Spider Man: Web of Death - Atop the Fourth Wall
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- Welcome to Atop the Fourth Wall, where bad comics burn. In this episode, Linkara celebrates the 13th anniversary of AT4W with another Clone Saga story!
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Originally released October 31st, 2021.
ORIGINAL DESCRIPTION: Web of padding!
#spiderman #marvel
"Oh, that explains it. You didn't actual fight Spider-man. This is just Peter Parker."
That made me imagine Lex Luthor shouting "You fool! You've captured Clark Kent!"
"We open with our old pal Kane, in the rain, narrating his pain."
So what you're saying is...
*clears throat before singing*
The Kane
In rain
Speaks mainly
About PAIN. ;)
By Stan Lee i think he's got it!!
Kane (singing): I’m paining in the rain. Just paining in the rain. What a brooding feeling how I’m hurt again. Just paining, paining in the rain.
What a inglorious FEELING
I’m happy to DIE
@Mattbrain His PAAAAIN!
His Paaain!
But in Hartford and Hampshire, Harry's heart problems hardly ever happen.
I actually really do like the characterization of Doctor Octopus in this storyline. How he saves Peter for the challenge and inspiration he provides, how he gives the bar owner money for the damages, how he sends flowers to May while she is in the hospital, etc. This portrayal of Ock is classy and even noble... which I honestly dig.
IMO best doc Ock aside from the universe where he stayed as Superior spider man
Doctor Octopus: "I can't believe I have to save Spider-Man's life."
Stunner: "You don't have to."
Doctor Octopus: "No I'm gonna."
Stunner: But why? We owe it to the criminal world.
Doc Ock: I...I don't want to kill Spider-Man what would I do without him? Go back to arguing with grant committees no no no, Spider-Man completes me.
"I'd probably head over to the Fantastic Four and see if there was anything they could do to help."
Well, if One More Day taught us anything, it's that no one in the Marvel universe can heal a bullet wound, so...
Can or won't?
@@DarsiPadilla Yes.
@@TheHeroOfTomorrow I get the meme; but I'm betting won't because Marvel Editorial dictates it to be so.
Plus Reed Richards is pretty much useless when it matters.
If X-Men ever taught us anything, dying is a temporary problem like a flu so maybe that is why Peter didn't bother visiting the FF4 or an actual Doctor. And why bothering learning how to treat a bullet wound when you just can let the person die and be back to normal a few issues later?
It is worse if you are a villain, then it might take a few years before you come back, just ask Doc Oc.
The "Great Continuity!" gag is always appreciated, even after all these years.
Yeah I love it😊
“Something that has far outstayed its welcome and never finishes when it’s supposed to”
Perfect analogy for the Clone Saga but We still love ya Lewis never forget that
And even when the writers wanted to end it, they didn't want it to just "compete with another event for attention" (Like Onslaught event)
@@chadphilistine580 I don’t know as someone who didn’t really read everything in regards to the clone saga there is kind of a surreal hilarity behind seeing just how deep this rabbit hole goes with this storyline
Ironic, how this statement applies to at4w perfectly.
@@chadphilistine580 I mean AT4W has had stumbles nowadays but can we really say it’s so bad it needs to end personally I don’t think so
@@chadphilistine580 you….make no sense 😅
"If you see a dead body in comics, it's usually a sign that it's meant to be permanent"
(begins laughing uncontrollably)
I mean OG Gewn Stacy, Uncle Ben and Jean DeWolf are still dead.
@@Clay3613 How many times has Norman "died"? Doppelganger?
@@michaeliv284 Also A Death in the Family ended with Batman cradling Jason Todd’s corpse only for him to get ressurected
@@michaeliv284 that's because Spider-man CANNOT be happy
I love the fact that not only did Doctor Octopus cure Peters's deadly illness but he also cured Peter's emoness
A good brush with death can do a lot for someone's demeanor!
If the dead had been permanent what a high to end on.
Yes, for a while at least. B/
For the record, the reason Doctor Octopus didn't believe that Peter was Spider-Man when he originally unmasked him all those years ago was because Pete was suffering a cold at the time and ended up getting his ass handed to him; Otto refused to believe that he'd be able to defeat his archenemy so easily and concluded that Peter had dressed as Spider-Man in a desperate attempt to save his then-girlfriend Betty Brant (whom Otto had taken hostage).
