLB tells you all you need to know about their "development " of baseball players.
Baseball players don't get paid millions in Taiwan. In fact, the average salary is probably less than a regular job. Most of those little leaguers would simply go back to regular lives.
As a Taiwanese, our government cares more about academics than sports or pretty much in every Asian countries.
@@Civsuccess2 HokiePitcher22 didn’t say anything about professional baseball in Taiwan. He or she mentioned MLB.
@@zvbx To produce more than 16 players, one nation needs to have a culture which a baseball player can have guarantee high income. Not everyone is eligible for MLB, without the high salary, most players don't want to risk everything for a MLB training camp. I am simply telling you why most physically gifted athletes do not choose baseball as a career in Taiwan. That's why only the few who dare to challenge MLB farm system get to work for MLB.
@@Civsuccess2 Then compare your theory to the Dominican Republic. There are plenty of Dominicans playing Major League Baseball because they are good enough to do so. Taiwan on the other hand doesn’t have that many MLB level baseball players and they have more resources. Taiwan won those titles due to cheating which even I figured when I was a child due to the fact that there were no players from Taiwan playing in the majors.
Great content as always!!! Let’s hope we get a season!!!😭😭😭
You know on Saturday they say there hop-fully meeting for the last time
we are def getting a season
Keep crying
@@NightcorEDM keep being a wanker
My uncle was on that 74 California team, from what I heard growing up he told me they were playing 16-18 year olds, he has now passed I’m glad I got to hear those stories of his 1974 little league team and how hard it was back then to even make it to Williamsport, what an interesting video! Great work!
Just call them Taiwan, the "China" label just pisses both sides off lol
it’s the republic of china, cry commie
@@joshuaglaszek51 it's just stupid and less efficient
@@joshuaglaszek51 nah it's chinese taipei, part of the peoples republic of china. cope seethe and dilate, fash
@@RUclipsChannel-ll6sw It’s literally not tho. Commies are such smooth brains lulz
@@RUclipsChannel-ll6sw do research bruh
Ah yes, my favorite and most entertaining channel for me, a huge baseball fan, has uploaded once again.😌. Seriously whenever he uploads ge makes my day better!!
I've followed Little League all my life. This is the first time I've heard about the ugly incidents among spectators in Williamsport during Taiwan's games. That and the egregious cheating that was going tells me that Little League headquarters leaders were likely "willfully blind" to the scandals that occurred on their watch and in LLB's event that is on the worldwide stage. Was there external pressure on LLB Headquarters leaders to avoid addressing the problem? I do know for a fact that because the Little League World Series is a truly international event the U.S. State Department appoints a liaison to Little League to navigate the passport issues.
Didn't they just copy the pro's though? Cheating is so embedded in the sport that picking on poor Taiwan is a little rough. The MLB has had enough cheats for them to have their own hall of fame.
@@mathewjones8886 not much honor in any sport now. They've all been ruined.
@@brucerockwell337 Difficult to argue with that point. Money has corrupted almost any sport of note to some degree.
You're kidding!
Can't deny the historical facts about Taiwan in LLB, but the narrative on the geo-political conflict between the PRC and ROC sounds skewed towards the PRC...the nerve of these people wanting democracy 😁😁😁...
Fun fact: the 2017 Houston Astros championship team was actually a Taiwanese little league team.
Fun fact: Astros are still champions. Cry about it
@@lc2724 Fun fact: Astros are still champions*. Cry about it.
@@lc2724 Fck the ‘stros
@@lc2724 Braves won. Cope.
Lol
The Kirkland team that took the win against Taiwan still talks about it like it happened yesterday. I was in one of the rival leagues in the mid 2000s and some of the kids on that team now had kids on that same team 30 years later. Kinda nutty, I think there was a commemoration of the date on the pin we got by beating them in the TOC.
I remember measuring myself at 6.25" at age 12 and thought for sure I would be the next John Holmes. But it never really grew much beyond that. Still quite serviceable.
this is a very sad story, because these were just kids doing what they were told to do and in the end, everyone lost.
I'd like to see a single youth baseball organization that wasn't corrupt in some way, shape, or form.
