Rolex Ceramic Submariner Disappoints Viewer! What Should He Do?
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- La has a modern Rolex Sub 124060. But, aesthetically, he isn't feeling it!
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Caution about birth-year watches though they sound great. Vintage dealer Eric Wind -- who used to work as senior specialist for Christie's -- during his talk at the Horological Society of NY eight months ago (it's on YT) said the number one mistake he's seen vintage collectors make is going for a birth-year watch. They choose an example because the year of manufacturing emotionally sways their decision -- over an example in a better condition. Your birth-year watch means nothing to the next owner, and it's often a decision filled with regret.
Another mistake he highlighted is to choose rarity over condition -- or to focus on full-sets
I find the modern Subs soulless. I have a handful of Subs ranging from the 1960s up til 2006.
On top of this, I recently I got a 'ruined ' 5512 from 1964, for next to nothing (!). Rolex had replaced the dial and hands with fresh lumed pieces: service dial. Great for me! I'm having the OG plexiglass replaced right now with modern plexiglass (TrueDome) to turn this watch into a vintage-but-new daily beater.
I’d go with the more modern wearable piece.
Great to see you back Austin... i hope all is well with you
I think this guy got into Rolex because of the influence or the idea of owning/wearing a Rolex. Perhaps not enough experience wearing or trying out Rolex on the wrist. Maybe this gentlemen wants character from his Submariner. IMO he should look into pre-ceramic or vintage 5513 in wearable condition. The way I see it new ceramic modern Rolex will not look good or does not look good in honest everyday scratched loved worn condition. The modern Rolex look too much like a sport watch with luxury looks. Luxury is meant to look new and clean. Tool watches are meant to look honest. Yes they are way better built, the material is perfect, the movements are superior, and all that we can agree on. We get Rolex evolves little by little. However, modern Rolex will not age like pre-ceramic. Modern Rolex will look the same even if you beat it up. Unlike pre-ceramic Rolex watches all age different. In 5-20 year all pre-ceramic Rolex watches will look different. No two are alike... look at any 5513 Subs today. I felt the same when I bought a ceramic Submariner Date 2014. I hardly ever wore that watch. In fact it's one of my biggest purchase regrets to this day. Fortunately I sold it for more than what I paid for,. No regrets in selling. I just couldn't connect with that watch. I fell into the hype and it cost me at first.
Austin is the shaman of Rolex nerdom! What a breadth of knowledge!
Hi Austin, you’re back to your brilliant, informative best ! You’ve explained this conundrum perfectly (imho). I had similar thoughts regarding my watches (a modern ceramic and a 14060m and I chose to keep the older version. The reason why I chose to sell the newer watch was, it looked too blingy. I’m much happier with the 2006 2 line version and wear it on its noisy bracelet or a French nato and a rubber b, if I need a change. It’s very
versatile and comfortable. Hope this helps your unhappy customer. Cheers from 🏴
Easy. Keep the watch he has.
I predict the next version of the Submariner. I hope they bring it down to 39mm, 20mm lug width, and ease off the bling. I wish they engraved the case back with superlative chronometer officially certified, and keep the dial as a two liner. Keep the maxi dial and matte black dial. Perhaps fully graduated ceramic bezel. Make Rolex a wearable everyday tool again.
Good idea
It warms my heart that Fidel Castro was supporting the Hans Wilsdorf Foundation!
BTW if La wanted a political career he’d be fine in California.
I’d keep the 126040-great watch.
Just picked up a new rolex on monday , ad told me the yacht master 2 has been dropped ,along with the palm-dial and 3d datejust dials .
Congratulations on your new watch - what did you get?
It's funny that you mention that, because just today I had a friend with an AD connection in the States tell me the very same thing: that they are no longer taking requests the same 3 pieces.
I picked up the 126503 black dial , I wasn't sure I could justify the new price ,but when I had it my hands the die was cast . When are you planning to do a store walkabout again ?
Good to see you back again.First!!
He needs to stop being scared and wear the Sub he has.
Agreed - for at least a month!
your videos are a pleasure sir. You come at watches from a unique, well thought out place.
14060 / M Is an amazing choice and my personal favourite Submariner of all time. The non-ceramic bezel, lug holes and double clasp are more desirable for me and more ideal in my opinion in a daily watch. Plus the additional advantages of a modern movement, case and dial of the ref. 14060 prove that it's the best of both worlds in my humble opinion.
I bought a 114060 in 2013 new, I only kept it a few months, it was too chunky and too blingy. I have fallen back to later production 5 digit references.
They really are different animals, aren't they. There is nothing more classy than a simple 14060. Especially on a Nato strap, which the 114060 just can't quite pull off.
Glad your back Austin. I have a 14060 and 2015 one, honestly prefer the older one sits on my wrist much more comfortably and better aesthetics
Love the one your with.
