The issue with floodgates are "Rules for thee, but not for me." For a card like Summon Limit, you would flip it up AFTER you summoned 10 times already. If floodgates had "Play this at the start of your main phase only" they would be 100x more balanced.
Tbh though it really wouldn't if that were the case people would be using those in decks that play inherently around it or just make it so the deck plays around it meanwhile the opponent doesn't build their deck around that card as they weren't intending on playing it meaning they're punished for it.
@@GuilhermeDiGiorgi People should build their deck to play around every Floodgate? Limiting deckbuilding is what Maxx itself does. I would never agree to such a terrible idea.
One thing consistent i agree with is. Generic floods need removed. Barrone, Appola, Savage, ruin the game. But so do handtraps, the current meta decks REQUIRE HANDTRAPS to even get a monster out. HORRIBLE design. Some handtraps should just be removed (maxx C, its just pot of greed's better younger brother atp.) while some can stay at 3. I agree meta decks NEED hit. ban enablers so decks arent 100% accessible. Yugioh has no recourse system. The best part of old yugioh decks is they were a toss up with few combos because you couldnt access your entire damn deck in one card. let alone accessing your extra deck or graveyard. When something could they were niche, or very special. Restricting cards through other interactions of the game is great. Such as PLANT tuner for example. It has to fit with the archetype, not be something generically able to any case. What I love about synchron WITHOUT that cartoonishly stupid OTK engine that stardust has, is that snychron warriors require risk reward, dont have many ways to access them and have limits. Its interactive. Even "Junk" synchro warriors have this play. But guess what, i dont run 15 negates + my board negates from my archetype that can OTK so i cant even play the match for a turn.
Its not even entirely about there being a revolving door: there's ALWAYS going to be a best deck. We're not going to achieve an equilibrium in a game with well over 100+ archetypes, a meta is always going to develop in a highly explored format. Rogue is just one of those things where you're fortunate its even viable at locals. Frankly, we're lucky to have even gotten a diverse format like DUNE and AGOV/Bologna, and even then, people were complaining at that point that you couldn't side for everything when that was kind of the point. If you have a diverse meta, you have to run more generic good-stuff staples that check a wide spread of decks, which helps rotate less toxic cards out of the format. You couldn't play annoying floodgates like Dimensional Barrier during AGOV because everyone was running SP and there were a considerable amount of Unchained players running around. Konami's biggest mistake recently was moving Sharvara to 1, I still stand by that. That forbidden and limited list had a lot of unnecessary hits just because Konami was scared that people wouldn't buy a Snake-Eye deck. They caused this tier 0 format, we were in an awesome place before that and other decks could've most certainly kept pace with Snake-Eye had they not been hit.
Anybody who thinks mid range or rouge decks are helped by generic extra deck cards has no idea what they’re talking about. You might have been conditioned to feel that way because they were so overwhelming that you had to go into them. But now these rouge decks can play in their own unique way instead of always ending on the same board and you don’t have to worry about having to play through Omni’s every single game. 100% Baronne and Savage being hit helps out lower powered decks
Nope, swordsoul wouldn't always go into Barrone but even then it was such a good option to play around nib, Manaddium is a rogue deck that also used Barrone to play around nib, Salamangreats with their new support got a synchro 7 that has such a mediocre effect and was saved because Barrone was always an option. Honestly, you're the one who doesn't know what they're talking about if you say that every deck ends on the same board. How is a Manaddium endboard similar in any way to a swordsoul one? 1-2 cards being the same doesn't mean everything is identical. If you think pivoting back to garbage strategies like primeheart OTK is helping out lower powered decks then yeah that's "helping". In fact outside of Snake Eyes there was no meta deck outside of exactly Snake eyes making constant use out of Barrone and especially savage. They've fallen out of meta favour for a while now.
@@Honest_Mids_Masher You really don’t seem to understand my comment, many many decks were ending in virtually the same board because of the generic omnis, slight variance does not make it a different board(and obviously there are a couple of exceptions), and guess what? Now that all these decks aren’t using it as a crutch Konami is free and encouraged financially to print new support pieces for these decks to fill that role but in a way that’s more fitting to the deck. Many decks were getting held back by these omnis and if your only argument is nib then you really have no argument, some decks can play through it, some can play around it, some won’t trigger it, and you can find and innovate other ways to avoid the card. Also look up recent decks topping, just check a couple lists and you’ll see you’re just wrong on the last point. I will agree that nib might be a bit annoying for some decks for a while, but Baronne was never the only solution and is at best a bandaid for that
Yeah never bought that argument. Especially considering that tier 0/1/2 decks also had access to those generic extra deck cards AND could use them with greater efficiency.
@@JonNuclear Except they weren't ending on the same board. Once again every single deck had a different endboard even with Barrone and savage legal. Konami could've printed support pieces a long time ago and they still could've done it while Barrone and savage were legal but they didn't. Also keep in mind the TCG aren't the ones that design the majority of the cards in the game that goes to the OCG where Barrone and savage are still legal thankfully. Saying that decks were getting held back by generic cards that are the reason some of them were even meta viable has to be the most disingenuous statement I've ever seen. Also my only argument is nib? Nah the fact that decks just get the worst boss monsters of all time and then are just dumped is my main argument. Even a deck as recent as Manaddium effectively got a worse Blue Eyes Alternative Ultimate Dragon. As for finding other ways to avoid the card keep in mind that Barrone and savage were one of the few generic cards that could negate. Crystal wing requires a synchro monster as material but most decks can't make use of that, and I doubt I need to bring up shooting Quasar or cosmic blazar. Checked Branded lists, couldn't find them playing Barrone or Savage, Checked Purrely and couldn't find them either, neither in Unchained, neither in Labrynth, neither in R-ace. The only ones that I could find that summoned Barrone is exactly Snake Eyes. Voiceless Voice does too but they can't get it out consistently as that requires drawing unsearchable cards. Snake Eyes was the only deck making consistent use of it. If snake eyes was hit no meta decks would've been playing them. Barrone was not the only option you're right....savage was an option but we know what happened there.
I wasn’t aware of the Twitter thread, but here’s my nuclear hot take. Pendulums can come back to full power, no link restrictions. I’ve talked about this at length before on Reddit, but to give the not essay length version of some of my points… Lack of recursion from the ED, pendulum monsters basically have zero ways to come back from the ED to your hand unless we talk about all of… 6 or so cards. I’ll spare you that list for the moment. Somewhat connected to the previous point, a lack of special summons outside the pendulum summon, aka, extenders. Effectively putting you in a perpetual catch 22 of asking yourself if you want to use your Pend summon to make a link monster and not be able to make use of the arrows, or summon whatever monster from your ED and your hand to do other plays. Which leads into- Easy counter play for your opponent. You effectively bottleneck yourself twice, your whole turn usually revolves around your pend summon, so any opponent worth their salt is gonna target your scales or your link monster, with the grind game implications of investing 4 cards every turn to summon 2. A terrible trade. And the one thing I ALWAYS hear when I bring this up… Pendulums having infinite material to make extra deck monsters. Yes, this is true, but put a nice, big fat asterisk in that. A hard once per turn summon of theoretically 6 monsters. (That instantly explodes to any solemn card) Yes, that’s a lot of materials. But it’s once. Almost any half competent deck can drop something like 10+ bodies in a turn, so let’s not pretend like pendulums are unique in that regard. So can we please stop pretending pendulum is this black hole of game balance??? I could go into WAAAAAY more detail, but I’ll stop here. Free the pendulum Konami, let me pendulum summon 6 from the ED, you cowards. If you’re still here reading this, I just wanna talk briefly about an anecdotal experience I have while just playing pends. I was watching a branded player just kinda go off because he beat me in the grind game, and all I had left on the field was really just a single odd-eyes persona and my scales, and I just felt this unbridled envy as he went off, summoning 6 fusion monsters with materials from his deck, grave, shuffling back FROM the grave, and finally just had this nice fat board, and I realized, this dude can summon all these monsters, but i can’t summon glorified main deck monsters? Nah, this limitation is absolute nonsense.
I like the idea as a pend player but it would be too much recursion. Imagine you combo off and they nib you while you got no negates then you pend summon all your pend monsters back. That would be too good
as a pend enjoyer the problem is they can come back to full power and be fine but it would result in more of the most obnoxious ftks youve ever seen and not more of the pend gameplay we love to see pend needs some fundamental changes to make it easier to setup and play while also getting new limitations that cut down on the clownworld gameplay that makes pend a little TOO open world but i fear that time may be passed because a lot of the rules i would adjust are baked into the card text of dozens of pend cards at this point
@@armorparade I agree with this on paper. My only problem is, it’s been 7 years under the link restriction, 4 of them where it was the ONLY other mechanic besides links itself that have to abide by the arrows, and there has been no fundamental reinvention. No generic pendulum extenders to make links, no real changes to built in play style to account for the link restrictions. So at this point, while I agree in theory, it’s been 7 years, if they haven’t done it yet, they’re not going to. So just give me back my mechanic at this point if you (Konami) can’t be bothered to fix what you gutted and left for dead.
@@armorparadealso, I meant full power as in just pend summon full power, not taking things off the banlist. Which, even then, Supreme Venom can come back to 1 as we’ve seen in master duel. But other than that, idk what exactly you mean.
4:48 i get what he's saying. A 6-10 interuption board from a 1 cards combo is basically a floodgate at that point. Also MOST floodgate users are grindy decks and often wont end up with the same field every game and cant finish you on turn 3, unlike some consistent 1 card combo decks. Both are basically "i played first and if you didn't draw the out, no more fun for you". If floodgates all too good then why is snake-eyes getting more win than stun anti-meta decks. Better to ban all the flood gates and one card combos that can basically do the same thing. (Or at least all generic boss monsters esp. Appo)
Personally I like skill drain, its the only one of the flood gates I am personally fine with as it doesn't stop special summoning, but it does simplify the game state. I also say this as someone who loves timelords and they die horribly to that card. But honestly nothing less than something like skill drain will demand we have spell and trap removal mained, and honestly I am all for that. At least you can also keep summoning under skill drain so long as the effects that summon are from hand and dont activate on field. While you might hate skill drain and thats perfectly valid, its on another level than the stuff like summon limit and anti spell.
I like when floodgates can be played around, so skill drain is fine as far as floodgates go. Maybe it should be a continuous spell that can only be used at start of MP1.
Hot fucking take: I banned myself from the game. There's no real way to fix it at this point and Konami is going to keep fleecing the TCG sphere harder and harder without ANY backlash. TCG players at this point have grown accustomed to the abuse to the point Konami is just going to get worse.
Actually, I strongly agree. My wording would have been different but we're thinking more or less the same thing. Unironically playing yugioh should be a meme at this point lol. If you actually like the game as it is rn in any way, you're no better than a league of legends player. Just free yourself at this point. Or don't, it's your life lmao.
Good thing I've never been too engaged with the game before Master Duel. It's just a sad story of how a game just refuses to fix their inherent problems while calling everyone who points them Yugiboomer.
@@wonthangsoop As an ex-LoL player, I'm glad Riot is treating their world like s*** for 5-6 years at this point, because it made me just not feel engaged with the game related to. Almost felt for it again 3 years ago, but ruination's disaster saved me. Seriously though, Why do you think that Konami blocked the Pendulum video? Pendulums weren't busted because of inconsistency, but the mere concept is incredibly against the game's core identity of tempo vs card advantage, and are just awful design just like Cyberstein.
