Christian Vegan? But Jesus Ate Fish! And Lamb?
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Curious what I eat in a day as a vegan? Watch this
• What I Eat In a Day | ... -~-
“Christian Vegan? But Jesus Ate Fish! And Lamb!” This is a retort many Christians use against the idea of ethical veganism, including myself at one point. However, what did Jesus eat? And if Jesus did eat meat, than is it ok for us to kill animals for food? Should Christians be vegan? I’ll be talking about all the points of Jesus’ diet and how you can still be an ethical vegan!
Did Jesus eat lamb? 00:21
Did Jesus eat fish? 3:20
Book, For Love of Animals: Christian Ethics, Consistent Action:
www.amazon.com...
Article I mention on if the Last Supper was a Seder:
www.biblicalar...
Book, The Lost Religion of Jesus: Simple Living and Nonviolence in Early Christianity:
www.amazon.com...
Interesting article on if Jesus was vegetarian:
/ evidence-that-jesus-an...
*Note: The section of the bible that I mention from Luke 24 verses 40-43 is the only mention of Jesus EATING fish. However, there are other verses about Jesus SERVING fish (e.g. when He fed the 5,000, when he had the disciples nets burst with fish, etc.) As a waitress, I can tell you that SERVING food to people who eat that food, and EATING that food yourself are two different things. Also, as I mention later, even if Jesus did eat fish along with the people He served it to, He lived in a very different time than we do today.
Interested in going vegan? Here’s some links that can help get you started. Many of these are absolutely free! Choose which one works best for you:
veganuary.com/...
chooseveg.com/
www.peta.org/l...
vegankit.com/
www.30dayvegan...
Follow me on social media!
Instagram: / baileysargeant
Twitter: / baileysargeant
I had a Christian tell me the other day I was going against God's will for not eating meat. I was so shocked, because I never even thought about that. I just don't feel okay with putting animal carcasses into my body, but I don't want to go to hell either for disobeying God. Your video reassured me because you are right, we don't walk around in robes and sandals either etc. And in my knowledge it says nowhere in the Bible "you must eat meat".
And you are 100% without a doubt anatomically an herbivore. If god's intent was for us to eat meat; he would of anatomically designed us to consume meat. That is all you need to know. Many Christians are sadly un-educated about their own religion and are only interested in their personal convictions.
But it also does not say you must be vegan.
Genesis 9:3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you
@@piratekitty5647 Genesis 1:29 , am I a joke to you?
@@piratekitty5647This is a concession to Noah and his family after everything was literally wiped out in the flood this doesn't mean that when there's abundance enslaving animals(they're treated less than products from day one),raping(forced insemination), and mass murder is God's desire for them.
Have you watched Dr. Milton Mills? He's a Christian vegan doctor. He advocates a plant based diet, and often quotes the bible in his lectures. 😊💚
I haven't! I'll have to check him out. Thanks for the suggestion!
@@BaileySargeant Anytime! I love your videos. 🙌💚
Ooh nice ❤🌱
Cheers. ruclips.net/video/ukrLEhdK9E8/видео.html
Almighty God who is the Supreme Doctor of all Doctors, has declared through His Word. ........ "Every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be rejected, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 for it is sanctified through the word of God and prayer.
6 If thou put the brethren in mind of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished in the words of the faith, and of the good doctrine"
1 Tim 4:4-6 (ASV) HTH.
then why Jesus made a thousand fish miracle to feed the 5000 people?
He didn’t. You can in fact research this. In original Hebrew bibles it said that he fed thousands with bread and water. It wasn’t until the Romans rewrote much of the scriptures because many of the, “ non Christians” they wanted to convert did in fact eat fish. So to satisfy the masses, the scripture was changed.
@@camisnyder3460 so you just want to accept something that match with your idea? interesting :)
Soul Scope lol I wish it were that easy!!! Truth always appears, with or without my consent;)
Soul Scope The feeding is literal
Vegans have no problem with miracleing dead fish into existance to feed starving people.
This video is awesome! It's so clear Jesus would want us to be vegan, nonviolence and compassion were absolutely fundamental to His principles!
Only works if we were at eden. Im sticking with yummy meat!
Why is it so clear? Jesus never said to be vegan and He wasn't vegan.
In just a little bit of research I have found that the essenes who were early Christians didn't eat meat. Their scriptures do not say it was fish. The Dead Sea Scrolls do not say that he ever ate fish. This story of the bread and the fish in the essenes Gospels it was just bread no meat. I think there's a really good chance you are right.
There was a recount that did not include fish and every recount Jesus only asked for bread and they gave him bread and fish. Either way He only wanted bread.
Dont try and change scripture to suit your lifestyle... you choose your diet... that's fine... but don't change scripture...
@@gustavmahler1466 yup!!!!! thank you for seeking and using critical thinking!
@@billphillips7830 preach it brother
@@gustavmahler1466 wrong so sorry you twist scripture
Amen, sister! No matter the theological differences and translations used, love is the greatest commandment.
I am not a christian, but a Vegan. My sister is a christian and not a Vegan. This was the first thing she said to me. Jesus ate Lamb and Fish. I have shared this link to her. Thanks for this. I respect every faith and I believe veganism can co-exist with any faith.
And why think this video is correct? If anything, what the girl said in the video makes no sense and she made few mistakes.
@@Wlof25 What didn't make sense to you?
@@balachandardevaraj496 She is not taking into account some verses, like Luke 22 7-8, but instead she is relying on some kind of symbolism.
Jesus was 33 years old and lamb slaughter was the annual thing for one of the biggest Jewish holidays, so it stands to reason that Jesus ate the lamb in the past, too.
Then, about fish....if Jesus was a vegan or was against eating animals he wouldn't have eaten fish even to show that he isn't a ghost.
There are probably many different things he could have done to prove to others that he isn't a ghost. Eating fish is not the only way.
She then talks about different time and place where fish was the common and sometimes the only food, but that says nothing about Jesus being vegan or supporting veganism, because Jesus never taught anything related to veganism. Jesus said nothing remotely similar to "one day when you have enough plants to eat, don't eat animals."
So that point fails.
That's why I asked you why do you think this video is correct?
I'm christian (Seventh Day Adventist) and independently of what other christians say, I consider that God has a specific message to their people in every instance. In these times, definitely, we must take care of our health and the life of God's creatures. For this reason (and thousands) I went vegan and I'm actually convinced this is the best decision I've ever done. We should stop thinking about our interests and start to see God's will in every part of our lives. For adoration, lifestyle is fundamental. We can't adore God with a silly and weak mind. We can't love God completely hating HIS CREATION. Consagration includes everything.
You cant take away the permission God has gave
I understand your decision to be a vegan and I admire it and respect it. There’s nothing wrong with it however don’t start any wrong doctrines about Jesús not eating meat, even if he didn’t he didn’t condemn it. It’s not required for Christian doctrine to be a vegan or a meat eater for the kingdom of heaven is not about food and drinks but about justice, Joyce and peace in the Holy Spirit. You are no more Christian for eating meat nor any less of a Christian for not eating any animal product. That is a personal choice which could have its benefits however be careful in error because the path and the door to the Father is our Lord Jesus Christ not a meal.
