Post Office Security Manager SCRAPS Meeting Notes
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Post Office Security Manager SCRAPS Meeting Notes from the Horizon Issues Taskforce set up by the Post Office in the wake of legal advice it receives according to an attendance note produced at the Post Office Inquiry.
The Post Office Inquiry has meeting minutes from the first meeting clearly outlining the Security lead in the meeting saying that no official meeting minutes should be taken but they will keep notes.
John Scott says this is due to concerns over disclosure and Freedom of Information requests.
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Disgusting liar. He should be sent to jail.
Rarely happens in the UK that a rich person gets jailtime. On the off-chance it does though they've a special open-prison for them, a bit like a resort, which they are required to spend some overnight stays at each week before a medical report is produced permitting an early end to their sentence on health grounds.
Wont happen. Protected Class.
Should be jailed for perverting the course of justice!
Crowdfunding according to Alan Bates.
This guy is being tried one way or the other
Bent copper and very evasive
Im fed up hearing I do not recall ,
He’s trained to give or hide or bend evidence as a policeman.
He's one of the most guilty shredding documents you don't do that unless you knowingly have something to hide.i wish he was going to jail but will be rewarded with a top security job
So that’s where the arrogance and cockiness comes from then. Explains it all. Show me an honest grafting copper and I will show you Santa Claus.
Evidence used in a prosecution that was summarily destroyed for dubious reasons……… wtf! Jail time for that cretin.
If it was used/entrered as evidence then it should be on record with the Courts. For the last ~20 years there is zero reason for an organisation to destroy *any* record if it's been captured or generated digitally: storage is no longer a problem. Laws should require it at this point in time for exactly this sort of reason.
John Scott's demeanour is so concerning as he is struggling to keep control of himself, and his style of speech. He appears disingenuous and suffering from amnesia. Bet he really let go when he got home. Hope no one was in his path.
I’ve wondered what these people are like when they get home after this. Love to be a fly on the wall!
A ex police officer saying to destroying evidence should put any prosecution he was involved with at risk.
Destroying evidence is an criminal offense.
Isn't it funny how John "I don't recall" Scott can remember precise dates and names when he's throwing someone else under the bus? When asked about documents and emails outlining his personal involvement he suddenly has no memory of anything he did, when he did it or why he did it. But he still remembers in those instances the names of OTHER people who told him to do things or who were actually in charge according to him.
It's deliciously ironic that they are all throwing each other under the bus not realising that it only incriminates themselves even more.
Well trained at not telling the truth him
I hope the police are studying this closely, this person needs a custodial sentence.
Jason Beer is such an incredible , honest man...don't know how he stops himself saying 'you are lying and deceptive throughout '. He's obviously thinking that....like we all are ! Lol. This ex copper has no credibility whatsoever. Selective memory loss and constant prevarication. Hope they've got a long stay cell for him too.
Beer is such a pro; so impressive watching him work.
@@Uygkuyfkutfkytfkutfv Yeah im screaming inside your lying through your teeth you............
Beer is very good and calculated, but once he'd made him admit to stopping virtually all recording of the meeting discussions, surely you'd ask him "WHY would you give that order?" "What were you afraid of?"
He doesn't need to. He lets the guilty speak for themselves. Feigning ignorance in such an unconvincing manner won't save him from any legal repercussions.
He is just full of shit. He thinks he is being clever but comes across as evasive and sneaky.
JOHN SCOTT IF YOU READ THIS THEY WILL FIND THE TRUTH
The Post Office Alzheimer's cluster expands.
Alzheimer's or Arrogance Induced Dementia OR Both. They clearly thought that they were the Law, Judge, Jury and Executioner because that is exactly how they behaved and clearly still think that is normal.
Either cannot remember, or are sorry. All total liars.
Perhaps all Post Office top executives were only appointed if they had poor memories 🤔
Must be something in the water
@@susanbrown1090I don’t recall ever having a bad memory before.
POOR ALAN BATES!!! THIS INQUIRY IS NERVE SHATTERING!!!
HOW THE HELL HAS HE COPED!!
More lying from this thug to make things worse ! Even under oath they will lie ! No respect for the countries laws , send him to Rwanda or thrown him on the return dinghy back to France
I like how he is being pressured about documents being scrapped.
Are there enough vacancies to jail the criminals complicit in this scandal? 🤬🤬🤬
If nobody was responsible for this happening in the Post Office why were they employed, and why did they get bonuses?
The calibre of people the Post Office was employing in senior positions is utterly shameful.
Jobs for the boys - and girls, of course.
How do so many people with cr4p memories, and clueless about what goes on in a business, get to occupy such high power positions in said businesses? ... Where do I apply!
Scott now comes across as a dodgy individual. He 'doesn't recall' many things and the note about scrapping minutes has made him very uncomfortable. He tries to wriggle out of this but Jason Beer has got him good and proper.
Crooks.
Is it just me but I think John Scott come across as really arrogant. Does anyone else think some of these people have been talking to each other before they have given their evidence to the inquiry!
