How Good are Speedpaint Metals - HC 425
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- In this Hobby Cheating Tutorial, I take you through a full review and tips and tricks for Speedpaint Metals. These are a really exciting new product and I may have found some metals I really love.
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0:00 Intro
1:15 Basics
6:39 Intermission
8:49 Model Testing
12:00 Comparison to VMC
15:00 Airbrush
17:05 Outro 
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I saw a bunch of creators use them with meh results because they were expecting impossible properties, so I haven't touched my bottles. Leave it to Vince to experiment and discover the best ways to use his tools. I tried it all for myself after watching and using your techniques and got great results. Thank you for doing you!
Probably those were meh "creators"
We are living in a golden age of mini painting and it just keeps getting better
Yeah. It has nothing to do with when I started in the early 2000s...
Careful, mindful and very complete analysis from a very intelligent painter and thinker - just what's needed so that we can measure the practical hobby value of the spend.
Like Vince the vallejo metal colour have been the only metallics I use, bending them with coloured inks and GSW dry pigments to produce a range of metallic colours and shading.
These also being finely particulate aluminium means they will become my quick job and my airbrush metallics.
Given I've got a necron army to airbrush and a white stormcast based army to metallic accent these become an out of the pot must have set, wouldn't have trusted that if it wasn't Vince or Marco
Absolutely wild; I'd have never expected these to be worth anything, let alone stand up alongside VMC. And given that the VMC range is so extremely limited in its non-silver colors, this seems like a great way to expand the available colors out in the golds/bronzes etc. Awesome stuff!
Your 24k gold is stunning looking. Such a perfect color.
Let me say, first, that I absolutely trust you to give honest opinions. So your veracity is not in question in the next statement.
It’s so interesting to see how varied people’s opinions are of various products. Another creator reviewed these metallics and absolutely panned them. The big difference here is that Vince takes the time and effort to provide actual examples of the paint’s performance and finds out what works and what doesn’t.
Thanks!
Glad to see The Army Painter producing quality stuff. I've been rooting for them as the underdog.
Their stuff has been so mediocre compared to other paints, so I don't know why you'd root for them at all. It's like going out of your way in this hobby to find the worst dedicated product and stan for them lol.
Really excited if they are truly upping their game tho, the economy has gotten so much tighter and harder so it's probably more that they have to tho.
We the customers are the one's who benefit from them finally selling something good instead of ripping people off for 16 years. Not that I blame AP for it, everyone should aim to make money and all that, It's just a damn shame on the stans who push this brand as a good choice to unsuspecting people for whatever sadistic reason they may or may not have.
Still, It's so hilarious to see a product marketed at new painters when it will make new painters have a harder time.
Truly a product marketed to new painters not because of it's ease of use, but because new painters are mostly the only ones who could be fooled into buying their products, and I can't get behind that. I really really can't get behind giving new painters a harder time.
I hope AP and Vallejo up their game. I also hope scale color work on a scalecolor 2.0 that's easier to use for newer painters. Right now ak interactive 3rd gen has set a high bar, where some paint lines have been made redundant almost because of it. (vallejo model color i'm looking at you).
Let's hope AP go from the biggest con in hobby gaming to something that benefits us all with better quality and better choices.
You asky why and then answer your own question in the same comment@@nameisbad
@@LakusPakus I really didn't. bless you tho.
@@nameisbad lol you need to read and comprehend a post before responding. Rooting for someone as an underdog does not = using and buying their product. I have been doing the same because I like Army Painter as a company and to be honest their paints match the price tag so if you are hard up on cash they are the way to go and are typically more widely available from my experience. So in the end there are many reasons to root for them to the contrary i don't see any reasons for your reply.
They are used by some people because they were one of the first "Tabletop acrylics" companies who stand against citadel and they have the "Starter Boxes" because new people tend to buy a whole range of colors, no matter what you advice. Vallejo was first i think ,but they advertised their colors as normal model colors, not miniature. AP rised together with warhammer ripoffs like kings of war. Before that, there were only 1 master. GW and Citadel. And it was the dark time of citadel paints. Black Caps. Dry Paint. Not opaque nor good.
The normal acrylics are awful. The SP 1.0 used you as a betatester and they tried to sell their failed crap as "its not a bug, its a feature". The washes are ok though and they have some little products i like. The fake artis opus drybrushes are ok, better than citadel at least and the Wet palette is very nice. Their basing material is ok and the airbrush colors were quite good.