Jhonny Caicedo Agree with this. Vegan 🌱 can be a dangerous path to follow if you try to make it into religious element. It’s not bad if you view at as a diet but to view it as ethics and morals you are on a slippery slope.
It’s not a personal choice. Meat requires innocent blood to be shed which God abhors and even said He’d turn Hos fave from the prayers of those whose hands were covered with innocent blood. It’s also not joy, justice or peace whatsoever to condemn the innocent when God required mercy and even Jesus himself said this multiple times matt9:13, Matt 12:7 also hos 6:6. Meat eating was part of sacrifice on OT. God said He never commanded it Jer 7:22. Jesus ended sacrifice. Ppl today still do it. EDEN WAS VEGAN where And was created in God’s image - a vegan merciful image- to BE VEGAN. The end is vegan - Holy Mountain , Isaiah, Rev 22- God feed His ppl vegan manna for 40 years in preparation for the promised land and killed them when they ate flesh ... The angels eat vegan manna , heaven is vegan , ALL in heaven are vegan. It’s clearly God’s will and He says do His will. Jesus said to pray ...”thy will be done on earth AS IT IS IN HEAVEN”. Yet you chops YOUR WILL, YOUR excuses, YOUR stomach as idol twisting verses about sacrificial times in a post sacrifice era that Jesus DIED to END. Jesus did condemn it! Matt 9:13, Matt 12:7 also hos 6:6. Obviously He condemned sacrifice since He died to end it!! Meat was only allowed as part of a sacrifice and once sacrifice was ended ...
@@EdenEmpireTVbyAngelaDaun u must be a gnostic or a firm believer in the allegedly unreliable sypnotic gospels..to make a statement.. Pardon me if I'm wrong but wasn't it God who ordain nearly every animal sacrifice to atone for sin..
Lol you’re funny. Have you read the Bible ? Have you studied ? Have you compared the incorrectly human translated versions to the original texts so easily available on Bible Hub? God said at least 13 times that He did not command, want or like sacrifice. Even saying at times that He turns away from ppl when praying because their hands were covered in blood from sacrifice. Is that not clear enough for you because He repeats it over and over. U can check the video I last posted. Just a few are Hos 6:6, Matt 9:13, Matt 12:7 and in Jer He was very clear saying that He was NOT the one commanding sacrifice. How could you miss that but not miss all the ones that support the murder of God’s innocent animals created to give HIM glory & praise ?? How could you miss that Eden was vegan & that we are not to conform to a fallen world, or that God KILLED the ppl for demanding & eating meat during the exodus or that the actual translation of 9:3 is we were given permission to eat “REMES” or insects and the next line God said He would require our lifeblood at the hands of the animals we kill??? How does one miss ALL of that plus all the verses of God’s love for, defense of and vengeance over His animals??? Just for the sake of eating rotting carcasses that destroy people, animals and the planet?? Did you also not read book of Daniel? None of the above is gnostic but you would know that if you actually read the Bible instead of defending your lust for flesh. Just speaking truth here. Tired of people cherry picking then deflecting truth for their addiction to eating death and paying for cruelty and suffering.
@@EdenEmpireTVbyAngelaDaun Dear person or in other words fellow commentor.. I could really care less what the Bible saids. I'm just commenting on what the Bible saids about a particular subject.. another thing is that do you believe God contradicts himself you bring up a few text which allegedly have God hating sacrifice but then there are ones where God commands it. That sounds contradictory.. But let me ask you, if you believe God was against sacrifice. What about all those verses that shows him ordaining it? Including the ultimate sacrifice for sin Jesus Christ are you gonna view those as unreliable alterations of scripture
Vegan is love. No religion forces anyone to participate in killing others.
Amen! I wish people could understand this, in this exactly way.
Are you christian?
Christians are forbidden to hurt and kill humans even in wars or self-defence, but killing animals or using them for food is not forbidden, as Almighty God has provided them for food and sustenance for Mankind.
@@earnestlycontendingforthef5332 Maybe not forbidden, but definitely only something to do when necessary. Today, we kill animals unnecessarily 3 times a day. Peace begins on your plate. Isaiah 66:3 killing an ox is the same as killing a man. Genesis 1:29 - plants will be your food. Largest body of nutrition experts (100,000+) in the world - we don't need any animal products to be healthy, and could actually prevent our most common diseases - Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics
@@leviahimsa
Please do try and keep up....."3 Every **moving thing that lives shall be food** for you; and as I gave you the green vegetables and plants, I **give you everything**."
Genesis 9:3 (AMP. BIBLE)
And again for ALL level-headed, serious-minded Christians:
"4 For **every creature** of God is good, and nothing ought to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving.
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God, and prayer.
6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, which hast been nourished up in the words of faith, and of good doctrine"
1 Timothy 4:3-6 (Geneva Bible)
Peace and love! Thanks for the information. I'm from India, in Hinduism we support vegetarian diet. We humans are evolved beings and are meant to eat consciously.
In Hinduism 🕉 people respect vegetarian diet but jump to killing another human being in the name of DHARM. Bhagvaat Gita itself justify killing by Krishna to Arjuna & Ramayana basically involves mindless killings. Evolving is an illusion but actually many Educated Indians are turning to Jesus Christ & I love Indian people’s general character…beautiful people but deceived by mindless religions & pagan traditions.
New International Version
The righteous care for the needs of their animals, but the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel
Jesus grew up in a Jewish culture they all ate Lamb
@@amyturner6275 Wrong. There were many Jewish groups that eschewed animal flesh. The Nazorians, The Essenes, The Occinaeans, The Ebionites, etc.
@@amyturner6275 There is even rabbinic tradition that posits Isaiah was a vegetarian. How could he have been vegetarian if he ate lamb?
Ding ding your wrong that scropture
Has nothing to do with veganisem
Just treating your livestock well
@@davidvanpatten6404 Thou shalt not kill seems pretty obvious to me. Life is in the blood. We were vegan in the ideal beginning and will be again in the restoration. We are to be praying for God's heavenly will to be done on Earth today. So what are you waiting for? Or don't you have faith?
The Bible talks about receiving the weaker brother who only eat vegetables. A Christian can eat whatever they want. God bless.
Seems like you twist the scripture's body. Good luck, eat un clean food
But the Bible declares all food clean in Mark 7:19
Although all food is clean, all actions are not, and slaughtering an animal (or paying someone else to slaughter one) that wants to live just so you can eat it does not align with the radical compassion and kindness that Christ’s life and message calls us too.
Animals are not food🐮🐷🐔🫂🙏🥺
When I chose to be vegan in the past, I developed gall stones and liver dysfunction . Worst pain I ever had that radiated up my right side to my neck and scalp, plus belching and bloating . I tried again and had a brain hemorrhage in my left cerebellum followed by a seizure. I tried again and could not keep food down, especially kale. Went right through me. My body is designed to eat meat. Others are not. That’s their prerogative.
