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Genesis 1:29
-Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food."
TheFettuck ig ur saying we might as well not eat anything. fucking idiot
Leviticus hahahahahahahahahahahahahHahhHahHahahahahahahahha
Now gtfo
I love this bible verse and actually I think in heaven we will all be vegan as we were in the garden Eden - so why not start now 😍
I recommend you to keep reading your bible if you want the whole truth. Read Leviticus chapter 11 and Deuteronomy chapter 14
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Ella Dee
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I love this bible verse and actually I think in heaven we will all be vegan as we were in the garden Eden - so why not start now 😍"
only people who do not understand this world would say such horrible stupid things copied from someone elses bullshit.
mother nature didnt raise all of you as a vegan for a good reason or did it you pathetic weak ego psychopaths pretending to be civilised and have knowledge in nutrition and the most laughable thing DIGESTION!
this is the garden of EATEN. eat or be eaten.
also the bible states clearly god is NOT of THIS world.. so eat instead of making yourself, others surrounding you and your environment weak and sick due to freaky habits not existing in nature anywhere but the sick human mind/ego.
animal fatt and proteine every baby is been fed in a cannibalistic way, how easy is that?
I never ever heard a smart vegan, they dont exist and they actually are scared of nature and selective racists ;)
I’m muslim and 11 and since i Saw this video when it first came out, i became vegan
Salma Bittar you are incredible!! Thank you so much! 💜💜
@Kaylee Soto shut up
@Kaylee Soto pathetic
@Kaylee Soto yeah my unicorn loves me too
Wow! Great work 👍
This excuse is the most frustrating to deal with
TheFettuck so what do u eat then. Ur against eating animals(or just being fake)and ur against eating plants fungi, bacteria, zooplankton , etc, etc. So how do u survive........ur nothing but a brain eater. ur stupid.
Did you get their consent tho?
TheFettuck, I keep seeing your comments lol. Are you like, a plant empath or something? That's the only thing I could think of tbh. Still though, there is no reason to eat animals, plus, we kill more plants by eating animals than we do by eating plants alone. (:
I find it difficult discussing with vegans who think they are god. god above nature; god in knowing it better than nature.
nature feeds you animal fatt and proteine when you are a baby. now tell me: does nature want to give you cancer? does nature lie to you like so many vegans only copy and tell lies?
I dont think so.
so tell me again those vegans think they are better than god/nature itself...
mommies titties should have given you carrotjuice didnt they?
its harsh to soo all you vegans have become these piece of shit actWHORES copying and following other people their shit and telling lies to other people dragging them down. Its sad to see you even ACT frustrated because you THINK other people dont understand while you cannot accept the dark side of nature and yourself.
do you think life is a fairytail for you to live? do you want to live in fantasyland where kids grow up watchting disney instead of watching crocodiles rip open a zebra.
vegans dont want to see nature, too harsh too look at; and if they reale looked they would see how stupid they are themselves.
netflix internet heros.
its disturbing how narcistic and psychopath this way of vegan thinking has become; makes you sick humans.
Agreed
I’m Catholic I’ve been brought up as a vegan since I was 4 years old 🌱✨ Been vegan for 12 years
Gabriele Ferri shit! 😂😂😂😂
I'm Catholic and Im going vegan as well. XD
Jenna Campbell me too.
@@zengerz all religion is bullshit with no evidence...yall live your lives driven by a book...
@giuseppe mendoza
jesus gave his kinmen bread and fish.
god refused cains offering of vegatables and wanted the lamb of seth (which means replacement due to cain murdering the original son of adam and eve called abel, and that had upset god the creator).
god also tells us to take care of our temples; the image of god; the ADAM creation so that does not promote starving yourself with some kind of dieet while god shared you what is clean to eat in leviticus. veganism is far from healthy and there is ZERO scientiffic proof for it being healthy and if you think so; please share because I rip apart that cherry picked or flawed bullshit.
sharing and pushing veganism which is destructive = satanic in nature. satanic is that wat goes against gods order trying to disturb it prefring the chaos.
and if you refer to catholicism; baptizing is a jewish practice and not christian... this movement got ursurped and mistranslated for a reason by the universalist (race mixers) a long time ago. you just cannot magically sprinkle bad/corrupt dna with water and then calling it christian or good dna not corrupt. God could have done that with cain but that sort of stuff goes against his own word which is absolute when spoken.
Facts and logic destroy carnist nonsense every time.
Baun92, Say it again! ;)
TheFettuck, Religion is taught just like meat eating.
Difference is veganism typically isn't indoctrination. People come to a rational and moral conclusion on the basis of logic and empathy. Religion is something you get force-fed from birth and you stick to it because of fear.
Just like kids are forced a meat and eggs diet because their parents aren't, what's your point?
Go troll somewhere else you pathetic low life.
Thank you for bringing this point up! I am a christian and have been vegan for about a month because I've realized the sinful nature of the animal product industry. I have tried to get my family to understand that Christianity and veganism go together but have never got through to them. I showed them this video and they FINALLY understand and are looking to move towards a less animal product heavy diet. THANK YOU!!!
I respect how you responded to the animal industry but that wasn't my response. Mine was a quite different response to the same problem. It's clearly horrible how animals are treated in mass produced meat farms. No question there at all. It's also not healthy for us because of what they feed those animals and inject them with. I don't believe we shouldn't eat meat though especially if you're a Christian and have read the Bible. You'll see for yourselves there is nothing condemning the eating of meat. For me, it got me interested in conservational hunting. This isn't trophy hunting.. we hate that. We hunt to feed our families natural unfarmed meat and we give a lot of money and volunteer hours to sustaining public lands and keeping them public and out of the hands of corporations. We also donate some of the wild game meat that we harvest to homeless shelters. There are a lot of things that conservational hunters and vegans agree on in terms of the treatment of animals.
yayyy!! God bless you!!! Welcome to the restoration of Eden and an amazing journey with tons of yummy, healthy, heavenly food while growing closer to God and His will.
@@EdenEmpireTVbyAngelaDaun Genesis Chapter 1 Verse 28:
God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.
Seems like God doesnt care if I want a steak or not. God gave us a choice. I have made mine. *Grill sizzles*
I believe Adam and Eve where vegans, they lived alongside animals as their brethren and were told to eat the plants. Only when they sinned and were thrown out in a barren land did God say they could eat meat because there was no other way they could live out of Eden. Today though, we’re living in our own manmade Eden with plenty of plant foods.
Well thats just a stupid belief. Like fettuck says adam and eve were told they could eat anything they want. Not that it matters though because religion is nonsense.
Genesis 1:29
“And God said, “Behold I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of the Earth and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you””
Btw- I’m not religious. I’ve just read the books to understand the people
TheFettuck “it shall be food for you”
I don’t even understand what you’re arguing about
TheFettuck Next time I’ll be more specific for those of you who can’t understand generalised statements like plant instead of grain or meat instead of pork.
Keithcass So since 2 humans "sinned," God punished the animals? That makes no sense. It also makes no sense that God, a Creator and divine being, would change his mind. First he says only eat plants, then oh, wait, no, now you can eat animals. Very odd concept of a wishy-washy God who can't even "punish" the right parties. I'd say get beyond the man-corrupted scriptures and go by your gut instinct of what God wants.
. “And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” -Genesis 1:30
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I’m not a meat-eater, but the Bible commands meat to be eaten when the Passover was eaten traditionally.
“The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt, “This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year. Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb for his family, one for each household. If any household is too small for a whole lamb, they must share one with their nearest neighbor, having taken into account the number of people there are. You are to determine the amount of lamb needed in accordance with what each person will eat. The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats. Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the members of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast. Do not eat the meat raw or boiled in water, but roast it over a fire-with the head, legs and internal organs. Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it. This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; it is the LORD’s Passover.”
Exodus 12:1-11 NIV
@@longleggedmacdaddy5313 that was before Jesus died tho
MERSADEEZ HENDRICKS And what relevance does that have? Jesus ate meat, and Paul says that the Passover is to still be kept by Christians.
@@longleggedmacdaddy5313 And there is no verse in the new testament that condemns eating meat. Christ didn't die on the cross to validate veganism people... wake up and get outside of yourselves.
Mordion Correct, there are no verses in the Bible that condemn eating meat. If you read my post, you would’ve seen that I said that there are verses that COMMAND eating meat. What was the point of your comment?
My goal is to get rich and then support you and your work in any way I can. I love you so much Ed
What is being done to the precious, innocent, and defenseless animals is blasphemous. This is not the will of the Creator, it is the will of "something else".
TheFettuck God doesn t even exist=)What are you talking about?You can save more plants by not eating animals it takes 16 pounds of plants to get 1 pound of meat so...yeah
If God wanted to animals to live compassionate with one another he would've made them that way
I have seen god made 4 aligators rip apart an alive zebra!
