David Davis MP on whether Paula Vennells misled the Government over the Post Office Scandal
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- Опубликовано: 10 апр 2024
- Sir David Davis MP appears on ITV News after Paula Vennells, former CEO of the Post Office, was accused on misleading the Government over the Horizon Scandal.
vennels must go to jail
For a long time
But in a feminist society that is highly unlikely. We have a two-tier justice system.
Bet she won't though.
I rather agree, that she will rightly be gripping the rail and will face court. If you are running prosecutions based largely if not entirely on the supposed infallibility of the Horizon system and it comes to your attention that there are very real system deficiencies, that Horizon had significant and serious problems you have a legal obligation under CPIA 1996 to disclose matters to the court as being useful to the defence position and which undermines your own. As we now know, these would have proved fatal to 100’s of prior cases had they been properly and promptly disclosed.
Not only for a single case, CPIA obligations are ongoing. Ignoring or suppressing them exposes those responsible to prosecution at the very least for perverting the course of justice.
Yet in their hubris senior figures deliberately and outrageously suppressed this and sailed on regardless. Prosecution decisions were made at the top tier of PO management and they (amongst others) are evidently highly culpable here. They are a monumental disgrace and I hope they are living in fear of the arrival of size 11 boots on their doorstep.
She had to be punished blatantly lied and destroyed lives she should be stripped of all earnings bonuses and pensions these criminals can't get away it's a complete mockery of d law😮
She lied....why all the discussion...she lied.
Oh yes, CH4 'doorstepped' her coming out of church on sunday just gone, she wouldn't even look at the reporter, CLASSIC narcissistic behaviour.
She KNOWS she's done wrong!
Still won't go to jail
@@groovedealerfeaturing-ashl6476No, not that she's done wrong, she knows that she's been CAUGHT!!!
@groovedealerfeaturing-ashl6476 That was a bit mean - whatever she might have done she has a right to go to church without being harassed. Whatever she has to say for herself, she'll say under oath at the enquiry, or at her trial - not to C4 reporters waiting at the church gate to ambush her.
@@probro9898 not long to wait then - she’s before the enquiry 1st May for three days.
This scandal is past apologies it's time too jail the whole post office management of corporate manslaughter
Absolutely correct but I’ll bet she doesn’t go to jail
The evidence is overwhelming now .
👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾
The real criminals need to be put in jail for what they did to these poor innocent people
But in a feminist society that is highly unlikely. We have a two-tier justice system.
Put her in jail where she belongs
But in a feminist society that is highly unlikely. We have a two-tier justice system.
100's of innocent post masters sent to jail!!! If the is any justice and rule of law left in this toxic & corrupt little island. She should spend the rest of her life in prison.
It’s not a “corrupt little island”
She also needs to give the Subpostmasters every penny she earned to them, including her pension.
She won't of course, nor will her gang of weasels. The establishment *always* takes care of the establishment . Even if by some miracle she did, it would be an open easy prison, not a real one. I don't actually know how you give a sentence that is sufficient to hundreds of lives destroyed . She will still be very, very wealthy too. Laughing all the way to the bank.
@@Nicksexploring no, its a corrupt big island
But in a feminist society that is highly unlikely. We have a two-tier justice system.
If that was an ordinary person what paula did they would have been arrested, charged and sentenced. Paula vennels needs locking up minimum of 30yrs she has destroyed many lives over the years
Vennels is an horrendous miscreant and deserves the full penalty of law.
Paula Venables needs to go to jail
And the rest, don't forget.
Vennells must be made to be feel grateful to reach prison, safely.
Not just her
An interesting play on words there...
Why? Who is she and what has she done?
The fact that she was a part-time Church of England vicar and preaching from a pulpit what is right and wrong is just warped.... She makes Myra Hindley look like an angel... all along she knew she was ruining and taking good people's lives, it is almost sick, actually it is sick..and she is still Free ...How ?
Your Myra H comment is ridiculous.
..and got paid millions for her lies
@@misterbonzoid5623😂😂😂
It also puts Justin Wellby's 'judgement' into doubt as apparently they're 'good friends'... i also wonder if this is why she didn't get the bishop of London gig?
she is sick.
just like the whole rotten establishment. sick.