Wow That's Horrible & Sorry to hear.🙏🖐️.
That sounds like a detoxing period to me
Let me guess, you ate only raw vegetables and drank your own piss?
I was saved about a month ago..and I never understood how the messiah teaches about love and compassion yet ate animals... when I became vegan years ago I felt more connected with life..and all living beings. everything changed drastically my health and my compassion towards people animals and even wisdom increased..when I stopped being vegan due to trauma and stress everything decreased drastically...to this day I suffer from multiple health problems. I never thanked the messiah and Heavenly Father for the gift he gave me years ago but this time I’ll do it right. I truly believe he was vegan due to there being evidence that the original scriptures have been tampered with to keep the truth from us. (The book of Enoch is part of scriptures and even hinted our past brothers and sisters used to be vegan before being contaminated with sin by the fallen angels yet why hide Enoch’s story from certain religions?)
I was also thinking of the commandment when he says “though shall not kill” could be referred to animals as well.
He aslo ate a calf.....
Genesis 18
3 And he said, [c]Lord, if I have now found favor in thy sight, go not, I pray thee, from thy servant.
4 Let a little water, I pray you, be brought, and [d]wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree.
5 And I will bring a morsel of bread, that you may comfort your hearts, afterward, ye shall go your ways: for therefore are ye [e]come to your servant. And they said, Do even as thou hast said.
6 Then Abraham made haste into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready at once three [f]measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.
7 And Abraham ran to the beasts, and took a tender and good calf, and gave it to the servant, who hasted to make it ready.
8 And he took butter and milk, and the calf which he had prepared, and set before them, and stood himself by them under the tree: and they did eat.
Going by the same logic as he did not eat meat so we shouldnt it meat - the new testament does not say he ever ate fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, herbs, spices, seasoning, oils. It seems all we are really allowed to consume is bread, wine and maybe fish.
Or perhaps the new testament can't depict jesus doing every single allowed action or saying every single allowed word.
If Jesus really thought eating meat was a problem - considering the whole canon of the Septuaginta is full of stories where eating meat is the norm - I think this would be adressed by him.
Todays' lesson, for Flexitarians, Vegans and Vegetarians.
"2 Some people believe that they can eat all kinds of food. Other people with weak faith believe that they can eat only vegetables.
3 People who eat all foods should not despise people who eat only vegetables.
In the same way, the vegetarians should not criticize people who eat all foods, because God has accepted those people.
4 Who are you to criticize someone else's servant?
The Lord will determine whether his servant has been successful. The servant will be successful because the Lord makes him successful."
Romans 14:1-4 (GW)
Thank you for your video, this really helps me to understand that the Bible truly is based on love as I have remembered God but having my doubts about becoming Christian. I just sincerely hope I may find like minded Christian vegans who understand Jesus's love and mercy 🙏🏻✝
Love this! I've been vegan for almost a year now and I LOVE it. My conscience feels great, that I'm doing something to make such a positive impact all around. And I haven't been sick once. And I eat better now than I ever did... much more variety! I don't know how, but it's true!
That's so wonderful!
Romans 14
Acts 10:9-16
Genesis 9:3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you
If you're telling me that shouldn't eat meat ,then I think you should read the holy scriptures, you are no more than Christians who eat meat neither are you less than. Have a blessed day
She already read it, Have a blessed day. 👳🏾♀️
@@StrikerFin You’re not the material body, you’re the spirit-soul within the material body. The constitutional position of every living entity is to be a servant of Śrī Kṛṣṇa, who is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. It is in your best interest to surrender unto Him. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and be happy! Visit prabhupadabooks.com to learn the philosophy!
Yes God’s love shines on all equally- but she never said that she is more Christian than a meat eater, nor did she say you shouldn’t eat meat, so why are you putting words in her mouth? She is speaking about aligning behaviors with compassion in the heart- some choose to do that, and some don’t.
@@theself5738 i am sure i watched the video clearly to understand exactly whats shes saying
I had a Catholic coworker ask me: "God creates animals for humans to eat. So why are you vegan? "
I told him that God makes vegetables and fruit for me to eat and that's enough.
Thank you so much. When other Christians said it was a sin for me to be Vegan because I wasn’t utilizing the recourses God provided for me , I didn’t know what to say.
I'm so happy to help! Our God is a God of Love and Compassion! I also have a devotional on the Our Bible App called Compassion For All God's Creatures that you might find helpful!
Same here! We should not listen to fear-mongering of people who hate vegans
If they tell you that then you don't need to listen to them.
Only bible tells you whats a sin and not
@@rakastellar8955 there people who thinks that being Vegan is a sin. They was told by other people who believe what they believe.
@@Catwhisper175 I still don’t understand that. How on earth could veganism possibly be a sin? It’s like they’re projecting their sin onto us!
I agree. a Christian can be an ethical vegan, but the real question is should a Christian be an ethical vegan?
You have Mark 14:12-16 and Luke 22:7-13 where lamb slaughtering was mentioned and where in both cases disciples were preparing Passover meal to be eaten (We have no verse that he explicitly ate the lamb, but we also have no verse that he meant bread and wine and definitively not lamb), plus we have no condemnation of the annual lamb slaughter practice coming from Jesus. That is strange, because if Jesus was supposedly strongly against that practice, he would have been vocal about it, like he was vocal about other things he was against.
The third argument you gave does not lead necessarily to the conclusion that lamb was not eaten by him.
If Jesus was an ethical vegan and wanted others to also be ethical vegans, he would have been vocal about that and telling people to survive on plant based food if they could. Jesus never did that, in the matter of fact, he have done miracles of helping his disciples to get even more fish than they could eat.
And this leads me to the second point. Even if Jesus was eating fish and was fine with others eating fish out of survival, that would definitively mean one thing, and that is how animals are lower than humans and humans can kill and eat, use their products, for human benefit.
And not to mention that Jesus could have cause miracles for bunch of plants to grow or fruits and vegetables to miraculously appear instead of fish in the fishing nets, or that eating roots, or something, would give whatever is needed for survival, adequate proteins included.
I am not saying that just because Jesus ate animals, what I am saying is that Jesus didn't have anything against killing animals for food, and we can see that in the Gospels. So Christian can be an ethical vegan, but it is not an obligation.
You also have completely non-vegan actions Jesus have done, which I mentioned before, like...riding a donkey, while he could have walked instead (exploiting animal as means of transportation), exorcising demons into pigs, that is having more pity for demons than for pigs and letting them cause suffering and death to bunch of pigs, creating fish out of no where (promoting eating animals, while he could have created something plant based).
Also, it is not really a nice thing to block my account when i didnt do anything which would provoke that, I just expressed different opinion and I provided verses for my case.
