Dodge's 2023 Hornet Is Exactly The Kind Of Crazy We Need | 2023 Hornet GT First Drive
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2024
- Dodge does their best work when they don't try and conform. Case in point: the bonkers hellcat coupes, sedans, and SUVs. Sadly there's no 1,000 horsepower Hellcat Hornet (how epic would that be?) but fear not, they are promising that the standard 268 HP 2.0L turbo engine and 9 speed auto will make this the fastest small crossover in America. Want to go faster? There'll be a PHEV model making 288 ponies soon. Think of this as the exciting answer to the decidedly boring Corolla Cross and HR-V... Does that make you Hornety baby?
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A rhombus has equal length sides! Those are parallelograms. Come on Dodge...
Dodge QC allows for plenty of tolerance in most things.
Do you even know what a rhombus is😂, the logo is literally a rhombus cut inhale, and a rhombus is parallelogram with opposite, equal, acute angles, y’all literally be hatting on dodge for no reason, matter fact, I know why, because they stay dominating the competition🤣
It's either 1 rhombus, or 2 parallelograms. It's most definitely NOT 2 rhombi. They could call it a rhombus logo, but not a rhombi logo.
"Last time we saw a new Dodge model in the US was the Dodge Dart back in 2012 and we know that didn't last very long". What are you trying to tell us Brian? 🤔
A friend of mine had a Dodge Dart that wouldn’t go in reverse. It was one hell of a challenge to maneuver and park the car.
That was the last time anyone that I knew owned a Dodge since most of the cars fell apart and stopped working or burned up. Quality products indeed. 😂
@@Spacedog_42you know when Kia first came out I think the MSRP was $8000. Dodge should do that if they wanna be serious about selling cars. Lol.
"The Dodge Dart sucked and didnt last very long...lets make a Dodge Dart crossover!"
-Dodge
That's 13 years which is an eternity in the automotive world. Lets hope they learned something during that time.
He must be saying that the reliability will suck because it’s a Fix It Again Tony with a Dodge name on it
great looking, just the worry always about problems as it ages.
A Dodge-Alfa mix? Yeah that’s a recipe for longevity lol.
Yeah, just be sure to sell it before it gets too old and problems start to show. I'd recommend somewhere between 50 to 60 miles on the odometer.
I believe that Stellantis will see to it that quality control is of the upmost importance in keeping a brand healthy & desirable!
@@johnbeckham1483 Unfortunately, they have a largely terrible record and I can confirm that since I’ve owned their products. Management and suppliers are largely to blame.
Im surprised at how impressed I am with this thing. Looking forward to see what the R/T does. The market needs more cheap PHEVs with decent performance.
I'm hearing that the PHEV version will top $40k, so it will continue the trend of anythign EV being massively over-priced.
Dodge was well aware of your automotive desires!
@Curt Brackenrich the RT (PHEV) is 53k top lol. It's a joke
@@curtbrackenrich7883 a regular crossover is like 30-35k. Expecting a PHEV to cost the same is unrealistic. Plus there's the tax credit.
Phev will achieve 72 mpg
Alpha Romeo ranks near the bottom of reliability surveys, along with all the Mopar brands. I know someone with a Jeep Renegade, which is a rebadged Fiat 500x, and it's been out of commission for a number of months now, awaiting parts from Italy. Expect the same for the Hornet. This is an easy pass for me.
Thank you Brian! Informative to the point. Good review
You should have shown pictures of Tonale for our comparison
I’m torn. I wouldn’t buy either the Dodge or the Alfa (I’m too worried about long term reliability), but I think I prefer the style of the Alfa overall.
Same here.
Not a good set of genes if you care about reliability and resale. Some folks don't and that's fine.
Good choice but I will take the Dodge version as it is still pricey it would be less expensive than the Alfa Romeo Tonale!
@@johnbeckham1483 So true! I appreciate your value-oriented position!
@@johnbeckham1483 Yes, but the Alfa holds value better, especially as they’ve been VERY reliable for the last 3-4 years.
A comparison of this to a CX-30 or CX-5 Turbo would be an interesting video. I wish Dodge well. Hope it has good reliability.