He's an extremely arrogant person, and of course he's lying too. He hates that he's not in control during this, likely he's a bully too.
Plus it's clear they will have discussed this amongst themselves, plus been advised to repeat over and over ' I don't recall.'
This is just a speck of the practices employed as standard by police officers. Collusion, comparing statements, making false statements, repeated perjury, losing evidence, failure to record/keep evidence of what they were doing, etc. the practices are endemic and the officers who don't want to play those games and or others, invariably leave. The legal system, legislation, those employed to operate it are criminals operating a mass social fraud. Those who choose to rely on matters involving the police and the courts need to be reminded that the system is a fraud. MPs should immediately roll back the powers of the police. The public should have free access to overturn cases, and be granted compensation from the pension rights of the officers and their bosses. If MPs and Parliament don't want to address the corrupt police, then what can the public do?
Lots of memory loss coming our way.
To clarify what John Scott is trying to not admit to; if properly taken and shared minutes of meetings is stopped, then attendees of meetings may keep their own notes. Such notes are unofficial, however much they are employees of The Post Office. If unofficial notes of meetings are later collected, and compared for discrepancies, the discrepancies will come from the different note takers. The Post Office cannot be held responsible for the discrepancies though they, and John Scott, may be held up as wrong, retrospectively, for scraping proper minutes of meetings.
10:40 the smile on Mr Beer is simply wonderful here
He should be doing jail time for destroying evidence.
Those people need to be honest ... and admit they deserve to be jailed.
He was caught hook line and sinker. Lock him up immediately perverting the course of justice
People not smart enough to lie well shouldn’t even attempt to do so. This is cringe worthy. Feel like watching David Brent trying to “wing it”.
Oh that old gem "I don't recall"....
No doubt there'll be a video posted of all the "amnesia" moments throughout this enquiry!
A very intriguing passage of play here and going forward with 'hand written notes'.....
Maybe less ‘official’…
How many more of these people have lost their memory. It is absolutely outrageous and astonishing. How can this possibly be!!!
Another one with memory problems. One of the qualifying conditions for a job in a management capacity at the PO.
The shit hit the fan
The conventions of ‘traditional’ meetings are that minutes are taken to record key points of discussion, decisions taken and actions placed. Conventionally, such minutes would held in draft until the next meeting where participants would agree (or not) that they reflect accurately what was discussed/agreed. Those minutes are then finalised - as the ‘official record’ - and circulated to those entitled to receive them. Any ‘notes’ taken by attendees are not official records and there is no ‘process’ to verify their accuracy. So the only purpose in ‘scrapping’ the taking, agreement, and circulation of minutes is to remove any such official record. Giving such an instruction could only have been intended to make it impossible for anyone to obtain access by means of legal request or inquiry to an official record …because it would not exist! It is now for Ms Crichton to justify to the Inquiry WHY she gave such an instruction as she is alleged to have done. It should make for an interesting session!
💯 I used to be a minute taker.
Reminds me of a Vicar (chums with a recentish ex PM) in PCC meetings would revise the retrospective minutes at the next meeting. In my view they should have been issued as draft minutes within a week of the meeting. I try to issue mine within hours, much easier to do and better for everyone to be able to refer to them.
Good work Mr Beer, John Scott finally snookered in his web of deceit
There is a legal requirement for records to be kept for a specific time?
I do worry about this whole enquiry. Nobody's admitting anything and every single person interviewed appears to be suffering from selective memory loss. Liars and cheats trying to save their own skin. Some form of justice is needed after the despicable way these innocent postal workers were treated.
His blood pressure is off the planet 😊😊😊
Jail time will help your memory 😂
Scrapping minutes is the sign of.... Oh SH..T
Bent copper
@@michaelmcginley7930yep no wonder the police sacked him. (ok jumped before pushed)
A bit like the nazis at the end of the war.
It’s bad enough for a private company to destroy notes and minutes in order to hide what was discussed in meetings. But for a public body with prosecutorial powers, this should be immediately illegal and grounds for prosecution.
It keeps getting more interesting
Indeed….
This guy is scum
Hes so dislikeable this John Scott.
In view of these witnesses appalling memories how to they find their way home from work without a guide? If this is not the case if follows in my view tht they are lying in their teeth. Anyone want to diasagree?
For decades, police have been trained in how to 'deal' with all manner of legal matters, including cross-examination. This is the problem, the legal industry trains them how to avoid telling the truth, how to present information in a particular way. The reason that was done was to help make it easier to convict people! Judges and barristers should have a duty to get these liars arrested on the spot, instead even when colluding officers repeatedly say very similar sets of concocted impossible lies, the judge will accept their testimony. So, it's not only the officers, their managers, trainers, HR, who should be sacked it's the pompous judiciary and barristers, whose self importance blinds them to the lies employed.
Need to build a new prison now for all the PO people who will be doing time.
Thanks for putting these up 🙏
You’re welcome ☺️
I hope that the proceeds of crime act will come into play when these people are eventually found guilty.
