@Rayna Ramsay I think it was to remind Sansa that she doesn't care about being a lady or wear robes and stuff; making Little Finger's claims fall short.
Sansa at castle black : JON.... it's good to see you again. Jon : I just died and came back to life. Sansa at winterfell : BRAN....thank god you are alive. Bran : I am three eyed raven..... Sansa : ARYA... at least you are normal. Arya : I am no one. Sansa :(
When Arya returned to Winterfell she told Sansa that she had a list of people she was going to kill and Sansa chuckled. I see this scene as Arya saying I'm not the girl you remember, but I'm still your sister and I will never harm you.
If Arya wanted Sansa dead, she'd be dead. But what's even better is that not only did she hand her the knife, she immediately turned her back to her. That's a huge show of trust for someone like Arya.
I still think that they knew, that someone is listening for Baelish, so Stark sisters made up this conversation so they would know for sure that Petyr is traitor.
The beauty of this scene is that if Arya wanted to kill Sansa, she could have right there. by handing her the knife, she was telling Sansa she had no intention of killing her or taking her place. That's why, when Littlefinger tried to convince her that Arya wanted to kill her and become "Lady of Winterfell" it rang false to her. So of course, her next step was to consult the Encyclopedia Bran-tanica to get the truth. Then it was all over for littlefinger.
this scene is cringe af, arya sounding all the time like she wants to kill sansa, even though she doesn't have any intentions to do that. that might be cool in some B quality thriller, but it only shows how deep GoT fell the last two seasons
@@trackanalysis6369 You have to understand...at this point, Arya had found that note, and she was angry at Sansa, and I would argue, rightfully so. But she wouldn't kill Sansa. That was exactly what she let Sansa know in that scene...well, that and the fact that she was now a faceless man, aka, assassin.
I never noticed how Arya actually continues playing the game of faces. She answers Sansa with a lie good enough to make her believe it. And also lets her see she has no intent of killing her at the same time. Genius move.
@@mehmetnurisahin3767 Arya isn‘t planning on being Lady Stark at all. She never was. Even as a child she always said „I‘m no lady“. That hasn‘t changed, she says the same thing to Gendry when he wants to marry her. It is however exactly what Sansa fears, that secretly Arya is planning to take her place. They never really got along as children after all, and Sansa can‘t imagine anyone NOT wanting to be Lady Stark. So in telling Sansa to exactly what she expects to hear, she is telling a lie good enough that Sansa believes it. And wins the game of faces.
@@alexk7973 she also turned her back on Sansa whilst Sansa held the knife. That is a huge move that speaks of sisterly love and trust, because you don't turn your back on an armed enemy. Arya let Sansa know exactly where she stood, and even gave her the opportunity to kill her if Sansa doubted. This was a really well done scene.
@@Seuntfootytalks I'd say power and the trust @James Welty mentioned both intersect. Yes, Arya is well aware of her own power and capabilties, but also of her sister's. There is a certain power in trusting a potential adversary to the point whereby you can turn your back on them whilst feeling entirely secure and at ease with the motion. There is also power in the delivery of her message and intent.
Anyone else notice that Sansa showed more apprehension around Arya than she did when around Cersei who really was her enemy. Such was Arya’s effect on people. Even the hound was wary of her and he feared nobody.
Cersei wasn't dangerous by herself.she delt in the shadows.only killing and torturing through those under her command.Arya,if she wanted you dead, would tear out your throat herself.
Cersei was pretty predictable really, and I don't think she ever saw Sansa as a threat before Tyrion and she were framed for Joffrey's murder. As for Ayra, she had seen and done all kinds of weird shit in Bravoos. Sansa had no idea what she was capable of.
i'd say that's a pretty normal reaction for sansa to have to be fair; she has grown up with arya, they played together as children and had a lot of love for one another. now? they've been apart for so long. years have passed and they've both grown up apart, and gone through things that neither one of them can imagine on the other. so for sansa to see this complete change in arya's actions and personality must be really unsettling. at least cersei was predictable in her malice and cruelty, whereas sansa is now completely unaware of arya's intentions. she used to be able to understand her little sister, but now she seems almost like a stranger. makes sense for her to feel apprehensive i think same goes for the hound too tbh: arya is great at keeping up her walls and holding a straight face. it would be very hard for someone to predict what she was going to do next, and that's why people fear her. she's unpredictable, but in a very calculated way. when she wants to, she has complete control of the room. i think especially as she's young too, the hound likely feared what she was going to become in the future. having such a thirst for blood/revenge at that age can create a monster. i'm not sure why, but i always thought that the hound hoped she wouldn't become that monster. and part of his fear towards her was not because he was afraid of her, but afraid _for_ her. he could see her becoming more and more unlike the young girl he met so long ago, and knew after a point there would be no more coming back from the things she had done. i suppose he didn't want her to make the same mistakes that he did
There is a depth to this. Arya knows the walls are listening. She’s not intimidating Sansa, she’s intimidating spies whilst pretending Sansa is her target. Handing Sansa the knife is a silent oath of loyalty. “My blade is Yours” Arya just declared her allegiance. Told Sansa WHY she left the Faceless men behind.
@@kimberlyyoung3971 I could be wrong, but that is how I see it. Arya playing the game of Lies WITH every spy in the vicinity AND Sansa playing the game with Little Finger once Arya hands her the knife. Sansa is slow, but she learns.
I mean if this scene wasn't written by two complete and utter assholes, then maybe you'd be right. But this scene WAS written by two complete and utter assholes, who don't have the ability to produce anything even half as clever as what you're suggesting. So there's no depth whatsoever, it's just pointless like everything else in the later seasons.
"I wonder what it would feel like to wear those pretty dresses. To be the lady of Winterfell." I just realized rewatching this that Arya was playing the Game of Faces when she said these lines. She was lying. She's never wondered either of those things.
@@DutchGuyMike She said " I WONDER", not I wondered. She might have wondered as a child, but as of now, she is living her dream of being a warrior. She has zero interest or wonder of wearing princess dresses. Like richard douglas said, the game of faces.
