Absolutely. Always laugh when I see content creators or people on Reddit say this can't be done with pubs. I've done the Elite version with pubs every week so far with no problems (outside of the first couple hours after it came out, when people were still gauging how it all worked: mostly too many newbies that didn't realize the immortal liminus would kill them so fast)
It's all luck based. There's a lot of people in public who just expect to get carried. Reminds me of the one time I went into an eidolon hunt in public. Somebody was frost, for some fucked up reason. So I'd rather do it solo, or with friends I know can do well on their own, than have to babysit.
A little tip for Mirror Defense: If you spawn the Necramech eximus within the last 5-10 seconds of the round, its spawn animation will eat up all the time left in the round, and it'll die during the transition to the next wave without you having to do anything. The next wave will then start with 1:45 on the timer, and you can repeat this at the end of rounds 2 and 3. Then you can challenge the one on the last round normally Likely a bug, will probably get patched, but a really useful tip to shave that time off even if your squad isn't necessarily capable of defeating the mechs normally
Another tip: There are no restrictions for companions, so you are free to bring your favorite/best companion. For me, I usually run a sentinel with Duplex Bond and Verglas with Shivering Contagion. The extra crowd control really helps me with survivability and Mirror Defense. EDIT: I also run Sacrifice on the sentinel just in case. It actually saved my runs a few times.
@@undisabled1552 Not a great solution, now if you wanted to try more challenges you can't. You unlocked elite DA? Well, play it next week. Everyone will be pressed to try it with all the challenges, or not do it at all. It will be frustrating because you don't want to underevaluate your own capacity or you won't get another shot. If they did that the unhappiness from the community wouldn't be worth it.
I think it's good to encourage players to experiment and learn how to to use various weapons in the game instead of the same 4 ones your most comfortable with. It also means the more weapons/Warframes you master (as in learn how to properly mod and use them) the better your chances are of getting a 'good' Loadout in Archimedea or Duviri.
I failed my first elite archimidea this week because of it. Our khora went down because of them. Then i tried tanking them for long enough to get the revive off, but i failed
Fortunately they are vulnerable to some CC. Limbo Stasis trivialised it last week; and this week I found out that Creeping Terrify's 80% slow applies to them, which is great because it's Nekros' Helminth subsumed so you can put it on any frame, and get a pretty good Armour strip to boot
They should at least get a hard-core nerf to their immunities. I hate how last week when I got Khora as a choice that even when I passed on the "-75% ability duration" debuff that I used Khora's Ensnare (one of very few crowd control abilities that works on the Liminus enemies) with about 231% ability duration, which should give Ensnare a 30-second duration, but because of how broken overpowered those things are Ensnare with a 231% ability duration only lasts 1-2 seconds on them. I get this is supposed to be end-game content, but this is just plain ridiculous and unreasonable.
One thing Ken neglected to mention: Your equipped Heavy Weapon (aka Archgun with gravmag) IS deployable in Deep Archimedea and AFAIK there's no variable restricting their use. very useful info to have if you got stuck with a crappy loadout
7:50 Elite crew members have a trait where killing an enemy heals all nearby allies by 500 over 10 seconds, which includes the defense objective. Not a lot, but it's something. Also, these on call crew members seems to bypass some damage restriction on the enemies, I give them Kuva Zarr, and it hits those Necramechs pretty hard. If the mission didn't restrict your item wheel, they'll make your run easier.
Back when we had the event in which we could fight the wolf of saturn six over and over again for free, I gave my crewmate a kuva zarr, flew to his spawn as fast as possible with wukong and just watched as my buddy 2 shot him. When I tried using the same zarr build myself, it just sucked. I farmed a bunch of sets of his hammer.
One thing you kind of glossed over is that archguns are not considered for the gear selection either, so if the transference restriction is in play you still have access to a fairly strong heavy hitter in case your other weapons are weak and not built out. As long as the double whammy of no operator or gear wheel items are not on there's no reason to not have a competent weapon available for at least a significant amount of each mission.
@@711_skiddlz >endgame mission >crappy weapons I've never bothered to hold on to because they are, well, crappy Ah yes, extremely engaging gameplay design by DE. Hopefully in the next update, the missions themselves are gonna be random as well, you're only gonna know what you have to do once you've loaded in the map.
Since you can skip one parameter and still get all the rewards, I think Kullervo is extremly good in these missions. Got a shit weapon/warframe choices ? Just take Kullervo with rest of parameters, take any melee weapon from the selection and mod it for heavy attack. Big damage and good survivability in one. It kinda sucks againts some enemies (murmur boss, some flying enemies), but I had a lot of succes with this in pubs. This is my go to strategy if RNG decides to give me bad options.
Baruuk is also a great "I hate all of this, just let me have one degree of freedom" pick. Requires no weapons and doesn't mind most of the debuffs. Building Dante for his book is also a pretty solid move. It'll be weaker than Kullervo or Baruuk in terms of damage output, but the support options he has can make up for that if you're in a public group.
Now that Chroma has had an augment mod added that really helps keep his Vex Armor up, I would love to see a breakdown of how his Vex Armor stacks up to other damage abilities, including the reworked Eclipse
this would be a lot more fun if there were more weapons viable at high levels, right now it just feels like a lottery of if you're allowed to be helpful or if you'll need to be carried
All weapons are "viable" at high levels. Even the Cronus can kill a Rogue Necramech if you invest in it. What you meant to say is "as good as the Torid Incarnon"
@@CrashSableStop this nonsense. No, not everyone has the time or plat or time to earn plat. In order to buy rivens and forma an item several times every week. You act like this game isn't broken in this element. This week I'm here with no weapons I have invested in before, I'm down 300 platinum on buying rivens and forma to make this work. I've got 3 frames that all focus on CC and somehow I've gotta help on the effervo boss with no ability duration to CC the adds. Short story: I will need to be carried.
@@monkaeyes3417 thinking you even need a riven to do anything in high level is stupid, everyone's been asking for endgame and when its not accesible by newer players you're mad? Thats the whole point of an endgame lmao
@@sansy279 you have an unrealistic expectation for what an "endgame" player is. Someone with a full inventory of invested in weapons is not an endgame player. That is a no-life player.
@@monkaeyes3417lmao, this is endgame, if you don't have the necessary stuff that means THIS ISNT FOR YOU Why do you believe you're entitled to being able to breeze through any content in the game? So many games have endgames that players have to work towards, this is Warframe's endgame. You are so salty it's really funny, in another reply you said someone with a fully upgraded arsenal is a no loser, no, some of us have been playing for close to 10 years and FINALLY we have our endgame, just like wow does, just like FFXIV does, just like GW2 does. New players shouldn't be able to easily finish any content in the game, that's the point of progression. Also, you have normal netracell runs, which are a lot easier for newbies and also have great rewards Stop complaining about this game having an endgame, it's pathetic, you want everything served on a silver platter, why? Didn't you play any other games in your entire life or something? Literally every mmo has content dedicated for the high level, highly geared players. Jesus Christ, people like you are dragging this community down, you literally lack any sense.
Another damage source worth discussing--your sentinel. Verglas is a reasonable heat-stacker, and adding Fired Up to your sentinel config gives it an extra heat mod. It's enough to whittle down enemies passively, even if your guns are poor, and can make up for bad weapon choices.
@@КирилКирилов-в1оin other words, maybe this is endgame that's only made for endgame players? Just like wow? Just like FFXIV? Just like GW2? Just like destiny 2? Just like any mmo that has a dedicated piece of content for people that have reached endgame? You literally have the easier version, netracells so you don't cry about missing rewards. Crybabies, crybabies everywhere
@@Kuran1986mf i am an end game player but half the weapons in the game is unplayable garbage and like half of the normally ''playable'' ones are not playable in deep archimedea you are not an end game player, you are just a no life loser that has everything useless in the game maxed out if you have no problems with the game mode
Being given a good frame, but no ability duration for the things that make that frame good is fantastic. Being given a single useful gun but 75% less ammo returns from drops is fantastic. Being given a good melee, but losing energy every second you're close to an enemy is fantastic. Being presented with all of these options simultaneously is fantastic. This game mode is fantastic.
I had Rhino, Braton, Brakk and Praedos this week, so opted to skip the abbreviated abilities modifier. He worked really rather well against the boss, despite my somewhat halfbaked build for him.
I think the best tip i can offer for public matchmakers is always assume you have to do everything yourself. This means if you see revenant in your selection but theres a mirror defense in the missions, pick the CC warframe instead. If your the only CC player then you picked well, if someone else also picked a CC then you just win more. Every warframe these days can survive and deal big damage, selecting warframes that do only these things in public matchmaking is almost always being a detriment to the squad
the issue i take with the dealing with modifier section of the video where you say to use certain frames or weapons to get around them is that the mode limits what you can bring and you really only have one flex spot. this can be a problem when you have multiple bad modifiers like low duration, no operator and limited ammo.
