'Making a Murderer' Lies vs. Truth | Louder With Crowder
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- Опубликовано: 10 янв 2016
- Breaking down 'Making a Murderer', the viral documentary on the trial of Steven Avery. Just how honest of a documentary is it? We discuss some of the lies vs. truth.
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My sister was telling me about this. She kept saying what a nice guy he was.
Then I think about the long string if loser boyfriend's she's had and what a poor judge of character she has...
+Clayton εжз
HA!
which guy r u talking about ? :p
+Clayton εжз she needs to learn to read. Comments throughout youtube discussions of the issues in this case will take you to transcripts of the entire unedited interviews. Videos of later ones. People post pro and con discussions of every piec e of evidence. The doc was already TEN hours long! People are expected to exercise some INTELLECTUAL CURIOSITY and research some issues. My God people are lazy! You all expect everyone who creates any discussion of anything non-fiction to do all your work and spoonfeed you every singloe morsel of info. You have google, yahoo, bing, etc--USE THEM! So many people have researched every little detail that it has become so simple to find all the information! Sheesh, it does not take a rocket scientist.
Sadly, I can relate.😅
It’s not poor judge of character as much as it’s false assumptions (too little information).
Cats lives matter!
Idk man I have a couple cats, and I think he was pretty humane in dealing with them.
+blunty gagnon Now, that we can agree on...
+blunty gagnon That's why i say, forget the murder case, just set this douse him in gas, set this nice Avery guy on fire and be done with it.
+blunty gagnon I hate cats. Dogs need to be set free and kill them all already so people can stop condemning other people for murder for killing a cat already.
Jordan Golde You dont even have the basic human decency to care for animals. You're just the same as this fucking scumbag Steven Avery (who killed a cat for fun), worse than animals. Animals dont kill for fun.
Why does everyone want to push the whole "cat burning" thing aside? There's a difference between hunting game & torturing a house pet. Everyone knows that there's a correlation between torturing animals and killing people.
+Isaiah Joe McGehee Fine I guess if I ever see someone killing a cat I'll just keep an open mind. Maybe I'll invite them over for tea, and we can go Christmas caroling together. There's no reason to fear them at all.
***** Yep just send all cat killers to jail, because that makes so much sense to you doesn't it?
Nobody said he was guilty just because he killed a cat in the past. People look at what he's convicted for, see that he burned a cat alive, and their not surprised. Killing small animals for fun is about power he didn't do it on accident or for game.
If you're already locked up for someone's death, but your past actions seem to lead up to that, then nobody's going to feel bad for you.
It is innocent till proven guilty isn't it? Do you think the judge and jury have bad judgement?
Angel some young Micheal Meyers shit
Damn I must have grown up around 8 killers because a group of neighborhood boys use to be mean to cats I agree it’s wrong but sometimes crazy old country boys that have nothing to do or nowhere to go on weekends do stupid stuff I don’t agree with it in anyway just saying
Most people do but childish pranks are rife with most children and Avery was not a very bright boy at any age. I adore cats. I think they are the most beautiful creatures to walk this earth but when we were children we suelled the dog onto them. I know people who use them as crab bait and others who toss them off bridges. It's horrible, it's outrageous, but not uncommon, and not sane, but most people grow out of it as they understand the world more.
Being a legal nerd and justice seeker, After watching #MakingAMurderer I studied the court transcripts and the police interviews done by LE from both counties - for both Calumet and Manitowoc Counties in a non-biased way. I became a bit obsessed you could say. I had an inner need to get to the bottom of this case to understand the full scope outside of the MaM series. With that said, I still believe wholeheartedly that Steven Avery and Brenden Dassey are both innocent of the murder of Theresa Halbach and I'll explain...
I believe that Bobby Dassey (Brenden's brother) and Scott Tadych (Dassey's step-father) are guilty. At one point I believed that Ryan Hillegas (Theresa's ex-boyfriend) killed her because he was stalking her and the cell phone records align with him harassing Theresa, logging into her voicemail and deleting a specific voicemail message. I still tend to believe Ryan Hillegas who stalked Theresa and Theresa's brother acted super sketchy during interviews with MaM interviews and law enforcement. He still may be guilty. All of the above (Ryan H, Bobby D and Scott T) all have motive and means to frame Avery. All of the above have access to the area and property where her bones were found. There was ZERO blood evidence of Theresa being in the house and not enough blood in the back of Theresa's RAV4 to call it a murder scene. No real murder scene was ever discovered in this case. Manitowoc county had $36 million reasons to get Avery back into jail because he was about to win a wrongful conviction suit previously overturned due to DNA evidence evidenceexoneration
HOWEVER - I do not believe that Steven Avery is necessarily a good person for harming animals and threatening his cousin. I don't think he is a good person nor do I believe that he's intelligent. I simply don't believe that he's a murderer or rapist. I believe strongly that he was wrongly convicted. I don't believe that people should be praising the guy. I simply believe that justice has failed two innocent people...severely.
End of rant...
nikilicious thanks for that insight... Now, what's your take on the west memphis 3 case?
West Memphis 3 is a much harder trial. I'm on the fence on that case. The victims were terribly murdered and it is so traumatic. I do have strong positions against the ex-step-father of one of the boys (sorry, I forget his name). I believe he should and could still be investigated further. Based upon the circumstantial evidence, I don't believe the 3 convicted guys were guilty although they took the Alford Plea to be released from prison. I also believe LE failed in this case dramatically. LE had tunnel vision.
That is a tough one. I haven't researched that case as much. Very good Q though. What is your take on the West Memphis 3 case?
Yeah, I agree with you. The evidence of the car is really off, with different colors of the car, bumper, and rear light reflectors and even the way the door handles open (to the left vs straight up) per eveidence photos vs her by the Rav 4. The blood evidence is so blatantly tampered, no blood or DNA in the home. No marks on the head or footboard if tied/chained and fightinh for your life. No cast off, no spray, not a drop of blood on the mattress. So much is off with this case. The "spare" key which could have been removed from the home when the Sheriff was in it days before the car was found. The regular key is square btw. Tadych smiling during the vereditcs for both SA and BD. Him and Brian only alibi each other than in a RECORDED jail call Tadych denies even being on the property at all that day. Sooooo many lies, to cover lies. I'd love to see financial records on some of these guys to see if money "just appeared" in someone's bank account.
nikilicious That's really interesting. Great insight. Thank you.
But what about his constant calls to/for her and things like that? Isn't that suspicious? I feel like he probably has done some other horrible shit, just my opinion of him.