Poor Chrysler/Dodge/Ram/Jeep has been struggling since Mercedes screwed them over in the 90's
I'll take the CX-30. Dodge makes crap -- always has.
This is an Alfa-Romeo, not a Mercedes, so not really a comparison, but Chrysler was struggling loooooong before Daimler took over. If anything, Daimler created some incredibly reliable models like the Grand Cherokee and Charger/300.
@@afcgeo882 Yup, the 300, Charger and Challenger are based on Mercedes LX platform, and boy they've managed to come this far.
No they haven't been. For the last decade they've been doing great. Unfortunately that's coming to an end since Stellantis thinks Dodge customers like ecoboxes
@@AlexAutos3 , Thanks I'm a happy owner of a 2019 CX-5 Signature and an auto design and industry enthusiast. I'm increased in this new model and hope that they do well and would like to see a comparison of it to the CX-30 Turbo and other similar CUV's. How else can I help you?
The lifted-look with low-profile tires looks off to me. Pick one.
Looks like what half of people with lift kits do to their trucks. So...yes. wrong.
Thank you for *not falling for their marketing* , it's a *sub-compact suv* regardless of what they want to compare it with. Honda HRV as well as other subcompacts are several inches larger with more legroom.
30k starting price before taxes, title, addons, dealer 'market adjustment' etc etc. 35k is more realistic out the door for a base model. Add in the fact Dodge, Jeep and Alfa don't do very well in reliability surveys. Maybe this will be the one without issues, but I doubt it.
I actually prefer the Dodge out of the two. More 'American Muscle' styling. I know it's not a V8, don't come at me for the *design* comparison.
The last time I was in Italy, they upgraded me from a Fiat rental car to an Alfa Romeo MiTo. Not sure if that was really an upgrade or not.... The car sucked around town but out on the highway it ripped good...
The MiTo is the same as a Fiat Punto.
@@afcgeo882 Interesting..... thanks
I am impressed! I would probably consider it just on the exterior and interior styling, the prices and the design, but I still have doubts on Dodge reliability. I hope they get thier acti together and put together quality cars with little problems and longetivity.
You can have high performance or longevity. You can't have both
Car is made in Italy at Alfa Romeo's plant. Stellantis has spent the last two years focusing on reliability at Alfa and it shows in reliability studies.
I have faith in Stellantis!
@@johnbeckham1483 Tavares is a fantastic leader
Hemi super reliable even hellcats HO supercharged great reliability little maintenance cost maybe 300
How many of the engine parts are made out of plastic?
Why does the full LCD gauges in this look way better than the unit in the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer? This one is great. I noticed the tach briefly flashes red when the transmission shifts. 11:34
This is Italian. The Wagoneer isn’t.
Great Review! Believe it or not. I'm considering trading in my 2019 Charger R/T with 65k miles. It's been a great car. The 5.7 Hemi drinks fuel around town as expected. However, on my numerous 400+ mile Road Trips, I averaged anywhere from 25 mpg to 29 mpg thanks to The Cylinder deactivation mode. Yes! You are reading this correctly. With an 18.5 gallon tank, I exceeded 450 miles on 1 tank of gas driving from Orange County, CA to Monterrey, CA
At 64 years old, I might be purchasing one last "New Car!" I ride bicycles and do Photography, Having a sporty UTE, suits me better than a muscle car. I don't know much about the engine and transmission, but I just might consider "Purchasing" some Extended Mileage Warranty Just in Case
Bought one May 15th . It's arrived in Halifax from Italy and being shipped within 2 weeks ! I can't wait !
No way! An actual moving map on the MID? From Dodge? I've been begging for brands other than the German's to offer this. Well done Stellantis!
Yep that’s a feature I really love!
As the owner of an Alfa Romeo Stelvio, i am worried this vehicle will dilute the brand equity as Alfa Romeo tries to move up and grow the brand. For those that are curious, my Stelvio has been reliable with no problems after 3 years of ownership.
Yep, this is an issue for Alfa. Not really a problem for Dodge, but certainly something Alfa is upset about...