The thing with rogue decks and generic boss monsters is that since rogue decks are worse, those boss monsters where a higher percentage of the decks power, so they lost more then meta. That said, meta decks used them better, so it kinda balances out
Outside of Snake Eyes there's no other meta deck currently that really makes constant and consistent use of them. At this point they are rogue deck cards.
Late to this hot take, my personal one, i was not a fan of the baronne and savage hit. Not becaude i like them. I get why they had to get hit, but the reason why i didnt like the hit was cause those two cards recently got reprinted.
The branded take was something else, not only the main deck only uses archetypal monsters and spells, the extra deck by mechanic of Mirrorjade made it so you have to play a large amount of archetypal monsters. It was so good that you could easily buy the 3 structures + your Aluber, tragedy and branded in red and called it a day. Not a single negate but a ton of disruption. To me it's one of the biggest hits Konami has ever made in designing an archetype and subjacent support for it.
Thanks for being charitable with my take. That is what I meant pretty much. Despite having firmly left the game for a long time now, the goings-on for yugioh are still really fascinating, even the dumpster fire moments.
I would say mine. Yeah, I should have worded myself better, but I do mean most stuff, how banning floodgates is a very shortsighted solution and that combo is as reliant on blocking plays as stun and stall. Forgot to say we had become overreliant on handtraps and board breakers to solve problems that were not there 15 years ago, which makes YGO incredibly highrolly.
A little late but here's my hot take: What are you celebrating? It's only a matter of time before Komoney launches other cards that do the same thing but with a few more steps. Day 852 waiting for NOT BROKEN support for Venom.
My hottake: Honestly i know we are getting a new card that are more or less a eratta Maxx C but i am gonna say it. I feel honestly Maxx C can come back at 2 or 3 in my opinion. The card is only a problem if the player let it be a problem. There are so many ways to stop the card now and days and even back then. Maxx C is the perfect card to stop you're opponent sins it dosent stop the player form playing the game. The only times you are still summoning cards after Maxx C is used is either becaush you can beat you're opponent that turn with no problem or you can try to deck out you're opponent and stat Maxx C race. Maxx C has been hated for so long and there are waaaay worse card than C plus Maxx C is a doubleedge sword. Sure it can be a benefit for you but it can also be the thing that make you lose the game. So i fell in my opinion considering we are to fast game now and there are so many card that makes the game unhealthy Maxx C should be allowed to come back to make you're opponent or you to think if you still wanna continiue summoning. That is my hot take and my own opinion.
Maxx c is cancer. Forces every deck to play it and counters to it since it can auto win smh.very unbalanced. the ocg uses hard drugs and they are not well.😢
I don t get why people hype this card. Its just Maxx C but only good in Game 2-3 How did that make it any more fair or interactive? The Community already agreed that Maxx sucks so why reuse the same bad idea?
Floodgates should be continous spells and restrict you from activating them if you already broke its rules yourself. Also I would like some more interesting limitations. Most just say "I win you the game or do nothing" Anti-spell fragrance would actually be a great example of a good floodgate if the game would last more than 3 turns and restricted your spelluse on turn1 as well.
The changes were fine, but it wasn't enough. Pure Snake eye is still tier 0 and rogue decks just got worse. Limit poplar and flamburge dragon and wanted. Limit Lo and preprep. Free Luna light tiger, mermaid, drident, master plan, barrage. Ban Apollousa, IP, runick fountain, did i mention ban sanctifier? Ban crimson dragon, ban runick fountain, and lastly ban runick fountain.
my take is that if cards get nerfed by erratas I wish that they would get buffed more by erratas as well, especially those who were taken out of the meta by being over-nerfed
7:54 Colossus is based. Easy to summon, toxic 1 sided floodgate, immune to most removal. My only issue is that its locked to thunder monsters. It should have been generic so even Konami could not defend it anymore.
Time tearing morganite is the perfect 'I have a gift for you' card. The 'you' being the opponent. I can draw 2 every time it's my draw phase, normal summon twice every one of my main phases, but CANNOT play any hand traps ever. Basically it's the 'let's see who's combo is faster challenge.'😂😅 Thunder Dragon Colossus, Droll and Lockbird and Ash Blossom & joyous spring don't matter as this card alters 2 of a player's turn phases and do NOT add any thing from deck to hand. Dark Bribe and Solemns are the best response to this card.
Hot take: While I'm fine with the Baronne ban, Savage was pretty clearly only banned to protect Snake-Eyes. Reasoning: Savage is a card that has been in every meta deck in previous formats, yes, but that was usually because of other problem cards like Halq, Linkross and Auroradon when those were legal, enabling a whole other form of "why do I play this game?" Savage actually isn't as generic as he looks. While the materials are generic, his omni-negate isn't live immediately like Baronne. You have to have a Link monster in GY to determine how strong Savage becomes, which means it is incredibly hard to use him to stop Nib as you do have to go through a whole other summon mechanic. Not every deck that plays Synchros plays Links, and vice versa. The reason he was so powerful in Snake-Eyes was that they could use him to force you to Nib early while Flamberge Dragon was on board, so you trigger Flamberge for them. The defacto deck to use him up until he got banned, was DLink, a deck he was designed to be used in. Yes, he is Rokket support, but in the anime, Varis/Revolver's deck is functionally a version of Dragon Link. Any other deck that I saw use him was either something you'd see at table 500, a meta deck during a format with some of the most problematic cards ever created or a deck that is problematic on its own. TL;DR Savage is typically played in the deck he was designed for. The problem cards made him too broken.
Hot Take: Ban everything. Everyone will be happy. Everyone will be mad. Perfectly balanced as all things should be. Or unban everything and watch chaos ensue MUAHAHAH.
@@BreadBoyWeeb well firstly it’s just a joke. Secondly no it really wouldn’t. Yes there would be an increased amount of FTKs but decks like Tear and Snake-Eyes would be the most dominant. Also hopefully this didn’t come off as rude.
@@Lugiamasterbrony I’m not sure. While tear would be represented why spend a turn and a half to win when you can win turn 1? I guess if you don’t win the coin flip but if you don’t win the coin flip in a no ban list tournament you are prob gonna lose no matter what. Apologies if I came off rude in the previous response
@@BreadBoyWeeb Don’t worry ya didn’t come off as rude to me. You do have a point but the OCG has done a few No banlist tournaments and Tear has seemed to have been the most powerful as well as other Tier 0 decks. FTKs were in the events for sure though. Not sure if they still do them though but you can look up OCG no banlist tournament on RUclips.
I think that all Boss Monsters that are part of a series should be given a Goyo Guardian type errata to fit the series. Not make it archetype specific, but keep it in theme. Barronne should require a Warrior, Plant, or Machine monster as material. Savage Dragon should require a DARK or Dragon as material Verte should require DARK or Plant as material. I think this because there are now so many cards in the game that we legitimately don't need any more 2 material card bosses. What's the point of the lore and themes if you make it have no impact on gameplay?
And when I say "there are so many cards that we don't need any more 2 mat bosses," I really mean it. Now that Rutkalos was printed, there's at least one Fusion Monster in every Attribute(except Divine) that negates card effects There's a Ritual Monster in every Attribute that negates effects. There's a Synchro in every Attribute that negates effects. There's an Xyz in every Attribute that negates effects.
My lukewarm take was that savage did not need to get banned. It was a non Destruction negate that required a link in the graveyard to be live and only had the negate if it was synchro summoned. Baronne is a negate and destroy with no setup needed, a pop, and a generic floating effect that allowed you to summon her next turn. Apollousa and baronne have far more in common than savage especially as savage cannot even play around Nibiru and unlike apollousa can only negate 1 handtrap per turn which by the time you would summon him would have probably already been used. You can argue dragon link but dragon link will always be a problem not because of the boss monsters but the extenders and combo makers.
2:26 Nibiru becomes a garnet under mask of restrict, is banished unresolved by debunk or just blocked by solemns or rendered moot by building a viable end board in 4 or less summons. Nibiru has a lot of weaknesses and these weaknesses bite it harder when a player runs 3 Nibiru per deck. Early mask of restrict; enjoy 3 garnets when you draw them. Summoning less than 5 times per turn; ugh why did i even put this card in here? Counter traps; congratulations on wasting a resource. There are probably more weaknesses than i have mentioned all of which can be exploited without being considered broken enough to be banned themselves. Nibiru players would need to run discard for cost cards or multiple trade ins to get rid of Nibiru in these situations before Nibiru can be countered.
That first hot take was completely wrong. I played branded 4 2 years and they have a total of 4 negates with a heavy restriction on each one. 1) tri-brigade merc, a monster negate as long as you have an albaz fusion on your field. This one is the easiest one to use. 2) Branded retribution, a spell, trap, monster negate but only on cards that summon monsters and you have to shuffle back an abalz fusion you control or 2 albaz fusions in you gy. Also exclusively used for its gy effect. 3) Rindbrum, a fusion monsters that negates extra deck monsters only. I honestly wished it was merc on legs and stopped mosters effects in general however i just use it for its gy effect. 4) Brigthest, Blazing, Branded king is a trap that can negate the entire field but you have to have an albaz fusion to target that will keep its effects active. This card is double edge because you might want to keep other cards active like branded lost, quem, or cartisia for effect on your opponents turn. If branded want a onmi negate the have to use the adventure engine or play red-eyes dark dragoon.
I can understand the feelings of the "ban Nib" guy tbh. Some decks quite simply cannot play through it, and although you could argue the game would be better without some of those decks that do some pretty degenerate things (e.g. those HERO end boards with Dark Angel, Dark Law and Rivalry), it would be nice if the staple that is played everywhere by everyone didn't absolutely body them. Same logic as with D. Barrier and Shifter (which I also want gone). And if the combo piles were to lose their end board pieces and could no longer produce unbreakable board states, I too would like Nibiru gone. For now though, we need it.
I mean graceful makes sense because in a landscape where max c. Exist you don't want. Him to inward draw graceful charity one day of peace and pot of greed in the middle of a first turn play
6:00 Prom-princess is really cool but a horrible example of good Type/Attribute... lock cards as she only need 1 Fire in Grave to be used to maximum efficiency. People play Prom-princess together with a Water link monster just because they feel like it. Great "restriction to Fire monsters".
Honestly the banned kuriboh about 4 days before I completed my kuriboh now. Running amiraj because I geuss or link spider which aren't good besides handing me a different name. Or. Keeping a negate up in a deck I barely see opponents boarding to attack threw
Honestly I was so excited to play speedroid once again since terrortop is at three but sadly baron got hit and was one of the best wind synchros to go into. So know I’m trying dropping the kashtera engin to try out wind witches with speedroids to go into crystal wing before becoming vulnerable to nib. Best part all the cards are searchable with wind Chanler.
I quit in real life YU-GI-OH play last month before we got a ban list. I sold off my collection minus a few cards. Also most of these takes are wild. I play online only. I mainly play retro formats on Dueling Books 2002-2017. I mainly play commander MTG in real life. Also here's my hot takes: All the dragon rulers to three and limit both Runick Fountain and Runick Tip.
