Spider-Man: Sins Past, Part 1 - Atop the Fourth Wall
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Originally released April 27th, 2020.
ORIGINAL DESCRIPTION: 600 episodes and it always comes back to the wallcrawler.
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In Marvel Comics #1000, JMS had a page titled "What do you regret?" and one of the panels is just JMS saying "Sins Past."
That was great.
The Sins Past of Sins Past.
You know, I have personal experience in dealing with betrayal by a “friend” which caused a whole mess back in college, but I never had the misfortune of accidentally choosing Sins Past to help get my mind off it. My heart goes out to you.
Which friend betrayed him?
@@sethmiles9436 Cinema Snob
@@sethmiles9436 pretty sure it was Brad Jones.
@@RabblesTheBinx whos that?
@@sethmiles9436 Cinema Snob
You know the Cosmic Cube was another thing Peter could have tried to use to save Aunt May, thus avoiding sacrificing his marriage!
" *THE COSMIC CUBE CAN DO ANYTHING!* ............except heal a bullet wound"
@@Gyarretto7well only mephisto seams to be able to heal bullet wounds in that story
It cured Bucky’s brainwashing, so why not? Oh wait…
@@Gyarretto7 I asked Linkara on his Tumblr one time if the Cosmic Cube and fix Aunt May's bullet wound. He responded "Who whoa let's not go crazy here!"
@@Gyarretto7 Peter: finally something that can save aunt may!
Cube: have any Twinkies?
Peter: no bu-
Cube: get. Out.
"Gwen Stacy was pregnant!"
Ha! Called it.
"And the twins are now fully grown adults trying to kill Peter."
.... Frigging what?
I swear that my mouse wiggled of its own accord in response to your comment.
"There's always a bigger fish"
I swear, it's like, hey let's intentionally make an obvious situation that anyone can figure out because trope knowledge from the public... and then confuse them HARD with a situation that could be revolutionary to Spiderman, when in actuality, it's a bad plot twist.
Did Spider-Man get taken over by soap opera writers?
@@jamiekamihachi3135 Trouble makes that seem likely.
The rest of the time Peter Parker spent in Canada is obvious: He was stopping a middle school hockey team from smoking and drinking alcohol. You could say they were... skating on thin ice!
Good callback.
*faking a smile and nervously drumming a couple fingers pretending to get the reference*
@@SpiderandMosquito Old-ish Linkara review about a spiderman drug PSA. Just look up "Linkara skating on thin ice"
That's an old reference, but it checks out.
@@SaltyCalhoun ah yes I've seen some of those I will
When I first saw the thumbnail I was like “Wait, is he doing a good comic this time? Is he covering the comic about the death of Gwen Stacy?”
But then I realized the thumbnail was just another version of the “The Thing: Eternal Vows” comic and one of the Nightmare on “Elm Street comics,” then I remembered that horrible Spider-Man comic where it’s revealed Gwen Stacy slept with Norman Osborn, and I thought “Ohhh Nooooo....”
Buckle up.
Tanner Price leading up to it I was sure it would have been captain America Steve Rogers 1 or secret empire
Don't remember we see, via *Peter* imagining it, both of their "Oh faces".
Tanner Price we keep it simple on the explanation, this comic sucks because higher ups at marvel wanted to be stupid instead of sticking with jms plan with the two assassin siblings being peter and gwens kids. I guess that wasn’t much of a simple explanation.
Ohhh, I knew what it was gonna be the instant I saw the thumbnail. I own all 5 trades collecting JMS's Amazing Spider-Man run (which, I agree is overall a good one).
Years later and he’s still got his ringtone as “Umm Whatcha Say”
Don't mess with a classic.
@@AT4W Definitely
@@AT4W I still watch the 'Dear Sister' SNL parody of the OC bit like once a week. Definitely a classic.
Had my phone sins college, still got the doctor who theme as my ringtone.
I like the Sad Panda cover best.
So the acting coach's advice was essentially;
"Do or do not. There is no try."
"Don't think. Feel."
"Stop trying to hit me and hit me."
Act like you aren't acting!
OK but does that mean I still get paid for acting?
No! That's the beauty of Hollywood!