Julius Cox no he wouldn’t. He HAS to give us the choice
Have you read the BIble??? HE did! In the first 8pages. Gen 1:29 God gave ALL creatures the green her and seed bearing fruit as their food. Satan & sun corrupted everything and turned creation against each other. Nice try tho. Get to know God for real. Why would He call himself merciful and compassionate, say He loves His animals , cares for them , takes vengeance for them and more yet create them to suffer?? Hello?!!
I hear even non-Christians referring to biblical justifications and it's puzzling.
Ro Ku well, my god is Scottish and has 3 Michelin stars
My goodness, that's almost Gordon Ramsay!
The normal age of weaning is a few years. I'm not sure why some people can't break the breastfeeding habit and think they need to keep at it as adults.
God said for Adam & Eve to be vegan in the Garden of Eden, then told Noah that he could eat reptile eggs because there would not be much food right after the flood. That usually gets mistranslated though.
Literal Hebrew to English translation: "Every creeping thing that is alive, to you it is for food, as the green herb I have given to you the whole."
King James translation: "Every moving thing that livith shall be meat for you, even as the green herb have I given you all things."
The word creeping is "remes" in Hebrew and means reptiles. Also notice how the King James usually translates food to meat, and not just this verse.
skyisthelimit @readyornotfor2
We are in a fallen state so that is why we may eat what we want.
Besides that it is important that you eat conscious, even if you eat meat.
Focus on the vegan side of things like digestion, then a whole world of batshit crazy ungrounded bullshit nowhere to be found in nature opens up... Crazy world those vegan egos trying to talk their way into things... Repeat repeat repeat.. vegans are egonazis and like to babbel on in babylon without intelligence.
Everyone has different interpretations of religious texts & meanings. Here's mine. In the beginning, we were placed in a garden, & told that plants are our food, & not to touch the forbidden "fruit of knowledge - of good & evil," lest we would surely die. That fruit I believe, was the fruit of the womb, of living, sentient creatures, with conscious knowledge, of good & evil. It's the "food" that keeps on killing us, today! By the next generation, it is written, that Cain's first plant harvest, offering to "God," was inferior to the blood sacrifice of his biological brother, Able. This is where religion first indoctrinates us into the notion that slaughter, & bloodshed are pleasing, to "God." At least the god they were dealing with - at that time. ? This story raises two doubts. One, of editing by later scribes, & two, the question, 'Did we abandon our original creator, in favor of one who seems to rule this world today - one with an insatiable bloodlust?' Jesus, I belive, came to convince people to repent of their original sin, & free themselves of filthy appetites, & deception, that they would be healed. He encountered his biggest confrontation at the temple, where animals were being sold for religious sacrifice.
But he asked us to remember him 'when we eat & drink.' He probably NEVER fed any 'fish' to 'the 5000,' but rather made bread from sea vegetation, served with grapes. This story could easily have been altered to fit Rome's revamped, made over, doctrinal teachings, with Jesus as it's new face. His true identity was most likely snuffed out with the early Vegan Christians, who were fed to lions (to make that eternal, food chain point!) The image of Jesus was simply used to rubberstamp Rome's newfound! 'spirtual' empire. As the world today, races to it's own destruction, Jesus must return again - in some form - to save the whole earth (not just doctrinal Christian believers). Vegans are that 'salt of the earth' movement, washing their robes. We don't need to wait & see if there IS some actual, flesh & blood Jesus coming from the sky, or whatever; because God's message of love for all creatures, is speaking loudly & clearly through our hearts (humanity's essence). By eating a clean diet, & championing love for every creature with a face, that expresses itself as a sentient, coscious, child of God in mortal form, we reconnect with our hearts, & God's true plan of peace on earth. We have all been deceived by those whose best interest lies in keeping the world bathed in blood. We're called, to wake up the critical mass of humanity, to save it. We're still predominantly in darkness, but the light is growing!
I read all what you said & totally agree -- it was the flesh-eaters/milk drinkers of organized religions who corrupted the holy books & started spreading lies about the true nature of God. People should listen to their gut instincts that no God would condone, allow, give permission to kill innocent beings for food or anything -- ever. He gave us a world full of plants for that :)
That is because you are raised in society not in nature. Your mind is limited to thought inside society not grounded in nature. All the bullshit you tell comes from society thinking, nature itself does not work that way.
Oohhh and just a litte sign amd gift for you people who like to misinterpret texts: god is not of this world, it states that very very clearly.
I think I am going to rethink my atheism from now.
But the old testament God is just that
I've been looking forward to this one. Great job, Ed.
You're doing Gods work I tell ya!
Marina Raiss
Satans work.
God is not if this world ;)
@@zengerz no u
@@littlebear9842
Stfu
Mother natures brestfeds babies dumbass
I’m Christian and vegan. I think Since Jesus teaches mercy, love, self control, kindness and compassion, we should not be abusing and harming animals and our planet. God created animals, he loves them, they are his creation, and we have a responsibility to treat them with compassion.
Well said!
I’m not vegan but this is interesting to learn different points of view
true
What’s stopping you from no longer hurting animals?
Thanks for being open minded friend :)
@@summerskye9783 these type of comments.
@@summerskye9783 because I do not care about animals. Yes, I might see horrifying photos and videos of animal suffering. But I do not have enough love and sympathy even towards humans. So, why would I care about animals? Sorry, but this is true
This made me cry more then when I broke up with my boyfriend yesterday. It triggered such a deep moment with god. This man is incredible.
First, I would like to say I am a vegan and a Christian. Ed asks the perfect questions. I believe God wants us to love and care for His creatures no matter how big or small.
So with that i would like to make a few points from the Bible If you are interested in what it says.
1.) If you are a Christian then you believe in our creation by God. In Genesis, God placed us in the garden of Eden to tend to it. He said that he gave green plants for food to all creatures. (Genesis 1:30) He made it very clear that plants are the food, not animals.
2.) If you are a Christian then you believe a perfect world will one day be established on this Earth. (Isaiah 65:17-25) This Scripture touches on the perfection and peace of what God desires for us. It tells us that the sound of weeping will be heard no more. I know that includes the sounds of ALL of Gods Creation. The Scripture goes on to say that even animals will no longer consume other animals. The world will be at complete peace.
3.) God cares for all of His creation. One of my Favorite Scriptures. (Psalm 36:6) “Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains, your judgments are like the great deep; you save humans and animals alike, O Lord.”
I could really Go on and on just on the Scriptures that show God's compassion to All living creatures.
For those that care, there are also many scripture of God making a covenant with Humans and animals. That causes me to ask myself, "self, why would God make a covenant with these lowly and unintelligent creatures that are merely food and resources?" I discovered the answer after becoming vegan. Because God loves His creation and wants us to do the same. (Proverbs 12:10) "A righteous man regardes the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel." That's right, he calls a cruel action toward a "beast" wicked.
Since becoming vegan my respect for all creatures, even insects, has greatly increased. So, Earthling Ed, if you read this, please research the scriptures. Even if its purely to have ammunition against the so called "Christian" way of belief. Change needs to happen. I want to help. If anyone has questions I will be glad to offer assistance in scripture reserch no matter your way of believing.
Thanks! Have a great day!
How about when someone brings up about how god to use to sacrifice animals for us amd that he gave use animals as lifestock and we that we are.free to eat what we want.
i literally want to throw up everytime i think of people eating animals.....
mandii babii I had milk in the morning today, sorry no carcusses
ahh now
Drives me crazy. Fucken meat eaters. They blind lol
hahahahahahahah weak human
Same here but my family are all omnivores, and ironically keep on using the religion excuse to back up their immoral ways
I created a video that activists can use for Christians who will not be persuaded to go vegan unless the Bible tells them to. I've compiled biblical verses that show that Eden was vegan, God is making people vegan in the present day, and all people and even animals will be vegan in the future, and heaven is even vegan. Not only that, but the Bible states that animals have souls, and more!
Vegan Bible verses. There's a few.
Send the link.
Be blessed
It makes sense that Heaven is vegan. It’s supposed to be a perfect place with no misery.
SAY IT AGAIN FOE THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!!!
I really appreciate the way you explain this, I've watched lots of vegan RUclipsrs and whenever religion is brought up or using God as an excuse for eating meat, they become very hostile, and instead of explaining it in a calm and responsible way, they just insult the logic of people who believe in God and go on about how stupid religion is. But you really explained it in a way that many religious people can relate to.
prob cuz they got sick of the abuse vice versa being told "God said so" or whatever made up stuff God did not say or twisting scripture. Not excusing it but more Christians have chased away vegans from God with the illogical misinterpreting of verses than the other way around. I shutter to think the souls lost for the kingdom. :(
I’m giving this to my fifth grader who said his friend used god as an excuse. Thank you, Ed.
