Zen 5 Is ALMOST HERE! Ryzen 9000 Release Date Leaks
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- Zen 5 Is ALMOST HERE! Ryzen 9000 Release Date Leaks
It seems the wait is almos over for Zen 5, as the release date has seemingly leaked and Ryzen 9000 CPUs are ALMOST HERE! Join us as we examine the Zen 5 release date leaks, as well as touching on the all important discussion of MSRP pricing for the next gen Zen 5 processors, and once again briefly discussing the expected Zen 5 IPC gains. If you're looking for a more depth breakdown of the IPC rumours for Ryzen 9000, check out the video linked in the end card.
We also discuss Xbox Next, AKA the next gen Xbox console that will challenge the PS6, as Jez Corden points towards Microsoft's next gen Xbox conosle being a "reference device" with a heavy Windows influence. But what does this actually mean for Xbox gamers? And could this mean that the next gen Xbox console development being lead by the Surface team is true?
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0:00 Start
0:02 Intro
0:41 Zen 5 release date leaks?
2:48 But what about Zen 5 IPC gains?
3:20 Xbox Next
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Definitely getting zen 5x3D :)
2025 H2
Me too, but the sad truth is as the other commenter stated. We are going to have to wait a long time to be able to buy the zen 5x3D.
Maybe not a whole year.....fingers crossed. But probably not far from that. If the regular zen 5 is selling bad because we all are waiting for the real deal, maybe we can get it sooner than that though.
I’m hoping they release a cheap 7600x3D for me to jump onto the AM5 platform.
@@cajampa It'll come after Turin-X. The X3D parts are binned server parts so once AMD starts selling Turin-X in volume and gathers enough failed dies to make them, they'll release.
@@riven4121 Yeah, good point.
Finally I may actually be able to play late game Stellaris with the Ryzen 9950X3D.
At 25 FPS
For X3D you have to wait a little longer
You mean the Ryzen AI 9 395x3D Mega Plus?
@AgentMetalKid You obviously never had to deal with the late game lag in Stellaris, especially modded Stellaris.
You actually do need that level of compute to deal with all of the calculations of the Resource Producing Pops.
I've been waiting patiently for this
I like the idea of what you said about injecting Ray tracing into Zelda along with that HDR tech that nvidia made. Bringing back old games into the modern world is super appealing to me especially since so many AAA titles are dog ass so we can enjoy the old classics once again.
Dude, did you get that this is real thing we are doing already, right?
Because it sound like you did not get it, it is not a new idea, Zelda can be ran with Ray tracing right now. And Mario 64 for example and more....
If you haven't explored what can be done in emulators with improving good old games to give them more quality than how they ran when they where released on OG hardware.
You need to start exploring this space, because it is massive and have been for a very long time.
Me saving money to buy a zen 5 cpu and rdna 4 gpu... my car be like : yeah I just broke and its gonna cost 2000$ to fix it. Me : FFS
In theory a faster gaming console could go with higher bandwidth and more processing or flip the CPU/gpu centric approach on it's head and have a memory/processor bandwidth based system.
Imagine a game console with the video memory tiled out into blocks and those blocks matched with gpu processing power and a CPU/gpu shared memory block for game logic/mechanics and inputs.
Removing the CPU/GPU bus time and memory latency altogether.
Is this Chat-GPT 2?
I think a "work" mode on any gaming console would be a critical miscalculation.
Reminds me of the Xbox launch where they spent half of the time hyping up it's TV capabilities that nobody asked for.
ok so new Zen5 minipc for Christmas ... sweet
We need the 9000 series CPU's and X800 series motherboards for them, for our 5090's! Thumbs up.
0:54 no Paul you actually got the “liang” pronunciation right 😊 I have no idea how to say “aoostar” tho. 🤔
I'm excited for new 870 motherboards. 550/570 had great boards. All the 650/670, at least available currently in US, suck. Where's the Unify X, Tachyon, or Gene (discontinued)?
Great News!!!😅
I don't think "the big brand" means AMD. I think AMD launches at Computex - but "big brand" OEMs, ie. HP, Dell, Lenovo, etc. are selling systems in August.
