Was Paul George for SGA the Worst Trade in NBA History? | Group Chat | Ringer NBA
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- Justin, Rob, and Wos look back at the 2019 trade that sent superstar Paul George from the Oklahoma City Thunder to the L.A. Clippers for perennial MVP candidate Shai Gilgeous-Alexander.
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You guys are seriously downplaying just how bad the trade was. The year the Clippers missed the playoffs, their lottery pick went to OKC and was used to select Jalen Williams, who is a budding star. Not only that, but OKC still own two future unprotected 1st and a pick swap from the Clippers.
Exactly! These guys just keep showing the same daytime trade without really looking into it. SGA was obvious, but those picks turned into other cornerstone pieces and trade assets. The Thunder have made beautiful selections and moves with those picks. Even Gallinari was moved for additional picks after 1 year with the team.
@@camerongifford9683both teams got what they wanted though, if kawhi could stay healthy for the playoffs they probably would of probably went to the finals in 2021 and who knows in 2022
@@Gyjtrdfhjbut everybody already knew Kawai was unreliable, and would almost never be available with consistency
@@Gyjtrdfhj Yes, they got the players they wanted, but they also wanted results they never got. No doubt they continue to kick themselves for the result of their decision.
OKC owns their 2027 pick from the Harden trade too. OKC has rights to their pick the next 3 drafts.
No, it was the best trade ever. It destroyed the Clippers and set up the Thunder for years. Win-win for the NBA.
It’s even better if the clippers suck this next season. Imagine the clippers pick falling into the top 5. 😂
GET EM!
Lmfao you guys have no idea what you're talking about.
NO ONE gave the Clippers an A+ on trade night for this, even when it happened people were talking about how the Clippers got fleeced.
You didn't even talk about one of the picks becoming Jalen Williams (you guys probably don't know)
Everyone knew Shai was going to be really good, Doc didn't want to include him in the trade but Sam Presti pushed and had the leverage.
Doc is either dumb or a liar. At the time you don't turn down Paul George and Kawhi for SGA. Nobody expected him to be one of the 5 best players in the league.
@@rundmc8628 *SGA and essentially 7 first round picks. Oh, and Gallinari.
It's a lot worse when considering one of those picks became Jalen Williams.
Even at the time, people were saying it was a steal for OKC.
@@ShepardDrake I'm not arguing the overall trade. I agree it was horrible for the Clips. I'm just saying Doc trying to act like he wanted to stop the trade because of SGA either makes him stupid then or a liar now. Kawhi was just coming off of a Lebron/Jordan - like playoff and Finals run and he wasn't coming unless they made the trade for PG. Nobody would have valued SGA over the 2 of them at the time.
@@rundmc8628 Where else was Kawhi going? Lakers, nope. Toronto of course not.
@@deljay1840 Not sure why you're getting hung on that detail but none of that matters. What matters is he forced the Clippers hand to trade for PG and it worked. But I'm not really concerned about that aspect of it.
the real truth here is that kawhi Leonard conned everyone. his body has never been right after Toronto, he's always been mysterious and secretive about his injuries. his entire contract with the clippers was a con, but they have only themselves to blame. resigning him and letting Paul George go was madness. now they have broken down Leonard, and James Harden? lol
The Spurs were completely correct about him having a degenerative condition, but Kawhi wanted to hush it up, so he could con his way to LA and get that bag.
@@shorewall
The spurs tried to make him play so wtf are you talking about.
Kawhi Leonard is a descendent of the Deep Ones confirmed, time for a deep dive. Love the content dave
agreed. resigning KL was a bigger mistake than trading for PG.
@@shorewalland Kawhi Leonards camp had the audacity to start the narrative that the spurs were trying to disrespect Kawhi and that they didn't understand how good he was. When in reality, the Spurs knew that his knees were a ticking time bomb and that they had to sell high. The Spurs knew Kawhi had maybe two full years of basketball left before he'd be cooked
Back then we knew SGA had star potential. They swung for the fences for a chip it just didn’t work out . Losing a young MVP candidate plus a ton of picks was the cost . This trade is certainly up there . AND IT WAS DOC RIVERS THAT STRUCK AGAIN lol.
