You say that but all the companies that picked up a clone of the g19 showed Glock what they could have built instead of going the way of apple with a slightly rounded corner and no actual innovation. IMO Glock is a one trick pony that has gotten very old in a race full of mustangs.
@tray22 That pony has been selling circles around all those "mustangs" since right around 1990......... The reason Glock doesn't constantly mess with the designs of their products is because they work 100% reliability just the way they are. That is, of course, unless your feeble wrists are causing a malfunction. I'm not your typical Glock fan boy, but I own a couple, just like I own a couple of just about every brand, and the only other Gun Manufacturer that I trust with my life on a daily basis is Grand Power.
@@HarbingerOfDeath10-67 I own one as well but I prefer my M&P 9C over a glock. The trigger was better out of the box, had better sights, and the grip just fit my hand perfectly.
@tray22 You see, all those aftermarket parts that people buy and replace on their Glocks, might make em look cool, make em lighter, and dress up the trigger pull, but they also cause them to be less reliable. I don't know about you, but if I get even 1 malfunction out of each 100 rounds I put through a pistol, that is not a pistol that I'll be carrying when I leave my house.
@@tray22 Good pistols, but S&W had a lot of duds before they made that one. I have the same one, and I carry it around the house. I actually carry my Gen 4 G26 if I'm going for a small pistol.
@@How_Lay Good to know. The P17 is the only model of Kel-Tec's I have experience with. I was looking for a cheap .22 semi-auto pistol and found it out of pure dumb luck at Academy for $160.00 🤘
That was a cool intro and a nice way to commend your supporters. I've been interested in the metal framed p15. It's between that and the xds mod1 mod2 series right now. I like how the end user can switch between the 3 levels of safetys on it though.
As a big P15 fan you missed 2 fun details. Its about the length of a G43X despite having 0.6" extra barrel. And There're basically no flashlights on the market which fit the rail. The only one I ever found to fit is the Olite Baldr Mini, which fits on everything and is noticeably wider than the gun itself unfortunately. And as bonus facts. Keltec promised us short slides and red dot mounts, which we never got and will never get. 😭
Gotta appreciate Kel-Tec just for their attitude. They innovate, they develop new ideas, they invest, and they bring affordable products to market. That sets them apart from companies like Canik, Taurus, Tisas, and other "make a quick buck" companies. Of course, as soon as Kel-Tec focuses attention on affordable that's where compromises occur. However, to be fair, the one Kel-Tec I own (an RDB) has been reliable, it's just so unpleasant to shoot that it hasn't really been put to a real test and won't go to a real training. If they had spent just a tiny bit more on parts, I certainly would put it through real testing. I got it dirt cheap through an auction, so it's affordable enough as a novelty.
I can give you the review. Had the P15 Metal last year. After only 300 rounds all the finish on the barrel was gone, every screw had fallen out, a chunk of metal was missing from the slide. First and last Krap-Tec I will ever buy.
I've got 3 Keltecs and they all work great (P17, PMR30 and CMR30). Going to get this one eventually, but will probably be picking up a KSG or RDB here soon. Really surprised that they don't have an optics plate for this thing yet.
Kel tec 2000 is the only Kel Tec in my safe. It works very well love the unique design. But it feels like a 80s Entertech......you know it if you are 80s kids!
I like it!! Slim/thin is the major plus, for concealed carry. 👍🏼 Secondly, overall weight. So it has good capacity but that also adds to overall carry weight. Therefore, if in 380, then less ammo weight, abd perhaps still even smaller, then would be even better! 🙏🏼🤟🏼 One con is the takedown, needing a tool of sorts and be scraping on the gun, no, not good. That's gotta change. 👆🏼😓🙏🏼
I’m looking forward to you giving this gun a fair shake good or bad. I hope you change the back strap for shooting video. The few reviews that there are of this gun seem to be reviewers who leave it as is and then complain about it for the remainder of the review.
Interesting pistol, they have a metal grip for it too. I've had a Kel-Tec plr22 for several years with no problems but magazines. But that model has polymer mags only and they're crap but gun works great.
