Emerald Archon Shards - Great or Bait? | Warframe
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
- Emerald Archon Shards offer four options to entice you into using toxin and corrosive, but do they offer substantial bonuses or are they overhyped? I break down each of the four options to bring this fully to light.
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0:00 Intro
0:23 Not A Sponsor
0:42 Making The Shard
1:02 1 Toxin Status Buff
3:45 2 Healing via Toxin
5:46 Banshee????
6:55 3 Corroded Ability Buff
8:14 4 More Corrosion
8:27 Corrosion Explained
10:36 Corrosion Shard Application
13:56 Corrosion vs Bosses
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REGARDING SARYN: It was my intent in this video to temper expectations and make clear that merely Saryn+Shards alone is not an instant easy win. That said it is clear I did not highlight the positives remotely enough, so that's on me. I try to keep a balance of explaining things without spending 30 minutes proving 1 + 1 = 2, but I missed that balance this time.
What about zephyr's tornadoes with a toxin weapon, would that work?
please add a spoiler warning to the video if your going to show rank 5 of the cavia. its not fair to those who havent gotten that far. thx
@@ZeninariWhat has been spoiled for you or others?
In regards to Saryn, it depends on how you go about it. As you said in your video, you aren't gonna get an instant win with spores alone but she can still benefit immensely from the Emerald Archon Shards if one changes their Saryn build from a Nuker to a Weapon Buffer build.
Saryn with the Venom Dose augment (Corrosive damage on weapon) can easily let her apply max corrosive stack with two Emerald Archon Shards and a fast enough weapon. I have been having super much fun with a dumb meme build where I run Venom Dose augment (Corrosive), Subsumed Nourish (Viral), Toxic Lash (just for more Toxic Damage) alongside four Emerald Archon Shards. Two with the max Corrosive proc increase, One with the Toxin status proc damage increase and the last with getting healed on Toxin procs. I also use the Ignis Wraith with Gas damage and Hunter Munitions for Gas procs and Slash procs.
It is an expensive and dumb build but it completely changed the way how I play Saryn. I am having a lot of fun with it and its amazing seeing enemies completely drown in every status effect within the green spectrum (Toxin, Viral, Corrosive and Gas).
Great informative video as always.
Update as per the last dev stream we will have the option to combine 4 normal shards into a tauforged shard with the next update in March. So making Tauforged shards of combined variety will technically become possible, but at the cost of 8 normal shards it will be insanely expensive
Hear me out: i just like seeing the enemy health bar go from yellow to red with 100% corrossive strip
Bump
it's kind of obsolete given there are legit between 5-10 frames that can completely strip armor with their abilities some for a permanent duration others for a fixed one
Yea, shame tauforged is useless for that tho
@@theunhingedgamer3762 dont care
@@theunhingedgamer3762 not really because doing so means you cant pick another power that could help you survive better.
Alternate take with saryn that makes her a better candidate for the full armor strip. The strength of spores is not their ability to do direct damage to a single target, but to spread though the map, effecting every enemy in a massive range. So while she does take awhile to fully strip armor, in most missions that time is while enemies are running from there spawn to the battle. With %200 strength and 3 spores an enemy will be stripped in about 5 seconds. On defense and survival missions most will arrive to combat, fully stripped.
That's my thought as well, something like survival and enemies usually arrive to your current room already armor stripped from spores before they're even in LoS to shoot with your guns.
Use knightmare frame’s saryn build in the sp circuit last week and it carried us for 8 rounds stripping the map.
Saryn is really nice with emerald shards (two normal for the +4 corrosive stacks, and one tau for 15% ability damage to enemies affected by corrosion, two normal amber for casting speed)
Or just...use venom dose and a high fire rate weapon
Moreover, outside of the direct benefit to Saryn, other allies attacking those same spore-laden enemies will find that they can benefit from the increased corrosive cap due to Saryn's spores having affected them.
@@goat_exe with a proper emerald shard build you can literally stand still while spores nuke the map like the old saryn lol
+Toxin damage ticks damage on Saryn also increases damage if Toxin Lash is spreaded via Sobek Acid Shells. Combining that with Roar lead to interesting results due to scaling of enemy hp values.
You highlighted Grendel for the first effect of the emerald shard, but you overlooked Hydroid for the third effect. Granted, it's a win-more button for him as Hydroid hardly struggles where he's actually killing enemies, but it can take him from weapon platform to ability nuke in terms of play style. Sure, his base numbers aren't crazy, but those enemies will likely be entirely stripped of their armor, serving as an additional damage modifier. Add all of this into a Pilfering Swarm build or the nature of his Barrage, and you get some pretty effective (albeit probably overkill) ability damage.
The issue here is that on Hydroid, it's often better to put on a Crimson Shard outright - not only does that boost Hydroid's damage output like the Emerald Shard effect, but it also increases the Armor/Bonus caps for Plunder. Maybe I'd change my tune if I knew the numbers for +10% Ability Strength versus +10% Ability Damage, maybe the calculations are different enough to warrant the change. If this were an increase to ALL Corrosive damage, including weapons, then this would be a moot point.