But, the biggest problem is that we always get so caught up in "the mystery" and the investigation, that I feel like the thing that gets forgotten or left out is the victims themselves. To have your life snuffed out, unexpectedly, at a young age, on some random day just like any other....And in a violent and horrific way, none the less. Suddenly you're facing the afterlife, and whatever that entails (possibly bad) just seems so unfair, and feels to me like the thing that is usually the most overlooked, in most cases. Ya know? Thanx for your response again. Oh, and the phone calls thing. Lol. What do you say about that stuff? Thanx. ☺
Johnny DiPP - what you're saying is true, that often we get caught up in the mystery. Teresa Halbach is a victim of a horrific crime gone unsolved. I don't know about other justice seekers/MAM fans, but I do know that Teresa was my reason for digging for truths and facts. She lost her life and it's terrible.
I'm not sure what to make of the repeated phone calls of Avery. However, her former boyfriend Ryan Hillegas, was downright harassing her much more that day than Avery who had an appointment with her. Ryan was harassing her and has been known to be controlling and obsessive. Ryan is also the guy who broke into her phone and removed a specific voicemail. He admitted to that on trial.
As to Avery's character - I don't think he's the most moral guy. I just don't believe he's a killer
No mention of Officer Colburn calling in Theresa's plate 2 days before the car is "found" on the outside edge of the property....
With her cousin Pam in the background yelling "it's here!"
probably because that never happened. saw the fiction NEtflix show eh?
@@heatherorth241 Despite the recording of the call being played back to that officer during his testimony in court, and him having no explanation for the inconsistency... Not gonna participate in reality today, eh?
@@deezee3566 you mean what you saw on a fake documentary on Netflix. I'm in reality; unlike you. THAT fake documentary LIED.
@@deezee3566 Reality check: November 3, 9:22 pm: AC makes a routine call to check a plate number he already had been given.
Man, you totally nailed it in one sentence: "We are living in an era where people don't care about truth." Absolutely! They want power, and they only care about arguments that help them get more power. Arguments that go against their goals, they silence by any means necessary.
"That was it, no motive" 33 million dollars is a big motive!
36 to be exact... That's a HUGE motive in my opinion
Renae Salazar yeah sure is. And it would of come out of the police departments, judges etc pockets not the states bc of the law there.
Avery had the same motive to kill her. And it's 36 million you dumb bitch!
@@ironbull7038 huge/big 🤷🏻♂️
@@ironbull7038 troll....
"Better that a thousand innocent men locked up than one guilty man roam free." -Dwight Schrute
there is this black liberal in my class and calls me mrs.conservative. I'm proud!
He might be your next Mr. President, better watch yourself
you talk too much, jenna
pseudo intellectual
yea well you're a dumb guy
Casual Gamer go play your casual video games
+jenna talks too much Good, make sure he knows his place.
Wow, what a waste of looks. If only you could execute more critical thinking and less linear joking. The bottom line is there is still SOME doubt remaining. No one gets to go to prison FOR LIFE based on suspicion and the testimonial confession of a kid who can hardly tell time.
This "stump" member deserves a new trial where people like you would never make the grade as juror because if you don't see any 'doubt' in this case then you're not qualified as being reasonable for either side.
Man, what an incoherent rant. How can you concede most of the facts and still come to this conclusion?
The second season of this show sheds a lot of light on this stuff
Forget Avery.
I'm far more concerned with Dassey's manipulation by police.
That was what disturbed me the most, as well
watch season 2, it gets way more fucked up so much hidden evidence by the state its crazy
Did you watch the whole interrogation for bd the last hour of it he give specific details the cops didn't have yet nor was there any coercing going on not that I think he is guilty but it makes you think what is going on here ??
@@amandawilliams2266 the specific details he gave cannot be coroborated by any physical evidence. His story changed multiple times and most of what he said was disregarded as it contravened the states version of events. Most of the 'facts' Dassey gave were fed to him and even they can't be supported by physical evidence.
The state claimed in trial that they swabbed the hood latch after Dasey told them that Avery went under the hood, if that were true then why did the detectives interviewing Dasey spend so much time trying to get him to say that Avery went under the hood?
edgrrr101 exactly - they clearly were pushing him to say he touched the front of the car.. that’s what stuck out to me.
I covered my cat's ears whenever the cat in the fire was mentioned lmao.
And then Steven watched season 2 and his mind was changed
He's innocent of the murder period. Now her brother and ex boyfriend thats a different story.
From the first 20 seconds.......throwing a cat onto a fire DOES NOT equal murder, and it isn't a precursor in every case. Young children are curious, sometimes to a fault. It absolutely does not mean that Avery killed Halbach, period.
Exactly...........
Lol you two are prob the kinds of people who will excuse any behaviour to protect the sjw narrative. Pathetic crybabies - go enjoy abusing animals and claim that you're curious.. Sick freaks
You are a fucking weirdo if you really have a deluded mindset like that. Bad people are usually caused by other bad people or terrific events, but regardless two wrongs don’t make a right.
@@NeridaWarwick I’m not saying he’s guilty but ROFL!! Children are curious? It was just curiosity to douse a cat in gas and put it in a fire? Listen to your self, Jesus Christ
Innocent or Guilty these humans still deserve a fair trial. Re-trial !!!
There's something seriously wrong with your brain if you think Avery did it.
Steve Zurad He did it.
Don't be rude, you're making the rest of us that think he could be innocent look bad
Are we gonna get a part 2 breakdown?
XGiveMeLibertyX No because Crowder realizes he was wrong after getting ass blasted by the comments, he’ll never revisit the topic again unless pressed live. I like all of Crowder’s other stuff but this video was garbage
He was pretending his feelings were facts here...bizarre.
What does their family tree have to do with their guilt or innocence, or for that matter, the fact that they didn't get a fair trial? Their 6th amendment right was violated. All else is irrelevant until that miscarriage is corrected.
So true my friend. I, for one cannot judge a person on their choice of parents. Incidentally watching MAM I have come to love and respect Steven's parents for their undying belief in their son. It breaks my heart to see these tortured souls having to deal with a life that would kill anyone else with this kind of stress over these long years. They have my full support and love for the strength they have shown. It's far better than I could do.
This was SUCH an aggravating show to watch! The way they presented it, it was like "wtf is the prosecution talking about?! Wait, HOW DID HE GET CONVICTED ON THAT EVIDENCE?!?"
Then you do five minutes of googling, and it's like "oooooooooooooooooh, yeah... he did it"
+Mark Lugg Exactly.
+StevenCrowder what about the fact that he was getting his life together and goin to graduate high school? He also has a strong defense in the fact that he din du muffins. You're overlooking key evidence in this case Steven... I'm ashamed. And how do you know that cat wasn't asking for it?