Try adding some markings on the back of the chamber test round to make rotation more visible. Looking forward to the range footage based on that slide mass. Edit: That corner in the back...thanks for the article and r*mble vid.
Just a few notes. First, for those of us with 'different' hands, depressing the grip safety is anatomically challenging while maintaining a proper grip and trigger position. Grip safeties don't scare me, they just don't work for me. Also... why? Second note is that Kel-Tec had a chassis system all the way back in 1995 with the P11. They also had a smaller and lighter double-stack 9mm than the SIG P365 back then. George doesn't seek the limelight or credit, but it is certainly due.
Somehow I just have not been able to get past the prejudice against Kel Tec products that was born from their earliest offerings and poor performance. I'll be interested to see how your final thoughts & feels come out after the range session.
Trigger weight is relevant, it's simply not paramount as many would have folks believe. Not anymore than an immeasurably short reset is. A trigger scale is merely, emphasis on Merely, a tool to objectively measure one attribute. It's an armorer's and gunsmith tool, that's it. Judging a firearm first by measuring it's trigger pull is akin to deciding what is the "best" caliber entirely by studying ballistics gel. They are both objective measures and by themselves, objective standards comfort the ignorant. Having a "light trigger" then calling it a "great gun" is akin to calling a Ford F450 a race car because you put slicks on it. The trigger is just one component of one tool. That component is merely one point of contact between one tool and...another.
Tried one. Very snappy, too much. I wanted to like it, the quality just isn’t there. Slide is notchy and feels cheap when racking. Fits my hand good. Fired strip is needlessly difficult.
Their story would be a good one for many firearms manufacturers to emulate. They show that you can spend money on development and pay American labor prices and still make affordable guns. Plenty of "affordable" competition out there from makers who do nothing to develop anything and pay only Turkish labor rates.
I also respect innovation BUT my P17 22lr, even after careful cleaning, is after 500rds, shooting like it's wearing out. That's on CCI Minimags. I'll be sending it back soon/using that "lifetime warranty". I don't EDC .22lr SO for occasional plinking, I won't be spending anymore in a handgun in that caliber. Regarding this pistol, there are a myriad of affordable, STURDIER alternatives in 380 and 9mm I'd trust over this.
Any rimfire pistol is a crapshoot. Even Brownings and Rugers. Hopefully your experience will be better with Kel-Tec than mine was with Taurus. Thing is, as cheap as they are (both the Kel-Tec and the TX22) it's usually just easier to either just buy spare parts and do the work yourself or just buy another rather than deal with the headaches. Certainly, Kel-Tec can't be as bad as Taurus.
A kel tec pistol in a hard box? Wow, they're moving up. I had a p11. It was a sweet little pistol other than the really stiff pistol. But it was made like that specifically as a safety. Learn to shoot at 20 yrds with that and you'll be able to shoot anything effectively and efficiently.
I said nothing disrespectful about your patrons, who (unlike Kel-Tec) have provided you with 500 free guns. Perhaps you should show some respect to your subscribers, and viewers, who enable you to make money from these videos, that I click on and watch for free.
Imagine not using +P in 9mm, and imagine buying a pistol that can't handle a steady diet of it. Also, imagine building a pistol in current year that CANT handle a steady diet of it. It should all be "If it fits in a 9mm case and is sold on the shelf, you're good to go."
Im going to place a bet in advance that this gun is going to be a train wreck with sights falling off, screws backing out and multiple failure to extracts😊
In 9 years of making gun videos I find such comments tend to come.from people who are insecure about their own purchase or perhaps even know they over paid.
@@bourjuvaI'll be the first to say that Sarsilmaz is a cut or two above any other Turkish sidearm manufacturer that exports to the USA. No, not Canik. Here's the difference. SAR not only is ISO rated, they are a NATO manufacturer as well as a competitor in the international market for police and military contracts. They have, and rightfully so, enough confidence in their products to challenge others to destructive testing. Not so for Canik. Every gun by a manufacturer that doesn't seek those lucrative contracts is suspect. I don't care if whomever builds a great competition gun "for the money." If it's not built for duty, it's not for me except as a toy.