Boris B animals were not subject to the same conditions- neither were they raped, pumped full of antibiotics and hormones and crammed in tight poorly ventilated factory farms where they suffer daily abuse at the hands of human beings. Had Jesus visited such a place what do you honestly think His opinion would be? Isaiah 65:25 tells us that in His kingdom even the most biscuits carnivores will eat straw like the ox and there will be no killing or destroying on all His holy mountain. The garden was vegan and so is the kingdom come what more do you need to know God’s heart? He tolerates and forgives us but we are given discernment for a reason. That being said the body of Christ should not be divided be these things. It is okay to disagree but it’s the evil one who divides. Guard your hearts ♥️
Vicious carnivores!!! Not biscuits!!’ 😂what a funny autocorrect
@@stephaniec.8418
Sure, not in the exactly the same conditions, but animals were used as means to some human end, they where there to live or die for humans, and Jesus was not against that. That gives us the clear picture that animals have lesser value than humans and animals can be used for human benefits.
Sure...maybe in heaven all God's creatures will get along and sing kumbaya, but on Earth, it is a completely different song. What Gospels show and what Jesus thought was in no way vegan.
My point is that being a Christian and a vegan is compatible, it is not against Christianity, but also not being vegan is not against Christianity. There is no obligation for Christians to be vegan.
Boris - No one said that animals were equal to people .Animals are indeed less than us so how we treat them reveals who we are. Cruelty was never part of God’s plan ❤️
@@stephaniec.8418
But how do you deal with the fact that Jesus was not against that cruelty?
Jesus never spoke against annual mass slaughter of the lambs, never spoke against fishing...in fact he caused his disciples to catch so much fish they couldn't even eat all, Jesus letting demons to possess and drown pigs...
Here is the thing I think you missed.
Animal Offerings.
This was a huge part of the religion and culture.
Vegan as a diet is fine. You must view it as that. It doesn’t make you more Christian. It does however put an added barrier between you and another Christian who is not if you let it.
For example Vegans have a pledge where they will not eat when “meat” is served. From studying the Bible you realize Jesus never would have done this. Think about what he did do and who he ate with.
Brilliant, utterly brilliant point! Doesn't matter what diet we eat (whether vegan or omnivores or what ever!) , as long we do it to serve and worship God. Vegan itself is a problem as it can be an idol, infact pretty much everything in this world can be used as idol unless we serve and worship God alone regardless what we do or eat.
The movie actor Ludi Lin is vegan because it is a diet he wants to eat.
@@NCSiebertdesign vegan lifestyle is superior and healthier. Helping others become better is Christian
What about where Jesus overturns the tables where the Temple courts were selling animals for sacrifices and he says "Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!" and earlier he says " ‘My house will be a house of prayer’; but you have made it ‘a den of robbers.’ "... sure seems to me he was chastising the temples for sacrificng animals and in general that is the understood context by Christian scholars. Also it says "Cursed is anyone who has sexual disturbances with any animal." and look out how in modern times farmers will artificially insert their arms into female cows and inseminate them after they artifically ejaculate male bulls- all by hand and with machines.. that is beastiality if you ask me.
Also Veganism is not a diet, its a philosophy and morality towards animal rights and freedom. The fact that Vegans dont eat animals is a bypruduct of Veganism ethical code/conduct. Do no harm to animals.
Proverbs 12:10:
"The righteous care for the needs of their animals, but the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel." This verse from the Old Testament underscores the principle that a righteous person is kind to animals.
What about the scripture where Jesus fed 5000 people with fish and loaves? Not to mention he even helped Simon Peter catch fish. Why would he enable this if it were a sin? Also are we to assume that just because Jesus didn't do something, that it must be because it was a sin?
The Jesus character was a creation of the Romans and not an actual real person of the so called Jews. This is one of the reasons why Jewish people today don’t believe in it.
@@iam604 500 non-Romans witnessed his resurrection 😂
Not to mention historical evidence from non-Christians such as Tacitus, Josephus, and Pliny. 🤦🏾♂️
This video has so many problems with it. But to sum up my point: If Jesus ate it, we can, too, period. He's without sin, and wouldn't commit the sin of eating fish, nor miraculously producing it to feed the thousands. Jesus most definitely ate the acceptable food of the O.T., as He is a Jew. The only thing the Bible says he abstained from is alcohol. Yet, it's not a sin to consume it, as He turned the water into wine. Lastly, as we're in the N.T., now, not bound by law; everything is permissible but not beneficial. Eat the natural foods God gave humans, which includes land and water life, plants, and fruits. Lastly, the Scripture tells us not to worry about what we eat, be thankful, and do our best to eat right. If one wants to abstain from land and water animal life, fine, but to say it's the way we must eat isn't Biblical.
What about when God commanded the children of Israel to eat lamb? Jesus grew up in a Jewish culture ,are you saying he never ate meat all his life ?
these videos always makes me laugh because people just make stuff up and ignore hundreds of other scriptures. Jesus didnt break a single old covenant law, and one of them was the passover feast in which they were required to eat nearly the entire lamb. the stuff Jesus rebelled against were the phony commandments and customs the pharisees made up
This morning, I had a dream of a home church turning to I Timothy 4:6. Upon waking, I read I Timothy 4:1-6: "1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. 6If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained."
I can clearly remember my screams as a three or four year old when a headless chicken ran from behind the house .. we probably ate her I would suppose ..
Amen thank you God bless you vegan sister in Christ
Aww Thank You!! I'm glad you like this video!
Sisters of Christ don't marry lesbians.....
Haven't watched the video yet, but the bible saids in levticus 11 on what animals can and cannot be eaten.. and fish is one of them that can be eaten..
@@juliuscox94
Luscious lamb flesh also.
In fact, Almighty God's priests lived on the roasted and boiled portions of meat of the animal sacrifices.
But the meataphobes still won't 'buy it' .
@@BaileySargeant Love You. I'm vegetarian ;)
There seems to be a massive contradiction between modern Christian attitudes towards animals and the behaviour of the early Church. The sheer number of early Christians who were apparently vegetarian is astonishing, and not just anyone either, we're dealing with seriously big names like St Basil the Great, St John Chysostom, St Jerome etc. Yet if you quote them on this issue to Christians now (without mentioning perhaps that you're quoting some seriously prominent saints) you'll often be met with derision or even an accusation of heresy. This to my mind is totally bizarre and speaks to a serious rupture between who we are in modernity and what we once were as a unified Church.
I'm so thankful to see the Christian vegan community growing!!
You can eat anything as long as you praise God for your meal
Non-religious vegan, but I really appreciate you speaking out to the religious community!
Ppl do make decisions on love for animals when it comes to being vegan. But I don't promote that to ppl. I'm not going to inadvertently say that, ppl, because of their carnivore diet, do not love animals or are part of killing millions of animals for food each year. My choice of going vegan has absolutely nothing to do with my Christian walk. This is the same thing as the ppl who say we must worship on the Sabbath. We are to love our brother not show ourselves "righteous" because we abstain from food, worship on the Sabbath, being celibate etc. We are to encourage and lift each other up not make them feel bad because "Hey look at me, I love my fellow animal because I don't eat meat". Knowing that abstaining from meat is difficult. Also, not telling ppl the fact that if you eat meat or fish it's not going to bring you to hell. "Its not what goes into the body that defiles a man but what comes out." Matt 15:11 As a follower of Christ we, especially I, need to uplift, teach and serve our fellow man. We need to be less, as a servant and Jesus needs to be more.