Vennels should be in Holloway prison TBH. A nasty peice of work
Holloway was closed several years ago.
@@neilgreggor806
Great news, she would be in there all on her own then!!
She needs to go to prison.
This woman should be in prison
Go for her fast, she is a lier,prison
For a 'women of the cloth' she should be ashamed of herself.. why do you say she 'misled'... she lied, thats what it is, lied. Misled is a buzzword that MP's and other prominant individuals use. Prison will be fine for her.. prison chaplain would suit her fine for a couple of years..👍🏴
I am a christian but I do not think she would be suitable to be a prison chaplain. Regards, Brent Collins.
Hopefully she is touching cloth now.
prison
It’s clear now that Post Office management involved in this scandal need to be prosecuted…
She is either a) going to jail or b) no one is going to take a blind bit of notice of any laws made by Parliament ever again.
A Cof E vicar, is she still there, not the action of a real Christian, she should be in prison.
She's a disgrace to all concerned She should be punished for her crimes but her pal Wilby archbishop of Canterbury will pray for her
@@user-bl8zw4ol1j Praying for her is fine, but supporting her hypocrisy is not.
She needs to go to prison for a long time
She is a liar and to hidebehind that horrendous smirk is a disgrace she won't smirk in prison
All they are concerned about is whether or not that thses scumbags misled parliament , this investigation needs to be closed down and they just need to be on trial.
So what time will plod be at her door 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 nope nothing to see here.
Vennells needs jailing
But in a feminist society that is highly unlikely. We have a two-tier justice system.
I just can't believe MPs took the Post Office bosses word for it, despite a growing number of sub-postmasters and the JFSA being formed. It's like the police asking a burglar if they stole anything, them saying no, and the police letting them go.
Of course MPs would take their word for it. It's a very serious offence to lie to Government and don't think that any of the various Post Office ministers (Labour, Lib Dem or Conservative) would consider it likely that Vennells and her staff would do so.
I can quite believe they did. Most of them are lazy and/or incompetent.
Many will consider many of these people at both the Post Office and Fujitsu to be as guilty as a puppy sat next to a pile of poo and why does a police investigation have to wait until the conclusion of this inquiry? There is sufficient evidence against named individuals for investigations to start immediately. How long will it take for justice to be served if investigations have to wait until long winded KCs, paid by the hour out of the public purse, have finished asking their questions, some of which are irrelevant and others just plain stupid?
@@anonnemo2504 Presumably, you're one of those "know-all, know-nothing" cynics who think that all MPs are lazy, self-promoting wastes of oxygen. Sadly, some are. We hear all about them. There are far too many in the Tory party, but they exist in the SNP and Labour as well. I don't think that there are any in the Lib Dems, Greens or Plaid Cymru. Then there's George Galloway.
But many MPs are actually hard-working and are in politics for all the right reasons. And it's tragic that some, like you, tar them all with the same brush.
All the Post Office Ministers are entitled to expect that senior Post Office executives would have to tell them the truth. They didn't. They told barefaced lies and misled them. Paula Vennells must face criminal charges, as must several other senior executives. They knowingly made false statements under oath.
As for the unacceptable delay in compensating sub postmasters for their loss, that comes down to the Treasury's obstruction since 2017. And that's entirely the fault of the Conservatives.
Its ALL those involved should go to JAIL
All those who are culpable.
The government-all parties allowed the PO free rein and are now ‘shocked’ that they abused their powers - PV is not the only villain in this story
@@PJMcInerney true
Just put her in jail, she can't be allowed to walk away from this.
Prison.
She must be jailed. Justice is in the public interest. This must not go unpunished.
PRISON!
But in a feminist society that is highly unlikely. We have a two-tier justice system.
She’s only sorry that she’s been found out, otherwise she’d have kept silent. Disgusting. All involved MUST be prosecuted!!
I believe no one at the top will spend time in custody for their lies and ruining innocent peoples lives. Costing millions of £sss in the process. Does she have any integrity ?. Or any of them?.