@@Gamefling the ability damage archon shards are worth using over strength, if you can hit 300 str with molt augmented and whatever mods, with his barrage augment you strip and viral proc enemies and each tick of rain can hit for upwards of like, 80k, its a bit ridiculous, plus his plunder can give him like 600-700% extra damage on top of that. i run 5 greens on him, 2 for corrosive stacks, 3 tauforged ability damage, since its a final multiplier on your damage, so an extra 45% damage on top of whatever damage you have, and nourish over his 2 with either zenurik/energy nexus. Its ability spam but its so much fun. highly recommend.
No build is overkill in Warframe.
@@KrokusOfDagonmy question is why are you running the corrosive stack ones? Just to deal with accolytes? Seems like it would be better to use all Emerald Damage ones or mix in Crimson.
@@KrokusOfDagonyou don’t need extra stacks tho, he innately enhances corrosive so that it 100% armor strips no matter what
Citrine gains + status duration (and chance) and her Prismatic Gem ability applies up to one suite of status effects (including Toxin) per .4 seconds per enemy hit.
Archon Continuity applies a Corrosive status effect whenever a Toxin status is applied.
Considering you might well want her Preserving Shell to start out at 95% damage reduction, you want something above 200% ability strength on her anyway.
With this setup, she can apply 2.5 Corrosive procs per second, that each lasts more than 18 seconds, and this is on every enemy hit (including by Fractured Blast), before taking weapon status effect into account.
Fractured Blast also benefits from at least a 200% ability strength to guarantee health orb drops.
She can also healtank even harder with the health per toxin proc effect.
This is my preferred setup right now, and I enjoy it very much.
I know this is 2 months later, but I just found this guy's videos lol.
I love Citrine, but I've found a ton of success running pillage on her. I still run Archon Continuity for the lulz, but I put Pillage over her 4th, use precision intensify, blind rage, and molt augmented arcane, plus a couple red strength shards, and I can single cast strip full armor fairly quickly into a mission. Love this for camping a big room in SP Conjunction Survival Omnia Fissures, and my Netracell missions. She tears high level content up, great frame, can't wait for her Prime
@@drkillbrew6387I’ve replaced her 4 with gloom to get incarnon channeled ability bonuses but it also provides great cc and more healing for health tanks in range
@@Sole_Samurai I personally don't tend to rely on Gloom for those incarnon bonuses, as Gloom only counts as channeled while something is within its range, so if you're shooting guys at the far end of a hallway and there's nothing next to you, then you're not getting the bonus. Not the end of the world, as being surrounded is pretty common, and incarnon weapons are mostly amazing even without the occasional effect in play.
@@drkillbrew6387 I dont try to play sniper and I have a really balanced build utilizing all the systems of modding such as shards and arcanes so I get a very sizable range.. sure its not my 500% power strength dante but its certainly a solid all rounder build I have for her…
I currently have three warframes with two archon shards each. Saryn, Mirage, and Titania. For Saryn and Mirage the bonus is noticeable, and can make a big difference against armored units, but Titania is something else entirely. I have her run Toxic and radiation on her Dex Pixia, and corrosive on the Diwata. I also subsumed on Toxic Barrage and use the Viral Tempest augment. I can just spam the ability and everything dies... anything with armor getting their protection removed quite quickly, and anything with shields just evaporating. The Acolytes sometimes require a bonk on the head with the sword, but if enough of my Razorflies are still alive, they just disappear too. It feels absolutely insane to run but it's so much fun, and does crazy damage
Link to any good builds? I finally crafted a Titania Prime!
Hey imma need the build too, been experimenting with titania for the longest but never truly thought about using tempest barrage on her, how even is the interaction op? How does it affect the stats shes built with?
Would also love to see how you have this set up.
I would like to see this build as well
you can run your pixias with toxin radiation blast
archon continuity for corrosive procs and nourish for viral
thats some reeally mad stuff
with 2 green shards and youre the king of disruption
Green toxin proc damage shards on Grendel makes him feel even better to play with a build focused on regurgitate, highly recommend giving it a shot.
I am surprised you neglected to mention Citrine at all, seeing as she can very easily (if not even more easily than anyone else) apply toxin procs. She benefits quite a lot from this shard with the correct build! I was also hoping you'd mention Archon Continuity, as it makes any Warframe who can apply toxin also apply corrosive (except Saryn iirc).
Its just wasted on her spores but lets you add corrosive to her lash and ult too but if you are just a spore lad you dont really need it at all
@@GhostOfBuscemi toxic lash doesn't work and ult deals viral
I put two emerald shards on Titania, and run toxin radiation Dex Pixia with archon continuity to have a build I can run against any faction. I armor strip armored units, bypass the shields of shielded units, and have a little bit of radiation for the murmur faction.
Same but with exalted blade. It's incredibly effective.
And with galvanized shot, you get the extra damage for having another status effect. I like it
Oh my god. This is genius.
If you run toxin radiation, where does your corrosive status come from?