@@painvillegaming4119 No, the incident I'm talking about happened in Amazing Spider-Man issue 12, published all the way back in 1964.
@@trooper9249Great Lee and Ditko classic!
I do love how Doc Ock was lamenting about how Spidey at this point has gone from someone "full of life and humour to a grim and humourless thug" is not only a neat bit of respect from someone as self obsessed as Otto, but it also reflects my own views on when characters have to be super dark and serious when it isn't needed.
"Just let me die already, Peter!"
Spider-Man for the PS4: You called?
I'm glad that despite Dr. Crafty's gone, Thing Tucker still prevails
Thing Tucker will always prevail, for it is not merely a "thing", it is a state of mind.
Thing Tucker finds a way
Thing Tuçker is eternal!
Did something happen? I don't have twitter (intentionally so), thus I'm out of the loop for many things.
@@theinsanegamer1024 Lewis mentioned it at the end of his Dark Knight Returns review
Dr. Crafty left to pursue his own career
And now Ben Reilly is back in the current comic run and Peter is facing his own medical life-threatening situation. I’d say things have come full circle again.
At least we have the original Ghost Rider returning.
@@SgtSega Carter Slade?
plus Miles has a clone too.
His internal life is practically dead.
@@DarsiPadilla also doc ock is going after Ben Riley again thanks to the latest solicitation so it’s all full circle.
What I love about long running comics is that Ock commenting about how Peter is who Ock could have been, had life been different is now foreshadowing over Superior Spider-Man and Otto trying to redeem himself.
5:46 "you've changed"
yeah no shit, in that frame, he's literally Deadpool. hey Doc Ock maybe next time look before you grab a random superhero off the street
Has that sort of thing ever happened in a comic? Because it would be hilarious if a supervillain created some elaborate plot for a hero they've got a personal conflict with, only to grab the wrong person by mistake.
@@mikegates8993 I think that was episode of Osumatsu San
@@mikegates8993 Somewhat related, but I think in one comic Hercules was tasked with stealing a Doombot from Latveria in recreation of his 12 Labors, only to grab the real Dr. Doom.
@@xShadowBlade83 LOL, the _one_ time it wasn't Actually A Doombot.
I like that Octavius is a neurologist, engineer, GP, IDD and therapist. Sometimes you can't afford to specialize.
Gotta love how this story is told in the Wiki:
“After Parker was poisoned by the Vulture, Doctor Octopus, his mortal enemy, counteracted the poison for some reason. Kaine then killed Doctor Octopus for some other reason. During this story, Parker's wife, Mary Jane Watson, told him that she was pregnant.”
Mary Jane Watson-Parker*
She hyphenated when they got married.
don't Forget Dock Ock also kissed Peter thats important
I'm just happy Norman Osborne isn't the father of Mary Janes baby. Well at least it hasn't been retconned that way yet. I think..
@@michaelthomas5433 don’t give them ideas
@@michaelthomas5433 dude.😑
I like this interpretation of Doc Ock, it works pretty well with more modern interpretations of the character like Superior and the PS4 game. It makes it make sense that seeing what Peter's been through from his perspective would cause him to try to be a hero, since this shows that he already respected him and felt that they had a special relationship. Didn't expect this kind of pathos from the clone saga, but well done.
I love how Linkara clearly expected this to be later than it was. Given his commentary makes more sense if it was November already.
yup
It is for me.
It's november 1st here in the uk
@@TheRedMage01 I know. I live there.
"I think I'm a clone now..."
I'm in a terrible story with no clear direction or end goal.
Guys I'm coming out....
I think I'm a clone now.....
""I think I'm a clone now...
The beating of our hearts is the only sound.
"I think I'm a clone now...
There doesn't seem to be anyone around..."
"I think I'm a clone now..."
There's always two of me just hanging around.
I love how over the course of these comics Otto gains and loses like forty pounds repeatedly from panel to panel
"The formula... it isn't reacting as predicted!"
"Why is it dancing flamenco?!"
99 People were Entertained
Mephisto was not Entertained
Judas Traveler was Entertained
Stunner was not Entertained
I would buy a comic that had Tim Curry frantically racing around Spiderman's convoluted backstory trying to explain what happened!
