I have the Meteor 65 and Mobula 6 19K and 25K models and flew them all a lot and recommend the Mobula 6. It cost $25 less and comes with 3 more batteries, is 3 grams lighter 20g vs 23g (15%), longer range when I tested them outside 260 meters vs 215 meters, The Mobula 6 holds up better, two of the hoops and canopy broke on the Meteor and nothing has broke yet on the Mobula 6. The thrust for the Meteor 65 and Mobula 6 25K are about the same at 95g the better connector on the Meteor equal the power of 25K motors of the Mobula. The 19K model of the Mobula 6 had 74 grams of thrust. The speed of the Mobula 6 is faster and you can get a lot higher camera angle on the Mobula 6 for longer courses. I would rate the cameras the same. The Mobula 6 is a better camera but it does give jello every so often. If you are only flying on a small inside course the 19K models is the way to go with longer flight times. If you want to push it hard outside the Mobula 6 25K is amazing it flies like a 5" lol. The problem with the Mobula 6 is they are sold out everywhere. John from Chicago
Great review.. thanks very much. Im live north of you in canada so our whoop season is quite a bit longer than yours... i got the mobulus 6 and absolutely love it. 19000kv. Not sure i need the extra power in the house.
Hey - you should try the 48 kHz filter on the escs from Joe Lucid. It increased my flight time on 19kv mobula6 from 4:15 to 5:30 (down to 3.0 V, resting Voltage went to 3.4). I think this mod significantly helps the higher kV motors (like meteor65 with 22k or mobula6 25k). The mobula6 25k started at about 2:00 of flight time and people now get 4 minutes with the 48 kHz update. Just some points, I think you also did a video on the entire rpm filtering thing but just the 48 kHz mod is huge for these high rpm tiny whoops.
@@adobedoug2564 You do realize that Joe Lucid is responsible for 8 or 9 features in BL_HELI_S, right? Without him you'd be stuck. Though in principle I'm not a huge fan of extending open source like that and charging for it.
fprintf do you get paid for the work you do? Of course you do. Why shouldn’t he get paid for the creation of his added value. We might not have it at all otherwise. As someone who has designed a lot of hardware and written a lot of code over the years for both pay and open source products, I have absolutely nothing to show for the open source contributions. Not even attribution most of the time. As long as the price is commensurate with the added value of the work and if it isn’t worth what he charges then no one will buy it and no one is hurt.
@@wingspinner210 I think your comment is a bit misdirected. You would be directing it to @adobe doug instead, which is who I was replying to. I really appreciate the work Joe Lucid has done, I'm just not sure doing it the way he has is the right way. You might guess from my username here that I also have contributed to open source, though I don't mind that I got no income or attribution from it because I did it for fun. Just like I don't get paid for making comments on here or Slashdot or Reddit.
I'm glad you posted this. Mobula 6 is a wonderful Whoop. Camera is also amazing for what it is. IMO It's the the best 1s Whoop to date. Also you should consider amending this video or do a tutorial on upgraded the ESC FW. JL recently introduced an ESC 48khz FW and It probably has a more significant performance gain that that of BT 2.0 and its just a Software Upgrade easy peazy. I increased my flight times by at least 30% with the 25kv version. Not to mention upgrading to BF 4.1.x also made a significant improvement in the way it flies.
As some one who grew up with the +snap+ +crackle+ +hiss+ of vinyl records, CDs where such a relief. Utter silence between songs, perfect to my imperfect human ears.
Great review. I enjoyed. I like the fact that Mr. Nick Burns is also watched by my other fpv RUclips mentor. Between you two guys, it has manifested my love for FPV. Reviews from honest like-minded vets of the fpv world is why I keep watching both you guys. Keep em coming. I just wished I could contribute to you guys Patreons at the time, but soon maybe.
I just ordered the Mobula 6 for my first FPV drone and I can't wait to get it! I also ordered a few upgraded parts for it you recomended on your FPV shopping list like the better battery connector and batteries.
I have the 19k mobula 6. Absolutely love it. I am new to quads and crashed it all over my house. Looks fresh out of the box still. Tip: take 4 soft foam ear plugs, cut the tips off about 1/4 inch, lightly hot glue them under the motors. Now you are not slamming your battery on the ground. The foam is very light weight too. I haven't noticed any real difference in flight time.
So far over 100 packs in with my mob6 and no issues which I’m pleasantly surprised by. I went 19k kv for indoors and agree with your thoughts completely.
Comparison doesn’t make sense indeed 😉. I love vinyl, airplay and brushless. Vinyl is sacred though. I didn’t have CD‘s for long but still collect vinyls! Vinyl sound is definitely better, there is just something real and live about them... (I am 40) Brushed has none of those benefits. I love my Mobula 6! I also have a Beebrain Lite Mockingbird Edition but having turtle mode, more power and better camera rocks!🤘🏻😈🤘🏻
Lowe-Tech FpvWannabe No it is exactly the other way around; vinyl hasn’t added anything. I am not an audiophile or anything but there is just a raw, original even dirty quality to vinyl. I bought all my favourite bands, limited edition vinyls, from my youth again. Nirvana unplugged, Pearl Jam’s Ten, Mad Season etc. It would not be the same having those on a server or CD. For me it is more an emotional and yes nostalgic thing. But flying FPV brushed cause you feel nostalgic? Not the same thing. Anyway Josh used it tongue in cheek anyway so what ever music format blows your hair back! Lol 😂
JESC gave my Meteor65 2200kv up to 80 secs more flight time! I kept my BF 4.1.1 the same, and changed from BLHELI to JESC. Went from flying 1:40mins to over 3mins, I could not be happier!
Thanks for the review! Good stuff, as always. I can't wait to get my hands on my Mobula6, finally shipped today, was out of stock since I ordered it in December. Definitely will look into it, but just looking at your footage ... damn son, flying a tinywhoop outside like that... that's just crazy! It's awesome where our hobby has gone in just the past few years!
Here i am staring at my front door, hoping the mobula7 i ordered back in December shows up today. As you chuck yours across the room. Breaking my heart Bardwell.
Same here, got it yesterday. It is my first drone so it took me about 6h to understand all the receiver and betaflight adjustments. Had to use an older Version of Betaflight to get it it to work. Bad weather so i only could test 1S till now. Flies like a charme.
Hi Joshua, queston from a non quad flyer (I fly fixed wing and helicopters). But kids today all seem to want to fly quads. Well I have two nephews who I'm introducing to the hobby. And I'll admit that I think helping a 8 year old to fly a quad that he loves is probably easier than teaching him to fly a fixed wing...that is more fragile and he doesn't really care about. Here's my problem. I know very little about these Tiny Whoops, and or will fly with my (dare I say it DSMX) transmitters. I need something that will have a simple charging plug and that will be fairly robust. Thanks for another great video.
i've been using the meteor65 for about a month non stop. and it has worked amazing. the frame has just now cracked for me. the only thing i would say is that the shell is a little fragile and also the solder joints to the camera and on the board is a little weak and i had to re connect them. but overall i love this little quad and would highly recommend it to anyone.
Thanks for the help...I've been agonizing over which whoop to get for a while now. Also, that shirt is absolutely awesome! Hahahaha wers the rotor riot guys upset??!! Haha
Thanks for the review. I still don't know what to buy. Guess I'll just have to buy them both. Also, I didn't know that about affiliate links. Good to know!
So I have both the meteor and mobula6 and I can say hands down winner has been the mobula. You can use Jesc firmware and have RPM filter that smooths the flight out significantly. If you choose the 48kHz PWM version you get even more flight time. I did swap out the PH2 for BT2 but even on the crappy betafpv 300mAh 1s cells I am getting 4min 50s flight on 19000kv - I also tried the betafpv 22000kv and 17500kv motors from betafpv and the 19000kv are the sweet spot. I have put my mobula in the new betafpv frame for the meteor and I have put the same runcam nano3 in my meteor. Now I have a meaty-mob and a mobu-meat.