+Casual Gamer I am just amazed all the key evidence the proc. had was collected by people that had no business there to begin with and any other case a judge would have tossed all of their evidence the second they tried to claim it was collected correctly.
zack9912000
It's all very shady but it doesn't matter the guys track record is damning and the optics of the situation are very undesirable for him.
Casual Gamer He has a horrible track record, yet with the BS they tried to push off as valid / cleanly obtained evidence is what gets me angry. The very blatant corruption regarding how the investigation was allowed to collect evidence from people who certainly should of had no business being there. On that fact alone half of the evidence collected should have been tossed. Also the blatant police tampering with evidence and "adjusting" testing lab policy's for evidence that would have never passed in any other case. Just screams they were going out of their way to convict the guy. Not saying he is innocent, yet for anyone to say they dont think the case shouldn't have been tossed for questionable evidence are insane.
I usually like your videos but I absolutely disagree with you on this one. After watching this series I think they are both innocent.
Please try to think objectively... the series is very biased.
vicki g And the people against him aren’t? They’re somehow innocent there? All they’ve been is biased in their constant dislike of the family and basing their case of off no rep evidence. And what was biased?
@@CalebMcFarland if you want to know what was biased, please watch this again and see what the producers failed to present in the series. They do have reason to dislike the family, I'm not saying that. But the guy also has a history of criminal behavior.
@@vickig7027 And the police aren't?
@@NeridaWarwick they sure were. Never said they weren't.
Please tell me you've watched season 2.
jesus allah Lol this has to be a bad bait
@jesus allah What?????????
@@NeridaWarwick, No he is just a convicted murderer.
By far my biggest issue with this case was the conviction of Brendan Dassey, I find it absolutely insane that a man can be sent to a life sentence in prison when there was not a single bit of physical evidence showing he's guilty.
+Professor Smileyz There was also no blood splatter anyway... So we are to believe that Dassey and Avery are clever enough to forensically clean all the blood... But not clever enough to fully get rid of the bones and car and key.... Does not add up to me... at all...
Yeah if killing animals makes you a murderer then I live in a town full of them one person killed my dog he killed his dog and my daughter's boyfriend killed there cats cause there was to many around
I told my daughter he was nuts but he still never spent a day in jail I should report the bastard now
Your show should be titled "Dumber with Crowder".
By the way, he never said "I accidentally threw a cat onto a fire". He actually admitted to it in the documentary.
Oooo sick burn ya got him there
Noah Kamper Well he did, you trying to belittle an actual comment is childish of you. Sorry he hurt your feelings.
Noah Kamper oooo sick comment, you achieved fuck all by commenting it.
I live in Wisconsin and there’s plenty of people in the more northern part of WI that sound exactly like Steven Avery. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
I believe they are called Upers
@@BennysGamingAttic Upers refers to people who live in the U.P. of MI, but close.
That was a low blow Crowder............hope you think more of the Australian accent..........
I thought the same, I live in central Wisconsin, a lot of the older farmer couples sound exactly like them. Specially in certain small towns its rly heavy accent the same as the Avery's primarily in the older generation 60-70+ years old
KGaming that’s a pretty honest mistake though. I live in WI too and I’ve never heard that accent in my life. I’ve never conversed with farmers that far north though
Okay first of all, a 36 million dollar settlement is MOTIVE. The blood in the rav 4 is placed where it wouldn't make sense, why is none of his blood on the key, outside of the door or on the shift knob and steering wheel? Why would he put her body in the back of the rav 4? why would her bones be found in several different places,miles away from the bonfire? And not to mention where is the splatter in the garage from the gun shot. Along with why did it take several searches for them to find evidence and when it is discovered its found from the department that wasn't even supposed to be working the case anymore.
Anyone who can kill an animal like that is obviously deranged.
I thought you were being sarcastic
that makes him guilty of rape and murder? what about hunters? are they also deranged? they kill and stuff animals... and then put them on their wall or turn into a carpet.. that's pretty duranged
deranged
+Airportris That is what I keep telling everyone! Holy fuck an ANIMAL's life is NOT worth a HUMAN's life and it's amazing how many people disagree with me! It's a fucking animal! What's next we can't use wood anymore because it kills trees and plants' lives matter?
+Jordan Golde Not saying what he did was right. It is pretty messed up I agree, but as Steven Avery says himself he was 17, young, and stupid (even more stupid lol). You can't seriously lump that in as evidence he killed a person, yet people do.
It was beyond shady shit that was done all through out that case.
+zack9912000 I acknowledge that like, in the first minute.
Yea agreed, yet it should have been a mistrial without question just from the blatant corruption regarding how the investigation was allowed to collect evidence by people who certainly should of had no business there. On that alone half of the evidence collected should have been tossed. Plus all of the blatant evidence tampering by the department, OJ would of loved to have all of that at his trial. His trial would have be tossed by the judge if his cases was handled like this. Not saying he didnt do it, yet for ANYONE to say he had a fair trial is pure bullshit.
i think the reason behind the documentary is to see if Steven Avery got a fair trial ,and in both cases it seems this not to be the case
Holy shit. Thank you so much for talking about this man. I’ve never heard another POV about this so I’m so shocked. I can’t believe how much they left out so that is just mindblowing...
The jury had relatives that worked for the County. Go figure.
What does that mean? Most school teachers work for a county government. Are school teachers thus now biased and need to recuse themselves from all juries?
yes they can have jury duty.
I'll be quite honest with you I think they are all related in that shit little town...
No but that and the 500 other shady corrupt things that happened do...
elvis316 the guys who found the.agic evidence were the guys he was suing, go figure.
Free Hat!
+Jonny Lupus I'm glad someone else is using this to bring attention to the plight of Hat McCullough.
+Rolf Hartmann he killed those babies in self defense....
+Jonny Lupus Oh hamburgers! I'll never make enough hats in time!
Rolf Hartmann hahaha i hope youre joking there...
Jonny Lupus
It's no joke that three eye-witnesses testified that if Hat didn't kill those babies they would have killed him.
"Family tree is a stump"..😂😂☠☠ I'm freaking dead from that comment lmaooooo
How do u explain the new evidence that suggests Teresa left Steven averys property and how a cell phone tower pinged Teresa's phone something like 13 miles away.
It didn't. You were duped.
She was in his fire-pit
@@belmum1689 you mean her bones were moved to his fire pit.
@@goatlandia8457, Moved by who?
@@belmum1689 nobody else was investigated, so who knows?
How was the fire pit dealt with? The coroner who was supposed to be there was told that it was a "conflict of interest" and she was sent home and told not to return or she would be arrested even though her department wasn't being sued by Avery. Yet Manitowoc cops who were actually being deposed in Avery's lawsuit were not only allowed on the property but they found the biggest piece of evidence.
