@tremblayjonathan691 But they switched drivers in the Mach, and the result was the same. But yeah, the driver in a manual car will always make a difference.
@@AndrewBaker302 Yes, but did anyone else notice the driver of the GT bogged it on EVERY start? Granted they are both great cars, but I think it's all about the driver!!!
Coming from a 52-year old car-guy who's been a mustang enthusiast for the past 40 years, I can honestly say the Mach1 is my favorite mustang in terms of looks. The Mustang often looks a bit awkward at times through the years. They absolutely nailed it with the Mach 1 in terms of balanced looks. The stance, the wheels and their offsets, the aero, the exhaust tips, everything in perfect balance. When you see this beauty coming down the road it just looks perfect. The GT500 of course looks amazing, but in terms on non-shelby stangs, you can't top this Mach1 in terms of looks in my book.
I’m same age as you, been a mustang junkie my whole life. Have owned dozens of them. It’s funny how subjective car tastes are. I don’t really like the Mach1 at all, does nothing for me. I think the 19/20’ Bullitt is the coolest looking Stang ever, in Dark Hyland Green of course, ha! Happy trails friend!
@jasonlommen4769 Haha that is so funny because we are literally the exact opposite. Since it came out I NEVER liked the Bullit. The color, the wheels and their weak offsets. It looks so drab and boring to me. But to each there own. Cheers 🍻
Thanks for having me out! Was a blast, evej though me and kyle knew what the outcome would be. Kyle's launch is unreal, I could never launch like that.
Suggest you remove the Gurney flap when drag racing the Mach 1. It’s a 240lb anchor at top end of the quarter. Could give you a car length, give or take.
This was an excellent race! Perfect content, to include owners of the vehicles to drive their cars gave a more solid outcome in my humble opinion. Enjoyed the video, keep it up.
The TR-3160 in the Mach 1 has a much more desirable gear split, as well as only having 5th as 1:1 gears where the MT-82 has 4th as 1:1. That being said, the S550 is still the better car advantages aside.
@@slickrichelicopter8977 One of the big issues with the 2018+ Getrag MT82-D4 is that Ford changed the individual gear ratios to be much taller with 4th now being the 1:1 ratio. Sharp contrast to the 10R80 auto which will hit the 1/4 mile 5+ mph faster and at least 4/10 quicker due to the extremely short gearing and fast shifts with 7th being the 1:1 gear
Clearly you missed the brief on the Mach 1, it wasn't engineered with a focus on straight line acceleration. It is purpose is to shine on the track. I completely agree that the Tremec in the Mach 1 is far more robust and reliable, and has a better feel than the GT's manual gearbox.
They should have done a driver swap for the second roll and drag races. The 2024 S650 does not seem to have any real power advantage over the S550 Mach 1, but the older Mach 1 has a superior Tremec transmission. On a different day with different drivers, still a very close race.
@@valeriyGennadyevich popularity doesn’t take away from it’s awesomeness. Hell, that’s probably why it’s popular, because it’s an amazing car for not a lot of money
This race just showed you how important gear ratios are. Negating the drivers weights these cars should have just about the same power to weight ratio but with the Mach 1s closer gears it can jump out faster. Once the speeds climb the longer gears of the s650 close the gap. If they did a top speed test I bet the s650 would pull the Mach eventually. Not shocked about this result
@halow4 the s650 is just plain slower its not surprising at all. It's a failure. The gearing isn't that much different between them it's not like a huge difference the first gear is long on the tremec. The s650 just sucks. It's basically the same thing as s550 with a locked down ecu. It's not an improvement It's lucky to run even with let alone ahead of an older Mach.
Transmission gearing is actually close. MT82 I believe is a D4 version and first and second are about the same. I know the Mach has 3.73 and I'm betting the GT has 3.55s. Comes down to driver.
@@midnight347you could see the S650 start creeping up on the Mach1 so its not as quick but it isnt like its chopped liver. The comparable race would be the Mach1 and Darkhorse anyway. The fact that a "regular" GT is as close shows the new gen is carrying the torch.
As someone who recently traded a 2021 Mach 1 for a 2024 GT (both manuals), this video only deepens my buyers remorse. S650 feels slower, heavier, and less lively than the S550. Both great cars.
@@sliknik1025 The dealer trade-in offer was nearly the price I paid for the Mach 1, and the '24 GT Premium was heavily discounted (under $50k USD) with every option sans Magneride (Premium, 401A, Perf Pack, Active Exhaust, Recaros, Brembo Brake Pack). Seemed like an offer I couldn't refuse at the time. *sigh*
Do you really think a new Mustang GT built on pretty much the same platform as the previous generation feels less lively than the last GEN's track oriented SS 1LE competitor?
Stats are slightly off for the Mach 1. The 2022 and 2023 made 470 due to a carbon trap being added for emissions purposes (unless it was removed then it gains its 10HP back). The 2021 made 480.
Yep, it’s even worse, when you run them in the 10 speed auto config. My 2021 stock GT does the same thing, to 2024s. Where S650 shines is when you upgrade the intakes to take advantage of their dual intake configuration, both at the fresh air intake and at the manifold.