Branded is one of the best designed archetypes in the game. Using generic cards is a common thing and even so, branded's ED is almost full of its own in-archetype cards because they're just that good
@@cooldes4593 Dragostapelia isn't even a very generic negate, it still requires you to specifically go into fusion lines. plus they specifically say Branded's only endboards are generic negates and pops when that's objectively false, Mirrorjade is summoned over Dragostapelia 99% of the time, and Guardian Chimera is also anything but generic.
@@SammyK-jt3vv idk if you are trolling or not but dragostapelia and guardian chimera are extremely generic. You saying they aren’t because you have to fusion summon them is like baron is generic because you have to synchro summon it, or appo isnt generic because you have to go into link plays. Also, branded can go into both mirrorjade and dracostapelia. And still guardian chimera your board on your turn. Its not one or the other. They definitely use generic pops and negates
I play in the OCG locals using my pet rogue deck, every few months I see the same generic meta release of new Archetypes and Tier 0 format. Maxx C won't be banned soon yet, because every one is used to it, much like Dimension Shifter, it's here for a reason. The negates tho like that Stupid Horse being around does annoy us players but it's just YGO. If we got a problem with those Omni negates here then we run Solemn strike or Witch's strike. XD
Hahahaha, love the video, I'm the guy who shitted on nib and no, I dont play combo, I play scareclaw but the fear of my oponent just throwing a rock on my board still haunts me 💀
3:37 That's not necessarily true depending on the deck you're playing. Some decks have extremely tight ED space and even if they can spare the extra slot it's usually going towards something much more versatile. Some decks also have locks that prevent you from just linking the monster off, such as branded. Honestly mermaid can come back but I don't think locks like iblee and the gimmick puppet nightmare lock should be legal, regardless of how much meta presence they end up having.
That's gonna be quite difficult tbh. Something that prevents any interaction, is unbeatable, abuses certain mechanics to an extreme extent, stuff along those lines.
I dont think toxic is the right word for it. They're "Toxic" in the way they cause issues across the entire game. Like a plague. Ruining a player's ability to interact with their opponent and their own deck, grave, hand, or extra is extremely lack luster game design. Let alone when meta decks can abuse these stapples EASILY and consistently while rogue decks can, to far FAR lesser play. This includes hand trap safety.
@@N12015 if this is another "people hate stun, but like playing combo" crap then I will stop you. Yes ending on unbreakable boards is toxic, no most people don't like playing against said boards and it doesn't make Gozen, rivalry, TCBOO any less toxic.
I have 2 things I would like changed First unlimit the exodus pieces it doesn’t make sense sure immediate wins would be more common but it’s already one in over 6,000 but it balances out more since the extra bricks makes it more difficult to FTK since less draw cards can be activated Second baronne should have archetypal retrains not of the fluer archetype take some of the the lower decks like swordsoul or zombies and make versions of the card that work more exclusively with them (like a wyrm or zombie tuner) give the support to the decks that used them as a part of the end board rather than the end board (also a hard once per turn)
How do you errata Last Turn? The only real thing it needs to match PSCT is to specify that the victory condition which the OCG already does. "During the End Phase of this turn, if only one player controls a monster, that player wins the duel. Otherwise, the result is a Draw." That's all you need to do. Every other question is already answered on the card itself.
Why do people keep saying that every meta deck plays baronne and savage? The top 5 decks pre-banlist were Pure Snake-Eye, Fire King Snake-Eye, Voiceless Voice, Branded, and Kashtira. Only 3 played baronne and only 1 out of the 3 abused the card/prioritized getting her out as soon as possible.
@@roachybill The recent history of decks playing both starts and ends with Snake-Eyes which is a problem in itself. Generics are being scapegoated. Simple as that.
@@roachybill It is more accurate to say that 1/5 abused generic cards so much that they prioritized them, while the other 2/5 played her as more of a tech if anything. Pure Snake-Eye and Fire King Snake Eye took up a majority of all top cuts. 1 was abusing baronne and savage the other wasn’t. Behind them are VV and Branded, 1 played the card but not emphasized and the other didn’t play anything but fusions. Lastly Kash which did play her but usually didn’t front load her onto the board going first. I am not talking about those previous formats, I am talking about this tier 0 format where only 1/5 of the best decks abused baronne, savage and Kuri. Yes…and? What’s your point? Correct some decks don’t emphasize certain cards as much as other decks. For example… Endymion uses Selene more than any other deck. They go through like 2-3 of them.
@@roachybillIn the case of Kashtira they have to give up a monster (usually a form of interruption) and an unsearchable ghost girl card (which is another form of interruption) giving up two forms of interruption to make a strong but singular form of interruption honestly is more fair compared to how most decks make Barrone. VV also is just very clunky in summoning Barrone too to where it can't do it consistently. Banning Barrone doesn't change the power of these decks at all to where you can't really say they're "making use" when it's very occasional. Historically speaking yes, those cards in further past formats did see use in a lot of meta decks. Id agree and wouldn't mind if they got banned then but now when most meta decks either don't summon it or do so consistently outside of rogue decks? I can't say I agree with that.
Also if Baronne and savage were to get an errata. The most sensible change would be a Synchron tuner for baronne and a dragon tuner for savage. This way you can make the cards more exclusive without making them to exclusive.
Except it wasn't meant to be locked to crystrons, it was meant to make Synchros playable in MR4. But it should give u Synchro lock for the rest of the turn when u use its effect.
i belive things need to be more archetype focused, its sad and boring to see such fun themes like adamancipator "you excavate the earth (the deck) in search of your monsters" , to just VOMIT the same extra deck monster's. generics needs to stop , or just be bad , like Z-Arc level's of bad. and for cards to be more archetype locked , like red-eyes dark dragoon.so each deck/archetype has its up's and down's and be more up to the skill's of the player and how he deals with the outcomes instead of the "draw the out" and thx to bow goddess BS pendulums will never have a chance to shine. (pendulums were never broken,shockmaster was, a XYZ card.)
Can someone please explain to the whole branded player base thingy? because I have never once encountered or even heard from an example of branded players behaving bad. but people who "hate", for lack of a better word, on branded for the most absurde reasons are everywhere.
no. This doesnt make yugioh any better. This just makes it a luck fest whoever draws POG gets a huge bonus for no reason. Seems like an unfun way to play imo
Floodgates and Maxx "c" 100% need to be banned, and not just for combo decks to not be oppressed. Konami won't print good control/backrow cards/decks because they inherently have an easier time abusing floodgates and don't care or care much less about Maxx "c". Ban the floodgates and the roach and the next control deck will have to be made strong enough to stand on its own.
MAKE MORE POWERFUL TRAP CARDS Darma cannon is such a good card they should really print more stuff on that level (and some better trap holes for traptrix) Make trap hole cards that have on field effects and effects in grave for interruption, give them a way to go second when the opponent has an established board like idk a card that makes it so every monster on the field is treated as if it was summoned that turn.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SAYING THIS. Yugioh barely has any good( in design) control strategies like snake-eyes is legit a control strategy but thanks to konamis excessive need to make generic crazy bosses its a control deck with too many ways to OTK or get out a unbreakable field. Same with floodgates I won’t say anything though cause you basically summed it up for me
Oh yea and Konami also decided to make a great control Strat that can be played with ANOTHER TIER 0 DECK THATS DOMINATING THE META I swear Konami needs to put more restrictions on cards, yes it’s fun to play a bunch of stuff together but for that to be balanced the cards that can be played together shouldn’t be crazy strong by themselves. Also what they make playable together is weird like with the recent lore archetypes the visas lore it’s hard to play a deck that uses them all cause 2 of the 5 archetypes have some restriction that locks you out of playing the other strategies , the first archetype being scareclaw which boss monsters second effect locks you into scareclaws even though its effect is mid(also I love scareclaw it’s one of the only good designed control decks yet isn’t appreciated cause it’s not crazy OP) and kashtia rise heart with theosis, which I agree with theosis( and even with it’s restriction all you gotta do is be smart about using it and your good) but rise heart? Why strip related cards of synergy then turn around and allow snake eyes and fire king to be played together it makes you wonder what the hell the the people at Konami are thinking. long story short: how do lore related decks always have restrictions that stop them from being played together yet Konami do things like the year of fire where all fire strats can be played together?
the remaining zoodiac,dragon ruler,tearlament and master plan could be taken off the list tomorrow and besides tear they wouldn't effect the current meta much is at all and even then the only real reason tear was so good was because of agido and kelbek
Jet should have been banned instead of Baronne and Savage. Linkuriboh could go either way. Snake-Eyes would have to sink actual resources into making synchros if their tuner had to be Flamvell Guard instead of the card that always represents two materials.
Barrone and savage didn’t purely get banned cause snake eyes ,yes they did play a part in them getting banned but people have been complaining about these cards way before snake-eyes came out for how generic they were also jet snychron isn’t really allat it’s only played in snake eyes and (a few) synchro decks because it fits a specific role that supports them while baronne and savage were played in EVERYTHING becuase they were so easy to get out and didn’t need to fit any roles to be added to a deck. When banning things you can’t just say ban so and so cause it helps a good deck you have to look at a bigger picture baronne and savage were toxic cards used to make crazy unfair boards that made the game unfun while jet is just a monster that probably won’t even see play anymore in snake-eyes unless it’s to get formula synchron out for a draw
@@weeabooproductions2196 Jet synchron is still seeing use..... it's just that instead of Barrone and savage it's now dis pater and Omega getting rid of two cards from your hand before you've even had your turn.
@@Honest_Mids_Masher mb I was slightly wrong but the thing is you gotta use 5 monsters to do this when I would argue it’s just better to play snake eyes how it’s intended at that point as you can play negates non targeting destruction and other things and its random cards meaning that it’s not always gonna shut down the opponent(I’m not declining that that it’s good though) it would just be better to strengthen your board and backrow in a meaningful way then use 5 cards to rip 2 random cards( also dis parter is just overrated this is literally the best application I’ve heard for it lol)
@@weeabooproductions2196 Hey, I'm not the guy that does that stuff lmao that's just what others have decided to do. As for whether it's better or not that remains to be seen by how it performs I never cared enough about Snake eyes to study how big then investments of their resources are. Also yeah dis pater and omega for the double handrip is cheesy AF especially when you realize that omega's handrip turns on dis pater's negate. It's always been a turn 1 play in my synchron deck to rip cards like superpoly out of my opponent's hand. (Truly peak Yu-Gi-Oh)
i didnt see the twitter thread but heres some of mine. personally i didnt mind that baronne was a generic synchro boss monster, my issue with it was that it wasnt locked into synchro focused decks, like a deck like kash which most the time will xyz lock themselves runs baronne cause like 20% of the time they can make it. baronne being a single omni was never my problem with it, its how splashable it is. i dont know how much it would affect things but i would have loved to see the what could have happened if in order to summon baronne, you could only synchro summon for that turn. also never really liked the idea of 'just make it require a fluer' cause it feels like the same as 'just give every archetype a baronne' but in the opposite direction. people asking for shifter's ban dont really seem to get the real reason it should be banned. a two turn denial of the GY as a handtrap is strong, but imo thats fine. whats not fine is how it turns off cards that have to send cards specifically to the GY as cost. and while we talking about macro cosmos style effects, ariseheart was perfectly fair as a card. the thing that was hard caryying kash were things like 3 shifter and 3 prosp.