Hi , thank you for sharing your thoughts. I bought a sub in 2005 and I did not use it to much because I did not like the bracelet and the way it locks. Sold it two years ago and bought a sub no date last year at my local AD. This watch to me is much better. A solid bracelet that does not rattle. Yes , the bezel is a bit shiny but that’s ok. One should be very careful in buying an older Rolex. Especially the bracelets these days were not really great. At the end of the day it comes to taste and budget. 😊😊
Awesome content Austin! Thanks mate.
there are very few 1976 submariner 5512s and 5513s out there, especially all original and in good condition, in japan or anywhere else in the world, at any price. so if i were la, i'd get something like a 14060 which is still reasonably plentiful so you can actually buy one and wear it soon. and after, there's nothing stopping la from continuing to look out for that elusive 1976 sub. i totally understand la not liking his brand new sub. it's too big and shiny and not the tool watch that the sub was born as. i also quit modern rolex and now only lust after vintage ones. good luck la!
I wouldn't pay the money for a vintage sub. Pre ceramic will give the look without the fragility. I'd stick with what he has. If he's a young man he and the watch will become vintage together. Great knowledge displayed by Austin as usual.
He Should Get a Grip😂
Great to see you back, I think 14060m 2 line it’s the best option “the last greatest submariner”
I understand his feelings. I bought a new 16610 in 2001. When I put the watch on at the Ad for the first time, I said to the sales lady, "It's fantastic to put on this new Submariner, but frankly I prefer the older models with the matte black dial." Anyway I learned to appreciate that 16610 and still have it. But honestly, I still think about getting a vintage sub. There is something special about the acrylic crystal, aged maxi tritium lume and matte black dial. The glossy dial does not have the same character. I think it's possible to get a vintage 5512 or 5513 in go0d condition and with a qualified watchmaker, he can make it fully function and waterproof.
This is an argument I am having with myself right now, pay the 10K for the 124060 or another watch at less cost and more practical. it depends on what day you catch me on what I want to do. Good Luck and wear your watch, the Sub is a timeless design.
AD - again, you information on ROLEX is astounding . there aren't many rolex watch chanels that talk watches , not the bs -that so many chanels do . thanks for that. always learn something. + wear that new piece - make it your daily , 2 months- then assess . ~ JDS/CT
I'd be shocked if the guy who wrote this letter has any friends.
Keep the ceramic 41 sub. It is the best sub Rolex has made to this point
welcome back Austin HNY!
.... more Iconautgraphy when you get a chance please!
Never meet your heroes. I eventually managed to buy my grail, a 41mm sub date. It just didn't do anything for me. I've since sold it and purchased a 16570 Exp 2 polar, and what a difference, i love it. The older piece just feels right, its not as flashy plus it has the added feature of second time complication.
Ugh...the new sub has the horrible huge clasp.
Moat people are so hyped they dont care how a Wolex looks. Without the hype most models are boring and low key ugly watches. Watches for NPCs and normies.
14060M
16800 … get the tritium vintage look and robustness of modern with sapphire crystal etc
My 41 sub did seem big at first. But the glide lock is amazing and I can sit it exactly at the sweet spot on my wrist where the extra size doesn’t matter. Plus it’s amazingly accurate.
I wear a vintage 1665 Rail Dial but you know, shouldn't really wear old ones in the drink... Plus at night the lume doesn't work. It was my dad's he wore it first over 45 years. As for looks at I prefer the vintage styling without all that white gold on the dial. I also like the bubble acrylic, although it scratches so you need a tube of polywatch on hand. Servicing also won't be cheap.
My preference would be a 5 digit Submariner, 14060M two line. All the looks of an older 4 digit Sub with the reliability of a newer model. I do lean towards a tritium dial with matching hands showing some creamy goodness to give it a more vintage feel. Good luck with your search La.
What about a Rolex 16570 BD? The steel bezel meets his criteria almost better as an aluminum one.
Excellent video.
La - congratulations. Keep the submariner and wear it when you want a little more dressy look. Get a Tudor Pelagos and wear that when you want to go a little more casual. Of course, it the sub does not wear well on the wrist that is another issue.
The current 124060 is next on my list and having tried one on recently I can agree with La that it is a bit flashy and lacks some character. I do think that with a decade or two of solid use this character will develop on the overall look and feel of the piece with the exception of the ceramic bezel which is likely to stay pretty shiny. If its vintage La wants there is only one way to proceed. If he can afford to keep the modern sub and get a vintage one at the same time I think that would be best to understand the look and feel before having to part with his current piece.