Full Review: www.gbgunsdepot.com/post/patron-optional-kel-tec-p15
Gotta hand it to em. No matter the reputation, at least they're not relying on the gen 3 G19 chassis to sell products.
You say that but all the companies that picked up a clone of the g19 showed Glock what they could have built instead of going the way of apple with a slightly rounded corner and no actual innovation. IMO Glock is a one trick pony that has gotten very old in a race full of mustangs.
@tray22 That pony has been selling circles around all those "mustangs" since right around 1990......... The reason Glock doesn't constantly mess with the designs of their products is because they work 100% reliability just the way they are.
That is, of course, unless your feeble wrists are causing a malfunction. I'm not your typical Glock fan boy, but I own a couple, just like I own a couple of just about every brand, and the only other Gun Manufacturer that I trust with my life on a daily basis is Grand Power.
@@HarbingerOfDeath10-67 I own one as well but I prefer my M&P 9C over a glock. The trigger was better out of the box, had better sights, and the grip just fit my hand perfectly.
@tray22 You see, all those aftermarket parts that people buy and replace on their Glocks, might make em look cool, make em lighter, and dress up the trigger pull, but they also cause them to be less reliable. I don't know about you, but if I get even 1 malfunction out of each 100 rounds I put through a pistol, that is not a pistol that I'll be carrying when I leave my house.
@@tray22 Good pistols, but S&W had a lot of duds before they made that one. I have the same one, and I carry it around the house. I actually carry my Gen 4 G26 if I'm going for a small pistol.
The p17 is one of, if not the best value in the firearms world..
That's true. Even if everything else they produce is absolute junk, that little .22LR is capable of running any brand of ammo thrown at it.
@@HarbingerOfDeath10-67 1st gen sub 2000 40sw eats absolutely everything ive out through it. 2000+ rounds
@@How_Lay Good to know. The P17 is the only model of Kel-Tec's I have experience with. I was looking for a cheap .22 semi-auto pistol and found it out of pure dumb luck at Academy for $160.00 🤘
That's true, with an asterisk. *That is if yours is reliable
Thank you, patrons. I am admittedly interested in maybe getting a P15 and so I am eagerly looking forward to the second part of this review.
Remember the complete reviews are almost always in the pinned comment on GBGuns ;)
Got the p11 and p9.. BOTH great summer carry options. Period.
That was a cool intro and a nice way to commend your supporters.
I've been interested in the metal framed p15. It's between that and the xds mod1 mod2 series right now. I like how the end user can switch between the 3 levels of safetys on it though.
I have seen some great deals on the XDM Elite compact on PSA website.
@ thanks for sharing
You still play runescape?
@@moshkid16 I have been thinking about getting back on the Ironman lately.
@@_Jashawuh you should
I've been working on desert treasure 2 lately. Jagex is killin it with the mobile version.
As a big P15 fan you missed 2 fun details.
Its about the length of a G43X despite having 0.6" extra barrel.
And
There're basically no flashlights on the market which fit the rail. The only one I ever found to fit is the Olite Baldr Mini, which fits on everything and is noticeably wider than the gun itself unfortunately.
And as bonus facts. Keltec promised us short slides and red dot mounts, which we never got and will never get. 😭
I know kel tec has their challenges but you can’t say they copy anyone! I can’t wait to get my hands on one of these and see how it feels!
Gotta appreciate Kel-Tec just for their attitude.
They innovate, they develop new ideas, they invest, and they bring affordable products to market.
That sets them apart from companies like Canik, Taurus, Tisas, and other "make a quick buck" companies.
Of course, as soon as Kel-Tec focuses attention on affordable that's where compromises occur.
However, to be fair, the one Kel-Tec I own (an RDB) has been reliable, it's just so unpleasant to shoot that it hasn't really been put to a real test and won't go to a real training. If they had spent just a tiny bit more on parts, I certainly would put it through real testing. I got it dirt cheap through an auction, so it's affordable enough as a novelty.
I have the PMR30 22 mag And the CP33 Lr and they have been fun and great pistol
i can't wait to see the range review.