Lmao I'll take the disagree though I wish I went a bit in further on why I said it. Basically the previous format to the banlist was one where outside of exactly Snake Eyes no meta decks were making a large use of Barrone or Savage. Branded wasn't, Labrynth Wasn't, VV doesn't constantly summon it, Tenpai isn't, R-Ace Diabellestar isn't, unchained isn't, purrely isn't, FK SE and Pure FK ain't either. If we're talking a couple of formats ago though where every deck was all about negate fests then yeah I'd be first in line for banning them but they've been falling out of favour for a while now pre snake eyes. Hit Snake eyes and suddenly everything is archetypal or locked into other summoning mechanics. Decks lately have been moving away from negate fests for a while now previously to snake eyes as well and yes I'm a combo player so I'm probably (ok definitely) biased so I definitely would like these cards to stay. While sure there's the off chance that a new meta deck may use them again it either won't be a tier 0 deck that's problematic enough to ban them or the deck itself is the more problematic.Even now Snake Eyes is going for handripping as a strat with dis pater and omega and I have no doubt the SE cards itself will get hit anyways so you cant really say that Barrone and savage were the main problems with that deck. Also I never expected I'd be in a RUclips video so that's a first. Thanks for reading and the reply (also yeah that's probably the only hot take I have for the game)
It's really funny how people don't recognize in a game like Yugioh where power creep is endless how potent simply not supporting an archetype or card can be. Spright seemed like it would never not be meta even with Elf banned but you don't hear anyone talking about it now when level/rank 2s have been purposefully designed to not really play into their gameplan or not printed at all in favor of other shilled attributes. Jet Synchron being summonable by Snake-Eyes is an engine problem because that engine has a fucking E-Tele for it, level 1s to make Formula, and a level 8 boss monster to synch with it. That takes a lot of specificity to be "generically toxic". Same for Mannadium or Infernoble, previous synchro combo decks that gave Baronne most of her play last year to not much success.
If there's another one of these: Casuals NEED to gatekeep people using obviously meta decks. I know this seems a bit broad of an ask, and it definitely does depend on where you are; But the fact that if someone were to just bring a top tier deck to a locals that are playing lower tier decks, they end up suffering against that deck because this game has devolved into a game of Raw Effects and Numbers. I just want Casuals to have a real space to have fun in and Konami makes it more and more apparent that they don't care about really making a space for them. Also Tiger to 3 man.
I think branded is a good archetype, however I agree that it is one of the most boring fusion-based archetype decks these days, not because the boards it makes are toxic but simply for the fact that it is a deck that I see constantly from when I started playing yu gi oh again, without considering the fact that he randomly continues to receive support that he doesn't need to be competitive
This game just needs a general rule change to give players quadruple starting life. Negates, floodgates, huge draw power, etc. aren't the issue. Dying in 1 turn is. While were at it, make all level 4 or lower normal monsters special summon from hand for free and 5 or higher normal without tributing. Finally, Give Pends master rule 3 pend summoning. Lord knows they need it.
As a Shark enjoyer, and Branded hater, the first take is on point. For as many different support cards as Branded has, and how many different fusions they can use, 95% of duels just become MirrorJade Turbo. If you can stop the fusion, you win. If you cant, you lose. Its super boring
The errata on Fortune Lady Light was completely unnecessary and probably a personal attack against me. Who other than me play's Fortune Lady? That card did nothing to anyone.
Savage was a fine card because it required a few steps that made it too slow for the average deck to use. Snake-eyes being able to play past literally everything made it broken. Baronne I care a lot less about. Since it was just an easy card any deck that can count to ten with a tuner can make.
This guy really just showed Rindrumm a picture and said "They have no single negate". Even as a person who only plays Branded in the first wave (Red, Chimera, and re-summon Mirrorjade with Ad Libitum), I know this has a negate and non-target bounce. I think the most annoying thing about Branded is their ability to board wipe but also have a crazy recovery effect. YGO players always only antagonize "negate" as the only bad thing in YGO. But doing too many things is also problematic. The only thing that makes Branded seem fair is that we are still in the format where generic good bosses exist. So, non-generic bosses should be "overtuned" to become equal to those generic good bosses. Mirrorjade for example, has the best removal in the game, non-target banish, and board wipe in EP if you accidentally sneeze and move this card from their main monster zone (this is very devastating, knowing most decks don't have in-engine protection or negates, and you cannot recover anything because it happens on the EP), guarantee backup from the "cost" it uses, and big. . Also, this guy just said Colossus was okay after he denied the "hypocrisy". I think this is what he means about the hypocrisy. Both of them aren't good for the game. Yes, you can use Impermanance to counter Colossus. But did you know, you can also counter Skill Drain if you draw Cosmis or Lightning Storm? If the other card is okay if you coincidentally draw a specific card, why the other card is not okay when you can counter this card? . Just because it is not a negate, doesn't mean this is fair. The virus is not negate and has a real cost (unlike that deck, the cost is searching new card in the EP). But this is unfair. I think if the number of disruptions is equal to or more than the cards in the opponent's hand. How do you think this is fair? I think 1-2 consistent disruptions (from combo) and inconsistent disruptions (good traps or hand traps) are enough to make a fair and fun game. With a lot of disruptions from modern decks today. You can really play the game unless you draw specific non-engine.
i feel like there really should be traditional format events and having it more supported so the sickos could play that and understand why we have a ban list at all bc all of these cards at even one copy is a recipe for disaster and a lot of ftks, it would give excuse for Konami to reprint some of these bs banned cards that haven't been printed in eons like pot of greed or graceful charity
On the nib segment, you say nib is one of the few hand traps that can check combo decks, well withiut omni negates there is no combo decks to check. What are they gonna do make crystalwing and red dragon archfiend abyss? You really cant beat that without nib???
Bro im k whit banning gneneric boss monsters but What about the deck that dont fk have decent boss monsters How i’m suppose to summon primeheart without my opponet laughing at me ?
I man. Ehh. Colossus and Protos are fine at 1. They've both been legal in Master Duel and they haven't done shit. I do agree that Protos is a badly designed and oppressive floodgate and probably should be banned for that reason alone. But I think for the Meta in general it won't cause any issues for now.
The only thing I disagree with is when you said "yugi-tubers please stop reacting to my vids" Like what lol it's free exposure bro, that being said I love your content BBW
Ban lists are stupid. Why would they ban powerful cards just to leave even more powerful cards That counter the other cards which can also counter the other cards if played right!? that doesn't make any sense!
I generally rather play against fire king snake eyes and pure snake eyes all day long, then play against any kind of ibly deck for a single turn. Btw if you were only gonna ban 2 out of the 3 omni negates, it should of been bow and borrload. Barone is the weakness and only has one fucking omni negate. I am personally fine with it and btw it's not better to go into over one of your Sword soul monsters. Yes I main sword soul and do pretty well the deck.
That’s nonsense. Baronne is the worst of the 3 due to how easy you can go into her. Unlike the other 2 you can also keep summoning her back every turn or just pop something every turn. Card is way overtuned.
@arrownoir my dude, you are seriously drinking the borrone coollaid. It's easily the worst of the 3. He'll savage has more negates and is just as easy to Summon. In fact, it's way easier to go into savage because it's a level 8. Borrone van easily be played around with its measly 1 negate. If you wanna use it's negate again, after you used it on your opponents turn, you have to send it back the extra deck on your turn, and use more resources just to bring it out again. Yes being able to destroy a card one per turn is nice yes, but that doesn't much unless your getting rid of a flood gate or a key card. However I think your missing the fact that the game is so fast and that every deck either a crazy amount resources that can allow your monster to dodge or just come back into the game. In that statement, borrone doesn't do nearly enough in the meta. Sorry but in comparison, borrone is just to slow compared to savage and apo. He'll I play borrone in my sword soul deck for the last 2 years, and I almost never opponents to make it over long and chain, cause they just so much more then borrone and also push your deck forward.
Konami can you please unban tye starving venom archtype its not its own fault that its banned instead bad the lunalight monster that causes it also don't forget to stop milking us Europeans and americans for money because no, we do not care about your greed, please allow italian cards
I can empathize with the floodgate take, but the argument that the opponent was going to make an equally degenerate board is kind of dumb. If I'm using Skill Drain, I'm flipping it up asap. What? Are you _not_ going to use the card when you see the opponent play a deck you deem is fair and fun?
The issue with floodgates are "Rules for thee, but not for me." For a card like Summon Limit, you would flip it up AFTER you summoned 10 times already. If floodgates had "Play this at the start of your main phase only" they would be 100x more balanced.
THIS
Tbh though it really wouldn't if that were the case people would be using those in decks that play inherently around it or just make it so the deck plays around it meanwhile the opponent doesn't build their deck around that card as they weren't intending on playing it meaning they're punished for it.
@@Honest_Mids_Masher too bad, they should have seen this when building their deck
@@GuilhermeDiGiorgi People should build their deck to play around every Floodgate? Limiting deckbuilding is what Maxx itself does. I would never agree to such a terrible idea.
@@Honest_Mids_Masher limiting deck btw also force play 20 handtrap in non maxxc format
ygo being fun is an insanely hot take. dude's been cooking over there
8:20 I still remember when each Attribute and Type had their own strength. Like Fire for burn, Water for stupid handloops, earth having huge bodies...
FIRE? BURN? 😂 HAVE YOU SEEN LAVAL FLAMVELL 2010?
fire has always been spam deck
Earth is mostly gransoil, quess what they do
Attribute and type doesn't mean much in yugioh's design it's the archetypal design that Matters, fire fist doesn't burn isn't?
Dinos pop the baby, Machines OTK, Dragons summon big dragons, Zombie abuse the GY, ...
10:29 Not only erratas to bring powerful cards down but also bring weaker archetypes up.
Most erratas minus three have rendered some cards unplayable. For every Firewall dragon there's 2 CDEs
That “hypocrecy” take was hilarious
"hypocrecy" when "Hippocrusty" walks in: 😨
why isnt bonfire at 1? i mean reinforcement for the army is at 1 for years.
One thing consistent i agree with is.
Generic floods need removed. Barrone, Appola, Savage, ruin the game.
But so do handtraps, the current meta decks REQUIRE HANDTRAPS to even get a monster out. HORRIBLE design. Some handtraps should just be removed (maxx C, its just pot of greed's better younger brother atp.) while some can stay at 3.
I agree meta decks NEED hit. ban enablers so decks arent 100% accessible. Yugioh has no recourse system.
The best part of old yugioh decks is they were a toss up with few combos because you couldnt access your entire damn deck in one card.
let alone accessing your extra deck or graveyard. When something could they were niche, or very special. Restricting cards through other interactions of the game is great. Such as PLANT tuner for example. It has to fit with the archetype, not be something generically able to any case.
What I love about synchron WITHOUT that cartoonishly stupid OTK engine that stardust has, is that snychron warriors require risk reward, dont have many ways to access them and have limits. Its interactive. Even "Junk" synchro warriors have this play. But guess what, i dont run 15 negates + my board negates from my archetype that can OTK so i cant even play the match for a turn.
Its not even entirely about there being a revolving door: there's ALWAYS going to be a best deck. We're not going to achieve an equilibrium in a game with well over 100+ archetypes, a meta is always going to develop in a highly explored format. Rogue is just one of those things where you're fortunate its even viable at locals.