Yeah but don't they usually get Ryzen Pro variants of the cpus?
That's my take too
@@VoldoronGaming Ryzen Pro usually launches same time or within a quarter after consumer. Depends what the priority is and production allocation
Jesus, it's almost here for 5 months, this is torture.
hoping for 9600x3d or the 9600x has 8 cores.
There won't be a 6 cores X3D it's 8 core minimum per CCD.
I'm really hoping to get my son a strix point laptop. Assuming it's cheaper than a 4050 laptop.
Same. His old laptop's keyboard is failing, and we're holding on for dear life.
@@Selloutsatirist
If it dies early, you can always use a cheap USB keyboard for a short time.
Strix Point isn't chiplet, so AMD is labeling it as a "premium" SKU. Notebooks with the 12c/16 CU variant will likely be north of $1300 USD. There's talk of a 10 core version but AMD hasn't confirmed it will ship as Strix Point or something else.
So you're looking to get your son a gaming laptop?
A low end gaming laptop/general use
Intel will play another round of catch up!! Double the watts less performance 🥶🥶
Ooofh, they are already heating houses at this point, anymore and they will need to sell AC systems with the cpu.
Rip Intel. The only saving thing about Intel is the advanced extreme memory tuning but I don't have time for that anymore.
Maybe quicksync is another reason to buy too but most gpus have good encoders nowadays
@@GoonyMclinux The surface team: 3 red rings is good right?!
I want Arrow lake for the PCIe lanes and Zen5 for the performance
If their A18 node gets any kind of yield and success, they will have a very good foundation. TSMC is a bit behind with back side power delivery, so AMD will have to wait, perhaps even another year, because apple will buy all TSMCs production at first as always.
Yeah what's the date
Is there going to be new Chipsets and Mobos along with Ryzen 9000 ???
Nobody seems to say anything about that.
And if there are going to be.
Then AMD better NOT name them with the number " 8 ", cause that will be the same as Intel's 800 series chipsets.
AMD better use A720, B750, B750E, X770 and X770E for the naming, otherwise they'll completely match Intel's names.
And that would be really really stupid and will only create confusion aswell.
Dude...have you seen the naming for their new Ai cpus? They are naming those cpus similarly to what intel is doing with their Core branding. AMD can be trusted to do boneheaded stuff like that and call it "marketing".
Yeah, only previous gen mobos 670E B650 will support it.
Zen 4 was AMD 600 chipset B650, X670, X670E etc
Zen 5 will be AMD 700 chipset: B750, X770, X770E etc.
Zen 6 will be AMD 800 chipset: B850, X870, X870E etc.
So if I am understanding this correctly Microsoft is licensing out Xbox for OEMs like ASUS, HP etc, to make their own consoles?
A games machine that you can use for work? Sounds like... a pc. Windows S reborn?
The Surface is the Zune of tablets
So let me get this straight, according to latest leaks 9800x3d will have same L2 and L3 cache, same or in some cases even lower clock speeds, same amount of cores per CCD and just minor IPC lift. Feels like AMD is gona be sandbagging on zen5. And coz Intel is having problems we might see prices go up for the team red cpus. First noticeable improvements are expected to be on zen6. But I hope I am wrong and the upgrade from 7800x3d will be worth upgrading to 9800x3d
Traditionally the Companies will intentionally sell the console at a loss and make it up on game sales.
By outsourcing console sales, they side step both that loss period and any potential warranty issues.
The problem for MS is that can never sustain sales long enough within a generation to raise margins while selling at same launch price.
In Year 1 they lose the most. As components get cheaper, the initial price allows for better profits. By Year 5, GP margins can actually double.
This is why Nintendo is killing it right now. They make mad cash on Switch consoles. Nintendo's costs have gone down for 7 years straight. Nintendo will make more on each individual Switch console than they ever have in the past.
I'm still surprised MS stayed in as long as they have, but to lose so much revenue after 20+ years of trying says a lot about their failed strategy.