Great video, Sam. It's interesting how Ford has made improvements to the Coyote engine and now the GT is closer to the Mach1. I am a Mustang fan, the Bullit in particular, and that has the same hardware as the Mach1 (pretty much), which were "borrowed" from the GT350 (not the voodoo engine), but the air intake, mapping, transmission, and so on. Very nice!!!
It’s the gearing in the trans. Mach 1 has tighter gear ratios. GT has MT82D4 with a 1:1 4th gear, while Mach 1 1:1 is 5th. It’s as if Ford tried to exaggerate the differences between the manual and the 10R80 when the 10R80 came out to make it seem that much better. The close ratios in the 11-17 MT82 are much better. I love mine.
My MT82 pre D4 is geared perfectly. Unfortunately I'm going to be replacing my 3.73s next year with 3.31s. Gotta rebuild the rear and will work better with boost coming soon thereafter.
Greetings Sam, I would like to see more races of the 2024 Mustang GT Automatic, because I see that almost all of them are in the 2024 Mustang GT with manual transmission, and the difference is a lot.
i'd much rather see drag races done with autos just to eliminate the driver error that comes with shifting manually. Yes i'm aware of other factors, but it would be more of an even race.
Everybody is talking about the gears, but the biggest difference I see is the launch. I’m guessing new GT is on summer P Zero and Mach 1 is on much better and wider PS4S or Cup 2?
Probably the most constructive comment here. You're very correct about the tires. I'm on bald pzeros l, and he's on 315 wide ps4s i think But his reaction time and launch is much better either way
@@ALegault125 good driving from both of you! Cars are very close in a straight line but the tires can make a pretty big difference, be it a drag race or a circuit.
i did remove the carb traps on my s650 and has better throttle response. the new s650s came out with more restrictions... i can wait to be hable to unleash the beast
I traded my 2015 performance GT with some aftermarket work for 2024 GT duel tip exhaust and the mode switch. It’s so so much slower. I don’t feel the same power. It feels sluggish to pick up speed pedal to floor almost hesitant to give power. Completely regret buying….
@@cormaro13 I can tell you dont know crap about mustangs. I had a 800whp twin turbo s550 and now I drive an NA catless long tube headers with an X pipe s650 GT PP and I did take the carbon traps out, still slower than my boosted s550. Goofy.
this just a difference in intermittent gear ratios. The mach 1 is able to put down more wheel torque at any given speed and also stays deeper in the powerband of the coyote after each shift
In before all the, If I was driving I would've walked that GT & i can shift faster comments. As alex stated we knew the outcome before starting. But very impressed with that GT. The S650 got & still gets alot of hate but it is a good car & they are quick.
It gets hate for a reason. It's a revised version of the same thing and it's locked down. It's not even an improvement it's an extremely lazy attempt at an all new mustang it's terrible. It's quick but it doesn't do anything mustang hasn't been doing since 2018. The 2018 was actually faster and dyno higher. It's a huge disappointment. Stop accepting the bar being this low and letting them get by with this crap. It should be better than the previous model. There's nothing better about it and it isn't changed enough for an all new model. It's an s550 2.0.
@@midnight347 You have commented on like 3 or 4 different comments so far and I have barely scrolled more than half my screen atm. Dude chill with the hate, you clearly are one of those people who hate just to hate.
He comments on all S650 videos. It's like he's obsessed with them. He doesn't even have a s550 either so I don't see why he's so concerned.@@leofhr2966
The issue is the rears the gearing in the 24 is lower/longer than the s550 you need to run at least a 3.90 to 4.09 to get near the ratios in the s550. The other issue is ford totally knackered the the throttle response in the s650
The drag from the S650 in this test having both its windows down during the first roll-on test is a real factor to consider. Dumb setup! I'd like to see a comparison using the 10 speed automatic. I just bought a 2021 Mustang GT with 11k miles on it and the 10 speed auto. When new it had a Roush supercharger installed by the dealer. Love it, and I think it looks better than the new S650, though the previous owner did rework the front end bodywork with aftermarket upgrades. I do like the looks of the stock S550 better than the stock S650.
Love your videos but can you include rear end gear ratio in your specs? I’d be curious how each similar vehicle does against each other ie; 3:15, 3:55, and 3:73.
The `22 - 2023 Mach 1 were factory rated @ 470hp, not 480. While the cars should be pretty even, it appeared that the 2024 was holding it own even with the trans gearing disadvantage. A 16hp advantage would be hard to see from either car.
Get a mach 1 without the handling package, then you will have the same size tires, and get both with the 10R80. Then you will have an apples to apples comparison. Using an HP mach 1 has shorter tires that will give an effectively lower gear ratio and the tremec 3160 has better internal gearing than the MT-82 D4 so in the end it's not a fair comparison.
Shorter gears will always win drag race. Also I think the difference would be a lot greater if you did timed laps around a road course. The Mach 1 is a handling machine
You can't tell me you were surprised they were close, similar weight, similar power, just ratios that were the difference in straight line racing and that showed in the dig race. Roll racing obviously negates most of the launch advantage of the tremec. Panned out exactly as you would imagine.