If I were to guess who it was I would say Bobby Dassey. I think Scott Tadych involved himself by covering for Bobby. Having pictures of mutilated women and child porn doesn't automatically make him guilty but it is painting a picture of him and it's not good. The prosecution deliberately hid the fact that Bobby had that on his computer and hid it because he was their star witness. Pure and utter corruption.
Regardless of how good or bad these people are, the police did not meet, in any way, their burden of proof nor did they begin the investigation or the trial with the presumption of innocence. Those two aspects of the judicial system are the foundations of fair practice and justice. Your opinions are meaningless - it's the evidence that matters - and the police and prosecutors have not been able to link Avery (and definitely not Brendan) to Teresa's death. Did Steve do it? I don't know and nor do you - and that is the point.
We can know things. It's possible. But yes, I have to agree that its required to prove what you know. Just like I can just know the answer to a Geometry problem, but showing why I know the answer is every bit as important and knowing it. I know Avery did it. It's in his eyes, his behavior. I also know that means jack shit in a court of law. It's naive to think humans cant pick up on things without facts or words. You can read people. it's pretty easy.
Shie H. he said it should have been a mistrial and he should have been released. Maybe watch the video before trying to present a counterargument.
That's what lynch mobs are for, when the system fails to prosecute murderers.
Yes, the trial, for the JURY should be started with the person being presumed innocent UNTIL proven guilty. However, the police and prosecution do not start with that presumption at all, nor should they. In fact, the police in an investigation MUST have some idea or presumption of guilt or innocence. That said, time and again we see police and the DA doing things they should not do (sometimes with malicious intent, other times simply due to incompetence). And it gets very infuriating seeing innocent people get railroaded, AND guilty as hell people either "get off" or crap like THIS happen, when it should have been pretty damn easy to just do their jobs and have a slam dunk case. It puts a cloud of stink on the entire process for EVERY case.... unfortunately.
The police muddled the water with their press conferences. Avery had no chance for an impartial trail after that.
The documentary isn't trying to prove that Steven didn't kill her, its showing that even if he did, his case should never have been legible and he should not be locked away.
C he address that
So by that logic you think that a child molester that admits to raping a kid should be let free if he was not read his Miranda rights? Hate strawmans but that's the point you're making
With the advantage of hind-sight I'll admit that I used a bad example to articulate myself poorly. What I was getting at was if there's substantial evidence against someone should their trial be thrown out because procedure wasn't 100%. Look at Scotland, recently there was found to be a major issue in regards to keeping evidence in rape trial which resulted in 10's of rape cases getting thrown out.
If the police set up a guilty man what stops them from doing it to an innocent man
Light Yagami morality?
Lmao Crowder poor people don't get access to good legal defense. That's pretty well known. By nearly everyone.
The guy in this video is a complete clown , he does not have a clue
This comment section is hilarious. It's crazy how many people will cuss or insult each other over someone they've never met. 😂
I know right. Everyone is a "clearly ill-informed idiot that needs to stfu". I am probably the most skeptical person I know, over [quite possibly too] many things, and was told the other day that I am "one of those *idiots* that will believe anything"... because - get this - I said I liked Dr. Phil 😂😂
The bold assumptions are the worst! Lol.
@@leahballard9255 Well said.
I'm from Wisconsin and while most people don't sound like him, you do get that accent in some rural areas. And it's a lot more prevalent as you go northwest into Minnesota/ South Dakota in the Fargo region.
And what that has to do with anything? Is that racist? I've been called a racist so many times I'm still trying to figure out what the hell it means.......
‘That family tree is a stump...’ I died, lol.
By the look of your avatar Caleb, one might say that about you...........but I woudn't. I don't know you.
All I know is that I don't know enough information for conviction but I have enough for a mistrial.
I didnt see it as a series promoting class warfare with a rich vs poor angle. To me it seemed like it was highlighting how the government abuses private individuals with impunity.
Steven Avery had the money (because of his settlement) to hire the best legal defense available and he still could not win. Not because he was poor but because the government decided he was guilty before the trial started and bent the rules to make sure he was put behind bars.
Regardless of whether he did it or not there was an insane amount of reasonable doubt there that should have produced a not guilty verdict.
BTW, the cat, the masturbating in front of his cousin, running her off the road, and the robbery were all mentioned in the documentary. Maybe not to the extent they should have been, but it was there. I do agree though, that key parts of the trail were left out to serve a bias.
Even with the information that was left out of the series ( which I've researched), I still think that Avery is not guilty. The DNA on the bullet was not tested properly, the police had already managed to put Avery's perspiration dna on the Halbach's key ( i dont see why they couldn't do the same to the hood of her car), ect, ect. I could to on and on but this comment is already way too long.
Wait so you say that based on his past offenses it immediately, in your opinion, makes him a murderer? When you also say that there are many things within the evidence handling that were wrong, how can that evidence be admissible.
A corrupt injustice system frames an unintelligent man.
He sounds like the perfect skapegoat. Some of those cops need to be in jail. Where is the evidence?
Lenk always looked very nervous when being interrogated
They also played off the part where Steven ran that lady off the road and pointed a gun at her like it was nothing. They pretty much said that the police blew it out of proportion even though he admitted to doing it. I'm sorry, but that is a violent felony, it's not "nothing". If this guy is so innocent and sweet why the hell did he do that? How many good people do you know that run people off the road and point guns at them? The documentary further tried to blame the victim as "instigating" it because she was spreading rumors about Steven.......REALLY?! rumors? THAT justifies running someone off the road and pointing a gun at them? Also no I don't care that the gun was unloaded, it's still just as much of a felony.
They also played off the whole burned cat thing. Like he just "did is a joke and didn't realize what would happen". The cat DIED, it was horribly horribly burned to death. Even a complete idiot knows that fire burns and hurts. Throwing a cat into a fire isn't just a stupid mistake. It is an intentional torture of a small animal........interesting, like the signs of a psychopath?? It's not "nothing", it's not "just some old animal cruelty charge" it is a small glimpse into what that man really thinks of life.
+Tregeta That was no lady. That was his drunken lying cousin.
+Tregeta "They pretty much said that the police blew it out of proportion even though he admitted to doing it."
Did they REALLY or are you just seeing what you want to see? From what I recall, they gave the viewer everyone's side of the story and left it to you decide what to think. Explain to me how the filmmakers told us it was ""nothing"", I really want to know what makes you think they had such a strong message because to me it seems like you and a lot of other people are putting words into their mouths.