Don't take "loss" literally, the only thing they're losing is the difference between what the manufacturer imagines the price could be and reality. If a console costs $200, and they want to sell at $600 but the market will only pay $450, the profit is still $250, but they think they're losing $600 - $450 = $150.
@@shanent5793 Let me calculate this for you....The Xbox series X APU cost AMD $65.00 to make. The GDDR6 cost $112-128...which AMD sells to Microsoft for 80% margin or $318-$347. PCB is a bit larger than a GPU pcb so say 40.00 for the PCB, $40 for the ssd, $25 for the drive...and $175 for the cooling/case solution....so a total bom cost of an XBOX is somewhere in the $598-$627.00 range. It says Microsoft loses around $100 on the console sale and $200 on the Xbox Series S...
Of course this is assuming AMD is making 80% margin on the APU/vram kit which the BOM cost of $598-$627 for the entire system seems to indicate that is the case.
So if microsoft license out the XBOX as a reference design to OEMS your next xbox is not going to cost $499. It will cost probably $649-699...which is now approaching a budget gaming pc. For example to build an equivalent Xbox Series X as a gaming computer(and one component is not even new...ryzen 2600x is like $36.00 on aliexpress) is around $782.00...motherboard, cpu, ram, power supply, GPU(RX 6700 is the Xbox series X GPU), heatsink/fan, ssd, and case
Nintendo Switch costs $257 to manufacture in 2024. That one rang my bell bc the Switch is 7 yo.
Considering the core config for chiplets are the same, I don't think it's any secret that AMD will launch the 4 main parts at the same time, 6C, 8C, 12C, 16C. No need to ruffle any feathers over that one. The ONLY thing that would be in question is when they release 3D parts, but I suspect AMD will have almost all its entire line before the holiday shopping period, beginning of Nov. Now, I don't think AMD is going to do with Zen 5 what they did with Zen 3, where they kept putting out more skus even more than 2 years later. That will probably happen with Zen 6 which will most likely be the last line on AM5, and also be the big seller for AM5 just like Zen 3 was for AM4.
Zen 6 is going to be a big deal. Zen 5 is going to be better than Zen 4 but still subject to the same issues of the current MCM architecture which will never be fast enough unless it's insanely over-engineered to overcome data transfer speeds on a PCB (chiplet has to transfer data onto a PCB, across runs to get to another chiplet), THEN go through a multiplexer (infinity fabric), THEN get transmitted to the chiplet it's supposed to go to unless the chiplet is the IOD, and undergo two data conversions to make this happen, parallel to serial and then serial to parallel. So, Zen 6 moves to direct connects between chiplets and gets rid of ALL that, no need to covert data as direct connects are very effective handling parallel data just as it is on-die.
Zen 6 is where the FULL potential of chiplets is realized with AMD. I believe Intel started with direct connects so they're going to be fine right away with what they're doing, and I can't wait to see what Arrow Lake brings to the desktop. Those are the two products I'm REALLY waiting to see, Arrow Lake and Zen 6. I'm buying one or the other, upgrading from a 5800X3D.
As a side note moving to direct connects means you don't have to stack cache. You could have an L3 chiplet, and in fact that L3 chiplet could be a shared pool of cache between ALL cores on any core chiplet. This is what I'm hoping AMD does with Zen 6 which will mean CPUs with extra L3 can have cores that aren't slowed down.
What do you mean "never fast enough?" these are the fastest chips on the market as it is. Sending data directly between chiplets is hardly the common case so there's no point spending so many resources on it.
Yes I am suspecting the same this time around. AM5 will last for 3 generations not 4 like AM4, which was a huge success for the company. IMO, they should do the same with AM5 by making the socket last 4 generations but by the time DDR6 comes out it will require a new platform since Ryzen 6 is designed with DDR5 in mind. People forget that each new cpu generation that comes out was in design the previous year....for example when the Ryzen 5000 series came out Ryzen 7000 series was in design phase.