In the moment I felt it was a bad trade. And even now it’s an even worse trade
Liar
@@michaelahurt whatever you wanna believe. I thought they should’ve just kept the core they had and waited for a star in free agency. If getting kawai meant trading your future you made the wrong decision. Shai showed a lot when he was allowed to be the guy with the clippers. Trading him was dumb.
hm, the Clips gambled on the health of Kawhi -- and then traded away SGA-n-picks for PG. Kawhi played 40% of games? That's the most of the issue -- Kawhi not playing.
Now that PG looks even worse. Balmer-Clips gambled and Kawhi's health screwed the plan. (It was initially, for me, a B- trade but ends up being a C-trade)
I couldn't believe the haul they had to give up to get George at the time. I mean, it's a testament to how valuable Leonard was at the time, because he had just won the title with Toronto. And basically, if you wanted him, you needed Paul..
They ended up getting a guy who's probably a top five player in the league and more picks than I can even remember. Sam Preston is an Emerson Lion!
cant speak on anyone else, but as an OKC resident I remember when that notification came across my phone in the middle of the night. After the initial shock of trading Paul George, I saw the haul we got and I was ecstatic. From day 1 the attitude was that the Thunder Fleeced them. Pretty much this exact scenario was at the forefront of that thought. "Both guys are injury prone and have a history of leaving unfavorable situations. those unprotected picks are gonna be absolute gold" I Don't particularly remember the national media narrative but locally, we were psyched.
Wos - The Lakers were the faves before the bubble. They were 5 1/2 games up on the Clippers when the season was suspended.
Which is why Lebron was pushing so hard for the season not to be cancelled.
There were a lot of people who questioned how much the Clippers had to give up even back then. Including me. Especially since both Kawhi and George had a loooong history of injuries.
Plus, you’re getting two guys who have a history of leaving at least two different teams.
I couldn’t know it would be this bad but I thought it was one of those ‘are you sure about this?’ and ‘you’d better be right’ kind of trades.
Nothing will ever top trading away James Harden. That trade literally changed history because if Presti keeps that team intact (that had already made the finals once) they would not only gone on to become a dynasty the Warriors never would have happened. OKC would have been kicking their ass in the Western conference finals every year. KD, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka would have won at least 3 championships but possibly more. There has never been a team with 3 MVP level players on it other than that team.
Even worse that their picks are unprotected and have pick-swap rights. PG is out, got an aging Kawhi/Harden, no real picks of their own and a very average team. This means the value behind the picks they gave are much higher because they won't be nearly as good as they had hoped. Thunder can draft high draft pieces whilst being a contender or bait teams into giving them already developed, good players. The trade went from bad, to very bad, to very very bad.
I said during SGAs rookie season he looks like Baby Jordan. My friends made fun of me when I stuck with that nickname. Was bummed when he was traded for a broken Paul George.
Yes it is, as a Thunder fan! Don’t forget the Thunder have swap rights to 2025 1st round clippers pick and unprotected 2026 1st from the clippers! Not to mention they got Jalen Williams and Shai from the Paul George trade
NO
Not even remotely close. It was a great trade that didn't work.
It was the equivalent of going all in with Ace Ace gainst Q, 8, 8 and the guy across from you pulling Q Q on the turn and river to hit quad queens
It's a bad beat not a bad trade
The trade was Kawhi/PG13 for all those assets. Clippers were not getting either player without this trade.
PG was an MVP caliber player back in OKC. Plus trading for him would get you Kawhi as well. Its like looking at this perspective:
Trading Gallo, Shai, and all those picks for Kawhi + PG. No one in their right mind would say no to that.
The Clippers should have signed and traded George. It’s worked out very well for OKC and Indy
Paul George for Oladipo and Sabonis (eventually Halliburton)
Paul George for SGA and boat loads of picks
In the wise words of our finals MVP “aha aha aha aha” 🏆🦖🇨🇦 we still got our Larry OB
Love when this happens and people talk about it like it was an over pay at the time. No it wasn't. In hindsight it's an overpay. Trades like this will continue to happen. That's just the way the league is these days. There are maybe a handful of teams who wouldn't trade their future for a guy coming off a dominant finals/finals MVP and someone who ranked 3rd in MVP voting. This same trade will happen in a year or two when more superstars or excellent role players (like Bridges/Gobert) want to be traded.