@@isaacmiddlemiss7790 archon continuity
Could the next video be on the violet shards?
Specifically the interaction with the 10% ability damage on enemies with electric procs and Gyre’s crits
I'm also curious about this
For anyone curious, just did the math for the effective damage boost that corrosion procs (and the max corrosion stack effect) actually give in those scenarios, using the values at 8:50.
Multiplier is in comparison to still being at full armor. tl:dr 1 Tauforged should be good enough, but if you don't know what else to slot in 2 regular is also really good.
Level 101 Steel Path Trooper:
10 corrosive stacks: 4.13x
12 corrosive stacks: 7.69x (nice)
13 corrosive stacks: 13.56x
full armor strip: 18.18x
Level 200 Steel Path Bombard:
10 corrosive stacks: 4.73x
12 corrosive stacks: 10.91x
13 corrosive stacks: 32.09x
full armor strip: 90.91x
Thank you! Did you also include the loss of the armour type damage multipliers on full strip?
@@knicklichtjedi Damage spread has too much variance to really calculate for that in a simple way.
However, I did look at Corrosive's resists and weaknesses and it looks like the absolute worst case is going from +75% to +0%. At that point the damage comparison probably boils down to a case by case basis.
@@D0omsday779 Okay ty!
With full strip and accounting for the reduction in damage bonus, the values should be:
Trooper: 10.38x (75% --> 0%)
Bombard: 90.91x (0% --> 0%, but you lose the 75% radiation damage bonus if you had any radiation damage)
From 13.56x to 10.38x is then a noticeable difference if you deal a good chunk of your damage as corrosive. Good to know!
The extra corro stacks also apply to certain bosses/minibosses that usually cap stacks at 4, letting you bypass that cap.
also worth noting that 2x tauforged corrosive stack shards on Hydroid also achieves the full armor strip effect on acolytes and the like. that is considerably more viable, though still questionable
and low level ferrite armor enemies can actually take up to (but not reaching) 75% more corrosive damage (total) compared to fullstrip if you slot in the 98% shard, depending on how low armor they have. was planning on making a quick vid explaining the math and where the breakpoint is so I'm glad this vid didn't steal my thunder there :p
breakpoints are different per enemis. but generally, unless weapons and abilities are dealing pure corrosive, and only when dealing with ferrite armor, full strip is better most of the time.
I use the extra corrosive stack shards on Saryn, and its actually not as bad as you'd think from testing, Spores cover a huge area of the map, go through walls, and with 200% strength or above, it doesn't take long at all to kill those enemies, and the enemies you face will usually be fully armour stripped, it creates a cascading effect where; enemies get spores, they lose armour, they die, they pass on their spires to other enemies, those enemies get fully armour stripped too before you even get a chance to attack them.
This effect is actually crazy strong by itself, I've used it just in regular builds and it quickly became my favourite Saryn build, the damage and armour strip it causes is really good in actual gameplay, I'd very much recommend it in actual missions and in more tests, I found it actually made a nuke Saryn build viable in Steel Path.
And, while it's very much not needed to make the build work, I tried it alongside the Incarnon Dual Ichors, with Melee Exposure, and the effects were just amplified even more, the enemies took so much damage that they would die pretty much to one swing, not even a full combo hit, and then turn into a cloud, which would spread spores to more enemies through the aoe and apply more corrosive procs, it just created what I genuinely think might be the strongest effect in Warframe vs armoured enemies, full armour strip and a constant 10 viral procs by combining Saryn and Dual Ichors just melted the map, I calculated the kpm at the end and it was 320 kills per minute, 5 per second. And, while 2 shards don't full strip an acolyte, the extra damage from less armour is quite noticeable from my experience. I really recommend revisiting this combo, these shards are really good on Saryn, though, otherwise, I would say they're pretty niche.
You've made literally hundreds of videos this is applicable to, but I wanna seriously thank you for how much time and headache you've saved me over the years. You're a saint
Thank you so MUCH.
I was actually trying to find information not more than a day or so ago about how the toxic boost from these shards affected Regurgitate but could not find any real help. Feel better now for keeping the 2 normal and 1 tau emerald on him now.
Always informative! Keep up the great content.
I use Corrosive on Saryn w/ 216 Ability Power (Blind Rage + 3x Umbral + Overextended) and it armor strips just about the entire map. But more importantly it armor strips the hard enemies which otherwise might slow me down.
My Saryn has 186% Strength and also fully strips the map. Instead of blind rage I use transient fortitude, since I run gloom and BR hurts too much on energy.
It doesnt take much for Saryn to maximally benefit from these shards.
Depends on if you run energize or nourish on her. I've mained her for years and I've consistently shafted efficiency on her as unless you're spamming her 4, she's usually fine. Her large energy pool is icing on the cake with p flow.
@@Akirathedon92 I ran Gloom for a while but swapped to Nourish, which increases energy regen. After the swap Blind Rage made way more sense. I still got a Gloom variation though but it's rarely ever used, only makes sense when fighting level 2000+ enemies.