Now they release new acrylics called fanatic, but they dont get any bigger influencer to advert them. Only some niche guys with 100 subs. The thing is, the market changed. There are so many good to excellent paintbrands out there and AP is more expensive than them. AK, Vallejo Game Color, Warcolours.....they are all way better and cost less per ml. And then you have pro acryl, kimera, duncans paints and they are so much better.
I will never buy a army painter paint again. I bought the SP1 and after a year and a shtstorm later they released SP2.0 with 200 new colors and normal properties. And there was no trade in for the early adopters they scammed. So i bought xpress colors and contrast range. Sorry not sorry. Buy cheap and you buy twice. The sp red, which has a nice color, ruined 3 of my miniatures. 30 hours of my precious freetime gone, because they released a scam.
And for metals i use good ones. Metal colors, AK and Pro acryl. I would NEVER dare to use a "Magic Metal Paint" from the company which produced the "´Christmas Glitter in a bottle" XD
The semi transparent nature of these open up so many different combos to test and experiment with, like the gold over the copper, maybe it looks better over a red base for gold, etc. Will love to experiment with them
I wonder if a purple base with zenithol white would be good for a rich gold.
Bought a bunch of AP speedpaint metals after watching this video. I was dubious of them but after such a detailed review + goobertown microscope analysis i needed to try them and have fun 😂. Thanks so much Vince for making this video! Your opinion is gold!! 🎉
Thanks for an in-depth review of these metallics….really helps me understand how they work and look. Appreciate your time and effort!
Glad it was helpful!
This video got me doing a little research on actual gold colors. Turns out the yellowness of the gold seems to depend on how many carats it is. The more carats, the warmer the color, so 14 carat gold is a pale yellow, like your gold mix, but 22 carat gold is very yellow like a lot of the "gold" miniature paints. Most gold jewelry is not pure gold, it is an alloy, or mixture, of metals including gold, but also copper, zinc, and other metals. Carat is a measurement of the percentage of gold in the alloy. 9ct = 37.5% gold, 14ct = 58.5%, 18ct = 75%, 22ct = 91.6%. Gold leaf, which is often used to cover things like decorative armor, statues, architectural elements, picture frames, etc, is pure gold, which is why gold used in these items can look very yellow, and not as muted as 14ct gold, which I believe is what your gold mix is based on. There are also many other gold colors created by using different combinations and quantities of metal alloys, like rose gold, black gold, white gold, etc.
My main go to technique for metallics these days is using standard metallic paint (eg silver) as an undercoat, with a SpeedPaint over it for color (eg Sand Golum for gold). I feel it gives more shading than the metallic SpeedPaints, although I'm going to give them a try as well
Very interesting. Army Painter have really gotten their act together lately, I'm excited to try their new Fanatic range soon. Did they have metallics in there? If they do, I imagine they might be even better than the speedpaint ones, in terms of coverage.
Quick side question: What do you think of the Scale75 metallics? I've been using them for tones Vallejo Metal Colour doesn't have (bronze+gold tones) but I don't remember you discussing them much.
Yes. The new Fanatic range has 162 standard acrylics, 18 metallics, 18 washes and 18 effects.
I am not the biggest fan of Scale 75 metallics to be honest. I've reviewed them in older videos and they just didn't do it for me.
I got a set of scale75 paints for an Xmas gift a long time ago and have been trying to use them including their metallics and to be honest rather deal with the issues with Army Painters War paints than use anything from Scale 75. No matter what i do they come out looking like garbage, thin them down they come our blotchy don't thin them they all come out chalky. Never had an issue with Citadel paints, and less issues with Army Painter than them. The colored metallics I don't mind just don't have much use for them.
Yeah, S75 move very differently to anything else. They still make perfectly usable golds, brasses and bronzes, but I'm also on the lookout for better options.
I seem to remember Monument recently put out a new dark bronze, maybe in one of the signature sets?
Edit: yes, it's "S24 - Matt Cexwish Dark Bronze"
Definitely keep going!!! PLEASE! Totally enjoying seeing all the things in your house that you’ve painted.
I love these paints and this video really shows how they fit in in a painters toolbox. It also shows off just how darn good Vince's 24ct metal mix is, i need to do some stormcast eternals using that
The Aztec gold is my favorite of the speed paint metals, its has a nice contrast effect, but lends well to the usual highlighting.
Just picked up the hoplite gold and liked it. Happy to see the comparisons. Definitely adding to my collection as replacements as I go. Thx!
An excellent review. I very much appreciate the emphasis on seeing how they behave on darker versus lighter primer or base paint coats. Thank you!