25:56 that is even funnier considering during Nick Spencer's Sinister War, it is Otto Octavious who ends up saving saving Peter from being pummeled by 30+ villains, by HE defeating almost all of them. And in the current Beyond Era (as of the writing of this comic), is heavily implied Aunt May would call Otto to help Peter, currently suffering from radiation poisoning.
So we might get to the point where Otto would keepg saving Peter, insisting in a tsundere-manner "I am saving you for the day I can triumph over you, my greatest rival.", especially if he goes back to being the superior spider-man
That Harry Osborn part is pretty freaking funny considering the recent Spiderman retcons.
The Kindred saga was SO GOOD but in my opinion they dropped the ball when it was revealed Kindred WASN'T the original Harry Osborn, brought back by Mephisto due to some clause in One More Day. While I did agree with retconning "Sin's Past," Kindred's true identity being revealed as NOT Harry made me scream "What the Hell," since the "reveal" this past year added a depth to the character that lots of villains these days lacked, especially since the "Big Bad Final Boss" of years-long Spidey sagas post-OMD tend to be Norman Osborn in one form or another.
@@vampman87 Meh I thought that whole last arc ruined it for me. Especially the kindred reveal. Should have just stayed Harry imo.
04:43 Considering that apparently nobody in the Marvel universe could save Aunt May from a bullet wound, i doubt the F4 could do ANYTHING against a military virus! :P
10:36-10:53.
Doc Ock's growing realization. Stunner's confusion at his statement
and then the ensuing explanation that both implies another insane aspect of Spider-Man's continuity and makes you giggle at the shenanigans as well as the underlying subtext of Doc Ock's honest concern of Peter Parker's mental health, which he himself has aided in worsening...
Lewis, this joke is one of the best jokes you've ever written.
*chef kiss*
That GET OFF THE CROSS WE NEED THE WOOD clip response to KAINE's monologuing, gave me a nice chuckle. Kudos!
Also, both CARNAGE and KAINE have acknowledged Peter Parker/Spider-Man's miserable existence in-universe during the CLONE SAGA. Though it does explain the KAINE clone going all dark , brooding, and 90s Edgelord.
Also considering how Peter Parker is a magnet for misfortune, it wouldn't be surprising if it turned out MEPHISTO had been screwing with Peter's life BEFORE he took his MARRIAGE in ONE MORE DAY!
At least Sins Past got un-done, which I'll take as a win.
Gwen Stacy only became relevant AFTER she died; and we might have been putting her in some pedestal, or contributing to Marvel's illness.
@@DarsiPadilla That didn’t mean she should have her character assassinated, but turning her into a cheater to Peter with Norman Osborn of all people. Regardless of how relevant the character was, that was not a good direction to take with them at all, with something similar happening with Yamcha in Dragon ball by making him out as a cheater when he never showed any evidence of this before.
@@brandonlyon730 which is much worse? Gwen laying with a Goblin? Or Peter and May Jane making an OoC deal with the equivalent to Satan to save someone whose life is already past at the expense of character development, marriage, and own flesh and blood?
Not saying that the Sins Past ordeal is better. Marvel is just ran by fools who are likely out of ideas.
Sins Past undone is undone? Excellent!
What convoluted explanation did Marvel come up with this time?
@@Wright805 Something to do with Mephisto being tied to Norman becoming rich, at the expense of Harry's soul, followed by the Goblin being tied to that transaction. Then, as some way to get back at his father for seeing Peter as the son he could never be, Harry created clones who claimed that Norman is the dad. But since OMD still exists up to this point, what can it matter when Marvel will just keep Peter Parker like a stunted man-child?
The amount of mileage Linkara has manage to get out of that one, single, "This is starting to sound like a bad comic book plot!" clip is truly staggering. It's just never _not_ relevant.
I know it'd probably need to patreoned for him to review the 90s series
Just in time for Halloween! Here's to 13 years, AT4W
KAINE in the RAIN narrating his PAIN! Linkara's rhyming skills are still as sharp as ever, I see.
Three things.
1) Congrats on 13 years. Here's to 13 more. Plus I love the title card Viga did. She nailed it.
2) I know you mentioned Doc Ock's death in an older video, Top 15 Worst Moments of Countdown. But the fact that we're seeing this happen is just messed up. You can say that it's more cause of Marvel trying to change the status quo when they keep on making more mistakes and it wasn't just Doc Ock. The new Kraven died in Web of Life and that kind of sucked.