When the update went live I immediately put +4 corrosive stacks on Saryn, something you failed to mention is you build Saryn with 265% ability range, so you armor strip enemies you're not even seeing yet.
as a matter of fact, i took her to Kappa Sedna and most of the time the demolysts were fully stripped when i got to them
Not only that but if they already have 8+ stacks it only takes one brief swing of a corrosive beam weapon to finish the strip.
Come on mate this shard is completely useless on Saryn, just give up on trying to make it work on her. 😉
@@nflhd8678 Too late. It's widespread enough that it's not that hard for DE to miss it. Enjoy while it lasts before DE swings the ban hammer.
You definitely want range but the most impactful thing imo is strength. 200% strength is 100% status chance per spore and is very doable without dumping range
Great videa
I would like to point out that an Excalibur with the chromatic blade mod, modified to toxin damage with enough ability strength can reach over 100% status purely toxin damage and thus seems like a viable pick for the toxin damage over time option ad well.
As a Lavos main, Emerald shards opened up a lot more versatility in my setup. Normally, I just spammed Viral and MAYBE a base element add-on to my abilities. but now, Lavos has the capability to armor strip. Having a Corrosive-Cold Cedo to my loadout (stripper shards along on the ride) also allows me to take it slow with far higher level enemies than I would think feasible. Emerald shards are a freaking blessing, I already can't imagine a world without em XD
hiii I have a good question.... What happens with Nekros Shadows of the Dead mechanic interaction... Can I put a Shard that give me ability damage ?... how it works with the shadows?, for example I can give to the shadows the ability to deal an specific status proc via helmith (Shock, Smite, Nourish, etc )and kitgun -theorem infection synergy... so the damage of my shadows increase already or instead... nothing happens?
One important thing about Saryn is that with toxic lash active, every hit against an enemy with spores adds one spore to enemies in range, and the bursting of the spore applies another corrosive proc to the enemy that was hit. With a good AoE weapon hitting multiple enemies that all have spores, you can greatly increase the speed at which they are stripped. Also, strength is a very good stat for Saryn, second only to range on a Spore-focused build, so you should be at 200% strength on a spore build.
Still watching but i found a great use of it on a vermisplicer or torid incarnon with crit chance, status chance rivens. Allowing for orange to red crits and 2-3 stacks per shot. This chaining between several enemies allows for mass clearing on steel path. The additional 30% to 90% for 1-2 shards is marginal but makes a massive difference on enemies leveling in the 1000s. More applicable when applying any additional dmg buff (mostly roar even subsumed).
I was planning on grabbing some Orange Archon Shards for the damage bonus against Radiation-affected enemies for my Smite Limbo build, so I’d be interested to see what you think of the other fused Archon Shards
I put a 2 green shards for +4 more corrosive stacks on all my frames with an Exalted weapons and just modded those to corrosive since it's a weapon you always expect them to have. Helps a lot on endurance runs especially on SP Circuit. You're right that you won't notice it unless the enemy can survive to get 14 procs, but when it does, it works great. The break point in this case is the Enemy Level. As for Saryn, I just use Venom Dose as well to get faster stacks to 14. Having the spores already spread around too also helps my teammates. Passive room wide Armor Strip just helps the team as a whole complete objectives because there's less enemy pressure.
Archon continuity and emerald shards work well together. raise your corrosive cap and increase damage to enemies with corrosion. Archon cont will proc toxin and corrosive at the same time.
If your talking about saryn specifically archon continuity does not work on toxic lash it only works on molt when it explodes just dropping this info because I bought archon continuity and was very disappointed when I found this out
@@lucky3d341 If you look at the original comment you can see we are talking about exalted weapons, which archon cont does work and is very useful.
@@2BsWraith If YOU look at the original comment, the discussion is about Exalted weapons AND SARYN
@@CrashSable Literally the majority of the op was about exalted weapons, saryn was a passing thought. Please don't be that guy.
What about using tempest barrage as a subsume to apply status effects in a specific area u have locked Down with the augment dealing viral after the armour is stripped seems like a decent use for the extra stacks
I haven't gotten any of these fused shards yet, but oh boy do I want to try them all out on Lavos now.
I have a Saryn build that has 2tau corrosive stack max, and I want to know if I should be using the corrosive damage emerald or just a strength shard with these two shards.
Does the lower limit bypass thing work on stuff like Nemesis enemies and/or Archons? And do they actually lose armor from corrosive procs? Could be a legit niche for them there on a dedicated setup for archon based violence.
Can't wait for the other 2 shards videos
I use Emerald +corro stacks on Qorvex to pair with Nautilus Cordon equipped with Manifold Bond. Qorvex has Tempest Barrage subsumed and Viral Tempest Augment. This automatically gives 2 status procs. Chyrinka Pillar applies radiation resulting in 3. This trigger Manifold Bond that reduces Cordon's cd. In result, everything is pulled into the Pillar, stripped armor with Barrage, applies Viral then you can Macrowave the Pillar for some juicy stacked explosions.
hello. i have Excalibur with heat and corrosive chromatic blade setup. i slap in 2 green shards for corrosive stacks and 1 green for corrosive damage. i also slap in Archon vitality for heat. is that setup good?