No doubt. As a kid in the early 80s, I played in a league what wasn't Little League but basically a clone of it. I played for two years (11-12 years old). The 2nd year, I was picked for the all-star team and went over to a neighboring state in a big tournament (or at least it seemed big coming from a town of 2000 people). The hometown umps were making insanely terrible calls against us. Several times over two games our coaches nearly forfeited games on the grounds that it was too cheated for us to get any kind of fair shake. I think they had us soldier on because they didn't want to set the example that you quit when you don't like how a game is going.
We couldn't help but notice that the "12 year olds" on both games that we played were all 6 inches taller than us, outweighed us by like 30 lbs., and most of them were shaving already. They were clearly too old to be playing in that league and tons of parents complained. I was so damn disgusted that I never played baseball again. If this is what moving up is like, I don't want it. My small town's Babe Ruth league tried like hell to recruit me and said nope, I was just done with the whole damn thing. Between the whacko "my kid's a superstar who is going pro" parents (BTW, no kid from my hometown has EVER gone pro or even made a good showing in college ball) and the cheating that I had already witnessed, I walked away from all of it and even quit watching MLB.
I wrote a 20 page paper for my degree about the Chinese civil war and the formation of Taiwan, and you explained it better than I ever could.
Yikes...
You should be embarrassed.
Oh cool, I wrote a similarly lengthed and purposed paper on irregular warfare in the American Revolution and used Mao and the Chinese Civil War as a supporting example of such operations
@@lesmurphy5369 chill lol
@@jacobhamblin4255 lol
"They were forced to stop playing baseball all together" - You had a chance to say "...stop playing baseball FOR-EVVV-RRRR" and you didn't take it. Shame. SHAMMME!
Only if he does the Mickey Rooney accent lol
You had a chance to say "you're killin' me smalls"
@@OH_MY_DOGGG YESS THISS!
@@OH_MY_DOGGG YES
As a Taiwanese American I just want to say that the kids from Taitung Red Leaves were all indigenous taiwanese ( that's why one was married) and most of them didn't have birth certificates in the first place. Some kids skipped school a lot and never passed elementary school grades, resulting in some kids being 14 and still in 4th grade. Most kids there didn't even go to school and stayed home helping the family. The Taitung Red Leaves were based in the mountainside and didn't have money so they didn't train with proper equipment. It wasn't until they dominated the country that the ROC government stepped in and began initiating the illegal and cheating stuff mentioned in the video. (After this time China tried to rule the world of sports like "creating" Yao Ming.) In 2000 the government changed and in 2002 they rejoined little league (as mentioned in the video). To this day, baseball is one of Taiwan's best sports.
How can it be Taiwan's best sport?!! They've been cheating for DECADES, lmfao...
Good Lord, that was entertaining and informative. Absolutely engaging 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼. Can’t wait for my husband to come home to play this for him!
Is it true the documentary ESPN made on Taiwan losing the 1983 Little League World Series was called ‘Miracle on Rice’?
I grew up and still live right next to Kirkland WA. That 1982 lil league world series win is still the pride of Kirkland.
bro im from Taiwan and its so crazy to see my favorite baseball channel talk about my country!
Disgraceful situation, thanks for putting it out there. In the last few years the LLWS has disallowed 13 year-olds -- now players are 10-12 years old. It has leveled the playing field and, with the dampered bats, the home run rate has dropped.
Just think of how many teams and players were completely cheated by Taiwan over the years though. It’s tragic
@@brianmeen2158 Except Taiwan never cheated and has been cleared multiple times. It's only salty white people who keep saying they cheated while simultaneously giving money to the Catholic church lmao.
@@brianmeen2158 The answer is 0. All of the cheating allegations were proven false, it's just salty yt sore losers still throwing around the accusations.
"disgraceful situation" = how dare these asian kids beat us at our own game! They must have cheated. Sour yt tears never stop flowing lol
@@brianmeen2158 The answer is 0. All of the cheating allegations were proven false, it's salty yt Americans who still throw around the cheating allegations lol
This channel is one of the 2 I actually learn something I didn’t already know on
Whats the other?
@@yfAchoone either nexpo....Jose....or history buffs lol
Nebraska joe nelson, Oh okay. I was thinking either Foolish or SRS, hell maybe even iTalk Studios
@@yfAchoone probably Kurzesgazt or however you spell it
So you only watch 2 channels?