I love Alfas, but I'm guessing Stellantis figured they might as well use the platform on a car that can actually sell in enough volume to cover some of the development costs.
Alfa isn’t trying to move up at all. As Fiat is leaving the US, Alfa has no such need.
I understand the staff over at Alfa Romeo (both in Italy and stateside) were pretty upset when Stellantis dropped that bomb on them. The reason Stellantis elected to do this apparently is for CAFE (Corporate Average Fleet Economy) standards set by the federal government in the states. Dodge's fleet needed a more frugal car to offset the their less fuel-efficient offerings. Alfa in the United States will surely loose some potential customers to Dodge, which is a shame. I personally prefer the styling of the Alfa, hands down (the Hornet is nice though), but if Alfa charges much of a premium for their Tonale over the Hornet, you'd have to be pretty hard-core Alfisti to be swayed.
Fiat is hanging on by a thread stateside, though it was recently announced that Fiat will be selling the all electric version of their new 500 city car over here. No idea how that's going to work out, and a lot could happen between now and January, 2024 (the announced projected launch date). I'd hate to see Fiat leave, as I have two of them, and as in the case with you, Tony, they've been solid, reliable vehicles (2014 500L with 90K miles, owned since new, and virtually zero problems (PCV valve seal allowed a drop of oil occasionally on the exhaust manifold, a new seal fixed it for about $40), tight as a drum still, drives as new, looks, nearly new, just an excellent car for us. Same with our 500X (2017 model year), no problems at all, doesn't burn any oil, fairly fuel efficient. Really love the 1.4 liter turbo in the 500L best though.
@@bellaguzzigriso6350 I also had a 500L and loved it. Had to trade for something bigger, but it was such a fun car. It's great that they're bringing the new 500e to the USA, but I'm wondering where they are planning to sell them, since most Fiat dealers have shut down or divested to other brands. FWIW the original 500e was hugely popular in Southern California, I used to see multiple on the road per day (now down to maybe once per week).
Love the backdrop you had for filming.....
Asheville! I was trying to figure out why it looked so familiar, it’s around 10 minutes from where I live
Bought one! GT AWD, every option available! Sunroof, full spare tier , ac red leather seats/ warming seats all sude interior. This is one bad ass car that Moves! It's fast! About LOVE THIS sporty SUV..I BOUGHT the Gray/ Blue color Red interior with black...🔥
Very nice I picked out 8 ball black GT plus, absolutely loving it!
Very good review. 1:31
This is an overall well designed entry for Dodge, but Stellantis is really going to have to up it's badge engineering game or they'll just end up like 00's Ford and GM. The Tonale and this are far too similar for anyone to really care outside of which badge is on the car.
I once had a 2005 Taurus that had the same mileage estimates.
I’m not one in the “to hell with electrification” crowd, but was expecting Dodge to at least bring something new to market that appealed to its current consumers to retain brand loyalty. Just my opinion, but it seems they didn’t try to keep any of that, so to me, the Hornet looks like a modernized Dodge Caliber in some ways - rental spec really. Hopefully they’ll produce some other models in the near future that exude some type of “exciting” appeal.
I like this car! Great review as well! :-)
So are reviewers trying to make the hornet sea more upscale by constantly referring to it as being based on the Alfa Romeo Tonale? Because both the hornet and the Tonale are based off the Jeep Compass/Renegade platform so I'm confused here why not say that it's based off the Jeep?
Can a 6’5” be accommodated in the driver’s seat?
Have a beautiful Wednesday Everyone ✌️
Maybe it's just the camera but that gold looks a little more yelllow but I like it!
If they can warranty this at my local dodge garage, I don't care if it looks like an alfa or not. The nearest alfa romeo dealership is 100 miles from me and the dodge dealer is about a mile, basically walking distance. Heck yes, I'm liking this new dodge.
I thought you were now in the Detroit area, yet the map shows Asheville, NC...in an artsy district.
LOL...Used to live there, never really liked the place....no lakes or oceans nearby, just waterfalls.