If you are not VEGAN, you are Breaking ALL Ten Commandments. By Dr. Chapman Chen
Summary: Love of Christ is the underlying reason we are to keep the Ten Commandments. Jesus said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15 NKJV). Non-vegans violate not just the Sixth Commandment "Thou shalt not kill" but also all the other Commandments. E.g., in regarding humanity as superior to all other creatures of God, non-vegans deify themselves and break the 1st Commandment; in sacrificing animals to one's belly-idol, one breaks the 3rd Commandment; in eating God's creatures, thus failing to recognize that Sabbath is a reminder of creation, non-vegans break the 4th Commandment; in eating animal flesh and damage themselves physically, mentally and spiritually, non-vegans disgrace their parents and break the 5th Commandment; in forcefully and artificially inseminating cows and other female animals in order to get their milk, non-vegans break the 7th Commandment; in robbing animals of their food like honey, their skin, their hair, their feathers, their eggs, etc., non-vegans break the 8th Commandment; by misinterpreting "dominion" in Genesis 1:26 and speak unjustly about their animal neighbours, non-vegans break the 9th Commandment; in occupying and/or destroying animals' habitat for animal farming, for land development, etc., non-vegans break the 10th Commandment.
Full text link: www.hkbnews.net/post/if-you-are-not-vegan-you-break-all-ten-commandments-by-dr-chapman-chen
The Bible says ‘thou shall not kill!’
Muslim convert! I was pretty much born a vegetarian since I've never liked the taste or smell of meat, and growing up meat often made me feel sick if I ate it. It still does, and I even threw up once after eating it at a restaurant that we went to on a regular basis. This was ages ago, but I still feel the same way about meat to this day, I don't like it, it doesn't agree with me, and once I had learnt where it actually comes from I was glad I didn't like it in the first place. I've always loved animals, and I don't like to think of them as our food; they are living creatures who experience emotions just like we do, and they deserve our love, respect and care, not for us to kill them just for our own consumption. In Islam, killing an animal for food is done in a peaceful way, without torturing the animal. Words from the Qur'an are whispered and sang into the ear of a healthy and well looked after animal, and they suddenly stop struggling and lie down, relaxing completely in the arms of the slaughterer, feeling no stress as they know where they're going when they die; to God. I respect this way of ending an animal's life for food if the people really feel the need for it, which is why I love Islam so much. You must show love for an animal, even when you're about to kill it. And treating animals with respect is always encouraged in Islam, in fact it's something that's asked of you as part of your duty on this world. If animals are treated badly or cruelly by people, then those people will be punished for their actions. Ending an animal's life is only necessary for when it's for food, or if the creature opposes some sort of threat to you or someone else around you; to protect yourself, and even then you should try to avoid killing it. Hurting creatures is never encouraged, and you should avoid causing any harm at all to a creature, be it physical or mental.
As for animal-based products, I've actually noticed that when I eat a lot of cheese, I start feeling sweaty, and dairy often makes me have a runny nose. I guess I'm mildly lactose intolerant too. So I've recently decided to cut down on cheese and milk. Unless they're on or in something (pizza, ice cream ect), I'm not going to consume that much. Like I used to put cheese on bread and stuff, but I might not do that so much now. I feel like it would be healthier, since eating cheese is supposed to be as addictive to taking drugs. That's why people love it so much lol.
Really great video, loved the points you made. Almost made me want to go vegan myself 😂😂
Every bite of cheese and glass of milk is loaded with suffering, pus and blood. You should be avoiding it like the plague knowing where it comes from -- a sad mother cow who carried her baby for 9 months then had him taken away from her immediately after birth, the baby either bolt gunned in the head that day or held chained up for veal. There's hundreds of substitutes for cheese and milks made from cashews, coconut, rice, oats, etc.
Facts and logic destroys carnist nonsense every time
Louis Gedo
Ooo cool, good society thinking!
Lucky me I look at nature and seeing all those babies sucking mothers fatt amd proteine like little canniballs tells us a whole different little fact. The placement of our eyes too.
Ed is a deceiver idiot, like every vegan ego is a deceiving fool too easy to debunk.
The bible states clearly: god is NOT of this world.
Dumb vegans openly being retareded assholes clinging into biased and selective racist shit while neglecting nature is pathetic.
Buddha tho! Sorry I had to bc I love temple food (vegan, plus some other restrictions) more than any other food on earth. Some religions teach us to NOT kill and eat animals...though I wonder why people don't follow these teachings. I'm not Buddhist (I was raised/am atheist) but I agree with those teachings.
I’m a buddhist. And yes strict buddhist do not eat meat. basically not taking life of anything as much as possible
Tristan Devereaux very true, plenty of vegetarians/vegans throughout history that didn’t advocate for eating animals, so it’s just an excuse when ppl use because no religion mandates eating animals, but then again maybe satanists would disagree xo
I love buddhism. It's not a religion at all, it's kind of like... a philosophy. I wish more buddhists were vegan (:
I know plenty of Buddhists who eat meat, dairy products and eggs etc and have argued that according their own teachings they shouldn't be doing this but I've actually heard a Buddhist monk state categorically that they have to eat what they're given so have no choice. Sounds like hipocrassy to me! Another monk once said that because they do not take part in the killing or suffering of the animals they can eat and use animal products. Again, this is a cop out. I used to belong to a Buddhist group (Triratna) and they stuck to a strict vegan diet.
Yes, i spoke with many monks and most of them ate animal products for the same reasons. It´s really sad, before going to Asia i didn´t expect that from Buddhists.
Those videos of the animals in hell just destroyed meh heart meh soul
Chris not Bris Same :(
My body is starting to reject animal products...... I feel their suffering. I cried over a pizza.... a PIZZA.
You explained this absolutely beautifully!
This excuse really upsets me when I hear it, because it implies that all religious types are of this opinions - and that couldn’t be farther from the truth. As others have said, the Bible tells us we were created vegan, and only permitted animal food after the flood. As you say in the video, it was necessary for survival at that times because of a scarcity of plant matter. But nowadays there is no need to continue with what should have been a temporary measure. I truly believe that one of the best ways you can worship your deities is to respect the world they gave us.
Also there are translations of the bible where Jesus (God) says not to harm or kill or eat humans OR animals, any of his creations. And to spread peace, love, and kindness. Check out the gospel of the nazarenes. So someone translated or wrote in purposely to kill and eat Gods creations in the bible, hmmm i wonder why? (Sarcasm)
TheFettuck We can't stop killing fungi and bacteria. That is not in our power. But,we can stop the exploitation of many of our non human beings at the hands of profit driven corporations.
There is nothing you can eat on this earth that isn't alive. That's a fact.. just because it's not furry with big innocent eyes doesn't mean it's not alive. Also, in terms of bible translations you should actually research them.. in the original aramaic (old testament) and greek (new testament) you'll find that the verses pertaining to meat aren't twisted as you've described. Gen 9:3 for example: "Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything."
if god gave us animals to eat, why would he make them able to feel pain?
Then he wouldn't make animals have the conscious to each other
I just converted to vegetarianism almost a week ago and I’m super motivated and proud of myself and can’t wait to continue on this journey. Eventually I would like to convert to veganism but I don’t want to jump right in because I’ve done that before and ended up failing. Wish me luck ❤️
How is your journey going? It's been a year!
If it helps, when you are in a discussion with someone Christian. You could point this part of the Bible. We were designed to eat vegetables.
Genesis 1:29-30:
"29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground-everything that has the breath of life in it-I give every green plant for food.” And it was so."
Genesis 1:26 says otherwise
As God created everything, he too created the animals of this earth in his image. How can one say he is truly a servant of his lord when he is unnecessarily killing his beings, his earth and his image. Indeed, we are doing the Devils work.
And God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;''
Genesis 1:29
*Benjamin Scotch* correct me if I'm wrong but according to the religion... all men are sinners and fall short... and there is no listing of sins that are worse or better than any other. So a thing one may see as small... is no less of a sin than one that you see as big. And if committing a sin equates to "not being a true servant", then who on earth is a true servant?
In addition, saying plants are food doesn't equate to saying "animals are not". I am not religious... so I may not understand everything, but in the bible, where does it say eating animals is a sin?
Benjamin Scotch I believe Adam and Eve where vegans, they lived alongside animals as their brethren and where told to eat the plants. Only when they sinned and were thrown out in a barren land did God say they could eat meat because there was no other way they could live out of Eden. Today though, we’re living in our own manmade Eden with plenty of plant foods.