-1,000,000,000 social credit for competing in the LWS as a country
LOL
My son play LL all stars , the best players from the small town,
that are selected for the LL tournament
The rules were you could start practicing as a team until after July 1 a week before the tournament started with first District, State,
and Regionals . It’s these regional champions that get invited to Williamsport
I remember a team in their district posed for newspaper team picture prior to the allowed date and was disqualified.
I suspected Taiwan , and some other foreign teams didn’t adhere to the local team rules to draw from a wider area
Our town had about 15,000 so we had one league.
An neighboring to with 50,000 usually had three good teams.
But imagine if they combined in on team how dominate they could be.
In Taiwan taking the best players on the island and practicing year round instead of a week or two and their dominance becomes understandable.
I grew up in a pretty small town and out league usually had 4 teams, 5 at the max. Our town was maybe 10,000 people overall and I remember the local all star tournament we went to every year. Most of those teams were from areas with much larger populstions(20-30,000) so they obviously had much better teams. I have to believe that sone of these little league teams that make it to Williamsport often are from large districts or they are “rigging” their teams ..
But in terms of Taiwan, they literally took the best players from the entire nation so yeah it’s no wonder they put scored other teams by a crazy margin lol
Imagine an actual riot breaking out over a Little League game
These are always some of the craziest and most fascinating videos I watch
I wish your videos were longer. I can watch these videos all day, I love them. One of my favorite channels on RUclips.
ahhhh....so baseball in Taiwan is like 'football' in Texas.
Since the Junior League World Series happens in my backyard essentially every year, I've noticed how Taiwan/Chinese Taipei has managed to win that tournament like 8 of the last 10 years. Even beat our hometown local team from Taylor at this year's championship game 6-0, and that Taylor team had 11 of the 13 kids who won the LLWS in 2021 (the COVID tournament). While they might not be dominating the Little League level anymore, they still have a stranglehold over the Junior League level. But glad they learned their lesson to stop cheating after the 90s, I feel bad for the kids on their team who had to go through all that, and the kids on teams who lost to them because of these unfair conditions. All of them deserved better.
lol nephew Taiwan never cheated. The only reason Taiwan was accused of cheating was because of the Anglosphere being typical sore losers anytime they lose. Little League spent a long time doing the investigation and as biased they are towards the US and Europe, the most they could find was that due to Taiwan's population being highly urbanized, standard Little league "district" sizes just meant that the Taiwanese teams had way more players to choose from, and they were using actual professional baseball coaches instead of some overweight fat american dad with a beer belly making his son the starting pitcher. 🤣
All 17 little league championship titles that won by Republic of China/Chinese Taipei/Taiwan from 1969-1996 should all got revoked/stripped away
I agree 500%!
Boo hoo
@@robertperry8392 I agree 420.69%
Taiwan! Not China! What the hell are people not getting about that?
@@felipepineda1585 it’s literally our country’s name, the republic of China….
I’m only 1 minute and 30 seconds in and I already have to give you a like and comment. That first minute was one of the most amazing intros I’ve heard on RUclips
Not banned for being too good, banned for violating child labor standards.
I was listening to a podcast yesterday about sports washing and this is just like it
The Chinese Taipei team came to our summer camp to play the counselors, many of whom were signficantly older than 12, and they were batting lefty a couple innings into the game they were dominating so much lol
Was wondering the other day when you were gonna upload again. Love your vids man I watch them over and over keep it up man.
I moved to Trumbull CT in 1990, they won against Taiwan the year before, it was all they talked about for that year.
We took a team from Kauai Hawaii to the juniors little league World Series in Taylor Michigan. We played Taipei in the championship game and lost. Back on island, a retired UCLA baseball coach contacted me to verify Taipei’s ages because in his 40+ years of baseball he never saw any 14 year old throw mid to high 80s. Kid was 6’3” throwing gas but one of our boys took him deep center field. The pitcher was extremely anxious with his head down, afraid to look at his coaches. So sad that these adults go to these lengths to win a youth championship. If the are really that good and that age, why aren’t they in the MLB?
"How dare this asian boy be taller than 4 feet tall! It completely ruins my racist stereotype of them!". They aren't in the MLB because the goal was to win the LLWS rather than developing baseball talents since Taiwan didn’t have a professional baseball league until 1990 and nowadays they prefer to go to Japan instead. 🤣
I noticed you left out ‘89; when I was 12 and played little league; and my hometown, Trumbull, CT; beat Taiwan.