Hindsight is 20/20 like a mf....Sga was a good young player.... Nobody saw him turning into this....pg was 3rd in MVP that year...the trade was a no brainer at the time
Seriously
Like in six years the same people who are praising Minnesota will say how stupid the Dillingham trade was when SA has a two top 5 picks
Yes. It's a risk to trade draft picks. You still do it every time if the payoff is a title
I swear people just want every team to sit and wait and hope lightning strikes and they draft Curry, Klay and Draymond
That’s life. If you roll the dice and win you’re a visionary. If you lose, you’re a punchline and you get roasted long after you’re dead.
This trade is god awful now, will look even worse if SGA keeps ascending and plays long term in OKC. Viewers here may be too young to remember Dražen Petrović, but I feel like that has to rank up there in the annals of bad trades. Now if you guys want to start a debate on the worst trades ever sans hindsight , thats an entirely different debate. Maybe Adrian Dantley for Mark Aguirre to me anyway always stuck out as a head scratcher on the Mavericks end when it happened.
Okc fan here… Brooklyn-Boston trade is still several echelons worse than the clippers deal. The okc deal will be worse if we can win a championship or multiple.
Man, everyone keeps saying this is the worst trade of all time - y'all half glass empty types. This was the best trade of all time - for OKC.
They signed Oubre before they signed George. Do these guys follow the league?
In hein sight it’s a bad trade but if you have the chance to get players on the level of prime Kawhi and prime PG you do that
The Clips let Kawhi and Uncle Dennis GM and this is what you get. KL and his Uncle straight grifted. Clips can't even afford to lose now because their picks are not theirs.
It is the only trade I can remember that makes the Gobert trade look good..... so take from tjat what you will.
Paul George basically turns into Tobias Harris every post season. I don't see why people are hyping up this trade. You're bringing in a guy who's never been able to perform consistently in the playoffs to help you win a championship? I look at this trade the same way I look at the Harden trade for the Clips last year. They're gonna be good in the regular season then he will give them 1 maybe 2 good playoff games
2:13 - the problem is your sending all your assets to one team (OKC).
2:43 - I was... And Surprisingly, Rivers was.
Who was excited about Marcus Morris lol
They were because they took him from the lakers
There's a real chance this trade is the next Brooklyn Celtics trade. Use it to build their whole future and win a title
The power of hindsight. We knew SGA had potential, but not this much.
Middle guy is dead wrong. Plenty of people said they should not have included SGA in trade. He had too much potential.
The trade is similar to Cavs trading Andrew Wiggins fir Kevin Love when LeBron came back. I was against that trade too but it weirdly worked out bc Draymond acted a fool and helped Cavs get the chip
Hardly the worst trade ever. Know you history guys, or just going for clicks.
Ever? No. The worst trade ever is Barkley to the Suns for Jeff Hornacek, Tim Perry and Andrew Lang. The Suns IMMEDIATELY went to the Finals and he won the MVP. This IS a bad trade because they got a first team All NBA player and a draft pick that turned into JDub, meanwhile the Clippers went to one Conference Final and lost two series where they were the higher seed.
A couple of runner-ups are:
The Warriors trading Penny to Orlando for Webber on draft night and he left the next season.
The Nets trading for Ben Simmons.
Every trade involving Westbrook from the perspective of the team receiving him.
No
#1 is the KG/Pierce trade
#2 is the Harden trade
The Barkley trade ... Hornacek was an All-Star while Lang and Perry were starters. That's fine. And they were already a bad team.
If you mean just the net result -- yeah they ended up giving Barkley away for nothing. Perry was traded for Derrick Coleman who left as a free agent. Hornacek was traded for Jeff Malone and BJ Tyler who were waived. Lang was waived.
But the Barkley trade basically led to Allen Iverson four years later
@michaelahurt I'll take KG and Pierce on the decline over Hornacek, Perry and Lang all day every day.
@@thomascrowniii1693 KG and Pierce were clearly washed by that point. Trading those draft picks was reckless
@michaelahurt Hornacek wasn't an all-star for the Sixers and Lang and Perry were washed in their primes. The Sixers gave up the 4th best player of the 90's.
@@thomascrowniii1693 Hornacek was an All-Star in 1992. The trade was made in the summer of 92. No he wasn't an All-Star in Philly but he was one at the time of the trade
Lang was 25 and started 71 games for Phoenix. Perry was 27 and started 69 games. Again on a 53 win team.