We don't kill the plants, you silly goose. The only way to kill a plant is direct destruction of the whole plant, which we humans do not do. It's stupid. When I collect my vegs and fruits from my garden, I don't pull their roots out. That is such a waste of a strong plant and means more work for me for new harvest, because it means starting all over. I don't cut down the mango tree to eat one mango. 100% for me, I pick up the mango that was fallen (I never buy my mangoes at stores; they are tasteless). There are people who eat a burger who are wasteful... kill the whole cow just for one big mac. :X
Now leciticus please...
S god is not of our world, makes it very clear but you folks all think you are educated instead of misled by jews
God put tofu etc in the shops and said that most of you don't need to kill for food any more. And for those who say that plants suffer, maybe they do. I don't know. But I sure know that animals do. Many people would not get upset emotionally by seeing plants being harvested but would have a vicarious reaction to see the torment and slaughter of animals first hand.
God says their are Animals we are allowed to eat, and Animals that are not allowed to eat, clean and unclean.
I am a Christian and vegan 💚🌱 if God is love (what he is) then he is against Animal crultey so we should be it too!!!!
Genesis Ch9 V3
*_Every moving thing_*_ that lives _*_shall be food_*_ for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs._
Leviticus Ch11 V1-3
_Now the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying: "These are the _*_animals which you may eat_*_ - whatever divides the hoof, having cloven hooves and chewing the cud... all that are in the water: whatever in the water has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers."_
Right on point. You're awesome, Ed. Thank you for what you do.
God gave us free will ,my free will tells me not to harm animals so I’m vegan , I think God will be pleased with me , no force needed , just love of Gods creation 🙏🕊🌱💚x
You are such a blessing to the world Ed, especially to the animals.
He is :)
Wow! These were some of the best arguments I've ever seen, man. This video is straight fire. Recently, I started eating vegetarian (I know, I know I'm not quite there yet), but I feel better healthwise and now, I'm feeling better about not consuming animal flesh anymore...I used to eat meat pretty much seven days a week. Now, I'm more than a week in and feeling a lot better about my choices. Ultimately, I wanna transition into 100% plant-based eating. I've also been raised to believe in God, still believe in God, and this vid is quite encouraging to me in how it approaches this topic.
I have always thought that us humans are the most disgusting being on earth. But seeing you makes me think that maybe there is still hope for a better world.
A very good talk to show those who are consistent meat/ fish eaters, without pointing the finger. Many people never consider the suffering. Some quote Jesus ate a sacrificial lamb..not thinking it was so long ago, not killing them on mass and in factories, where they are lined up, and each animal smells and sees others....are we monsters agreeing to the, there’s so manny other foods to eat.
Wow! Youre a genius ! Keep the good work
He's quite dumb, he forgets necessary points, as an excuse to "try" make the world vegan.
I've literally researched 'what the Bible says about food' and quite honestly, there is a HEAVY vegan undertone lol. Plants, fruits, 'all that is living and alive' (ie not dead flesh.)
'All that grows throughout the land' 🤝
I respect that you choose to be a vegan, i respect you for standing up and bringing awareness to the cruelty thats going on in the world. My heart breaks when i see any cruelty. I do my best to help animals in need.
Sadly we live in a fallen world that loves darkness, rebellion against God and injustice (sin) more then it loves the light and righteousness and God (holiness)
As a bible believing christian i believe that the bible is the word of God and i believe it is the truth. The bible does not condemn people from using animals to work for us, be our companions or to clothe us, or feed us. The bible demands us to take good care of our animals, give them shelter, food, care and to spare them from cruelty, suffering, sickness and starvation. God hates injustice he tells us to stand up for the weak and the ones without a voice.
Pease try to understand christians who live their life according to Gods Word.
Jesus Christ is the truth, the way and the life. All men have sinned against God and need to repent from their evil deeds, Jesus is God in the flesh. He died for our sins so we can be forgiven for our sins.
He is the only one who will save our souls from eternal destruction. And the only one who will give us eternal life.
This is perfect ❤️
I can't wait to share this with my Christian friends who try to hide behind the bible when I challenge them with veganism.
I feel like ur an annoying friend if ur tryna tell someone else what to eat
Jtv Vibes not what you eat, who you eat
yup- let them know they are believing the deception from mistranslations and lack of knowledge and study.
Indian-vegan. Much love to u. We humans are savages. There is no heaven for none of us.
Please make video on the argument: Killing animals for food is legal, so it’s ok. (Amazing job with these videos btw!)
Here's another one that actually makes you think. "If we have pets, we need slaughterhouses to feed them since cats need meat to survive". I don't know how to solve this one.
CatLover I let my cat out to hunt
My cats don't hunt and one of them is an indoor cat
CatLover well cats need meat to survive, while we absolutely don’t.
CatLover
It seems cats can live on a vegan diet supplemented with synthetic taurine. It's true that some, especially males, may develop urinary tract problems on such a diet. For those cases, adding a small quantity of meat in their diet may be required.
Anyway, in a few years we'll have commercially available cultured meat, which will solve the problem, both for cats, and for humans who still think they must eat meat.
I agree with you
God gave us dominion over the animal kingdom. Animals and human beings are 2 completely different things in the bible. Humans are what's known as "man" (man & wo-man) and made in the image of God. Animals are known as "creatures". Jesus Christ allowed all things to be clean and eaten (meat etc.) If you're biblical stance is that Jesus said it was okay to eat fish and animals back in the day because food was scarce back then... well...you're simply wrong and don't understand the bible. Bible teaches things for generations to come. God is the same yesterday today and tomorrow. He knows what the future holds. So for Him to say it would be accepted because food was scarce is not accurate because He would know that in the future we'd have access to all types of food. And if he knows that and still makes eating meat acceptable then there is nothing wrong with it.
You ask questions like why would God allow pain and suffering for an animal, well they are not the same as man (and He actually loved the sacrifice of a lamb and the scent it produced for Him from the fat etc.). But also...God is mysterious as well...if you were able to understand His ways and make sense of all of them he wouldn't be worth worshipping that's for certain. So just because you can't comprehend something God does...doesn't mean there is something wrong with it.
Ps. Although sure, i agree it's not necessary to eat meat. I enjoy it, I love eating meat.
It's not a necessity to get married or have sex either, but guess what...people do that. Because it's a gift from God that he allows us to enjoy. Just like the animals he gave us dominion over to eat (should we choose to eat them).
That’s a really common argument. The taste argument. Does pleasure alone justify violence? Because if so by your definition rape would be justified since a rapists likes the pleasure from rape the way you like the taste pleasure of eating animals
Why would an all loving God create a living, feeling being and say it was okay to murder them and take their life.
Jesus said many times that he does not want our animal sacrafices.
Taste is a pleasure, and if you want to use pleasure to condone an action then we could use the bible to justify many things we don't accept as morally right in todays society.
@@116graceandglory what are you going on about? Jesus Christ Himself ate FISH! And in the old testament GOD LOVED the smell of a burnt offering from animals...the "aroma" was "pleasing to Him". You're forgetting God gave MAN (which is his greatest and most pleasing creation) dominion over the aninal kingdom. Which means he gave us the animals to use towards OUR benefit, whether we use them for sacrafices (which we don't need to do anymore because Jesus Christ was the ultimate sacrifice for our sins), or food, or clothing, or a means to get around etc. God is loving always. We also don't murder animals. Murder means your sole intent is to kill someone. When we kill an animal, it's not just for the sake of killing it...it's to benefit us and use it in some sort of way (as i previously mentioned).
@@tanyabarbie895 I'm sorry but this is where nonsense is just nonesense. You really just compared the pleasure of a rapist raping someone to the pleasure you get from eating food. Think about that for a second. One is a disgusting sin (rape) the other is not (eating animals for food). They are in no way on the same spectrum.
@@DubMagic12 Jesus ate fish, yes, because 3000 years ago during a time of famine and drought it was necessary.
It is no longer necessary for us to eat meat in the 21st century to either thrive or survive.
An animal does not choose to die, they would choose to live given the choice. They do not freely come to us and accept their death.
Have you accidently ever stepped on a dog's paw or cats tail? They yelp out in pain and move out the way. They feel, they suffer.
You can not tell me inflicting suffering on a sentient being is a Godly act.
God gave us dominion over earth, yet humans use dominion to destroy it. Factually, agriculture is a leading cause to the destruction of our earth.
If I gave my son a puppy and said "son, you have dominion over this puppy" and he took that puppy, put in a crate, went to the kitchen, grab a knife and slit that puppys throat. Would I say "that's okay son, as long as you eat it, you have done the right thing"? No.
You can not tell me, that if Jesus came to earth and walked through a slaughter house, he would be pleased.