I can give you the review. Had the P15 Metal last year. After only 300 rounds all the finish on the barrel was gone, every screw had fallen out, a chunk of metal was missing from the slide. First and last Krap-Tec I will ever buy.
S&W made their great lil 380 recently, would be nice if KelTec made this in 380 now
I second that! Thin/slim lightweight 380 needs to continue to thrive, with more and more model options!
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I've got 3 Keltecs and they all work great (P17, PMR30 and CMR30). Going to get this one eventually, but will probably be picking up a KSG or RDB here soon. Really surprised that they don't have an optics plate for this thing yet.
Kel tec 2000 is the only Kel Tec in my safe. It works very well love the unique design. But it feels like a 80s Entertech......you know it if you are 80s kids!
One of my favoriteTools is the Lyman Trigger Pull Gauge...=)
I've got a couple of them that I bought and used before I learned better.
Love the intro
I like it!! Slim/thin is the major plus, for concealed carry. 👍🏼
Secondly, overall weight.
So it has good capacity but that also adds to overall carry weight.
Therefore, if in 380, then less ammo weight, abd perhaps still even smaller, then would be even better! 🙏🏼🤟🏼
One con is the takedown, needing a tool of sorts and be scraping on the gun, no, not good. That's gotta change.
👆🏼😓🙏🏼
Looks decent....only wish the grip was a little longer for a whole hand grip.
I’m looking forward to you giving this gun a fair shake good or bad.
I hope you change the back strap for shooting video. The few reviews that there are of this gun seem to be reviewers who leave it as is and then complain about it for the remainder of the review.
I did. The full review is in the pinned comment.
Interesting pistol, they have a metal grip for it too. I've had a Kel-Tec plr22 for several years with no problems but magazines. But that model has polymer mags only and they're crap but gun works great.
Try adding some markings on the back of the chamber test round to make rotation more visible.
Looking forward to the range footage based on that slide mass.
Edit:
That corner in the back...thanks for the article and r*mble vid.
Thx. I sold my old P11 last year. Had it since the 90s. Actually a good gun.
PLUNK! Thanks Graham 😹
Thanks ur show is very impressive but you never do much Affordable guns like the Stoeger family or Mossberg 9s u would really like em .
You need to do some more research....GB has reviewed a bunch of "budget guns" including the Mossberg Mc2c and Mc2sc!
3 models of Mossberg and 2 models of Stoeger!
Ship u did.!?!?!
Sorry Im gonna watch them now.
Must have missed em.
What happened with Tia?!?
Miss her opinions n her competition with ya.
Bought a P11 back in the 90's as a truck gun....did not treat it with any love and it ran flawlessly for years. Trigger sucked, but no complaints
Just a few notes. First, for those of us with 'different' hands, depressing the grip safety is anatomically challenging while maintaining a proper grip and trigger position. Grip safeties don't scare me, they just don't work for me. Also... why? Second note is that Kel-Tec had a chassis system all the way back in 1995 with the P11. They also had a smaller and lighter double-stack 9mm than the SIG P365 back then. George doesn't seek the limelight or credit, but it is certainly due.
Somehow I just have not been able to get past the prejudice against Kel Tec products that was born from their earliest offerings and poor performance. I'll be interested to see how your final thoughts & feels come out after the range session.
Trigger weight is relevant, it's simply not paramount as many would have folks believe. Not anymore than an immeasurably short reset is.
A trigger scale is merely, emphasis on Merely, a tool to objectively measure one attribute. It's an armorer's and gunsmith tool, that's it. Judging a firearm first by measuring it's trigger pull is akin to deciding what is the "best" caliber entirely by studying ballistics gel.
They are both objective measures and by themselves, objective standards comfort the ignorant.
Having a "light trigger" then calling it a "great gun" is akin to calling a Ford F450 a race car because you put slicks on it.
The trigger is just one component of one tool. That component is merely one point of contact between one tool and...another.
Happy New Year to you and the Mrs.
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Tried one. Very snappy, too much. I wanted to like it, the quality just isn’t there. Slide is notchy and feels cheap when racking. Fits my hand good. Fired strip is needlessly difficult.
I swear to God Kel-Tech is the only gun company where their engineers are squirrels with ADHD on PCP.
