Macbook Pro 16 - 2 years later, my thoughts.
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2020
- Let's talk about my experiences over the last year that I've been using the Apple Macbook Pro 16 inch laptop. It's a stunning notebook, but is it worth the money? Is it better than the competitors out there?
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Video quality is insane for the sub count. Keep it up! Keep making unique videos and there's no way you won't be huge
Thanks Brandon! Definitely hope so, appreciate the kind words my man.
Absolutely I like this video. Subscribed
loving mine
Great video production btw, i already have a high specced MBP 16" for nearly a year, and you did really point out everything from the good things to the worst (honestly i played COD modern warfare with 110 fps medium\high settings, coz why not hehe), here you have a new subscriber , keep going, you should put a counter for how many times you opened\ closed the screen lmao
did you play with a external egpu? I have the mbp 16 5600 and I can play on modern warfare on average 100 fps but on low resolution...
@@EDIBre no i just played with my 5500m, but i disabled a lot of unnecessary textures, actually there’s a youtube video that helped me achieve high fps, with the 5600m you can get 150+ im sure, i bought my mac before they announced the 5600m and i was disappointed when i saw that it had hbm2
The apple silicon is going to be extraordinary
may be they might have software compatibility
but still I love apple
Will there be a 16”?
@@liv2.9 it will most likely be out in March, which is a hella long time
Do you think Apple release a ten gen intel on the 16inch this year?
Only issue I have, there are several apps like gotomeeting which make the Mac very hot. The cpu temp is fine, but it gets hot to the touch and I’m not sure if I should get it serviced or it’s supposed to act like that
Nice one..i love it, my dream is to have one
Love this machine
Have a 2017 MacBook Pro with the butterfly keyboard, never had a single issue and actually got used to it pretty fast. Anyway, great video :-)
i have 2017 too and everything works well. i dunno when people complain about having their keyboard broke, did they type with a hammer? lol
i absolutely adore ur background
And I absolutely adore this comment.
i’m about to get one tomorrow with the Pro Apps Bundle for Education just getting the core i7
for 2200$ can’t wait
@@8kw7mx9 i’m Extremely grateful i said it like that because normally on apple it’s around 2400$ sorry about that
Out of curiosity Mark, what do you do for work?
you got yourself a sub.
How is the space grey color holding up? Some have said it scratches unlike silver. Is that true?
Good video, question:if the latest iMac 27 and the MBK 16 were both desk tops which one would you get based on their specs and the future of ARM. I understand laptops are the only option to pack and go but I'm mainly working with my own art which has been digitized and some very basic audio recordings, I don't game. I would get the top option from iMac but up until all this overheating chatter with external screen etc I was leaning towards the MBK 16 entry level......
If they were both desktops, I'd get the iMac because of its crispy 5k screen and capability to be more maximized specs-wise. That being said, the portability is game changing for me, so I can't think of one simply as a desktop.
came here for a laptop vid but the coffee table and shelving unit next to couch caught my eye. Where are they from? thanks
Hah they are west elm pieces (industrial collection coffee table and shelf)
@@MarkKwak ur vid us great what camera do you use?
Thanks for this informative upload. Apart from the price (I would rather game on a playstation, if I were so inclined), they could instantly improve this laptop by replacing the terrible camera, bringing back at least the SD card slot and for me, also an USB-A port. I am also not a fan of the touchbar. Apple is really unique in some ways, removing or retrogressing on a lot of the previous features, then slowly re-introducing them as highly celebrated 'improvements' (i.e. 'magic' keyboard, mechanical escape key, etc.) Do you think that MBP enthusiasts would complain if at least some of these legacy ports would be bought back, especially the SD card slot? As Steve Jobs once said "Ask customers what they want and then work your way back", opposed has happened since his untimely passing. Regarding your editing. I would have preferred less jump-cuts and omitting that female wailing soundtrack. Thumb up, of course.
Super thorough. I wholeheartedly agree on the 720p webcam - spoiled after using the Surface Book 2 which has an awesome 1080p camera. I'd be down for an SD card slot, but for keeping it as thin as possible, I could see them passing on the USB-A
What specs did you get?
There is a software bug on atleast the 16” 2020 models, when you plug in an external display the amd gpu ramps up in watts and produces atleast 10c of extra heat for no reason, and because the cpu and gpu shares the same heatsink the heat becomes a global increase, BUT! If you put the laptop in clamshell mode the watt decreases 😑
That's an issue with the 5500m GPU (if that's what you have). This isn't an issue with the 5600m GPU from what I've read, I have the 5600m GPU and I'm not having this issue at all. I also use TG Pro to control my fan speeds based on temps. Doing basic stuff like surfing the web, watching RUclips or Netflix and my CPU never gets above 42C and my GPU's never go over 45C.