I originally thought that the ph2.0 wears out like others until someone recommended that I clean the pins with deoxit gold contact cleaner and now my ph2.0 is back to normal. I went from 1:30 on the lipos back to 3 minutes. And I’ve tested this on 12 1s nitro nectars and all of them gained this kind of results. Side note, I also cleaned the inside connections of the lipo by lubricating 1 pin at a time and inserting it in the lipo, CAREFULLY.
Thank you Joshua for another informative “more than a” review. Glad you like your Mobula 6, I love mine too. I think the camera is great. Haven’t tried outdoors yet but feel like doing some powerloops now! 🏡🌀🤙🏻
Range wise I haven't had the chance to test mine, I ordered the FlySky variant and in the box was a little bag containing a FS82 RX with a little note saying: "If you are not satisfied with the range of the SPI receiver, please use the external receiver. Plug the pre-solder signal wire to the external receiver." Which is nice, but I have modded my T16 multimodule with a 1000mW 2.4ghz booster...
Indeed vinyl record sound much better than cds or even mp3s. Bear in mind all sounds are actually recorded on a Vinyl, however they are not all recorded on cds and so. Thanks for another great video Mr. Bardwell!
Omg.... I've just got one. Mob 6 25000 kv. Absolutely love it for outdoors at my local park in the UK where everybody seems to think quads are the devil's spawn! Yes battery life is less than two mins flying it like a lunatic especially with Crossfire nano on it. Saved abit of weight swapping the canopy to the Uz65 but I just love how I can really try new acro moves safely, quietly, stealthily and it's ability to take crash after crash is fantastic!
Truth about the happy model quality. The first mobula7 I got burned up as soon as I plugged it in to tune it! Luckily I ordered 2 now have a parts copter. Pretty expensive for parts. That being said the Mobula7 is pretty fun to fly!
The mob6 has been pretty solid from what I've heard and my experience, the meteor65 definitely has not at all been solid from what I've heard and my experience. The meteor65 boards are really weird and the ESCS randomly stop working
I got my mobula6 last week the 25kv model, this whoop is a beast, so i got to tamed it down to 60-70% throttle limit + jesc 48 khz, flight time increased to 4.45 minutes. i think it's best to bought the 25kv because you can limit the throttle to 76% and it will be the same experience with 19kv model
Ok this is what is do. I have a brushed tiny whoop for inside and brushless whoop for outside. My house is just a little bit smaller and the brushed whoop flies stellar inside. I have had the brushed anyway for years before the brushless even came out. I think the Mobula 6 25,000 is best out doors. Good review Josh. Ps mp3 all the way!
Man indoor the camera looked alright but outdoor everything had a funky pink hue that you could really see in the left side of the screen. Love the idea of a true aio board but you had a valid point I've had many happy model products that worked but were very questionable. Excellent review my child.
I want somebody to do a thrust test on one of these tiny brushless motors on day one that you buy it and then after 10 hours of use ("typical" brushed lifespan). I know brushless tiny motors "last longer", but in my flying and talking to others, I suspect the performance degrades on these tiny motors more than their bigger cousins. So, yes, don't count brushed out. I would say most of us that fly whoops a lot still prefer the feel of a brushed Whoop over brushless, and that magic sauce just hasn't been found...yet. Believe me, I'm still trying. ;) AND, now that EMUFLIGHT has added a new motor mixer for brushed that borrows from Silverware, we are getting AT LEAS 30% more power to brushed motors. Couple that with the NBD BBLITE Pro with turtle mode that flips itself (no stick input needed, just flip switch) and some super fast and long lasting Plaid motors...man, it's a great time to be a Whoop flyer. :P Best Feel - NBD BBLITE PRO ON EMUFLIGHT .2.1.5 and above (followed closely by any under 20g Silverware brushed) Most features - NBD BBLITE PRO - LEDS, Motor Braking, VTX built in, RX built in, Turtle Mode and u.fl Best BNF - So far, the Mob6. I disagree with Joshua on BFPV quality on the Meteor even tho HM track record is just as bad) Best motor for racing - 802 19k Best Whoop Firmware - Emuflight 0.2.15 and above (SOOO many whoop features added that BF doesn't even have) The (potential) Future - Lightweight 65mm 2s with low kv (12,000kv 802 or 14,000kv 603). About the same weight (23g) without battery, but MUCH better power band and 5+ minutes flight time on dual 300's.
I’ve seen very little difference on my US/UK 65 brushless. The only difference you usually find is the batteries degrading. I hit 10 hours in like a week (when I run about 30 batteries, as soon as they are done I shove them in the charger for a second use that day). Even with that many batteries they are showing massive performance degradation after a while, but the quad flies excellent when I put my better and newer batteries performing just like it did out of the box. The only real possible degradation is bearing wear, and obviously you need to oil the bearings just like every other machine that’s existed on earth with conventional bearings (minus magnetic levitation and air bearings etc). I mean you’ll hear it though, they will sound aweful after a while but it’s just the bearings go out eventually (I’ve had 2206 motors last WAY less time than I’ve put on my whoop when the big ones started screaming mercilessly while flying). Crashes are particularly bad but thankfully the whoops just bounce off of stuff and have bumper guards so they don’t really see much trauma even then. The other big performance degradation are my props are a bit worn and dinged up covered green with grass stains because I fly inches off the ground, and my frame is so banged up there isn’t enough super glue to hold it together so I need to get another frame or 3d print one out. It’s basically only bearing wear, and that’s cheap and easy to replace, it just depends on the quality of the bearings and how well or absolutely no maintenance like seemingly most people do or don’t do is what determines how long they last. I suspect less than 1% thrust reduction after 10 hours of flying (it depends more how much bits of gravel and grass are stuck in the motor, I disassemble mine every couple weeks or as needed if I’m flying a lot. If it’s just indoors I’d say drop of oil on all 4 (top and bottom) every 5 hours and work it in and remove and submerge in a shot glass of cleaner and then oil and let in soak in for 10 minutes and reassemble every 10 hours of flight, and that will keep the bearings lasting quite a while (maybe 40-50 hours? Could be 100, I’m not sure how many hours mine has on it, I’ve usually switched primary quads by then because by then something way better is out and I keep the other as a backup or loaner quad for anyone that wants to try out flying).
Still flying an Eachine US65 from nearly 1.5 years back. Just add Mockingbird setup and 802 motors. About 21g too. Not enough reason to upgrade to this year's two new hypetrain whoops. BTW, 2g out of ~22g dry is 10%. Which is like 35g out of ~350g dry 5" (not 50-60g of AUW).
He probably meant for a 500-600 gram acro quad with his go-pro mounted, not a bare twig style with 1000 to 1300 4s pack. I think my first 5 inch quad was like 600 grams, and that wasn’t a very powerful one but its super old, lol, 350 grams is a bit unreasonable, like my GTR 349 (3 inch) with a 850mAh 4s is definitely borderline 250 grams... it’s not hard to see why a 5 inch would be twice that if it has around twice the battery and an action cam.
Jake Garrett Dry weights mean without battery. That’s why he said 2g is 10% of the 21g Mobula6 or 23g Meteor65, both dry weights. Otherwise, if including lipo then 2g is only 6% of their AUW (all up weight, which includes the ~7g lipo). 350g dry weight is about right for 5” freestyle quads. (5” Racing quads are about 270g dry.) He said 55-60g indicating 550-600g. Even with a Session in a mount, maybe 450-500g? Also, that’s a big assumption that everyone or most people fly quads with GoPro’s. All that added weight makes them fly a lot worse.