With Mesa you swap to primed convulsion , toxin dual and use heat dual stat instead and it will bias far more
Dumb question: can you cover what the clear mission cache promt on the loader actually does? Ik its more techincal then in game stuff but im curious
Fellow Grendel mains, we eating good
yall exist?
I wish I could join the Grendel cult but I cant stand the obnoxiously low range of his 1st ability and the depressing damage of his meatball, plus many ranges dont even scale with ability range
meatball is only there to open up the subsume options. . .
@@DariusDarkest you are not invited to my grendel BP
@@thebeyonder4961whaaaa i think i only have stretch on and i can eat most enemies i can see on most tilesets also meatball is just for subsuming, been maining him since he came out and probably used meatball under 20 times
I'm using a Corrosive+Heat build on my Felarx with a viral primer. Would it be considered overkill if I opt for more corrosive procs using these shards?
i mean yeah kinda unless ur going a lot further
I’ve used the corrosive strip with two shards on Citrine and it’s pretty slow. Best paired with Hydroid’s 1 subsume or sickening pulse to max out those corrosive stacks quick. Definitely free strip on Saryn though.
1) is the radiation / corrosive damage buff aganis armor even worth it compared to full strip ? aka 13 coro stacks + damage bonus from radiation in SP vs 14 stacks
2) could you test how fast/ if bond modded hound can actualy hit 14 corro stacks ? he seems to be amazing at spreading statusses but idk how reliable would that be to armorstrip
3) how much armor do netracel enemies actualy have ?
having 14 max corrosive procs is good with zephyr tornadoes + subsumed viral tempest... literally gather as many enemies as you want, then hot the tornadoes with a convectrix or phantasma or other extreme status weapon, ideally built for gas or electricity.
I understand these tests and everything take time but are you gonna do video on each new shard? The fused shards seem to be past the early beta test stage already.
there's a relatively nieche application for poison procs you neglected to mention: saryn sobek explosion spread. her toxic lash adds a guaranteed toxic application to the explosions caused by sobeks explosion, which can trigger more explosions if they kill the target.
of course, sadly the explosions are a bit buggy, dont always recognise targets properly even if they are right next to other enemies (sometimes only some enemies are affected by the explosion?), and they are toxin, which is an awefull damage type to scale alongside max health damage, since corpus dont really have much max health to explode from, while other factions typically resist it.
But its a fun build that i sometimes whip out in sortie exterms or SP if a friend brings mag/frost armor strip, and the toxin shard adds a lot of damage to it.
Im just a little confused on one interaction regarding grendal
Does his 4s initial hit benifit from the Toxin Damage buff?
Also, hypothetically would having Archon Continuity then adding the bonus damage on corrosive procced enemies be more impactiful or just the toxic shards, or are they both diffrent multipliers that could be conbined
no
because u can use roar and double dip it while also getting the toxin dmg buff on top of that
Saryn with a strength/venom dose augment weapon buffing build goes hard with full armor strip. Beam weapons like a gaze kitgun or nukor rapidly apply corrosive procs and the enemies actually just melt like hot butter in a microwave (oh and nourish too for all of the elements)
Know any good builds? I haven’t played her in a minute
I run a similar build myself. Full Umbral, Venom Dose, Streamline, and then just Duration. If you run Energize or some other form of energy regen, use either more Duration or the Toxic Lash augment. It's a simple build to use, pop all three buffs, use Molt regularly, and just shoot people.
I'm fookin' 3 months late, Kengie lad, but I'm more casual with fighting Archons but still had enough useless blue and yellow shards to make 2 Tauforged green shards. I put one for toxin status proc damage on my gun-buff Saryn for Toxic Lash and the other one for ability damage on enemies affected by corrosive status on my nuke Saryn to spread spores then hit miasma.
Both of my Saryns are objectively better now, but I was definitely sceptical about dropping 15% ability strength crimsons for them, I just think it's better to have the 4 tauforged crimsons on each and then the one green tauforged just for the little extra multiplicative bonus in the equations.
Question about the healing option?
If you have 2 or more shards equiped, does the healing add to each other? With 2 shards going from 2 to 4 and so on, or does it not have any effect?
yeah
the tau forged corrosive stack works kinda well with qorvex, but you need a aoe source for that, even though the zenistar could be perfect, some players prefer the good old nuke
I love how the MIGHTY SEER can shoot tau forged shards
saryn + 1 aug + epitaph spam, not a 1 click full strip, but for levelcap it's pretty nice to have
there's something you forgot, there's a mod that makes toxin type abilities deal additional corrosion status
okay and
thats useless
@noahedenborg4221 no it's not💀
@@noahedenborg4221 you are wrong
@@noahedenborg4221Grendel, Voruna, Saryn, Lavos, Citrine, etc., would like to know your location 😂
unfortunately you need an ability capable of dishing out that many status procs to begin with. Even a frame like citrine would struggle with this. As her 3 isn't quick enough at applying the correct statuses to reach a full strip on it's own. Doesn't help you have cases like saryn where TOXIN LASH THE ABILITY THEY USE AS THE EXAMPLE ON THE MOD.... Doesn't work. It also doesn't help that most of the frames that deal toxin also have armor strip in their kits aswell... And shit like larva burst? Nah dawg... that ain't doing shit... you'll get like one corrosive proc after exploding that shit... It's more cute than effective.