3) I like Doc Ock as a character whether being a villain or as the Superior Spider-Man. Hell, I enjoyed Doc Ock in the PS4 Spider-Man game because his reasons for going bad were justified. And seeing Doc Ock die the way he did is just messed up. Truly.
Keep it up Linkara. Honestly, Peter needs a damn therapist.
Plus the PS4 did something have never done or will do: Kill off Aunt May, I actually cheer at that scence because Im so use to SPider-Man stories crowding out of her death
@@lonewolf6884 Me too. Insomniac did something that Marvel never would do... let Aunt May die and Peter could have saved her if he wanted. But like Spock said in Star Trek 2, "Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few." Peter made the only right choice and sure it hurts but it did save everyone.
@@MegamanNG Yep and it let May herself go out as a massive hero, because Pete had that moment of doubt and May just tells him that he knows and is better than that. So not only did they have the guts to kill her, they had the guts to make it carry way more impact for us the audience and Peter the character.
@@LupineShadowOmega Yes indeed. That to me was just... it hit me in the right spots. I love it!
Doctor Octopus is one of the few villains that I dislike being a villain. He doesn't have to be a hero, but I think he should be neutral. Sometimes they tangle, but Ock is also willing to help him from time to time.
I like Otto as an anti-villian too.
I liked this story. I'm a real stan for JM DeMatteis, and his focus on getting into what makes characters tick, plus he just seems like a real class act. As for the differences in art, I find it provides variety, keeps things from shifting to a samey house style. For the flaws of the Clone Saga, I respect it for trying to move the series and character forward.
I was also a big fan of this story back in the 90's. I definitely didn't see it as 'Out with old villains. In with new darker villains' back then.Even with seeing his body, i figured he'd eventually be brought back. Doc Ock was great in this story and it helped make him one of my more favourite villains.
19:14 - 22:28 I still wonder "Why just not say this Aunt May was a clone?!" You keep all reactions of Aunt May as genuine (as in, "this is how the real aunt may would have reacted, because she had all her memories being a clone and all"), and you can still bring back the real aunt may (just say that aunt may hasn't had the moment to connect the dots about peter being spider-man. a moment the clone had. preserving the status quo)
maybe the writers were just that sick of clones by that point
Otto is a strange character.
We see so many shade of both Villain and hero with him that it can be hard to deal with the fact that Authors keep trying to play tug-of-war with his outlook and characterization over the years.
But honestly, it makes him all the more human for it.
Heck, most instances he was a scientist trying to do good at first and something and or someone pushes him to the break point, and he goes nuts. Then when his mental health comes back around her goes back to the old grind only for something or someone to happen that drives him back over the line, and he relapses.
I work in retail and sell cigarettes, and let me tell you, I see that same kind of mental ping pong happen a lot in smokers that want to quit, but have fallen to their smokes to cope with stress, and they relapse much the same way from time to time.
Combine that with the fact that a solid third of the time that it happens, he dies at the end of his noble streak (something that probably doesn't compound well with the mental stress of the multiple times he comes back to life) and I could really see why the rouge life would look more appealing on a reevaluation.
I'd like to point out that, not only is this the 13th anniversary episode. But also the 669th episode, nice.
You mean the 669th episode.
@@joshuaingobo1559 my bad :(
I fixed it.
"just because i say that gophers are secretly plotting against me, they think i'm crazy." i mean, this _is_ the marvel universe (and comic books), so yea, i'm inclined to agree, heck they'd probably even be hired by hydra, with neural implants for spying and espionage to boot.
The Mole Man is right there...
@@LupineShadowOmega
yea, but i honestly forgot about him, sorry.
also nazi gophers are just funnier to me.
before this, Doc Ock was a criminal mastermind who upgraded the sinister six brought in GOG into his shannigans, and before that drunk lost a gambling as Mr Fixit (grey hulk) had to slap him out of the casino. Doc Ock is a fan favorite but man he's all over the place in the 90s.
Good video
Doc Ock in the white suit is probably the best redesign to come from the 90’s
Normal people spend Halloween with costumes and candy.
Linkara and his fans spend Halloween with Spider-Man.
Funny how Otto Octavius and death don’t seem to stick. Hell the Superior Spider-Man run showed just how well you could make his attempts at grotesque redemption work.
except superior Spider-Man doc ock mad a deal with mephisto
@@TevyaSmolka Yeah and the Kindred arc saw him go on a path to remembering why he fucked that up. It was also for love- yeah Mephisto’s been on a deal making spree these past few years, Coulson included.