TweakRacer mmm, I may have misunderstood him, I thought he was mixing measurements incorrectly to start with (mixing empty and full load) as I wouldn’t go by the useless empty weight (unless it was specific and relevant like an airplane gliding distance out of fuel). If he was referring to empty payload on both then yeah 500+ grams would be insane! I’ve got a few early Diatone 5 inch frames (a few as in 50+ frames) that are well above 200 grams each, some nearing 300g by themselves, lol! Their super light bragging worthy one was a chopped out carbon frame with barely any material strength even just sitting there but it weighs like 85 grams and that was actually a big deal back then, like a filed down toothpick frame for today, haha! Those are the only possible quads I could see hitting that weight and thats probably with some 1 kW motors bolted to them or just using 4 heavy high power ESCs. Lol, your right if he was referring to empty that would be ridiculous. I’m just envisioning someone bolting motors to a folding lawn chair and flying it around at that kind of weight, haha!
Nice comparison and these 1S Tiny Whoops are so much fun indoors. Wow! They have come a long way since my 1st one, Eachine E010 ;-) See you in the Air!
As a dj yes vinyl sounds much better than cd but depends on the sound frequency. Some of the newer vinyl is recorded in a diff frequency than what I used to do it doesn’t sound quite as good anymore. 😝
I went with 19K for more flight time, cause I was afraid of the 25K. But the 48khz pwm you get 4+ minutes on 25K. I wished I got the 25K; it’s not the insane power I need, but it’s throttle resolution and out of the box the throttle resolution of the 19K is not great when you’re used to 75mm 2s whoops, really...
Carve Maybe I just the wrong terminology, but what I mean is on the 19K, 0 to around 40% throttle does absolutely nothing, where I would expect the 25K to already hover long before that.
Just finished my beecore build. Works, 6min flight time, but no punch with the brushed motor. But total build cost was only $41 with the vtx and motors(79000kv) and props included. 27 grams with 280mah 1s. Next build will Def be a brushless setup tho
Fantastic flying and review, Joshua! 😃 Yeah... People seem to LOVE the RunCam Nano 3, but... Honestly? It's only lighter. Because the image isn't that good.
You must need glasses because it’s way better then the mobula 7 cam the beta fpv cam like do you even own a mobula 6 cause the nano 3 has an amazing video
Yes....... We've come along Way since the Syma X5C , K22 board , Foamboard planes and 900kv quads that we used to Explore the Skies ........ Now , we hunch in a chair , eyes googled to successfully fly under the bed and over the table for 3 minutes ........ Yes ..... We have Progressed ......... or Lost our Minds ...... LOL !
Loved the video Josh! Could you check that your printer isn't flashing next time tho. It was a bit distracting. Just trying to help you continue making great content. Thanks for being friendly, informative and awesome
Thanks man! Already have a Trashcan for backyard ripping and wanted a brushless specifically for indoors. Plus that Hawk Pro 6s that I am always afraid of plowing into a car or house window.
Got my Mobula6 in yesterday (19000kv motors) and wow,! This is a lot faster than my older brushed whoops :-) I actually have a throttle range, lol. I just flew some fast circuits in a larger area and it's a ton of fun. Going to set up a track in the house now and fly around with it :-)
If you have a URUAV UR65 or similar buy the Mobula 6 19000kv motors and the same Gemfan 3 blade props. My flight times went to 4:00 and has a bit more power than the stock UR65 0603 motors. My amp draw went down on average .75 and the motors aren't even warm.
IN STORES THIS WEEK, the "Mobula 65" Nick Burns did a range test with the mobula 6 and I was pretty blown away by it. same for me but we both ours modded with the bt 2.0
I love my mobulus 6 with 19000kv motors.. i havent broken the frame yet and compared to the mobulus 7 v2 the camera is much better... Thanks for the review Joshua..... great job..
I have the 25k version of the mobula 6. Jesc at 48khz makes a huge difference in battery flight time. I was able to consistently get over 2.5 min at a race this week. motors come down nice and cool. It was fairly easy to do. Just needed to upgrade to BF 4.1 and then Flash with the JESC configuration. the albert kim video walked me through it
I Upgraded my Mobula 6 to BF 4.1 and RPM filters with 48Khz. ( I like donating money to Joe for all his work ) It seems to fly fine with stock PIDs. Are there any better PIDs tune for 4.1 ?
Nice edit with great timing. I got my nephew a custom droner build, now he wants a whoop. Tbs makes a 25k 602 motor that was great for indoor and outdoor acro but the bearing just get beat up quick.
I've crashed this little fellow literally everywhere, it's still alive and I didn't change any part of it, even the small break aren't preventing it from flying. I love it, it's my favourite tiny whoop and I'll likely buy another one. I cannot say the same for its big brother, the 7. That thing is the exact opposite. Really, the rate is almost 1 crash = 1 part broken, preventing to fly again. In comparison, the tiny hawk 2 is unbreakable.
Thicker (also shorter) wired have less resistance, that applies to the connector pins too. Though they’re so short, maybe the difference is in the thickness and length of the wire behind the connector.
Bardwell, the 25k kv motors on the mobula 6 are definitely not that high. With hard ripping I get 3 min flight time and normal flying like 3.5 and slow I get 4 min. I think they labeled them wrong (or maybe betafpv labeled the 22k kv ones wrong). I think it is definitely worth a shot to try the 25k kv and that is the version I would recommend to people. Please give this a try and prove me wrong!
Don’t make my mistake guys don’t get the 19kv motors it lacks power so when you take tight turns you run out of throttle and power when doing power loops after about 30 seconds you start banging the ground cause it doesn’t have power to stay in the air just get the 25kv and if they are to much for you set a throttle curve tell you get used to more power
I have the meteor65 and I can say that it takes a thrashing. I fly in a space like your man cave down there, maybe with a longer straight and I'm on it full tilt and I have not broken a frame yet. Stress point definently but no breaks(buy colored frames, the transparent frame is noticeably weaker). It's just a nice rigid solid build. I do fly the 22000kv and can say it is manageable indoors but I do recommend the 19500kv for the longer flight time. Inside trolling around I get 2-2:30 flight time. I just feel you're wrong about one thing and that's that betafpv is a way more reliable build and is worth the extra 30 bucks in my opinion. Theres something that wasn't acounted for and it was betafpv motors.i know it was a mobula7 review😅. They have bearings instead of washers and can be repaired if for some reason a lead is broken. I don't believe the motors are rebrands either. There an innovation by betafpv. My one gripe is they need a new material for that canopy. Sure there only $2.50 for a new one but who wants to do that for a canopy like glass. Thinking some flex seal spray on the inside will help it big time. Any who thank you for you infinite knowledge. Gonna have to pick this guy up and maybe that'll be my 19000kv set up for insode 😁. I'll be sure to use your link.
the mob 6 and the meteor 65 are now the same price because the mob is now more wanted btw beta fpv has a new version of the 65 out and I think you should redo the video with the new one for a comparison.
I have too many parts still for my brushed Acrobee Bee Brain Lite to look at a new whoop. I have like 3 frames and 5 sets of motors just for starters. For now I am good thanks!