I’ve picked these up to make painting my guys for Old World just a little bit more enjoyable. Thank you for the really helpful content.
THanks for the incisive and complete analysis Vince. Glad to see that Army Painter has stepped up their game. I love the Vallejo metalics but these seem to be an attractive alternative, with more variety in the range.
Thank you for this, I need to pick these up!
Very useful to see them over the different colours. I hadn't thought much about it, assuming over black would be fine, but I guess it makes sense for the type of paints they are. Thank you.
Great video Vince. I've been using these AP Metallic Speedpaints with the VMC range for a little while and they might be a bit of a game changer. The darker AP SP Metallics can be used as a shade over the lighter AP SP Metallics without dulling the overall Metallic values (Nuln and Agrax type shades always kill Metallic shine). Then glazed highlights of VMC Gold or Chrome can give almost chromatic effect TMM.
Thank you for conducting a thorough and proper review exploring all paint properties such as coverage, quality of the metallic flake and how well they airbrush. It seems too many other channels just say "They don't provide much contrast" and leave it at that. Well done!
Glad it was helpful!
Gosh, the gold over the copper looked stunning! What a great review. Thoughtful, detailed and helpful. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Appreciate the thorough review.
Awesome review, thanks, Vince!
Great job Vince. I will give them a go
I really love the Vallejo German red-brown primer for models that are predominantly gold. Think Stormcast or Sanguinary Guard. Thus no need to paint them brown. The slight red-ish brown hue of that primer with a zenithol might be a really good combo with these.
Another great review. I have these and haven't experimented much beyond basic usage for board game minis, but you've given me some ideas to really get the best out of them.
Glad I could help!
I've used these and really enjoyed to quickness and ease of use. I was able to be quick and efficient on zenithal primed models. If I made a medieval armored army I'd be using these products like crazy. Looks really good with highlighting!
Thanks for another excellent video mate. As usual, informative and a great appraisal. Cheers 😄
My pleasure!
Thank you so much for the in depth review ! It is good to see an alternative to VMC and Vallejo challenged with other quality metallics.
Glad it was helpful!
The main reason why gold paints are so yellow is because the color of 18ct gold is by far the most famous tone of gold. That's followed closely by even more yellow 22ct tone.
The average person would also struggle with telling if a ring is made of brass or gold if you put a 14ct gold ring next to a brass ring. They'll assume the brass ring is gold because it's the yellow one.
Very rad man, def gonna give them a try now vs would have never given them a chance!
Very surprising and encouraging results.
Vince, love all your metallic coverage. Still working on improving non-metallic metal tecniques and you've been a great guide. Thanks.
Glad to help!
I got the big Speedpaint 2.0 set and kind of discounted the metals at first. Then I mixed the bright and slightly darker silver together for some armored knights... suddenly I really liked them. Havent used them all yet, but to be honest I fend them a joy to use. Very flowy and nice to put on.
Have missed these product reviews Vince!
Thanks for the video! It almost seems like for a lot of minis that are out there, we should maybe be priming it all in brown colors instead of black.
Excellent review and really good news to hear
This is super helpful. I’ve got these paints but always put them over a black primer/base coat and was disappointed. Being able to use these straight over a zenithal will be fantastic!
Having treated myself to these after this video i really haven't been disappointed, fantastic as always Vince and thanks for making my metallic jobs easier 😂
Great to hear!
Wow I'm blown away!
They do look really great. I especially liked the airbrushed look when they layered up.
I've been experimenting with the Golden high flow paints and Monument's Glaze and Wash medium, and using Golden's metallic paints with the medium work a lot like this and are easy to mix other Golden high flow paints into to get different tones. I'll have to see if I can get a similar airbrush effect that way.
Just got the Speedpaint Complete Set and super pumped to try these metals out!
Have fun!
Super cool. I remember when contrast first released, you called contrast metallic as the next development. Definitely need some of these.
I’ve been waiting for your review of these speed paint metallics. 🎉
Thanks Vince ; Sure liked your comment on undercoating "golds" with brown !
I have found in my limited experience with these paints the same results as you, in particular they work really well with the slap chop method of speed painting. Undercoating in black then dry brushing over with a dark grey, a medium grey and a white before using these paints gives really good coverage. In particular I adore the bronze! Bought some Stormcast the other day so looking forward to trying with them as well.
Very awesome, as always!
Thank you! Cheers!