There's actually a lot that can be done with just that one flex slot. Carrier or scavenger mods are a great tool for the ammo issues. Loss of operator can hurt if you rely on it for your energy econ, but still utilizing the passive energy cost reduction of Zenurik alongside arcane energize, arcane steadfast, energy nexus, archon stretch where applicable, or even the energy regen aura if needed can buy you just enough leeway to make it through. As for duration, that may just be what you burn the flex slot for it you rolled only frames that very much need that stat. And if you're rebuttal is "Well what if I dont have energize or steadfast? What if my build needs X or Y that the modifiers are blocking." Well then... You might not be ready for Deep Archimedia. This is a weird time as it's been commonplace that whatever new version of endgame added with every patch has been doable with a relatively non-optimized, run of the mill build that a lot of long term players just have the items for sitting around. Deep Archimedia is not that. It is supposed to be a challenge. You're suppose to have to work for it. For instance, I rolled Wisp, miter, Dual Furis, and Ruvox the week. My wisp prime is a bit under where it should be, so I couldve absolutely taken the time to put some form in to get her fully prepped. My ruvox isnt even fully evolved and I couldve finished that out. However, I specifically made the point of finally getting the miter incarnation genesis (which was an hour in duviri farming Tasoma), then put a potato and 2 forma into this gun that I hadn't touched since I got it to level 30 and promised myself I'd get around to the incarnon eventually. Even then, it still took 2 or 3 runs to complete. Yes, DA is hard and requires you to work for your build. That's the point.
@@stefanlewis7773 Or it's actual endgame content finally and you're just bad. Warframe has one of the least predatory F2P models on the market, yet you're saying they just randomly abandoned it? Cope.
@@themonkeys96 simps gonna simp I guess. l've had no problem finishing elite archimedia. If you think that making enemies immune or invulnerable and removing your abilities are good game mechanics then you're more stupid than I thought.
@@themonkeys96 "you're just bad at the game" as if warframe requires any skill.🤣 I guess killing braindead AI make you feel good about your "skill." DE is somewhat reasonable with mtx 's because it's necessary, if they choose to be greedy the game will die. They've tried unreasonable monetization like the recent heirloom skin and quickly apologized and stated they would change any others going forward.
Deep Archimedea sounds fun ... but I doubt I will ever be able to do it. I simply don't put enough time into Warframe to have a large arsenal and endgame builds ready to go. I don't even have Primed Surefooted yet.
i unlocked that last week and it was super easy. last week i had inaros and furis and jsut ran through it, this week i had only boar as usable weapon, built it up, used a revenant with tharros strike in the flex slot doe to duration decrease and it was super easy again
@@wtfman2049 Until you get Overguard modifier and then Gloom becomes useless. Decoy has the highest target priority in the game, even higher than defense targets, that's why its useful for this stuff.
Found this gamemode on accident, went in normal archimedea 1 point short of elite. What a surprise. I havent sweated so much in warframe since arbitrations were first added.
You can also cheese this with a single friend. One person takes a damage buff frame with optimal weapons and modifiers off while the other guy has all modifiers on and uses revenant with the mesmer skin augment for squad survivability. You only miss out on 50 phosphor that way.
I have a very limited amount of weapons and warframes, so no matter what, I can always use something good. The only difficulty are the debuffs you can get.
Something you didnt mention at the start: The selection of Warframes and Weapons you're given will *always* contain one you own for every category, and always in the first column of choices. (Tested on an Mr0 account on release.)
You tested an MR0 account's selection in Deep Archimedea, content that requires you to have maxed out the Cavia's rank which is content after New War? You're going to have to walk me through that one.
@@TheKengineer I'll add my voice to those who can confirm that there absolutely isn't any kind of protection(s) in place. I have no idea where that rumor started, but it's absolutely false. You can absolutely get a choice between three things you don't own, which makes it impossible to get full research that week unless you go out and grind one of the equipment you're missing from those three options.
@GhostlyPancakeTheOddMancake I don't think that's Possible.... I'm almost Certain Defeating Vay Hek is either a Junction Requirement or a Main Quest Requirement.... And that node is MR Locked. The only way around it is for Accounts that Cleared it before The Locks were put in place (your Account would need to be atleast 6 Years Old)
Thanks for the vid! I have far better grasp in terms of their challenge and reward pools. Unfortunately, all my friends quit warframe and I just got back from rather long rest. I guess it's a time to call back mates from discord and rank up the sanctum first.
DE really went all in tailoring to hardcore endgame players with this. I can tell because I feel alone in enjoying the random arsenal and the damage puzzles it presents and always go solo. Week 1 took 8 attempts and I loved every second of the challenge.
Meanwhile the "endgame" part of the game is stupidly easy, it should have been level 800-1000 enemies for elite, make it proper endgame, I put together a really bad build this week and beat EA with no struggles
@@mightymushroom4980There’s really not much of a difference between lvl 300-400 and lvl 800-1,000 enemies aside from almost requiring armor strip methods for the latter. That doesn’t make it more difficult, it just makes it so you have to put two emerald shards on every frame you choose for it.
@@SmoothTurtle840 More like their survivability barely changes but you're forced to shieldgating on nearly all frames (not very fun). I think the levels are fine rn.
@@mightymushroom4980 And people are still finding a way to bitch. Like... you can forgo one of the limitations, just bring Revenant subsumed with something useful and half the problem is already removed, if you're REALLY unlucky and have no usable weapon too, just bring Octavia subsumed with something useful. I swear half of the playerbase wants to run 1 frame, and 3 weapons for the entire game, in A LOOTER shooter inspired game.
A week feels too short to invest in a limited selection build, every week. Wish this was almost biweekly. Like this gets me using less used options & makes me want to invest to prepare but it's rough.
for the power of friendship part, i was told my clanmates that they patched it and all people have to have the same amount of modifyers equiped, so that you cant get carried anymore
The only downside I have to the alchemy archimedea is the invincible variable. It's tedious to do but even more so solo because the spawns and drops are built around rng, so you'll have what I did when I first tried it solo, where I spent 45 minutes running around trying to bait the game into spawning something I could actually KILL because the enemies remaining were all covered in an aura that I didn't have an amphor for. I shouldn't be watching my watch waiting for the invincible minion to spawn the big huge threat of the map just to have something to kill to MAYBE have a chance at progressing the mission, because otherwise it's a game of chicken where I can't kill them and they can't kill me. Increase the spawns/drops, and I'll have zero issues that I feel need addressing. This is a great game mode otherwise.
Great video, really well explained. Unfortunately after watching this I have zero incentive to actually play Deep Archimedia - it seems like a misstep by DE that excludes the everyday player who is there for some fun, as opposed to those that have active clans, time to grind up equipment and actually grind this mode. It just sounds terrible for the game as alienates the general playerbase. Duviri at least seems more inclined to include all players.
Don't take it the wrong way, but there already is gazillion things to do just for fun, while i understand your POV, it is crucial to also understand those players who want more difficulty/challenge and rewards.
@MagikarpMan but your everyday player is most likely an endgame player if they have deep archimedea available to them, they just do not live for the sole purpose of playing warframe.
@@beegyoshi1685you don't need to live for the sole purpose of playing Warframe to do deep arch media, if Ur an endgame player you have many weapons and many frames so eda should be no problem even for casual players. I'm a casual player and i do it just fine
Well, about challenge. Problem is, if you don't get any good frames and weapons and there is one of 3 debuffs present (75% less duration/2 Manadrain per second per enemy/75% less efficiency). The only playable warframe option is inaros. And you have no way to deal damage, since your weapons are all trash. So you are stuck unless somebody can carry. Yes i know specters are pretty good. But if those are locked, operator won't be enough to carry you.
Honestly idek why i watched the whole vid cause i've already did 3 max reward runs, guud vid Also: If the mission didn't disable equipment ABUSE on-call crew from railjack, they can bring any unrestricted gun
i barely farmed archon shards before taking a break from warframe. i come back and see all of T H I S. reminder to never take a break right before mass story progression and updates
As someone who doesn't want to deal with "friends", I'm just approaching Deep Archimedea as a maybe each week. If it looks like I can have a good run, I'll do it, otherwise I'll just do 5 Netracells. The only advantages of doing Deep Archimedea are that it will be faster to get a full ranked Crescendo and Duplicate and extra Archon Shards. For the first, I don't really care, I'll get them eventually. For the second, now that we can FINALLY combine shards into Tauforged (should have been in the game from the start, despite Ken's other video), I'm at the point where I don't even need the shards anymore and I'm just building up stockpiles for frames that I might eventually get to investing in.