Jesus and the devil are in a room. In that room is a bowl of fruits and a live chicken. Who kills the chicken to eat it and who eats the bowl of fruits?
The problem with people getting their veganism from religion is- what happens when they change their beliefs? People who don't get their morality from themselves, and instead from some external creed, are very flawed.
I showed my sister this video and she truly believes God made humans superior and that animals are just instinctual and "not as important as humans". It's SO frustrating!! I don't know what I can politely say to her without going crazy! I tried to explain speciesism to her, but she just refuses to listen. I guess I'm just very frustrated with how people can still be so arrogant, even after its well explained right in front of them. Any suggestions? Please help 😓
There is no god
Finally, we got the answer! How did you find out?
Prove there is no God.
Prove there is a god .
And unicorns and fairies while your at it .
Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence
I can't prove something to you that you mock because it's beyond your comprehension. I can't show you something you refuse to believe could even exist. It's an innate belief you won't allow your mind to accept. Just remember, there's no atheists in the foxhole. When you reincarnate, perhaps you'll remember.
Let me get this right ... you can not prove the existence of god because I don’t believe? Lol
I don’t believe in god , Allah, Thor , Zeus , Buddha , Santa or the tooth fairy because there is absolutely no evidence.
Reincarnation is bullshit .
I believe in being a vegan because of the evidence. The evidence that proves it’s bad for the planet, for our health and very bad for animals.
I don’t need magic and faith to tell me that .
Oh my goodness! Thank you so much! I live in a Christian community and most people will point to some Old Testament verse about allowing us to kill animals. It's hard to have a discussion when we are on different levels. Thank you for giving me logical points to bring to the table.
Genesis 1:26
"No religion says it's a necessity to consume animal products.
Because it's not a necessity it means it still can't be justified"
There you go again... not justified to you doesn't equate to not justified to everyone. Your moral opinions don't equate to everyone's.
You believe a benevolent God wouldn't want us to eat his animals if you wouldn't have to. Another opinion that can be countered with "I believe he'd want us to eat animals, regardless".
Why would he want us to inflict pain? Who knows? Maybe his knowledge of the universe and everything around us is far superior and beyond anything that our limited minds can come up with? Maybe he's far superior in every way and knows better than we do like a parent does their child. Who knows?
When people use their beliefs to justify taking the life of an animal or a sentient living being that becomes disingenuous? What? Lol. What makes it so? That's like saying "When people use their beliefs to justify not taking the life of an animal or a sentient living being that becomes disingenuous". Vegans use their beliefs of what should be to justify their actions... are they too disingenuous?
If someone uses their interpretation to justify killing an animal, that's their interpretation. That's their belief. Having that belief doesnt mean they have to accept the same for humans. That's how it works. If they believe the bible or religion is telling them this or that then that's their interpretation, their opinionated belief of what it's saying. The same way vegans have their beliefs of what should or shouldn't be done except vegans appeal to emotions while they appeal to religion.
If you justify one interpretation, you have to justify all? Um... no. Your logic could be used with morals as a whole. If we accept one persons interpretation of what is good or bad then we must accept all because not everyone shares the same interpretation of what's good or bad.
Lastly, everything else just seems to be you giving your opinion of what a God would do or what he wants. Questions could be asked... if God is all knowing, then he must have known what we were gonna do before we did it. If he didn't intend for us not to do whatever we want, take animal lives, etc, then why does he let us? Your logic is flawed and can be easily countered, and I'm not even religious.
Porky The Pig, What if your mother regrets giving birth to you & wants an abortion now?
Porky The Pig is the person that loves animals and yet eats pork. This brilliant mind evidently sees no contradiction in this.
Porky The Pig so if extremists interprete the bible or the quran to kill all the non believing it is ok to you because it is an interpretation?
*Xultrain Kaos* that's one way to think about it... but one thing you may be missing is that good and bad as people usually see it are just opinions that can vary depending on the person. Many typically base "good and bad" off of things we want or like. So basically anyone could be called "good".
*Patrick McAsey* you are the brilliant mind that still hasn't explained how it is contradiction nor answered or "corrected" me to explain why what I say is not true. I even told you that I was willing to listen, yet you still fail to explain. How do you expect one to learn if you aren't willing to explain? Why can't I love animals, yet consume them?
Produce with no Seeds is not Food. GOD.
I'm a vegan
Hunting NZ ruclips.net/video/9xG5EXxFSiQ/видео.html
Hunting Animals, Sure you are ;)
Broadway Kanobi Ave Being vegan doesn't mean I can't kill them
Hunting Animals, Yeah yeah sure why not, Is not like the Vegan Community was created for peace. Nooo it's ok to kill them because I'm not eating them. Fuck off.
Broadway Kanobi Ave Only vegan for health advantages
Thanks for this video Ed, I will be sharing it on all the Christian Vegan forums and Facebook pages that I follow.
You said no compassionate God will allow creatures to feel pain. I disagree. Nature is filled with pain. Should we fight against childbirth or promote pharmaceuticals because childbirth is painful then? I'm a mom of 2. Parenthood requires a lot of pain and suffering. Is sacrificing for my kids wrong then since it involves pain? Pain can be a useful and, in some cases, a beautiful thing. Just because something comes with pain doesn't mean it's automatically wrong.
This is so true! I hope that by sharing this video, that at least one person will take this seriously and make a change! I do believe that someday we will live in a vegan world!
well then the world will end im scared now
3:56 We also genetically modify plants for our consumption too!
If you are not VEGAN, you are Breaking ALL Ten Commandments. By Dr. Chapman Chen
Summary: Love of Christ is the underlying reason we are to keep the Ten Commandments. Jesus said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15 NKJV). Non-vegans violate not just the Sixth Commandment "Thou shalt not kill" but also all the other Commandments. E.g., in regarding humanity as superior to all other creatures of God, non-vegans deify themselves and break the 1st Commandment; in sacrificing animals to one's belly-idol, one breaks the 3rd Commandment; in eating God's creatures, thus failing to recognize that Sabbath is a reminder of creation, non-vegans break the 4th Commandment; in eating animal flesh and damage themselves physically, mentally and spiritually, non-vegans disgrace their parents and break the 5th Commandment; in forcefully and artificially inseminating cows and other female animals in order to get their milk, non-vegans break the 7th Commandment; in robbing animals of their food like honey, their skin, their hair, their feathers, their eggs, etc., non-vegans break the 8th Commandment; by misinterpreting "dominion" in Genesis 1:26 and speak unjustly about their animal neighbours, non-vegans break the 9th Commandment; in occupying and/or destroying animals' habitat for animal farming, for land development, etc., non-vegans break the 10th Commandment.
Full text link: www.hkbnews.net/post/if-you-are-not-vegan-you-break-all-ten-commandments-by-dr-chapman-chen
Today I met a person after hearing out whom I had to think of your channel and trying to find answers here. I have never really had intense vegan discussions with others but I wasn't prepared for this person's opinion.
They said "god created animals so we could feed on them, so why wouldn't you eat animals? Read Bible, it's in there" (I'm not religious) so I asked how they could eat a god's creature that feels pain and doesn't want to die and what I got was "what do you mean they don't want to? They are not humans" ... And I know this lady is intelligent but I've never seen a person who would put no value in anyone's life but human's.
I've been looking for that answer. Thank you so much Ed!
I want to add some knowledge to this as well as a Bible Scholar: 1. The Bible indicates that the first time man was able to eat animals for food was only after the flood haened in Noahs day. Thus, it indicates that before that, people were vegan or vegetarian. And the only reason Noah was told that he could eat meat was because the world was just starting to grow its plant life back. It had flooded. So this indicates we were originally meant to be vegan. 2. Hellfire is just a doctrine made up from Catholosism. There is no place of ffirery torment that exists in the scritptures. There is a place called Gehenna, which was used symbolicaly to refer to everlasting death. It originally was a firey pit to burn trash in in Israel. 3. In the book of Jonah, at the end, God says to Jonah when talking about why He wanted to save the city of Ninevah from destruction, "Should I not care for the many people in Ninevh who do not know right from wrong, as well as their many anmals?" 4. The wolf and the lamb will lie together in peace." A prophecy that says further that there will be a time hen animals will evolve past carnivores to a whole world of herbivores.