+shinjite06 agreed. Tregeta is putting his own narrative into it. Avery himself might have tried to minimize his guilt, but the film laid it all out there from different perspectives.
the woman he did that to was his cousin who hated him and his family. he's not smart. this woman was married to someone high up in the police department, she had it out for steven. her friend was the officer that said said that said the rapists sounded like Steven.
+Bob Ama
Fact remains that it is still a crime.
I’d love to see an update on how he feels about season 2
Crowder, I encourage you to watch part 2 and make a follow up video. Seems like many people are back to visit this after part 2 was released on Netflix.
I live 30 minutes from Avery and I know many people who knew the family - they all think he's guilty as FUCK!
+Robert Rogan I wasn't claiming it's evidence, it's more just a comment I thought people may find interesting given my unique insight.
+Aaron Lehman
People all thought he was "guilty as fuck" for the rape on the beach too.
Even the police sketch artist - that lying ignorant shit bag - so desperate to cover his ass made a fool of himself saying that he STILL ISN'T CONVINCED: that DNA doesn't prove anything. LOL.
We are all doomed. Pray Christ there are comment sections in HELL, at least. hey?
Oh well, if people think he's guilty, he must be then ! Nothing wrong with that assertion.
Already responded to this a year ago: "I wasn't claiming it's evidence, it's more just a comment I thought people may find interesting given my unique insight."
although i disagree with the whole "everyone THINKS he is guilty" thing, if you do further digging into the case there is substantial evidence that he did do it, you'll be like "shit... it was him"
Buddy, none of your concerns address the key issues of: where was the crime committed? Where is the physical evidence that supports the assertion that the crime committed where they indicated it was (the garage or the room)? Why was the victim's car used to transport the body if the killing occurred in the trailer or the garage and the body was burned mere feet away? How was the body placed into the fire? In pieces or intact? If in pieces where are the tools that were used to dismember the body? Where are the ropes, handcuffs and other ligatures used to bind, torture and rape the victim? Where is the spatter? The vaginal fluid? The hair? The sweat? The semen? I have been to scenes of violent homicide and there is evidence everywhere. Bodies in motion cast fluids in all directions and at various distances...
Law Enforcement had eight days on the property? They should have an ocean of physical evidence. Where is it?
You know what I think? I think the DA is responsible for the victim's death.. He was shown to be deviant and predatory. Or how bout the ex boy friend? Creeper much? Or the roommate that didn't report the victim's disappearance for four days?
No, Avery was not given a fair trail. This should have been an easy case to solve, prove and convict upon. What happened and why?
+Hibernian Son watch all of dasseys confessions an youd know the answers to the questions you pose lol he explained all of it , open your eyes, maybe do a bit of research before you open your mouth cause you will end up looking stupid
+Romulan kush88 That confession, so called, was coerced and should be inadmissible. Please show me where the physical evidence corroborates his statements. Where is the blood stained mattress? The ligatures used to restrain the victim? Where's the knife? There is no ballistics to be found on the bullet they found so they cannot prove what firearm it was fired from so they can't prove a specific firearm was used. Where's the victim's clothes? Shoes? Fire doesn't destroy metal buttons, implants, zippers... Where's the forensic evidence that substantiates any aspect of the sexual assault narrative..?
lmao actually the bullet was proven to be fire by his gun so you clearly only watched the documentary which conviently left out lol she had a bullet hole in her head lol you need to do some deeper research man i have made my point clear an your blabering the defense weak argument lol the defense couldnt convince 24 jurors that they were innocent lol but a 10 hour documentary has you conviced lol dig deeper sarge
I swear some of the RUclips comments are from Manitowa Country Sheriffs folks.
+Romulan kush88 There was no data from the bullet. Bullets are marked by the bore of the firearm''s lans and grooves of its rifling. Without that data there is no way to associate a particular firearm to a particular bullet. The bullet they "found" was flattened. Thus there was no markings from the bore of the firearm to be compared and therefore no way to say that that bullet was fired from a particular firearm. None.
He didnt say he accidentally threw the cat he said he was hanging with the wrong ppl at the time qnd was young and stupid.
Not an excuse
@@jeffreylanphear4380 Not a murder conviction either.
@@Munkenba haha well he has one of those too soo?
@@MoriartyTheFifth Not a clever take.
this sounds like that supernatural episode,
Sam, Dean were are you
burnt a cat? Being a cat owner, My god that's just hard to process, almost cried, and makes my blood boil at the same time. Just for that he should be executed for animal cruelty. Youd think altruistic "liberals" advocating animal rights and veganism would be horrified by this. I wasn't really surprised the "documentary" or propaganda piece was one sided. This SJW bull is exactly what they spew in "Sociology", "criminology" classes which often take the side of the criminal, making excuses for them, blaming 'external forces" (of society) citing injustice, and not the victim.
Marshmallow920 Exactly
Haha imagine that
Someone is killed and we are outraged about a fu@#*n cat. 😂
Such an odd comment. I’m ‘liberal’ and I think Steven Avery is guilty. He murdered that poor woman.
Fucking hell, not everything is about politics you tradrights. Some things are individuals making speculations. Stop spewing "SJW" yadayada "liberal" yadayada in every sentence that you can't critically think.
I watched the show and loved it. Didn't think of race politics or rich vs poor once. Why make this about that Steven? ? All the stuff he did was talked about in the documentary (Cat killing, pointing gun at sister etc). what the hell are u on about ? Glazed over maybe but discussed which calling that massively dishonest film making isn't fair. Not mentioning the dna on the hood is the only thing that should have been mentioned.
I think he's innocent. I don't see how they could clean up a crime scene so meticulously well and yet leave car keys and shells lying around. The police who found the evidence we know had a conflict of interest... so many things give reasonable doubt. Unless I'm missing something huge, the guilty verdict was a joke... very open to correction though. Steven does make a good point about the cool aid, although he is clearly obsessed with identity politics to see this doc as a support of BLM ...wtf?
Now I feel like I need to finish this series. I stopped waaayy into the series
I think Steven Crowder's life revolves around politics and social culture too much to the point where he will tie anything he sees on TV into politics. I didn't see any sort of BLM "ties" or timing as to why this documentary came out. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't, but I think it would be good for Steven to not watch TV and see it through the lens of all of this political stuff. Yeah Avery threw a cat into a fire when he was a younger and we've all done stupid shit when we were young. (Well, maybe not that bad, but I'm sure all sorts of people have done shit they later regretted)... but I don't think that means that he's guilty of this mastermind plot to kill the woman photographer and make it the "perfect crime" such that the prosecution just has only a bunch of weak evidence to work with to convict him.