I absolutely love this. It's challenging enough that you can't just max it out and take all the items it says without even thinking about it, you actually have to consider all the options and at least make sure one frame or weapon is adequate for the mission, or sacrifice the vosfor to bring a frame/weapon you prefer or shut off a modifier you REALLY hate, like abbreviated abilities for me last week. I REALLY hope DE continues in the same vein of difficulty and gear restrictions to force people to actually git gud and not just use whatever the meta weapon is. My only change for this would be making the mission non-repeatable unless you're running it at an equal or higher level to any previous runs of the week, to prevent carry swaps between players trivializing the content by just bringing top tier meta gear then having a friend do the same.
@@redlord4321 Right, people act like anyone can just create an account and have a Torid Incarnon with 8 Forma, a Potato and Arcane in 2 months, EVERYONE that has meta weapons worked hard for them, they may not have created the builds, but they still had to built the normal Torid, still had to grind SP Circuit for the Adapter, grind the currencies, unlock the challenges, forma the weapon 8 times, not to mention all the steps that are not directly tied to meta but still take a long time (unlocking Steel Path, farming Arcanes and Adapters, farming and maxing lvl 10 mods that are expensive as fuck, etc), it takes a long time to get there, and these people deserve the "power" they have. Like, i'm not against what they are doing with Archimedea, i don't have it unlocked yet, but the concept is super cool, reminds me a bit of GW2 Fractals, but if the entire end game turn into "restriction fest" it will become old and boring very fast.
@@redlord4321 Friend, I was stuck with an ammo limitation and my secondary options were the stug, aegrit, or twin kohmak. With primary choices that were also pretty atrocious, and my only good melee option being the Keratinos. It made me think of a creative way to do the missions and use the gear presented, which is awesome! If you aren't fond of the gear limitations, you can always ignore them for lesser rewards, or simply run netracells instead with the 2 charges you would use for deep archimedea. That's the beauty of this game, and especially this system, we can all choose to play it however we enjoy.
@@redlord4321skill issue This is endgame, dedicated for endgame players, just like wow, FFXIV, gw2, D2 and any other mmo have. You literally have the easier version, netracells, if you arsenal isn't good enough for this. Let us have our fucking endgame and stop crying
I don't have any friends and still manage to do every week of elite deep with random PUGs. A couple failed attempts are still less work than socializing with someone for weeks and convincing them to start playing WF! I'm sure Ken would agree after he runs the numbers...
So far really enjoying this content. I have put more forma into weapons so they are usable, tweaked builds and it's actually a challenge! Also pretty sure I've earnt more tau shards in a few weeks than from archons!! Really great game mode😊 Just need more friends 😂😂😂
Everyone has already said it. Just load in with a Revenant Prime or Dante and then follow them around like a puppy while they wipe the missions for you.
I was lucky on my first archimedea last week to have my Excal umbra with wrathful advance. Melting everything even though i had scuffed weapons otherwise.
@CreEpeRneSs125 You do realize this only shows how poor the design is, right? Carry me / I'll carry you to skip the difficulty. Thats... not good game design.
If there was no random load outs, this wouldn't be challenging at all. The players have far to much strength to just allow us to bring whatever we want
@@thesinhoundThat’s only if you want to get around the weapon requirements and modifiers. It’s going to be tedious if you remove the difficulty from it, similar to how not running steel path mission variants will result in more time to get the same level of loot.
Elite DA is a hell of an ass kick but also really does kick ass. I found some work-arounds to some restrictions though. Running straight to extraction quickly can outrun the duviri health suckers permanently in exterminate. (Haven’t tried survival.) Activating the Necramech right before switching defense targets in mirror defense will count the kill even though it’s the mission clear that does the work.
This is starting to sound a little bit frustrating. Primarily played this game solo all my life for 10-11 Years and was always somewhat satisfied with what you could get done by yourself. But because of the Pacific things I may have to use and I might have not invested in as well. This looks like it's going to force me to try and find people and do things like otherwise don't like. Similar to the frustrations people facing raids like destiny. The idea of trying to find people in coordinator build just sounds exhausting. And I'm legendary master rank 3. A little bit more than a year ago I've been on and off the game a lot so I missed out on really farming all shards And mow the big game stuff. I was on and off and taking breaks because I was having eye issues and dog trauma issues. And there was an issue for Ford almost 6 months of Internet lost because I had to move and the place wasn't registered so Time Warner Cable can activate my account there for some weird freaking reason. And was difficult waiting hand on foot for any information of when they be able to resolve it.
The schools are something too I never really found because it was such a chore. Keeping track of what lenses i did an did not put on a frame or weapon. I just always like to be able to get the things when I felt like it because there was nothing pressuring me to do so. But now from the looks of this type of content it looks like it's kind of forcing it. Hope I'm wrong because so far I seem to manage just fine. Instill path circuit. But that content looks like it scales a bit higher.
I enjoy the challenge, it's the first new mission type that's actually challenged me since breaking into Steel Path (without weapon arcanes). I don't like the load out restrictions, but I get it, we would trivialize it without. Hopefully DE can figure something out because I feel there are more old, outdated, low damage, weapons with ammo and other usability issues than there are good lvl 500 viable weapons (especially without rivens) so I can see getting stuck with nothing happening more often than not. I think DE saw this issue and built-in two workarounds; 1- forgo trash Vosfor reward, and 2- the tried and true Warframe leaching method. I don't like encouraging the second, it feels like, why even bother having the individual challenges if the meta is going to be run the mission twice while getting carried through one, and ignoring the modifiers completely on the other. Still, it's way better than doing Archon Hunts, just waiting for a health bar to go down (especially after they hampered the fun "game" of trying to get the one-shot). De will probably nerf the difficulty in some way (maybe increase rewards?) within a few months if history is anything to go by, but I'll still hold onto hope for a big rework.
Here's the thing about that one thing you can bring and sacraficing the vosfor reward. You can always mod your warframe to be able to handle this. So you can pick a primary or secondary to always be able to kill stuff. And since you always have 1 piece of gear that you own in each category, you can create an interesting synergy. My first deep archimidea i wanted to solo to get elite. My best options were excal and nidus, and i had laetum. I normally resorted to my operator to regen health, but i didnt have that option, so i used to mod that no one thought of, Life Strike
Why can't DE just quit shoving artifical difficulty at us, and in the worst way they possibly can, I'd rather it be tanky enemies than making me play an entire loadout I enjoy nothing about
Easy ealite guide TLDR: do it 4 times, with 3 players carrying, ignoring loadout restriction, and one of them decked in full worthless gear. Bonus points if one of the carries runs a frame to make everyone else immortal and the other 2 going damage-buff. It really doesnt get easier than that.
I really hope DE doesn't nerf specters being able to be used, i mean they already made those leech guys steal their health so maybe that's all they will do. People rarely seem to use specters so having a mission where they absolutely can come in handy for objective reasons (like the ancient healer for DR or shield osprey for shield buffs) is a good thing.
I personally tend to only do enough to get the last legendary reward. Mostly when im using nova because 75% loss in duration is absolutely unacceptable for survival.
BIG BIG thanks to every tenno out there that carry public lobby. Most of the time i slap gloom to frame of the week that i did not build to help slowing enemies.
I tried to get a proper squad together but yeah struggled finding people with both my clan and with Discord, so I just run in public squads. Quite a bit of gamble whether I get really good or really bad squads. Last time I ended up in a squad with a French, Russian and Turkish person... None of them could speak English and none of them could understand eachother and they kept talking ik chat in their own fucking language
I'm gonna be real here, chief. This ain't it. Most of the new melee arcanes aren't great. A solid boost, I like a couple of them, but I'm in no way hard up for farming them. Archon shards are great. It's still easy enough to run 5 netracells plus an archon hunt plus the one in the shop without dealing with obnoxious gameplay modifiers like, "No energy, lul" or "Use the Stug with Ivara in that defense mission." I just ... don't care about these dumb challenges DE keeps pumping out. Modifiers suck. The most fun I've had in Warframe in like ... 4 years now was Eidolons. I remember fighting the first one, getting wrecked and not knowing what to do. Googling the solution, farming for weeks to kill it, and then realizing that killing ONE was just the START. Then there was the second, I couldn't even survive against it. Me and my friend ran duos on them, farmed up the first Eidolon until we got the parts for a decent amp, worked on frames that could tank the energy draining wave and the eidolon's damage. I started using Madurai as my main focus school instead of Zenurik, and it was FUCKING HYPE when we killed a Hydrolyst for the first time. Deep Archemedian? There won't be any fanfare for that crap. It'll be, "Oh, joy, I have to use a weapon I hate, a frame I hate, and these modifiers make the game harder and less enjoyable, so I can get rewards that make... what easier?" Eidolons we were grinding towards an end goal, a big boss monster to finish off and then farm. DA? ...nothing. There's nothing. Other than getting that ugly eyeball to prove we did it, there's nothing.