As for AM4...my daughter needs to upgrade since her computer is an old dell precision T5400. I can build her a ryzen 2600x with a b450 motherboard and ram for around $130.00 and when she saves some money her upgrade from that will be a 5800X3D. No need for a new motherboard or ram. Sweet! The only thing she will need is a new case and powersupply(since the dell is proprietary) and for that I am going corsair 4000d airflow and a 650 watt corsair fully modular PSU...the only thing she is bringing from her old system is her 980 Ti...the only modern game she plays is Ark Survival Evolved so she doesn't need a new gpu...total build cost will be around $450.00 with new motherboard, used cpu, new ram, new psu, new case, NVME ssd, and some case fans(It is called an Airflow case after all so need some airflow) and I already have a deepcool Neptwin V3 cooler new in box which will be plenty of cooling for the 2600x...I understand Ryzen 2 is not a great overclocker.
@@shanent5793 Dude the current MCM architecture affects MEMORY transfers, not just dual core chiplet CPUs, and it depends what you're doing. If you think running an all-core app isn't affected by data having to move from a core chiplet by data being converted to serial, transmitted to the IF, transmitted to the other core chiplet, then converted back to parallel doesn't affect performance I don't know what to tell you. Yes it does and we'll agree to disagree.
For MEMORY, Zen 4 can handle up to about 3GHz on the transfers between the IOD and CCDs, this effectively limits memory to 6GT/s. Yes, you CAN buy faster kits and get them to run at those higher speeds but it doesn't help performance because the IF can only deal with around 3GHz as a top speed. The infinity fabric is the conversion circuits on the core chiplets along with the transmitters/receivers, then the pathway to the IOD (runs on the PCB), the transmitters/receivers on the IOD and then the multiplexer on the IOD. Changing all that out to direct connects which AMD IS DOING so apparently THEY understand their issues with it, to having only transmitters/recievers and the physical connections between the chiplets without ever touching the PCB is going to not only give a good 5 - 10% boost, but being able to run memory speeds much faster will also give a decent boost.
The IF was fast enough for Zen 2 - 3, but it's not even fast enough for Zen 4 and the memory limitation shows it more than anything else, but my guess would be the crappy 8GB/s CPU-chipset speed that AMD has had since 2019, where they beat Intel to 8GB/s but Intel has since moved on to 16GB/s is ALSO due to the IF.
And yes OF COURSE direct connects aren't the common case. CHIPLETS weren't the common case until AMD put out Zen 2, so technology is ALWAYS changing and what used to not exist but exists now, means there are millions of things that weren't the "common case" so what kind of a statement is THAT? Intel is using direct connects for their tiles, and they're already making CPUs with tiles at least for laptop.
The fact is there are now companies that can fabricate direct connects between die. AMD has that with their RDNA 3 GPUs for the mid and upper tier parts between the GCD and the MCDs. So, it's GOING to become common.
@@VoldoronGaming Yes, DDR6 will be available even when Zen 6 comes out, not in enough quantity for desktop but it will be in production. AMD NEEDS to move to DDR6 to be able to add more cores, or really threads to desktop CPUs because according to AMD going above 32 threads starts to starve cores of data from memory when doing heavily threaded and memory intensive tasks, and even though DDR5 spec goes up to 8400, well, that gain is not going to give the ability for more cores, 8400 only keeps up with the improvements to Zen 6 over Zen 4, and you'd really HAVE to have overclocked (by the company) DRAM to allow for more threads, but AMD can't make parts based on overclocking. They have to make CPUs based on the specs for DDR5.
So, Zen 7 almost has to be on AM6. DDR5 will limit it too much, based on the specs of DDR5 once again, not seriously overclocked DDR5 coming out of the factories which does happen.
@@johndoh5182 are you for real? I didn't say anything about direct connects or dual core chiplets.
If anyone proposed switching to a completely different interconnect and fabrication process for only a 5-10% boost they would have been laughed out of the meeting. Any new interconnect will still be serialized, only the physical layer changes from organic PCBs to Si.
"Common case" refers to real-world workloads, and not to pathological cases deliberately designed to stomp on the other cores' cache lines. Actually accessing the data on another core or chiplet isn't as important as being able to quickly probe whether another core has already accessed that address. Having this cohérence logic in the IOD has worked well enough compared to the competition, despite the much larger caches which theoretically have a slower access time.