About that acting thing. You'd be amazed how well you can relate real life experiences to fantasy situations. Gandalf is protecting loved ones from a looming danger. The Doctor is asking someone he has strained relations with to help with an important task. Data is autistic. Those are relatable. Even if you haven't experienced those things, you very likely know someone who has. Peter Cullen voices an alien robot who transforms into a big rig, but he sounds like a soldier because he takes inspiration from his veteran brother.
Data is autistic?....please explain
0:56 Gotta admire how he managed to pull out the right one without looking. Guessing that other book sticking out was to help with that?
Yep!
Times like this make me really REALLY appreciate Spider-Gwen, one of the few good things Dan Slott did.
Unfortunately, there will come even more misunderstanding on who Gwen Stacy really is.
Maybe Marvel really needs to grow a spin and take up actual responsibility.
Uhm i sorry to be the messenger of bad news but dan slott create or care about spider-gwen. It was jason latour and Robbi rodriguez. Dan slott and the higher ups in the spider department didn't belive in spider gwen and wanted to relgate her to only a one shot tie-in issue with slott wanting to push his creation cindy moon a.k.a. silk (the horny asian mary sue) and only then to praise spider gwen when her one shot sold extremely well (even rewriting part of spider verse to include her) and sidelined silk once she didn't make an impression even hated by spider-man readers.
@ULGROTHA it's kind of like the Deadpool dilemma. A creator either crafted a sue or just meh character; and other writers make the character actually interesting.
Dan Slott created Spider-Verse which did eventually lead to Spider-Gwen, but that’s about it.
@David Blyth umm excuse me Superior spider-man was awesome and ill not hear any of it
"For those of you who don't know what this story is about, you need to come into it blind, to be hit by it the same way everyone else was."
Me, a person who does not read comics but has watched your show for a decade: "My body is ready.”
(Narrator offscreen, probably: “Rando’s body may have been ready, but their mind was not.”)
Yup... I thought I was in for a good time... I was wrong.
Did anyone else also imagine a freze frame when the narator started talking ?
@@FateStayN1ght I sure did
Morgan Freeman: But some rando's body was not ready.
Y’know. I honestly thought Lewis was being snarky when he talked about how Aunt May is one over salted cracker away from death, and then I watched the 90’s Spider Man cartoon, and literally all she did in that entire series was be fretful and worried about Peter. Every scene basically boiled down to “oh Peter I wish you wouldn’t take pictures of Spider Man! Oh Anna I wish you wouldn’t be mean to Peter!” And fainting during supervillain attacks
"That AWFUL Spiderman!"
Well they had to cut down on a lot of things for that series... like an ending...
@@lkotro21 Then the next Spider Man cartoon to air on Fox Kids (Spider-Man Unlimited) straight up ended on a cliffhanger.
@@GatorRay The fate of ALL Spider-man series, it seems. (Unlimited was a mess, but seeing Peter with short hair was a treat. And knowing that he's actually married for once... Mmm... I wish we had some closure, despite the claim that Unlimited is a sequel to TAS)
@@lkotro21 Agreed.
It’s so surreal 600 episodes in and seeing how much the show has evolved as has Lewis’ reviewing but a lot remains the same. Glad he changes it up at the right time.
I like your profile image.
@@JaelinBezel Thanks. Very proud of it.
The line about a zombie Gwen Stacy being a better idea than this comic has me picturing a superhero team that's made up entirely of the murdered, undead girlfriends of superheroes.
I want to read that book now.
Or worse. That plus wives that had been killed in the past like Hulk's from Planet Hulk (I suck at spelling names. So that's why I didn't bother this time)
Then go, write that book. Write the story you want to read and make the rest of the world want to read it too.
@@johnelliswomack1931 is right. For real. That's a great idea.
If it’s not called The Fridged or something, then you missed something
The “Start acting” joke made me genuinely laugh out loud.
Cinema Snob said something bad?
@@eyokirvideos7400 i am genuinely confused
@@mrroboshadow I'm guessing that was a response to the wrong comment (if it was meant to be a response at all) since they seem to be talking about the opening gag.
@@AkumaKristian no its a legitimate reply
Im genuinely confused with that gag as i just didn't get it
@@mrroboshadow Ah no I meant that Eyokir's comment seemed like a wrong reply. Sorry.
I'm guessing you already know about the Caligula running joke and how it relates to the Cinema Snob. I don't know all the details (and quite frankly I don't feel like looking up old drama) but after the Change the Channel incident where nearly all the Channel Awesome producers left, Brad Jones said some dismissive and inflammatory things.