Frankly, we're lucky to have even gotten a diverse format like DUNE and AGOV/Bologna, and even then, people were complaining at that point that you couldn't side for everything when that was kind of the point. If you have a diverse meta, you have to run more generic good-stuff staples that check a wide spread of decks, which helps rotate less toxic cards out of the format. You couldn't play annoying floodgates like Dimensional Barrier during AGOV because everyone was running SP and there were a considerable amount of Unchained players running around.
Konami's biggest mistake recently was moving Sharvara to 1, I still stand by that. That forbidden and limited list had a lot of unnecessary hits just because Konami was scared that people wouldn't buy a Snake-Eye deck. They caused this tier 0 format, we were in an awesome place before that and other decks could've most certainly kept pace with Snake-Eye had they not been hit.
Anybody who thinks mid range or rouge decks are helped by generic extra deck cards has no idea what they’re talking about. You might have been conditioned to feel that way because they were so overwhelming that you had to go into them. But now these rouge decks can play in their own unique way instead of always ending on the same board and you don’t have to worry about having to play through Omni’s every single game. 100% Baronne and Savage being hit helps out lower powered decks
Nope, swordsoul wouldn't always go into Barrone but even then it was such a good option to play around nib, Manaddium is a rogue deck that also used Barrone to play around nib, Salamangreats with their new support got a synchro 7 that has such a mediocre effect and was saved because Barrone was always an option. Honestly, you're the one who doesn't know what they're talking about if you say that every deck ends on the same board. How is a Manaddium endboard similar in any way to a swordsoul one? 1-2 cards being the same doesn't mean everything is identical. If you think pivoting back to garbage strategies like primeheart OTK is helping out lower powered decks then yeah that's "helping". In fact outside of Snake Eyes there was no meta deck outside of exactly Snake eyes making constant use out of Barrone and especially savage. They've fallen out of meta favour for a while now.
@@Honest_Mids_Masher You really don’t seem to understand my comment, many many decks were ending in virtually the same board because of the generic omnis, slight variance does not make it a different board(and obviously there are a couple of exceptions), and guess what? Now that all these decks aren’t using it as a crutch Konami is free and encouraged financially to print new support pieces for these decks to fill that role but in a way that’s more fitting to the deck. Many decks were getting held back by these omnis and if your only argument is nib then you really have no argument, some decks can play through it, some can play around it, some won’t trigger it, and you can find and innovate other ways to avoid the card. Also look up recent decks topping, just check a couple lists and you’ll see you’re just wrong on the last point. I will agree that nib might be a bit annoying for some decks for a while, but Baronne was never the only solution and is at best a bandaid for that
Yeah never bought that argument. Especially considering that tier 0/1/2 decks also had access to those generic extra deck cards AND could use them with greater efficiency.
@@JonNuclear Except they weren't ending on the same board. Once again every single deck had a different endboard even with Barrone and savage legal.
Konami could've printed support pieces a long time ago and they still could've done it while Barrone and savage were legal but they didn't. Also keep in mind the TCG aren't the ones that design the majority of the cards in the game that goes to the OCG where Barrone and savage are still legal thankfully.
Saying that decks were getting held back by generic cards that are the reason some of them were even meta viable has to be the most disingenuous statement I've ever seen. Also my only argument is nib? Nah the fact that decks just get the worst boss monsters of all time and then are just dumped is my main argument. Even a deck as recent as Manaddium effectively got a worse Blue Eyes Alternative Ultimate Dragon. As for finding other ways to avoid the card keep in mind that Barrone and savage were one of the few generic cards that could negate. Crystal wing requires a synchro monster as material but most decks can't make use of that, and I doubt I need to bring up shooting Quasar or cosmic blazar.
Checked Branded lists, couldn't find them playing Barrone or Savage, Checked Purrely and couldn't find them either, neither in Unchained, neither in Labrynth, neither in R-ace. The only ones that I could find that summoned Barrone is exactly Snake Eyes. Voiceless Voice does too but they can't get it out consistently as that requires drawing unsearchable cards. Snake Eyes was the only deck making consistent use of it. If snake eyes was hit no meta decks would've been playing them.
Barrone was not the only option you're right....savage was an option but we know what happened there.
Rogue*. Rouge is a color.
I wasn’t aware of the Twitter thread, but here’s my nuclear hot take.
Pendulums can come back to full power, no link restrictions.
I’ve talked about this at length before on Reddit, but to give the not essay length version of some of my points…
Lack of recursion from the ED, pendulum monsters basically have zero ways to come back from the ED to your hand unless we talk about all of… 6 or so cards. I’ll spare you that list for the moment.
Somewhat connected to the previous point, a lack of special summons outside the pendulum summon, aka, extenders. Effectively putting you in a perpetual catch 22 of asking yourself if you want to use your Pend summon to make a link monster and not be able to make use of the arrows, or summon whatever monster from your ED and your hand to do other plays. Which leads into-
Easy counter play for your opponent. You effectively bottleneck yourself twice, your whole turn usually revolves around your pend summon, so any opponent worth their salt is gonna target your scales or your link monster, with the grind game implications of investing 4 cards every turn to summon 2. A terrible trade.
And the one thing I ALWAYS hear when I bring this up…
Pendulums having infinite material to make extra deck monsters. Yes, this is true, but put a nice, big fat asterisk in that. A hard once per turn summon of theoretically 6 monsters. (That instantly explodes to any solemn card) Yes, that’s a lot of materials. But it’s once. Almost any half competent deck can drop something like 10+ bodies in a turn, so let’s not pretend like pendulums are unique in that regard. So can we please stop pretending pendulum is this black hole of game balance???
I could go into WAAAAAY more detail, but I’ll stop here.
Free the pendulum Konami, let me pendulum summon 6 from the ED, you cowards.
If you’re still here reading this, I just wanna talk briefly about an anecdotal experience I have while just playing pends. I was watching a branded player just kinda go off because he beat me in the grind game, and all I had left on the field was really just a single odd-eyes persona and my scales, and I just felt this unbridled envy as he went off, summoning 6 fusion monsters with materials from his deck, grave, shuffling back FROM the grave, and finally just had this nice fat board, and I realized, this dude can summon all these monsters, but i can’t summon glorified main deck monsters? Nah, this limitation is absolute nonsense.
I like the idea as a pend player but it would be too much recursion. Imagine you combo off and they nib you while you got no negates then you pend summon all your pend monsters back. That would be too good
Based af and I agree
as a pend enjoyer the problem is they can come back to full power and be fine but it would result in more of the most obnoxious ftks youve ever seen and not more of the pend gameplay we love to see
pend needs some fundamental changes to make it easier to setup and play while also getting new limitations that cut down on the clownworld gameplay that makes pend a little TOO open world
but i fear that time may be passed because a lot of the rules i would adjust are baked into the card text of dozens of pend cards at this point
@@armorparade I agree with this on paper. My only problem is, it’s been 7 years under the link restriction, 4 of them where it was the ONLY other mechanic besides links itself that have to abide by the arrows, and there has been no fundamental reinvention. No generic pendulum extenders to make links, no real changes to built in play style to account for the link restrictions.
So at this point, while I agree in theory, it’s been 7 years, if they haven’t done it yet, they’re not going to. So just give me back my mechanic at this point if you (Konami) can’t be bothered to fix what you gutted and left for dead.
@@armorparadealso, I meant full power as in just pend summon full power, not taking things off the banlist. Which, even then, Supreme Venom can come back to 1 as we’ve seen in master duel. But other than that, idk what exactly you mean.
4:48 i get what he's saying. A 6-10 interuption board from a 1 cards combo is basically a floodgate at that point. Also MOST floodgate users are grindy decks and often wont end up with the same field every game and cant finish you on turn 3, unlike some consistent 1 card combo decks. Both are basically "i played first and if you didn't draw the out, no more fun for you". If floodgates all too good then why is snake-eyes getting more win than stun anti-meta decks.
Better to ban all the flood gates and one card combos that can basically do the same thing. (Or at least all generic boss monsters esp. Appo)
Personally I like skill drain, its the only one of the flood gates I am personally fine with as it doesn't stop special summoning, but it does simplify the game state. I also say this as someone who loves timelords and they die horribly to that card. But honestly nothing less than something like skill drain will demand we have spell and trap removal mained, and honestly I am all for that. At least you can also keep summoning under skill drain so long as the effects that summon are from hand and dont activate on field. While you might hate skill drain and thats perfectly valid, its on another level than the stuff like summon limit and anti spell.
I like when floodgates can be played around, so skill drain is fine as far as floodgates go. Maybe it should be a continuous spell that can only be used at start of MP1.
Hot fucking take: I banned myself from the game. There's no real way to fix it at this point and Konami is going to keep fleecing the TCG sphere harder and harder without ANY backlash. TCG players at this point have grown accustomed to the abuse to the point Konami is just going to get worse.
I've realized the playerbase gets the game is deserves.
Nah I like the tcg as is except I want savage dragon back
Actually, I strongly agree. My wording would have been different but we're thinking more or less the same thing. Unironically playing yugioh should be a meme at this point lol. If you actually like the game as it is rn in any way, you're no better than a league of legends player. Just free yourself at this point. Or don't, it's your life lmao.
Good thing I've never been too engaged with the game before Master Duel. It's just a sad story of how a game just refuses to fix their inherent problems while calling everyone who points them Yugiboomer.
@@wonthangsoop As an ex-LoL player, I'm glad Riot is treating their world like s*** for 5-6 years at this point, because it made me just not feel engaged with the game related to. Almost felt for it again 3 years ago, but ruination's disaster saved me.
Seriously though, Why do you think that Konami blocked the Pendulum video? Pendulums weren't busted because of inconsistency, but the mere concept is incredibly against the game's core identity of tempo vs card advantage, and are just awful design just like Cyberstein.
The thing with rogue decks and generic boss monsters is that since rogue decks are worse, those boss monsters where a higher percentage of the decks power, so they lost more then meta. That said, meta decks used them better, so it kinda balances out
Outside of Snake Eyes there's no other meta deck currently that really makes constant and consistent use of them. At this point they are rogue deck cards.
Late to this hot take, my personal one, i was not a fan of the baronne and savage hit. Not becaude i like them.
I get why they had to get hit, but the reason why i didnt like the hit was cause those two cards recently got reprinted.
ikr, many people who finally got their hands on a copy of savage and baronne from the rarity collection couldn't even use them, me included
The branded take was something else, not only the main deck only uses archetypal monsters and spells, the extra deck by mechanic of Mirrorjade made it so you have to play a large amount of archetypal monsters.
It was so good that you could easily buy the 3 structures + your Aluber, tragedy and branded in red and called it a day. Not a single negate but a ton of disruption.
To me it's one of the biggest hits Konami has ever made in designing an archetype and subjacent support for it.
What was the hottest take in the vid?
Thanks for being charitable with my take. That is what I meant pretty much.
Despite having firmly left the game for a long time now, the goings-on for yugioh are still really fascinating, even the dumpster fire moments.
YuGiOh being fun, what kind of psychopath would think that
You defending branded
I would say mine. Yeah, I should have worded myself better, but I do mean most stuff, how banning floodgates is a very shortsighted solution and that combo is as reliant on blocking plays as stun and stall.
Forgot to say we had become overreliant on handtraps and board breakers to solve problems that were not there 15 years ago, which makes YGO incredibly highrolly.
@@N12015I can see where you are coming from.