lavos + 2 green shards + archon continuity for corrosive with toxin apply with vial rush + archon vitality for catalyst double dip
For me, the corrosive proc damage, the cap, AND the healing all have a rather neat effect when combined with Archon Continuity for a Toxin-infused vial rush; three procs, at a consistent over time application in a defensive line, stripping, CCing, healing AND priming for Lavos' setup. Would it be more efficient to just. Run Arcon Con and use other shards? Absolutely! But I FEEL like im doing something cool and synergenistic, at the very least.
the corrosive stacks on hydroid are beastly, you get almost passive AOE armor strip with his 1 and 4, mostly the one
Would the toxin effect of the shard affect the damage of Dual Ichor clouds? Or the cloud from Saryn's toxic lash augment? EDIT: I can confirm that emerald shards do nothing for either of those two, presumably because they don't count as status effects in the game. Would be curious to see if they count as abilities though, to maybe benefit from the corrosive-option. But I also doubt that, at least for the Ichors - the cloud seems to taxi melee influence, so I am assuming that could mean the game registers ticks from the cloud as melee hits.
Also somewhat curious, Corrosive Projection aura + 12 corrosive stacks don't seem to fully armor strip. I would test with a tauforge but I am out of bile for today.
Corrosive stacks don't stack well with other sources of armor stripping, and neither does heat for that matter. Otherwise corrosive heat mods would have already been stripping armor without projection.
What about corrosive heat cycron or ocucor with nourish? Comparing to viral heat with roar.
is green shards armor strip still conflicting with ability armor strip?
I've been running my Mesa with Primed Convulsion, Pistol Pestilence and Scorch to stay Corrosive/Heat but lean more on Corrosive. I run 2 Tauforged Green for the mini bosses and the results feel pretty good, but I have honestly not run a lot of numbers.
Fun fact though is that the shards seem to stack over multiple players. So if you a team prepped you can get the 14 stacks with minimal Archon Shard slots wasted.
My first thought on aeeing The emerald shard was: Saryn. But I don't play her like most peeps do, with spores spreading damage and such. I play her as a weapon specialist. Sporesc are too slow to proc 14 status effects but Epitaph isn't so here come my idea. Venim Dose. I can infuse Corrosive on my Epitaph without changing its build. So now I have viral priming, Corrosive stripping and Toxin from Toxic Lash, meaning, an armorstrip won't ever be requiered. So I freed up The helminth spot for another damage buff: Xata's Whisper. And I tested it against SP Circuit. Solo. And it worked like a Charm. Everything died în just under 3 secs, including Thrax units. I went so far as to mock lvl cap thrax with just two Archon shards.
This might just be one of The best endurance layouts I've ever used.
interesting, does corrosive projection not stack with corrosive procs? i'd think you'd be able to fully strip armor with 1 tauforged with that aura and maybe coaction drift
Not additively no. Corrosive procs are multiplicative with all other armor reductions just like heat procs; this prevents them full stripping if not 100% on their own. Most other forms (eg the aura and abilities) are additive with each other.
I built my Mesa to do toxin damage with archon continuity and two shards, and it's a fun solution to all problems since I can now bypass shields and armor both with my guns. But I still think I'd be better off switching to a heat based build with the topaz shards for extra crit chance.
would 3 normal red shards n 2 normal topaz work better?
main uses for the corrosive increases are for subsuming tempest barrage on gun frames or frames that cant afford say 328% and or use corrosive projection or armour strip with say terrify or if they use guns with ability's
the way i found it works great is on frames like limbo where u subsume barrage over his 4 (using 1 and 3 into hold cast 1) has he cant allways get damage incresses beyond 500-1000 in squad mission at level 100-150 SP with sometimes it being a hinders so with the use of barrage (it can kill quite well itself) to then strip enemys when u are safe in rift lets u pop out unload your weapons and pop into rift while always helping the team and not hindering them (if u have all frames like mesa then it will not be needed has they can kill through rift but still lets u open up to squad play where u only need to banish rift surge to kill to get stacks on arcane to then gun everything down afterword's without rifting them)
So, do I understand it right - if I'm using my Voruna, and I'm using an Emerald shard with +10% damage against corrosive-proc'd enemies and I run high strength (say, nearly 300%) on a build focused on her 4 and her 2 procs corrosive, does that mean the damage incerease would be an equivalent of approximately 30% ability strength?
Either way, I do enjoy my Grendel regurgitate setup with the toxin, also getting 100% strip with corrosive is awesome, it actually makes me consider it again instead of viral/HM!
for what he said, it is final damage.