I have friends but unfortunately they don't play often and even if they do, a sortie is high enough difficulty for them so no way could they handle this.
I don't feel much incentive to do Deep Archimedea. Sure, you can get more rewards at once than you can in Netracells, but they're all the same types of rewards, and I'm in no hurry to farm them.
its been almost 2 months since i started playing warframe i can do netracells if someone carry my ass because both of my frames are glass cannon i cant pick all keys if i change my builds i cant kill shiet i am half way to getting deep archimedea i dont know if will be able to play it even XD
Deep archimedia is good but random load outs suck ....I cleaned out my inventory of all trash weapons so that only good weapons can appear and it's working
I rolled all 3 of the frames I don't have this week, as well as not owning any of the primaries in my selection. I've never thrown anything away and am mr28, sucks to suck lol
1st time i did deep archamedia i knew i would only do it again if it had good frames in rotation, the rewards just aren't worth the stress and boredom of having to play with shit gear and rely on specters to do most of the damage
I just unlocked this mode and I have a question. - It cost 2 pulses to play and you can do it as much as you like, right? That's why you said you can do 2:2 team at 9:20
Yes and yes. 2 pulses unlocks unlimited tries for the week, even after getting all rewards. Each reward tier can only be earned once per week regardless of the number of attempts made.
So 262+52+52=366 archon shards a year. Thats pretty good. But maybe they shouldnt just add archin shards to every new update or they will become as common as mods. Value comes from both useflness and rarity. We are in a very diffetent situation to year ago where fusing 3 and then again 2 would be a waste of 3 entire weeks of shards. Now we get more than 1 per day
@@SolymribnWaliBarad im talking trade value, just the perceived value of shards compared to how much we can get. If de were to keep increasing the ways to get them even faster they will be so common we cant even call this an "endgame" reward anymore.
Only slightly challenging but incredibly more frustrating, and barely better rewards than doing a regular Netracell. Archimedea is a huge failure to me. I did it two weeks ago, and the Alchemy portion of the triple mission took 53 minutes because the game would go 3-4 minutes between dropping an amphore, and each amphore only raised the mix percentage by about 5%. It was pure, agonizing frustration.
@@wtfman2049 An arcane I don't care about? Entrati Lanthorns I already have over 200 of? Slightly better chance at an archon shard? Where is this "way better" reward?
@@Matuseyou get three more chances at getting at archon shard. That's like doing 3 extra Netracells every week, or even better than that since the percentages for tauforged shards are higher
seems the random table drops aren't so random first 3 times I got 2 tau forged and 1 crescendo and 1 dup arcane this happened when a founder was in the group but next 3 0 tauforged and one crescendo. melee adapters and yellow reg shards playing with lower ranked players (I only play with random public players). The guessing the drop rate algorithm for this game is skewd and is based on how much actual money you have spent on the the game. If it is I think fair enough...
In this world there are only those who sucks and those who want to suck and I am neither. Cause I am not ranking it to level 5. It's fucking the standing cap again.
Man, the duration is though... And even it gave me to use Voruna and Baruuk, still, these enemies seems to ignore the shieldgate and hit me with everything
some of the missions/modifiers for EDA aren't fun at all. some are, I hope DE can keep the difficulty, but also adjust the RNG to not be too random for the selected parameters for weapons. mirror defense's Eximus summoning point needs to be moved further away on the second defense point, too close for comfort imo even in light of "mission difficulty" expecting a multiplayer focused game's hard-mode/endgame to cater towards solo play is insanity, of course (not saying that doing an EDA is impossible solo; it is just very clinical in precision required from the player)
Finally a challenge that will actually be worth it I'm looking forward to trying it for myself but first I'm preparing every warframe and weapon I've to sp levels before trying deep archimedea myself
I stopped playing when Archon hunts were introduced. I heard "weekly" and just said, fuck this shit, I'm out. (Not the only reason, but that was what finally did it) Great to hear they introduced even more weekly shit. While I appreciate that you can get the shards in a more reasonable timeframe now, and that's probably ok, I hate this artificial limitation. They are literally implementing a system to make you not play certain parts. If I enjoy certain content, I want to keep playing it, and not be forced to constantly wait. I don't know, maybe it's dogshit - I've not played any of the weeklies - but I absolutely hate this.
Did max challenges with a good random group last night finished every mission and got the worst rewards and only one shard. Last week did only half the challenges and got three shards. The last reward tier isn't even worth it imo.
Highest tier requirement: Have a friend.
Bonus if you can play dante+styanax with them
one time someone called me for help. So I re-did DA with whatever setup I wanted. My friend got rewards for basically calling me in and not leaving.
I just spam pubs and win in 2-3. idk
Me vs my noob randons
I always just join squads in recruit. Almost always 2-3 legendary 4 players.
lost me at "curated squad" we dont do that round these parts, public matchmaking or solo forever
Absolutely. Always laugh when I see content creators or people on Reddit say this can't be done with pubs. I've done the Elite version with pubs every week so far with no problems (outside of the first couple hours after it came out, when people were still gauging how it all worked: mostly too many newbies that didn't realize the immortal liminus would kill them so fast)
It's all luck based. There's a lot of people in public who just expect to get carried. Reminds me of the one time I went into an eidolon hunt in public. Somebody was frost, for some fucked up reason. So I'd rather do it solo, or with friends I know can do well on their own, than have to babysit.
Random ain't so bad been doing them in public squads not soo bad !
@@jamesogeto3061 I am also surprised it hasn't been so bad pugging this. Normal netracell pugs are worse.
@@andieg8615 yeah just have a good 1 good weapon so that you can kill enemies
A little tip for Mirror Defense: If you spawn the Necramech eximus within the last 5-10 seconds of the round, its spawn animation will eat up all the time left in the round, and it'll die during the transition to the next wave without you having to do anything. The next wave will then start with 1:45 on the timer, and you can repeat this at the end of rounds 2 and 3. Then you can challenge the one on the last round normally
Likely a bug, will probably get patched, but a really useful tip to shave that time off even if your squad isn't necessarily capable of defeating the mechs normally
This carried me hard last week
Hopefully it stays for some time
Also, use ancient Eximus healer specters!
@@winnerdiego4562no consumables
Another tip: There are no restrictions for companions, so you are free to bring your favorite/best companion.
For me, I usually run a sentinel with Duplex Bond and Verglas with Shivering Contagion. The extra crowd control really helps me with survivability and Mirror Defense.
EDIT: I also run Sacrifice on the sentinel just in case. It actually saved my runs a few times.
Oh hey bluprint
My favorite part is how more than half of the equipment in Warframe isn't worth using.
That's why we usually have variations.
My 2nd favorite part is how I don't have enough weapon slots for that same half of the equipment
@@kaiserium8551 that just comes with time. Invest in trades with players, buy more slots or ask friends if they can gift it to you.
My favourite part is having an account I've invested a lot of time into and being rewarded for my diverse array of equipment.
my 2nd favorite part is the limit to the # of riven slots we have so it's not even worth maxing any non-meta weapons
Having a friend you can rotate bringing meta gear with to take turns carrying each other is how i beat the mirror defense last week
I think they will patch this. its bypassing the mechanics in a way i think its undermining the achievement.
@@icesharkk6399 how would they patch this, though?
@@ric6611quite easily? Limit it to one completion per week
@@undisabled1552what if you only did a lower tier and wanted to go again for better rewards?
@@undisabled1552 Not a great solution, now if you wanted to try more challenges you can't. You unlocked elite DA? Well, play it next week. Everyone will be pressed to try it with all the challenges, or not do it at all. It will be frustrating because you don't want to underevaluate your own capacity or you won't get another shot.
If they did that the unhappiness from the community wouldn't be worth it.
Between Deep Archimedea and Circuit, it seems necessary now to build every warframe and have the best variant of every weapon.
I believe that's the true end game. Have every single frame and weapon in the game fully forma'd.
Think it's easier to have a build on all warframes and then gamble on the weapons
I think it's good to encourage players to experiment and learn how to to use various weapons in the game instead of the same 4 ones your most comfortable with.
It also means the more weapons/Warframes you master (as in learn how to properly mod and use them) the better your chances are of getting a 'good' Loadout in Archimedea or Duviri.