@@benwasserman8223 indeed and it seems to me Mephisto even during heroes reborn somehow warped reality and made Coulson his agent to get rid of the avengers which somehow didn’t work okay it worked for a time but it invoked the squadron supreme for some reason.
@@TevyaSmolka and he did that just to get the other Mesphisto's to agree to work together.
@@TevyaSmolka Yeah if that giant Mephisto council is any indication. Marvel has something big in mind. Not to mention the reveal that Mephisto caused One More Day deliberately to thwart a vision of either Spidey or his daughter killing him for good.
I mean it makes sense to use the Halloween theme since way too many aspects of peter parker's life feel like horror stories from evil clones to children from dead former love interests that want to kill you and obviously making a deal with Satan. Happy 13th anniversary.
Ya know what, Kaine killing Doc Ock is one of the single weirdest things to me. Like, I get WHY it happened from a narrative point about how powerful this new villain is, but what was the lob KC in real world to kill one of the most popular and beloved villains in all of Marvel? Did they really want us to be impressed by the new Virtual V Tuber obsessed Doc Ock?
They really did.
They did, but remember they were also planning on Peter retiring and Ben taking over as Spiderman, so they might have killed Doc Ock to make way for Ben's all new rogues gallery since even if Ben WAS the real Peter Parker, Ock still had more history with the "clone"
@@jonathancampbell5231 So kind of like how when Wally West took over from Barry Allen, the Rogues kept comparing the two (because Captain Cold and the others had much more history with Barry), then?
@@muhaoai4693 Yes, except trying to avoid that
In hindsight it is INCREDIBLY stupid. But I'll give what little credit is due, it's a better death than most character deaths these days. They at least had Doc Ock put up a fight, instead of just being offed with no effort, or worse, being killed off panel.
Just noticed this, When Ocks waiting for Peter after he finds the Antidote doesnt work, the poster next to him reads "Mindless Scribblin' Ignore it", nice little gag from the artists
"Spider-Man!
Versus...
GAMBLOR!!!"
Lewis, Linkara, Whichever you prefer, I want to just say here and now congratulations on another year of reviews and fun, I can't wait to see where 2022 takes us and beyond. Keep being one of my favorite content creators mate!
2:52 *Linkara:* “Dr Octopus’s claw there looks like he’s about to give her a wedgie in that swimsuit costume.”
The assumption here that she doesn’t already have a huge wedgie with the swimsuit costume. In fact, I think there’d have to be little-to-no material at the bottom with how the swimsuit stops at her hips.
This makes me look forward to seeing Alfred Molina back as Doc Ock in Spider-Man:No Way home, and makes me wonder if he'll treat MCU Spider-Man the same way as some kind of worthy adversary that he respects.
Spongebob: hey Patrick, what’s Kaine doing?
Patrick: He’s just standing there… MENACINGLY!!!
The finale of Nick Spencer’s run makes me want to cry.
Good way or bad way.
@@Courageous91 Bad way.
The artwork for issues 1 and 3 is really good I'm big fan of that style of comic art with how it is bright, colourful and dynamic and it works for both Marvel and DC
"I am Kaine."
*Man on Fire begins*
"No, not that themesong!"
*Slow Chemical begins*
"Or that one either!"
*Out of The Fire begins*
"Perfect."
If you want to outfits holding up really well in the rain, check out Batman's tie-in's to Crisis on infinite earths, it rains none stop but doesn't effect people's outfits or hair or skin at all
"I'd go to the Fantastic Four..."
Actually, if I recall, at this point, the FF was Reed "dead", Sue in a stripper outfit, the Thing wearing a helmet and Ant-Man and Kristoff members so maybe Peter better off on his own.
11:23 for some reason, I’m amazed that Octavius’s tentacles can handle things like test tubes and that he wouldn’t just use his actual hands instead of machine apparatus who can only grip something with sheer force because they don’t have any fingerprints.
In Otto’s debut in Amazing Spider-Man issue 3, he made the metal arms to work on atomic research from a distance.
@@gentlemanlygeeky4088 hiw does Otto feel about Reed Richards?
