It's splitsville for Wheezy today! What chaos is hidden inside our wounded single port VW engine? We'll take a look and figure out what to do next. #vdubrun23 #hardtimesenginebuild
You know ---- just had fun watching you tear it down ---- seeing what you came up with ----- and to see what exactly went wrong to cause all the end play and side movement ---- It was interesting ----- Have a Good 4th ------------ Thank you ----- Rodney
Took my engine to the mechanic for a rebuild and showed me exactly the same thing that happened to your case, he used the flashlight to see the inside gap and pretty much told me what you said, the case is toast. Thanks for sharing.
Excellent video! I have done this a zillion times but you still made it fun to watch. You were right on target for the things to look for. Good instruction for newer ones.
Thanks Rick! It's as ugly as expected in there but still fascinating to discover what happens in one of these great little engines. On a side note, your comments have been the highlight of my day!
Wheezy engine archaeology was fun to watch. I've been here on several engines I've taken apart just to see what the condition was but, this was much worse that what I've come across. Mind you, I've torn apart maybe just a dozen over the years.
Thanks @oldbugssy , glad to share. This one was pretty bad, but I think these engine teardowns usually have nasty surprises when the engine is unfamiliar. Still a ton of fun to take a look!
Great tear down video. It’s not as bad as I expected but there’s definitely some major drama inside. From the video, the case may be salvageable of the center web could be cleaned up so it sat flush.
Thanks Gary but I'm scared to know what you expected! The #2 main web is a tough one, everything I've heard/read involve big complications. On the bright side, it's a good opportunity to take risks!
Full disclosure- we've moved past that step but I like the idea for an experiment someday. Not sure how cam bores 1 & 3 would be refreshed afterwards? Desperate times call for desperate measures!
haha, awesome stuff! This case is giving me some flashbacks from my own case drama, although yours wins the oscar for best dramatic performance. Can't wait to see what comes next!
Indeed, Wheezy has a flair for the dramatic (cue John Lovitz waving his hand and proclaiming "Acting!"). We won't get a great engine out of it but there's still some lessons and fun to be had here. Always great to hear from you Annie!
Absolutely @13badbrad1 , I'm happy with the fun of doing and learning something along the way. I have better parts around for when I need guarantees. Thanks for the encouragement!
Thanks for sharing. I just bought an engine block from the swap meet and need to open it up to investigate. Now I know what to look for thanks to your video🎉
Thanks SanDiego, congrats on finding a project block. It's a great idea to look but I hope you don't find these issues. Good luck and let us know how it goes!
Thanks @plymouths1 glad you enjoyed the video. We found a lot of things we hope to avoid on serious builds, so I hope your next teardown goes better than this. Good luck and let us know how it goes!
Wow; that poor thing was pounding EVERYWHERE!!! Good thing that Motorav, an OEM VW supplier in Brazil makes new AS41 magnesium alloy cases and offers them under their name now.
@@vayabroder729 Yeah, I remember $300 cases in the mid 90's. I finally bought a new case when they went on sale for $700 several years ago and thought I was taking a gamble!
The destroyed case may still have a use. I cut out the bearing saddles and made a tool (clamp) to hold the crank in place to check clearances for building a stroker engine.
Just wondering if the center main could be milled out and a slim piece of aluminum could be placed in the void. Held in by jb weld on one side. Just a thought. Ive never seen it done. At this point most would give up on the case. Great video
Interesting idea @troyhiett1885 (desperate times call for desperate measures). I'm not sure how much that area moves during heat cycles. We know it absorbs a ton of force from all directions while the crankshaft rotates, so whatever held a shim in place would have to bear that burden. I agree most would give up on this case for good reason; it won't ever be the basis of a good engine. Only good for crazy ideas now, thanks for watching!