Yess I love this! Since being saved I haven’t really thought about veganism although I’m still plant based. You’re so right though, the biggest message is live. Wether people eat meat or not, animal cruelty is not encouraged for children of God. It’s an act of wickedness that shouldn’t be encouraged.
I am a Christian vegan, and maybe I am misunderstanding your message, but there is nothing in the Bible that suggests we must be vegans. I am disappointed that so much of what you said about Jesus' diet was speculation (and not solid at that). I agree that much of the reason he likely ate meat was out of necessity and most scholars argue he was likely pescatarian, but I know of nothing to suggest he did not eat meat. Just because he avoided certain customs does not mean he avoided all of them. You are 100% right about animal agriculture, as much of how we should treat animals is found in Romans, and for that reason any Christian who knows anything about it should stand against it and not eat factory farmed meat or products. Paul, one of the most inspired apostles, goes as far as saying we have weak faith and should not chide those who eat meat, or the other way around. Revelation as it is talks about animal sacrifices after the return of Jesus. I am a vegan and proud of it. It is closer to God's original design, and with supplements can be a wonderful and fulfilling lifestyle. That being said, I believe limited consumption of animal products is healthy because of our bodies' natural deficiencies that plant foods cannot meaningfully - or at all - supply. I love you, support your walk with veganism, and wish you well on your walk with Christ, but I have gone on long enough. God bless you.
and in the bible it is said that god created animals to be eaten and god allowed all to eat meat after the great flood (presumably cause the veggies were wet and soggy)
"1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
2
And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of
the earth, and upon every bird of the heavens; With all wherewith the
ground teemeth, and all the fishes of the sea, into your hand are they
delivered.
3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be food for you; As the green herb have I given you all."
Gen. 9:1-3 (ASV) AMEN!
Genesis 1:29
“And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.”
Some Christians think other people will go to hell if they do not believe in God, yet they think it is ok to torture and brutally kill animals for pure enjoyment...
I BELIEVE ALL the Animals who SUFFERED on this Earth will be in Heaven with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ✝️.
I find it highly unlikely that Jesus was vegan or vegetarian. That would have been noted and written down because it was not the status quo. Any unusual diets were often mentioned in the bible (Like John eating locust and honey or Daniel eating only vegetables). But I do agree that the scale of animal consumption these days is ridiculous. Ancient times meat would have been a rarity, a special thing to eat during ceremonies mostly. And fish, though being the most common animal meat eaten, was not the stable food. Bread was. That is why expressions like 'daily bread' and 'bread of life' hit home so hard. Animal consumption was small scale and sustainable. Complete opposite to modern times. The animal industry these days is disgusting and greedy. God does definitely not like the way we are going about destroying the planet and causing animals to suffer. I would say using animal products SOMETIMES for SURVIVAL in SMALL SCALE is ok. Not the way we currently consume animal products. And since the majority is over doing it, the christians might be better of avoiding consumption of animal products TOTALLY to make any meaningful impact and to balance out the damage already caused.
Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
Genesis 1:29
"I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food."
Broiled fish, what kind and WHY would Jesus hunger and ALLOW the Apostles to feed him perhaps leftover 12 barrels of fish. Meet- he always taught thirst, hunger, provisions of Spirituality in relation to materiality and the Law. The Laws he broke resemble the freeing of the people and made the law makers pagans and sinful hypocrits. Concession etc was his resurrection an form of flood for killing. Was he there temporary/concession as well. For these answers we question as a child for the answer to filled in us that we need for no thing. Jesus adamantly rebuked the interference of man in the Seas and it being an place given unto those that abide there and they don't look for place on land.
Jesus was 100 percent a vegan
There’s a bunch of verses in deuteronomy about eating the flesh of animals but not drinking the blood of animals.
I saw a phrase on a t- shirt the other day which I love, "Heaven is vegan"!
Eden was too.
Thank you for addressing the issues in your videos 🙏🌱
Wich isn't true since they eat lamb and fish and also sacrifice animals in the old testament.
@@Catwhisper175 have you read the book of Genesis?
@@thecat2547genesis 9 God gives humans animals and green plants for food, genesis 4:4 able kills first born lamb of his sheep as a offering and God was pleased
I am from India and I am Hindu
I follow Hindulism and we have the most vegetarian people in world and even in Europe and America iskon and Hindulism awaking people to get vegain......
Read our theaory it will really help you 😊
Hare Krishna
Yeah It will help her!😊🙏hare Krishna..
Kumar then eat Stone...
Thx a lot. I believe Vegetarian diet is the best minus the dairy. Jesus bless all.
I follow a lot of Vegan activists, advocates and influencers here on RUclips and the overwhelming majority talk about “Mother Earth” and “Kama” and “Yoga” and “Meditation”.
I am really struggling to look past their skewed worldview and find myself quite frustrated by their constant conflagration of protecting defenceless animals with gay, lesbian and transgender rights!
Someone please help!
Hello Ian! YHVH is not the author of confusion, satan is! He is the master in deception and loves perverting that which is holy and true...Hence ‘highjacking’ the plant based diet and twisting the message by intermingling the new age (kundalini false Holy Spirit), lgbtq, etc etc...This in turn makes believers run the opposite way of Genesis 1... See what he does? Just remember that when one is living from conviction and understanding of Scripture, you are not answering to man (especially non believers on spiritual matters that they do not understand) you are standing before YHVH. As long as we keep our eyes on Him and our lamps trimmed we will see clearly in and for this age...Hope this helps!
Bruh people legit fucking sacrificed animals to God, even Noah sacrificed some of the animals he brought on his make believe boat
It is 2021 now bruh. Only satanists sacrifice animals now.
According to Quran Last supper is the only thing mentioned as EID.
Not what Muslim called Eid today
Mark 14:12 Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they killed the Passover lamb, His disciples said to Him, “Where do You want us to go and prepare, that You may eat the Passover?”
Luke 22:7 Then came the Day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover must be killed.
So what did the disciples killed and prepare?
Point 1: What Jesus and His disciples did was to reject traditions of men that the Pharisees and rabbis added to the law. When they picked grain on the Sabbath, it was because they had nowhere else to go or to eat, which we later see Jesus rebuke the Pharisees that judged Him over it; why didnt they do their lawful duty to help the needy?
2: yes, the last supper was absolutely a Passover meal, which takes place at 6PM and the very start of the Jewish day, which goes from 6PM-6pm. Jesus later died at the end of that same day as the Passover Lamb of God. So yes, there would have certainly been lamb at the meal, as this was the requirement of God.