This was a really great video, Joshua. I loved how you compared the two drones; it was a really fair and honest assessment. As always, I know I can trust the information if it is coming from you (and a tiny group of other RUclipsrs). I disagree with you on a couple of items, though. Not to start an argument, but just to share my viewpoint, I disagreed with you on the KV numbers. I would go for the higher KV motors for both of thesebecause I want the power to get out of trouble if I need it. And I agree that the throttle response on the higher KV motors is twitchy. But, I would resolve that issue with some throttle scaling. We also disagree on the cameras. In terms of resolution, I thought they were pretty even. But, in low light such as on your indoor footage, I thought that the Mobula 6 handled exposure challenges better. For example, when the Meteor 65 was flying straight at a “white” wall, I thought that the highlights were all blown out. The Mobula 6 handled that situation much better. And I think it carries through for both whoops; the way that they handle exposure differs and I think that the camera on the Mobula 6 has better dynamic range, which translates into an easier transition from bright to dark. Just my thoughts, Joshua, and I think that it really boils down to a matter of taste. Thanks, as always, for a really good comparative review. P.S. I thought that both cameras were dreadful outside, so much so that it would be a comparison of bad to more bad. Peace.
Well, i'm kinda late to the party. But tecnically speaking, vinyl DOES sound better, since they store the sound analog, which leads to a purer sound. Practically you also need a good soundmachine, because it will only be as good as the weakest link in it.
i had 2 different tinyhawk s that i have returned because of the esc motor 4 quit working then on the second motor 1 would work intermittently. so calling those garbage IMO. thanks josh!
Was your poor flight times from the meteor partially down to the betaFpv batteries? Or did you try it with some other packs that you changed over to the bt2.0 connector? i found the beta batteries to be trash an i get around an extra minute using GNB packs i changed over to the bt 2.0 personally. I think i remember nick burns mentioning something of that sort in a video of his as well.
What about the UR65. It was the first 65mm brushless whoop. I love it, but am getting a Mobula6. The lighter weight is great. The only thing they need to add, are integrated LEDs. The LEDs on the main board, like the NBD BBLITE are so cool.
Ok but seriously that's a smart ruse cause vinyl is way way undeniably better than digital format sound lol. Obviously. That said I'm waiting for the tech to be good enough for them to make a brushless true micro or nano or whatever is as tiny as those little tiny indoor cheap drones like the jetjat ultra except I want one that flies acro.. I got the mobula 6. It's a great little quad but its still not small enough to be an indoor drone in small tight quarters. Sure if you have a big house its amazing for indoor. But my house is really tiny. Bring on the 25mm quantum quads lol. I'm coining that phrase right now.
My first micros were the cheerson qx10 I believe is the model and the estates proto x. Then the nano qx and inductrix. 🤔 I wouldn't say they sucked. Then I went with the NBD acrobee.....
Vinyl sounds way better than CDs if you have a proper record player and hifi system. Love my vinyl! To the tiny whoops Bl is the way! My meteor 65 is soooooo fast! And fly's awesome on Btf4.1! Way better than my inductrix bl.
I think I'm going to order the new bee drone. By the way when you made this video you forgot to compare outdoor video samples from the two drones! Indoors the qualities kind of a wash. But that outdoor footage that you showed was just a deal-breaker. That's why I'm off to purchase an acrobee.
Ya, kickin myself buying 65x with the 2cell a couple months ago, it happens to me everytime. Buy something and then something better comes out. Really though was impatient and had to try a whoop brushless for the first time.
With 2s you have more power, 1s applies for indoor, for outdoor it is boring and if there is wind, then you can not fly. I think whoops 2s for outdoors exist to have the chance to fly them in your neighborhood (responsibly), and know you will not cause any damage if you crash. Fly a 1s outdoors with a little wind and you drain all the battery in less than 1 minute. I really would like a 2s whoop with a decent flight time. For indoors mobula6 is the better option ;)
I disagree that 1S is boring outdoors if you have 22,000 kv motors or higher. I really enjoyed flying the Meteor outdoors and even doing some light acro. But you're right that flight times are short and wind is a problem.
@@JoshuaBardwell The correct word is stressed, with the short fly time in exterior . Speaking about fly time, Joshua do you think this is real www.aguonadrones.com/product-page/copy-of-ur-drone-ultralight-3-race-drone (up to 20 min fly time ?? )
It would be handy if you didn't put a link to the buyer's guide right below the video that didn't include the product. I accidentally bought the Mobula 7 off a link from your webpage instead of the 6 I wanted, because I didn't know better. I know, I should have been paying more attention.
Damn I’ve got the mobula 6 on order, and of course they’re out of stock, so I’m waiting. Now you got me thinking I should have bought the beta model, because I have the crossfire unit in my jumper t16, and I like to be able to fly a bit of distance. By the way, I’ve recently got the diatone gtr349 with the tbs trx and receiver, after flying with my old spektrum DX6e, what a revelation.
I ordered the 25000kv one and I'm going to try it with a throttle limit like you showed me how to do with the mobula7. I figured that way if I get into racing and I need more speed I have it
The 48 & 96 khz pwm ecs firmware (jesc or blheli) has extended the flight time on both my meteor 22k and mob6 25k by over a minute. Meteor 22k gets 3 - 3.5mins Mob6 25k gets 4 - 4.5mins
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I have the Meteor 65 and Mobula 6 19K and 25K models and flew them all a lot and recommend the Mobula 6. It cost $25 less and comes with 3 more batteries, is 3 grams lighter 20g vs 23g (15%), longer range when I tested them outside 260 meters vs 215 meters, The Mobula 6 holds up better, two of the hoops and canopy broke on the Meteor and nothing has broke yet on the Mobula 6. The thrust for the Meteor 65 and Mobula 6 25K are about the same at 95g the better connector on the Meteor equal the power of 25K motors of the Mobula. The 19K model of the Mobula 6 had 74 grams of thrust. The speed of the Mobula 6 is faster and you can get a lot higher camera angle on the Mobula 6 for longer courses. I would rate the cameras the same. The Mobula 6 is a better camera but it does give jello every so often. If you are only flying on a small inside course the 19K models is the way to go with longer flight times. If you want to push it hard outside the Mobula 6 25K is amazing it flies like a 5" lol. The problem with the Mobula 6 is they are sold out everywhere.
John from Chicago
Great review.. thanks very much. Im live north of you in canada so our whoop season is quite a bit longer than yours... i got the mobulus 6 and absolutely love it. 19000kv. Not sure i need the extra power in the house.
I was hoping when JB threw the eachine trashcan he would say "I made it into the trash can." Haha
Hey - you should try the 48 kHz filter on the escs from Joe Lucid. It increased my flight time on 19kv mobula6 from 4:15 to 5:30 (down to 3.0 V, resting Voltage went to 3.4). I think this mod significantly helps the higher kV motors (like meteor65 with 22k or mobula6 25k). The mobula6 25k started at about 2:00 of flight time and people now get 4 minutes with the 48 kHz update. Just some points, I think you also did a video on the entire rpm filtering thing but just the 48 kHz mod is huge for these high rpm tiny whoops.
48khz, pffft, that's old n busted. 96khz is the new slottness.
Also fuck joe lucid
@@adobedoug2564 You do realize that Joe Lucid is responsible for 8 or 9 features in BL_HELI_S, right? Without him you'd be stuck. Though in principle I'm not a huge fan of extending open source like that and charging for it.
fprintf do you get paid for the work you do? Of course you do. Why shouldn’t he get paid for the creation of his added value. We might not have it at all otherwise. As someone who has designed a lot of hardware and written a lot of code over the years for both pay and open source products, I have absolutely nothing to show for the open source contributions. Not even attribution most of the time. As long as the price is commensurate with the added value of the work and if it isn’t worth what he charges then no one will buy it and no one is hurt.
@@wingspinner210 I think your comment is a bit misdirected. You would be directing it to @adobe doug instead, which is who I was replying to. I really appreciate the work Joe Lucid has done, I'm just not sure doing it the way he has is the right way. You might guess from my username here that I also have contributed to open source, though I don't mind that I got no income or attribution from it because I did it for fun. Just like I don't get paid for making comments on here or Slashdot or Reddit.