Since Arya knew Baelish was trying to make the two sisters distrust each other ( he thought he was playing her but she was actually playing him), this conversation was staged for the benefit of his spies. The Stark girls were running the Long Con.
@@neilpemberton5523 by giving her knife she swore an allegiance without the spies hearing....my knife is yours....thats why when little finger tried to separate them she knew he was lying from teeth.
@Phoebus Apollo Garcia If you think your choices didn't lead you to where you are now then you don't know the game of faces :) it's how they loophole a situation where they can even trick someone into giving a name to kill someone and talk them into something, just like they talked Arya into going to The House Of Black and White, Why else give her the coin?. Arya knew Sansa was going to come into her room and snoop on her because of Littlefinger so she waited for her to do so and then for the benefit of Littlefingers spies she needed to convince them she'd turned against Sansa, when Arya went into Sansa's room to get the letter she knew Littlefinger was watching her but pretended she didn't know lol they both play a similar game since he uses spies.
Arya spells out in the beginning that she is playing the game of faces. She makes the lie (that she wants to become lady of Winterfell and thinks killing Sansa is an acceptable price to pay to get there) sound like the truth. That’s it. That’s the game.
Yea a wink or putting a shush finger across your mouth would have helped but I’m guessing the producers wanted the audience to not know Arya’s intentions
You have to go back to the swordfight between Brieanne and Arya for the answer to this, Arya looks up to balcony where Little finger and Sansa are standing and immediately you see Arya's face darken as she stares him down. She knows that he is manipulating Sansa so Arya gives Sansa a jolt of reality.... Sansa knows that Arya doesn't want to be Lady of Winterfell so the confrontation is a reality check for her , she realises that Arya puts family first and is concerned that she... Sansa is too close to Little finger. Handing her the dagger is basically saying " get real woman, stand with your family and don't let anyone divide it.... you know what you need to do". Arya gave Sansa a few serious home truths.
@@pennalopievalentine6604 illusions are rough man. She felt safe, but wasn't. She felt threatened but she wasn't. I can understand why Westeros has so many people go crazy
The girl probably has PTSD from being surrounded by sociopaths, give her a break 😆 even a normal person would freak out if their sister had people’s faces in a suitcase under their bed
Handing the dagger and turning her back on Sansa was her way of telling her: “I trust you. Trust in me.” Sansa could have killed her right there and then. As for the masks: she knew Sansa would find them. She wanted her sister to know the truth.
i dont think sansa could lay a finger on arya you've seen how she fights long swords without a weapon imagine how easy it would be if they had a dagger
Its funny. Arya in this scene was basically telling her sister: "listen sis, if you suspect that i desire taking your place, you got it all wrong. If i wanted to i would have taken your place already no sweat. Dont forget we are family."
In this scene Arya was teaching Sansa the game of faces to suspect a truth from a lie and when she handed her the knife that was telling Sansa that Arya was her Ally!
Sansa acting was great. She is underated as an actress and people give her little credit. She was scared of Arya and made Arya even more badass. It was subtle and that made this scene awesome.
I can’t believe they had actual latex faces in the bag. Imagine how much more powerful the scene would’ve been if they’d not shown us the faces and left the contents of the bag to our imagination.
Yeah, it felt "too fake" if you ask me. They should have been CGI'd instead of just these Halloween rubber masks, lol. Also the scene where Arya is Walder, where she kills everyone in the hall via the poison, you see Walder the whole time (old decrepit body) and then when Arya takes off the mask Walder's body suddenly becomes 50 years younger and of course the camera goes to a convenient point where you don't "immediately see" the switch happening. It all felt too fake/unreal to me, I just can't take it seriously.
Yeah, the fear of the unknown has been revealed to be nothing but a weird latex mask. It'd be better to not show the audience and have them simply figure it out from the dialogue.
@@DutchGuyMike i assumed there was magic being used when they would switch faces. Cause how tf do you copy that raspy ass voice the old man had? I think when they throw the face on they’re literally shapeshifting to be that person.
Arya was playing game of faces. She made Sansa believe in her story and that she wants to be a lady and wear pretty dresses. As soon as she won, she hand over the dagger and left.
While its true Sansa was good at the game, but catching lies was one of the things Arya literally got trained on. She's an expert on catching lies by that point in time.
Can you imagine, the moment after Arya left the room, that Sansa realized that last face she looked at, was the actual face of Walder Frey? That her sister is now a trained professional assassin, telling her of an atrocity with a complete peaceful objective description? Arya, "in her faces", allows herself to play among the world, laughing at it, for how she can fool "the system".
The question is, does Sansa even know how WF looks like? I don't think she does. So she probably would never realize whose face that was. They never met in the show, they very possibly never ever met. And I doubt the Starks had Walder's picture hanging on their walls. :)
"Oh yes, Little Sister has come into her own and is now the most dangerous person on the planet. Aren't you happy we're still friends dear sister, now get out of my stuff and close the door on your way out!?" I think Arya wins the game, no opposition.
People seem to really misinterpret Arya especially on the show. The show implies she is a psychopath and bad*ss who loves to kill. In the books, she’s a little girl who desperately wanted to be accepted and fit in, but she just could not. She was envious of Sansa at times because she was so “perfect” and ladylike. Arya also wanted to be a lady at certain points, she just could not do it. Eventually she is led to kill for survival because of the tragedy that unfolds around her. A little girl becoming a cold hearted killer is her tragic story. She has many moments where she misses Sansa and she does wish she could have been the lady Catelyn wanted her to be. She thinks she’s a failure because she could not live up to those expectations, and she feels lost and broken inside. A much better insightful story of Arya than the superficial characteristics that show gives her.