I love the Aztec Gold paint. The label would have you believe it’s an intense green but it’s honestly a color match to Scale75’s Necro Gold but with more luster and an easier application
I have started using these over dark black brown for my gun metal and with it looking 'dead' it really works well for the gun steel, metal, chipping kind of effect, better than the regular metallic as they come through far too sparkly.
Cheers Mr V. Very interesting analysis, as usual. Keep well. 🖖
Thanks, you too!
Great review! The dark blue "Enchanted Steel" speed paint has become my Go-To for blued small arms (firearms). I used to do black with navy highlights and white edge highlighting but the enchanted steel shows great details and takes a single coat. Probably wouldn't use it for armor or fantasy weapons but that colt pistol or bolt action rifle? I absolutely love it.
Neat, thank you for the video.
Excellent informative video! AP gold paints look more like gilded armor from the 15th to 17th Centuries that I have actually seen in numerous museums, armouries and collections.
The picture is dialed in 100%. I know precisely zero about cameras, filming, or content creation. Every paint and primer is coming across perfectly on my screen, it looks fantastic on my end of things!
Definitely going to pick them up, I have always enjoyed AP’s metallics and the transparency of these opens up possibilities and color combos past what’s available. Can’t wait to try them over some color dense inks for shadows!
Go for it!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and insights, very much appreciated. If it's not a too big bother for your, please try to use a microphone mounted on you throughout the shoot so you'll get a) constant quality and b) an easier time editing because there are no jumps in volume. Talking about volume - you're output is way too low which leads to the YT ads blasting out my ears in the middle of the night. Try to work with the output meters, maximize your volume to the dB allowed by YT and possibly even think about using a compressor.
Great paints. Those + quickshade wash does the job done.
Thanks Vince, great video, I was debating whether to buy the speed paint metallics because of how the gold looks, and I've made my mind up, more paint added to over 700 paint collection 😅 hopefully in 20 years when I still have the paints there is a medium to revive them, I'll be needing a few gallons.
I was actually surprised at the amount of coverage they had over straight black. They also brush on quite nice.
Soo, if those are best applied on top of lighter color, that makes them perfect for clap chop, as I can drybrush "metal" areas of the mini with the color I wanr, from white to ivory or go for zenithal look. Sweet.
Thank you very much for video and test!
I suck at painting metallics and these have been a godsend to me...finally I can paint my Stormcast and not be embarrassed
I really like the 2nd paint over black. Something about it is fairly interesting to me. I can see myself trying this for a 'black knight' armor look.
As far as the underpaint with brown thing, I add a drop of burnt umber ink to my pool of a couple drops of speed paint, and paint on to my primed model. Gives the warmth without double painting.
Like many others in the comments, I did not see this one coming! Them being good enough to get a recommendation from you.
Very interesting - I've been a VMC purist for awhile now, and I don't think this will replace them (on account of I already own them!) but it's great to see more good options in the retail space. And if I have a project with a lot of bronze, I'll have to consider picking up a bottle.
hey love your vids i think you are really a great artist,just started following you on instagram as well...cant wait to try and paint that alpha legion like you did!!
Good luck!! You can do it!
In some ways, i'm really kinda glad you didn't post the comparison of "But does it look like actual metal?" It shows that you're taking the intent of the thing, and testing it more-so under the conditions it is meant for. Bravo!
Thank you. This was very informative and I feel like a have a much better handle on using these after watching your video.
Glad it was helpful!
huh. I hadn't heard the most favorable things about the speedpaint metallics, most reviewers seemed to struggle to find a use for them, so it's interesting to see your approach, trying to find a sensible use case and succeeding, rather than writing it off after a cursory glance. maybe i'll have to pick some of these up... hope you're doing well, Vince. thanks for bringing us continuous hobby insights :)
I'll have to check these out, I took your advice years ago on the Vallejo Metal Colors, and never looked back. My only sticking point was their utter lack of range between gold and copper. It looks like these will help fill that gap.
I found the undertone makes quite the difference on these. Vallejo air metallics make great undertones for them
great review, this company keeps listening to their customers and putting out some good products
I really like this metallic 2.0 set. 🖌
Well, more than a month after my previous comment and after I got this metallics range and used them extensively, I can say that they are among the best metallic pains I've ever used. On a level with Tamiya and Mr. Hobby.
I am impressed with the results of the speedpaints. That said, the vallejo metal color is still at the top for me.