I'm glad you posted this. Mobula 6 is a wonderful Whoop. Camera is also amazing for what it is. IMO It's the the best 1s Whoop to date. Also you should consider amending this video or do a tutorial on upgraded the ESC FW. JL recently introduced an ESC 48khz FW and It probably has a more significant performance gain that that of BT 2.0 and its just a Software Upgrade easy peazy. I increased my flight times by at least 30% with the 25kv version. Not to mention upgrading to BF 4.1.x also made a significant improvement in the way it flies.
As some one who grew up with the +snap+ +crackle+ +hiss+ of vinyl records, CDs where such a relief. Utter silence between songs, perfect to my imperfect human ears.
Great review. I enjoyed. I like the fact that Mr. Nick Burns is also watched by my other fpv RUclips mentor. Between you two guys, it has manifested my love for FPV. Reviews from honest like-minded vets of the fpv world is why I keep watching both you guys. Keep em coming. I just wished I could contribute to you guys Patreons at the time, but soon maybe.
I just ordered the Mobula 6 for my first FPV drone and I can't wait to get it! I also ordered a few upgraded parts for it you recomended on your FPV shopping list like the better battery connector and batteries.
I have the 19k mobula 6. Absolutely love it. I am new to quads and crashed it all over my house. Looks fresh out of the box still.
Tip: take 4 soft foam ear plugs, cut the tips off about 1/4 inch, lightly hot glue them under the motors. Now you are not slamming your battery on the ground. The foam is very light weight too. I haven't noticed any real difference in flight time.
Thanks..im gonna try that....
So far over 100 packs in with my mob6 and no issues which I’m pleasantly surprised by. I went 19k kv for indoors and agree with your thoughts completely.
Don't bring vinyl into this you cross the line son lol
Lossless digital files recorded off fresh 45rpm vinyl
Comparison doesn’t make sense indeed 😉. I love vinyl, airplay and brushless. Vinyl is sacred though. I didn’t have CD‘s for long but still collect vinyls! Vinyl sound is definitely better, there is just something real and live about them... (I am 40) Brushed has none of those benefits. I love my Mobula 6! I also have a Beebrain Lite Mockingbird Edition but having turtle mode, more power and better camera rocks!🤘🏻😈🤘🏻
Lowe-Tech FpvWannabe No it is exactly the other way around; vinyl hasn’t added anything. I am not an audiophile or anything but there is just a raw, original even dirty quality to vinyl. I bought all my favourite bands, limited edition vinyls, from my youth again. Nirvana unplugged, Pearl Jam’s Ten, Mad Season etc. It would not be the same having those on a server or CD. For me it is more an emotional and yes nostalgic thing. But flying FPV brushed cause you feel nostalgic? Not the same thing. Anyway Josh used it tongue in cheek anyway so what ever music format blows your hair back! Lol 😂
@@marsmachine1156 Couldn't have said it better!
Pls, Vinyl is just a style of medium to listen to music. We all should know digital is a lot higher fidelity and distinguished frequencies.
So glad I found this channel. I’m Learning so much about fpv from you :) thank you. Got myself a larva x and modula6 as starter quads.
JESC gave my Meteor65 2200kv up to 80 secs more flight time! I kept my BF 4.1.1 the same, and changed from BLHELI to JESC. Went from flying 1:40mins to over 3mins, I could not be happier!
Thanks for the review! Good stuff, as always. I can't wait to get my hands on my Mobula6, finally shipped today, was out of stock since I ordered it in December. Definitely will look into it, but just looking at your footage ... damn son, flying a tinywhoop outside like that... that's just crazy! It's awesome where our hobby has gone in just the past few years!
Hey, what was the preorder number you had, if you remember? I'm around 400 and it's not shipped yet.
I ordered it also in december and it finally shipped on the 8th of January. Think I was at arround 220 order number
@@Mavemen Awesome! One of the lucky few :P But in all fairness, really looking forward to testing this quad!
@@FPVtips i think yes 😂 hope it arrives this month and i can test it with 48khz Esc settings
@@Mavemen Would love to do the same test! Heard very good things about it so far.
Here i am staring at my front door, hoping the mobula7 i ordered back in December shows up today. As you chuck yours across the room. Breaking my heart Bardwell.
When in December? Tracking? Contacted bg? Best of luck
Pay 3$ put it into a 65 mm frame
That was a trashcan
@@Burn377 a trashcan was a 75mm frame and had different motors though
Same here, got it yesterday. It is my first drone so it took me about 6h to understand all the receiver and betaflight adjustments. Had to use an older Version of Betaflight to get it it to work. Bad weather so i only could test 1S till now. Flies like a charme.
CD
Hi Joshua, queston from a non quad flyer (I fly fixed wing and helicopters). But kids today all seem to want to fly quads. Well I have two nephews who I'm introducing to the hobby. And I'll admit that I think helping a 8 year old to fly a quad that he loves is probably easier than teaching him to fly a fixed wing...that is more fragile and he doesn't really care about. Here's my problem. I know very little about these Tiny Whoops, and or will fly with my (dare I say it DSMX) transmitters. I need something that will have a simple charging plug and that will be fairly robust. Thanks for another great video.
Just picked up the Meteor 65 at RDQ for $57. Couldn't pass up that deal!
Dam what a deal i paid like 70 for mine "On Sale" 😅
bro WHAT!
It's well over 100 now a dayz
It's almost 100 quid in the uk.
@@ChrisParayno get a mob6 then
Joshua, I like how your dog is used to kwads flying over him. He seems to not pay much attention, which is really good in this case :)
i've been using the meteor65 for about a month non stop. and it has worked amazing. the frame has just now cracked for me. the only thing i would say is that the shell is a little fragile and also the solder joints to the camera and on the board is a little weak and i had to re connect them. but overall i love this little quad and would highly recommend it to anyone.
Thanks for the help...I've been agonizing over which whoop to get for a while now. Also, that shirt is absolutely awesome! Hahahaha wers the rotor riot guys upset??!! Haha
Thanks for the review. I still don't know what to buy. Guess I'll just have to buy them both.
Also, I didn't know that about affiliate links. Good to know!
So I have both the meteor and mobula6 and I can say hands down winner has been the mobula.
You can use Jesc firmware and have RPM filter that smooths the flight out significantly. If you choose the 48kHz PWM version you get even more flight time. I did swap out the PH2 for BT2 but even on the crappy betafpv 300mAh 1s cells I am getting 4min 50s flight on 19000kv - I also tried the betafpv 22000kv and 17500kv motors from betafpv and the 19000kv are the sweet spot. I have put my mobula in the new betafpv frame for the meteor and I have put the same runcam nano3 in my meteor. Now I have a meaty-mob and a mobu-meat.
I originally thought that the ph2.0 wears out like others until someone recommended that I clean the pins with deoxit gold contact cleaner and now my ph2.0 is back to normal. I went from 1:30 on the lipos back to 3 minutes. And I’ve tested this on 12 1s nitro nectars and all of them gained this kind of results. Side note, I also cleaned the inside connections of the lipo by lubricating 1 pin at a time and inserting it in the lipo, CAREFULLY.
Great tip.. im gonna try..thanks
I've used contact cleaner to fix stuttering motors on original tiny hawks many times.
Thank you Joshua for another informative “more than a” review. Glad you like your Mobula 6, I love mine too. I think the camera is great. Haven’t tried outdoors yet but feel like doing some powerloops now! 🏡🌀🤙🏻
See my channel
My new mobula6 is out for delivery today!!! Can’t wait!
My Mobula6 is out for delivery as I write this!!!