The extra corrosive from a single tauforged emerald on citrine, with archon continuity, and phantasma prime, is pretty nuts. I also like using other status weapons, and spamming her 1. With archon stretch and archon flow and her 3 active, you pretty much do not have to worry about energy. If you want, add zenurik focus tree on top, and you are SET.
Titania's Dex Pixia has enough status chance to get max stacks. time to kill isn't so bad w/ tauforged emerald + topaz + corrosive heat. I personally enjoy it and found it working in testing, but I wanted to see if you can find anything more to it w/ your testing
I run 2 green shard toxin build on her with archon cont, so each toxin proc is also a corro proc.
Saves a mod slot on her pixia and the strip speed is insane, insta deletes corpus because shield bypass and insta strips armored targets so very good catch all build imo
@@YourBoyToy1769 I did some test with titania and mesa with a toxic build but tbh corrosive and heat kills way faster since toxic is not really a good damage type against armored units (and it's not even close), toxic is good against the corpus but then why whoud you need the corrosive procs on corpus units?
Does Saryn's Venom Dose augment speed up the rate of corrosive procs?
holy shit. im only just recently getting into steel path (literally 400 hours in and im only just now doing shit with it 💀) and im seeing level +100 enemies. are these really the damage numbers we are doing?? i run Kullervo on anything steel path thats not the circuit so i guess the overgaurd buffs kinda carry but still.
Valence Formation Lavos is stupid kinds of fun. I have two Tauforged greens in him, making my Cedo/Gotva Prime deal full armor strip in SECONDS against late stage Steel Path enemies. Id put melee exposure on my Praedos, but that might be TOO much corrosive
@TheKengineer I'm still curious to see if an explosive legerdemain Mirage build with archon continuity would benefit from emerald shards to strip armor, with sickening pulse of course to push those stacks ;) #DreamBig
I feel like Voruna is a candidate for atleast 1 regular Emerald Archon Shard. especially with Archon Continuity equipped. While the status effects from her 2 are random, I think having to build around her lower range, sacrificing strength instead (Overextended) can lend a hand with the lower damage output of both her 2 and 4. This would allow those corrosive procs to stack up while spreading, allowing her to use her 4 more reliably especially if you're using Ulfruns Endurance. Haven't tested this yet, but I feel in theory it could work.
While I understand you didn't mention Melee Influence, as it's currently standing on wonky grounds due to all the unintended interactions, but when used as intended, a high attack speed/high status weapon modded for Corrosive, and using an external source to proc the arcane (Operator AMP, forced procs from certain weapons, or shooting through Volt's shield with projectile melees, etc.) you can rapidly apply Corrosive procs on a whole lot of enemies at the same time. With a double-Emerald setup, that allows you to fully armor strip with almost contemptuous ease.
Yo this might actually be really good on Excalibur with the chromatic blade augment, which provides an absurd amount of status with the ability to give the blade a base element via color
I think I found a bug with armor strip. When you apply 14 stacks of corrosion, you fully strip armor, yes. But if you also apply Unairu's second on same mob with 14 stacks, his health pool will become yellow again. I can't test thoroughly whether it's just a UI bug or if mob's armor is somehow restored because I am quite busy. Not sure if I'll be able to find some time to properly test it.
Noticed it on disruption, btw. Was running Saryn with 2 shards on +2 to max corrosion, and my teammate was using Unairu on demolists. Some quick shots from epitaph and boom.
So ive made a total of 5 emerald shards at this point. All five are bonus damage against corroded enemies, on Saryn. Its a noticable damage up, but it mostly just means her spool-up time to when she is able to kill in a given mission is reduced
How did you not mention saryn's toxic farts when talking about health on tox effect?
I now have the perfect thing for my Archon mod Citrine. (Simply for the bonus Archon mods grant to the 4 base elements)Dumb build that sometimes works well on SP
What about toxin lash saryn with the archon vitality mod ( if i remember correctly ) which will allow for any weapon to proc toxin from abilities and thus corrosive from the archon mod. You can then amplify your damage output by having viral/slash/heat/electricity.
Perhaps toxin lash on a viral heat incarnoned dual ichor which leaves residual toxin clouds?!
If you haven't already I think you should look at Saryn again but with Archon Continuity and Melee Influence.
the one thing this video has left me curious about is how good Hydroid's 1 can be against armoured targets, especially since it is the subsumed ability.
i'd love to see a very quick comparison, maybe with a frame that can group enemies, and just do a simple test. without shards, without shards and the viral augment, with shards, with shards and the viral augment.
Wouldn’t gas status work really well with the second effect? Or does gas triggering toxin not cause a second status effect?
It sounds like you might be recalling old gas from years ago that dealt toxin damage with its status. This is no longer the case. Gas procs only deal gas damage.
My only Saryn build is 250 range and over 200 strength, so no issues quickly applying 14 stacks with her spores. These shards have absolutely raised her to new heights for me. Spores for full armor strip, viral on weapon, toxin to bypass shields from her 3... She has answer to every enemy type not immune to status.