Sometimes I think the only way Spiderman’s continuity, character-development and Rouges’ Gallery works is if we use Rick & Morty logic, and each arc is it’s own alternate reality. At least that way Clone Saga Peter is just happening in ultra-contrived reality; This also means Mephesto only tricked Doofus reality Peter.
5:39 Maybe the reason is because Otto realized he accidentally grabbed Deadpool.
-Teo
you know, if that *was* an actress playing Aunt May talking about the Peter Pan thing
Props to her for being *so* committed to the role she kept up the act in a near death hallucination/meeting of the souls with Peter.
and if this wasn't her, but the May when she talks about Peter Pan again later is the actress, then good job at knowing about what Peter imagined Aunt May told him when he was either hallucinating or traversing the afterlife.
Either way, that actress deserved much better than what she got.
Doc Ock in this reminds me of Dr Doom (when done right). Some of the best Doom moments have been when he's been helping the heroes to show he's smarter than Reed Richards.
HOLY CRAP! 13 YEARS OF ATFW AS OF THIS EPISODE!!!!! JESUS!!! That's amazing Lewis!!!! Also I really feel old after saying that.
You know, I'm not sure if it was intentional, but I like the pararells the deaths of both Kaine and Doc Ock have. They both surrendered themselves so as to make a favour to Spidey, they both were planning to escape and both got ambushed and murdered before reaching prison or making their escape.
17:50 "Yeah sure. Next you're going to tell me that Gwen Stacy gave birth to twins and the father was Norman Osborne."
Not anymore, thank god.
@@RabblesTheBinx What does it matter? Marvel's still unwilling to resolve the issue that led to One More Day.
THIRTEEN year anniversary? Holy cow.
I think the first ani review I watched was the 3rd. That’s still over a decade, can’t believe I watched the show for so long, and will continue to do so for the next 13 years. Happy anniversary Lewis!
0:14 let's come back in a year and see how this ages 12:53 This type of dialogues become more interesting with events like Superior Spider-Man later on 13:13 the funniest part being that "doc ock falls in love with aunt may" (or at least the stories that started that), are from the 70s, Especifically 1974. It happened relatively early in spider-man's history of existing
Have I really been watching your videos for 13 years? Damn im old. Here’s to many more Lewis
And then he became Spider-Eagle-Man 4:26
Congrats on the 13th year anniversary! Like I've commented before, AT4W has been such a staple of my weekly routine since I was in middle school (I'm in my twenties now).
Much padding, not very fun… but the Doc Ock thing made me very happy, though, specially with the grim stuff going away. The idea of Peter's parents still loving and accepting him if he was a clone, Peter and Mary Jane expecting to become parents, Doc Ock saving Peter's life and not wanting to use his secret identity to his advantage, instead just wanting the fun game of Hero Vs Villain to keep going… it's all pretty nice, makes my heart warm and it's a good change of pace to Peter "MY LIFE IS PAIN ALL I KNOW IS SUFFERING EVERYTHING I TOUCH WITHERS AND DIES I AM A HARBINGER OF DEATH AND POSSIBLY A CLONE" Parker, and it shows. The Kaine thing at the end can go right to Hell though, Doc Ock should've kicked his ass into oblivion in my humble opinion. Cut off some of those issues with padding, dial down Kaine to a solid 1 from the 100 he's at, maybe do some more work on Stunner… and there ya go, would be a 10/10 from the 7/10 I'm keeping it at (the best bits heavily outweigh the bad ones, to me at least)
Honestly what I enjoy about this arc is ironically its place in the metastory of Doc Ock once we ignore his (eventually retconned) death - we can draw straight line from original appearances of Otto in Stan Lee's run, through here, to his modern revamp as an antihero in Superior Spider-Man. This kind of long-running character arc is something that honestly only comics can really provide.
"I'm not bitter about modern comics at all! Why do you ask???"
I feel your pain, Linkara. I feel your pain
Getting real Lego Batman Movie vibes from this.
You know, I always look forward to the Clone Saga reviews. It's just nice to have a very detailed annual retrospective about a singular series/event, breaking down why it failed. Not just in general, but on a case by case basis. Like here, where they introduce a really cool idea of how Doctor Octopus and Spider-Man relationship as enemies changes dramatically... and then they kill Ock off.
It's just sad seeing how a good story concept quickly starts to degrade as time goes on, whether through lame villains like Kaine and Judas Traveler, or convoluted nonsense that quickly makes everything really hard to follow. But it's fascinating to watch because the Clone Saga epitomizes the 90s state of comics, where sales meant more than good stories and how everything ended up getting centered around that conciet.