This should be a philosophical debate, but you are making a theological argument. You affirm that God deems killing animals a sin, except in the case of necessity. Why the exception clause? Why does the circumstance of our hunger ever justify an intrinsic evil? Circumstances never make an evil act good. I can’t justifiably murder a person when I’m hungry because murder is intrinsically evil, always and everywhere. You premise assumes Macchiavellianism, a view Scripture condemns. A good end never justifies evil means. But, in the case of killing animals to eat them, there is no evil means. God commands the sacrifice (and therefore killing) of animals for centuries, and he commands good things not evil things. He also commanded our first parents to subdue the earth. Does God command an evil action in Genesis? Does Jesus in the Gospels, when he declares all food clean? By all means, invite your friends to make a sacrifice for the sake of compassion. But I don’t suggest you attempt a biblical argument for the sin of eating meat. It is not a winning strategy.
i am thinking, as God allows us to eat meat, are the animal really feeling pain as we do?
i am thinking in my perfect world, as God gave animals functions and when we slaughter them, i want to think, they are not actually feeling pain at all
animal = innocent as such why feel pain? i hope they feel happiness and why not pleasure because they have fulfilled the goal what Almighty Compassionate Creator has given to them.
and to bring science into this kind of a believe system, how would it even work 100% correctly, because i understand science is all about 100% facts but how these are facts if they change according to technological advancements...
i am still learning, sorry for interruption.
What If someone says that God created animals for us to eat how do we answer to that and debunk that argument?
This is so well said! I have had so many people use their religion to say that being vegan is wrong! I so appreciate that you have put together all of the facts and ideas that I want to communicate to people with this argument. Thanks Ed✌🏻
Actually, Jesus was not quoted correctly.
The Bible was manipulated by so many people that there’s not much truth left.
Jesus, of course, loved animals and he OF COURSE fought for their rights.
Just want to let you know how helpful these videos are! As a vegan you get asked lots of tricky questions that you don’t know the best answer to. Was having a conversation today about eating animals with a moderately religious person and couldn’t answer her question to the best of my ability after the convo was over I thought about these vids and decided to rewatch!
God never said we have to eat animals and never said we couldn't
Adam and Eve were vegan until they sinned and were sent out of the garden which was seen as “gods perfect place”
Were? They existed?
I'm a muslim vegan and I don't think eating meat is an excuse, it's just an action. Fot me, what made me become vegan is not neccessiarly just the slaughter of animals, but mostly the cruel treatment for animals through literally their whole lives. In my religion a woman was punished or sent to hell for caging a cat, and we have really strict rules for dealing with animals especially those are to be consumed but sadly now people only care about the Islamic way of slaughtering rather than the actual rules of treatment. In school I was taught that nails must always be trimmed when milking a cow so that it won't get hurt, but the mass production nowadays is crazy and cruel.
I think it's alright to drink a cow milk IF there is a leftover AFTER her baby had already drink and both are not seperated or caged or injected with hormones but obviously that's not what's happening. The same with eggs. Sadly it's factories who do the job not farms.
As for eating meat, of course it is not forced and we can live without it nowadays. But I want to say that God's word is unchangable. So saying it was allowed before but not now is not so valid. Even in old Islamic text it was recommended to eat meat very fewly cause eating a lot stiffens the heart. Although I don't prefer to kill animals but I really want to put spotlight on the way they are caged and treated.
I really love the idea of loving animals and appreciating them and seeing them as more than food. I think it's better to show the suffering of the animals since they are born instead of just telling people to not eat meat bluntly. I also believe in a co-existence between consuming animal products like eggs and milk in a way that does not harm the animal in any possible way but that's not going to happen with the mass factories production. Many people still think that animals are RAISED happily in FARMS but the truth is they are CAGED in FACTORIES.
Guy Incognito or just disappear yourself.
Same! I am a vegan and muslim too mainly because of the cruelty and overproduce/consumption. I dont believe halal meat really exists anymore and we dont need to eat meat to survive. We can get more benifit from the amazing plants Allah has created, which are far more beneficial then all those meat, eggs and dairy with lots of things in them that humans put there. A knowledgable muslim would and should be vegan.
I dont understand how some of you guys are saying you're catholic /christian saying its wrong when jesus literally fed thousands of people fish.... 🤔🤨
Exactly. And then we have Ed, who is not even religious as far as I am aware, lecturing religious people how compassionate God would be mad at us for eating animals....
@@Wlof25 last time i heard he was agnostic or something like that. there is street-discussion with one guy on his channel where he states that (i hope i got that right)
In the Baha’i faith although meat eating is not prohibited we are taught that mankind’s natural diet is fruit and grains (what grows from the ground)and it was prophecied that the world will move in that direction along side using food as medicine.
Thank you! I agree! We DO NOT need to eat animals. We NEED to STOP destroying God’s creation.
Elmo McPuppet,
All religions books, Bible, Qur’an, Torah, Zabur were altered by criminal men for their own benefit. There is NO good God that wants us to think, see, say or do EVIL. God is LOVING AND MERCIFUL. We have the free will to do good or evil. God said, Thy shall not kill, treat others the way you want to be treated, peace I give unto you on earth as it is in heaven.
Elmo McPuppet,
RE-READ my previous reply to you.
We must understand Scripture as a whole, and not only believe in it, but live by it, fully.
The first greatest commandment is this:
Jesus replied: Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. - Mathew 22:37
It is true that in Genesis, the beggining of time God declares to Adam and Eve that He has given them every plant and every seed yielding fruit and vegetation for food.
Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. - Genesis 1:29
However, later in scripture we learn that Adam and Eve rebel against The Lord, and they become shameful of their naked bodies, so The Lord Himself clothes them in animal skin. This is when humanity and the earth becomes corrupted by sin, due to the disobedience of men and women. However, God forgives the man and the woman, as He loves them.
And the LORD God made clothing from animal skins for Adam and his wife. - Genesis 3:21
What God says next is captivating, as it leads to the first announcement of Jesus's Coming in the NT.
And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." - Genesis 3:15
As we read on, The Lord then allows for the consumption of meat for Adam and Eve.
Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything. - Genesis 9:3
And even farther in scripture, God Himself tells us this:
The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. - Romans 14:3
I want to emphasize that for the content of this video I am sharing verses of the Bible regarding nourishement and food, although truly, the Bible does not solely rely on that. Animals are part of God's creation, but He is more concerned about Us, and He makes it clear throughout scripture. We see animals in a total different way than God does and that is when we deceive ourselves.
"What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them." - Mathew 15:11
God is clear when He declares that we as humans are His chosen ones.
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. - 1 Peter 2:9
He even warns us not to worship His creation.
And when you look up into the sky and see the sun, moon, and stars-all the forces of heaven-don’t be seduced into worshiping them. The LORD your God gave them to all the peoples of the earth. - Deuteronomy 4:19
And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles. - Romans 1:23
The greatest challenge that humanity has is to believe in the Gospel.
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. - John 3:16
We are in need of a Savior, and our own righteous deeds will not save the animals, nor the earth, nor humanity. The earth shall pass and The Lord will come.
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. - Luke 21:33
Therefore stay awake-for you do not know when the master of the house will come, in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or in the morning - Mark 13:35
For you know quite well that the day of the Lord’s return will come unexpectedly, like a thief in the night. - Thessalonians 5:2
It is written: "'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will acknowledge God.'"
- Romans 14:11
The very reason for Christ coming back is for the very reason that the world has become wicked and corrupted, in every way. We are sinful even in our own nature God declares.
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God - Ephesians 2:8
He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit. - Titus 3:5
It should come to no surprise that all of these terrible things are happening in the world, and that is not to say we should not do anything about it, however Jesus needs to be our main focus, for in Him there will be eternal life, in Him there is forgiveness of our sins.
Whether we choose to eat meat or plants we should seek God first, and consume in a way that is not only responsible, but Christ Honoring.
Lastly, I want to point out that nowhere in the Bible does God command for us be Vegan, for God and His faithful ones do not worship animals, nor do we make them a priority.
i am thinking, as God allows us to eat meat, are the animal really feeling pain as we do?
i am thinking in my perfect world, as God gave animals functions and when we slaughter them, i want to think, they are not actually feeling pain at all
animal = innocent as such why feel pain? i hope they feel happiness and why not pleasure because they have fulfilled the goal what Almighty Compassionate Creator has given to them.
and to bring science into this kind of a believe system, how would it even work 100% correctly, because i understand science is all about 100% facts but how these are facts if they change according to technological advancements...
i am still learning, sorry for interruption.
There's a lot in the Bible that is not of God, and it is obvious when you learn His character. The Garden of Eden represents a spiritual state, where God and man were familiar with each other. Note that God gave all plants for man to eat, not animals. Once that connection with God was destroyed, man left that spiritual 'garden' and then consumed meat. Then we see God again in some of the Prophets. Have a look at Isaiah where He says that a man who kills a bull is like one who kills a man, and people do things that displease Him. Jesus set free the animals in the temple that the people were selling for sacrifice. As for me, once I wanted to know God more, I became vegan. There is no violence on His 'holy mountain', and my spirit knows it's right not to eat dead flesh and cause suffering and harm
You're one of very few on here that actually comprehends what/who God really is. He is not found in a book rewritten by man and he certainly never told people to kill innocent beings. The atheists reject God as being cruel and the Bible people think God gave us animals to eat.... the truth is not found in either of those theories.