A little late but here's my hot take: What are you celebrating? It's only a matter of time before Komoney launches other cards that do the same thing but with a few more steps.
Day 852 waiting for NOT BROKEN support for Venom.
My hottake: Honestly i know we are getting a new card that are more or less a eratta Maxx C but i am gonna say it. I feel honestly Maxx C can come back at 2 or 3 in my opinion. The card is only a problem if the player let it be a problem. There are so many ways to stop the card now and days and even back then. Maxx C is the perfect card to stop you're opponent sins it dosent stop the player form playing the game. The only times you are still summoning cards after Maxx C is used is either becaush you can beat you're opponent that turn with no problem or you can try to deck out you're opponent and stat Maxx C race. Maxx C has been hated for so long and there are waaaay worse card than C plus Maxx C is a doubleedge sword. Sure it can be a benefit for you but it can also be the thing that make you lose the game. So i fell in my opinion considering we are to fast game now and there are so many card that makes the game unhealthy Maxx C should be allowed to come back to make you're opponent or you to think if you still wanna continiue summoning.
That is my hot take and my own opinion.
Maxx c is cancer. Forces every deck to play it and counters to it since it can auto win smh.very unbalanced. the ocg uses hard drugs and they are not well.😢
God I hope Multchummy replaces Maxx C
Its probably get banned too.
I don t get why people hype this card. Its just Maxx C but only good in Game 2-3
How did that make it any more fair or interactive?
The Community already agreed that Maxx sucks so why reuse the same bad idea?
@@satoutatsuhiro866Weaker, doesn't draw you more than 3 cards usually, can actually be played around, can only be used by going second player.
@@satoutatsuhiro866maxx c is stronger than GGraceful Charity..
Keep dreaming, dude.
Floodgates should be continous spells and restrict you from activating them if you already broke its rules yourself.
Also I would like some more interesting limitations. Most just say "I win you the game or do nothing"
Anti-spell fragrance would actually be a great example of a good floodgate if the game would last more than 3 turns and restricted your spelluse on turn1 as well.
The changes were fine, but it wasn't enough. Pure Snake eye is still tier 0 and rogue decks just got worse. Limit poplar and flamburge dragon and wanted. Limit Lo and preprep. Free Luna light tiger, mermaid, drident, master plan, barrage. Ban Apollousa, IP, runick fountain, did i mention ban sanctifier? Ban crimson dragon, ban runick fountain, and lastly ban runick fountain.
my take is that if cards get nerfed by erratas I wish that they would get buffed more by erratas as well, especially those who were taken out of the meta by being over-nerfed
10:49 almost screamed at work! Too funny
People who says colossus should be at 3 NEVER had to deal with a board of double colossus.
He probably did. He probably also played a deck that doesn't care about it. Or played superpoly. "Just draw the out 4head"
7:54 Colossus is based.
Easy to summon, toxic 1 sided floodgate, immune to most removal. My only issue is that its locked to thunder monsters.
It should have been generic so even Konami could not defend it anymore.
Time tearing morganite is the perfect 'I have a gift for you' card. The 'you' being the opponent. I can draw 2 every time it's my draw phase, normal summon twice every one of my main phases, but CANNOT play any hand traps ever. Basically it's the 'let's see who's combo is faster challenge.'😂😅 Thunder Dragon Colossus, Droll and Lockbird and Ash Blossom & joyous spring don't matter as this card alters 2 of a player's turn phases and do NOT add any thing from deck to hand. Dark Bribe and Solemns are the best response to this card.
Hot take:
While I'm fine with the Baronne ban, Savage was pretty clearly only banned to protect Snake-Eyes.
Reasoning:
Savage is a card that has been in every meta deck in previous formats, yes, but that was usually because of other problem cards like Halq, Linkross and Auroradon when those were legal, enabling a whole other form of "why do I play this game?"
Savage actually isn't as generic as he looks. While the materials are generic, his omni-negate isn't live immediately like Baronne. You have to have a Link monster in GY to determine how strong Savage becomes, which means it is incredibly hard to use him to stop Nib as you do have to go through a whole other summon mechanic. Not every deck that plays Synchros plays Links, and vice versa.
The reason he was so powerful in Snake-Eyes was that they could use him to force you to Nib early while Flamberge Dragon was on board, so you trigger Flamberge for them.
The defacto deck to use him up until he got banned, was DLink, a deck he was designed to be used in. Yes, he is Rokket support, but in the anime, Varis/Revolver's deck is functionally a version of Dragon Link. Any other deck that I saw use him was either something you'd see at table 500, a meta deck during a format with some of the most problematic cards ever created or a deck that is problematic on its own.
TL;DR
Savage is typically played in the deck he was designed for. The problem cards made him too broken.
Wind up carrier zenmaity should go to 3 in the tcg. Absolutely no reason to have it on the list whatsoever.
Hot Take: Ban everything. Everyone will be happy. Everyone will be mad. Perfectly balanced as all things should be.
Or unban everything and watch chaos ensue MUAHAHAH.
Idk why people think some chaotic edgy joker shit is gonna happen. It’s just be a very simple FTK with no interaction. That’s gonna be the best take
@@BreadBoyWeeb well firstly it’s just a joke. Secondly no it really wouldn’t. Yes there would be an increased amount of FTKs but decks like Tear and Snake-Eyes would be the most dominant. Also hopefully this didn’t come off as rude.
@@Lugiamasterbrony I’m not sure. While tear would be represented why spend a turn and a half to win when you can win turn 1? I guess if you don’t win the coin flip but if you don’t win the coin flip in a no ban list tournament you are prob gonna lose no matter what. Apologies if I came off rude in the previous response
@@BreadBoyWeeb Don’t worry ya didn’t come off as rude to me. You do have a point but the OCG has done a few No banlist tournaments and Tear has seemed to have been the most powerful as well as other Tier 0 decks. FTKs were in the events for sure though. Not sure if they still do them though but you can look up OCG no banlist tournament on RUclips.
I think that all Boss Monsters that are part of a series should be given a Goyo Guardian type errata to fit the series. Not make it archetype specific, but keep it in theme.
Barronne should require a Warrior, Plant, or Machine monster as material.
Savage Dragon should require a DARK or Dragon as material
Verte should require DARK or Plant as material.
I think this because there are now so many cards in the game that we legitimately don't need any more 2 material card bosses.
What's the point of the lore and themes if you make it have no impact on gameplay?
And when I say "there are so many cards that we don't need any more 2 mat bosses," I really mean it.
Now that Rutkalos was printed, there's at least one Fusion Monster in every Attribute(except Divine) that negates card effects
There's a Ritual Monster in every Attribute that negates effects.
There's a Synchro in every Attribute that negates effects.
There's an Xyz in every Attribute that negates effects.
My lukewarm take was that savage did not need to get banned. It was a non Destruction negate that required a link in the graveyard to be live and only had the negate if it was synchro summoned. Baronne is a negate and destroy with no setup needed, a pop, and a generic floating effect that allowed you to summon her next turn. Apollousa and baronne have far more in common than savage especially as savage cannot even play around Nibiru and unlike apollousa can only negate 1 handtrap per turn which by the time you would summon him would have probably already been used. You can argue dragon link but dragon link will always be a problem not because of the boss monsters but the extenders and combo makers.
2:26 Nibiru becomes a garnet under mask of restrict, is banished unresolved by debunk or just blocked by solemns or rendered moot by building a viable end board in 4 or less summons. Nibiru has a lot of weaknesses and these weaknesses bite it harder when a player runs 3 Nibiru per deck. Early mask of restrict; enjoy 3 garnets when you draw them. Summoning less than 5 times per turn; ugh why did i even put this card in here? Counter traps; congratulations on wasting a resource. There are probably more weaknesses than i have mentioned all of which can be exploited without being considered broken enough to be banned themselves. Nibiru players would need to run discard for cost cards or multiple trade ins to get rid of Nibiru in these situations before Nibiru can be countered.
That first hot take was completely wrong. I played branded 4 2 years and they have a total of 4 negates with a heavy restriction on each one. 1) tri-brigade merc, a monster negate as long as you have an albaz fusion on your field. This one is the easiest one to use. 2) Branded retribution, a spell, trap, monster negate but only on cards that summon monsters and you have to shuffle back an abalz fusion you control or 2 albaz fusions in you gy. Also exclusively used for its gy effect. 3) Rindbrum, a fusion monsters that negates extra deck monsters only. I honestly wished it was merc on legs and stopped mosters effects in general however i just use it for its gy effect. 4) Brigthest, Blazing, Branded king is a trap that can negate the entire field but you have to have an albaz fusion to target that will keep its effects active. This card is double edge because you might want to keep other cards active like branded lost, quem, or cartisia for effect on your opponents turn. If branded want a onmi negate the have to use the adventure engine or play red-eyes dark dragoon.
I can understand the feelings of the "ban Nib" guy tbh. Some decks quite simply cannot play through it, and although you could argue the game would be better without some of those decks that do some pretty degenerate things (e.g. those HERO end boards with Dark Angel, Dark Law and Rivalry), it would be nice if the staple that is played everywhere by everyone didn't absolutely body them. Same logic as with D. Barrier and Shifter (which I also want gone).
And if the combo piles were to lose their end board pieces and could no longer produce unbreakable board states, I too would like Nibiru gone. For now though, we need it.
I mean graceful makes sense because in a landscape where max c. Exist you don't want. Him to inward draw graceful charity one day of peace and pot of greed in the middle of a first turn play
Let’s be honest.
When’s the last time the banlist made a significant impression on the game?
Literally like a week ago, the 4 bans are massive
Last one. The one that banned Ariseheart, the one that hit purrely , the one that limited all the tear names and banned kitkalos
Ariseheart ban literally birthed the most diverse format before Phantom Nightmare. You had pro players complaining how diverse it was.
6:00 Prom-princess is really cool but a horrible example of good Type/Attribute... lock cards as she only need 1 Fire in Grave to be used to maximum efficiency.
People play Prom-princess together with a Water link monster just because they feel like it. Great "restriction to Fire monsters".
One last thing bate the effect I did that on duel for over 5 plays. For him to just wait it out like a toxic POS
Honestly the banned kuriboh about 4 days before I completed my kuriboh now. Running amiraj because I geuss or link spider which aren't good besides handing me a different name. Or. Keeping a negate up in a deck I barely see opponents boarding to attack threw
Honestly I was so excited to play speedroid once again since terrortop is at three but sadly baron got hit and was one of the best wind synchros to go into. So know I’m trying dropping the kashtera engin to try out wind witches with speedroids to go into crystal wing before becoming vulnerable to nib. Best part all the cards are searchable with wind Chanler.
I just want them to ban Barrone and Maxx C on Master Duel.
10:42 Easily the hottest take in this video.
I quit in real life YU-GI-OH play last month before we got a ban list. I sold off my collection minus a few cards. Also most of these takes are wild. I play online only. I mainly play retro formats on Dueling Books 2002-2017. I mainly play commander MTG in real life. Also here's my hot takes: All the dragon rulers to three and limit both Runick Fountain and Runick Tip.