"This is the state abusing its power to go after someone who is likely guilty, but they could *probably do it to someone who's not*..."
Um, so did you watch the first two episodes? THEY DID do it to someone who was not guilty - STEVEN AVERY, with his first conviction!
My biggest reason for doubting his guilt was what was his motivation when he was getting his life back and had a multi million dolla lawsuit he was fixing to win. The cops lives would have been in ruins as well as the city so that's why i think he was innocent... But one other question is where's all the blood. No blood neer the bullet that appeared after the shed was searched thoroughly several times. No blood or dna on his home and the key wasnt there in nov. As well a the officers that was being sued were the ones who found all the evidence that they did have, even tho they were ordered not to investigate. A lot of things don't add up. A hell of a lot. Putting a mentally chalenged kid in interrogation for several hrs. Alone with no gaurdian Several times is against the law and the story was fed to him by the cops and he told them and his mom several times he wasn't involved. He just told them what they wanted to go home. Before brandens verbally fed confession they had not 1 ioda of anything to even charge steven. First mistake both of them made. DO NOT EVER EVER EVER EVER TALK TO COPS ALONE....have an attorney present at all question sessions.
It dosen't matter if he did it or not, he should be released because the police tampered with the evidence , they should release him and the victim's family should sue the police department for not doing their job properly !!! It's not about wether he did it or not, it's about if the prosecutors can prove without a reasonable doubt that he did it, and it's not the case. The only way you could say that he did is that if you've seen him and were present at the crime scene, I'm not saying that he didn't do it ( for any trolls that will try to use this argument against me) , I'm just saying that the police didn't follow the proper procedure .
I saw both seasons, and I think that was about as fair a perspective as I have heard.
The ironic thing is that this guy speaks about certain things as being "Fact" when they are just allegations. For instance the cat situation is a fact it was proven. However his sister accusing him of masturbating in front of her car was NOT a FACT. It was simply an allegation that had no evidence behind it. The whole sexual molestation thing was also just an Allegation and was never proven. Yet you quote it as though it where a FACT.
There's also an issue with the DNA on the hood of Teresa's car. DNA can last for many, many years, and Teresa Halbach had direct contact with Steven Avery many times before this happened. Meaning that his DNA could have gotten there days, months, or even years before the murder ever took place. When it comes down too it, there are too many holes in the case to even say for sure who really killed Teresa. Alot of this so called "Evidence" hinges on the confession from Brendan, however the confession was coerced and thus is not reliable. Thus all the evidence that relies solely on the confession is unreliable.
The only thing left is then for the prosecutor to attack Steven Avery's character. It was quite telling to see how many of the cops involved in the 1985 case still to this day believe that Steven Avery committed that crime, despite the proof he did not. They even interviewed some of the officers who outright stated that despite the DNA evidence that exonerated Avery, they still thought he was guilty of the rape. Hence there was and still is a large bias among the law enforcement in the Steven Avery murder case.
The point being that there are far too many unknown circumstances in this case and thus you can not rightfully speak of Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey as being guilty.
+hothamandfauri good point about the cops still not believing steve´s innocence in that 1985 case
How would his DNA have gotten on her hood latch when they interacted before her murder? She was there to photograph his cars, not have him check hers. He initially denied having seen her that day and then later admitted he had. Why the lie?
Joe Kerr Where is it that u can prove he admitted to jerking off in front of her car? I haven't seen that. He denied it n the claims she made that he was having sex w his wife on their lawn for people to see he denies as well. He doesn't deny that he ran her off the road n having a weapon to scare her. Which was wrong and is a crime!
hothamandfauri this has nothing to do with your argument because I didn't read it cause I started but looked at your face and Jesus Christ you're ugly. I couldn't stop looking at your freakish face lol dude you could have a Hollywood career or a career in the carnival
You brought up some very good points. I have studied this case and watched both series twice and if this man is finally found innocent as I hope he will be then all of these liars should be tried for perjury and jailed for life.
I watched 10 minutes and saw all the appeal to emotion of him hugging his family after getting out of prison and I realized that it wasn't going to be an honest documentary and went back to watching Lie to Me.
You're right, how dare they show an innocent man hugging his family for the first time in 18 years. What emotional peddling!
+sausagemcbean well it is not about "the aftermath of being made a murder" it is "making a murder" so hugging his family has as much to do with it as a picture of me. Why else would you show that other than to humanize him? "Oh how could the poor man have done this thing? Look he hugged so and so!"
Lateusvir's Random House
Did you even watch the series? It wasn't the "aftermath" where he was shown hugging his family, it was before the majority of the series even took place. Those videos were of him after he was released from prison after serving 18 years for a crime he didn't commit and was exonerated of all charges due to new DNA evidence. Shortly after that he was charged with a murder under suspicious circumstances which is where the series picks up. I don't know how you think that's not a relevant part of the story. And maybe the reason they were trying to "humanize" him is because he's a human being. Did you ever consider that?
+TheJudoJoker Too bad you didn't watch the delivery of the verdict. As a Lie To Me fan, you would have appreciated the microexpressions of a totally innocent man.
+Bob Ama Not to mention the microexpressions of every member of the prosecution for the entire series
This is the video that took away all of my respect for Steven Crowder and unveiled to me his true lack of intelligence.
It's one man's opinion, I expected more from this source, and I'm a bit let down by his analytical approach to this one. That being said, it doesn't mean he's unintelligent. Just like his belief in god doesn't make him an idiot.
@@jamesearly8874 but it doesn't, that's just what he believes, tbh there's more evidence proving god than there is disproving god.
Yeah if he gets this so wrong I can’t trust him on other complicated issues
Panzer Plays I’m curious as to what evidence you have?
@@panzerplays5959 Did you just say "don't use those nasty words, you'll make me cry :( I'm just a delicate little religious snowflake, I can't stand to be called names". Erm, yes you did.
Belief in a deity is a sign of weakness. Step into the light that is atheism.
That moment when you haven’t seen it, but you don’t care about spoilers for some things.
I think the victims brother and friend done it
two of the jurors had ties to police.. and if you recall the initial position of the jurors before the alternate was brought in was 3 guilty, 7 innocent, 2 undecided.
evelkidnievel So much for an unbiased trial.
Yeah it’s because he was black right. Try this do the right thing and follow rules, don’t reach for a cops gun them big mike would still be picking on people
Face: Then what idiot or idiots should be able to decide innocence or guilt? By arbitrary do you mean autocratic? How else can criminals be punished? Someone has to decide. Would you prefer anarchy? I really don't give a shit about Avery. I'm just curious about your comment.