More of a driver race. The ten speed would have got him in drag mode. The transmission changes gears incredibly fast in sport and drag mode. Normal mode is great for everyday driving.
Kw coilovers are on my mind, but the ground clearance is nice for driving. Its definitely on stilts tho, i clear most curbs 😂 Makes for a boat like feeling on the road course tho
3rd and 4th gear in the gen 3/4 5.0 is physically longer than the gen 1 and gen 2 5.0 and is also longer than the Tremic in the mach 1. The red 5.0 won’t see 5th gear unless he’s trying to kill himself.
Gotta be a different intake manifold or.exhaust piping difference ..one's more.torque and ones more hp..that top end on the s650 is insane but from a dig or low roll it takes to long to stretch its legs.after 110 115 on the highway nothing will touch that thing
What can you say about the S550 Mach 1 except looks better goes better has the iconic name plate. So it seems that even with 6 less mustangs and being heavier car . It still beats the S650 in looks nameplate style and performance stock vs stock ..Now if the Mach 1 had the 10 speed it would have walked the S650 and the gap would be more
I think the true comparison should have been with the Mach 1 against the Dark Horse with same transmission. I test drove a GT this week with Performance Pack, it had an auto as it was a lot car, I have to say I was happy and impressed. I just sold my manual 2006 which I loved and did consider buying a new one. I did want the Dark Horse but will not pay MSRP for any car, sorry Ford.
The driver in the white car was a better driver. On the road race how come the white car started before the red car on the throttle at the starting point? You should switch drivers or get automatics
Y’all drove the Mach 1 hard and was babying the S650 if they were drove the same I’d bet it’d be closer and the s650 has flat foot shifting do that and I bet it’ll take it
Tell that to the eliminator trophy I have sitting on my dresser. I got that by winning the Street Trophy bracket racing class at an NHRA track in a manual car. Bracket racing is all about consistency, and I somehow managed to be more consistent than the other drivers. Most of them had automatic transmissions. It's rare, but it can be done in the right car with the right driver.
@@hartsickdisciple this is consistently unconsistent, clearly you are an outlier. For MOST ppl it's better to just get an automatic which is way more consistent.
Sam won a race with a manual transmission. That's awesome. They are both fantastic cars. Long live ICE cars. I'm surprised they're not banned in Canada yet. Lol.
Basically riggt when the s750 was released, I saw a vid putting one on the dyno and a s550 on the same dyno. While many praised Ford for the s650 having more power than the former, the real car guys knew what was up. The s550 made more power almost all the way to 5k rpm. On the streets, the s550 will beat it every time going 0-60. People mocked my, and a few other's comment on that vid saying the same thing but here we are...
I'm glad someone else noticed that, too. If Sam posted reaction times, 60-ft-times times and trap speeds (which a real drag racer would), it would be more apparent that these races were decided by the drivers instead of the car that was actually a little faster (the GT).
I own a 2019 GT PP2. Loaded. My transmission just went at 90,000 kms. Ford won’t cover it. $7,000 fix. They all needed the Tremec. I’m suing. Don’t buy one.
Mach 1 with HP is designed for track not drag strip. You even left the gurney flap on the Mach 1 which increases drag. Put these same two cars on a road course and the Mach 1 will walk away from the GT
The Mach 1 is such a nice setup and looks amazing. I would likely go GT500 and GT350 over the Mach 1 but it's top of the list if I were ever to dive into the Mustang world.
Pretty predictable. Biggest difference with these two cars having a stick is the driver. 10 speed auto would be a little quicker but similar results. Not that much difference in these cars in a race like this. On a road course the handling pack Mach 1 would be quicker. Thing is a 2025 GT performance pack car costs as much as I paid for a Mach 1. Glad I got it
Ford gutted the 6 speed transfer somewhere along the way . The Zl1 has the same trans but the mechanicals are different than the Ford . Ford penny pinching cheaped out on the trans
is elevation a situation or no? Im just saying for almost 500hp and running basically mid 12's that is not that impressive. I know i'm going to compare a corvette , which i shouldn't since its a different category and league but comparing my long ago my 2001, C5 Z06 at carlsbad and terminal island, i was running 12.4 @ 113mph , stock tire. Car had 385hp (and later had 405hp from 2002 and up, though my 2001 ran better than my 2003) You're telling me 23 years newer and only in the mid 12's?