Point 3: yes, Jesusnused the last Passover supper to show His disciples the change, and He did so by separating the bread, (which was the afikomen, a specific part of the Passover meal, a piece of unleavened bread) and the cup, (never called wine in scripture, not fermented as it represented Jesus' sinless blood), to represent His body and His blood. There was no need to specify anything else because they all knew what they were eating and why, and a tiny bit of research makes it clear. You might look into Jews for Jesus, at their presentation of Christ in the Passover.
4: When they gave Jesus the broiled fish, they also gave Him honeycomb-If Jesus was vegan, why didnt He just eat the honeycomb and refuse the fish? But He ate both.
As well, at that time Israel was a breadbasket of growing abundance and there were any options.
Now we also dont want to ignore what the rest of scripture, old and new testaments, say about eating of meat. The idea flourishes, even with Peter being told to rise, kill and eat, in relation to a vision about animals. Yes, I understand the spiritual application, but there was a physical one as well, because as Jews, following the dietary laws of Moses, that would hinder Jewish believers from having full fellowship with Gentile believers, and the dietary laws were done away, as were really all the laws fulfilled in Jesus.
Jesus was not a vegetarian. The Bible records Jesus eating fish (Luke 24:42-43) and lamb (Luke 22:8-15). Jesus miraculously fed the crowds fish and bread, a strange thing for Him to do if He was a vegetarian (Matthew 14:17-21). In a vision to the apostle Peter, Jesus declared all foods to be clean, including animals (Acts 10:10-15). After the flood in Noah’s time, God gave humanity permission to eat meat (Genesis 9:2-3). God has never rescinded this permission.
With that said, there is nothing wrong with a Christian being a vegetarian. The Bible does not command us to eat meat. There is nothing wrong with abstaining from eating meat. What the Bible does say is that we should not force our convictions about this issue on other people or judge them by what they eat or do not eat. Romans 14:2-3 tells us, “One man’s faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him.”
Genesis 1:29-30:
God said, 'See, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food.
Just wanted to say thank you for creating this video! Been doing this plant based thang for maybe over decade now & I’ve been more connected to the earth, people, animals & spiritually more than ever. I feel better overall.
Thankyou for putting this video up.
Something sensible, logical and connecting :)
Jesus Christ was kind, loving and caring towards all living beings. He sacrificed himself for us without any complain, that's his level of love and forgiveness we can never reach.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
And he ate meat
@@davidvanpatten6404 yeah, if he didn't show kindness then you do! :)
@@davidvanpatten6404 Read Matthew 16:9, 10 KJV loaves no fishes
you're amazing! peace and love.
Jesus ate what was given to him. He never bought or killed any animals for food. Did Jesus had slaves? Was Jesus married? Eating dead fish is not anti-veganism. I am a vegan Christian. But i don't judge meat eaters. They are sinners and so am I. We are all brothers.
Very well said brother. God bless.
You realise that Jesus grew up Jewish and would have celebrated Passover with his family EVERY SINGLE YEAR....not just the recorded 'last supper'. Jesus was eating lamb at this meal his whole life.
The last supper wasn't a seder. The first clue is that they ate bread. Bread is not consumed during Passover.
Christ ate real FISH.
"39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye behold me having. 40 And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. 41 And while they still disbelieved for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here anything to eat? 42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish. 43 And he took it, and ate before them.
"
Luke 24:38-43 (ASV)
He also fed thousands of people with them.
The Bible, the "Word of God" says so!
"But Jesus said unto them, They have no need to go away; give ye them to eat. 17 And they say unto him, We have here but five loaves, and two fishes.
18 And he said, Bring them hither to me.
19 And he commanded the multitudes to sit down on the grass; and he took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake and gave the loaves to the disciples, and the disciples to the multitudes.
20 And they all ate, and were filled: and they took up that which remained over of the broken pieces, twelve baskets full.
21 And they that did eat were about five thousand men, besides women and children.
Matt 14:16-21 (ASV)
I don't understand why fish are cruel for vegetarian. Fish are nothing compared for mammals. Fish are like insects
Fish have a nervous system too, they can feel pain... here u have a GREAT reason why
@@annalouisadalinger9164
" A study has found that, even when caught on a hook and wriggling, the fish is impervious to pain because it does not have the necessary brain power.
The research, conducted by a team of seven scientists and published in the journal Fish and Fisheries, concluded that the fish’s reaction to being hooked is in fact just an unconscious reaction, rather than a response to pain."
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/9797948/Fish-cannot-feel-pain-say-scientists.html
@@earnestlycontendingforthef5332 please my friend, don't take seriously every thing that newspapers publish. Currently, I'm working in my university' research department, so maybe I can help you a little with this. Let's go!
First, we have to analyze what kind of information we find in a scientific article, and the design research. Scientists principally work with three different types of designs: descriptive, experimental and analytic. Of course, there's a lot, but these are the most common. Maybe, now you're asking me WHAT'S THAT? Well, this is important to understand because every research has an evidence quality, and it depends of the type of study design. I can't identify the type of study on the link you send me, because sadly I couldn't open it (perhaps it is not available in my country). BUT, I'm sending you a link that I found in PubMed, and maybe I can send you a lot if you want. I recommend you to read articles only from official, international and certificated sites.
P.d: my director was working for many hours in fish. So, if you have any doubt, please, let me know and I'm sure I can help you!
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19949250/?i=5&from=/17578252/related
@@annalouisadalinger9164
I have no reasons to doubt the Daily Telegraph article as it is known to be a serious Newspaper in Britain.
Further to that, Christ' himself did instruct the Apostle Peter to "Cast a hook" to catch a fish, thus he had no qualms about such ways of obtaining them, along with fishing nets, etc.
So much heresy coming out
Of this woman's mouth
You can twist your bible to
Suit your feelings
But God's word does not change
So much hatred and judgment coming out of you
You think he's angry for just saying facts?
In the Bible clearly say eating meat is not a sin or hunting becuz we need meat to lived it's not a sin
No one is saying it's a sin. Wait, we need meat to live???
That is absolutely stunning! Bless you forever Bailey!
Jesus has no problem with people killing animals for food.
Remember the parable of the Prodigal Son (Luke 15:11-32)?
Verse 22-23:
22 “But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23 Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate.
Read again verse 23. Why would Jesus used "killing animals for food" in his story (parable) if He was against eating meat?
Doesn't make sense. Seems to me He had no problem with people eating meat.
If Jesus was a vegan, that parable, specifically verse 23, would have been a little different.
And also do you remember the story about Jesus feeding 5000 people? He fed them with loaves and fish.
Of course it was a miracle and He didn't actually killed the fish. But He could have just bless and multiply the 5 loaves. Why multiply the fish as well?
Jesus was very consistent in everything he did while on earth. Feeding 5000 people with fish is not really consistent with "don't eat meat".
What do you think?
If we think about it. Between the fall and the flood; they still only had plant-based foods. It's only after the flood that God allowed meat... Due to health reasons I'm completely cutting out dairy gradually. I'm only occasionally eating salmon, chicken and lamb for now. I could never call myself a vegan though, as I feel "veganism," a lot of what it stands for, is against God...