It should be a criminal offence to lie to the public if an MP, the head of a large company, or a news outlet. We deserve honesty in this country, and lying should not be accepted as the norm. Our children and grandchildren deserve better. So it's up to us to force MPs to make some changes. Any MP who doesn't agree to making lying a criminal offence should be unelectable. How about you start it off as you seem like a reasonably chap and it would be a great legacy to leave the country.
This is so wrong, this is blatant lying, these people didn't give a toss about other people's lives, as long as the as there brand is just fine, feck the rest
Any director who was the recipient of any bonus(s) during "Horizon" years of deceit, should be forced to repay the same into a victims fund. That money extorted from the victims, amounts to stolen money; that they handled! This would reflect positively in the profit/loss a/c, skewing the true state of finances from which said bonuses were calculated. And, this is just the money. ALL victim's losses must be calculated in so far as is possible.
Don't be so nieve they took the hard earned cash from the INNOCENT victims which is paramount to STEALING those victims are the sufferers and the guilty have blood on their hands
Yes, absolutely agree. My heart goes out to those wronged by those incompetent and self serving excuses for human beings.
This scandal is the final straw that should end the current form of government of the UK.
In the UK we should now only vote for independent, non political party, candidates.
I mean we should not vote for any candidate that belongs to any political party.
No existing political party has come out with any policies on any of the several current major issues concerning lies by nationalised business, government, NGOs, and global multinationals, resulting in deaths and injuries to British subjects.
For example the UK Government does not consider it their responsibility to intervene when it is obvious that ordinary honest people are being wrongfully imprisoned on trumped up charges by a UK government owned business. A UK government that cannot protect people from such injustice is not fit to govern and must not be tolerated and must be removed along with all the civil service systems and organizations that support it.
The UK Government now fails to protect British subjects life and health from a range of external threats.
Even listing some of the issues here, on which they have failed miserably, will lead to this post being censored.
There is no benefit to the UK population in a party based political system because each party can be captured and controlled by evil external organizations.
The future now can only be an anarchist co-operative system where all voices are represented and no party can completely control the destiny of the country's people. Anything else will permit our gradual enslavement by forces so vile that we are currently unable to comprehend them.
Well said .
Ridiculous idea.
Now don't be silly.
Yes, she lied and misled in order to gain a big fat bonus for herself, whilst innocent employees went to jail and had their lives destroyed. She couldn’t care less about them. There needs to be many civil cases to claim compensation against her. Then a criminal case to send her to jail.
Do they not think all those working in these post offices were ALL THIEVES AT THE SAME TIME ?? one or two maybe but hundreds !!REALLY
Sad thing is, in Scotland it was the Crown Office that prosecuted the sub post masters not the Post Office and as of statements yesterday are doubling down on those convictions, despite a call for the convictions to be overturned.
Wow. Sounds like a closer look is needed there, too.
@@SoberOKMoments it’s difficult to look at anything in Scotland because the SNP Cabal have loaded the Crown Office, The Judiciary, The Police and the civil service and any parliamentary enquiry with their supporters.
Never heard that. Terrible if true.
Venues and others who knew horizon was faulty should each serve jail time of the cumulative jail time of the postmasters.
The BIG question is now - was it a computer error, OR was somebody creaming off this money for their own benefit?
what do you think?
@@mark.lawrence I think there is a good possibility that it was a scam. When somebody admits to something, there is often a bigger crime they are hiding. When it was revealed that the accounts could be fiddled manually, anything is possible.
Remember when this was being touted as the biggest miscarriage of justice the UK has ever seen? It goes much further than the Post Office leaders, MPs knew too.
"MPs knew too"
Not till about 2018, when the facts began to emerge.
Don't just simply label all MPs. I suspect MPs like Conservative MP James Arbuthnot and Nadhim Zahawi helped get this situation out into the Public domain more quickly than may have been the case without especially James now Lord Arbuthnot's help.
That's ridiculous. Several MP's have been absolutely instrumental in getting justice to those falsely convicted.
@@robertstorey7476 Yes - including Ed Davey who, once he found out the lies he'd been told by Post Office staff and some civil servants , met Alan Bates and has been a strong supporter of their campaign for justice and compensation.