Big weight difference between the mustang and a c5. I trap usually 112-114 mph. Right now its harder because my tires are basically gone and its a challenge to hookup and not just blow the tires off
@@redtesta sorry but I did 12.4 here on an unprepped surface. Coyotes also don't make low torque at all. Meaning it doesn't leave hard. Plus there's about a 500LB difference here. Don't act like 12.4 is a bad time. Mach1 also has Aero which looses about a tenth
Sad as both cars are overweight pigs, built on mediocre platforms. I have such a disdain for the S550 dating back to 2014 due to its GEN5 Camaro weight, that I could careless anymore and would pick a S650 car over a S550 all day ever day. Really though just get a RCSB 18+ F150 5L. Way better built vehicle than a Mudstain. Not a large weight penalty between the 2 since 2015 with the F150 losing weight with the aluminum body, and the S550 gaining a bunch of weight over the S197. Stout SRA. More practical, useful, and comfortable. Better sounding firing order. Better fuel system. No MAF to have to fool with. Less $. 4WD is an option. Yes the modern 5L F150 is a way better Mustang than a S550 or S650 Mudstain. 👍
The mac 1 driver was clearly better tho
@tremblayjonathan691
But they switched drivers in the Mach, and the result was the same. But yeah, the driver in a manual car will always make a difference.
@@AndrewBaker302 Yes, but did anyone else notice the driver of the GT bogged it on EVERY start? Granted they are both great cars, but I think it's all about the driver!!!
The transmission is just flat out better in a Mach 1.
@@sebbonxxsebbon6824 exactly, the MT-82 isn’t a good trans to drag race with
@@garrenturk4093 the first gen is optimal for drag racing. My MT82 has held up well to 12 years of abuse and passes.
Coming from a 52-year old car-guy who's been a mustang enthusiast for the past 40 years, I can honestly say the Mach1 is my favorite mustang in terms of looks. The Mustang often looks a bit awkward at times through the years. They absolutely nailed it with the Mach 1 in terms of balanced looks. The stance, the wheels and their offsets, the aero, the exhaust tips, everything in perfect balance. When you see this beauty coming down the road it just looks perfect. The GT500 of course looks amazing, but in terms on non-shelby stangs, you can't top this Mach1 in terms of looks in my book.
I’m same age as you, been a mustang junkie my whole life. Have owned dozens of them. It’s funny how subjective car tastes are. I don’t really like the Mach1 at all, does nothing for me. I think the 19/20’ Bullitt is the coolest looking Stang ever, in Dark Hyland Green of course, ha! Happy trails friend!
@jasonlommen4769 Haha that is so funny because we are literally the exact opposite. Since it came out I NEVER liked the Bullit. The color, the wheels and their weak offsets. It looks so drab and boring to me. But to each there own. Cheers 🍻
@@kevinbreese5739
That is funny! But also great to have so many car options and individual preferences! Subjectivity makes us all unique.
Please do same race but 10 speed auto
I am also curious auto mach 1 VS auto s650 gt. Definitely mach 1 manual transmission is better than s650 gt, the results is easy to see
You’d have to find 2 cars with drag mode
@Reach4thecow please because the manual does not show the cars capability
@@keithpaul9026 Auto doesn’t show the driver’s capability.
@@jmhutner it shows the car though
Thanks for having me out! Was a blast, evej though me and kyle knew what the outcome would be. Kyle's launch is unreal, I could never launch like that.
We definitely knew the outcome lol. Didn't think you would be that close on the roll though.
Suggest you remove the Gurney flap when drag racing the Mach 1. It’s a 240lb anchor at top end of the quarter. Could give you a car length, give or take.
You absolutely can launch like that. Practice and more practice.
@@AndrewBaker302 He could but there is quite the difference in tire size & type. 315 Mach 1 Vs 275 GT. Michelin PS4 Vs Pirelli P Zero
Yes you can just run the same tire as the mach1 and you will have a much better launch
This was an excellent race! Perfect content, to include owners of the vehicles to drive their cars gave a more solid outcome in my humble opinion. Enjoyed the video, keep it up.
The TR-3160 in the Mach 1 has a much more desirable gear split, as well as only having 5th as 1:1 gears where the MT-82 has 4th as 1:1. That being said, the S550 is still the better car advantages aside.
Not having a Tremic 6 speed puts the s650 at a disadvantage.
Tremec I hear is good but I'd take the MT82 still. My MT82 is still running great on 12 year old transmission fluid.
@@slickrichelicopter8977 One of the big issues with the 2018+ Getrag MT82-D4 is that Ford changed the individual gear ratios to be much taller with 4th now being the 1:1 ratio. Sharp contrast to the 10R80 auto which will hit the 1/4 mile 5+ mph faster and at least 4/10 quicker due to the extremely short gearing and fast shifts with 7th being the 1:1 gear
I also hear the tremec trans can handle power for those looking to mod their stangs while the other transmission is more of a glass trans?
@@ericinfante1885 quite the opposite. The Tremec TR-3160 has a torque capacity of 405 lb-ft. The MT82 has been reliably hold 800+ rwhp.
@@302Mustang13 The Mach 1 engine is rated 420 lb-ft.
I was hoping for this exact race. I knew the Mach 1 would win. Another great video. You've been killing it lately. Triple
Clearly you missed the brief on the Mach 1, it wasn't engineered with a focus on straight line acceleration. It is purpose is to shine on the track. I completely agree that the Tremec in the Mach 1 is far more robust and reliable, and has a better feel than the GT's manual gearbox.