Can you elaborate on why you think that veganism is against God?
By the 2nd Temple, Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread were conflated together as 'Passover'
Like another person have said, the original word was "fishweed", which makes sense.
Why eating fish to prove He wasn't a ghost and not bread, for example?? It doesn't make sense.
That is false. The words used are words for fish in Greek. You can check it yourself, just use Google and open the text in Greek. Instead of taking something on face value, it is far better for you to check yourself.
@@Wlof25
If you think google provides only the truth, you are extremely naive.
You need to learn how to do a proper research. Sorry mate.
@@alexanderTheVegan You basically said nothing with that.
Let's do this. You tell me the original word and show me which translation of the Bible you are using. Let's do the proper research.
So, what is the word? And which translation are you using?
@@Wlof25
There are several theories.
The first is the one that I wrote, because for the people in that period fishweed was a very common food.
The second is that neither fish or fishweed were present in the original scriptures.
Either way, the presence of the word fish doesn't make any sense.
Saying "here, it says 'fish' ", doesn't mean anything.
You need the original scriptures, which are very rare.
Anyway, you claim that what I'm saying is false.
So, please, provide me the original scriptures, or you too are saying nothing.
@@alexanderTheVegan
You base your whole argument on the word for fishweed, and yet you failed, two times, to provide me the word.
You say that the presence of the word fish doesn't make any sense, and you provided no evidence to prove that.
Why are you asking me for original scriptures when you are the one who appeals to it? Substantiate your claims...
What is the original (Greek) word for fishweed?
ἰχθύος is a word for fish, literal fish.
biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/24.htm
biblehub.com/text/luke/24-42.htm
And here we see that word being used.
The Essenes kept Passover one day before the Pharisees, so it make the crucifixion earlier so that Jesus was in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights.
Jesus never broke His law. He showed they pharisees HOW He, the law maker and giver, truly kept the law properly. Do we get our ox out of the ditch on sabbath? Or today, help someone whose car has gone off the road on sabbath or say NOO…. Itd sabbath we have to wait til sundown! That is incorrect. Doing good deeds such as healing the sick or eating grain if hungry when nothing else was available-thats A OK! He said He came to reveal the Father. What a loving Father we have! A deeper study proves that toward times end animals would be unhealthy to eat due to sin-toxics chemicals poisons and so on-animal flesh is much more disgusting and toxic full of pesticides adrenaline forced into their bodies in slaughter houses due to overwhelming terrifying fear seeing the killing machines and abuse as they are led to slaughter. Genetically modified grain they eat, and given ground up animal mixed into factory farmed animals to eat, that they dont normal consume. Yes the whole earth and plants are covered in toxins but plants are far less toxic than the blood and flesh of animals today. Ans plants still contain their anticancer and health promoting qualities. The Old and New Testament contains much information for the student and studier of scripture on the subject. Its just that taking the time to study it out is difficult or not interesting for many. To each his own, people can make their own decisions and choices but no need for arguing as its only for wasting time. Blessings~
We can't forget (Genesis 1: 29-30) that in the Garden of Eden Adam and Eve ate only plants. That was God's original project for man and His creation.
I am very curious if you are still vegan and christian still to this day and why you stopped posting?
Thank you so much for this. I have always thought that if Jesus was eating lamb at the "last supper" then it would have mentioned that. Also, He is replacing himself as the sacrificial replacement so they wouldn't have had the ritual killing of a lamb that night. I also feel that John the Baptist wasn't eating meat either and Jesus describes him as "there is no one greater who was born of woman."
Actually, if you look up the Greek Hebrew and Latin words for “fish” depending on which disciple wrote it, where it is at in the Bible, and what language it was originally in, it has different meanings. The verse and chapter that she is referring to in this video, that actual interpretation of the word fish means “a relish to spread on bread” The verse where he said “ throw down your nets and I will make you fishers of men” is actual fish.…. Again, context….., get yourself a lexicon and concordance and study other biblical scholars and scriptures… look up the Greek Hebrew and Latin words and who wrote each scripture if you want the true meanings & interpretations
It sounds like its counterproductive being a vegan Christian unless you are just trying it out. Unless you are willing to not live in a bubble and judge other Christians for eating meat. It goes the same with Carnivores as well. Its not a sin to eat chicken or carrots.
Me 😒 at first she's antivegan me after seeing her video 😀 She's vegan 🌱 🙏🏻 sorry for judging ❤️
1. God gave us dominion and let us rule over all the animals on Earth including fish, birds, cattle and so on
2. God allowed us to eat meat after the great flood of Noah’s ark
3. God commanded the prophets and his people to give him sacrifices with the blood shed of Cattle, Sheep, Goats and more
4. Jesus fed fish and bread to 5,000 people
5. Jesus helped his disciples catch fish and preformed a miracle where he helped them catch more fish then they can handle
6. Jesus made a bunch of demons who were possessing a man go into pigs who later jumped off a cliff and drowned into the ocean
7. God have use food laws on what to eat in the exodus and it says what certain types of meat we are permitted to eat
No he didn't! That was added by the romans
Thank you for this
Of course! I'm glad you found it helpful! :)
It makes sense that there was no lamb at the last supper because Jesus IS the lamb of God. The idea that they are eating lamb at the last supper is ridiculous to me and reeks of wishful thinking by the mind steeped in sin, that wants to kill and eat murdered flesh. It’s very interesting that lamb is served as the Jewish custom for the Passover meal, and Jesus is the lamb of God, that is the sacrifice that is to replace all sacrifices of animals. He overturned a lot of the unconscious Jewish religious practices of the day to fulfill God’s plan rather than just continue customs.
Putting it all into perspective. I like that ❤ As a baptized Catholic who knows the faith well and relatively new on a vegan journey. I can say that veganism fits in very nicely with Catholicism. Catechism if The Catholic Church "2418 It is contrary to human dignity to cause animals to suffer or die needlessly." And in Catholicism animals are sentient and do have a soul but not an immortal soul. And some believe that are included into the New Heaven New Earth. So going vegan should be a very Catholic Christian thing to do, people are just lost to this beautiful most merciful message. Also Jesus ate a predominantly plant based diet and we only know of a few instances from scripture and history that he possibly ate animals a few times a year if at all. A lot of what we think about Jesus eating animals is assumptions as you have shown me. Other than the verse you mentioned, where he ate the fish to prove a divine truth. And necessity plays a big part here. Obviously it's not immoral to eat animals if there is a true need to be doing so. But most of the time today when we eat animals it's it for a true need. Also there was no factory slaughter farming in his day either, as well as the mass fishing operations like to meantikned. If Jesus walked the earth today I feel confident in saying he would be opposed to factory farming, fishing on a massive scale. As followers of Christ we need to think about the evil and suffering imposed on the billions of animals and workers for that matter just so we can satisfy a sensory pleasure, that isn't necessary or healthy for us in most situations. Also it isn't illegal to kill animals just as it isn't always immoral to kill animals. NECESSITY is the operative word here. In the case of survival of a human being it may be necessary in some cases to kill animals. But obviously it is not necessary to kill billions of animals every year so most people van get fat, and sick.