Doc Oct's reasoning is the same as Londo Mollari's wife Timov: "I do not like to win my battles this way."
The soul conversation was great because Amazing Spider-Man was written by J.M. DeMatteis who is great writer who really wanted the Clone Saga to be good. He tried to his best with a bad situation.
Me and you both love the ashocked the 4th Wall theme song
I'm proud to say that I've been now watching for 10 years ... I was 11 where does the time go
Lewis you got the 13th Anniversary episode out on Halloween! That’s not bad that’s AMAZING!
lol love the irony of all the bits at the beginning talking about how late the video was but you actually got it out on time, made have a good chuckle
It IS still late, though - supposed to come out on October 25th. XD
Happy 13th Anniversary!!! Thank you for doing your best and working so hard. I started watching the show when I was at highschool and will continue to watch untill - well, who knows! All the best to you, your family and to your channel - stay awesome!
Congrats on another year!
Amazing that you have gone strong for 13 years. That is some accomplishment.
Happy 13th (how appropriate for Halloween) year anniversary!! While I've been playing catch-up here and there with episodes lately, I will always respect the time, dedication and sheer quality/quantity of work you put out, Lewis. Looking forward to the conclusion of this slasher arc in November (and hopefully more of the Contest in general - it's been a long one!) and have a happy Halloween!
weird factoid about 27:08:
That crib, I kid you not, actually returned in the "Directors cut" version of the Clone sagae which was released in the early 2010s.
Both ben and Peter try desperatly to assemble it, but they both fail spectaculary. Reminder: Peter is one of the smartest minds in the Marvel Universe, and Ben is not far behind, and both got beaten by the simple instructions to put together a baby crib.
LOL ... XD. Marvel's way of saying, "See!!! He shouldn't be a father, can't even assemble a crib!" =P
LMFAO. I’m having a psychotic episode from a mental disorder, and I sadly relate to Peter-except, I’m going to go see a doctor tomorrow rather than brooding and bitching.
Blame, if not condemn, the writers and editors.
Good job making it to 13 years. I know the clone saga sucks but Ben Reilly rocks.
Ben, as far as I’m concerned, deserves to be one of the go-to unique Spider-Mantle holders, joining Peter, Miguel, Miles and Gwen.
@@myriadmediamusings sad Mayday noises.
@@painvillegaming4119 Other than an army of Spider-People, people who have been screwed by Mephisto should be included. Although, as a lord of deception, I cannot help but suspect that he might just fake his defeats. Then again, Mephisto's "power" is linked to how Marvel Comics and Editorial handles him.
Wow even in the 90s they allude that Otto has it in him to be Spider Man, and when he became Superior Spider Man he proves it despite being a bit of a megalomaniac.
Happy Anniversary!
Congrats mate, watching it since almost 2011
18:31 Oh man I am glad to see this running gag back, Since last year that clip wasn't shown in his Spiderman Web of Life review.
Yes, it was. It was in the conclusion.
@@AT4W Ahhh, I've double checked and you are correct, Apologies for that sight error, I've must have missed that part.
Man, anytime someone utters the name Kaine, no matter how it's spelled, Slow chemical starts playing in my head. DAMN YOU WWE!
Peter: MJ, get away from the streets, Kaine is attacking and he just chokeslammed Doc Ock...also he threw his hands down and fire shot up
Spider-Infant...
So, the new Spidey and His Amazing Friends show aka PJMasks: Into the Spider-Verse.
"I know you keep Popular Mechanics magazines hidden inside your Playboys, Mister Science Major"
Called out like the ace STEM major I am
I've got the individual issues for this story, and gotta say: You're missing out, one of them contains a power bonus card for a Power Rangers videogame.
What game was it?
I should note that my 5 1/2 year old niece went as Spider-Man this Halloween. Specifically, MCU Spider-Man.
26:36 Nice "Nightmare City" reference!
Holy shit, you got it out in time! I didn't think you would! That's what I get for doubting you. sorry sir, you're a legend.
Happy Halloween linkara and Happy 13th Anniversary to Atop the fourth wall
With Doc Ock's fanboying this could almost be the origin of Superior Spider-Man
Or, "Superior" is just Slotto Blocktavius's spidersona.