@@shutemdwn I'll give you one. The judicial system has never been perfect but lately there has been too much interference from biased media and since no one is sequestered during a trial now there is no way what is said in the jury room stays in the jury room. I have been called to jury many times and am disgusted by the behaviour of some people. They winge about having to be there, they had an appointment with the doctor, they feel sick, they don't like someone's attitude or the way they dress, or just want to go home because someone intimidated them. I have heard people accuse those on trial of looking like they did it.....I kid you not. No one has a civil duty anymore and I would be all for having professional jurors who don't even live in the state where the trial is being heard. As bad as the world is today there are honest retired men and women who would gladly give up their time for better justice. Intelligent, honorable, people with an ideal to make a difference in the world. Not people who haven't a clue what they are there for and don't like the accused anyway. I would rather see truth serum used than some of the jurors I have encountered
@@NeridaWarwick Professional juror's, now that's a good idea.
This is eerie. I am going through your old stuff happen to click this one. Decide to see what was going on with it so I googled this dude and new stuff is starting to go on with this.
News stories written about his nephew in the past 24 hrs.
what does a cat or his family background have to do with a murder ? I hope you are never a juror. This is about justice. Why don't we talk about the 18 years he served for being set up when they knew someone else did it. Right from the Sherif's interview. No motive only $36 reasons.
James Crane
Exactly. The fact that the sheriff's deputies were going to be financially responsible because the insurance company was threatening to drop the department gives them 36 million reasons to commit this crime, imo. Desperate people do desperate things.
www.crimemuseum.org/2014/06/23/9-early-warning-signs-for-serial-killers-2/
If you can throw an animal into a fire you can kill someone.
It's called escalation, serial rapists don't begin with violent rape; it starts with peeping and crossing boundaries. Almost all killers begin hurting animals.
James Crane because killing a cat shows that you have those tendancies.
They never tried to say him throwing the cat in the fire was an accident. I mean at least get your facts right. They did try to play it off like it somehow wasn't a huge deal, but they (and he) never said he did it accidentally.
Avery is heard calling it "another mistake I made".
@@antoniod That's right. "Mistake" not "accident."
The likelihood of his guilt, based on the ACTUAL facts in evidence, seems very thin. Your citation of proof that this was a bad guy is that as a teen and young adult, he did some stupid shit and then was falsely imprisoned. According to an interview of a juror who was released early due to family emergency, a majority of the jury felt Avery was not guilty at the beginning of their deliberations, having heard the entirety of the evidence presented.
2:06 “because he’s an idiot” I laughed out loud for real!!!
The second season actually talks about a lot of the stuff mentionned in the video. I'd love a follow up of your opinion on that.
+StevenCrowder you're better than this. Hand your pitchfork back to Ken Kratz and really think about these "facts" he's sharing.
For example: The argument about the bullet coming from Avery's gun. Do you really think they can perform ballistic fingerprinting on that tiny donut?
It looks more like a bullet which was fired into a scrap lot car for target practice, than a person, doesn't it?
And it's interesting that they weren't able to find any blood in the garage where the bullet was found, even in the cracks of the pavement they dug up.
It's been done Adam. Katherine Zellner proved the bullet was fired through the shed at some time in the past because the residue on the lead had the exact make-up of the bullet that was supposed to have been fired through Teresa's head. For a start they couldn't make a .22 round do that and when they examined both bullets they revealed nothing but crushed wood and red paint. No DNA. It was an old bullet probably fired at some rats or other vermin around the shed.
All the things you claim were 'skimmed over' were in fact mentioned. 'Skimmed over'? What the fuck is that? Is 9 hours not long enough? The guy did 18 years in prison for a rape the cops knew, and was proven, was a fit-up. He was days away from a $36 million settlement against the cops who fitted him up when they stuck the murder on him. The SAME COPS he was suing 'found' the evidence that got the murder conviction. Not the same police department but the same cops - James Lenk, Andrew Colburn and Kenny Peterson. BTW the film makers did mention that Ken Kratz was involved in 'Sexting' and sexually harassing numerous women but they didn't mention that he is a drug addict, which he is in fact. They didn't even 'skim over' it. Yeah sure, what's that got to do with the evidence in the murder case any more than a cat from 23 years previous? How about defense attorney Len Kachinsky? You kinda didn't even 'skim over' his despicable conduct and conspiracy with the prosecution. I don't know how anybody in their right mind could watch this documentary and not see how the man was fitted up TWICE. Unless, that is, you have the misguided idea that defending a few corrupt cops, judges and prosecutors is expected of us as 'conservatives'? It's not. Conservative doesn't mean putting up with shit like this just because we have to protect our system from the stupid leftists or from some emotionally based phobia that order will break down. God bless
#louderwithcrowder are you going to do a follow up for the new makingamurderer part 2?
So the only PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that was left out was sweat that could be explained by him helping her unload or load her camera equipment? oh okay definitely guilty then... but please do go on about the mistakes he made as a TEENAGER before he was taken away from his troubled family for 18 years because of a wrongful conviction. Oh and lets ignore the boyfriend who committed a felony by deleting Theresa's voiceMAIL and the cop who called in the plate before the car was found...But what kind of commentary do you expect from a grown man wearing a School House Rocks T-shirt
It was underneath the hood of Theresa’s personal vehicle. One does not store camera equipment next to their engine.
Vanessa Vestal ya it was on the inside latch cuz he removed the battery.. they left that out. And brandon told them he did that hence why they checked there for dna. They guilty af
Dirk Diggler It’s chilling the amount of evidence they left out of the documentary not to mention disrespectful considering a person lost their life. The documentary should be renamed Making a Monster (Look Innocent).
Vanessa Vestal absolutely mind blowing people can believe they are innocent.. an unfair trial.. maybe. Innocent people in jail... absolutely not..
P.s. Vanessa you're stunning.
Dirk Diggler In this instance, I don’t care if the justice system is corrupt because it put him where he belongs.
Thank you! I love Boogie Nights. Lol.
Why so many dislikes wtf
Yeah...none of that stuff is mentioned because it’s called character evidence, which courts only entertain in very rare instances, because it’s not helpful for determining guilt.
I cant get over the fact that you call their family tree a stump. God I love you man.
The reason the show was one sided is because the trial was one sided. It exposes all the ethical issues with the trial(s) that took place.
Hard to watch a video titled "lies vs truth" when the first few seconds of the video show your bias.
exactly, ffs crowder
Can you do an updated video after watching season 2?
Are you just going to throw away the fact that he did 18 years for a crime he didn’t commit and was supposed to get a huge settlement.. The manitowac county police were not going to let him get away with that and look stupid and also have their reputation completely ruined forever. It was clearly an inside job the facts are all there.