I love close races like that, those roll races were photo finishes. Great machines. Great video
They should have done a driver swap for the second roll and drag races. The 2024 S650 does not seem to have any real power advantage over the S550 Mach 1, but the older Mach 1 has a superior Tremec transmission. On a different day with different drivers, still a very close race.
Kyle was shifting that Mach 1 like he was into automotive BDSM! 😂 Nice vid.
Dudes a beast
No point in racing manuals, driver mod always wins. Would like to see a 10speed race
The Mustang is just such an amazing all around sports car. I can never hate this car
unless you got to florida and see 5 of them on every stoplight
@@drivescene6747💤
@@valeriyGennadyevich popularity doesn’t take away from it’s awesomeness. Hell, that’s probably why it’s popular, because it’s an amazing car for not a lot of money
@@valeriyGennadyevich Железная логика, блять))
This race just showed you how important gear ratios are. Negating the drivers weights these cars should have just about the same power to weight ratio but with the Mach 1s closer gears it can jump out faster. Once the speeds climb the longer gears of the s650 close the gap. If they did a top speed test I bet the s650 would pull the Mach eventually. Not shocked about this result
@@halow4 It would but not with the factory speed limiters. GT is good for 155MPH mach will do 170. Mach would win top end still.
@halow4 the s650 is just plain slower its not surprising at all. It's a failure. The gearing isn't that much different between them it's not like a huge difference the first gear is long on the tremec. The s650 just sucks. It's basically the same thing as s550 with a locked down ecu. It's not an improvement It's lucky to run even with let alone ahead of an older Mach.
Transmission gearing is actually close. MT82 I believe is a D4 version and first and second are about the same. I know the Mach has 3.73 and I'm betting the GT has 3.55s. Comes down to driver.
@@midnight347you could see the S650 start creeping up on the Mach1 so its not as quick but it isnt like its chopped liver. The comparable race would be the Mach1 and Darkhorse anyway. The fact that a "regular" GT is as close shows the new gen is carrying the torch.
As someone who recently traded a 2021 Mach 1 for a 2024 GT (both manuals), this video only deepens my buyers remorse. S650 feels slower, heavier, and less lively than the S550. Both great cars.
You may be correct , This video helps make choices
Why in the world would you trade in your 21 Mach 1 for a 24 GT? Such a downgrade… my condolences lol
@@sliknik1025 The dealer trade-in offer was nearly the price I paid for the Mach 1, and the '24 GT Premium was heavily discounted (under $50k USD) with every option sans Magneride (Premium, 401A, Perf Pack, Active Exhaust, Recaros, Brembo Brake Pack). Seemed like an offer I couldn't refuse at the time. *sigh*
Do you really think a new Mustang GT built on pretty much the same platform as the previous generation feels less lively than the last GEN's track oriented SS 1LE competitor?
If you sold your Mach and bought a Dark Horse, I may understand!
Mach1 over any s650 anyday!! 💪🏻💪🏻
Beware of the Dark horse 😅! Would love to see that race.
@@JorgeRivera-fs5lo I saw a video where it barely beat out a gt, i think it was Hennessey that put it out?
@@JorgeRivera-fs5lo13 crank horsepower is negligible.
@@brocklndrs damn! 🤦 I got u!... SOooo.... What about the Shelby S650 Super Snake? 😂
@@JorgeRivera-fs5lo 😂😂
Stats are slightly off for the Mach 1. The 2022 and 2023 made 470 due to a carbon trap being added for emissions purposes (unless it was removed then it gains its 10HP back). The 2021 made 480.
Yep, it’s even worse, when you run them in the 10 speed auto config.
My 2021 stock GT does the same thing, to 2024s.
Where S650 shines is when you upgrade the intakes to take advantage of their dual intake configuration, both at the fresh air intake and at the manifold.
I got a 2024 that will say otherwise , already did my steeda upgrade
Love love love my 21 handling package Mach1 with Borla Cat-Back exhaust system! EVERYONE turns heads to look and gives 👍👍
The dude who is driving the GT reminds me of old-school racers, just enjoying the race.
Better starts for the Mach 1, Better drivers and better geared trans and better rear gear ratio. I think better stock tires too lol
Great Race! ❤
Great video, Sam. It's interesting how Ford has made improvements to the Coyote engine and now the GT is closer to the Mach1. I am a Mustang fan, the Bullit in particular, and that has the same hardware as the Mach1 (pretty much), which were "borrowed" from the GT350 (not the voodoo engine), but the air intake, mapping, transmission, and so on. Very nice!!!
I’ve never heard you say the F word, and I’ve been watching your videos since the beginning. 🤯🤯 Bad ass mustang though!
They forgot to consider that heavy blue tree in the GT 😂
Nice launch, big man. 😎
Closer than I thought
It’s the gearing in the trans. Mach 1 has tighter gear ratios. GT has MT82D4 with a 1:1 4th gear, while Mach 1 1:1 is 5th. It’s as if Ford tried to exaggerate the differences between the manual and the 10R80 when the 10R80 came out to make it seem that much better. The close ratios in the 11-17 MT82 are much better. I love mine.