Someone actually asked Lewis about him during the recent stream and I feel he put it best, "We have a lot to say about him but we're depressed enough." (he did say it in jest though)
Spiderman ~ Spiderman
Life screws him over when ever it can~
Don't you mean editorial mandates?
This is why it's hard to read Spiderman for any extended period of time. You know the happiness bubble is gonna pop. It's not a matter of how anymore, just when.
@LucasGreen X23 Or life managomg to screw over an alternate version of him by having the source of his screwing be him actually screwing MJ.
Me, an idiot: Huh, Sins Past. Name sounds familiar, but I can't quite -
The letter drops.
Me: OHHHHHH NOOOOOO!
Good news. The latest issue of Nick Spencer's run on Amazing Spider-Man aka Vol 5 Issue 73 had retconned the events of Sins Past. In a GENUINELY GOOD way, no less.
He will not read it.
How was it retconned? I genuinely wanna know
@@NoahDaArk mysterio made Norman believe he was in a relationship with Gwen the sons are clones
@@TheUncomplicator I’m sure he had an actual reason, but it is funny to think that Beck just did that for the lols.
@@thepixelman4776 wouldn't be the first time.... isn't that right, Daredevil??
I got a letter. The name on the envelope said "Gwen." My girlfriend's name. It's ridiculous. Couldn't possibly be true. That's what I keep telling myself. A dead person can't write a letter. Gwen died of that damn broken neck years ago.
"Do I look like your girlfriend"
So Peter Parker gets the in water ending, or a dog was controlling everything?
“That’s impossible. A dead person can’t write a letter. That’s illegal.”
Honestly, I know this is an old video... But I LOVE the opening skit. The timing, the acting, the "Aw, god damn it!" It's just such a perfect opener! :)
My reaction when seeing Lewis upload this episode and see the title card, "Oh sweet! He's going to be reviewing the Death of Gwen Stacy! Weird he's reviewing a good comic for this occasion.
When I actually start the video.."Oh god. Oh god no!"
I had the same thoughts.
I'm only somewhat aware, never been much on Marvel, just osmosis, but seems like that was only about 2 issues, Sins Past is 5. Just information, if others are curious and don't know
My response: ".....Oh fuck all kinds of duck"
Trust me Linkara. We all hate One More Day.
He kind of already did
Yeah but that story killed Spidey in his eyes.
@bigevilworldwide1 But he hasn't and never will for personal reasons.
THis is worse
@@duncananderson2113 As far as I know, the deal was not reversed and Peter doesn't remember what he did so nope.
I wonder if the reason Peter mentions being able to use his spidersense to find the graves of his loved ones (specifically Gwen) is a kind of PTSD response? Like when he's near them the feelings of danger and stress he felt trying to rescue her come flooding back and make his senses act up?
His abilities have always been tied to his emotions to some degree, so this could be entirely true.
That, or his Spider-Sense works on the power of plot and knows that graves of loved ones are always dangerous.
This sounds like an interesting concept, ngl.
that's not only an interesting idea, but EXTREMELY sad and heartbreaking
like even his heightened super senses are still stuck in that one, awful, sickening day
"Sometimes people in charge have no idea what they're doing." Truly a topical statement if one was ever made.
Only it’s “most times” given the crap these days.
@@daelen.cclark Dan Didio's career at DC in a nutshell
It's two years later, and I have no idea what topic you're referring to. I don't think I knew back then because this is a very timeless statement.
I miss peter Parker and Mary Jane being a married couple so much :(
I honestly don't get it. It feels like Marvel itself is ashamed of One More Day and aren't sure what to do with Peters romantic life right now but are stubbornly clinging onto the decision because in order to take it back would be admitting that Spiderman did something wrong that was entirely his fault.
@@grantmoore8228 indeed i don't get it either because a lot of people myself included hate one more day and people like me want the return of peter parker and mary jane as a married couple and also have peter and mary jane actually have there daughter mayday parker spider-girl alive and kicking in the main marvel universe alive and kicking like i mean for gods sake if superman Clark Kent and Lois lane could have there son Jonathan Samuel Kent Superboy as his little 10 year old self alive and kicking in the main dc universe, so why can't marvel do the exact same thing but with spider-man peter parker and mary jane as well.