You're acting like they traded for 33 year old Kurt Rambis and 32 year old Tom Chambers.
Or 30 year old two-years-from-retirement James Worthy (which LA agreed to but Philly backed out)
They got three starters from a 53 win team.
In terms of value in hindsight, it's definitely toward the bottom, but the worst trades are those that 1) didn't need to be made and 2) were indefensible at the time
It’s easy to critique the Clippers in hindsight but very few GMs would NOT make that trade. On paper, a PG and Finals MVP Kawhi, is championship worthy. That’s the risk you take.
James Harden to Houston trade was almost worst
Yeah, that one was just cheap, and then he went and won an MVP.
As a Clippers fan, going on 20 years. This trade felt like we were giving too much. Really liked Shai, wish we gave up another young player. However, we had a new owner and he wanted to win and get superstars! So be it. I root for Shai, except when he plays the Clippers. Shit happens. Move on. People were hyping us to win, we just kept having bad injury luck. If i could go back, id try to not give up Shai. However, OKC probably would have passed and Kawhi may have gone to the Lakers. So we had to. Sucks, but we wanted to contend. Folks to crazy things for a ring. 😂❤
Trading for Kawhi does wonders.
Spurs traded for him and won
Raptors traded for him and won
Clippers signed him, and traded for Paul George, big mistake.
Whomever trades for him will win.
I thought Shai was already on pace to be as good as pg. I went to like 6 of those home games his rookie year in LA. They couldn’t keep him off the floor. I wasn’t a fan of any of the deal. Wasn’t even a fan of them chasing kawhi for the year before.
Do t forget Presti offered SGA and 6 (giddey) for Cade.
Shai was the standard of Clippers health, played every regular season, and playoff game)
and traded him for, what turned into an injury prone guy.
"If" Paul George and Joel Embiid are healthy? What are the odds?
Paul George is the reason the Clippers made it to the WCF, which is the furthest the franchise has ever gone in the playoffs. SGA would not be the same player if he hadn't been traded to OKC, with a year of learning under CP3 and then handed the keys.
Again wrong with this he was gonna sign with the lakers talk. George just said recently they were both gonna sign with Toronto. Stop the bs lakers narrative
Let’s say one of the best trades for OKC!
First two years were kinda worth it
The real ones knew about SGA’s potential… it was a bad trade from the start.
Yes, we know why they did It. We know that they didn't think SGA would be this good. Regardless, Its one of the worst trades ever.
The kareem russell and wilt ones were bad
This rivals the Herschel Walker trade.
Just think Indiana, could have tested out this duo, in 2011.
If I’m the clippers, I’m calling the thunder and begging for at least one pick back. “ take harden, take kawhi; just please give us one pick back!”
They will cry out, "Save us!"
And Sam Presti will look down on them and say, "No."
All sales final! 🤣😂
"The Logo” sees a lot of potential in the Kentucky product and thinks he will be a great player in the NBA.
By Graham Duncan@WGDunc Sep 10, 2018
Everyone knew Kawhi was going to get hurt again!
He sat out a whole frakkin' year just a year earlier!
it was known knowledge back then night it went down
Stop
It had the potential to be bad and everyone was hyper aware of that because of the Nets-Celtics but it ended up going about as bad as possible.
And the biggest reason anyone thought that is because the Clippers are cursed.
The Lakers dodged a bullet. Perhaps Kawhi is a Lakers fan after all and that's why he went to the Clippers.
Pau Gasol for Shareef Abdur Raheem
These dudes are big casuals like they don’t even look at the actual picks that happened
They’re giving off real ‘I’m Bill Simmons buddy, so I’m a podcaster’ vibes. No research.
Facts, one of the worst podcast groups covering the nba
the Vince Carter to Nets is the worst trade in modern NBA. There is no question.
Bad in the moment, worse now. Somebody needs to lose their job over this.
Overreaction, if kawhi could actually stay healthy for once the clippers would of went to the finals by now, especially 2021
Clippers gone clipper
Woz loves Joe Biden
Paul George has never done anything besides get whooped by LeBron. Beyond overrated
In the moment I felt it was a bad trade. And even now it’s an even worse trade