Branded has literally since day 1 played the predaplant fusion that negates (dragostapelia)
His point was Branded is a well designed Deck/Archetype
Predaplants are indeed not Branded cards
Branded is one of the best designed archetypes in the game. Using generic cards is a common thing and even so, branded's ED is almost full of its own in-archetype cards because they're just that good
@@satoutatsuhiro866 rewatch the very beginning of the vid. He argues against branded using generic negates, but they do
@@cooldes4593 Dragostapelia isn't even a very generic negate, it still requires you to specifically go into fusion lines.
plus they specifically say Branded's only endboards are generic negates and pops when that's objectively false, Mirrorjade is summoned over Dragostapelia 99% of the time, and Guardian Chimera is also anything but generic.
@@SammyK-jt3vv idk if you are trolling or not but dragostapelia and guardian chimera are extremely generic. You saying they aren’t because you have to fusion summon them is like baron is generic because you have to synchro summon it, or appo isnt generic because you have to go into link plays.
Also, branded can go into both mirrorjade and dracostapelia. And still guardian chimera your board on your turn. Its not one or the other. They definitely use generic pops and negates
I play in the OCG locals using my pet rogue deck, every few months I see the same generic meta release of new Archetypes and Tier 0 format. Maxx C won't be banned soon yet, because every one is used to it, much like Dimension Shifter, it's here for a reason. The negates tho like that Stupid Horse being around does annoy us players but it's just YGO. If we got a problem with those Omni negates here then we run Solemn strike or Witch's strike. XD
Hahahaha, love the video, I'm the guy who shitted on nib and no, I dont play combo, I play scareclaw but the fear of my oponent just throwing a rock on my board still haunts me 💀
I’m glad you enjoyed it. It was all for some good fun
3:37 That's not necessarily true depending on the deck you're playing. Some decks have extremely tight ED space and even if they can spare the extra slot it's usually going towards something much more versatile. Some decks also have locks that prevent you from just linking the monster off, such as branded. Honestly mermaid can come back but I don't think locks like iblee and the gimmick puppet nightmare lock should be legal, regardless of how much meta presence they end up having.
I'd love if someone can define "toxic" in this context.
Spoiler: They can't.
That's gonna be quite difficult tbh.
Something that prevents any interaction, is unbeatable, abuses certain mechanics to an extreme extent, stuff along those lines.
I dont think toxic is the right word for it.
They're "Toxic" in the way they cause issues across the entire game. Like a plague. Ruining a player's ability to interact with their opponent and their own deck, grave, hand, or extra is extremely lack luster game design. Let alone when meta decks can abuse these stapples EASILY and consistently while rogue decks can, to far FAR lesser play. This includes hand trap safety.
They can't, because it would force them to recognize their gameplay also has said elements. Almost as if YGO was just an unfixable mess.
@@N12015 if this is another "people hate stun, but like playing combo" crap then I will stop you. Yes ending on unbreakable boards is toxic, no most people don't like playing against said boards and it doesn't make Gozen, rivalry, TCBOO any less toxic.
I have 2 things I would like changed
First unlimit the exodus pieces it doesn’t make sense sure immediate wins would be more common but it’s already one in over 6,000 but it balances out more since the extra bricks makes it more difficult to FTK since less draw cards can be activated
Second baronne should have archetypal retrains not of the fluer archetype take some of the the lower decks like swordsoul or zombies and make versions of the card that work more exclusively with them (like a wyrm or zombie tuner) give the support to the decks that used them as a part of the end board rather than the end board (also a hard once per turn)
How do you errata Last Turn? The only real thing it needs to match PSCT is to specify that the victory condition which the OCG already does. "During the End Phase of this turn, if only one player controls a monster, that player wins the duel. Otherwise, the result is a Draw." That's all you need to do. Every other question is already answered on the card itself.
I miss when Superheavy Samurai kept to themselves and weren't just an engine to vomit out generic omni-negates.
Why do people keep saying that every meta deck plays baronne and savage? The top 5 decks pre-banlist were Pure Snake-Eye, Fire King Snake-Eye, Voiceless Voice, Branded, and Kashtira. Only 3 played baronne and only 1 out of the 3 abused the card/prioritized getting her out as soon as possible.
Because they're Yugioh players which means they walk around with a permanent intelligence debuff.
@@roachybill The recent history of decks playing both starts and ends with Snake-Eyes which is a problem in itself. Generics are being scapegoated. Simple as that.
@@roachybill It is more accurate to say that 1/5 abused generic cards so much that they prioritized them, while the other 2/5 played her as more of a tech if anything. Pure Snake-Eye and Fire King Snake Eye took up a majority of all top cuts. 1 was abusing baronne and savage the other wasn’t. Behind them are VV and Branded, 1 played the card but not emphasized and the other didn’t play anything but fusions. Lastly Kash which did play her but usually didn’t front load her onto the board going first.
I am not talking about those previous formats, I am talking about this tier 0 format where only 1/5 of the best decks abused baronne, savage and Kuri.
Yes…and? What’s your point? Correct some decks don’t emphasize certain cards as much as other decks. For example…
Endymion uses Selene more than any other deck. They go through like 2-3 of them.
@@roachybillIn the case of Kashtira they have to give up a monster (usually a form of interruption) and an unsearchable ghost girl card (which is another form of interruption) giving up two forms of interruption to make a strong but singular form of interruption honestly is more fair compared to how most decks make Barrone. VV also is just very clunky in summoning Barrone too to where it can't do it consistently. Banning Barrone doesn't change the power of these decks at all to where you can't really say they're "making use" when it's very occasional.
Historically speaking yes, those cards in further past formats did see use in a lot of meta decks. Id agree and wouldn't mind if they got banned then but now when most meta decks either don't summon it or do so consistently outside of rogue decks? I can't say I agree with that.
Also if Baronne and savage were to get an errata. The most sensible change would be a Synchron tuner for baronne and a dragon tuner for savage. This way you can make the cards more exclusive without making them to exclusive.
Needlefiber would have been fine if it was locked into its own archetype
Except it wasn't meant to be locked to crystrons, it was meant to make Synchros playable in MR4. But it should give u Synchro lock for the rest of the turn when u use its effect.
i belive things need to be more archetype focused, its sad and boring to see such fun themes like adamancipator "you excavate the earth (the deck) in search of your monsters" , to just VOMIT the same extra deck monster's. generics needs to stop , or just be bad , like Z-Arc level's of bad. and for cards to be more archetype locked , like red-eyes dark dragoon.so each deck/archetype has its up's and down's and be more up to the skill's of the player and how he deals with the outcomes instead of the "draw the out" and thx to bow goddess BS pendulums will never have a chance to shine. (pendulums were never broken,shockmaster was, a XYZ card.)
I'm a swordsoul player myself and I was sad when they banned Baronne but I replaced her with the rank 10 Icejade monster. She looked fun.
She's a good alternative. Switched her in over chengyeng for mannadium in master duel
Can someone please explain to the whole branded player base thingy? because I have never once encountered or even heard from an example of branded players behaving bad. but people who "hate", for lack of a better word, on branded for the most absurde reasons are everywhere.
As a branded hater I just hate the amount of GY recursion they have and the Mirrorjade end phase effect pisses me off.
@@Honest_Mids_Masheri hate just because its just boring to play against.
@@UMAtronic That too tbh
Honestly suprised nobody else employed the "shameless plug" tactic.
Not all of us see someone requesting hot takes and then think "A shameless plug is a good idea" 💀
@@Honest_Mids_Masher I am merely built different
@@NotControlledByMillipedes Incredibly different
Heres my hot take: Bring back Pot of Greed to one but give it a "This card can only be activated once per Duel" errata.
no. This doesnt make yugioh any better. This just makes it a luck fest whoever draws POG gets a huge bonus for no reason. Seems like an unfun way to play imo
Floodgates and Maxx "c" 100% need to be banned, and not just for combo decks to not be oppressed. Konami won't print good control/backrow cards/decks because they inherently have an easier time abusing floodgates and don't care or care much less about Maxx "c". Ban the floodgates and the roach and the next control deck will have to be made strong enough to stand on its own.
MAKE MORE POWERFUL TRAP CARDS
Darma cannon is such a good card they should really print more stuff on that level (and some better trap holes for traptrix)
Make trap hole cards that have on field effects and effects in grave for interruption, give them a way to go second when the opponent has an established board like idk a card that makes it so every monster on the field is treated as if it was summoned that turn.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SAYING THIS. Yugioh barely has any good( in design) control strategies like snake-eyes is legit a control strategy but thanks to konamis excessive need to make generic crazy bosses its a control deck with too many ways to OTK or get out a unbreakable field. Same with floodgates I won’t say anything though cause you basically summed it up for me
Oh yea and Konami also decided to make a great control Strat that can be played with ANOTHER TIER 0 DECK THATS DOMINATING THE META I swear Konami needs to put more restrictions on cards, yes it’s fun to play a bunch of stuff together but for that to be balanced the cards that can be played together shouldn’t be crazy strong by themselves. Also what they make playable together is weird like with the recent lore archetypes the visas lore it’s hard to play a deck that uses them all cause 2 of the 5 archetypes have some restriction that locks you out of playing the other strategies , the first archetype being scareclaw which boss monsters second effect locks you into scareclaws even though its effect is mid(also I love scareclaw it’s one of the only good designed control decks yet isn’t appreciated cause it’s not crazy OP) and kashtia rise heart with theosis, which I agree with theosis( and even with it’s restriction all you gotta do is be smart about using it and your good) but rise heart? Why strip related cards of synergy then turn around and allow snake eyes and fire king to be played together it makes you wonder what the hell the the people at Konami are thinking. long story short: how do lore related decks always have restrictions that stop them from being played together yet Konami do things like the year of fire where all fire strats can be played together?
@@Honest_Mids_MasherNo. Trap cards don’t need a million effects.
Master duel:How that affect me?😎😎😎😎
My answer would be NERF CARD ADVANTAGE. TWEAK STARTING HAND SIZE TO 1 or ZERO.
the remaining zoodiac,dragon ruler,tearlament and master plan could be taken off the list tomorrow and besides tear they wouldn't effect the current meta much is at all and even then the only real reason tear was so good was because of agido and kelbek
Jet should have been banned instead of Baronne and Savage. Linkuriboh could go either way. Snake-Eyes would have to sink actual resources into making synchros if their tuner had to be Flamvell Guard instead of the card that always represents two materials.
Yeah.....as much as I hate to say it I think I would prefer that option despite it killing my main deck.
Barrone and savage didn’t purely get banned cause snake eyes ,yes they did play a part in them getting banned but people have been complaining about these cards way before snake-eyes came out for how generic they were also jet snychron isn’t really allat it’s only played in snake eyes and (a few) synchro decks because it fits a specific role that supports them while baronne and savage were played in EVERYTHING becuase they were so easy to get out and didn’t need to fit any roles to be added to a deck. When banning things you can’t just say ban so and so cause it helps a good deck you have to look at a bigger picture baronne and savage were toxic cards used to make crazy unfair boards that made the game unfun while jet is just a monster that probably won’t even see play anymore in snake-eyes unless it’s to get formula synchron out for a draw
@@weeabooproductions2196 Jet synchron is still seeing use..... it's just that instead of Barrone and savage it's now dis pater and Omega getting rid of two cards from your hand before you've even had your turn.