I actually think that was a way bigger upset than 82. 82 Kirkland was the best team with by far the best overall player in LL. Taiwan also barely beat Canada. Webster was clocked in the mid 70s which is almost 100mph from an MLB mound. Trumbull everyone thought was going to get slaughtered by San Pedro, CA. They won that game, and that was supposed to be the end of the Cinderella story. Drury was on the hill vs Taiwan but his fastball was maybe 61 mph tops.
The build up to your intro is always _so_ good.
Died from a “car accident” and “alcohol poisoning”
Damn, I think this was your best video yet, what an interesting topic
As a kid in early 70’s, I remember those Taiwan teams.
It was useless.
Knew they could never be beat.
And, we knew something wasn’t right.
You knew because you were a salty whiteboi 🤣
Wow you made this topic!!! I am a big fan of this channel from Taiwan. Glad you make it super clear and objective.
I went to Williamsport in 1990 to watch the tournament. And after watching Taiwan play, I said wait a minute I’ve seen this manager before. Little League rules forbids the use of a national coach, but here the same guy was coaching another “town’s” team. If I knew what was going on, how could those that run Little League not know what was going on?
...no way, you didn't know all Asian rook-a-rike?
Sounds like a little national bribery of LL officials.
@@kaox44 shhh incel shhh
@@nuraby_9228 …no way, you tou?
The doctor walking out of the training room in Taiwan: "that kid is freaking PACKING."
I am from Taiwan. People need a hero and legend. As to the South Africa rugby world cup. Despite this, the island did build a baseball culture still lasting today
You're from China?
Bishop Sycamore before it was Bishop Sycamore but on a whole other level.
I was confused why the China in the title had quotes around it. Now I understand.
Your videos are more entertaining than the actual sport of baseball for me! I love your videos and I'm subscribed to your channel keep doing good work bro! Thanks for the vids!!!!
I remember growing up in the 70/80s watching LLWS and that team. It was unbelievable and good to know what happened. Poor kids on the Taiwan side, they never got a real chance to be children and grow up normally.
I remember growing up watching the little league World Series and the Asian team always winning by a large margin. I never suspected they were rigging their teams to that degree though. I just thought they were that dedicated and they definitely were and are but they also rigged their teams lol
I love your channel bro. Please don’t stop making vids always make sure to watch a couple of them before I go to sleep at night lol
This is actually really fucking heartbreaking. America has plenty of their own stories of young athletes being overworked and pressured in extreme ways to succeed but nothing quite like this. These poor kids were merely puppets to the adults running the country for ridiculous political reasons. Terrible.
Wow this was educational. Thanks. I'm curious, did you use metroid music?
"One 11 year old on the team was already married."
Talk about speed running life..
1. Absolutely insane I’ve never heard or read about this before, and I follow baseball religiously.
2. This raises my suspicion on the Japan teams that make their way through Williamsport with ease. They’ve previously been outspoken of players attending what seem to be baseball schools/academies. Maybe similar situations? I could just be too baked right now but idk man
Baseball academies aren't the problem. High level child athletes here do the same in all sports -- in fact it's almost a necessity these days. It's everything else they were doing wrong -- depriving them of education as early as elementary school, the illegal reshuffling of teams that effectively ensured the best starting 9 in the whole country was on the field, etc.
japans cheating is probably regionalized like when it happens in the US... then it would be down to cultural willingness to investigate corruption. Japan has a national high school tournament with very strict rules so there's nothing new about people trying to skirt the rules.
@@afuzzycreature8387 ah, no BDE vid comment thread is complete without a cascading glob of racism
@TJ it’s not up to me to illuminate you
@TJ I mean I feel like commenting about how one Asian country cheating probably means that another Asian country that's known to have a deep love for baseball must be cheating simply on the basis that they're both Asian countries is like, kind of suspect. that's just my onion
"and one eleven year old, was married" caught me off guard😭😭
Youd think by now there would be at least 2 baseball players from taiwan playing in MLB right now.
They were like national teams against our local town teams..... I'm not sure if that's the same as to good...