I say give it a couple of years to see if it's going to be reliable. At some point the players at Stellantis are going to have to prove that they can compete for quality with their peers. I can overlook a few performance and styling fails if it's reliable for the long term. The jury is still out here and with the frenzy of offerings in this segment (and the anticipated pricing) they can't afford to release another turd to the market. We'll see soon enough if their promised quality efforts are real or just hype.
i concur!
Alfa/Fiat build small cars very well. They suck at the performance end.
This is an amazing car to replace the Dodge Journey, it reminds me of the Dodge Nitro, but more modern looking if the Dodge Nitro was continued.
They need to work on keeping the price lower on it and hope it doesn’t follow in the footsteps of the Dart and Caliber. Backseat could use more legroom. It feels more subcompact.
A sporty pt cruiser.... nice 😅
Looks like my 2022 Buick Envision Preferred with ST package honestly.
Nice for someone who needs a use and throw car.
Dodge/Jeep/Ram design very nice cars. Now if only the engineers designed reliable cars, they’d be set.
This is a rebadged Alfa. Dodge essentially had nothing to do with this.
@@sleeksilver oh great! Not sure who makes more beautiful pieces of garbage.
@@davidcamacho3513 You obviously know nothing about the current Alfas.
@@rlsedition You’re a legend in your own mind.
@@davidcamacho3513 So why do you bother to comment here, when all you can do is speak negatively?
OK, who's going to be brave enough to be the first one to actually buy one of these things?
Someone that is stupid?!
Sold out predate soooo😂
We’ll done! I prefer the Dodge over the Alfa, but likely too small for what I’d likely buy next.
Personally I prefer the styling of the Alfa but this is also very nice.
I like what I see in this Dodge.
When Chrysler merged with AMC they acquired the trademark Hornet. Am glad the name was revived.
This is a dodge caliber SRT-4 replacement. I had to get rid of mind because water keeps getting in the car because of how the sunroof was installed.
Car looks great!
the hornet is interesting vehicle... I think I would like it more once I know how reliable it is.
Beautiful 😍
@*3:42
*Ah, the hive mind*
I knew it.
Where's Alex?
I (Alex) was filming the Nissan Ariya in California while Brian was filming this in North Carolina🤣
Dignity better with the wheel arches and the fender flares like the charger and the Challenger when you add that wide body kit and you know that would have been something nice to see
I will wait to see how reliable they turn out to be or.. not!! Otherwise I like it..the price seems o.k
GLH?
Love it totally
That is not Alex
Good video! Please let us know what size shoe you wear for better footwell visualization. I reckon Brian probably has size 8 or 8.5 shoes on (US).
I don't hate it. I'll take it over any comparable thing from Kia, Hyundai, Toyota, etc.
Looks like a Porsche Maccan from the back, which is not a bad thing.
Nice virtual cockpit
Front end is more like Dodge Avenger (90’s coupe) 4.0
Can't help but see a revived Dodge Caliber. *shudder*
Wow! They had to dredge up an old AMC name. When does the Dodge Pacer come out??
that just looks like a hard working honeybee
Brian! 😍
Why is it so hard for people to pronounce Harman/Kardon correctly?!?
"dodge says this will compete with hot hatches such as a mini cooper JCW. the one thing this as that those don't is ground clearance"
so it has the one thing the is the key difference between a hot hatch a sub compact crossover but yet still competes with them? does a dodge ram compete with a ford maverick because they both have a bed despite being completely different vehicle classes with different uses? sure maybe people will step into a hornet instead of a mini cooper but please don't kid yourself that that buyer is getting this because it has equal sporting prowess in a more practical size. They go on to say that its the fastest suv under 30k?? is it the slowest hot hatch under 30k so they had to compare to the actual competitors??
do the Rear seats fold Flat " let me know what you think down below..
Up here in Canada the base model before taxes is $40,000 and for the top spec one before taxes is $50,000. Overpriced for lack of size, content, build quality, etc, etc. I would take anything over this for the same price and get more usable space, reliability, etc.
The hornet doesn't feel like a shunken Durango SRT. Ok...were we expecting it to? The question I'd expect any car person to ask: does it feel like a shrunken down Stelvio (not an bad thing)?