Bible clearly states god is not of this world...
And indeed we people are in a fallen state
The rest of all this veganism going on right now as flooded by media, youtubbe, facebook, masonic netflix etc.. a shitload of cash behind all this. Nothing more than a codex allimentarius/agenda21 campaign.
Dont let yourself be blinded from reality aka nature itself. You cant help other people properly being underfed
Maybe the authors didn't hear god correctly? Is it possible there could be any errors when this god was talking or inspiring the authors? Maybe the transcribers or the editors made a mistake!
It is possible that people change it, add things, or remive things out of the bible, thats another thing the bible says
In Christianity God says not to eat fat and flesh, but the says strong people eat whatever and weak one picks and chooses so...
I'm not religious at all but I've sometimes wondered whether that's the reason WHY I tend to do some research and try to fact check stuff. And people say that you need religion to have a sense of ethics. Sigh.
Also, it was weird that there was an advert for Milky Bars before this video.
I have a friend who believes in God, but doesn’t abide by one religion, and chooses what he thinks God would deem right and wrong. Ineed help in defeating his arguments. He believes:
1. Animals were created for the use and consumption of humans
2. Animals are not sentient, and do not need moral consideration
Is it possible to “prove” him wrong? Or does the conversation just end here?
Wow #2 is wild. Has this person never interacted with an animal?
What about cats and dogs? Ask him if he thinks it’s ok to beat and torture a dog?
If his answer is no, then he defeats his own argument. If his answer is yes, forget about him- he’s a sociopath, and can’t be convinced to care about any living creature.
but here have been lot of wonderful points, i think.
what are you doing with the wild animals that kill for living?
you won't kill them, hunting is prohibited = they will grow in numbers and soon would eat you?
or maybe now the "Necessity" applies?
i am just learning, asking stupid questions to understand how to apply it practically. maybe you have some Manual of Vegans?
The Christian has freedom to eat meat without it being a question of conscience. In fact, not only can they do it, they are blessed when they do it and the source of the meat is not really an issue in the New Testament,” Jamison says. “We are allowed to eat meat from any type of animals.
People born in Dharmic religions like Jain,Hindus or Buddhist doesn't have this paradox. The religion preaches compassion to all living beings. The jains go to next level to not to eat seeds of any vegetables, wait for the plants to die naturally to eat the root vegetables.
Sorry Ed but go to the bottom of the bible study class because in Acts 10 it says about Peter "The next day as they were nearing the city, Peter went up on the flat roof of his house to pray. It was noon and he was hungry, but while lunch was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw the sky open and a great canvas sheet,[a] suspended by its four corners, settle to the ground. 12 In the sheet were all sorts of animals, snakes, and birds forbidden to the Jews for food.[b]
13 Then a voice said to him, “Go kill and eat any of them you wish.”
14 “Never, Lord,” Peter declared, “I have never in all my life eaten such creatures, for they are forbidden by our Jewish laws.”
15 The voice spoke again, “Don’t contradict God! If he says something is kosher, then it is.”
So clearly the Christian God is not squeamish about killing a few animals for your sustenance.
Thank you for this video. I often fight with my Muslim boyfriend about veganism. He keeps saying that the halal way is humane because the animal doesn’t feel pain since the knife cuts so fast. I couldn’t justify this logic or reasoning. The animal is cognizant if its fate whether it sees the blade or not!!!
I am sorry to say Julia, but dogmatic religion poisons reasonable discussion. It does not matter if you have good reasoning or if something is logical, if he’s dogmatic about his faith, you can never convince him. This is a terrible thing..
You may find this most disturbing but I am not vegan.
Romans 14:20
‘Do not tear down the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are clean, but they are evil for the man who eats and gives offence.’
I sorry to dissapoint: Genesis 1. Book of Moses: You shall make Earth your subservient, You shall rule over all living things on Earth The Birds in the Sky the Fish in the Oceans and the Animals that rome the Earth and you must eat them. There are even Instructions when to eat witch Animal.
I don’t know much about other Religions but in Modern Christianity Jesus was the sacrificial lamb that ended any and all need for animal sacrifice. Also Genesis 1:29 ‘Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.” ‘ I don’t know how modern Christians to argue against plant based diets -were humans not designed to be plant based until the introduction of original sin in Eden ?
THE BIBLE AND VEGANISM
ADAM AND EVE WERE VEGAN
It is my understanding that in ‘the beginning’ there was no suffering or predation, no death. The world was created perfectly. Adam and Eve were made perfect and in the image and likeness of God and so they did not consume animals. They did not wear clothing and made no use of animals to facilitate this or any other activity. There was no sickness or death. They did not kill animals for any reason. This creation of God by his own admission was ‘good’.
Importantly, God specifically commanded Adam to consume ‘seed-bearing plants’ only and told him that this was his ‘FOOD’. And that he was to have dominion over the animals and therefore take responsibility for them, not eat them. This was God’s original design.
“I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.” - God, Genesis 1:29
Adam and Eve were by our modern-day standards, the definition of vegan.
Throughout the Bible, the consumption of animal products and feasting are very closely associated with sinfulness. Predation, murder, death and the need for animal exploitation started when sinfulness began and is also marked by the consumption of animal flesh by humans. It is also significant that meat-eating is associated with food scarcity.
ANIMAL SACRIFICE DOES NOT JUSTIFY CONSUMPTION
Before the flood, Abel son of Adam and Eve ‘kept’ animals but these were for sacrifice ONLY, not for human consumption. These would have been burnt offerings to God. Humans were only permitted by God to eat the meat of animals in the covenant God made with Noah AFTER the flood not before.
Negative Impact of Eating Meat:
Eating meat coincided with the DECREASE IN LIFESPAN of humans after the flood. So the consumption of meat comes at a cost in terms of longevity if we use the lifespan of notable individuals in the bible. This is why the lifespan of Methuselah and the others mentioned before the flood is so important. The lifespans of those mentioned in Genesis chapters 1-9 were nearly a thousand years. Methuselah the longest-lived human was taken to God just before the floods so that he would not be condemned with the unrighteous AT RHE AGE OF 969 leaving Noah as the only opportunity for righteous humans to repopulate the earth, but Noah, unlike all his ancestors, had a shortened lifespan and those who came after him even shorter. For the 10 generations after the flood, their life expectancy averaged around 319 years. God allowed the consumption of animals due to scarcity of food post-flood and allowed this to continue only due to man’s inherent weakness.
Abel is often used by Christian people who eat animals to prove that God’s intention was for them to consume meat however the reason why God favoured Abel’s sacrifice over Cain's is not that it was a meat sacrifice (one that meat-eaters of today would prioritise) but because of what the sacrifice itself represented. To make that sacrifice, Abel would have had to work harder to keep the animals alive, to find or grow food for them, to take them to water, or to bring water to them, to keep them safe so that they could LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO DEPOSIT A LARGE AMOUNT OF FAT. The fat deposit is therefore a measure of the TIME and EFFORT put into the production of this sacrifice. This would have represented a huge sacrifice for Abel in comparison to that of Cain who would have had an easier time farming crops that did not require as much attention and after planting would have been dependent on the environmental conditions more than the actions of the farmer. Abel’s sacrifice was more substantial not only in terms of the hours spent, and the calories wasted in raising the animals but also in terms of the possible uses for the fattened lamb to get milk from and the use of its wool for clothing, etc. Cain’s ‘sacrifice’ was less favoured because it did not involve so much EFFORT to make it, not because the meat was more desirable to God.
People often state that God sent Abraham a lamb to ‘sacrifice’ and therefore sustaining themselves by eating animals is completely justified, but the lamb was to take the place of his son who God had asked him to. offer as a sacrifice as a test of faith. Are we then to assume that he would have eaten his son? Burnt offerings were not consumed. That is why they were a ‘sacrifice’. Giving up the opportunity to consume them IS the act of sacrifice since you lose the opportunity to make use of them.
Jesus was concerned with the abuse of rituals within the temple by the Pharisees. They would insist on the observation of so many religious days of obligation. Days which would involve the people most of whom were relatively poor having to bring animals for sacrifice so that the temple, the people who provided the animals for sacrifice and those who provided facilities for ritual cleansing and lodging etc. (as they would often have to travel to their home towns or into the city for these rituals) could profit. Jesus was against rituals for ritual's sake and if the spirit of God’s word was not being followed. He felt the Pharisees were simply exploiting the people. His views on the way Judaism was being practised and his teachings put him at odds with the Pharisees because they required adherence to the law. This adherence to the Law conferred them with a lot of power, influence and wealth. Jesus’ teachings, therefore, represented a direct threat to all of that. There are parallels to the way we are living today and the way that various churches exploit their congregations but that is a matter for another discussion. Jesus was therefore the ultimate sacrifice. He referred to himself as the Lamb of God. Presumably, no further sacrifices at the temple would be necessary. More on this later.