Here's an interesting recipient of green shards in my arsenal: Excalibur. Chromatic blade into high status toxic exalted blade, Archon Continuity for Corrosion, and Nourish instead of Slash Dash for viral. Not getting red crits like with Wrathful Advance, but I get better energy recovery and a Gladiator Stick Praedos is enough to reach normal crits. This enough for majority of enemies. Probably not levelcap build, but level 200-300 enemies dissolve like paper straws.
My revenant build is two tau amber casting speed, one tau strength and two of the emerald extra corrosion. Literally only quality of life. Nice I run nourish on him as well, the corrosion takes away the armor then viral does the rest.
Yeah it's redundant that I run unairu as well, but it's just nice to have it done as I'm shooting rather than actively switching. Like I said, merely quality of life
I was wondering if you could full strip enemies like acolytes in this way but that is a huge investment just to find out so thank you for letting me know it is atleast possible .
if you run corrosive projection can you fully strip with less than 14 corrosive procs?
No, the two stack multiplicatively. 12 procs (-92%) and the aura (-18%) gives total 93.44% armor removal.
my only problem with this how there was a creeping bullseye in the mesa build and not an anemic agility. I also didnt see any arcanes proc on her. I get this was to show that you will destroy an enemy before you get to even get to 14 stacks of corrosive. It just ended up bugging me for some reason
Saryn toxic lash and spore venom dose are perfect for green shards +4 stacks from shards makes spore 100% armor strip , venom dose ,toxoc lash with duel ichor incarnate equals room wipe need melle influence and have the ichor main dmg electric. I run nourish venom dose toxic lash for viral toxic and corrosive on all weapons , second buld xata whisper over nourish . Also thoes 3 buffs on a ocucuor is broken to the max with sentient surge
For Saryn, I have high range and high strength with The stacking strength arcane. In a mission I will constantly run into enemies that I already fully armor stripped with 2 green shards.. assuming they didn't die already.
So does the green shard work with toxin procs from gas cloud procs?
old gas
new gas doesnt do that boomer
Mesa needs more fire rate for the 2 shard setup to work way better and a better damage bias toward corrosive helps a lot
A question if anyone knows. Does "Corrosive Projection" Aura plus Tauforged Archon shard fully strips armor? Or does it leave it with a sliver of armor?
Doesn’t fully strip them, you need atleast 2 regular emerald shards to strip armor
@@Tan42069 a sliver it is. Thanks for the help :-)
I was hoping u also calculated armor reduction corrosive proc combined with heat proc and CP aura. kinda sad that u don't cause im so curious about that.
What about legermain on Mirage and titania dex pixia?
Amprex with corrosive goes brrrr
I'm using one tauforged for the 98% armor strip then either have my teammates oneshot stripped enemies or just finish them with melee/or whatever.
It's my go to Weapon on my Wisp build for SP stuff for the insanely fast application of corrosive procs.
I for myself love my 2 emerald, max duration Gauss. Any weapon with decent status chance armor strips anything.
In addition: I run Corrosive/Cold weapons with Primary Frostbite. Why? Well, Corrosive to reduce any armor to zero, cold to slow down enemies and increasing my crit damage, and Primary Frostbite to increase crit damage even more with additional multishot.
Now, either go with Energized Ammunition and any primary you like. Gotva Prime just shreds through single target enemies but why go for 75% Ammo Efficiency when you have Incarnon Weapons? Also, the additional multishot from Primary Frostbite helps to get your Incarnon faster back up! Mostly with a single hit and I'm ready to go back into Incarnon.
The Torid for example, High status, beam weapon (which benefits highly from +multishot), high crit chance and crit damage, any other Incarnon works just fine too, but when you don't have to worry about Ammunition, why not using Nourish?
With Nourish I now have Corrosive/Cold/Viral (and optional Radiation) to get all the good things possible.
- 100% Armor Strip
- Viral Procs (and Viral Damage for when the enemy hasn't any armor left)
- Double increased crit damage and more multishot
But Gauss has full armor strip baked into his kit...
Well if I really want to strip armor, I'll just go Unairu. Not many enemies will require that tho. When armed to the teeth, even level cap fodder gets wiped out pretty quickly for any gimmick to really kick in. That being said, I do miss the days when I could turn a health bar red with just zapping them with the Quanta.
we need two other videos for the other 2 shards!
5:30 What’s Abathur’s Grasp? Is that one of your kitguns?
Yes, it's a Vermisplicer
@@TheKengineer Ah. What grip and loader are you using? (I can tell you’re using Pax Charge)
one thing to think of is two tua fordged or three normal lets hydroid completley strip acolyte armor.
I unironically use a health tanking setup with banshee
Some armor archon shards , arcane blessing, and gloom + silence stun let her be honestly really tanky even well into steel path
Plus resonance sonar means you absolutely nuke stuff
If you want to strip 100% armor with any warframe, just subsume embers ability on them, cast it 2 times and boom, red health bars all around.
Just subsume tharos strike at that point, tbh