Wow Crowder, you really have a bias against the family don't you. Inbreeding? Seriously. I get why you're bringing out information that wasn't in the special but what the hell was the comment about inbreeding about? And just because you have a relative in Wisconsin doesn't mean you know how everyone in Wisconsin speaks.
***** you're a moron. I wasn't defending incest I was commenting on his disgusting comment about their inbreeding, of which is has no proof. He just doesn't like the Avery family so he attacks them personally? Grow the fuck up you idiot
Ummm.... he's a comedian. He makes jokes.
Tyvan Yee: "he's a comedian. He makes jokes."
*_Schrodinger's Douchebag_* : One who makes douchebag statements, (particularly sexist, racist or otherwise bigoted ones) then decides whether they were “just joking” or dead serious based on whether other people in the group approve or not.
They’re fucking inbred. You don’t breed that type of stupid naturally.
I believe it genuinely wasn’t meant as an insult. Personally, I would have thought it seemed fairly obvious that there has been some inbreeding going on somewhere in that family. They seem _very_ unintelligent. To the point that it’s really no longer a matter of being just beginning less-intelligent-than-average, but enough of a lack in cognitive abilities that it really suggests there’s something behind that. Look at the nephew for example... and I’m the least offensive way possible, their appearances do resemble those of individuals who have a family history of inbreeding somewhere down the line.
I'd love to see the sources on this 'missing evidence' and I don't mean another website/blog where someone else (including Kratz) tells you it's missing. I want to see the court transcripts and the filed evidence that states these claims.
+Broc Seigneurie i´d want to see that too
+Broc Seigneurie There isn't such thing. People who are saying that they found /missing evidence/ are those that don't like avery as a person so are bullshitting to try and convince others that hes guilty
+Broc Seigneurie They are speaking of evidence missing from the documentary, not missing in the sense that it was found after the trial. The fact is that the Trial lasted 6 weeks and the trial portion of the doc lasted about 6 hours. Thus there was no possible way to include every tiny bit of info one way or another. Kratz has said the Non blood evidence was sweat, though the Manitowac county forensic lab was only able to conclude it was not from blood.
I always laugh about the phone and purse contents being found in his burn barrel. The whole court and prosecution pretends that it would be IMPOSSIBLE for someone to plant those items in a burn barrel. You could literally accomplish that IMPOSSIBLE task under the cover of darkness within a few minutes in the middle of the night.
The film was accurate that there is no physical evidence to say that Teresa was ever in Steven Avery's home or killed in his garage. Her blood was found in her car, and on the suspicious bullet.
I have heard speculation that the bullet was a ballistic match to Avery's rifle. First off I can't find the actual paperwork on this evidence and there are reports that the claim is false. This also excuses the fact that it would not be odd for an Avery family member to barrow his gun. This is common practice in rural hunting areas. Especially if you were under 18 and prevented from owning your own. We know from the movie that there were several youths on the property. It has been suggested by Avery that his own brothers are possible suspects. "Borrowing" Steve's gun would be a convenient way of sealing your frame up job from the Avery Brother's perspective.
It also excuses the fact that the police had his gun in their evidence locker for months prior to the bullet being found. I've heard Kratz suggest that it is impossible for investigators to plant the bullet. However in a sheriff's department with only a few individual officers and employees, the evidence lockers are not overly difficult to get access to. I come from a small town in NY and have been in the evidence locker of my local police station 3 times. I was invited in by patrol officers. The locker is open for anyone that has access to the station in my town. Thus it would not be difficult to fathom that the police could have had the opportunity to gather a spent bullet from Avery's gun by borrowing the gun from the evidence locker.
+Broc Seigneurie if you guys want to see the transcripts and a whole bunch of other info on the case here is a nifty link for you.
www.reddit.com/r/makingamurderer
Freedom of information act you can call the DA office or the courthouse and request a transcript or evidence. They will charge you for coping cost though.
Are you going to do one on season 2?
Now since part 2 has come out, are you planning on having another discussion on Making a Murderer?
"Wait for the facts, then make a decision". I think everyone should remember that. Even you, Steven.
I like Steve but I think he needs to watch Season 2
That family tree is a stump hahahaHA
Going to do another video on this topic now that season two has come out?
Can you do a rebuttal now that season 2 is out and Kathleen Zellner became his lawyer
Please do another video on season 2
I saw it and all I got from it was that he didn't get a fair trial.
Never made an assessment of his guilt or innocents for myself because I do not know all the facts. I only know what the media reports and what the documentary wants me to know.
Make a second one covering part 2 of Making a Murder
So your argument is that because he most likely did it then it's not a big deal that the police and courts stomped all over this Americans RIGHTS ! That seems to go against everything that you believe and speak out about on your platform. As someone who has lost my right to defend my wife and child because of a similar situation ( not murder ) but a felony I strongly disagree with ur stance. Cops and courts took advantage of me at 17 and I'm 38yrs of age and still paying for it. You can't have it both ways , Either we have rights ( like a right to competent defence and a fair trial ) or we don't have those rights. We can't just say hey you most likely did this so get over you being railroaded into a cell because the courts and cops are incompetent. Might want to rethink that one Crowder...
I'm sorry that happened to you man. Don't they have something like a clean slate sort of thing for when you're legally an adult in America? So mistakes from teenagers don't haunt them for the rest of their lives?
After reading your post I absolutely agree that stomping over citizens rights isn't a Crowder thing, but how I understand the video, that's not what he did.
The problem with the series is how the makers used everything the police did wrong (which it was) as a foundation to make the guy come of as a likable innocent victim of circumstance, while withholding the info that makes him look bad.
So in short; the cops screwed up. But the filmmakers are using that screwup to let the viewer forget about the dark side of the suspect.
Something like that. I am not American by the way so I might get some things wrong about how the US law works.
@@borisbadenov9863 no information was "withheld", we all saw the trial. He was *presumed* guilty, a clear violation of The United States Constitution. Try reading it some time. @StevenCrowder
@@user-dc3zr5mi5l This was a while ago, don't recall the video contents or commenting on it. I don't know the US constitution, so if you say it's violation, I'll take your word for it. Reading the US Constitution seems like a waste of time for me.
@@borisbadenov9863 I don't know where you live, but here in these United States, the *presumption* is innocence. The burden of proof is always on the prosecution. The defense attorney can simply discredit the evidence, the DA, the Police Department, or even the jury and, per the 14th amendment, the defendant is entitled to a retrial. That's to say that, because Manitowoc PD was involved in the search on Avery's property while there was a pending lawsuit against them, the case should have been thrown out. That's how it's supposed to work. Personally, I would rather live among rapists and murderers than live in a police state where cops act with impunity.