Range wise I haven't had the chance to test mine, I ordered the FlySky variant and in the box was a little bag containing a FS82 RX with a little note saying: "If you are not satisfied with the range of the SPI receiver, please use the external receiver. Plug the pre-solder signal wire to the external receiver." Which is nice, but I have modded my T16 multimodule with a 1000mW 2.4ghz booster...
Thank you for all you do for fpv
Indeed vinyl record sound much better than cds or even mp3s. Bear in mind all sounds are actually recorded on a Vinyl, however they are not all recorded on cds and so. Thanks for another great video Mr. Bardwell!
Omg.... I've just got one.
Mob 6 25000 kv.
Absolutely love it for outdoors at my local park in the UK where everybody seems to think quads are the devil's spawn!
Yes battery life is less than two mins flying it like a lunatic especially with Crossfire nano on it. Saved abit of weight swapping the canopy to the Uz65 but I just love how I can really try new acro moves safely, quietly, stealthily and it's ability to take crash after crash is fantastic!
I just ordered one what size batteries do you use
@@paulrambo9656 250mah 1s... most use 300mah. But a bit less weight is ace.
Just get plenty of batteries
Truth about the happy model quality. The first mobula7 I got burned up as soon as I plugged it in to tune it! Luckily I ordered 2 now have a parts copter. Pretty expensive for parts. That being said the Mobula7 is pretty fun to fly!
My Mob7 just burnt up after a crash. I'm pretty disappointed in the quality of Happymodel's whoops
The mob6 has been pretty solid from what I've heard and my experience, the meteor65 definitely has not at all been solid from what I've heard and my experience.
The meteor65 boards are really weird and the ESCS randomly stop working
I got my mobula6 last week the 25kv model, this whoop is a beast, so i got to tamed it down to 60-70% throttle limit + jesc 48 khz, flight time increased to 4.45 minutes. i think it's best to bought the 25kv because you can limit the throttle to 76% and it will be the same experience with 19kv model
Ok this is what is do. I have a brushed tiny whoop for inside and brushless whoop for outside. My house is just a little bit smaller and the brushed whoop flies stellar inside. I have had the brushed anyway for years before the brushless even came out. I think the Mobula 6 25,000 is best out doors. Good review Josh.
Ps mp3 all the way!
Man indoor the camera looked alright but outdoor everything had a funky pink hue that you could really see in the left side of the screen. Love the idea of a true aio board but you had a valid point I've had many happy model products that worked but were very questionable. Excellent review my child.
I want somebody to do a thrust test on one of these tiny brushless motors on day one that you buy it and then after 10 hours of use ("typical" brushed lifespan). I know brushless tiny motors "last longer", but in my flying and talking to others, I suspect the performance degrades on these tiny motors more than their bigger cousins.
So, yes, don't count brushed out. I would say most of us that fly whoops a lot still prefer the feel of a brushed Whoop over brushless, and that magic sauce just hasn't been found...yet. Believe me, I'm still trying. ;)
AND, now that EMUFLIGHT has added a new motor mixer for brushed that borrows from Silverware, we are getting AT LEAS 30% more power to brushed motors. Couple that with the NBD BBLITE Pro with turtle mode that flips itself (no stick input needed, just flip switch) and some super fast and long lasting Plaid motors...man, it's a great time to be a Whoop flyer. :P
Best Feel - NBD BBLITE PRO ON EMUFLIGHT .2.1.5 and above (followed closely by any under 20g Silverware brushed)
Most features - NBD BBLITE PRO - LEDS, Motor Braking, VTX built in, RX built in, Turtle Mode and u.fl
Best BNF - So far, the Mob6. I disagree with Joshua on BFPV quality on the Meteor even tho HM track record is just as bad)
Best motor for racing - 802 19k
Best Whoop Firmware - Emuflight 0.2.15 and above (SOOO many whoop features added that BF doesn't even have)
The (potential) Future - Lightweight 65mm 2s with low kv (12,000kv 802 or 14,000kv 603). About the same weight (23g) without battery, but MUCH better power band and 5+ minutes flight time on dual 300's.
I’ve seen very little difference on my US/UK 65 brushless. The only difference you usually find is the batteries degrading. I hit 10 hours in like a week (when I run about 30 batteries, as soon as they are done I shove them in the charger for a second use that day). Even with that many batteries they are showing massive performance degradation after a while, but the quad flies excellent when I put my better and newer batteries performing just like it did out of the box.
The only real possible degradation is bearing wear, and obviously you need to oil the bearings just like every other machine that’s existed on earth with conventional bearings (minus magnetic levitation and air bearings etc). I mean you’ll hear it though, they will sound aweful after a while but it’s just the bearings go out eventually (I’ve had 2206 motors last WAY less time than I’ve put on my whoop when the big ones started screaming mercilessly while flying). Crashes are particularly bad but thankfully the whoops just bounce off of stuff and have bumper guards so they don’t really see much trauma even then. The other big performance degradation are my props are a bit worn and dinged up covered green with grass stains because I fly inches off the ground, and my frame is so banged up there isn’t enough super glue to hold it together so I need to get another frame or 3d print one out.
It’s basically only bearing wear, and that’s cheap and easy to replace, it just depends on the quality of the bearings and how well or absolutely no maintenance like seemingly most people do or don’t do is what determines how long they last. I suspect less than 1% thrust reduction after 10 hours of flying (it depends more how much bits of gravel and grass are stuck in the motor, I disassemble mine every couple weeks or as needed if I’m flying a lot. If it’s just indoors I’d say drop of oil on all 4 (top and bottom) every 5 hours and work it in and remove and submerge in a shot glass of cleaner and then oil and let in soak in for 10 minutes and reassemble every 10 hours of flight, and that will keep the bearings lasting quite a while (maybe 40-50 hours? Could be 100, I’m not sure how many hours mine has on it, I’ve usually switched primary quads by then because by then something way better is out and I keep the other as a backup or loaner quad for anyone that wants to try out flying).
Still flying an Eachine US65 from nearly 1.5 years back. Just add Mockingbird setup and 802 motors. About 21g too. Not enough reason to upgrade to this year's two new hypetrain whoops.
BTW, 2g out of ~22g dry is 10%. Which is like 35g out of ~350g dry 5" (not 50-60g of AUW).
He probably meant for a 500-600 gram acro quad with his go-pro mounted, not a bare twig style with 1000 to 1300 4s pack. I think my first 5 inch quad was like 600 grams, and that wasn’t a very powerful one but its super old, lol, 350 grams is a bit unreasonable, like my GTR 349 (3 inch) with a 850mAh 4s is definitely borderline 250 grams... it’s not hard to see why a 5 inch would be twice that if it has around twice the battery and an action cam.
Jake Garrett
Dry weights mean without battery. That’s why he said 2g is 10% of the 21g Mobula6 or 23g Meteor65, both dry weights. Otherwise, if including lipo then 2g is only 6% of their AUW (all up weight, which includes the ~7g lipo).
350g dry weight is about right for 5” freestyle quads. (5” Racing quads are about 270g dry.) He said 55-60g indicating 550-600g. Even with a Session in a mount, maybe 450-500g? Also, that’s a big assumption that everyone or most people fly quads with GoPro’s. All that added weight makes them fly a lot worse.
TweakRacer mmm, I may have misunderstood him, I thought he was mixing measurements incorrectly to start with (mixing empty and full load) as I wouldn’t go by the useless empty weight (unless it was specific and relevant like an airplane gliding distance out of fuel). If he was referring to empty payload on both then yeah 500+ grams would be insane!
I’ve got a few early Diatone 5 inch frames (a few as in 50+ frames) that are well above 200 grams each, some nearing 300g by themselves, lol! Their super light bragging worthy one was a chopped out carbon frame with barely any material strength even just sitting there but it weighs like 85 grams and that was actually a big deal back then, like a filed down toothpick frame for today, haha! Those are the only possible quads I could see hitting that weight and thats probably with some 1 kW motors bolted to them or just using 4 heavy high power ESCs.