I swapped my 14060 for a 124060. The new shiny piece does nothing the pre ceramic did to me. Biggest regret to date 💔
Keep it enjoy i sold mine and bought a 116600 but he should wear it more and later if he wants to swap it he can nice to see you back Austin hope you are keeping well
Sorry, but that guy doesn’t deserve the watch doesn’t know what he’s talking about
Hello Austin, love your videos. You are very knowledgeable and I’ve learned a lot watching your videos. I will be in Tokyo next month and wanted to buy a datejust 36mm ref 16233 green dial. Do you have any recommendations on which shops I should check out to get the most bang for my buck. Thank you so much for your time I greatly appreciate it.
Thanks for the kind words!
I usually do my research on Rakuten, which is a Japanese site that retailers use here to find the pieces, then I physically go to see them. Otherwise you'll just have to hit the shops with fingers crossed.
Send me an email (it's in the description), if you want some specific help with that.
How about a guy born on May 13? I've come close a few times to a birth year 5513 as the perfect watch from a numerology significance viewpoint. I still haven't found the right combination of originality, condition, and box/papers for that reference and year. Came close once but it was for sale at Bob's and I've not been a fan. The particular watch was sold at the Navy Exchange, in I think the Philippines (in the late 1960s). Probably should have pulled the trigger on it back then regardless of Bob's but I was sure I'd find another...
Well the 16600 Seadweller would be the watch for me. A wonderful true vintage tool watch for ever day.
Go for the birth year 5513! Never go for compromises especially with replacement parts 😬 I agree the modern subs wear a bit too shiny
Love your videos Austin, keep em coming!
Thanks!
One word:
Glidelock!!!
Go with the 14060M. Austin, did you ever get the Batman/girl from the US that you bought a few years ago? Did I miss the review or is the watch still over there?
Can you make a video for buying Omega in Tokyo?
When you buy a watch in Japan you don’t have to claim it right. Can it just be put in the luggage or will they take out of the luggage ?
That's a personal choice that each person makes when going back to their home country. I leave it to one's discretion.
Enjoy what you got.
The best! Thanks Austin
The Machine uses one gold rolex in each hand
hello ! going to Tokyo next week and might go watch shopping for an afternoon. i wonder if you saw any 2nd hand explorer 214270 by any chance ? do you think it could be available at an AD (brand new) ? thanks !
Unfortunately, finding anything steel at an AD here is going to be next to impossible.
thank you ! i'll go to nakano broadway and have a look ! saw one on the jackroad website for about 1,2 million yen and really thinking about it at the moment @@watchsymposium
My brother as the 124060 he doesn't like the clasp to wide, and the moment makes a right racket 😂
He should get a black dial Tudor Black Bay 58
Great to see you back，anymore live streams planned?
Appreciate your expertise and willingness to share. All the best!!
Thank you JT!
Great video, Austin. If I were him, I’d keep the 124060. They’re (still)hard to get at retail, and it’s the pinnacle, as you said. But I’d also get a 14060M, 4-liner with the engraved rehaut. Why, you ask? Well because it’s the last of the non-ceramics and looks fresh without being obnoxious like the ceramic Sub.
Sound advice! I'd go 2-line, and you'd go 4-line, and that kind of nuance when it comes to personal choices is a great aspect of the hobby!
You do great work. Keep keeping it real w/o the drama, my friend!
Spend the money to get a perfect 1976 5512. It will be expensive but you can't take the money with you and you will love that watch for the rest of your life! Bob's Watches kind of specializes in vintage subs so I would reach out to them and see if they can find you a great example.
Hey Austin. Heading to Yokohama from the UK for work soon. Anywhere I should take a look for an Omega or Frederique Constant?
I'll buy it
Rolex aesthetics is above criticism. Just condition your eyes.
As a long time pre-ceramic Sub wearer, my 124060 took a long time to win me over (18 months!). It is heavier, less comfortable and more obvious aesthetically. That comes down to the shine and visual weight of the bezel, which makes the watch does wear substantially bigger than pre-ceramics. I can imagine that if you preferred a more classic wrist proportion or you had smaller wrists (I'm a 6'2" marine biologist!), these irks might prove insurmountable. Likewise if you wanted the smarter dress versatility of the older watches. But I stuck with it and slowly the 124060 won me over. It is a fantastic watch, a pure tool and my default diving watch. But day-to-day? Not for me. 16600 takes that role.
But I reckon your advice is sound - La should wear the watch day and night for several months to see if he gets used to it. If not, then I agree, modern 5 digit all day if its going to be a daily wear, 5512/13 if its gonna be a safe queen.
Austin, where in Japan do you live?
The 124060 is the King of Kings, the Crown on the Crown
As long as you don't need the date.
@@watchsymposium some of us are like James Bond, we just know the date. But lemme ask, is there a date on the DAYtona? I’ll wait….
14060M is clear in my opinion.
Great advice!
ありがとうございました
I went to grey dealer and tried SubC and it was heavy and bulky and screaming pretentious i never thought it to be like that!
Thats very Sad but Hay Ho; I will give you $ 100 to take it off your disappointed hands !