My MT82 pre D4 is geared perfectly. Unfortunately I'm going to be replacing my 3.73s next year with 3.31s. Gotta rebuild the rear and will work better with boost coming soon thereafter.
The Mach 1 is mainly a handling package, plus the Tremec.
Greetings Sam, I would like to see more races of the 2024 Mustang GT Automatic, because I see that almost all of them are in the 2024 Mustang GT with manual transmission, and the difference is a lot.
i'd much rather see drag races done with autos just to eliminate the driver error that comes with shifting manually. Yes i'm aware of other factors, but it would be more of an even race.
The S550 and especially in Mach 1 trim looks so much better than S650
Everybody is talking about the gears, but the biggest difference I see is the launch. I’m guessing new GT is on summer P Zero and Mach 1 is on much better and wider PS4S or Cup 2?
Probably the most constructive comment here. You're very correct about the tires. I'm on bald pzeros l, and he's on 315 wide ps4s i think
But his reaction time and launch is much better either way
@@ALegault125 good driving from both of you! Cars are very close in a straight line but the tires can make a pretty big difference, be it a drag race or a circuit.
i did remove the carb traps on my s650 and has better throttle response. the new s650s came out with more restrictions... i can wait to be hable to unleash the beast
It’s because Ford has no competition anymore. Camaro and Challenger are gone.
It's a shame that they are gone. But that's on those companies sadly.
I traded my 2015 performance GT with some aftermarket work for 2024 GT duel tip exhaust and the mode switch. It’s so so much slower. I don’t feel the same power. It feels sluggish to pick up speed pedal to floor almost hesitant to give power. Completely regret buying….
i feel you on that, s550 boosted to stock s650 and damn, I miss going fast
Cause you need to take the carbon traps out and put a better exhaust on , it’s a lot more power than that 2015 every had 😂
@@cormaro13 I can tell you dont know crap about mustangs. I had a 800whp twin turbo s550 and now I drive an NA catless long tube headers with an X pipe s650 GT PP and I did take the carbon traps out, still slower than my boosted s550. Goofy.
@@brunnnbrunnn obliviously wasn’t talking to you lol talking to op , it already sounds like you’re getting the whipple stage 1 soon lol
@ damn sorry I didn’t even realize it lol, yeah you guessed it though lol
this just a difference in intermittent gear ratios. The mach 1 is able to put down more wheel torque at any given speed and also stays deeper in the powerband of the coyote after each shift
that last guy that did the roll races and drag races knows how to shit lol... keep kyle for future videos
The Mach 1 is a beautiful car especially with the PP2!!!!!!!!
gotta love the manual drag races from Sam lmao
Awesome comparison. I'd love to see 10sp auto to 10sp auto and see what would happen.
The dark horse is the Mach 1 of this gen. An apples to apples comparison is the DH vs M1
In before all the, If I was driving I would've walked that GT & i can shift faster comments. As alex stated we knew the outcome before starting. But very impressed with that GT. The S650 got & still gets alot of hate but it is a good car & they are quick.
It gets hate for a reason. It's a revised version of the same thing and it's locked down. It's not even an improvement it's an extremely lazy attempt at an all new mustang it's terrible. It's quick but it doesn't do anything mustang hasn't been doing since 2018. The 2018 was actually faster and dyno higher. It's a huge disappointment. Stop accepting the bar being this low and letting them get by with this crap. It should be better than the previous model. There's nothing better about it and it isn't changed enough for an all new model. It's an s550 2.0.
@@midnight347 You have commented on like 3 or 4 different comments so far and I have barely scrolled more than half my screen atm. Dude chill with the hate, you clearly are one of those people who hate just to hate.
He comments on all S650 videos. It's like he's obsessed with them. He doesn't even have a s550 either so I don't see why he's so concerned.@@leofhr2966
May we ask for a Dark horse and Mach 1 comparison please? And thank you
The issue is the rears the gearing in the 24 is lower/longer than the s550 you need to run at least a 3.90 to 4.09 to get near the ratios in the s550. The other issue is ford totally knackered the the throttle response in the s650
The drag from the S650 in this test having both its windows down during the first roll-on test is a real factor to consider. Dumb setup! I'd like to see a comparison using the 10 speed automatic.
I just bought a 2021 Mustang GT with 11k miles on it and the 10 speed auto. When new it had a Roush supercharger installed by the dealer. Love it, and I think it looks better than the new S650, though the previous owner did rework the front end bodywork with aftermarket upgrades. I do like the looks of the stock S550 better than the stock S650.
Love your videos but can you include rear end gear ratio in your specs?
I’d be curious how each similar vehicle does against each other ie; 3:15, 3:55, and 3:73.
@@cliffymiracle Both are 3.73 rear ratios
Great video! Especially for Mustang fans!
The `22 - 2023 Mach 1 were factory rated @ 470hp, not 480. While the cars should be pretty even, it appeared that the 2024 was holding it own even with the trans gearing disadvantage. A 16hp advantage would be hard to see from either car.
You can easily remove a carbon trap and get back those 10HP.