Imagine if they made a little league baseball video game in 97 with the op taiwanese team, no one would want to go to your house to play you in LLWS ‘97 when youre winning 10-0 after the 1st inning
The problem with that history is that it was apparent to everyone by the time this happened that Taiwan was never going to invade the mainland.
Dude I don’t even like baseball, but your channel is so dope
Anyone else remember when baseball did exist?
At 8:24 the banner trailing the airplane reads "Long Live Taiwanese Independence" 台湾独立万岁. However, this is very odd, because the Chinese is written in simplified characters, which have never been adopted in Taiwan, where people take pride in using the unadulterated traditional, or complex, characters. For those of you that don't read Chinese (most of you, I'm sure), compare the difference between simplified and traditional characters:
Traditional: 台灣獨立萬歲
Simplified: 台湾独立万岁
There is a very significant difference between the two systems, as you can see. Aesthetically, the complexity and nuance of the written Chinese language is retained in the traditional characters, while the simplified characters appear dumbed down and adulterated, even crippled.
Politically speaking, the simplified character system was devised by a language committee appointed by the Chinese Communist Party across the strait. Practically, it was never taught or adopted in Taiwan. These days, with direct flights between Taiwan and China, high trading volume, and hundreds of thousands of people born and raised in Taiwan residing in China, there is a degree of familiarity with simplified Chinese among the populace. However, it is not formally taught and is still viewed as a dumbed down version of the written language.
So I find it odd that the airplane banner was rendered in simplified Chinese, when for practical, aesthetic, and especially political reasons no one from Taiwan would have used simplified characters at that time. It seems likely that it was sent up by forces loyal to the PRC as a provocation, to stir up division and unrest among Taiwanese and mainlanders living in Taiwan.
Can we take a moment of silence for the two kids who lose their lives
I actually live in Red Bluff California, the team that lost to Taiwan in the 70s. Lol
Wish my MLB team had this dedication.
You're becoming the GOAT of baseball content, keep up the phenomenonal work! 😀
Heard China, saw Taiwan, clicked and saw “China” and I understood instantly lol.
Thank you for your hard work and no ads!!
Ken Burns wishes he could make films like you guys.
I don't know if this video is trying to be politically correct. During that period, we call Taiwan as Taiwan not China. The Taiwan people wants to be called Taiwanese not Chinese. Nowadays, some of the goods made in Taiwan is now "Made in China". I got Jordan and Nike shoes from the 80s that says Made in Taiwan. Today's Jordans is either Made in China or Made in Vietnam. I am not sure if Nike is still being made in Taiwan.
they can be called watever the fk they want, they still bleed CHINESE OK?>>>> THEY FKING CHINESE THEY SPEAK MANDARIN IN TAWIAN THERE AINT NO TIAWANESE DYUMBFK
I lost it at "those communist ping-pong players," that is too perfect
There Taiwanese boys we’re probably teenagers when their birth certificates were issued.
Ive watched the games every year since I was a kid in the 70s/80s and I rooted SO hard for the American team because we all KNEW they were cheating. ALL the foreign countries were cheating...
California could have had way more titles
I always rooted for America but at such a young age(8-9) I didn’t think they were cheating . Now I find out how much they cheated and it’s sad . They cheated many players and teams out of possible accolades
take your hate somewhere else
Babe wake up, new Baseball doesn’t Exist just dropped
Imagine saying “my arm hurts” on this team
That means you aren’t training hard enough
Lots of teams cheat and it's all due to adults interfering with an innocent kids game. I've been cheated out of titles by awful umping, paid off umps, awful coaches, and by mega teams. And these mega teams normally had maybe a selection of 2000 kids to choose from, not 100000. That's insane when u can make up a whole team from 15million people. That's so unfair, my highschool had maybe 100 athletes total and when we faced a private school that selects kids as athletes from multiple states and we win. It was huge just based on how many options that school had to win over others
I used to do Special olympics I never made the international team but my coach told me that China does cheat in special olympics.
They cheat in the fucking Special Olympic? That’s so low. Lol. That bugs me a lot.
@@napalm8030 Nah, that's Europe. There was a massive scandal cause Spain sent an entire basketball team who pretended to be disabled in order to win the gold medal.
I love how the music stops when he says “ married” 🤣🤣😂