Lol, your right if he was referring to empty that would be ridiculous. I’m just envisioning someone bolting motors to a folding lawn chair and flying it around at that kind of weight, haha!
Nice comparison and these 1S Tiny Whoops are so much fun indoors. Wow! They have come a long way since my 1st one, Eachine E010 ;-) See you in the Air!
1S indoor seems like a blast for winter weather fun in cold areas :)
As a dj yes vinyl sounds much better than cd but depends on the sound frequency. Some of the newer vinyl is recorded in a diff frequency than what I used to do it doesn’t sound quite as good anymore. 😝
I went with 19K for more flight time, cause I was afraid of the 25K. But the 48khz pwm you get 4+ minutes on 25K. I wished I got the 25K; it’s not the insane power I need, but it’s throttle resolution and out of the box the throttle resolution of the 19K is not great when you’re used to 75mm 2s whoops, really...
I mean, lower KV is actually more throttle resolution
Carve Maybe I just the wrong terminology, but what I mean is on the 19K, 0 to around 40% throttle does absolutely nothing, where I would expect the 25K to already hover long before that.
Excellent video. THANK YOU for your impartiality.
the blinking light on your printer is driving me nuts ARRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!
Hahaha thought I was the only one I started counting it
I didn't notice it. Now I can't unsee it. Damn you.
Hahaha 😂 saw it too ARRRG
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Hi Jushua!
Thanks for this great review ! Do you still believe it's the best 1S whoops In Nov-2020 ?
Just finished my beecore build. Works, 6min flight time, but no punch with the brushed motor. But total build cost was only $41 with the vtx and motors(79000kv) and props included. 27 grams with 280mah 1s. Next build will Def be a brushless setup tho
Fantastic flying and review, Joshua! 😃
Yeah... People seem to LOVE the RunCam Nano 3, but... Honestly? It's only lighter. Because the image isn't that good.
You must need glasses because it’s way better then the mobula 7 cam the beta fpv cam like do you even own a mobula 6 cause the nano 3 has an amazing video
Hey MC the cam actually blew me away when I first flew it. It looks much better in real life. Also the OSD text is crisp and clean.
Yes....... We've come along Way since the Syma X5C , K22 board , Foamboard planes and 900kv quads that we used to Explore the Skies ........ Now , we hunch in a chair , eyes googled to successfully fly under the bed and over the table for 3 minutes ........ Yes ..... We have Progressed ......... or Lost our Minds ...... LOL !
Loved the video Josh! Could you check that your printer isn't flashing next time tho. It was a bit distracting. Just trying to help you continue making great content. Thanks for being friendly, informative and awesome
Thanks man! Already have a Trashcan for backyard ripping and wanted a brushless specifically for indoors. Plus that Hawk Pro 6s that I am always afraid of plowing into a car or house window.
Forget the vinyl, MiniDisc is where it’s at. anyway thank you for doing a 1s video
Did you forget some of the flight footage or did my mild ADD kick in?
Thats why im going the comments, lol I thought I missed it.
Got my Mobula6 in yesterday (19000kv motors) and wow,! This is a lot faster than my older brushed whoops :-) I actually have a throttle range, lol. I just flew some fast circuits in a larger area and it's a ton of fun. Going to set up a track in the house now and fly around with it :-)
13:21 your Mrs watching TV must be like "for fuck's sake not again"
If you have a URUAV UR65 or similar buy the Mobula 6 19000kv motors and the same Gemfan 3 blade props. My flight times went to 4:00 and has a bit more power than the stock UR65 0603 motors. My amp draw went down on average .75 and the motors aren't even warm.
When can we get the DJI high def in these!? That would be a game changer
Lol that's asking a lot but with the way tech is going you never know :D maybe somebody can work some magic 😉
Sir Braap_a_lot hopefully one day soonish 🤞
Caddx vista?
@@bandobandit353 maybe a strong toothpick build but not a whoop too heavy
Bando Bandit never heard of it. I’ll have a look
IN STORES THIS WEEK, the "Mobula 65" Nick Burns did a range test with the mobula 6 and I was pretty blown away by it. same for me but we both ours modded with the bt 2.0
I love my mobulus 6 with 19000kv motors.. i havent broken the frame yet and compared to the mobulus 7 v2 the camera is much better... Thanks for the review Joshua..... great job..
I have the 25k version of the mobula 6. Jesc at 48khz makes a huge difference in battery flight time. I was able to consistently get over 2.5 min at a race this week. motors come down nice and cool. It was fairly easy to do. Just needed to upgrade to BF 4.1 and then Flash with the JESC configuration. the albert kim video walked me through it
I also have a JESC tutorial (just saying) ruclips.net/video/NgBJJG0slM4/видео.html
I Upgraded my Mobula 6 to BF 4.1 and RPM filters with 48Khz. ( I like donating money to Joe for all his work ) It seems to fly fine with stock PIDs. Are there any better PIDs tune for 4.1 ?
Joshua, thanks for the review. I'm assuming the DVR footage is from your goggles as the Mobula 6 doesn't have a onboard DVR, right?
That's right.
Nice edit with great timing. I got my nephew a custom droner build, now he wants a whoop.
Tbs makes a 25k 602 motor that was great for indoor and outdoor acro but the bearing just get beat up quick.
I've crashed this little fellow literally everywhere, it's still alive and I didn't change any part of it, even the small break aren't preventing it from flying. I love it, it's my favourite tiny whoop and I'll likely buy another one. I cannot say the same for its big brother, the 7. That thing is the exact opposite. Really, the rate is almost 1 crash = 1 part broken, preventing to fly again. In comparison, the tiny hawk 2 is unbreakable.
Fun review. Love my whoops, brushless and brushed. Happy flying. 🤓
Thicker (also shorter) wired have less resistance, that applies to the connector pins too. Though they’re so short, maybe the difference is in the thickness and length of the wire behind the connector.
Bardwell, the 25k kv motors on the mobula 6 are definitely not that high. With hard ripping I get 3 min flight time and normal flying like 3.5 and slow I get 4 min. I think they labeled them wrong (or maybe betafpv labeled the 22k kv ones wrong). I think it is definitely worth a shot to try the 25k kv and that is the version I would recommend to people. Please give this a try and prove me wrong!
Don’t make my mistake guys don’t get the 19kv motors it lacks power so when you take tight turns you run out of throttle and power when doing power loops after about 30 seconds you start banging the ground cause it doesn’t have power to stay in the air just get the 25kv and if they are to much for you set a throttle curve tell you get used to more power
I completely agree with you...however i dont sure the mobulus 6 for acro flight.. i just use it for touring around the house.
I have the meteor65 and I can say that it takes a thrashing. I fly in a space like your man cave down there, maybe with a longer straight and I'm on it full tilt and I have not broken a frame yet. Stress point definently but no breaks(buy colored frames, the transparent frame is noticeably weaker). It's just a nice rigid solid build. I do fly the 22000kv and can say it is manageable indoors but I do recommend the 19500kv for the longer flight time. Inside trolling around I get 2-2:30 flight time.
I just feel you're wrong about one thing and that's that betafpv is a way more reliable build and is worth the extra 30 bucks in my opinion. Theres something that wasn't acounted for and it was betafpv motors.i know it was a mobula7 review😅. They have bearings instead of washers and can be repaired if for some reason a lead is broken. I don't believe the motors are rebrands either. There an innovation by betafpv. My one gripe is they need a new material for that canopy. Sure there only $2.50 for a new one but who wants to do that for a canopy like glass. Thinking some flex seal spray on the inside will help it big time.