Alpha front end for the win..
I’m sorry, but it took them this long to come out with a new vehicle and this is how bland and understyled it looks??
Have you seen literally any other car in this segment? If this is considered bland, then the others are the equivalent of powered mayonnaise.
@@Johnny_Socko I would say the CX-30 at least has a bit of character, but you’re not wrong. However, I think it’s fair for us as consumers to want an effort from automakers.
Like it!!!
Will I be able to leave on the splitter shipping guards in true Dodge street cred fashion?
I like it!
Prefer the look of the the Hornet over the Tonale. Just not a fan of the Alfa Romeo grille.
Good that Dodge finally has a new vehicle but sad to see Alfa get the short end of the stick here. Just no reason to get the much more expensive Alfa...
The alfa is cheaper. 45k
I 'm sorry the Alfa version is hybrid only. I like the design of the Alfa better but am disappointed it is hybrid only.
Owners of this new Hornet GT can look forward to the same historic reliability Alpha has proven over the years.
Well I don't want the wheels and rims, They add a humongous price to it. I want the standard wheel and tire. The ones that are more affordable and will not ruin the rim if you hit a pot hole and the tires are MUCH cheaper than those smaller tires with much less rubber.
You’ve gotta be kidding. Coming to the end of the line.
Only Dodge can release an all new Dodge and have it be an Alfa which in itself was a Jeep.. Front end looks very awkward, but the rear end looks great. Not a fan of that ZF 9 speed auto at all. My only real concern about this product
I dont care for the shape of the glass of the rear door and the front end seems extremely bland. But i like the concept behind the car.
Expected Reliability?
Dude if dodge just wood have made a straight up wagon like there old Magnum wagon maybe with the Stelvio engine ooooohhh sold!🧠🤯🔫
21mpg city with a 2.0L engine?
Non hybird SUVs all have bad fuel economy. Especially this one is boosted.
@@MSZsama Yeah but getting 22mpg in a Ford Explorer with a 2.3L and this only gets one less in this kinda baffles me.
Well I will not be trading my Challenger for this, I'll say that much. I feel like this will have the same reputation as the Journey or Compass given a few years.
Track pack + ground clearance... 😑
A turbo i4 getting low 20mpg is rather sad
No regular hybrid, so no sale for me
Chrysler cars after a few years in production are usually advertised at $6-8k below sticker. Yes I would by a base one at $22k in 2028.
This is based on nothing. The pacifica is far more expensive now than it was when introduced. I bought a 2018 Charger Scat Pack in 2017 for 40k, it's now 60k. Same story for the 2020 Challenger Scat i bought. This is beyond overpriced so I'd imagine they'll discount it (RT should be 42k MAX). I'm pretty sure dodge thought they'd be able to convince nazi Joe to give them the tax credit which is why they priced it so stupidly. People won't touch this at 53k but at 45k... maybe.
- would be something if- 6months later Dodge figure a way to stuff a 392 in that 🤣
If you are a drive over 6 ft tall the back seat will quickly become unusable.
👍👍👍
One it is NOT a Dodge. It is 100% Fiat. Which means like the rest of the Fiats brought into America (from 1980 on) it will fail. Like the 500 / 500L / Dart / Renegade.
Looks great. On a lift.
It looks a taller Honda Civic
How tall are you Brian? Always reference your height when giving rear seat leg room comfort when front seat adjusted to your liking. Thanks
He mentioned early in the vid: 5’9”
Dang, who's taggin' all the rocks in NC. Yuck.
This is dodge dart 2.0
Feast your eyes on the new Alfa Romeo Hornet. Not the only jeep product built by Alfa Romeo. All ready know of a couple Renegades at a Dodge, Jeep, Ram dealership they can’t repair. Not able to get parts thru Stellantis. Dealer is being threatened with lawsuits. So sad to see the poor quality offered. This is a vehicle being sold with a 1.3 liter turbocharged motor. Pushed so hard it will not last
Geez they're all starting to look the same just getting slightly more compact. F these suvs
I predict a lot of issues with this vehicle