The IF is hardly a bottleneck. Even at 2000MHz a single CCD can read 32B and write 16B per cycle, which adds up to 94GB/s, enough for two channels of DDR5-6000.
The chipset bandwidth has more to do with PCIe capabilities. Intel has simply allocated more lanes to the chip set at the expense of the regular PCIe connectivity. The EPYC 4004 CPUs show that those chipset lanes can be reconfigured as PCIe 5.0 x4 lanes with the same bandwidth as Intel's DMI 4.0 x8. Chipset peripherals are usually low-end like SATA and Wi-fi interfaces so I'm not bothered if they just go away.
Referring to RDNA3 doesn't help your case. MCDs connect to a central GPU die, not to each other. The topology is equivalent to the current Zen architectures, only with wider serial links.
Hold my memory context restore
I bought the 7950x the day it launched, i still havent completed my build. I have no right to even think about the 9000 series.
A stacked Ryze. Chip for improved video performance?
Will RTX 50 be also revealed in computex?
Wouldn't bet on it. "NVIDIA founder and CEO Jensen Huang will deliver a live keynote on June 2 at 7 p.m. Taiwan Time at the NTU Sports Center and will share how the era of AI is driving a new industrial revolution across the globe." I am not expecting any RTX50 announcements before September.
Computex is a tradeshow that focuses heavily on vendors. It's also regional for manufacturers in Asia.
It's unlikely we'll see anything related to retail consumers products. Press attending can always ask about them, but that's when you get the "we'll be making an announcement in [insert month] regarding our brand new [insert product].
I'd bet good money nVidia doesn't even know what they'll offer later this year with 5000 series. One thing is for sure: It will be eye watering expensive based on die size alone. 😵💫
Heard anything on AMD trying to pull off a full 16 core X3D Zen 5? I know it didn't work out for Zen 4, but curious if possible for Zen 5.
Can somebody explain why NPUs aren’t part of GPUs like the tensor, mxm cores in nvidia and intel?
NPU is to GPU what ARM is to X86: They offer greater performance from less power.
GPUs were originally designed for 3D graphics because they perform complex calculations very fast. A single frame must be generated in less than 17ms to maintain 60 fps. This requires massively parallel processors to do all that math in near real time. If that requirement no longer exists (as with AI) software can allow GPUs to be used for machine learning with trillions of operations per sec, it's just not that efficient. NPUs are purpose designed for neural network processing and don't require the same extra software layer to assist with machine learning cycles. They also consume a fraction of a fraction of what's required by GPUs.
Notice all the AI marketing is primarily focused on smartphones & mobile computing? NPUs allow any mobile PC to run models locally and accelerate performance. A typical mobile APU with NPU can use BOTH it's NPU & CPU for ML, which is considerably better than NPU or CPU alone.
Before you ask: NPUs are not well suited for 3D graphics, but can still assist with in-game ML that might normally load a CPU, so NPUs have a benefit in gaming, but it will be a few years before we're comparing NPU benchmarks for gaming.
@@ToeCutter0 Can you rephrase that while taking into account tensor and mxm cores?
Armv9 and AMD64 are instruction sets. The difference is what compiler you use and wether you use neon, sve2, sse2, avx512. Power does not come into it.
A GPU can use 1 watt like Nintendo switch or 450 watt like 4090. An NPU in a datacenter can probably also use 300 watt.
I don't think power usage is the difference. They have been used to reduce power so that the big gpu can stay off so that is a win. But you could build the big gpu in such a way that only the tensor cores activate.
Seems like the old trick of bringing back that work spreadsheet back in video games?
I dont understand the logic behind announcing zen 5 in computex and then you will be able to buy the cpus around 3-4 months later
Hype, marketing, generating buzz, etc etc
It's in Taipai, where TSMC actually manufactures them for AMD. Partners need love too.
16 core cpus for xbox
Doesn’t matter if there are no games on the new xbox
The same surface team who fail year after year to improve the device, heat management and have an inability to put the highly requested 4G/5G modem in the device? This is going to be a disaster on the level of 3 red rings!