@@HapticGarage i read where someone suggested removing the studs and flat milling the case halves. I thought about it wouldnt that just give you 7 mil. clearance everywhere? Its not like the bearings are going to shrink. Thanks again
1:46 Haven't seen the rest of the video yet, but that looks like the copper layer of a tri-metal bearing. Looks like a floor sweeper motor. Hard to see on the video, but it looks like the #2 main web has been sliding between the case halves. Use it along with all the junk parts you can find and build a motor for an engine blow at the next car show. 20:00 yep.
@@HapticGarage FYI, Just for practice I welded a crack in the #2 main web once, and the heat closed the gap between the case halves and shrunk the bearing journal. Align bore and it was in spec again. Wouldn't recommend it for something you wanted to last though.
That's cool @bedlamite42 , and I hear ya about the measured expectations. There's a lot about this exercise that is from the same angle- go ahead and try crazy things for the learning experience. Win, lose, or draw it's interesting to see what happens. Thanks for sharing!
Good video but not sure this would be a financially wise decision for people maybe if needing to be #’s matching but I am sure you will make great content with it.
Thanks @kyridgejumper and I agree- this is not an engine case worthy of financial investment. I'll use it to experiment and practice but I hope our evaluation helps others see their situation clearly when deciding on a builder. I'm guessing the eventual results will speak for themselves. Thanks again for the supportive comment!
Hi @mamabearandpapabear4689 ! Mixing one case half with another would be difficult to make work because they are matched sets (mating surfaces, crank & cam bores, and probably more). This case has disqualifying problems on both halves but we'll see what we can do just for fun. I wouldn't call this a good case for a serious rebuild. Thanks for watching!
Hi Brent 🇺🇸, Interesting video, it's a surprise packet that engine, hopefully, you manage to give to a new life in the proper way. Greetings, Hubertus👍🏻🙏🏻🇳🇴🇳🇱☮
Thanks Hubertus, and yes this case is full of terminal problems. We'll see if we can learn more about the process and have some fun with it. Always good to hear from you!
yep that engine was a miss match from every bits and pieces laying around in the previous owner his garage. to bad that you can't use it, but you can try things out on it.
Yeah Jeff, you put it nicely. It's a mess like I've never seen before but it's easier to take risks when there's nothing to lose! Thanks for chiming in, always good to hear from you.
A good shop Can line this thing up as far as serviceable life if well built it might live with lite use NOT hi Speed and not long Duration not worth rebuilding for Sale Hello Grand-Ma
You could be right @claycoates5056 about the lite use, it will be fun to see what is possible with a case that is so badly compromised. I'll try the machining myself and won't have to cry over it if something goes wrong. Thanks for watching!
You know ---- just had fun watching you tear it down ---- seeing what you came up with ----- and to see what exactly went wrong to cause all the end play and side movement ---- It was interesting ----- Have a Good 4th ------------ Thank you ----- Rodney
Cool, glad you enjoyed it @rscruiser3533 This stuff is fun to do and fun to share. Happy Independence Day to you and yours!
Ton's of information and load of fun ! Thank you !
You bet Neal, fun to learn this stuff and better to share. Thanks for watching!
Took my engine to the mechanic for a rebuild and showed me exactly the same thing that happened to your case, he used the flashlight to see the inside gap and pretty much told me what you said, the case is toast. Thanks for sharing.
Excellent video! I have done this a zillion times but you still made it fun to watch. You were right on target for the things to look for. Good instruction for newer ones.
Thanks Rick! It's as ugly as expected in there but still fascinating to discover what happens in one of these great little engines. On a side note, your comments have been the highlight of my day!
Wheezy engine archaeology was fun to watch. I've been here on several engines I've taken apart just to see what the condition was but, this was much worse that what I've come across.
Mind you, I've torn apart maybe just a dozen over the years.
Thanks @oldbugssy , glad to share. This one was pretty bad, but I think these engine teardowns usually have nasty surprises when the engine is unfamiliar. Still a ton of fun to take a look!
Great tear down video. It’s not as bad as I expected but there’s definitely some major drama inside. From the video, the case may be salvageable of the center web could be cleaned up so it sat flush.