See maxtech video about it, him have resolved the problem with a 5$ adapter 🤯
@@enricocolombo can you link me that video please?
@@bloodlustuponme
I think is this:
ruclips.net/video/EkmdHVfk4XE/видео.html
But I’m not sure, I remember that there was a video showing a sort “splitter hdmi” so the MacBook will recognize 2 monitors and work better cause a better management of heat than whit one
If you use external monitors, my gosh does the gpu not handle it(unless you have the 5600M), which is honestly, potentially an engineering problem, which is why the 5600M was released later and doesn't have the issues
I love my 16 inch MacBook Pro as well. I upgraded from a 2011 MacBook Pro and MAN I feel like I got a new lease on life. I also invested in an Apple Watch and a newer iPhone plus Airpods. I am now in Apple heaven. The only reason that I didn't purchase a new iPad is because the one I have is only a year old lol
Apple definitely hooks us... damn their products.
Hey Mark. I'm planning to buy MBP in mid November. But I don't know which one to buy? MBP 2020 13" 2.0Ghz or MBP 2019 16" i7? I wanna wait for MBP silicon but in my country seems like only avail next year.
Just my opinion, but if you need the power, going with the 16" i7 would be the way to go, since the 13" will likely get the Apple Silicon update first and it will be a while before the 16" gets any. That being said if you don't need the power - it may be worth waiting to see what Apple unveils in Nov.
I'm so torn between this and the XPS 17. Definitely leaning XPS since it has a much better bang for your buck. Also because of casual gaming. Probably best to get the XPS and wait to see how Apple Silicon changes the game for Apple. I'm not one to get the first generation of any major changes like that. Honestly these two laptops are making me lose my mind because I can't choose haha.
I definitely had my share of XPS vs MBP debates myself. Ultimately it's about whether you can move over fully to the MacOS ecosystem. I think that's going to be the main driver. XPS is a fine machine though...
great video! I ended up getting an iMac 27" over the MacBook Pro 16" because I just sit at home these days, if we ever get to travel again I may have to pick one up!
iMacs are also quite legit - that display.....
@@MarkKwak yeah they're neat. good luck with your channel! keep up the hard work
Subscribed to know about MacBook Pro 16”. Am 808 subscriber.
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I love my 16". Definitely worth the investment in the long run!
Likewise, I'm a fan!
@@yznmo6441 lol not at all. specced out mbp 16" with the 2020 parts will be perfect for atleast 4 years. Which is great considering you have the last of the intel (so the best of a generation) and you skip the worst of the sillicone era.
Just one month later the base low entry level m1 outperformance the 16inch. Hilarious!
@@Japhu lol it doesn't even come close
To my fully specced one atleast
Most buyers should strongly, and I mean *strongly* consider the 5600M GPU with the 16-inch MacBook Pro.
Other than being 2060 equivalent and no power loss with battery, why?
@@Ifalvarado The 5300/5500M are not efficient and they do not play well with most external displays in most configurations except for select single displays in clamshell mode. They have a large power draw at idle (18-20 watts with most external displays), much higher draw under load, and an accompanying level of waste heat that is potentially annoying due to fan noise. More problematic is that this total increase in heat does result in more (and sometimes significant) CPU throttling. Finally, in the most extreme cases, what such elevated heat means to the system's longevity is unclear, but we do know that heat is the enemy of these systems. The 5600M's design and use of highly-efficient HBM greatly reduces this power draw and waste heat, and accompanying overall temps are lower (and overall performance, including CPU performance, is higher.)
If you never use externals and you rarely use the discrete graphics, it's not as much of a concern. But if you do either, the 5600M is a very, very, very worthwhile upgrade in my personal opinion. There are many 5300/5500M owners (predominantly those who at least sometimes use external displays and/or those with graphics-intensive workloads) who wish they had the option of or had chosen the 5600M (the 5600M was added as an option to the 16-inch MacBook Pro about 6-months after the 16-inch's initial release.)
@@npaul4171 I have the 5600m GPU and it's a beast, it is so power efficient and powerful that it's crazy. Glad I waited on buying the MBP 16 until this option came out, now I can hold onto this beautiful laptop for the next 3-4 years and let Apple's Silicon mature before I make the jump to the next refresh.
it really doesn't just work so well or so beautifully, though. when i got my 16" i had to download and redownload the 12gb big sur update about 5 times. it's a widely reported problem. one of the most common error messages is because the package identifier doesn't have permissions to install. yes, an OS update from apple, being installed on an apple laptop, fails due to an unrecognised package signature. good video, otherwise. i just feel the reputation apple has for being easy to use, 'it just works', is really several generations out-of-date.