I got a steel and the two golds from my local game store and I liked the coverage the best. They dry on the palette weird though
You rock
Mr. Vince, I was using these paints over black, and I now know it was a mistake. Thanks for th the video
Just noticing now Vince grew that beard into the shape of a GW paint handle. Good man 😝
Great video as usual Vince thanks for the time you took to put them through your process, like you I like using the Vallejo metallic paints, I tried the air gold and was not Impressed as they were very thin, will look at adding these to my collection at some point. I have yet to try zenethal work even after a few years and many miniatures, guess that's another step I gave to take, thanks again for this video.
Thanks 👍
I've absolutely fallen in love with these things. I've also found that mixing Horde Bronze 3:2 with polished silver makes for an amazing light brass color. Since I got these Grey Knights Steel is pretty much the only other metallic I still use outside of edge highlights.
I'll keep an eye on these. Pro-Acryl and Vallejo Metal Color are still the best acrylic metals in my opinion, but AP has really been trying to fix their reputation and boost their quality of product. This new speed line seems very promising
I love those paints - I always hate the heavier consistency of metal paints. Speedpaints absolutely take that problem away. Most of the time I'll treat them as normal metals so far. Some dark wash over them, a quick dry brush and some extreme highlights. Works well and is fast :)
Nice comparison!
I like when the guys at the Army Painter do something different. I was one of the fans of the reactivation of the first SpeedPaint line.
Me too I think they are missing an opportunity to keep selling the 1.0 medium
It would probably ultimately hurt sales to have two so similar products in the market. In like "oh is it this or is it that, ahh what ever I buy the Vallejo colour...". @@CaptinCrofty
Thanks a lot for testing these paints! I wasn't considering them, but the effect on a zenithal looks really nice. I could use a gold, brass or bronze that works out of the bottle - especially for smaller projects where mixing can be quite wasteful. Never got the hang of tinting metals as Trov likes to do which would be a good supstitute.
Glad I could help!
Hi Vince, Great review - would love to see your review on green stuff world chrome gold range😊
I've played a bit with the speed paints and I find I like to use the speed paint with base grey, zenith dark grey from the bottom and zenithol light grey from the top. For some colors like red I'll use pink and zenithol white on top
Fantastic video, I was an early adopter for their metallic paints and they're always in arms reach. Oddly enough, for tabletop gaming I've found they are a bit more durable than traditional metallics as well, maybe due to something in their suspension resin?
edit: one thing I did find and I mentioned this to Uncle Atom is if you get optimistic and put them on thick like a traditional speedpaint, the pigment settles and you get a plastic glossy surface that almost sits above the paint. I made this mistake when I first started but realized quickly that if you apply them thin like traditional paints the results are amazing (as your video shows)
Great review! I’ve been looking for a good metallic paint
Glad I could help!
I am enjoying these new speed paints as well and I like the copper, brass and bronze as well.
I have found some success in mixing in some inks and wash or citadel contrast paint. I found that a bit of of red with the copper has a really nice effect and some sepia with the bronze color changes how they look for my own visual preference. Your preference may be different but it was a lot easier to mix in color to these speed paints than the Vallejo Metal. For me working with the Vallejo metal has always been a bit harder. Not sure if its the altitude or something I am doing wrong but I am able to airbrush or brush paint the speed paints on pretty smooth but for the vallejo metal color paints I have only found a smooth success on the airbrush. I still keep trying to figure out what I am doing wrong but with a brush (synthetic cheap amazon bags) I always get clumping when trying to highlight or shade.
I did not think to go over white and should have read the instructions though. Thanks for that as I will be trying zenithal and white with these new paints. I look forward to you future tips with these paints or just in general.
Just reading the title here without watching the video makes me want to comment a request for you to blink twice if you are being held hostage.
Good job with all your tests!
I am a fan of Army Painter's newer products, but I have yet to try the metallic SpeedPaints. One thing I wish to see tested with them is if they look better over a glossy white undercoat compared to a matte one.
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
Thank you 👍
I love the ratcast army your painting
After using them my only gripe about these paints is that their tones are a bit too "cartoony" for my taste. But I guess its always easier to tone something down than to tone it up, which makes it reasonable for them to be that way
nice run down!
Would be interesting to see what a Zenithal top/underspray with a contrasting colour would do with the shading
I've been experimenting with brown to ivory zenithals on a bunch of stuff lately, I find it gives richer shadows to a bunch of paints when you use them. I'm less of a fan of the speedpaint metallics than you though. I dont know what situation I want transparency in a metallic, I prefer to shade and highlight on top of a solid undercoat.
Goobertown has just released a video where he looks at metallic paints under the microscope and it isn't as simple as "good paint use aluminium and cheap paints use mica". Very interesting research there.