Jail for at least 10yrs .
Mr Davies, you are a very influential and credible MP. Surely it's time that honourable MP's push for the Police to press charges before Labour comes to power.
Mental health card to played
at what point does misled become lied.
???
are these crooks free to roam around spending their millions because the criminals in the HOP are in on it
???
fujitsu being offered & accepted new govt. contracts
???
so what does that tell us
???
Let's not forget that starmer was head of the CPS during the post office scandal and the CPS with 10 convictions 3 while starmer was DPP yet no mention one the MSM.
As I understand it the CPS did not handle the prosecutions , the corrupt PO did
Sir Keith is a true knight of the establishment and defender of the status quo.
@terrapyn99
He is an undemocratic hypocrite .
Just watched David Smith lie unconvincingly so that's two who should face legal proceedings.
Well I would say for each postmaster convicted is another charge so if they’re in the hundreds I would say there’s hundreds of charges to be laid so the only thing I can see is prison for this person of the post office and her friends that thought this could be head and swept under the carpet maybe a couple of decades in the crowbar hotel will make them think twice of what they’ve done
Ironically, this Post Office inquiry itself could be cited as denying Vennels a fair trial because of the advance adverse publicity.
" the post office is fully focused on getting to the truth".
Consider the details of this wicked, purposeful scandal, and then thunk about that statement.
All these evil people will never face justice.
The British Crown will shield them from all accountability and will eventually give each of them a Knighthood and a cash payout from the public purse.
Just & Fair? Under the British Crown? ... don't hold your breath.
As clergy she must be familiar with the truth will set you free.
But she's shown that she cannot tell the truth
She knew all the time, shame on her,
Prison for life
The post office says it's fully focused on getting to the truth now that they can't cover it up anymore..
I wonder if we will ever get to know how much politicians knew about the Post Office Scandal ? .
They will never be able to get the blood off their hands...even in prison!!
Thank you David. Please do all you can to get this person in jail.
What a shame! How big shark saved them self while innocent people suffer to the life changing situations 😮😢
Vennells and Swinson a dentists nightmare!
Paula Vennels is a crafty woman she knew what is going on . Wait and see what she has to say next month
If she doesn't go to jail then this country is corrupt
She lied, lied and lied again and should be jailed. This cost people their livelihoods', honour and ultimately some lives. Not only she lied at work but she lied as a Priest. Double whammy and she is a disgrace.
Convictions against sub postmasters should be quashed and prosecutions be brought against Post Office executives and their lawyers.
Following the current enquiry they will say lessons have been learnt but we can’t prosecute because it will be impossible to get a fair trial. The current enquiry should b3 stopped until criminal cases have been heard.
This person deserves to stand in front of a jury and have a fair for the seeming crimes they have committed .
If the police don't act we need to follow Alan Bates and crowdfund such a process. We cannot let these people get away without a trial.
My cheque book is ready if no action is taken.
Let's have some proper justice for teflon executives for a change and get faith back in justice.
Please join me if we need to
Crowd fund for postmaster justice
Time for Paula and some of mates who were also involved go spend some time in jail , its disgusting what they have done
Paula Vennels should pay all the wrongly convicted Post Masters out of her own pocket...and then head straight to jail... without collecting £200...on the monopoly game...
Trouble is, who is going to fall with her...
Maybe they (the convicted) could open up a post office in the prison 😅
What a shameful state of affairs...😮
Not sure how David Davis has the gall to question someone else about misleading the government ... after brexit. The negotiation on behalf of the UK was totally beyond him.
Trying to make out he's one of 'the good guys'... do not be fooled! He's as bad as johnson, mogg, titchy eunak, patel, braverman... the lot of them!
He is another Conservative liar that we are paying for what???
The bosses were protecting their bonuses. It's hard to believe they could stand by and watch honest hard working valued people go to prison ,become bankrupt or commit suicide just to protect their bonuses but that's exactly what they did. They should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law as a message to others not to do the same .
She’s before the enquiry 1st May. Hopefully this will throw further light on any dissembling and machinations at PO.
Why isn’t she, and all her mates in the PO, behind bars??