Thanks Gary but I'm scared to know what you expected! The #2 main web is a tough one, everything I've heard/read involve big complications. On the bright side, it's a good opportunity to take risks!
Brent, just pull all the studs and flat sand the case before you line bore. Got nothing to lose.
Full disclosure- we've moved past that step but I like the idea for an experiment someday. Not sure how cam bores 1 & 3 would be refreshed afterwards? Desperate times call for desperate measures!
haha, awesome stuff! This case is giving me some flashbacks from my own case drama, although yours wins the oscar for best dramatic performance. Can't wait to see what comes next!
Indeed, Wheezy has a flair for the dramatic (cue John Lovitz waving his hand and proclaiming "Acting!"). We won't get a great engine out of it but there's still some lessons and fun to be had here. Always great to hear from you Annie!
Solid content. I had a 73 Beetle when I was 17, great little car, I just could not work on it then.
Thanks @dmann1209 , sounds like a great car for a 17 year old. I'm sure there are plenty of cool memories.
Keep at it! You’ll get a good one eventually.
Absolutely @13badbrad1 , I'm happy with the fun of doing and learning something along the way. I have better parts around for when I need guarantees. Thanks for the encouragement!
Thanks for sharing. I just bought an engine block from the swap meet and need to open it up to investigate. Now I know what to look for thanks to your video🎉
Thanks SanDiego, congrats on finding a project block. It's a great idea to look but I hope you don't find these issues. Good luck and let us know how it goes!
An internal pipe wrench makes taking the oil filler off much easier. EMPI sells one. Ora good hardware store
Oh that's cool. Looks like AA has them, thanks for the tip!
The internal pipe wrench tool is the best tool for removing the oil filler nut. Glad I bought years ago.
Great video! I like how you explained what to look for as well as what we were looking at. Thanks
Thanks @matthewchilders5263 , I could talk about this stuff all day and I'm glad to do it! Thanks for watching and the supportive comment!
This video reminds me of engine cases I took apart years ago.
Thanks @vintage76 I hope it didn't bring back bad memories! Thanks for watching
Walking through the whole inspection was interesting and I did learn a few areas to look at the next time I tear down a case, really great video.
Thanks @plymouths1 glad you enjoyed the video. We found a lot of things we hope to avoid on serious builds, so I hope your next teardown goes better than this. Good luck and let us know how it goes!
JB weld?! Lol Maybe they didn’t forget to torque the main studs, just over time vibration wear and tear?. Some things broke free.
Wow; that poor thing was pounding EVERYWHERE!!! Good thing that Motorav, an OEM VW supplier in Brazil makes new AS41 magnesium alloy cases and offers them under their name now.
You have that right, @vayabroder729 this poor case is beat. I'm glad those new cases are available but.... the price! Good to hear from you again!
@@HapticGarage You are right! Like $1,500.00! I remember when new OEM VW Mexico or Brazil cases were $250.00
@@vayabroder729 Yeah, I remember $300 cases in the mid 90's. I finally bought a new case when they went on sale for $700 several years ago and thought I was taking a gamble!
For the thrust I've seen people also use a metal ring when they were badly worn , like a oil control ring
The destroyed case may still have a use. I cut out the bearing saddles and made a tool (clamp) to hold the crank in place to check clearances for building a stroker engine.
Just wondering if the center main could be milled out and a slim piece of aluminum could be placed in the void. Held in by jb weld on one side. Just a thought. Ive never seen it done. At this point most would give up on the case. Great video
Interesting idea @troyhiett1885 (desperate times call for desperate measures). I'm not sure how much that area moves during heat cycles. We know it absorbs a ton of force from all directions while the crankshaft rotates, so whatever held a shim in place would have to bear that burden. I agree most would give up on this case for good reason; it won't ever be the basis of a good engine. Only good for crazy ideas now, thanks for watching!