Never once I thought that Arya was a cold hearted psycopath that liked to kill while watching the show. I can understand that the books may give a better inner understanding... but I got the same thing you did while watchung the TV show and I haven't read the books yet
This scene and so many others where arya just silently sneaks up out of nowhere set the tone for the last scene where she stabbed night king. I do accept that scene could've been done better, but Arya's abilities shown in that scene definitely had a well developed growth arc. It wasn't out of nowhere like many people complain.
The knight king scene was just plain stupid, as there was an army of the dead between them, and she just flew in out of the sky, like a flying squirrel.
Here she appeared from an empty corridor, she could have even staged it and followed sansa from behind for a while. In battle of Winterfell the castle was conquered and filled with wights, yet most heroes survive somehow somewhere and Aray saves the day by flying in from somewhere in the night despite all the wight just there. That is the problem, not the final blow itself. S8 is a shitty rushed writing all along and this is only one of many moment showing how D+D were eager to go do StarWars as they ran out of ideas here, which backfired from fans AND SW franchise that - seeing what they had done to GoT - fired them immediately
I think Sansa understood the game of faces from the get go ,so when she said she could kill her and become her she knew she was liying...you know telling a lie and making it sound like the truth.
@@captainjefferies9047 She wasn’t lying. Arya could easily have killed Sansa and become her, just as she did Walder Frey. We know when they take the face, it isn’t really just the face. They become the whole person (same height, weight, arms, legs, skin, etc). Arya could easily have become Sansa, for a time.
@@garym6338 Arya couldn't live as Sansa for 10 minutes without people seeing through that. Sansa has grace, and she has a cutting wit. Arya couldn't fake those qualities if her life depended on it, even if she wasn't way to short. "They become the whole person (same height, weight, arms, legs, skin, etc)." Complete BS.
@@stillwatersrundeep001 i thought arya won. Sansa was terrified that she possibly be killed by her sister, but arya never intended to kil her. At least sansa lerned never to enter someone else room kkkkkkk
there are only two people in the world who gets to see a faceless man in his/her original form. sansa stark and the slave girl dany used to have when drogo was still alive.
Littlefinger didn't know who he was messing with Arya is a completely different person than she was when she was a child she is a faceless assassin who is loyal to her family and Littlefinger found out the hard way because it cost him his life.
I wish Bran had made a comment about Arya killing the Freys during their reunion in the Godswood so that when Sansa and Littlefinger confer after this scene it would have been a mind blown moment lol
@@pathetic2399 Getting Winterfell ready for battle. Managing the place while Jon's away. The respect from other Northern leaders to the extent that many preferred her to Jon. That they appointed her Queen of the North. That she worked out Littlefinger's plan to turn her against Arya. That she knew Jon and Ramsay well enough to keep the possibility of reinforcements from the Tully's to herself. That she managed to survive abuse and virtual imprisonment at King's Landing. To quote Tyrion, "I believe you will survive us all."
She could read people better than any Stark ...or Snow. She had to study the best: Cersei, Ramsay and Littlefinger. That is a hell of an apprenticeship. She always found her strongest allies in bad people turned good: Marjorie and Theon. I don't think Arya could out manipulate her. She is the primary reason Bran ended up King and her Queen of the North by finding out Jon's past and telling everyone immediately. She took Dany's support from her.
arya "i wonder what it's like to be the lady of winterfell, all i need to find out, is your face" sansa: (hold up she spent the last minute talking about how she wanted to be a knight and swinging swords around, her saying she wants to take over doesn't add up) sansa's slow, but she's learning.
Arya was by far my favorite character. Watch her go from be the hunted to hunter was awesome. She was straight up a boss. I wish they would have spun off and did a series around her.
Would it be a stretch to say that by the end, Arya had become one of the deadliest characters in the entire show... you just get that unnerving sense that she is a master death-dealer and that her life experiences, training and ruthlessness allowed her to become an elite assassin. DAMN I love her!!
You could probably stay safe, but you could never again be alone. Imagine needing to have at least 3, and preferably more, guards with you no matter what you do, be it sleeping, shitting or anything else. Also, never again being able to let any single individual close to you. No maids to clean or dress you, no girls in bed, no one can be close enough to strike you before the guards can get to you. At some point of that, most would probably choose death anyway...
I knew Arya was gonna be an over powered character when she was working as a servant boy and made the subtle jab “Anyone can be killed” when asked about the Starks.
Arya was playing it all very close to the hip. Having to manipulate Littlefinger through intimidating Sansa without Sansa knowing. But it worked out very well!
"I wonder what it would feel like to wear those pretty dresses and become lady of Winterfell" is a lie that Arya told. What Arya tries to imply is she knows that Sansa is intelligent enough to see through that bs statement so that Arya herself lost the game of faces. May be because of that she gave the dagger to Sansa so she will have the chance to stab her if she wanted. Arya is a trained assassin but Sansa is not. So, turning her back away is the only way that Sansa could have a chance. And same time , it's a power move to show that Arya trusts Sansa and she is loyal to Winterfell 😊
I mean, she's literally saying all she wanted was to become a knight. What on eafth would possess her to go back to dresses now that she finally has what she really wanted? Little Finger truly was a fool this season.
Arya never and still didn't care or wondered what those "pretty dresses" and "being a lady" is like. "That's not her." Sansa knew this too. This scene wasn't about threatening Sansa or tension between the two of them at all.
I agree it was about them two coming to an understanding that they are loyal to each other no matter what it was a great scene that set up Littlefinger's death
@@infozone9601 Oh no! Your criticism has exposed me as a fraud! Yes, of course this is true for boys. But, girls are generally judged and cajoled by society more than boys. Pardon me for being moved by a profound statement.
@@shwetanavani480 ? In the show, most of the women's storylines are that their agency is constantly and consistently robbed from them. It may not be as applicable in current times (even then, that's stretching it, in many places women do not have rights) but it rings true for the setting the storyline is set in.
This scene doesn’t make a lot of sense to me bc I don’t think Arya would really behave that way toward her sister . It was just to throw people off so that when they killed Baelish it would be a shocking surprise .