I love using new weapons in the circuit but if I ever see the Stug once I unlock Deep Archimedia I'm going to be offended.
the vampyric enemys alone are the biggest hurddle for pug groups from what ive noticed, seen them drop like flys trying to chain revive
I failed my first elite archimidea this week because of it. Our khora went down because of them. Then i tried tanking them for long enough to get the revive off, but i failed
It's literally like having 10 toxic procs on you per second. It bypasses shield gating, which is how most frames do endgame content.
Fortunately they are vulnerable to some CC. Limbo Stasis trivialised it last week; and this week I found out that Creeping Terrify's 80% slow applies to them, which is great because it's Nekros' Helminth subsumed so you can put it on any frame, and get a pretty good Armour strip to boot
You mean those invincible guys with the death aura?
They should at least get a hard-core nerf to their immunities. I hate how last week when I got Khora as a choice that even when I passed on the "-75% ability duration" debuff that I used Khora's Ensnare (one of very few crowd control abilities that works on the Liminus enemies) with about 231% ability duration, which should give Ensnare a 30-second duration, but because of how broken overpowered those things are Ensnare with a 231% ability duration only lasts 1-2 seconds on them. I get this is supposed to be end-game content, but this is just plain ridiculous and unreasonable.
One thing Ken neglected to mention:
Your equipped Heavy Weapon (aka Archgun with gravmag) IS deployable in Deep Archimedea and AFAIK there's no variable restricting their use.
very useful info to have if you got stuck with a crappy loadout
There is a modifier that disables EVERY gear if i remember correctly
@@Artikz_ Correct. I've had that modifier, it completely blocks all equipment usage.
@@hexerin fair enough, had not run into that one myself, hence "AFAIK"
And the things about ammo drop and ammo drain. It would be even harder time without a Lavos
@@SecretData001 Don't need to take a lavos, having a pocket Protea specter helps
7:50 Elite crew members have a trait where killing an enemy heals all nearby allies by 500 over 10 seconds, which includes the defense objective. Not a lot, but it's something.
Also, these on call crew members seems to bypass some damage restriction on the enemies, I give them Kuva Zarr, and it hits those Necramechs pretty hard. If the mission didn't restrict your item wheel, they'll make your run easier.
I don't think there's any Bypassing ... They just Deal more Damage than We Do.... And they Never Reload. 😳
Back when we had the event in which we could fight the wolf of saturn six over and over again for free, I gave my crewmate a kuva zarr, flew to his spawn as fast as possible with wukong and just watched as my buddy 2 shot him. When I tried using the same zarr build myself, it just sucked. I farmed a bunch of sets of his hammer.
One thing you kind of glossed over is that archguns are not considered for the gear selection either, so if the transference restriction is in play you still have access to a fairly strong heavy hitter in case your other weapons are weak and not built out. As long as the double whammy of no operator or gear wheel items are not on there's no reason to not have a competent weapon available for at least a significant amount of each mission.
0:04 my what now?🤨
Arsenal😂
I love having to choose between an un-forma'd Nukor, the Shitotron, and a Stug. This is fantastic game design.
Nukor doesn't even need a forma. Thing is cranked
Warframe players when the content specifically catered to end game players caters to end game players
@@711_skiddlz my bad I should have invested in MR Fodder weapon #43
@@711_skiddlz
>endgame mission
>crappy weapons I've never bothered to hold on to because they are, well, crappy
Ah yes, extremely engaging gameplay design by DE.
Hopefully in the next update, the missions themselves are gonna be random as well, you're only gonna know what you have to do once you've loaded in the map.
@@grev3471 skill issue get better at the game
Since you can skip one parameter and still get all the rewards, I think Kullervo is extremly good in these missions. Got a shit weapon/warframe choices ? Just take Kullervo with rest of parameters, take any melee weapon from the selection and mod it for heavy attack. Big damage and good survivability in one. It kinda sucks againts some enemies (murmur boss, some flying enemies), but I had a lot of succes with this in pubs. This is my go to strategy if RNG decides to give me bad options.
Baruuk is also a great "I hate all of this, just let me have one degree of freedom" pick. Requires no weapons and doesn't mind most of the debuffs. Building Dante for his book is also a pretty solid move. It'll be weaker than Kullervo or Baruuk in terms of damage output, but the support options he has can make up for that if you're in a public group.
Now that Chroma has had an augment mod added that really helps keep his Vex Armor up, I would love to see a breakdown of how his Vex Armor stacks up to other damage abilities, including the reworked Eclipse
this would be a lot more fun if there were more weapons viable at high levels, right now it just feels like a lottery of if you're allowed to be helpful or if you'll need to be carried
All weapons are "viable" at high levels. Even the Cronus can kill a Rogue Necramech if you invest in it. What you meant to say is "as good as the Torid Incarnon"
@@CrashSableStop this nonsense. No, not everyone has the time or plat or time to earn plat. In order to buy rivens and forma an item several times every week.
You act like this game isn't broken in this element. This week I'm here with no weapons I have invested in before, I'm down 300 platinum on buying rivens and forma to make this work. I've got 3 frames that all focus on CC and somehow I've gotta help on the effervo boss with no ability duration to CC the adds.
Short story: I will need to be carried.
@@monkaeyes3417 thinking you even need a riven to do anything in high level is stupid, everyone's been asking for endgame and when its not accesible by newer players you're mad? Thats the whole point of an endgame lmao
@@sansy279 you have an unrealistic expectation for what an "endgame" player is. Someone with a full inventory of invested in weapons is not an endgame player. That is a no-life player.
@@monkaeyes3417lmao, this is endgame, if you don't have the necessary stuff that means THIS ISNT FOR YOU
Why do you believe you're entitled to being able to breeze through any content in the game? So many games have endgames that players have to work towards, this is Warframe's endgame.
You are so salty it's really funny, in another reply you said someone with a fully upgraded arsenal is a no loser, no, some of us have been playing for close to 10 years and FINALLY we have our endgame, just like wow does, just like FFXIV does, just like GW2 does.
New players shouldn't be able to easily finish any content in the game, that's the point of progression.
Also, you have normal netracell runs, which are a lot easier for newbies and also have great rewards
Stop complaining about this game having an endgame, it's pathetic, you want everything served on a silver platter, why? Didn't you play any other games in your entire life or something? Literally every mmo has content dedicated for the high level, highly geared players.
Jesus Christ, people like you are dragging this community down, you literally lack any sense.
Another damage source worth discussing--your sentinel.
Verglas is a reasonable heat-stacker, and adding Fired Up to your sentinel config gives it an extra heat mod. It's enough to whittle down enemies passively, even if your guns are poor, and can make up for bad weapon choices.
Cant call gear lottery a challenge.
Well it is more on mastering your stuff to be honest
You can if you have all the Gear Fully Potatoed and Formad.
@@lookalike4805In other words being allergic to touching grass
@@КирилКирилов-в1оin other words, maybe this is endgame that's only made for endgame players?
Just like wow? Just like FFXIV? Just like GW2? Just like destiny 2? Just like any mmo that has a dedicated piece of content for people that have reached endgame?
You literally have the easier version, netracells so you don't cry about missing rewards.
Crybabies, crybabies everywhere
@@Kuran1986mf i am an end game player but half the weapons in the game is unplayable garbage and like half of the normally ''playable'' ones are not playable in deep archimedea you are not an end game player, you are just a no life loser that has everything useless in the game maxed out if you have no problems with the game mode
Being given a good frame, but no ability duration for the things that make that frame good is fantastic. Being given a single useful gun but 75% less ammo returns from drops is fantastic. Being given a good melee, but losing energy every second you're close to an enemy is fantastic. Being presented with all of these options simultaneously is fantastic.
This game mode is fantastic.
I had Rhino, Braton, Brakk and Praedos this week, so opted to skip the abbreviated abilities modifier. He worked really rather well against the boss, despite my somewhat halfbaked build for him.
I think the best tip i can offer for public matchmakers is always assume you have to do everything yourself. This means if you see revenant in your selection but theres a mirror defense in the missions, pick the CC warframe instead. If your the only CC player then you picked well, if someone else also picked a CC then you just win more.
Every warframe these days can survive and deal big damage, selecting warframes that do only these things in public matchmaking is almost always being a detriment to the squad
the issue i take with the dealing with modifier section of the video where you say to use certain frames or weapons to get around them is that the mode limits what you can bring and you really only have one flex spot. this can be a problem when you have multiple bad modifiers like low duration, no operator and limited ammo.
There's actually a lot that can be done with just that one flex slot. Carrier or scavenger mods are a great tool for the ammo issues. Loss of operator can hurt if you rely on it for your energy econ, but still utilizing the passive energy cost reduction of Zenurik alongside arcane energize, arcane steadfast, energy nexus, archon stretch where applicable, or even the energy regen aura if needed can buy you just enough leeway to make it through. As for duration, that may just be what you burn the flex slot for it you rolled only frames that very much need that stat.