I have the base 2016 MacBook Pro and it can game quite well if you dual boot windows. It’s not Razer good by any means but quite a few games are playable
I've considered this, but heard that many games have issues - what games do you play that work okay on the MBP?
Mark Kwak I’ve played Counter strike and Left 4 Dead on mine. They both run well if you change the screen resolution to 1920x1080
@@Sam1628 but definitely can't enjoy playing at full screen for some games which sucks.
Kuzzy Smith what games have you had issues with?
My 16” MBP already had the Touch Bar board and entire logic board replaced already by Apple 🤦🏽♂️
what was the issue? why did the component fail? I'm generally curious.
@@rayrayrun I was having a “panic medic boot” it just kept rebooting. It would start up, I’d move the cursor for a second... fans blew loud and it reset. Got it sent back, Apple never said what the issue for them, just listed the parts they replaced
Watching this on my 16inch Macbook pro! This is by far the best computer I ever owned. It breezes through everything I throw at it. Best investment for the future.
What irony just one month later the low end m1 are performing almost better than the 16'''
You dont find it gets got or loud for no reason?
@@maxisenberg9093 Only when Im doing heavier tasks, but it doesn't get crazy hot or loud.
@@arielchris219 mine isn't hot but it gets pretty warm even from web browsing. My 2017 MacBook always stayed cool and only rand hot from.lgoto exporting. Makes me worrkes this won't handle abobe well
@@maxisenberg9093 Same if Im exporting music the fans do kick on and gets warm.
The pricing delta for upgrades (especially RAM) is the part that hurts most.
Much easier to do development work on a MacBook though versus windows and if you wanna do iOS or MacOS apps, it is the only option.
Good news is 16gb still seems to hold its own for most tasks in 2020
@@MarkKwak Yes it does, I should be okay for at least the next two years for the dev work I do currently and even going forward, I got the 16' i9 'base model' for $2400 yesterday from amazon on sale, for that price versus configuring it with 32gb, not worth the little bit of possible future proofing. Cheaper to sell it in a few years and buy an updated one that will likely come with 32gb
I am buying it even after 1 year and I am also a bit broke. I need this gold standard of laptop.
Don't buy it if you're going to go in debt good sir!
I'll come back exactly after a year to this comment to see how much your channel grew :)
and just a suggestion- Background music- tone it down just a bit more. It is subtle but very noticeable, for me at least
Hah, great advice, and thanks for the faith in the channel sir!
Shit I didn't actually pay attention to the sub count until your comment. I was stunned!! This is the type of quality I'd expect from those huge RUclipsrs. I'm so shocked!!
Sub count on Nov-2020: 892
Sub count on 13th Feb 2021: 1.41k ☺️
Sub count: 2.2k as of 11th, July 2021.
Nice review! Just thought I'd share my own experiences. I have mainly used a macbook for the past 7+ years, but I also do use windows from time to time (via bootcamp). I have heard many people say that "it just works" with macbooks and macos. However, I think that statement overlooks a lot of the downsides and problems that these machines have. While yes they do indeed work if you use them for basic things like content consumption and basic word processing, I have noticed that if you do anything else, macbooks run into a lot of problems. 3rd party applications run poorly on macos, even something as simple as google chrome is super inefficient on macos as compared to windows, it makes the fans go off and destroys the battery life, safari is not a good alternative as it is pretty slow (looks like apple has been neglecting it for some time). Secondly, the thermal design is absolutely aweful, quite possibly among the worst I've seen in any laptop, and this is not just a problem with the old macbooks, the new ones are just as bad if not worse. There is something seriously wrong with the product if it hits 70 degrees when you slightly push the machine, if you use it in clamshell mode, be prepared to see constant temps above 80 degrees. Thirdly, app support is lacking, there are a lot of apps that are not made on macos or are made very poorly on macos and require you to use bootcamp, that just something annoying to deal with on a constant basis. Based on my experiences, I plan to switch to a windows machine for my next laptop, while overall the macbook is decent, I just think that its not meant for someone like myself.
What a detailed comment, thanks so much for the thoughtfulness. The thermals may be hit or miss based on apps and services running as I haven't dealt with these levels of thermals on a normal basis myself. I don't doubt your experience whatsoever - your data point is a good one.
I have overheating problem
Is this the base model you have?
Yes, this is the base model though I did upgrade the ram to 32GB for my workflows.