Tevya Smolka
JMS really needed a second chance to fix that clustercrap of a story.
captain Rockatron indeed
@David Blyth , so naturally, Marvel in its current condition and unwillingness to have Peter Parker actually grow up would find more ways to screw his life into being a living hell.
For those of you wondering, in the opening sequence, he was referencing Brad Jones and his decision to stay with Channel Awesome, mostly because he was willing to defend Channel Awesome to the point of publicly insulting Allison Pregler (Obscurus Lupa).
Wow..."screw him" indeed
Oof
Isn't he the "Logan Paul filmed a dead body and he still has a career" guy? I wondered if that's what Lewis was referencing when he said "he said that? Made that up too huh?"
@@seekingabsolution1907 correct, that IS BRADICAN
@@seekingabsolution1907No, he’s Cinema Snob.
CATS ALWAYS LIE
Linkara: "An Accurate statement and I have 2 girls who will corroborate that statement."
9:06
Kitty belly up and being cuddly: "I wuv u, daddy."
Is THAT what Chieri was trying to Communicate?!!!
P.S. Chieri is the Cat with the Collar
Kitty!
@@New3DSLuigi364 To cats, as predatory animals, their bellies are considered a vulnerable spot. When it exposes its belly to you, it's a sign of affection or that it deeply trusts you. I have two myself, and one of them enjoys his belly rubs and insists I have my hand on some part of him when he falls asleep.
@@NobodyC13 a stray at my workplace loves me, he'd lay in my lap and purr, let me rub his belly and even give me love headbutts. He's a sweet cat
Linkara, its about Cats
Somewhere out there, Stan Lee is rolling in his grave and he doesn't know why
RIP Stan Lee Why does Marvel or Joe Quesada Ruin Spiderman so much in Comics, but not in the MCU Movies?
@@teddyfurstman1997
They ruined spider-man in the MCU, too. You just weren't paying attention.
@@bluehero-96 OOF. Spiderman Into The Spiderverse is a Better Spidey movie.
@@bluehero-96 Let me guess... you never seen Amazing Spiderman 1 and 2 have you?? And Venom is your favorite movie?
@bluehero96 to be fair it’s because of fans hating the mark webb films for being too predictable is why mcu spider man is the way it is heck negative fan response over spider-man 3 was half the reason the rami trilogy ended but while i get why people hate mcu spider-man i personally think they're good for what they are and they show much potential especially for the next one.
There's good retcons (captain America in ice, bucky is the winter soldier), bad retcons (axis retconning quicksilver and scarlet witch's origins), and then there's I want whatever drugs they were taking to make them think this was a good idea retcons (one more day, hydra cap), guess which of them sins past is
Trick question. You don't want whatever drugs they were using for this.
One of these days I'd like to see the original Gwen Stacy's ghost show up and haunt whoever is toying with her legacy this time. Unless she's alive.
"Is that that guy with the annoying voice you always watch?" - My dad
my parents also use that term to
You can tell them that the annoying voice guy says yes and he agrees with the assessment.
His voice is just really Minnesotan, doncha know.
I think He confused him with The Nostalgia Critic.
@@hansruhlmann454 oh snap! Lol. Fortunately for my dad, I haven't watch the NC since #ChangeTheChannel
I got a letter. The name on the envelope said “Gwen” my girlfriend’s name. Couldn’t possibly be true. A dead person can’t write a letter.
Gwen died of that damn fall years ago. So then, why am I looking for her?
Entry 04: itchy... tasty...
@@LaNoLaCola wrong horror series
There was a spider hole in the wall, it’s gone now
Because a dead person writting a letter is illeagle
*sees thumbnail*
Me: Huh, is he covering the Death of Gwen Stacy?
*remembers Sins Past exists*
Me: Oh God, I hope it’s the Death of Gwen Stacy and not Sins Past.
*plays video and it’s Sins Past*
Me: NO! NO! NO! NO!-oh-oh-oh.
that was my thoughts exactly
9:50 Wait... what Robert Deniro doing here ? No seriously, it's him.
I thought it was Bruce Campbell or something. lol.
You’re right!
The artist on the title use celebrity references for all of the characters
@@teddyfurstman1997 makes perfect sense because he appears in the Sam Raimi trilogy.
I was singing along until I realized we got a NEW VERSION OF THE THEME SONG, WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
This comic sucks, this song ROCKS!