And if you're rebuttal is "Well what if I dont have energize or steadfast? What if my build needs X or Y that the modifiers are blocking." Well then...
You might not be ready for Deep Archimedia.
This is a weird time as it's been commonplace that whatever new version of endgame added with every patch has been doable with a relatively non-optimized, run of the mill build that a lot of long term players just have the items for sitting around. Deep Archimedia is not that. It is supposed to be a challenge. You're suppose to have to work for it.
For instance, I rolled Wisp, miter, Dual Furis, and Ruvox the week. My wisp prime is a bit under where it should be, so I couldve absolutely taken the time to put some form in to get her fully prepped. My ruvox isnt even fully evolved and I couldve finished that out. However, I specifically made the point of finally getting the miter incarnation genesis (which was an hour in duviri farming Tasoma), then put a potato and 2 forma into this gun that I hadn't touched since I got it to level 30 and promised myself I'd get around to the incarnon eventually. Even then, it still took 2 or 3 runs to complete.
Yes, DA is hard and requires you to work for your build.
That's the point.
@@themonkeys96this is an attempt at hoping you buy plat to get mostly everything you need from DE. Nothing else.
@@stefanlewis7773 Or it's actual endgame content finally and you're just bad. Warframe has one of the least predatory F2P models on the market, yet you're saying they just randomly abandoned it? Cope.
@@themonkeys96 simps gonna simp I guess. l've had no problem finishing elite archimedia.
If you think that making enemies immune or invulnerable and removing your abilities are good game mechanics then you're more stupid than I thought.
@@themonkeys96 "you're just bad at the game" as if warframe requires any skill.🤣 I guess killing braindead AI make you feel good about your "skill."
DE is somewhat reasonable with mtx 's because it's necessary, if they choose to be greedy the game will die.
They've tried unreasonable monetization like the recent heirloom skin and quickly apologized and stated they would change any others going forward.
My dumb ass didn't know about the little toggle switch about elite archimedea. Thank you for showing that
The amount of loot you get from Elite DA is crazy, but completely justified seeing as it's a weekly and the gear check is massive.
Deep Archimedea sounds fun ... but I doubt I will ever be able to do it. I simply don't put enough time into Warframe to have a large arsenal and endgame builds ready to go. I don't even have Primed Surefooted yet.
damn I feel ya… I guess this is the true endgame players have been crying for years
i did all my deep archimedea without any prime mods
@@flowerofash4439 missed the point 🤦🏽♂️
i unlocked that last week and it was super easy. last week i had inaros and furis and jsut ran through it, this week i had only boar as usable weapon, built it up, used a revenant with tharros strike in the flex slot doe to duration decrease and it was super easy again
the mode where you subsume decoy on a new frame every week
Don't even need Decoy, EA is super easy
cool
for me it is gloom for the defense
@@wtfman2049 Until you get Overguard modifier and then Gloom becomes useless. Decoy has the highest target priority in the game, even higher than defense targets, that's why its useful for this stuff.
Why decoy?
Found this gamemode on accident, went in normal archimedea 1 point short of elite. What a surprise. I havent sweated so much in warframe since arbitrations were first added.
“I can’t plat my way to a social life!!!” - TheKengineer 2024 😂
You can also cheese this with a single friend. One person takes a damage buff frame with optimal weapons and modifiers off while the other guy has all modifiers on and uses revenant with the mesmer skin augment for squad survivability. You only miss out on 50 phosphor that way.
I have a very limited amount of weapons and warframes, so no matter what, I can always use something good. The only difficulty are the debuffs you can get.
Something you didnt mention at the start: The selection of Warframes and Weapons you're given will *always* contain one you own for every category, and always in the first column of choices. (Tested on an Mr0 account on release.)
I didn't mention it because I've had reports to the contrary.
You tested an MR0 account's selection in Deep Archimedea, content that requires you to have maxed out the Cavia's rank which is content after New War?
You're going to have to walk me through that one.
@@Joe90hjust don't rank up I suppose. Doesn't feel very practical for any reason though, so I can't see that being done.
@@TheKengineer I'll add my voice to those who can confirm that there absolutely isn't any kind of protection(s) in place. I have no idea where that rumor started, but it's absolutely false. You can absolutely get a choice between three things you don't own, which makes it impossible to get full research that week unless you go out and grind one of the equipment you're missing from those three options.
@GhostlyPancakeTheOddMancake
I don't think that's Possible.... I'm almost Certain Defeating Vay Hek is either a Junction Requirement or a Main Quest Requirement.... And that node is MR Locked.
The only way around it is for Accounts that Cleared it before The Locks were put in place (your Account would need to be atleast 6 Years Old)
My squad crashed while doin the assassination, there was just too much goin on 😭
Doing assassination was hell, thought my xbox was going to explode at some point XD
@@Marin117.Yh that fight is a nightmare on last gen consoles
Hidden Difficulty Unlocked 👀
It almost killed my eyes with effects and screen shake
As an mr9 player I’ll stick to Netracells 😅
Thanks for the vid! I have far better grasp in terms of their challenge and reward pools. Unfortunately, all my friends quit warframe and I just got back from rather long rest. I guess it's a time to call back mates from discord and rank up the sanctum first.
Tough challenge, aka bring the Laetum modded for radiation and solo it.
DE really went all in tailoring to hardcore endgame players with this. I can tell because I feel alone in enjoying the random arsenal and the damage puzzles it presents and always go solo. Week 1 took 8 attempts and I loved every second of the challenge.
Meanwhile the "endgame" part of the game is stupidly easy, it should have been level 800-1000 enemies for elite, make it proper endgame, I put together a really bad build this week and beat EA with no struggles
@@mightymushroom4980There’s really not much of a difference between lvl 300-400 and lvl 800-1,000 enemies aside from almost requiring armor strip methods for the latter.
That doesn’t make it more difficult, it just makes it so you have to put two emerald shards on every frame you choose for it.
@@SmoothTurtle840 More like their survivability barely changes but you're forced to shieldgating on nearly all frames (not very fun). I think the levels are fine rn.
@@mightymushroom4980 And people are still finding a way to bitch. Like... you can forgo one of the limitations, just bring Revenant subsumed with something useful and half the problem is already removed, if you're REALLY unlucky and have no usable weapon too, just bring Octavia subsumed with something useful.
I swear half of the playerbase wants to run 1 frame, and 3 weapons for the entire game, in A LOOTER shooter inspired game.
A week feels too short to invest in a limited selection build, every week. Wish this was almost biweekly. Like this gets me using less used options & makes me want to invest to prepare but it's rough.
for the power of friendship part, i was told my clanmates that they patched it and all people have to have the same amount of modifyers equiped, so that you cant get carried anymore
The only downside I have to the alchemy archimedea is the invincible variable. It's tedious to do but even more so solo because the spawns and drops are built around rng, so you'll have what I did when I first tried it solo, where I spent 45 minutes running around trying to bait the game into spawning something I could actually KILL because the enemies remaining were all covered in an aura that I didn't have an amphor for. I shouldn't be watching my watch waiting for the invincible minion to spawn the big huge threat of the map just to have something to kill to MAYBE have a chance at progressing the mission, because otherwise it's a game of chicken where I can't kill them and they can't kill me. Increase the spawns/drops, and I'll have zero issues that I feel need addressing. This is a great game mode otherwise.
0:04 Put your WHAT TO THE TEST?
Arsenal
Arse and all
Great video, really well explained. Unfortunately after watching this I have zero incentive to actually play Deep Archimedia - it seems like a misstep by DE that excludes the everyday player who is there for some fun, as opposed to those that have active clans, time to grind up equipment and actually grind this mode. It just sounds terrible for the game as alienates the general playerbase. Duviri at least seems more inclined to include all players.
Don't take it the wrong way, but there already is gazillion things to do just for fun, while i understand your POV, it is crucial to also understand those players who want more difficulty/challenge and rewards.
No way your complaining that an endgame game mode is for endgame players
@MagikarpMan but your everyday player is most likely an endgame player if they have deep archimedea available to them, they just do not live for the sole purpose of playing warframe.
@@beegyoshi1685you don't need to live for the sole purpose of playing Warframe to do deep arch media, if Ur an endgame player you have many weapons and many frames so eda should be no problem even for casual players. I'm a casual player and i do it just fine
Just play the other 99% of the game ffs. You don't NEED to be able to face roll every piece of content in the game.