It wasn't just for her own sake, she also believed john should be king and she understands that her sister might have some inclination of being queen so she lets her know she is dangerous, she won't hurt her, but to stay out of the way of john.
I would’ve loved if she said the death of the Freys was her doing. Just imagine Sansa’s reaction, she then know that if Arya wanted to kill her it wouldn’t even be difficult.
Nobody learned well. That's also quite a nice trophy from Walder Frey. It takes quite a steady hand for such a delicate bit of cutting. Even the crooked nose was saved. Neatness counts. I'm wondering if little sister has a set of matching lampshades. 🤔
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Not the nicest way to explain your new job to your sister, but certainly effective.
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She should have taken her face😈
@@stormlighter82 but the height different cannot be annoyed .😂
@Rayna Ramsay I think it was to remind Sansa that she doesn't care about being a lady or wear robes and stuff; making Little Finger's claims fall short.
@@stormlighter82 But why didn't the face got decomposed...
Sansa at castle black : JON.... it's good to see you again.
Jon : I just died and came back to life.
Sansa at winterfell : BRAN....thank god you are alive.
Bran : I am three eyed raven.....
Sansa : ARYA... at least you are normal.
Arya : I am no one.
Sansa :(
Underrated
And the award for best comment goes to you. 👏🏽
Gdi has the norther cold freeze dried the normalcy out of the stark kids?- Sansa at some point probably
Sansa : Ayoo Rickon ...... sorry my bad
Sansa is the only normal one in the whole family.
If I was a faceless man, I’d definitely hide my gear in a super secret, super hidden, super secure location like under the bed.
She wanted it to be found. She knew her sister would snoop around her room and wanted to have this conversation with her.
When you're a bad ass like her you really don't need to hide stuff. Some peoples stuff you just don't jack with.
A man does not just leave his faces around. A man does this on purpose.
@@MrMegamike2k a man does not just leave his feces around. A man does this on purpose.
When Arya returned to Winterfell she told Sansa that she had a list of people she was going to kill and Sansa chuckled. I see this scene as Arya saying I'm not the girl you remember, but I'm still your sister and I will never harm you.
If Arya wanted Sansa dead, she'd be dead. But what's even better is that not only did she hand her the knife, she immediately turned her back to her. That's a huge show of trust for someone like Arya.
I still think that they knew, that someone is listening for Baelish, so Stark sisters made up this conversation so they would know for sure that Petyr is traitor.
@@rasengenacz2810 yes that’s why they said they wanted to play a game and the game wasn’t with each other but with those listening
More like a "I'm faster than you, you couldn't touch me even if you tried"
@@knives5964 More like "i stabbed before many times and i didn't die so if you stab me nothing will happen to me" 😄
If Arya was blindfolded then even Sansa had no chsnce
The beauty of this scene is that if Arya wanted to kill Sansa, she could have right there. by handing her the knife, she was telling Sansa she had no intention of killing her or taking her place. That's why, when Littlefinger tried to convince her that Arya wanted to kill her and become "Lady of Winterfell" it rang false to her. So of course, her next step was to consult the Encyclopedia Bran-tanica to get the truth. Then it was all over for littlefinger.
“Bran-tanica” lmaooo
hahaha Bran-ticana😂😂😂😂
You win the internet
this scene is cringe af, arya sounding all the time like she wants to kill sansa, even though she doesn't have any intentions to do that. that might be cool in some B quality thriller, but it only shows how deep GoT fell the last two seasons
@@trackanalysis6369 You have to understand...at this point, Arya had found that note, and she was angry at Sansa, and I would argue, rightfully so. But she wouldn't kill Sansa. That was exactly what she let Sansa know in that scene...well, that and the fact that she was now a faceless man, aka, assassin.
I never noticed how Arya actually continues playing the game of faces. She answers Sansa with a lie good enough to make her believe it. And also lets her see she has no intent of killing her at the same time. Genius move.
What did arya lied about here?
@@mehmetnurisahin3767 Arya isn‘t planning on being Lady Stark at all. She never was. Even as a child she always said „I‘m no lady“. That hasn‘t changed, she says the same thing to Gendry when he wants to marry her. It is however exactly what Sansa fears, that secretly Arya is planning to take her place. They never really got along as children after all, and Sansa can‘t imagine anyone NOT wanting to be Lady Stark. So in telling Sansa to exactly what she expects to hear, she is telling a lie good enough that Sansa believes it. And wins the game of faces.
@@alexk7973 she also turned her back on Sansa whilst Sansa held the knife. That is a huge move that speaks of sisterly love and trust, because you don't turn your back on an armed enemy. Arya let Sansa know exactly where she stood, and even gave her the opportunity to kill her if Sansa doubted. This was a really well done scene.
@@leohawk776 or maybe it's a move that shows power - I turn my back on you cos you can't do nothing
@@Seuntfootytalks I'd say power and the trust @James Welty mentioned both intersect. Yes, Arya is well aware of her own power and capabilties, but also of her sister's. There is a certain power in trusting a potential adversary to the point whereby you can turn your back on them whilst feeling entirely secure and at ease with the motion. There is also power in the delivery of her message and intent.
Anyone else notice that Sansa showed more apprehension around Arya than she did when around Cersei who really was her enemy. Such was Arya’s effect on people. Even the hound was wary of her and he feared nobody.
Cersei wasn't dangerous by herself.she delt in the shadows.only killing and torturing through those under her command.Arya,if she wanted you dead, would tear out your throat herself.
Melissandre nearly run in terror when she first met Arya.
Let's not forget the wights, everyone's fookin afraid of the wights.
Cersei was pretty predictable really, and I don't think she ever saw Sansa as a threat before Tyrion and she were framed for Joffrey's murder.