@@ClickbaitMotorsports Correct, but there was no mention of it in the video, so as a viewer we have to assume the car was stock. 470hp
Get a mach 1 without the handling package, then you will have the same size tires, and get both with the 10R80. Then you will have an apples to apples comparison. Using an HP mach 1 has shorter tires that will give an effectively lower gear ratio and the tremec 3160 has better internal gearing than the MT-82 D4 so in the end it's not a fair comparison.
Shorter gears will always win drag race. Also I think the difference would be a lot greater if you did timed laps around a road course. The Mach 1 is a handling machine
You can't tell me you were surprised they were close, similar weight, similar power, just ratios that were the difference in straight line racing and that showed in the dig race. Roll racing obviously negates most of the launch advantage of the tremec. Panned out exactly as you would imagine.
More of a driver race. The ten speed would have got him in drag mode. The transmission changes gears incredibly fast in sport and drag mode. Normal mode is great for everyday driving.
I would like to see auto vs auto you can’t tell 100% with manual cuz no lift shift drivers etc
That Mach 1 is gorgeous. The S650 looks like it is on stilts - what is with that wheel gap?
The Mach 1 has magneride suspension & I have adjusted the front camber so it sits nice & low. All GT's sit high
@@5.0F150-j Looks fantastic!
Kw coilovers are on my mind, but the ground clearance is nice for driving. Its definitely on stilts tho, i clear most curbs 😂
Makes for a boat like feeling on the road course tho
3rd and 4th gear in the gen 3/4 5.0 is physically longer than the gen 1 and gen 2 5.0 and is also longer than the Tremic in the mach 1. The red 5.0 won’t see 5th gear unless he’s trying to kill himself.
I would take a preowned Mach1 over any new Mustang GT.
I think the main story is similar performance for $20k less with the S650.
Gotta be a different intake manifold or.exhaust piping difference ..one's more.torque and ones more hp..that top end on the s650 is insane but from a dig or low roll it takes to long to stretch its legs.after 110 115 on the highway nothing will touch that thing
@@jeremysoto4596 Mach 1 uses GT350 CAI, Throttle body & Intake Manifold aswell as a different exhaust setup.
Realistically both roll races in the S650 should have started in top of 1st instead of bottom of 2nd
I wanted to for the 50 roll, but everyone wanted me to stay in second to keep it even
@@ALegault125 what a bummer would have made such a difference
Love my mach1, im happy I didn't wait for s650
What can you say about the S550 Mach 1 except looks better goes better has the iconic name plate. So it seems that even with 6 less mustangs and being heavier car . It still beats the S650 in looks nameplate style and performance stock vs stock ..Now if the Mach 1 had the 10 speed it would have walked the S650 and the gap would be more
Can you guys do the same but with 10speed autos?
OK, so where's the dude to chime in that his Aunt's Model P does the 1/4 mile in 11 flat? LOL.....
Only the 2021 Mach 1 had 480 hp. The 22 and 23 models got nerfed down to 470 hp because of emissions.
@@FLBoyCanScrap I removed the Carbon trap in the airbox. Car makes 480HP.
Easy fix, as mentioned above.
Do you guys race the mustang on drag mode? Or track?
@@carlooo77 I was in drag mode for this
I think the true comparison should have been with the Mach 1 against the Dark Horse with same transmission. I test drove a GT this week with Performance Pack, it had an auto as it was a lot car, I have to say I was happy and impressed. I just sold my manual 2006 which I loved and did consider buying a new one. I did want the Dark Horse but will not pay MSRP for any car, sorry Ford.
BTW, $79K OTD was the price on the Dark Horse. That is more than a nice C8.
Even though the Mach 1 finished ahead in each race, you can tell that the GT is actually a little faster.
The driver in the white car was a better driver. On the road race how come the white car started before the red car on the throttle at the starting point?
You should switch drivers or get automatics
Y’all drove the Mach 1 hard and was babying the S650 if they were drove the same I’d bet it’d be closer and the s650 has flat foot shifting do that and I bet it’ll take it
10 speed is a better comparison bc there is a thing called driver error. Not saying yall did this but would show the car shifting more
For ppl who actually want to win a drag race y'all should have done automatics instead bc no one can shift better than the computer
Tell that to the eliminator trophy I have sitting on my dresser. I got that by winning the Street Trophy bracket racing class at an NHRA track in a manual car. Bracket racing is all about consistency, and I somehow managed to be more consistent than the other drivers. Most of them had automatic transmissions.
It's rare, but it can be done in the right car with the right driver.
@@hartsickdisciple this is consistently unconsistent, clearly you are an outlier. For MOST ppl it's better to just get an automatic which is way more consistent.
@@tythegreatttgget out of here , there’s plenty of manuals that will beat autos
@akaslammed3628 I mean yea but one bad shift and it's over, autos are more consistent and are better on average.
Im not that into mustangs but you got me here 0:21 damn that sound good.
Sam won a race with a manual transmission. That's awesome. They are both fantastic cars. Long live ICE cars. I'm surprised they're not banned in Canada yet. Lol.