Surprised you said nothing about the excessive heat and fan noise
Loved your review! Really genuine. I’ve been a PC guy since forever. I’m thinking of switching to MACOS for the first time. I wanna buy a MacBook Pro 16. Do you think it’s easy to adapt?
And I intend to buy a PC laptop for gaming in the future, I want to still have a windows PC.
Loved the video!
Thanks man! Definitely easier to adapt than going the opposite direction I'd say. Having both is awesome though, if you can swing it.
MacOS is actually very light and easy to get around when compared to Windows
I went with the 2020 iMac over the 16 incher brotha, never looked back.
Although I do miss having 4 thunderbolt 3 ports
Haha, if I could put that iMac in my bag and go, I'd take the iMac with that beautiful 5k display all day err day
People always say that Apple doesn't innovate anymore but I would argue that they innovate differently than others, especially these days. Sure, they're not known for coming out with the most unique or crazy form factors of computing devices. Leave that to Microsoft and Samsung for sure, but what Apple has created is one of the most hardware/software efficient phones on the market and are the leaders when it comes to tablet computers with their iPads. They have been apart of the SOC race for a while now with their chip sets in their devices and now will be bringing that innovation to their Mac line up. While Microsoft and Samsung have been innovating as far as nifty/trendy hardware, Apple has been innovating with their own custom silicon that powers their computers. Something you can't say about many other mainstream computer and smartphone manufactures who depend on third party all-in-one solutions that don't always match up well hardware wise.
Really good points - very excited to see how these Apple silicon laptops perform in the next few months / yrs.
Mark Kwak I agree. Their goal is better battery life and better performance and no doubt that’s going to come with other bells and whistles down the line.
@@MarkKwak Me too. It's getting hard to wait
Do you recommend buying macbook pro 16 inch now? I think 2019 MB16 with 5600m graphic card is nearly perfect laptop.
Absolutely! Why wait?
I’m hearing some awesome things about the m1 but honestly have no idea when the 16 inch will adopt it. It’s still one of my most used items though so I do love it as is
Here is my biggest issue with my 16in. USB C is only rated to pass through 100w of power. When you start doing anything on this machine that puts it through it paces like video editing, the fans speed up so high to cool the CPU it pulls 125w of power. You are already at a power loss and then add in Apple only supplies a 96w charger and you drain power even while plugged in.
I’ve had multiple times when I can continuously use my laptop without having to stop and let it charge a bit without apps open.
This is a huge design flaw by Apple and should be a class action lawsuit.
You were very lucky. Overheating, crashes, not supporting many files formats and even impossible to do mixed backup. So no MacBook for me.
Yikes, hopefully your experience next time is better.
i thought this video was from a channel with over 100k subs 😳
Hah maybe one day... fingers crossed!
Can someone tell me if this macbook has a long battery life for example watching movies or listening to music in Spotify?
Certainly does - though I suppose it depends what your definition of "long battery life" is. Definitely satisfactory enough for me.
@@MarkKwak I'm using a macbook air 13 inch right now and the battery does last about 2 3 hours for me. What I mean is does this mac has a better battery life comparing to mac 13?
I have a MBP 16 (base model) and now I wish I can return it. It has very serious thermal issues. The computer would frequently freeze due to overheating, sometimes even right after it boots up with no apps running in the background. The CPU load would go up to a 100% easily because of overheating, and the fans would run at full speed. In fact a lot of times it is even underperforming my 13" macbook pro. I did some research online and realized that this is actually a very common issue among all macbook pro 16 users. I know some people really love this macbook pro but I just want to tell people my experience so they know the risks before deciding to buy it.
I have not dealt with any thermal issues even when performing some pretty demanding tasks but this is a good data point - it seems YMMV. If you're under the 1 yr warranty, I highly suggest taking it to Apple - their Applecare is pretty fantastic.
@@MarkKwak Thank you for the tip!
I had a similar experience with my 16”. I called support and we did some reconfigurations and now mine runs quietly and much cooler. I am very happy with my MacBook Pro 16.
@@bobdavis9666 how did they go about reconfiguring? did you have to go the apple store?
@@rayrayrun I called Apple support and spent about an hour with a MacBook specialist. They had me go through an arduous process but they had down to a step by step series and when we finished my MacBook 16” now runs much quieter without the fans running on full speed. The bezel is still warm but not as hot as it was before. I hope that helps. Bob
this worth more views
Thanks!
The man here speaks the truth, this is why I love my MBP 16 that's fully spec'd out (i9 2.4ghz, 64GB of RAM, 5600m GPU). Oh let's not get started with the fact that you get FULL PERFORMANCE on the go unplugged, that'll NEVER happen with a Windows laptops.
very true!