@@Honest_Mids_Masher mb I was slightly wrong but the thing is you gotta use 5 monsters to do this when I would argue it’s just better to play snake eyes how it’s intended at that point as you can play negates non targeting destruction and other things and its random cards meaning that it’s not always gonna shut down the opponent(I’m not declining that that it’s good though) it would just be better to strengthen your board and backrow in a meaningful way then use 5 cards to rip 2 random cards( also dis parter is just overrated this is literally the best application I’ve heard for it lol)
@@weeabooproductions2196 Hey, I'm not the guy that does that stuff lmao that's just what others have decided to do. As for whether it's better or not that remains to be seen by how it performs I never cared enough about Snake eyes to study how big then investments of their resources are. Also yeah dis pater and omega for the double handrip is cheesy AF especially when you realize that omega's handrip turns on dis pater's negate. It's always been a turn 1 play in my synchron deck to rip cards like superpoly out of my opponent's hand. (Truly peak Yu-Gi-Oh)
i didnt see the twitter thread but heres some of mine.
personally i didnt mind that baronne was a generic synchro boss monster, my issue with it was that it wasnt locked into synchro focused decks, like a deck like kash which most the time will xyz lock themselves runs baronne cause like 20% of the time they can make it.
baronne being a single omni was never my problem with it, its how splashable it is. i dont know how much it would affect things but i would have loved to see the what could have happened if in order to summon baronne, you could only synchro summon for that turn. also never really liked the idea of 'just make it require a fluer' cause it feels like the same as 'just give every archetype a baronne' but in the opposite direction.
people asking for shifter's ban dont really seem to get the real reason it should be banned. a two turn denial of the GY as a handtrap is strong, but imo thats fine. whats not fine is how it turns off cards that have to send cards specifically to the GY as cost.
and while we talking about macro cosmos style effects, ariseheart was perfectly fair as a card. the thing that was hard caryying kash were things like 3 shifter and 3 prosp.
Lmao I'll take the disagree though I wish I went a bit in further on why I said it. Basically the previous format to the banlist was one where outside of exactly Snake Eyes no meta decks were making a large use of Barrone or Savage. Branded wasn't, Labrynth Wasn't, VV doesn't constantly summon it, Tenpai isn't, R-Ace Diabellestar isn't, unchained isn't, purrely isn't, FK SE and Pure FK ain't either. If we're talking a couple of formats ago though where every deck was all about negate fests then yeah I'd be first in line for banning them but they've been falling out of favour for a while now pre snake eyes.
Hit Snake eyes and suddenly everything is archetypal or locked into other summoning mechanics. Decks lately have been moving away from negate fests for a while now previously to snake eyes as well and yes I'm a combo player so I'm probably (ok definitely) biased so I definitely would like these cards to stay.
While sure there's the off chance that a new meta deck may use them again it either won't be a tier 0 deck that's problematic enough to ban them or the deck itself is the more problematic.Even now Snake Eyes is going for handripping as a strat with dis pater and omega and I have no doubt the SE cards itself will get hit anyways so you cant really say that Barrone and savage were the main problems with that deck.
Also I never expected I'd be in a RUclips video so that's a first. Thanks for reading and the reply (also yeah that's probably the only hot take I have for the game)
It's really funny how people don't recognize in a game like Yugioh where power creep is endless how potent simply not supporting an archetype or card can be. Spright seemed like it would never not be meta even with Elf banned but you don't hear anyone talking about it now when level/rank 2s have been purposefully designed to not really play into their gameplan or not printed at all in favor of other shilled attributes. Jet Synchron being summonable by Snake-Eyes is an engine problem because that engine has a fucking E-Tele for it, level 1s to make Formula, and a level 8 boss monster to synch with it. That takes a lot of specificity to be "generically toxic". Same for Mannadium or Infernoble, previous synchro combo decks that gave Baronne most of her play last year to not much success.
I love appulosa. Great to contact fuse or kaiju
Good music choice!
Eyo, Ultrakill music.
They really could have brought Colossus back at 3, snake eyes treats it like a speed bump, 3 of them won't do much else
If there's another one of these:
Casuals NEED to gatekeep people using obviously meta decks. I know this seems a bit broad of an ask, and it definitely does depend on where you are; But the fact that if someone were to just bring a top tier deck to a locals that are playing lower tier decks, they end up suffering against that deck because this game has devolved into a game of Raw Effects and Numbers. I just want Casuals to have a real space to have fun in and Konami makes it more and more apparent that they don't care about really making a space for them.
Also Tiger to 3 man.
I think branded is a good archetype, however I agree that it is one of the most boring fusion-based archetype decks these days, not because the boards it makes are toxic but simply for the fact that it is a deck that I see constantly from when I started playing yu gi oh again, without considering the fact that he randomly continues to receive support that he doesn't need to be competitive
Protos is such a toxic card
This game just needs a general rule change to give players quadruple starting life. Negates, floodgates, huge draw power, etc. aren't the issue. Dying in 1 turn is. While were at it, make all level 4 or lower normal monsters special summon from hand for free and 5 or higher normal without tributing. Finally, Give Pends master rule 3 pend summoning. Lord knows they need it.
As a Shark enjoyer, and Branded hater, the first take is on point. For as many different support cards as Branded has, and how many different fusions they can use, 95% of duels just become MirrorJade Turbo. If you can stop the fusion, you win. If you cant, you lose. Its super boring
Same
Rexterm is the most balanced and coolest monster floodgate of the game.
Hot take: droll needed the ban
The errata on Fortune Lady Light was completely unnecessary and probably a personal attack against me. Who other than me play's Fortune Lady? That card did nothing to anyone.
As a branded player I wish sanc gets banned.
Only then hating on Branded won't be justifiable
Savage was a fine card because it required a few steps that made it too slow for the average deck to use. Snake-eyes being able to play past literally everything made it broken.
Baronne I care a lot less about. Since it was just an easy card any deck that can count to ten with a tuner can make.
4:26 Man needs to learn some Dinomorphia...
This guy really just showed Rindrumm a picture and said "They have no single negate". Even as a person who only plays Branded in the first wave (Red, Chimera, and re-summon Mirrorjade with Ad Libitum), I know this has a negate and non-target bounce. I think the most annoying thing about Branded is their ability to board wipe but also have a crazy recovery effect. YGO players always only antagonize "negate" as the only bad thing in YGO. But doing too many things is also problematic. The only thing that makes Branded seem fair is that we are still in the format where generic good bosses exist. So, non-generic bosses should be "overtuned" to become equal to those generic good bosses. Mirrorjade for example, has the best removal in the game, non-target banish, and board wipe in EP if you accidentally sneeze and move this card from their main monster zone (this is very devastating, knowing most decks don't have in-engine protection or negates, and you cannot recover anything because it happens on the EP), guarantee backup from the "cost" it uses, and big.
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Also, this guy just said Colossus was okay after he denied the "hypocrisy". I think this is what he means about the hypocrisy. Both of them aren't good for the game. Yes, you can use Impermanance to counter Colossus. But did you know, you can also counter Skill Drain if you draw Cosmis or Lightning Storm? If the other card is okay if you coincidentally draw a specific card, why the other card is not okay when you can counter this card?
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Just because it is not a negate, doesn't mean this is fair. The virus is not negate and has a real cost (unlike that deck, the cost is searching new card in the EP). But this is unfair. I think if the number of disruptions is equal to or more than the cards in the opponent's hand. How do you think this is fair? I think 1-2 consistent disruptions (from combo) and inconsistent disruptions (good traps or hand traps) are enough to make a fair and fun game. With a lot of disruptions from modern decks today. You can really play the game unless you draw specific non-engine.
Floodgates being banned is actually terrible for the game. Floodgates actually keep the degenerate nonsense at bay.
You act like floodgates aren't degenerate by themselves 💀
i feel like there really should be traditional format events and having it more supported so the sickos could play that and understand why we have a ban list at all bc all of these cards at even one copy is a recipe for disaster and a lot of ftks, it would give excuse for Konami to reprint some of these bs banned cards that haven't been printed in eons like pot of greed or graceful charity
On the nib segment, you say nib is one of the few hand traps that can check combo decks, well withiut omni negates there is no combo decks to check. What are they gonna do make crystalwing and red dragon archfiend abyss? You really cant beat that without nib???
My hot take, the Meta community is toxic in the brain and are major reason most new people stay away, the negativity is too dense
Bro im k whit banning gneneric boss monsters but What about the deck that dont fk have decent boss monsters How i’m suppose to summon primeheart without my opponet laughing at me ?
This was great
no banlist in yugioh would be absolut chaos onyl 1% of card would be played
I man. Ehh. Colossus and Protos are fine at 1. They've both been legal in Master Duel and they haven't done shit.
I do agree that Protos is a badly designed and oppressive floodgate and probably should be banned for that reason alone. But I think for the Meta in general it won't cause any issues for now.
The only thing I disagree with is when you said "yugi-tubers please stop reacting to my vids" Like what lol it's free exposure bro, that being said I love your content BBW
Ban lists are stupid. Why would they ban powerful cards just to leave even more powerful cards That counter the other cards which can also counter the other cards if played right!? that doesn't make any sense!
I generally rather play against fire king snake eyes and pure snake eyes all day long, then play against any kind of ibly deck for a single turn. Btw if you were only gonna ban 2 out of the 3 omni negates, it should of been bow and borrload. Barone is the weakness and only has one fucking omni negate. I am personally fine with it and btw it's not better to go into over one of your Sword soul monsters. Yes I main sword soul and do pretty well the deck.
That’s nonsense. Baronne is the worst of the 3 due to how easy you can go into her. Unlike the other 2 you can also keep summoning her back every turn or just pop something every turn.
Card is way overtuned.
@@arrownoir and borrload and apo aren't any easier to go into either lol
@arrownoir my dude, you are seriously drinking the borrone coollaid. It's easily the worst of the 3. He'll savage has more negates and is just as easy to Summon. In fact, it's way easier to go into savage because it's a level 8. Borrone van easily be played around with its measly 1 negate. If you wanna use it's negate again, after you used it on your opponents turn, you have to send it back the extra deck on your turn, and use more resources just to bring it out again. Yes being able to destroy a card one per turn is nice yes, but that doesn't much unless your getting rid of a flood gate or a key card. However I think your missing the fact that the game is so fast and that every deck either a crazy amount resources that can allow your monster to dodge or just come back into the game. In that statement, borrone doesn't do nearly enough in the meta. Sorry but in comparison, borrone is just to slow compared to savage and apo. He'll I play borrone in my sword soul deck for the last 2 years, and I almost never opponents to make it over long and chain, cause they just so much more then borrone and also push your deck forward.
@@darkherosolidox Is that why she sees more play than the others?
@arrownoir that doesn't in reality make her better. You should know this by now casual
We should go back to toolbox era of Yugioh.
Nobody made a take about yu gi oh should implement rotation
Magnet Warrior is so bad it only summons 4 times per turn so I love nib
Branded doesnt enough credit for it's toxicity summon? Banish. End board? Pop. Mixes with 3 top tier decks at least, c'mon. Cmooon.
Konami can you please unban tye starving venom archtype its not its own fault that its banned instead bad the lunalight monster that causes it also don't forget to stop milking us Europeans and americans for money because no, we do not care about your greed, please allow italian cards
Chaos ruler can come back
I can empathize with the floodgate take, but the argument that the opponent was going to make an equally degenerate board is kind of dumb. If I'm using Skill Drain, I'm flipping it up asap. What? Are you _not_ going to use the card when you see the opponent play a deck you deem is fair and fun?