Any who thank you for you infinite knowledge. Gonna have to pick this guy up and maybe that'll be my 19000kv set up for insode 😁. I'll be sure to use your link.
I use the 20500kv pickle juice Tiny Whoop motors with a bt2.0 connector on a 20.5 gram quad. And really feel like this is the sweet spot.
the mob 6 and the meteor 65 are now the same price because the mob is now more wanted btw beta fpv has a new version of the 65 out and I think you should redo the video with the new one for a comparison.
11:12 LOL look at his T-Shirt and what he says😂
I have too many parts still for my brushed Acrobee Bee Brain Lite to look at a new whoop. I have like 3 frames and 5 sets of motors just for starters. For now I am good thanks!
Thats what I thought with my US65 too. And then I bought this @ 25,000 kv. it's a rocket.
Send them here lol
This was a really great video, Joshua. I loved how you compared the two drones; it was a really fair and honest assessment. As always, I know I can trust the information if it is coming from you (and a tiny group of other RUclipsrs). I disagree with you on a couple of items, though. Not to start an argument, but just to share my viewpoint, I disagreed with you on the KV numbers. I would go for the higher KV motors for both of thesebecause I want the power to get out of trouble if I need it. And I agree that the throttle response on the higher KV motors is twitchy. But, I would resolve that issue with some throttle scaling. We also disagree on the cameras. In terms of resolution, I thought they were pretty even. But, in low light such as on your indoor footage, I thought that the Mobula 6 handled exposure challenges better. For example, when the Meteor 65 was flying straight at a “white” wall, I thought that the highlights were all blown out. The Mobula 6 handled that situation much better. And I think it carries through for both whoops; the way that they handle exposure differs and I think that the camera on the Mobula 6 has better dynamic range, which translates into an easier transition from bright to dark. Just my thoughts, Joshua, and I think that it really boils down to a matter of taste. Thanks, as always, for a really good comparative review. P.S. I thought that both cameras were dreadful outside, so much so that it would be a comparison of bad to more bad. Peace.
Thanks for your review. it helped me decide.
yeah, I'd like to see some of the brushless newbeedrone action.
Damn, I didn't know that the mobula6 had an integrated VTX. I did learn something today.
Well, i'm kinda late to the party. But tecnically speaking, vinyl DOES sound better, since they store the sound analog, which leads to a purer sound. Practically you also need a good soundmachine, because it will only be as good as the weakest link in it.
another thing that nobody is talking about is the difference in motors. BetaFPV has bearings, Happymodel has bushings. Can we talk about this?
i had 2 different tinyhawk s that i have returned because of the esc motor 4 quit working then on the second motor 1 would work intermittently. so calling those garbage IMO. thanks josh!
You got two janky ones I guess.
I just flashed them and they worked
Very strange. My TinyHawk S - 3 month, 3 to 12 takeoffs per day. Works perfect.
Never mind the Mobula6 - that t-shirt is great 👍
Question. The Mobula6 have also the 3 flight modes ( Angle, Horizon, Acro ). Joshua Bardwell you are the MASTER! Keep Up.
They both have the same flight modes.
Was your poor flight times from the meteor partially down to the betaFpv batteries? Or did you try it with some other packs that you changed over to the bt2.0 connector? i found the beta batteries to be trash an i get around an extra minute using GNB packs i changed over to the bt 2.0 personally. I think i remember nick burns mentioning something of that sort in a video of his as well.
What about the UR65. It was the first 65mm brushless whoop. I love it, but am getting a Mobula6. The lighter weight is great. The only thing they need to add, are integrated LEDs. The LEDs on the main board, like the NBD BBLITE are so cool.
Ok but seriously that's a smart ruse cause vinyl is way way undeniably better than digital format sound lol. Obviously. That said I'm waiting for the tech to be good enough for them to make a brushless true micro or nano or whatever is as tiny as those little tiny indoor cheap drones like the jetjat ultra except I want one that flies acro.. I got the mobula 6. It's a great little quad but its still not small enough to be an indoor drone in small tight quarters. Sure if you have a big house its amazing for indoor. But my house is really tiny. Bring on the 25mm quantum quads lol. I'm coining that phrase right now.
watching this video and listening to mr Joshua convinced me into getting the 25.000 KV version LOL :)
My first micros were the cheerson qx10 I believe is the model and the estates proto x. Then the nano qx and inductrix. 🤔 I wouldn't say they sucked. Then I went with the NBD acrobee.....
Vinyl sounds way better than CDs if you have a proper record player and hifi system. Love my vinyl!
To the tiny whoops Bl is the way!
My meteor 65 is soooooo fast! And fly's awesome on Btf4.1! Way better than my inductrix bl.
WOOOOO RDQ has this in a DSMX version!!!!! I don't have to figure out how to solder in my own receiver!
I increased the throttle expo to 75 on the 19KV that makes it more comfortable to fly.
I think I'm going to order the new bee drone. By the way when you made this video you forgot to compare outdoor video samples from the two drones! Indoors the qualities kind of a wash. But that outdoor footage that you showed was just a deal-breaker. That's why I'm off to purchase an acrobee.
Every beta fpv aio board I’ve had has set on fire.
Ya, kickin myself buying 65x with the 2cell a couple months ago, it happens to me everytime. Buy something and then something better comes out. Really though was impatient and had to try a whoop brushless for the first time.
Great video! Very instructive and objective 👌
I bought the mobula 6, and it came with 4 batteries of 1s 300mah 30c, I can use one of 1s 380mah 60c has 0.5g more than the original.
With 2s you have more power, 1s applies for indoor, for outdoor it is boring and if there is wind, then you can not fly. I think whoops 2s for outdoors exist to have the chance to fly them in your neighborhood (responsibly), and know you will not cause any damage if you crash. Fly a 1s outdoors with a little wind and you drain all the battery in less than 1 minute. I really would like a 2s whoop with a decent flight time. For indoors mobula6 is the better option ;)
I disagree that 1S is boring outdoors if you have 22,000 kv motors or higher. I really enjoyed flying the Meteor outdoors and even doing some light acro. But you're right that flight times are short and wind is a problem.
@@JoshuaBardwell The correct word is stressed, with the short fly time in exterior . Speaking about fly time, Joshua do you think this is real www.aguonadrones.com/product-page/copy-of-ur-drone-ultralight-3-race-drone (up to 20 min fly time ?? )
It would be handy if you didn't put a link to the buyer's guide right below the video that didn't include the product. I accidentally bought the Mobula 7 off a link from your webpage instead of the 6 I wanted, because I didn't know better. I know, I should have been paying more attention.
Damn I’ve got the mobula 6 on order, and of course they’re out of stock, so I’m waiting. Now you got me thinking I should have bought the beta model, because I have the crossfire unit in my jumper t16, and I like to be able to fly a bit of distance.
By the way, I’ve recently got the diatone gtr349 with the tbs trx and receiver, after flying with my old spektrum DX6e, what a revelation.
You *really* don't need a crossfire receiver in a whoop that has 25mw vtx.
I ordered the 25000kv one and I'm going to try it with a throttle limit like you showed me how to do with the mobula7. I figured that way if I get into racing and I need more speed I have it
The 48 & 96 khz pwm ecs firmware (jesc or blheli) has extended the flight time on both my meteor 22k and mob6 25k by over a minute.
Meteor 22k gets 3 - 3.5mins
Mob6 25k gets 4 - 4.5mins
The main thing about going up to 2s is it gets more expensive and in turn less flight time.
You right. If it was for reliability mobula 6 would be in my shelf right now.
of course, vinyl sound better but brushless motors sound much better to me then the brushed once
Mmmm, vinyl albums with new 24k gold neddles = eargasm