Drakkenmensch Silverflare not only is it a new version of the theme but it’s also the extended version he only uses for milestones and the like
@@gennybaratta2460 Yeah! Love getting to hear the extended version.
I'm glad you seem to like it:) / Vincent E. L.
Starting off strong, I see. Gotta admit, did not expect to ever see another Caligula joke, but you handled it well.
BlackScarabFilmZ “Sgt. Pepper comic.”
I...still don't get the joke the moment he picked up the phone. All I can think of is something that...isn't even a joke?
I mean, he had to make this last one so he never has to make one again...
@@tuvyamaeir4684 The joke involved the cinema snob, another critic on channel awesome that Linkara use to interact with. Things got bad after Linkara and 95% of the rest of channel for many reasons left, things got worst when cinema snob (one of the people at channel awesome that didn’t leave the website as of now.) had well... said some controversial things to those that had issues with Channel awesome.
@Bradon Lyon
What DID he say?!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. One of my best friends who isnt a comics guy discovered this comic one day a few years ago and during our bad movies group brought it up while we were waiting for the rest of the group to arrive. Needless to say the proceeding 10 min involved me screaming and going into a fetile position trying to avoid the memories from surfacing. That's how bad this was.
As a former theater major, you can spend thousands of dollars on acting classes but until you meet an individual who tells you like it is all you are doing is talking to a blank wall.
"Gwen was pregnant, and that she had given birth early to twins."
*long belabored sigh*
Oh dear lord...
When you realize that the ultimate conclusion is what has been parodied from soap operas since .... ever.
@Ray Caster at the very least that alternative wouldn't have had GWEN STACY have sex with a man who 1) was much older than her 2) was the father of one of her friends 3) was the archenemy of her boyfriend and 4) WAS THE DUDE WHO GOT HER KILLED
like...who thought THIS was a good idea?
Spidey: welp, they made me sell my marriage to the devil, my made me the result of an affair between my father and my aunt who is really my mother, and my high school sweetheart got pregnant cheating on me with my arch nemesis. Only one thing to do! (Starts chugging a big jug of booze)
(The next day)
Spidey: oh god my head!!! X[
Tony stark: haha how cute, that's called a hangover, and its an unavoidable part of life ;)
Wouldn't spidys healing factor make that minor though?
The funny thing is legally Spidey can't even get drunk. Is part of Marvel's policies and rules to follow for write Spidey.
@@josedavidcatemac406 Is that really true? Good god, the universe DOES have it out for the poor kid!
Sad Spidey + intoxication = DENIED!
@@AnInsideJoke well, i guess it makes sense. If he was allowed to consume alcohol, with all pete's baggage he'd be the marvel hero known for a drinking problem rather than iron man!
Just imagine: the amazing spider-man, goblin in a bottle!!
Holy hell, Linkara. I remember finding references to you on TVTropes back in 2008 or 09, and got really religiously into watching all your stuff for several years. I don't have as much free time as I used to, but I'm really happy you're still around, and doing excellent stuff. Cheers, man. Here's to however many more you want to do for us. ;)
Well Spider-Man Sins past has been undone…so hurray?
"The cosmic cube can do anything" Innocent callback to last episode, or reoccurring foreshadowing to Secret Empire?
You make the call!
Oh crap I forgot that happens in Secret Empire. Now the joke is doubly brilliant.
@@joshuaingobo1559 YOU SEE THEY JUST DIDN'T CARE!
The Cosmic Cube is the means to achieve many things that are deemed ... *un*natural.
Kyle's Odyssey! Is it possible to learn this power?
As an actor, that opening scene really bothers me. Putting aside the idea that Mary Jane wouldn’t know the basics of acting, no director is going to take the time to do this at an audition. At a rehearsal? Maybe. Even a callback would be more plausible as that would at least indicate that they saw something promising in her performance and wanted a little extra push. But an audition? A director simply wouldn’t have the time, especially if were to believe that she was auditioning for a paid role. If an actor’s talent was such that a director felt they needed this level of coaching at an audition, they would thank them for their time and bring in the next actor.
Sins Past: the second-worst story of the JMS run. But hey, at least you can ignore it and pretend it didn’t happen. Unlike the worst story of his run...
Magnus Prime I might’ve forgotten, but what was the worst? Oh wait, it’s One More Day, isn’t it?