I agree with most of what you said but it is a sin to eat them because it goes against God’s first instructions to male and female on page one. It was also retold to Noah that we shall not eat animal flesh especially since Noah took all the so called “clean animals” and offered burnt sacrifices to the LORD as soon as he got off the Ark even though he was never told to do so and had just saved those animals. So, if sin is going against God’s word, then eating dead animal flesh is a sin.
My family think that veganism is the polar opposite of christianity
When you follow Jesus commands as recorded in Matthew , Luke and MarK you follow commands that YOU THINK may have been ALTERED by humans over the years ,
When you follow the decrees of Paul you are following decrees YOU KNOW are from a human - from a human who hunted ,prosecuted and killed all Christians before his “conversion” and then all who opposed hi decrees after his “conversion’ .
Who was doing the converting? Paul into a Christian or the Christians onto Paul’s followers ?
When you follow the commands of Jesus as recorded in Matthew Luke and Mark you are following the commands of the one before whom you WILL appear on the day of judgment
When you follow the decree of Paul (which excuses you from following the commands of Jesus ) you are following the words of a persecuting , murdering human before whom you WILL NOT appear on the day of judgement.
If you followed Jesus’ commands in Matthew, Luke and Mark thinking they came from Jesus but it turns out they were altered by humans you could honestly say to Jesus “MY LORD ! I followed these commands because I BELIEVED these came from you “
But If you Followed NOT Jesus’ commands in Matthew, Luke and Mark you’d have to sputter the following nonsense “.My Lord I thought you were crucified so that I would not have to follow your commands”
At which point, If it turns out that humans did NOT Alter Jesus commands in Matthew, Luke and Mark, you will be cast out from Jesus presence into torment !
Choose wisely.
And to be clear I am talking about Jesus’ command to alleviate human suffering.
In Jesus life time the population was 1.3 million and providing meat for it did not require 38% of the earths land mass and necessitate the clearing of 28 million additional acres of forest every year to keep up with the growing demand for meat more green house gasses than all forms of transportation combined
In 2022 the population is 7.9 billion and growing and the number of meat eaters si growing and te meat industry is expanding becoming vegan is the only way to stop the meat industries’ deforestation alleviate human suffering then ,yes, means becoming vegan is simply the only way to shut it down.
Governments wont do it because the meat industry bribes congressmen to vote in its favor .
The deforestation is already causing meg droughts on every populated continent including the western USA .
The average annual temperature on earth has gone from 13.94C to 14.94C since 1880 -most of that since 2000!
1 billion people are already starving and can not get clean water to drink
So ,Yes, FOR NOW the only way to avoid catastrophic suffering is a one person to person appeal to another to become vegan -- which FOR NOW is obeying Jesus' command to alleviate suffering--- I HOPE YOU WILL REALIZE THAT YOU NEED TO OBEY JESUS JUST LIKE ALL THE REST OF US
I am not quite vegan, but I am almost vegan. I am though a strict vegetarian. I dont eat eggs or drink milk. I eat a little cheese but only once a week. I have always loved animals. I am a christian and have loved Jesus since childhood.
Jesus made it clear that in the Resurrection we will be like the angels ; the Angels do not have to eat.
Jesus would have observed the Passover meal since his childhood, so couldn’t you argue that just because he may not have eaten it at the last supper he would have eaten it all the previous passovers?
Luke is the only one who claims it the others don’t so nothing to verify it off of, tho it’s also argued it was mistranslated and fish was actually seafood.
Matthew 16:9, 10 KJV loaves no fishes
The animals in his time grew up on natural farms. Not the modern meat industry
it doesn't matter what you eat as Christian ,, what it matters is if you can fulfill basic teachings of Jesus like forgive who trespasses against you,, love your Neighbour like yourself ,,share your belongings
God bless you when you said habit and tradition vs love and mercy i knew the knowledge of the holy spirit was operating through you. Peace be with you great video!🙏❤
To any real Christian reading this comment I am so sorry. This comment was posted by me when I was new to the faith seeking answers from people rather than just reading my Bible on my own. I was deceived into believing we have no freedom in Christ and that it’s a sin to eat “unclean meat” when the NT clearly says ”to the pure all things are pure” and Jesus also said “it’s not what goes into a man that defiles him but what comes out, these are the things that defile him”
John the Baptist clearly ate locus and wild honey and he was not impure because of it. This woman DOES NOT have the Holy Spirit. Do NOT listen to her words Jesus said you will know them by their fruits, don’t just listen to anyone please observe them and their lifestyle . Test even my words by the word of GOD. This woman is not saved DO NOT be fooled!
But if they knew Jesus, they wouldn't offered him fish (when he asked for something to eat, after resurection).
Assuming that who wrote that bible passage knew what happened.. (because since Jesus' brother was vegan, its likely that Jesus was also vegan, so the writer was making stuff up..when writing that passage).
The only time in the bible where Jesus actually commanded us to eat something was the last supper and we all know what that food was…
Thank you for making this video I have come to the same conclusion ❤️keep up the good work 💐🌻💕
Stephanie C. Awesome! Thank you!
why is eating animals byproducts not considered vegan ?
This is so refreshing and I appreciate your perspective and research! Thank you 🧡
As a professing Christian, Bailey Sargent, you should not be married to another woman...
"26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires.
Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other.
27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved"
Romans 1:26-27 (NLT)
What does the Bible say about eating God's creatures?
"3 Forbidding to marry--to abstain from meats that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those believing and acknowledging the truth,
4 because every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be rejected, with thanksgiving being received,
5 for it is sanctified through the word of God and intercession.
6 If thou put the brethren in mind of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished in the words of the faith, and of the good doctrine which thou hast followed "
1 Timothy 4:2-5 (YLT)
Including FISH when feeding the 5,000 people, and let us not forget the tender LAMB for the Passover Meal.
Thanks for this video. I havent decided to be vegan but rather vegitarian. I havent been convicted about eating dairy and eggs as long as I buy free range/grass fed products where the animals are treated humanly and with love and I dont eat it in excess. The eggs we eat are not fertilized and cows produce Milk in excess when pregnant just as humans do, more than their calves can drink. Maybe I will find myself changing in the future, Im not sure. But I do agree we should not eat animals if we dont have to. Only for survival if needed and even then we should do it the most human way possible and with the upmost respect and thankfulness toward the sacrifice made for us substance. Any time I have ate convential meat before I have found it to make me very anxious and fearful. I attribute this to eating an animal that was in a fearful state when being slaugthered and it makes me feel terrible for them.
Animals exploited for dairy and eggs are victims of eugenics, rape, torture, theft, kidnapping, and murder. Go vegan.
You also can go to John 21:1-14, and Romans 14.