These people are high earners and were so when innocent people lost their whole livelihoods. ...
Sell their possessions and distrbute gains between all affected Post Masters.
He will be wont he. Prison for he surely and I can't imagine not having a police investigation...or I would hope and hope it doesn't just end with a private prosecution so to to speak
Amazing how many people think they are much more cleverer than the barrister isn't it, but then trip themselves up!
"Can't recall" - reminds me of the line used hundreds of times by Rishi Sunak & Boris Johnson as part of the covid enquiry.
What I find breathtaking is NOT ONE of them given the exposure of Horizon to date has displayed any contrition, empathy, or regret for the the sub-postmasters. Quite the contrary when they are cornered they either push back arrogantly and almost go very close to suggesting they believe the charge of crime of fraud and theft was legitimate. Those poor subbies never stood a chance
If every department was keeping their own minutes why wouldn't they be subject to Freedom of Information Request? Everyone keeping their own minutes duplicates effort and is almost certainly creates inconsistencies between recollection of what was discussed, agreed and actions in the meetings.....A receipt for failure and inaction!
❤ nothing to hide, nothing to fear. Something to fear, destroy the notes..dont make the notes.. dont meet
Notice his memory inproves when he throws people under the bus ie sysan crighton
All these people have memory loss when the evidence is damning.
08:00 you're so good at picking up on the best bits.
Playing with the big boys now sunshine
If this was a legal COURT case, he would be strung up by his own dishonesty.
Even his wife will not believe his lies ! Ex Bent copper shredding data ! That says a lot about him and justice and what he thinks about laws !
These people make it up as they go along, it all seems so underhanded way of behaviour for such a large governmental organisation 🤷🏻♂️
Absolutely amazing how no one, not a sole can remember a damn thing even when presented with written evidence. There must be criminal prosecutions following this enquiry or it will have been a waste of time and money.
Jason Beer KC …nerves of STEEL!1
I'm not sure I would buy a second-hand car from Mr John Scott !
How the jail food Mr Scott? I don’t recall.
Corrupt as hell!!! Disgusting. Playing with innocent people's lives. Makes me sick
These criminals like the word 'clunky', don't they. The Welsh Witch also used it.
A sly fox always covers his tracks.
Jason Beer I truly amazing
A bit short sighted to assume that "JS" is either John Scott or Jamail Singh. Have conducted my own research and narrowed it down as follows:
- Jerry Seinfeld.
- Jean-Paul Satre.
- Jonathan Swift.
- LL Cool J (Given name James Todd Smith).🧐🧐🧐
They will have all been told what not to say , they should be in court
Re John Scott’s CV - Jason Beer asked J Scott at the beginning of cross examination why he didn’t disclose in his CV to the enquiry that he was a former Police Officer and also he hadn’t been in the police service only a short period of time.
His excuse was there was a lot to complete and answer in the witness statement.
Wonder why he was a copper for a short time? Not enough corruption opportunities perhaps?
Jail for this liar
Last sentence finally got to the point.
Any person under oath who cannot recall, loses wattspp texts, emails and/or mitigation literature is a lier and should be ruled as guilty.
Ipso facto, any person who cannot recall that he/she/it spelt 'liar' as ''lier'' is also a liar and should be ruled as guilty.
A shady witness.
"I cannot recall" - yeah right!
Ummm destroying evidence anyone?
This is farcical. I don't recall over and over again.
Another one with a selective memory.
Ah Mr projection in the hot seat.
jeez what an appalling individual.
His memory is worse than mine,and I was born with no memory.Unsurprisingly he didn't mention his police service.
Bent copper with a bad case of amnesia !
Those lying hands
I think the colour of his face says it all.
10:22 “So, what was forbidden, then.”?
There's never any plausibility in the statement, "it's just not me - I wouldn't have said that...". Folks as want to be secret, like to be secret. It becomes a matter of high importance to them. In my experience.
He wraps himself in smugness. A face and attitude that would invite a physical attack.
Unmissable how he denies not scrapping and immediately closes his eyes. He looks angry.
Never forget innocence people lost their homes. the marriage and went to prison because of these creeps.
With most public inquiries i.doubt if.anyone will do any jail time for their role in this travesty....
Lying through his teeth strange how they all cannot recall anything
What is not said in much of this is how the issues with the system were known within their own retail arm of Post Office Counters. We always here about sub post masters at small sites, but not at their large branches. Because it was all covered up. A friend told me many years ago about the bugs in the system when it was first being rolled out, and how it could be 'corrected' if needs be. Wish he was still alive today to speak out.
Disgusting behaviour perverting the course of justice. Lock him up immediately
Perfect for this type of job...ex copper. A practised liar.
We all know why documents are shredded.
Considering this man is an ex copper,his powers of recall are shocking.
I DON’T RECALL! How many times have these people spouted that bullshit!
I wouldn't buy a second-hand car from this guy
Or a stamp
Really? This man’s statements are quite extraordinary, or perhaps better described as unbelievable.
He does not want to recall.