It's soo good to play ONLY as one Warframe, i don't need to farm that many Archon Shards
Well, about challenge. Problem is, if you don't get any good frames and weapons and there is one of 3 debuffs present (75% less duration/2 Manadrain per second per enemy/75% less efficiency). The only playable warframe option is inaros. And you have no way to deal damage, since your weapons are all trash. So you are stuck unless somebody can carry.
Yes i know specters are pretty good. But if those are locked, operator won't be enough to carry you.
Build Issue 🤔
Skill issue
Honestly idek why i watched the whole vid cause i've already did 3 max reward runs, guud vid
Also: If the mission didn't disable equipment ABUSE on-call crew from railjack, they can bring any unrestricted gun
i barely farmed archon shards before taking a break from warframe. i come back and see all of T H I S. reminder to never take a break right before mass story progression and updates
Got home just in time for this. Heck yeah
As someone who doesn't want to deal with "friends", I'm just approaching Deep Archimedea as a maybe each week. If it looks like I can have a good run, I'll do it, otherwise I'll just do 5 Netracells. The only advantages of doing Deep Archimedea are that it will be faster to get a full ranked Crescendo and Duplicate and extra Archon Shards. For the first, I don't really care, I'll get them eventually. For the second, now that we can FINALLY combine shards into Tauforged (should have been in the game from the start, despite Ken's other video), I'm at the point where I don't even need the shards anymore and I'm just building up stockpiles for frames that I might eventually get to investing in.
This late but, congratulations for 100k subs
I absolutely love this. It's challenging enough that you can't just max it out and take all the items it says without even thinking about it, you actually have to consider all the options and at least make sure one frame or weapon is adequate for the mission, or sacrifice the vosfor to bring a frame/weapon you prefer or shut off a modifier you REALLY hate, like abbreviated abilities for me last week.
I REALLY hope DE continues in the same vein of difficulty and gear restrictions to force people to actually git gud and not just use whatever the meta weapon is. My only change for this would be making the mission non-repeatable unless you're running it at an equal or higher level to any previous runs of the week, to prevent carry swaps between players trivializing the content by just bringing top tier meta gear then having a friend do the same.
gear restriction is not fun if you want to limit yourself go ahead but dont forth others so when so many weapons are trash
@@redlord4321 Right, people act like anyone can just create an account and have a Torid Incarnon with 8 Forma, a Potato and Arcane in 2 months, EVERYONE that has meta weapons worked hard for them, they may not have created the builds, but they still had to built the normal Torid, still had to grind SP Circuit for the Adapter, grind the currencies, unlock the challenges, forma the weapon 8 times, not to mention all the steps that are not directly tied to meta but still take a long time (unlocking Steel Path, farming Arcanes and Adapters, farming and maxing lvl 10 mods that are expensive as fuck, etc), it takes a long time to get there, and these people deserve the "power" they have.
Like, i'm not against what they are doing with Archimedea, i don't have it unlocked yet, but the concept is super cool, reminds me a bit of GW2 Fractals, but if the entire end game turn into "restriction fest" it will become old and boring very fast.
That final 50 vosfur ani't worth it chief
@@redlord4321 Friend, I was stuck with an ammo limitation and my secondary options were the stug, aegrit, or twin kohmak. With primary choices that were also pretty atrocious, and my only good melee option being the Keratinos. It made me think of a creative way to do the missions and use the gear presented, which is awesome!
If you aren't fond of the gear limitations, you can always ignore them for lesser rewards, or simply run netracells instead with the 2 charges you would use for deep archimedea. That's the beauty of this game, and especially this system, we can all choose to play it however we enjoy.
@@redlord4321skill issue
This is endgame, dedicated for endgame players, just like wow, FFXIV, gw2, D2 and any other mmo have.
You literally have the easier version, netracells, if you arsenal isn't good enough for this.
Let us have our fucking endgame and stop crying
I don't have any friends and still manage to do every week of elite deep with random PUGs. A couple failed attempts are still less work than socializing with someone for weeks and convincing them to start playing WF! I'm sure Ken would agree after he runs the numbers...
So far really enjoying this content. I have put more forma into weapons so they are usable, tweaked builds and it's actually a challenge! Also pretty sure I've earnt more tau shards in a few weeks than from archons!!
Really great game mode😊
Just need more friends 😂😂😂
Everyone has already said it. Just load in with a Revenant Prime or Dante and then follow them around like a puppy while they wipe the missions for you.
I was lucky on my first archimedea last week to have my Excal umbra with wrathful advance. Melting everything even though i had scuffed weapons otherwise.
It just sounds tedious. Not being able to choose your gear is a big no no.
Just have a friend carry you and vice versa taking turns.
Honestly think it's geared at players who have been playing a long time with a lot built out and are just looking to be challenged
@CreEpeRneSs125 You do realize this only shows how poor the design is, right? Carry me / I'll carry you to skip the difficulty. Thats... not good game design.
If there was no random load outs, this wouldn't be challenging at all. The players have far to much strength to just allow us to bring whatever we want
@@thesinhoundThat’s only if you want to get around the weapon requirements and modifiers. It’s going to be tedious if you remove the difficulty from it, similar to how not running steel path mission variants will result in more time to get the same level of loot.
I LOVE THE KENGINEER!!!
Elite DA is a hell of an ass kick but also really does kick ass. I found some work-arounds to some restrictions though.
Running straight to extraction quickly can outrun the duviri health suckers permanently in exterminate. (Haven’t tried survival.)
Activating the Necramech right before switching defense targets in mirror defense will count the kill even though it’s the mission clear that does the work.
best explanation since deep archemedia dropped
Another weapon you can bring is your archwing weapon, mod it accordingly!
This is starting to sound a little bit frustrating.
Primarily played this game solo all my life for 10-11
Years and was always somewhat satisfied with what you could get done by yourself.
But because of the Pacific things I may have to use and I might have not invested in as well.
This looks like it's going to force me to try and find people and do things like otherwise don't like.
Similar to the frustrations people facing raids like destiny.
The idea of trying to find people in coordinator build just sounds exhausting.
And I'm legendary master rank 3.
A little bit more than a year ago I've been on and off the game a lot so I missed out on really farming all shards
And mow the big game stuff.
I was on and off and taking breaks because I was having eye issues and dog trauma issues.
And there was an issue for Ford almost 6 months of Internet lost because I had to move and the place wasn't registered so Time Warner Cable can activate my account there for some weird freaking reason.
And was difficult waiting hand on foot for any information of when they be able to resolve it.
The schools are something too I never really found because it was such a chore.
Keeping track of what lenses i did an did not put on a frame or weapon.
I just always like to be able to get the things when I felt like it because there was nothing pressuring me to do so.
But now from the looks of this type of content it looks like it's kind of forcing it.
Hope I'm wrong because so far I seem to manage just fine.
Instill path circuit.
But that content looks like it scales a bit higher.
I enjoy the challenge, it's the first new mission type that's actually challenged me since breaking into Steel Path (without weapon arcanes). I don't like the load out restrictions, but I get it, we would trivialize it without.
Hopefully DE can figure something out because I feel there are more old, outdated, low damage, weapons with ammo and other usability issues than there are good lvl 500 viable weapons (especially without rivens) so I can see getting stuck with nothing happening more often than not. I think DE saw this issue and built-in two workarounds; 1- forgo trash Vosfor reward, and 2- the tried and true Warframe leaching method.
I don't like encouraging the second, it feels like, why even bother having the individual challenges if the meta is going to be run the mission twice while getting carried through one, and ignoring the modifiers completely on the other.
Still, it's way better than doing Archon Hunts, just waiting for a health bar to go down (especially after they hampered the fun "game" of trying to get the one-shot).
De will probably nerf the difficulty in some way (maybe increase rewards?) within a few months if history is anything to go by, but I'll still hold onto hope for a big rework.
Here's the thing about that one thing you can bring and sacraficing the vosfor reward. You can always mod your warframe to be able to handle this. So you can pick a primary or secondary to always be able to kill stuff. And since you always have 1 piece of gear that you own in each category, you can create an interesting synergy.
My first deep archimidea i wanted to solo to get elite. My best options were excal and nidus, and i had laetum. I normally resorted to my operator to regen health, but i didnt have that option, so i used to mod that no one thought of, Life Strike
As a player who only has 3 warframes that could probably haddle deep archimedea makes me relize I need to start building other frames
Why can't DE just quit shoving artifical difficulty at us, and in the worst way they possibly can, I'd rather it be tanky enemies than making me play an entire loadout I enjoy nothing about
Some people like using the *Aklato* ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
DE are addicted to gambling
Easy ealite guide TLDR: do it 4 times, with 3 players carrying, ignoring loadout restriction, and one of them decked in full worthless gear. Bonus points if one of the carries runs a frame to make everyone else immortal and the other 2 going damage-buff. It really doesnt get easier than that.