They don't care. They just take Intel's bribe money 🤣
Do I get to type "first"?
Yes.
I don’t think anyone can stop you
Strix halo release date
Will it have strix halo apu or a pathetic 780m?
amd amd amd
If x3d doesn't come out in october it will be useless...
I just want to game and its all that matters.
I'm afraid you gonna have to wait until 2025 April.
September/Oct is when Ryzen 9000 series are out.
Xbox "Tablet"?? Hmmm, interesting.
There will be many, many new Xbox's.
Games sell consoles not hardware. Microsoft should worry about getting some actual compelling next gen looking games out on it's platform rather then strategising on how the hardware is going to be managed.
On the whole this generation has been an absolute dud for gamers. Crappy, broken triple AAA games, same old tried franchises, no innovation coupled with prices hikes. Both Microsoft and Sony make a great case for people to buy a PC (after all what is a console these days, it's just a locked down PC) and get a Nintendo Switch so you can play some genuinely fun and original titles.
20%? Come on!...
Every year it's 20+%
Until launch.
And then it's 5-10%...
It's been like this for over 20 years.
Hopefully Zen 6 will be something different, because they're rumoured to completely overhaul the architecture, no more Zen 2 based chips
Hope they get released at the same time as the nvidia 50 cards. I can’t wait
This is going to be an ugly bloodbath for intel.
WTG AMD! Keeping prices low, not gouging and inflating their price tags while making top of the line products. Keeping with this philosophy will be a constant add to their customer base and keep them in business. Nvidia...what? who?
mb
Much ado about nothing.
More portable handheld PCs.
Zen 5 will be a paper launch
Why? Do you think the IO die or the processor chiplets will be scarce due to low yield?
There are no news or rumors that suggest this.
Zen 5 might be hard to get at launch but only because the demand is high, not because supply is low.
A paper launch is a launch with no product in the sales pipeline or so little that almost nobody actually gets one. The Tesla Cybertruck is a recent example.
Ryzen 9000 is not until next year unless they changed their minds about the "7 - 8 - 9" scheme intro'd with Zen4...
Ryzen 9000 is this year 2024 Q4
Ryzen 9000 X3D is next year 2025 Q1
@@winnb4968 We'll see... I predict Granite Ridge will be 8950X, Fire Range will be 8945HX...
AMD presented a slide way back that showed that 2024 client chips will mainly be called 8000... That's why Hawk Point is 8000... It came out in 2024...
There's a rumor that APUs will diverge with Strix and be called Ryzen AI, but it's not clear what kind of NPU desktops will get...
The AI branding is for Windows... They may put a slower XDNA NPU in desktops but WE'LL SEE...
@@ChristianHowell7000 launched in 2022. 8000 in 2023 (in q4 ai event). 9000 will launch 2024.
@@blegi1245 No... Why is Hawk Point 8000...? Cause it was released in 2024...
@@blegi1245 Obviously I read the slide wrong.. I'm watching th Computex and yes, it's 9000, which is weird because that means only Hawk Point gets 8000...
the "haaardwaare" of the next xshite platform is going to be irrelevant yet again because they only release shit games
CPUs are becoming less and less umportant these days. Besides AI models even applications like browsers prefer to run on the GPU. AMD and intel have to rethink their strategy in future. And especially intel needs to invest into GPUs or they risk to crash and stay behind even further.
I gave you a thumbs down for obvious reasons like say in previous videos that ryzen 5 could have 30 or even 40% IPC. Next time I see a video talking about IPC of future processors I'll give it an instant thumbs down. If you don't know just shut up and don't talk nonsense.
All the Intel haters here never even had a CPU but act like they know everything about them.
Intel Arrow Lake > AMD Zen 5
Don't hold your breath.
Until the CPU degrades
NEVER !!!
7800X3D > Zen 5 in gaming.
Hahaha, we'll see.
and....... another chance for AMD to fumble the ball..... Big cheer for the underdog that from open goal finds a way to shoot itself in the stomach, fumble the ball and ends up scoring another own goal with a better product when they try to sell it at the same ridiculous prices as Nvidia and Intel.