@@LunarSpiral1127 Honestly,that comic will be the crowning achievement of how to screw up one of your characters,their legacy and everything they stand for
You know what, that comic is bad and that's all anyone needs to know
Nothing more
@@drrafa4031 in hindisght..... Sins of Past could have been easily done by having norman create sarah and gabriel as "superboy/conner kent" AKA creating them as clones by using his DNA and gwen's (even profanating her tomb) just as a physical screw you towards peter. also, that immediately justifies why the children are older apart of "goblin serum gone wrong": they were aged artificially
have the cloned children be the one who reveal to peter gwen and norman loved each other. that they even had letters made by gwen.
I mean, osborn was revealed to be the mastermind behind the first clone saga. one would think he would ahve an extra "Up yours" involving clones.
also, you can keep the option of bringing the clones back because they are still "just made", or bring them back even if their whole existence is akward. maybe even keep gabriel as a extra crazy grey goblin refusing to believe the truth.
ALSO, speaking of clone saga: quick way to keep aunt may's beautiful death but still ahve it make sense: say the may she died was a clone instead of an actress. that way that death is still real because by all acounts the clone was may in all sense of the word. even if the elephant in the room of "real may not knowing who peter is" is left, just say aunt may got amnesia or something.
How to mess up a character?
Iron man: Secret spy from Kang the Conqueror
Trouble: Aunt May was a terrible person.
Professor X: Child army, had a crush on teenJean, Sent kids to death in Krakoa, Hid Teen Sage away and used her to spy on Sebastian Shaw, who might have hooked up with Shaw. Bad father. Helped Cyclops devolve into a bad guy, etc.
Spider-Man: Sells marriage to the devil to Aunt.
Wait, Peter had "a really bad day"? He's becoming The Joker, isn't he? 😉 Couldn't resist. 😂
More like Sans showed up and gave him a bad time.
Or Conker
spiderman becomes the joker? im pretty sure that happened in astro city.
Nah, this is Marvel, not DC. As far as I know, they're not infected with the yet unnamed edgelord virus. Just bafflingly conservative writers.
Even if Brad didn't embroil himself in controversy you weren't going to do the Caligula comic, were you
yeah it was obvious he was never going to cover it
😢@@gracekim25
of course not; wITH HOW GRAPHIC THE MATERIAL IS; the video would get demonitized!!
Everyone talking about the title card and the cold open and I'm just like:
HOLY CRAP VINCENT UPDATED THE THEME SONG 😍
90s kid all grown up
I did do that, didn't I?
/Vincent E. L.
THAT INTRO WAS SO GOOD. The "oh goddammit" sounded so genuine
@@alexandredesbiens-brassard9109
The intro bit with Caluglia part was weird. What with saying, "A certain reviewer". Like
what did Cinema-Snob do wrong?!
@@thatonea-hole I could be mistaken, but long story short, CTCers started cyberbullying Brad because of an interview he did with Double Toasted that indicated he was generally neutral on the whole CTC debacle, which lead to an interference with the funeral of his wife's father. Brad took this to mean all of CTC against him and began badmouthing them, so now they've burned their bridges with him, and likewise him with them. I miss when everyone was friends, but such is life.
@@thatonea-hole nothing, really.
@@DuelaDent52 you can thank the owner of channel awesome (not Doug) for everything
Oh, goddamn it indeed, dude. Oh goddamn it...
Did anyone else notice that the actor giving MJ acting advice at the beginning looked like a slightly younger Robert De Niro?
DawnOfTheOzz I was thinking the same thing, ever since I first read this story.
I thought it was gonna be “The night Gwen Stacy Died.” Then I realized it was “Sins Past” and I audibly said “Oh no...”
if he had review the night Gwen Stacy died he would have went 3 for 3 for reviewing great comics because the past reviews he did Daredevil Born again and what's so funny about truth justice and the American way
I come from the future as the herald of potential good news: apparently this awful storyline is being retconned so the entire thing with Norman and Gwen was in reality an illusion by Mysterio who made Norman believe he had sleep with her but in reality it was just a trick. I just gotta said, with all the controversies surrounding Spencer's creative directions in recent Marvel stories, this is probably one of the best decisions he has done by nullifying this awful storyline.
Norman fucked misterio?.
Its official now yeah. The Stacy twins (actually just more clones) were apparently another longterm plan developed by Harry/Chameleon and Mysterio, alongside the fake parents plan.
Harry was busy.