Don't forget coders also like Macs.
It was released in November last year! You released this video a month ago! Its not been a year!
Keyboard backlight bleed looks crappy as its not consistent on all keys, for a $3000 laptop, it should look better, but still love it,
It would be pretty hard, if not impossible to make it better tbh
@@AntJoseph_ My old HP laptop had a backlit keyboard, with uniform light bleed, it looked much better! So it can be done (especially when I paid $3500)
Nikon DaDon well, I barely ever use the backlight but when I use it I don’t find it horrible. I’ve seen worse, way worse. Of course it’s not butterfly good but still
Apple Fanboy? Really...? COUNT........ME............IN.
But we have a very good reason for that. and Yes, Good job with the video mate :)
Mistake, 2019 16” also have magic keyboard!
Not every apple device “just works”. A lot of them have a lot of bugs and the MacBooks with the butterfly keyboards made my life hell for a couple of years. They do make good things, but not everything they make is good. I especially love the iPad pros. Been a fan since they came out and I don’t see myself ever getting a different tablet. Even if it is the most fragile device I have ever bought.
If MBP is so great why is there a class-action lawsuit over its Retina display?
If MBP is so great where is the touchscreen, pen support, 1080p webcam, etc.?
It's 2020, not 2010...lol
Ill agree with you on the webcam and the lawsuit. flex gate is something that should have been resolved the minute they knew there was a recurring problem with it and the webcam is just laughable but the thing is webcams are pretty shit across the board for all laptops except for the surface line of laptops where theyre absolutely steller. My girlfriend recently bought a roughly $1500 laptop from asus and her laptops webcam is dog shit and her microphone too.
With the touch screen not everyone wants a touchscreen laptop. Its not nice to use nor is it convenient. Ive had windows laptops with touch screens and i always disable the touch in device manager. Its not super practical unless you have one of those laptops with a folding hinge and with the stylus its the same issue. Using a stylus on a laptop without a 360 hinge is not worth it and is shit to use.
I feel as though apple get a lot of shit for their reliability and next to none gets thrown at razer which would be their windows equiv, razer has god awful support that will take forever to fix your device if they even allow you to get it fixed by them and chances are its going to come back unfixed or with another issue. There are countless horror stories from that company yet no one says anything about them even though they charge the same for their top end laptops.
Apple arent great but they do provide quality items and a great experience and especially in recent years they seem to have turned a new leaf and fixing their shit.
@@zednik8956 Apple laptops and Desktop enjoy only 8% market share, so people do seem to care about features. Also, why is it that fanboys brag about iPhones latest features but ignore MBs and iMACs lack of standard features...smh
Pro with stadia
Definitely an option
Idk I've only had this a few days and already see a lot of problems
- it gets uncomfortably warm even from basic tasks like web browsing, specifically RUclips. I primarily use Chrome and was told for whatever reason this model just can't handle it. But even safari does it.
- because it gets hot fast the fans gets LOUD fast
- battery life doesn't get even close to the supposed 11h battery.
- when connected to another monitor the cursor lags about every 10 or so seconds
Never had these problems on my 2017 15'. And I could use play station remote play and dolphin emulation
Seriously debating switching to the 13 m1
Great video mate. I just got mine and I love it! I also made a video about it. Check it out on my channel 😊
I’ll have to stop you and ask you to go back and use a 2015. You’ll see that the trackpad was far more manageable. The new giant track pad, which I use all day at work, is way way too big. Bigger isn’t better.
Look up ‘Apple Fan-Boy’ in the encyclopaedia and you get this guy 🤣 at least he admits from the start 👍🏽
Apple is overrated
Lol you cant afford it...pity you “android” user
@@arnavporwal7377 you taking to someone that owns a macbook pro 2020, and that about to only thing i use from apple only because i dj, other than that, iv owned iphones in the past and used andriod sometime had both at the same time and i prefer andriod for the features and tech, too bad apple fanboys like u get so but hurt when people so anything negative about apple, like apple pays u on something awww, and i still stand by my statement Apple is overated hate me now🤣😂
@@youngflyfella Brother it’s not overrated...they make better phone that android or some shit. Android is like me playing in 950 ping 😂😂😂
@@arnavporwal7377 when im talking about andriod phones im speaking about the Samsung S21 and Fold thosr phones are far beyond iphones functionality and features, dont you think?
@@youngflyfella apple is trillions Samsung 🧐🧐🧐
Not really a review.
too much bla-bla-bla ( dislike!
Sorry, I'm definitely a talker.