As for Ayra, she had seen and done all kinds of weird shit in Bravoos. Sansa had no idea what she was capable of.
i'd say that's a pretty normal reaction for sansa to have to be fair; she has grown up with arya, they played together as children and had a lot of love for one another. now? they've been apart for so long. years have passed and they've both grown up apart, and gone through things that neither one of them can imagine on the other. so for sansa to see this complete change in arya's actions and personality must be really unsettling. at least cersei was predictable in her malice and cruelty, whereas sansa is now completely unaware of arya's intentions. she used to be able to understand her little sister, but now she seems almost like a stranger. makes sense for her to feel apprehensive i think
same goes for the hound too tbh: arya is great at keeping up her walls and holding a straight face. it would be very hard for someone to predict what she was going to do next, and that's why people fear her. she's unpredictable, but in a very calculated way. when she wants to, she has complete control of the room. i think especially as she's young too, the hound likely feared what she was going to become in the future. having such a thirst for blood/revenge at that age can create a monster. i'm not sure why, but i always thought that the hound hoped she wouldn't become that monster. and part of his fear towards her was not because he was afraid of her, but afraid _for_ her. he could see her becoming more and more unlike the young girl he met so long ago, and knew after a point there would be no more coming back from the things she had done. i suppose he didn't want her to make the same mistakes that he did
Translation: "Stay the hell out of my room!"
You forget "bitch" at the end.
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I agree. I think Arya should have added Sansa's face to her collection.
There is a depth to this. Arya knows the walls are listening. She’s not intimidating Sansa, she’s intimidating spies whilst pretending Sansa is her target. Handing Sansa the knife is a silent oath of loyalty. “My blade is Yours”
Arya just declared her allegiance. Told Sansa WHY she left the Faceless men behind.
I never saw it that way. Makes it even better!
@@kimberlyyoung3971 I could be wrong, but that is how I see it. Arya playing the game of Lies WITH every spy in the vicinity AND Sansa playing the game with Little Finger once Arya hands her the knife. Sansa is slow, but she learns.
I mean if this scene wasn't written by two complete and utter assholes, then maybe you'd be right. But this scene WAS written by two complete and utter assholes, who don't have the ability to produce anything even half as clever as what you're suggesting. So there's no depth whatsoever, it's just pointless like everything else in the later seasons.
Yeah I think you hit it on the nose
underrated comment! Thank you.
"I wonder what it would feel like to wear those pretty dresses. To be the lady of Winterfell."
I just realized rewatching this that Arya was playing the Game of Faces when she said these lines. She was lying. She's never wondered either of those things.
Exactly......She wanted to be and is now a warrior like her father.
No
A pretty girl not custom to wear 'pretty' dresses is saying she never wondered what it feels like? Sounds like a lie right there!
@@DutchGuyMike She said " I WONDER", not I wondered. She might have wondered as a child, but as of now, she is living her dream of being a warrior. She has zero interest or wonder of wearing princess dresses. Like richard douglas said, the game of faces.
@@Synthwave89 So? I am not a native English speaker so your logic didn't apply to when I typed it down, and it comes down to the same meaning.
All she really wanted to do was be a little girl, but they kept trying to kill her...
All he wanted to do was play video games...
All I wanted was a Pepsi
@J that's bc there were no video games in her days.
Who, Arya? Because Arya always wanted to fight. Sansa always wanted to be a lady or a queen
@@Ward8668 and she wouldn't give it to me!!!!!
Arya sound like a sociopath
That's probably accurate.
Can you imagine if she decided to play the game?
She did play the game. Arya lied and made it sound like she wanted to be Sansa, Sansa believed her, and Arya left the room when she won.
Yup. You got it in one.
I bet you can not correctly define Sociopath vs psychopath without looking it up.
The realistic fear in Sansa's eyes is palpable. That's great acting.
Since Arya knew Baelish was trying to make the two sisters distrust each other ( he thought he was playing her but she was actually playing him), this conversation was staged for the benefit of his spies. The Stark girls were running the Long Con.
That's the only way this scene makes sense. Arya would never approach Sansa with a knife out unless it was to fool a third party.
@@neilpemberton5523 she was playing her game, telling a lie but making the other person believe it to be true.
@@neilpemberton5523 by giving her knife she swore an allegiance without the spies hearing....my knife is yours....thats why when little finger tried to separate them she knew he was lying from teeth.
A wink would have been helpful
@Phoebus Apollo Garcia If you think your choices didn't lead you to where you are now then you don't know the game of faces :) it's how they loophole a situation where they can even trick someone into giving a name to kill someone and talk them into something, just like they talked Arya into going to The House Of Black and White, Why else give her the coin?.
Arya knew Sansa was going to come into her room and snoop on her because of Littlefinger so she waited for her to do so and then for the benefit of Littlefingers spies she needed to convince them she'd turned against Sansa, when Arya went into Sansa's room to get the letter she knew Littlefinger was watching her but pretended she didn't know lol they both play a similar game since he uses spies.
Arya spells out in the beginning that she is playing the game of faces. She makes the lie (that she wants to become lady of Winterfell and thinks killing Sansa is an acceptable price to pay to get there) sound like the truth. That’s it. That’s the game.
I would have done the same as Arya except do a wink and a then a "shush" mouth signal, and THEN walk away.
@@DutchGuyMike Wink Wink, Nudge Nudge...
And she won, genius
Yea a wink or putting a shush finger across your mouth would have helped but I’m guessing the producers wanted the audience to not know Arya’s intentions
And Sansa never snooped around anyone's ever room ever again.
You have to go back to the swordfight between Brieanne and Arya for the answer to this, Arya looks up to balcony where Little finger and Sansa are standing and immediately you see Arya's face darken as she stares him down. She knows that he is manipulating Sansa so Arya gives Sansa a jolt of reality.... Sansa knows that Arya doesn't want to be Lady of Winterfell so the confrontation is a reality check for her , she realises that Arya puts family first and is concerned that she... Sansa is too close to Little finger. Handing her the dagger is basically saying " get real woman, stand with your family and don't let anyone divide it.... you know what you need to do". Arya gave Sansa a few serious home truths.
I wish she would have given a hug too :D
Sansa was so quick to invoke the men she had at her disposal. Lmao.