I have won many races with manual if you actually remove your “ testosterone boost” and keep a clear mind :)
Redo this with a darkhorse 6 speed instead of a gt. I will lend mine for the experiment
Basically riggt when the s750 was released, I saw a vid putting one on the dyno and a s550 on the same dyno. While many praised Ford for the s650 having more power than the former, the real car guys knew what was up. The s550 made more power almost all the way to 5k rpm. On the streets, the s550 will beat it every time going 0-60. People mocked my, and a few other's comment on that vid saying the same thing but here we are...
I dont know if yall saw it but the Red car let off before the line....
If the s650 is anything like mine it doesn't rev out only goes to 7200 rpm not to 7500 rpm which would make a big difference
You could see the gt pulling a little in each gear more agreesive shifting i think the gt would be ahead
I believe if that GT had a tremec he could definitely be ahead of me for sure.
I'm glad someone else noticed that, too. If Sam posted reaction times, 60-ft-times times and trap speeds (which a real drag racer would), it would be more apparent that these races were decided by the drivers instead of the car that was actually a little faster (the GT).
That Mach1 is sweet!! Low 12's... probably the double screens slows the new GT down 👇...jk both nice cars.
Im more impressed with the mustang gt more than the mach 1 considering the mustang gt starts at nearly 20k cheaper than the mach 1.
I own a 2019 GT PP2. Loaded. My transmission just went at 90,000 kms. Ford won’t cover it. $7,000 fix. They all needed the Tremec. I’m suing. Don’t buy one.
Oh man
Mach 1 looks better and is slightly faster but if you want price for performance get the s650.
Mach 1 is also a bit better looking. 💪🙂👍
Awesome machines but I'm s197 for life.
Tq and gearing friends wins races.
Snatching gears with those no lifts was schweeeeeeet
Freedom sound 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🦅🦅🦅
Mach 1 with HP is designed for track not drag strip. You even left the gurney flap on the Mach 1 which increases drag. Put these same two cars on a road course and the Mach 1 will walk away from the GT
The Mach 1 is such a nice setup and looks amazing. I would likely go GT500 and GT350 over the Mach 1 but it's top of the list if I were ever to dive into the Mustang world.
Pretty predictable. Biggest difference with these two cars having a stick is the driver. 10 speed auto would be a little quicker but similar results. Not that much difference in these cars in a race like this. On a road course the handling pack Mach 1 would be quicker. Thing is a 2025 GT performance pack car costs as much as I paid for a Mach 1. Glad I got it
Ford gutted the 6 speed transfer somewhere along the way . The Zl1 has the same trans but the mechanicals are different than the Ford . Ford penny pinching cheaped out on the trans
is elevation a situation or no? Im just saying for almost 500hp and running basically mid 12's that is not that impressive. I know i'm going to compare a corvette , which i shouldn't since its a different category and league but comparing my long ago my 2001, C5 Z06 at carlsbad and terminal island, i was running 12.4 @ 113mph , stock tire. Car had 385hp (and later had 405hp from 2002 and up, though my 2001 ran better than my 2003) You're telling me 23 years newer and only in the mid 12's?
Big weight difference between the mustang and a c5. I trap usually 112-114 mph. Right now its harder because my tires are basically gone and its a challenge to hookup and not just blow the tires off
@@redtesta sorry but I did 12.4 here on an unprepped surface. Coyotes also don't make low torque at all. Meaning it doesn't leave hard. Plus there's about a 500LB difference here. Don't act like 12.4 is a bad time.
Mach1 also has Aero which looses about a tenth
Should I go with the S650 GT PP or the Mach 1?
Mach 1
@@SamCarLegion Why?
The Mac one you get so much more than the new GT better transmission better brakes better aerodynamics it also looks great
Do gt350 racing 6 speed s650
The GT350 would walk away from the s650. Its 200lbs lighter with 40 more horsepower.
Ya you right gt350 is a beast just curious to see them race or against a dark horse
They make the same power. The newer one make more and weighs a little less. Why would you expect one the walk the other?
Just think what that drive train would do in a foxbody!😂😂😂
Anyone drag racing a manual Mustang isn't serious about winning. I would expect more from a professional reviewer.
Mach1 trying to get away from all that ugly on the S650
O you're Mad huh😂😂😂😂
It's weight - the S650 gained 100-150 lbs over the S550 - it's now a 4,000 lb car, even with the manual transmission (lol yes really).
Sad as both cars are overweight pigs, built on mediocre platforms. I have such a disdain for the S550 dating back to 2014 due to its GEN5 Camaro weight, that I could careless anymore and would pick a S650 car over a S550 all day ever day. Really though just get a RCSB 18+ F150 5L. Way better built vehicle than a Mudstain. Not a large weight penalty between the 2 since 2015 with the F150 losing weight with the aluminum body, and the S550 gaining a bunch of weight over the S197. Stout SRA. More practical, useful, and comfortable. Better sounding firing order. Better fuel system. No MAF to have to fool with. Less $. 4WD is an option. Yes the modern 5L F150 is a way better Mustang than a S550 or S650 Mudstain. 👍