Their story would be a good one for many firearms manufacturers to emulate.
They show that you can spend money on development and pay American labor prices and still make affordable guns.
Plenty of "affordable" competition out there from makers who do nothing to develop anything and pay only Turkish labor rates.
I’ve been happy with my Keltec weapons. So much so I’m debating about getting the KSG SBS on display at my local gun shop/shooting range.
I also respect innovation BUT my P17 22lr, even after careful cleaning, is after 500rds, shooting like it's wearing out. That's on CCI Minimags. I'll be sending it back soon/using that "lifetime warranty". I don't EDC .22lr SO for occasional plinking, I won't be spending anymore in a handgun in that caliber.
Regarding this pistol, there are a myriad of affordable, STURDIER alternatives in 380 and 9mm I'd trust over this.
Let us know how the warranty experience goes.
Any rimfire pistol is a crapshoot. Even Brownings and Rugers.
Hopefully your experience will be better with Kel-Tec than mine was with Taurus.
Thing is, as cheap as they are (both the Kel-Tec and the TX22) it's usually just easier to either just buy spare parts and do the work yourself or just buy another rather than deal with the headaches.
Certainly, Kel-Tec can't be as bad as Taurus.
A kel tec pistol in a hard box?
Wow, they're moving up.
I had a p11. It was a sweet little pistol other than the really stiff pistol. But it was made like that specifically as a safety. Learn to shoot at 20 yrds with that and you'll be able to shoot anything effectively and efficiently.
I really want to see this thing at the range. My p11 took some effort to keep it held down. Follow-up shots were difficult, but I got it figured out.
I like keltec. Ruger and Smith & Wesson have copied many of their designs.
Most all 22’s are notoriously unreliable. They can run well if you find a brand of ammo it will run with, switch brands and it’s malfunction time
If the credits are longer than the movie, I’m not watching it.
The Patrons made the video possible. The same video you clicked on to watch for free. Show them some respect.
I said nothing disrespectful about your patrons, who (unlike Kel-Tec) have provided you with 500 free guns. Perhaps you should show some respect to your subscribers, and viewers, who enable you to make money from these videos, that I click on and watch for free.
@MichaelJohnson-tw7dq I have yet to receive a single free gun.
Oh? Then why did you say patron donations paid for that one?
@@MichaelJohnson-tw7dq They did in part, but it was not free. For something to be "free" I'd have to give nothing in exchange for it.
Looks like the tritium is the most expensive part of this gun.
To each their own, but I'd never have my life depend on a company known for bad quality control and unreliable merchandise.
Kel Tec products are like the ford pinto.Poorly made and unsafe at any speed.
Imagine not using +P in 9mm, and imagine buying a pistol that can't handle a steady diet of it. Also, imagine building a pistol in current year that CANT handle a steady diet of it. It should all be "If it fits in a 9mm case and is sold on the shelf, you're good to go."
What's the point of +p in a proper barrel? Over-accelerating a round can be just as bad as having an inadequate barrel length.
Im going to place a bet in advance that this gun is going to be a train wreck with sights falling off, screws backing out and multiple failure to extracts😊
Yeah, just like a Taurus.
The full review has been public for a week or so. Take a look
15 dollar gun
Yep, it can sit right next to Taurus and Tisas and Ermox and [insert most Turkish gunmakers names].
In 9 years of making gun videos I find such comments tend to come.from people who are insecure about their own purchase or perhaps even know they over paid.
@@JD-tn5lz turkish gun makers have good brands canik and sarsılmaz for exp rest of it produce what actually u need
@@bourjuvaI'll be the first to say that Sarsilmaz is a cut or two above any other Turkish sidearm manufacturer that exports to the USA. No, not Canik.
Here's the difference. SAR not only is ISO rated, they are a NATO manufacturer as well as a competitor in the international market for police and military contracts. They have, and rightfully so, enough confidence in their products to challenge others to destructive testing. Not so for Canik.
Every gun by a manufacturer that doesn't seek those lucrative contracts is suspect. I don't care if whomever builds a great competition gun "for the money." If it's not built for duty, it's not for me except as a toy.
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