I really hope DE doesn't nerf specters being able to be used, i mean they already made those leech guys steal their health so maybe that's all they will do. People rarely seem to use specters so having a mission where they absolutely can come in handy for objective reasons (like the ancient healer for DR or shield osprey for shield buffs) is a good thing.
I personally tend to only do enough to get the last legendary reward. Mostly when im using nova because 75% loss in duration is absolutely unacceptable for survival.
BIG BIG thanks to every tenno out there that carry public lobby.
Most of the time i slap gloom to frame of the week that i did not build to help slowing enemies.
I tried to get a proper squad together but yeah struggled finding people with both my clan and with Discord, so I just run in public squads. Quite a bit of gamble whether I get really good or really bad squads. Last time I ended up in a squad with a French, Russian and Turkish person... None of them could speak English and none of them could understand eachother and they kept talking ik chat in their own fucking language
amazing
Gonna be inpossible without Revenant, zephyr, or valkyr
I'm gonna be real here, chief. This ain't it. Most of the new melee arcanes aren't great. A solid boost, I like a couple of them, but I'm in no way hard up for farming them. Archon shards are great. It's still easy enough to run 5 netracells plus an archon hunt plus the one in the shop without dealing with obnoxious gameplay modifiers like, "No energy, lul" or "Use the Stug with Ivara in that defense mission." I just ... don't care about these dumb challenges DE keeps pumping out. Modifiers suck. The most fun I've had in Warframe in like ... 4 years now was Eidolons. I remember fighting the first one, getting wrecked and not knowing what to do. Googling the solution, farming for weeks to kill it, and then realizing that killing ONE was just the START. Then there was the second, I couldn't even survive against it. Me and my friend ran duos on them, farmed up the first Eidolon until we got the parts for a decent amp, worked on frames that could tank the energy draining wave and the eidolon's damage. I started using Madurai as my main focus school instead of Zenurik, and it was FUCKING HYPE when we killed a Hydrolyst for the first time.
Deep Archemedian? There won't be any fanfare for that crap. It'll be, "Oh, joy, I have to use a weapon I hate, a frame I hate, and these modifiers make the game harder and less enjoyable, so I can get rewards that make... what easier?" Eidolons we were grinding towards an end goal, a big boss monster to finish off and then farm. DA? ...nothing. There's nothing. Other than getting that ugly eyeball to prove we did it, there's nothing.
I like eda, I think it's fun and the rewards are cool 👍🏾
I lost my mind when I saw 75% reduced ability duration....like wtf?? Strip us naked and makes us play that mode
I have friends but unfortunately they don't play often and even if they do, a sortie is high enough difficulty for them so no way could they handle this.
I don't feel much incentive to do Deep Archimedea. Sure, you can get more rewards at once than you can in Netracells, but they're all the same types of rewards, and I'm in no hurry to farm them.
I never did kahl missions so I need a lot of shards for my arsenal so gotta do them but they're not so hard do then normal archimedia it's not so hard
its been almost 2 months since i started playing warframe i can do netracells if someone carry my ass because both of my frames are glass cannon i cant pick all keys if i change my builds i cant kill shiet i am half way to getting deep archimedea i dont know if will be able to play it even XD
Deep archimedia is good but random load outs suck ....I cleaned out my inventory of all trash weapons so that only good weapons can appear and it's working
All the loadout options can include Frames/Weapons you don't own so that wont help. It'll actually make you have less options
Man you shouldve researched this 1st lmaoo the game will still roll equipment you don't own
Imagine an endgame activity needing you to have an endgame level amount of options
I rolled all 3 of the frames I don't have this week, as well as not owning any of the primaries in my selection. I've never thrown anything away and am mr28, sucks to suck lol
@@Marin117. nope it alway rolls atleast one weapon i own in my inventory
I have no friends so playing with a team isn't an option. Gonna solo.
1st time i did deep archamedia i knew i would only do it again if it had good frames in rotation, the rewards just aren't worth the stress and boredom of having to play with shit gear and rely on specters to do most of the damage
That Sounds like a Build Issue 🤔
or skill issue
🤣always the skill issue
This week i got lucky, its volt and tenet diplos. I finally got the eye decoration
Me thinking I made good progress in Warframe: :D
Me after this the new content dropped: D:
I just unlocked this mode and I have a question.
- It cost 2 pulses to play and you can do it as much as you like, right? That's why you said you can do 2:2 team at 9:20
Yes and yes. 2 pulses unlocks unlimited tries for the week, even after getting all rewards. Each reward tier can only be earned once per week regardless of the number of attempts made.
This some anime level of the Power of Friendship. 😂
So 262+52+52=366 archon shards a year. Thats pretty good. But maybe they shouldnt just add archin shards to every new update or they will become as common as mods. Value comes from both useflness and rarity. We are in a very diffetent situation to year ago where fusing 3 and then again 2 would be a waste of 3 entire weeks of shards. Now we get more than 1 per day
What value? They're untradable.
@@SolymribnWaliBarad im talking trade value, just the perceived value of shards compared to how much we can get. If de were to keep increasing the ways to get them even faster they will be so common we cant even call this an "endgame" reward anymore.
12:58 the redditor guy is right tho, I have no friends to play WF. Those mf all play League, fps or survival games 😭
Only slightly challenging but incredibly more frustrating, and barely better rewards than doing a regular Netracell. Archimedea is a huge failure to me. I did it two weeks ago, and the Alchemy portion of the triple mission took 53 minutes because the game would go 3-4 minutes between dropping an amphore, and each amphore only raised the mix percentage by about 5%. It was pure, agonizing frustration.
Obviously you weren't Ready for it. 👀
its way better rewards than netracells
@@lookalike4805 Obviously you didn't read a word I wrote. Which is typical.
@@wtfman2049 An arcane I don't care about? Entrati Lanthorns I already have over 200 of? Slightly better chance at an archon shard? Where is this "way better" reward?
@@Matuseyou get three more chances at getting at archon shard. That's like doing 3 extra Netracells every week, or even better than that since the percentages for tauforged shards are higher
Can you make a hound guide? And which mods are best for them?
seems the random table drops aren't so random first 3 times I got 2 tau forged and 1 crescendo and 1 dup arcane this happened when a founder was in the group but next 3 0 tauforged and one crescendo. melee adapters and yellow reg shards playing with lower ranked players (I only play with random public players). The guessing the drop rate algorithm for this game is skewd and is based on how much actual money you have spent on the the game. If it is I think fair enough...
12:49 - Lol, so true. 😂
rework the rng rolls into duviri resets. having to wait for a better equip roll is killing it
In this world there are only those who sucks and those who want to suck and I am neither.
Cause I am not ranking it to level 5.
It's fucking the standing cap again.
If i finish 1 run and then i wana do one again will i get the chance to get shards again ?
Imagine knowing 3 other people who all sunk 2k hours into Warframe.
-75% ability duration and energy vampire is a very stupid interaction lol.
Can you get the same rewards doing it again?
Man, the duration is though... And even it gave me to use Voruna and Baruuk, still, these enemies seems to ignore the shieldgate and hit me with everything
I think it's a little overtuned. I tweaked a build around it and quickly found out the 75% is multiplicative...
some of the missions/modifiers for EDA aren't fun at all.
some are, I hope DE can keep the difficulty, but also adjust the RNG to not be too random for the selected parameters for weapons.
mirror defense's Eximus summoning point needs to be moved further away on the second defense point, too close for comfort imo even in light of "mission difficulty"
expecting a multiplayer focused game's hard-mode/endgame to cater towards solo play is insanity, of course (not saying that doing an EDA is impossible solo; it is just very clinical in precision required from the player)
I wish I had friends...
Finally a challenge that will actually be worth it I'm looking forward to trying it for myself but first I'm preparing every warframe and weapon I've to sp levels before trying deep archimedea myself
I stopped playing when Archon hunts were introduced. I heard "weekly" and just said, fuck this shit, I'm out. (Not the only reason, but that was what finally did it)
Great to hear they introduced even more weekly shit. While I appreciate that you can get the shards in a more reasonable timeframe now, and that's probably ok, I hate this artificial limitation. They are literally implementing a system to make you not play certain parts.
If I enjoy certain content, I want to keep playing it, and not be forced to constantly wait. I don't know, maybe it's dogshit - I've not played any of the weeklies - but I absolutely hate this.
could anyone help me with this? It's really hard to carry randoms sometimes. Even with the best setup.
Did max challenges with a good random group last night finished every mission and got the worst rewards and only one shard. Last week did only half the challenges and got three shards. The last reward tier isn't even worth it imo.