MEAT-EATING WHEN FOOD IS NOT SCARCE IS ABOUT TEMPTATION AND DESIRE AND THIS TEMPTATION AND DESIRE IS WHAT LEADS TO SINFULNESS
Throughout the bible, a period of excess involving copious amounts of animal products ‘feasting’ often precludes a period during which the people of God turn away from him. God gave the Jewish people Manna from heaven during the exodus from Eygpt. This was a plant-based food that would address their every dietary need but while Moses was on Mount Sinai Speaking to God and getting the 10
commandments the people turned away from their God towards false idols. They were no longer satisfied by the wholesome plant-based food provided by God despite the fact they had no physiological need. The ‘desire’ for the flesh of animals was there, and while they were susceptible to these desires they were also more susceptible to other sinful activities. They created false idols and descended into sinful behaviours. This is how meat-eating is linked to sinfulness in the Bible. Succumbing to the TEMPTATION of taking an animal's life for the pleasure of our taste rather than due to NECESSITY is seen as the gateway that allows other forms of sin to coexist.
THE BIBLE ADVOCATES FOR A PLANT-BASED DIET
The original creation as discussed previously was vegan by today’s standards.
Sin and consumption of animal products are intertwined in the descriptions of how sinfulness is expressed in the bible along with other activities which are judged to be more sinful by society.
Abstinence from animal products is often part of spiritual activities and a mark of closeness to God in the bible. Various figures within the bible set themselves apart from worldliness by either abstaining from animal products or actively promoting the consumption of plant-based food rather than animal-based foods. God in the first instance when he commands Adam to consume plants as his source of food, John the Baptist, Samson, David, Isiah and Ezekiel and everyone from Genesis Chapter 1-9 is plant-based.
Ezekiel Bread to this day is a bread made from sprouted seeds and grains that provides large amounts of all the essential amino acids that the body needs to sustain life. We now recognise the superior nutrition derived from sprouted seeds and microgreens which would have been more commonly consumed in the past than they are now.
David demonstrated how a whole foods plant-based diet was superior to the ‘royal’ meat-based diet for health and mental clarity and converted the king and his court to a plant-based diet. If that was not significant it probably wouldn’t have been included in the bible.
The staple foods of the Israelites are plant-based. Bread made with grains and legumes, wine and Olive oil sustained them along with other plant-based foods. They ate very little animal products generally. These were usually reserved for feasts days and celebrations.
Orthodox Christianity as practised in Ethiopia one of the oldest Christian communities has 250 days of fasting per year. These are days when animal products should not be consumed. 180 of those should be observed by everybody the other 70 by religious leaders and those who are devout. This emphasises the idea that a plant-based diet or abstaining from meat is what needs to happen to bring people closer to God. Romanised Christianity had to appeal to former pagans who would have found it more of a challenge to restrict animal products consumption and so we see less emphasis placed on this issue in the Christian practices influenced by Rome. They also made other allowances to make the transition to Christianity more palatable such as changing days of observance to coincide with pagan traditions so that the people would not feel that they had missed out on too much.
Today, Jewish people in Israel have made a move toward a plant-based diet with 5% of the population identifying as vegan and a large number actively increasing the plant-based component of their diets justifying their position using the Torah and having examined the text in a more original form than the Old Testament.
FOOD SCARCITY
In the Bible consumption of meat is also linked to food scarcity so after the flood when the crop plants and fruits and vegetables would have been either completely wiped out or difficult to reach underwater, Noah and his family were allowed to consume certain animals that they had taken onto the arc. Noah sent out a dove which eventually returned with an olive branch. This brought hope because it not only demonstrated that there were now areas of land exposed and that plants could grow on it, but that a food crop that was central to their way of life was able to survive. Olives would she been important for their survival as food because it was a relatively healthy oil incorporated into their daily diets along with bread and wine. It was used for lighting lamps and rituals and anointing especially of kings. It also represented a source of significant income/bargaining power due to its important uses in society at that time right up to the time of Christ.
Jesus fed the five thousand with a few loaves of bread and a handful of fish because otherwise, they would have starved to death. Though Jesus could have performed a miracle to produce more fish and bread he made the little that they had to go further. The emphasis is on MAKING DO with what you have. We can’t use that situation where thousands sustained themselves on a tiny amount of food during a dire situation in which all faced certain death as a justification for factory farms, eating animal products in every meal and snack every single day of our lives, and for consuming Haribo sweets. And certainly not when other products are easily available that do not include loss of life.
JESUS, SPIRITUALITY RELIGIOUS LEADERS AND FOOD CHOICES
The Bible associates a plant-based diet and the removal of animal products/fasting/abstinence with spirituality and a desire to be closer to God. This is seen in other religions as well. John the Baptist who baptised Jesus and abstained from animal products (including locusts since it is thought that it was a bean that is referred to rather than the animal and this bean is found in the region) is an example. Samson is another. Nazirites like John the Baptist and Samson have made a vow to serve God and evidence of that is their strict vegetarianism along with not cutting their hair. John the Baptist heralded the coming of the Messiah so it is noteworthy that he tried to live in accordance with the plant-based diet first prescribed by God and that Jesus chose to be baptised by someone like him.
Jesus commanded his disciples to consume plant-based products IN HIS MEMORY. Bread from grains and wine from grapes, not animal-based products. The last meal that he shared with the people charged with continuing his work on Earth was not only plant-based but so important as a means to distinguish them as ‘believers’ that Jesus told them to continue to commune in this way in his memory. Feast/celebrations and gatherings of that day would have almost certainly contained some animal products unless it was to mark a period such as Passover when they would have to abstain. The fact that Jesus told his disciples to eat bread and wine and not fish, lamb or dairy products in his memory has significance since they would be gathering in his memory as followers of Christ for the rest of their lives. He was commanding them to eat like the people before the flood had eaten. why would he insist that they eat this way he knew some were fishermen by trade? And why would he tell them that he would make them ‘Fishers of Men’ rather than fishermen if it was not an encouragement to move away from that trade and towards a spiritual calling?
When Jesus referred to himself as the ‘lamb of God’ it was in reference to him being an ultimate sacrifice something given up and not consumed to bring about the end of sin and DEATH.
When he referred to himself as the ‘bread of life’ it was about ‘consuming’ his words and being ‘nourished’ by them so that humanity can release itself from sinfulness and LIVE.
Conclusions
Whether you are a believer or not it is clear that the people who wrote the bible demonstrate an understanding of human nature. There is a recognition that humanity is capable of using its intelligence to bring about its own destruction and this started with something as simple as temptation and food choices. It fascinates me that thousands of years ago groups of people made this observation and wrote the old testament and then thousands of years later others continued to speak on this issue and two thousand years after that because of our desire for animal flesh rather than the need for it we are still grappling with the same issues. We are willing to put our salvation at risk for our food choices.
Romans 14:20
‘Do not tear down the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are clean, but they are evil for the man who eats and gives offence.’
Christians are in this situation now where they can eat animals because they consider animals to be ‘clean’ however if they know the process of eating animals is destroying the work of God ‘the planet’ then they are in fact committing a sin. Christians should be mindful of their dietary choices since it was the consumption of forbidden fruit that led to the fall from grace of humanity.
I found this when I was looking into the issue again and it ties in with my idea that what ever God specifically instructs us to ‘consume’ physically or spiritually is plant based.
The Feast of First Fruits was celebrated the third day, the 16th of Nisan. This “third day” celebration was the same day that Jesus resurrected from the dead. In 1 Corinthians 15:20 Paul refers to Jesus as the first fruits of the dead. He represents the first of the great harvest of souls - including you - that will resurrect to eternal life because of the new covenant in his blood (Luke 22:20).U
I find pointing out aspects of christianity that agree with vegansim a way better approach than simply bashing the whole religion because in the end, we all believe the same thing.
On that video when u said about the lamb passover thing. I looked it up and apparently it was asked that everyone killed a year old lamb and put blood outside their house to be kept safe or something I don't know...but I agree God wouldn't agree with what is being done today and things were different back when the bible was written
I feel like the Bible points towards being vegan think about it.
It doesn’t matter if we eat animals or not I mean they eat each other
So, other animals in the wild also rape each other and kill their own young. Would you do that just because other animals do it in the wild?
Animals rape each other too.