Sansa had to ask Walder Frey how useful was his men agaisn't Arya... Oh, wait, she can't... He's dead. And his family too.
She finally has protection of course she mentions it when she feels threatened
@@pennalopievalentine6604 illusions are rough man. She felt safe, but wasn't. She felt threatened but she wasn't. I can understand why Westeros has so many people go crazy
@@devinwhite5064 it's a dangerous world when this species is living in it
The girl probably has PTSD from being surrounded by sociopaths, give her a break 😆 even a normal person would freak out if their sister had people’s faces in a suitcase under their bed
Handing the dagger and turning her back on Sansa was her way of telling her: “I trust you. Trust in me.” Sansa could have killed her right there and then. As for the masks: she knew Sansa would find them. She wanted her sister to know the truth.
i dont think sansa could lay a finger on arya you've seen how she fights long swords without a weapon imagine how easy it would be if they had a dagger
Arya would imho be a pretty shitty assassin though, if her un-trained sister could kill her with a dagger just because her back was turned..?
@@lesathlux3941 pretty sure it was just a show of trust, i doubt arya would die without fighting like that.
@@teapuck2530 You're right!
sansa must be thinking that another one of my sibling became a weirdo
Honestly I would also freak out if i found out that my sister is an assassin
I, on the other hand, would give her a list and a cash retainer...
I would be proud, actually.
Wouldn't freak out but I'd make it clear I wasn't getting on her bad side.
I would hug her tightly and start making a list for her.
If a director reads your comment he'll make a comedy movie my younger sister is an assassin
Nope all she was saying was that she’s now an assassin and has no designs on being head of winterfell
Sansa's diary that day
Today I made Arya mad. I need a change of pants...
Funny😂
Was she bleeding?
@@NateSean took me a second. Nice
😂🤣😂
Thus ends the Tale of Littlefinger.
Mans was so competent, it took royalty, a faceless man and the three-eyed raven to bring him down.
Its funny. Arya in this scene was basically telling her sister: "listen sis, if you suspect that i desire taking your place, you got it all wrong. If i wanted to i would have taken your place already no sweat. Dont forget we are family."
In this scene Arya was teaching Sansa the game of faces to suspect a truth from a lie and when she handed her the knife that was telling Sansa that Arya was her Ally!
I love how she says “Back in Braaavooos”
Sansa acting was great. She is underated as an actress and people give her little credit. She was scared of Arya and made Arya even more badass. It was subtle and that made this scene awesome.
Part of the reason why her reunion scene with Jon was so memorable and touching (also they the fact that they are the first stark reunion
That 1 family member that everyone stays away from especially at get togethers.
I could say that Arya was always the black sheep of the family, but no. She is the black wolf of the house of the Stark :D
arya: dw they’re just my halloween costumes
I can’t believe they had actual latex faces in the bag. Imagine how much more powerful the scene would’ve been if they’d not shown us the faces and left the contents of the bag to our imagination.
Yeah, it felt "too fake" if you ask me. They should have been CGI'd instead of just these Halloween rubber masks, lol. Also the scene where Arya is Walder, where she kills everyone in the hall via the poison, you see Walder the whole time (old decrepit body) and then when Arya takes off the mask Walder's body suddenly becomes 50 years younger and of course the camera goes to a convenient point where you don't "immediately see" the switch happening. It all felt too fake/unreal to me, I just can't take it seriously.
Yeah, the fear of the unknown has been revealed to be nothing but a weird latex mask. It'd be better to not show the audience and have them simply figure it out from the dialogue.
@@DutchGuyMike i assumed there was magic being used when they would switch faces. Cause how tf do you copy that raspy ass voice the old man had? I think when they throw the face on they’re literally shapeshifting to be that person.
@@burnermansam7588 Could be IDK, it better be! Otherwise it is totally out of place lol
Why did, Jaqens face instantly transform tho?
Arya was playing game of faces. She made Sansa believe in her story and that she wants to be a lady and wear pretty dresses. As soon as she won, she hand over the dagger and left.
You know what’s crazy. Sansa has become such a player in the Game that I wouldn’t be surprised if she could lie to Arya and not get caught
Humble Sir you can’t lie to an assassin especially one that can be whoever they want to be or need to be to get the job done
I think she is absolutely terrified of araya. And would loose by being so nervous she would give herself away
Lol Like it's possible to fool Arya
While its true Sansa was good at the game, but catching lies was one of the things Arya literally got trained on. She's an expert on catching lies by that point in time.
Both Sisters Grew so much. Both Masters of what they do now.
If one of my daughter's caught the other in their room I'm sure there would be a stabbing. Or at least some hair pulling
Biggest combat skill Arya acquired from the faceless man training according to what we see in the show: flipping daggers.
Arya is the most epic mood every person wants to be
Sansa should have ended it with “you creepy little dork!” They are sisters after all
Can you imagine, the moment after Arya left the room, that Sansa realized that last face she looked at, was the actual face of Walder Frey? That her sister is now a trained professional assassin, telling her of an atrocity with a complete peaceful objective description? Arya, "in her faces", allows herself to play among the world, laughing at it, for how she can fool "the system".
The question is, does Sansa even know how WF looks like? I don't think she does. So she probably would never realize whose face that was. They never met in the show, they very possibly never ever met. And I doubt the Starks had Walder's picture hanging on their walls. :)
@@michaja2 but the other face, that was Meryn Trant face. She knew him because he was the one who tortured her in King's Landing.
“I’m going to scare the crap out of you because of what I’m capable of and them remind you I’m on your side.”
And that's why ya don't go through people's things, SANSA!!!
"Oh yes, Little Sister has come into her own and is now the most dangerous person on the planet.
Aren't you happy we're still friends dear sister, now get out of my stuff and close the door on your way out!?"
I think Arya wins the game, no opposition.
When you play the game of faces you win or lose face.