Ed Davey even more misled. He was the first to speak with Alan Bates he tried to confirm the problem with the Federation of Postmasters who he thought spoke for all the ordinary Postmasters both male & femail across the country and were not as it turned out a mouthpiece for the Postoffice.
She’s gonna play the mental health card. Money on it!
Could we please conclude the enquiry asap and let the Police and the Courts take over as would be and has been the case with so many rank and file citizens. These corrupt, greedy, stubborn, selfish and entitled 'bosses' acted knowingly in a criminal way, so let them face the music of Justice good and proper, not a pretence...
Time for these crooks to be in jail.
If there are no criminal convictions over this the UK is finished.
She'll get a slap on the wrist because her defence will be that she wanted to protect the good name of the PO.
But David did you not also mislead the British electorate when you said there is no downside to brexit? No doubt you are correct in what you say. But maybe it would be better for the victims and the rest of us if you stayed silent on the post office subject. A case isn't helped when an advocate has previous for self deception.
Aww, still crying about Brexit. Bless your little rainbow cotton socks ❤️❤️❤️
@@gooeyrhubarb1593 Anyone looking at the UK today and when Brexit got voted in should be crying. Trickery at the highest level.
All those involved should be immediately sacked in readiness for their prosecutions.
The Post Office management seem to have been greedy and dishonest and treated the staff with contempt . Why were they determined to have hundreds of the staff incriminated ? Why did they not consider the Horizon system was seriously faulty . Was it because they could hide their malice and incompetence behind defective computers ?
A regular churchgoers once said to me, the biggest sinners are the ones who sit in the front pews. In her case as the Queen of them she stands right at the front .
Vennals needs to be held personally accountable - stripped of her assets and those assets distributed to the victims
They would rather convict their own people than admit Fujitsu was stealing money via their remote access offices. This had been seen and observed by accident by the rep .He got £44000 punishment the very next morning to discredit him. We’re they all fooled by Fujitsu and we’re too embarrassed to admit this and expose it which would have collapsed the whole organisation. MI correct?You bet I am as the lack of exposure of Fujitsu is now proving. So obvious but no one is seeing this.
Perverting the course of justice is a criminal offence. Lock her up!
Ex Vicar too-who can you trust these days?/sarc.
Hope she is penalised to the full extent of the law.
One word. PRISON.
Thanks for your incredible work on highlighting lies David. It very much underlines your years of hard work and integrity on the UK exit from the European Community resulting in a much deserved peerage.
Swinson's mistake: taking her info from only one source. You always need to hear from different sides, with different vested interests.
Many will consider many of these people at both the Post Office and Fujitsu to be as guilty as a puppy sat next to a pile of poo.
Anyway, why does a police investigation have to wait until the conclusion of this inquiry? There is sufficient evidence against named individuals for investigations to start immediately. How long will it take for justice to be served if investigations have to wait until long winded KCs, paid by the hour out of the public purse, have finished asking their questions, some of which are irrelevant and others just plain stupid?
An apology is woefully insufficient. This woman helped to destroy lives and did her best to conceal this. She must now be held accountable.
Until some of these liars are put in prison for there sadism and fraudulent mis-handling of these poor innocent postmasters things like this will continue to happen time and time again !
Why was Royal Mail privatised when things became obvious - they are two sides of the same coin regardless of who owns what and still are one cannot operate without the other - oh but what about the brand?
I pray one day Paula Vennells ends up in a criminal court for her disgraceful fraudulent behaviour. She destroyed many lives.
Are these people going to pay back their earnings for lying and put it towards the compensation fund!!
Kennels is a committed church goer.
I am sure an apology to those who were imprisoned will be gratefully received.
Never trust a Ginga!
She must not be allowed to get away with it - she must go to jail anf be forced to give up her wealth to postmasters. If she is not then she will have got away with it.
Why are these people still free to attend a political enquiry when they surely should be in a crown court ?. But then the court who convicted them must be tried.
If she's lied to a parliamentary committee, misled ministers and caused delays of years to the correction of miscarriages of justice then she needs to be held to account.
She's going to be asked some pretty direct questions about all this at the enquiry and it will interesting to see what she does.