@@HapticGarage i read where someone suggested removing the studs and flat milling the case halves. I thought about it wouldnt that just give you 7 mil. clearance everywhere? Its not like the bearings are going to shrink. Thanks again
1:46 Haven't seen the rest of the video yet, but that looks like the copper layer of a tri-metal bearing.
Looks like a floor sweeper motor. Hard to see on the video, but it looks like the #2 main web has been sliding between the case halves.
Use it along with all the junk parts you can find and build a motor for an engine blow at the next car show. 20:00 yep.
Good catch @bedlamite42, stay tuned!
@@HapticGarage FYI, Just for practice I welded a crack in the #2 main web once, and the heat closed the gap between the case halves and shrunk the bearing journal. Align bore and it was in spec again. Wouldn't recommend it for something you wanted to last though.
That's cool @bedlamite42 , and I hear ya about the measured expectations. There's a lot about this exercise that is from the same angle- go ahead and try crazy things for the learning experience. Win, lose, or draw it's interesting to see what happens. Thanks for sharing!
Good video but not sure this would be a financially wise decision for people maybe if needing to be #’s matching but I am sure you will make great content with it.
Thanks @kyridgejumper and I agree- this is not an engine case worthy of financial investment. I'll use it to experiment and practice but I hope our evaluation helps others see their situation clearly when deciding on a builder. I'm guessing the eventual results will speak for themselves. Thanks again for the supportive comment!
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Can the "good" side be paired with another half and line-bored? Or total loss?
Hi @mamabearandpapabear4689 ! Mixing one case half with another would be difficult to make work because they are matched sets (mating surfaces, crank & cam bores, and probably more). This case has disqualifying problems on both halves but we'll see what we can do just for fun. I wouldn't call this a good case for a serious rebuild. Thanks for watching!
Hi Brent 🇺🇸, Interesting video, it's a surprise packet that engine, hopefully, you manage to give to a new life in the proper way. Greetings, Hubertus👍🏻🙏🏻🇳🇴🇳🇱☮
Thanks Hubertus, and yes this case is full of terminal problems. We'll see if we can learn more about the process and have some fun with it. Always good to hear from you!
yep that engine was a miss match from every bits and pieces laying around in the previous owner his garage.
to bad that you can't use it, but you can try things out on it.
Yeah I think you're right '55. Not a good case but a great excuse to experiment! Thanks for always being here.
@@HapticGarage yw
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Thanks @jackwood8307 !
Sketch stuff inside there
Yeah Jeff, you put it nicely. It's a mess like I've never seen before but it's easier to take risks when there's nothing to lose! Thanks for chiming in, always good to hear from you.
Talk about carnage
Yeah, it's ugly in there. Seen some hard days!
20:28 Throw all the junk bits in to it, and maybe slap a little trubo on it, an let er eat?
I don't have a turbo laying around but I have plenty of everything else on your list! Thanks for watching @BurchellAtTheWarf
@@HapticGarage well might be able to find one half cheap at a scrapper? I don't know, just a thought fer some budget funny 🤣
@@BurchellAtTheWharf That would indeed be funny and I'd be game to try. I have some slightly better parts for a project like that
@@HapticGarage I would think so, I hear that a loose motor is a good boost motor, let's every have enough swell for the "higher" temps and pressures
@@BurchellAtTheWharf Makes sense about the temps, but the higher output power would loosen things up too, possibly into the next ZIP code!
Why do people put engines back together like that! 🤦♂️
A good shop Can line this thing up as far as serviceable life if well built it might live with lite use NOT hi Speed and not long Duration not worth rebuilding for Sale
Hello Grand-Ma
You could be right @claycoates5056 about the lite use, it will be fun to see what is possible with a case that is so badly compromised. I'll try the machining myself and won't have to cry over it if something goes wrong. Thanks for watching!
Wait, your actually going to build a motor on this case? Really? Well okay, have fun.
Hi @masbeetleboy9169 , don't want to get ahead of myself on intentions but we'll keep playing with this mess while it's still fun.