People seem to really misinterpret Arya especially on the show. The show implies she is a psychopath and bad*ss who loves to kill. In the books, she’s a little girl who desperately wanted to be accepted and fit in, but she just could not. She was envious of Sansa at times because she was so “perfect” and ladylike. Arya also wanted to be a lady at certain points, she just could not do it. Eventually she is led to kill for survival because of the tragedy that unfolds around her. A little girl becoming a cold hearted killer is her tragic story. She has many moments where she misses Sansa and she does wish she could have been the lady Catelyn wanted her to be. She thinks she’s a failure because she could not live up to those expectations, and she feels lost and broken inside. A much better insightful story of Arya than the superficial characteristics that show gives her.
I really thought she just wanted to be a knight. 🤯
Never once I thought that Arya was a cold hearted psycopath that liked to kill while watching the show. I can understand that the books may give a better inner understanding... but I got the same thing you did while watchung the TV show and I haven't read the books yet
You are soo deep✋
@@AndreaGonzalez-rq5yc I agree, some of that complexity is in the show too. I do feel like they could've dived into that more.
Honestly the show version is better
This scene and so many others where arya just silently sneaks up out of nowhere set the tone for the last scene where she stabbed night king. I do accept that scene could've been done better, but Arya's abilities shown in that scene definitely had a well developed growth arc. It wasn't out of nowhere like many people complain.
those who say it was out of nowhere didn't pay attention to many details that indicated Arya was the one.
The knight king scene was just plain stupid, as there was an army of the dead between them, and she just flew in out of the sky, like a flying squirrel.
Here she appeared from an empty corridor, she could have even staged it and followed sansa from behind for a while.
In battle of Winterfell the castle was conquered and filled with wights, yet most heroes survive somehow somewhere and Aray saves the day by flying in from somewhere in the night despite all the wight just there. That is the problem, not the final blow itself.
S8 is a shitty rushed writing all along and this is only one of many moment showing how D+D were eager to go do StarWars as they ran out of ideas here, which backfired from fans AND SW franchise that - seeing what they had done to GoT - fired them immediately
@@siriusczech
I'm so glad to hear they were fired. They deserved it.
That scene is filled with so much tension! After watching it again, I still find myself holding my breath until Arya walks away.
The man is proud
I think Sansa understood the game of faces from the get go ,so when she said she could kill her and become her she knew she was liying...you know telling a lie and making it sound like the truth.
Arya was not lying when she said that.
@@DVankeuren She was. She doesn't have the temperament or the diplomatic skill to live as Sansa.
@@captainjefferies9047 She wasn’t lying. Arya could easily have killed Sansa and become her, just as she did Walder Frey.
We know when they take the face, it isn’t really just the face. They become the whole person (same height, weight, arms, legs, skin, etc).
Arya could easily have become Sansa, for a time.
@@garym6338 Arya couldn't live as Sansa for 10 minutes without people seeing through that. Sansa has grace, and she has a cutting wit. Arya couldn't fake those qualities if her life depended on it, even if she wasn't way to short.
"They become the whole person (same height, weight, arms, legs, skin, etc)."
Complete BS.
@@captainjefferies9047
Omg 😂 Did you even watch the show ?
"They're not here now." Shots fired!
The worst person to be a queen of the north is SANSA.
Sansa finds out that Arya was on the last series of Spitting Image,
Sansa: Arya. You're such a weirdo.
Ah yes.
The incredibly powerful ability to perfectly infiltrate every place on the known world - never to be brought up again.
that was the coldest 'stay out of my room' I've ever seen🤣
That was her being as honest as she could, she told Sansa they were playing the game of faces.
And Sansa won, because she caught Arya's lie and didn't believe her
@@stillwatersrundeep001 i thought arya won. Sansa was terrified that she possibly be killed by her sister, but arya never intended to kil her. At least sansa lerned never to enter someone else room kkkkkkk
i would love to see a spinoff of just about her and her adventures after...
That was BADASS. Arya was the boss.
#TeamArya
A psychopath basically
@@edoardofichera5278 A psychopath trained to revenge her family's death*
Arya is the most dangerous person in Winterfell.
Such serial. Much killer. Wow.
I want your face /avatar/
@@olympiaelda1121 Well tough cookies! You can't have mah face!
there are only two people in the world who gets to see a faceless man in his/her original form.
sansa stark and the slave girl dany used to have when drogo was still alive.
The quality of this clip! Great sound and picture. You should get an Academy Award, dude.
These series of events are some of the most rewarding in the series.
Littlefinger didn't know who he was messing with Arya is a completely different person than she was when she was a child she is a faceless assassin who is loyal to her family and Littlefinger found out the hard way because it cost him his life.
Power move to turn around after giving sansa the dagger SHEEEESSSHHH
Was a show of her absolute trust in her sister. Gave her the dagger and turned her back. You don't do that if you don't trust someone implicitly
Arya and Sansa do love each other as they are family. 😢
I wish Bran had made a comment about Arya killing the Freys during their reunion in the Godswood so that when Sansa and Littlefinger confer after this scene it would have been a mind blown moment lol
Arya showed her strength then handed it to Sansa to see what she would do. Arya knows the game never ends.
i wish Sansa saw Meryn Trant face and discovered that Arya revenged for her instead of those stupid attempts to show problems between them.
Sansa mind voice : So I'm the only one, in all these years without any true skills😢
Political skills, managerial skills, people skills.
@@seaofghosts when has she been shown to have any of those
@@pathetic2399 Getting Winterfell ready for battle. Managing the place while Jon's away. The respect from other Northern leaders to the extent that many preferred her to Jon. That they appointed her Queen of the North. That she worked out Littlefinger's plan to turn her against Arya. That she knew Jon and Ramsay well enough to keep the possibility of reinforcements from the Tully's to herself. That she managed to survive abuse and virtual imprisonment at King's Landing. To quote Tyrion, "I believe you will survive us all."
She could read people better than any Stark ...or Snow. She had to study the best: Cersei, Ramsay and Littlefinger. That is a hell of an apprenticeship. She always found her strongest allies in bad people turned good: Marjorie and Theon. I don't think Arya could out manipulate her. She is the primary reason Bran ended up King and her Queen of the North by finding out Jon's past and telling everyone immediately. She took Dany's support from her.
The skill to get the knights of the vale under her command
arya "i wonder what it's like to be the lady of winterfell, all i need to find out, is your face"
sansa: (hold up she spent the last minute talking about how she wanted to be a knight and swinging swords around, her saying she wants to take over doesn't add up)
sansa's slow, but she's learning.
"Somehow those faces change my voice. Somehow they make me bigger and taller. Don't ask me how. I'd have to lie."
I love the fact that Arya never intended to lie to her it was her sister after all...
Certainly an enthralling scene. Great acting
Arya was by far my favorite character. Watch her go from be the hunted to hunter was awesome. She was straight up a boss. I wish they would have spun off and did a series around her.
She's a badass.
I'd definitely watch that. Hopefully not written by the same jerks though.
I was hoping she would sail off with Yara. What a pair they would have made
Arya has the same sense of humor as hound at this point
Would it be a stretch to say that by the end, Arya had become one of the deadliest characters in the entire show... you just get that unnerving sense that she is a master death-dealer and that her life experiences, training and ruthlessness allowed her to become an elite assassin. DAMN I love her!!
You could probably stay safe, but you could never again be alone. Imagine needing to have at least 3, and preferably more, guards with you no matter what you do, be it sleeping, shitting or anything else. Also, never again being able to let any single individual close to you. No maids to clean or dress you, no girls in bed, no one can be close enough to strike you before the guards can get to you.
At some point of that, most would probably choose death anyway...
I knew Arya was gonna be an over powered character when she was working as a servant boy and made the subtle jab “Anyone can be killed” when asked about the Starks.
Most long-winded and awesome way of saying 'Don't fck with me." 🤣
Moment realization for. Sansa that Arya is more dangerous than the Dragon Queen..
Even after everything Sansa has been through Arya's lessons in Bravoss have her on the back foot.
Arya was playing it all very close to the hip. Having to manipulate Littlefinger through intimidating Sansa without Sansa knowing. But it worked out very well!
"I wonder what it would feel like to wear those pretty dresses and become lady of Winterfell" is a lie that Arya told. What Arya tries to imply is she knows that Sansa is intelligent enough to see through that bs statement so that Arya herself lost the game of faces. May be because of that she gave the dagger to Sansa so she will have the chance to stab her if she wanted. Arya is a trained assassin but Sansa is not. So, turning her back away is the only way that Sansa could have a chance. And same time , it's a power move to show that Arya trusts Sansa and she is loyal to Winterfell 😊
"Hey sis...long time no see. I serve a god that drinks the blood of contracted kills and I wear the skin of my victims. How's winterfell been?"
I mean, she's literally saying all she wanted was to become a knight. What on eafth would possess her to go back to dresses now that she finally has what she really wanted? Little Finger truly was a fool this season.
She is not saying she wants to wear Sansa's dresses and be a lady. "I wonder" does not mean "I want to be" ... at most it means "I want to know."
Arya never and still didn't care or wondered what those "pretty dresses" and "being a lady" is like. "That's not her." Sansa knew this too. This scene wasn't about threatening Sansa or tension between the two of them at all.
I agree it was about them two coming to an understanding that they are loyal to each other no matter what it was a great scene that set up Littlefinger's death
It’s okay Arya. We still love you.❤️
Even in that world where everything is really messed up, you are still going to freak when you see someone carrying around people's faces... 🤣
"The world doesn't just let little girls decide what they are going to be."
painfully true
Dude shut up. Before the 20th century that's true but now women have the same exact opportunities as men.
No however the universe decides everyone's fate. And then from there it's all up to you to make of it what you will.
Most boys don't get to choose either Mr virtue signaler
@@infozone9601 Oh no! Your criticism has exposed me as a fraud!
Yes, of course this is true for boys. But, girls are generally judged and cajoled by society more than boys.
Pardon me for being moved by a profound statement.
@@shwetanavani480 ? In the show, most of the women's storylines are that their agency is constantly and consistently robbed from them.
It may not be as applicable in current times (even then, that's stretching it, in many places women do not have rights) but it rings true for the setting the storyline is set in.
Yes, because Arya really took advantage of this amazing power in the later episodes. 🤔
This scene doesn’t make a lot of sense to me bc I don’t think Arya would really behave that way toward her sister . It was just to throw people off so that when they killed Baelish it would be a shocking surprise .
"What are these?"
"My faces"
"Where did you get them?"
"Party City"
Arya is still loyal to Sansa, whether or not Sansa knows it. But what Sansa does know, is that her sister is one fey, scary person.
sansa missed the perfect come back for arya saying she could wear her face...sansa should have said "and about 2 feet in height"
And Arya would easily retort that Walder Frey was higher (5 feet and 1 vs 9 vs 11 inches)
Lmfao had her in total fear mode lollll
I love how she is just scaring the life after her only to give her what she wanted and walked away after she terrified her
It wasn't just for her own sake, she also believed john should be king and she understands that her sister might have some inclination of being queen so she lets her know she is dangerous, she won't hurt her, but to stay out of the way of john.
Jon*
Not a "faceless man". The Faceless Wolf.
Thanks for recording this on your Nokia flip phone
When your younger sibling comes back from summercamp
I would’ve loved if she said the death of the Freys was her doing. Just imagine Sansa’s reaction, she then know that if Arya wanted to kill her it wouldn’t even be difficult.
Nobody learned well. That's also quite a nice trophy from Walder Frey. It takes quite a steady hand for such a delicate bit of cutting. Even the crooked nose was saved. Neatness counts. I'm wondering if little sister has a set of matching lampshades. 🤔
After the oath of loyalty from an assasin, Sansa knew Littlefinger was just BS.
Arya is so scary in this scene. I bet Sansa would've shit her pants..