@@Emike-nc9ew No, Mysterio used hypnotic suggestion make Norman believe he slept with Gwen.
15:00 Loved the SFDebris cameo, though sad to say that I only recognized him after he got irritated.
@15:29
HEY!!!
I Thought Meta Humor was Phelous' Schtick. . . NOT SFDEBRIS'
Oh, i kinda thought it was Paw Dugen
Same here. The familiarity was nagging at me until he started using the tone he usually reserves for Neelix, and then it finally clicked.
The joke about changing video hosts should have given it away though.
I recognised chuck fairly soon. Although I have recently been watching some of his more.... chill videos
That "Oh God Damn It!" Was perfectly delivered
Considering I watch your show but DON'T read comics, I appreciate your long-winded backstories, Linkara.
And now Sins past has been COMPLETELY RETCONNED… in the most convoluted way possible but still!
Brad: "Logan Paul filmed a dead body and he still has a career"
Everyone: 0:39
He predicted his own downfall.
ChiefMedicPururu lol true
What?.... What? No seriously what did Brad actually do i saw the post in response to someone saying he should leave channel awesome but that is it
@@DiploRaptor I'll just sum this up: when it came to the controversy, he sided with Channel Awesome and I mean that in the sense of defending CA and dismissing his former colleagues.
@@DiploRaptor He's a strike Scape.
The opening sketch.
I understand why that was made, that's all I gotta say
Uh... can you fill me in? Was there an egregious controversy involving the creator, or was it just an opening gag poking fun at the fact he still isn't reviewing it?
@@dicyanoacetylene6220 the opening sketch i believe was about the cinema snob, who i believe recommended and requested the caligula comic alot. but he got outted as a asshole
@@dicyanoacetylene6220 Cinema Snob, aka Brad Jones, pretty much burned bridges with the other former contributors with CA. His relationship with them was strained during the Not So Awesome Document reveal when he sided with Doug and the site but what became the final nail in the coffin was when, and feel free to research this part since my memory is a bit fuzzy on details, there was a "swatting" attempt on his wife during her father's funeral by supposed "fans" of the former contributors, this lead to accusations being made by Brad and his wife against the former contributors since they believe it was intentionally done when it actually wasn't, this is why Linkara said in the sketch "Oh he said that huh? wow made THAT crap up?" in reference to how Brad kept fueling the idea to his audience that it was the former contributors and even Brad and his Wife mocking the Change The Channel moment during a stream that happened afterwards.
so yeah, this is why Lewis put the Caligula gag to rest and I don't blame him, what happened to his wife was wrong and should never have happened, but they both weren't exactly the better people for taking their anger out on people that had nothing to do without and forgetting that there are jerks out thee who probably hate both sides and just want to be jerks
3:10: The song is “Never Let You Go” by Third Eye Blind.
13:41 - Aunt May doing her best impression of Leslie Nielsen in 'Naked Gun' when someone blows a trumpet too close to him.
A play called “Cats always lie”
GEE I wonder if Black Cat will be involved in this story some how (/sarcasm)
Meow! Cats 2019 in a nutshell.
She doesn't show up, actually. Might have appeared in an early draft of the story, but they realized this should be as short as possible.
@@Volvagia1927 Considering it's a story line that deals with a former girlfriend of Peter's that's a high probability. But I was still wrong, thanks for letting me know.
Teddy Furstman Definitely a missed opportunity for a Cats joke.
[tries to high-five everyone else who got the Carnac joke, throws out her back]
Awww, I was SURE it was gonna be Secret Empire! Ahhh, this is just as deserving. Probably more considering the fact that just remembering how misogynistic and mean spirited the story was to Gwen. And REALLY makes me happy that Spider-Gwen is proving to be as awesome as she is as an utter screw you to this story and how the only thing that's defined her since the 70s has been her death.
The only good point I can give to this is Mike Deodato being a really good artist. For my money he draws the most smoking hot Mary Jane. I even told him this on Twitter once, and he was very gracious about it.
And thanks for that "screw him" at the beginning, moving on now.
@@alexandredesbiens-brassard9109 Yes! heroes in Crisis is gonna get covered!! And even if I'm one of the few people who likes Secret Empire seeing a review of it from Linkara will still be a treat.
Alexandre Desbiens-Brassard Yeah was there during the livestream, and while Heroes in Crisis and Secret Empire is confirmed, I’m curious about the other two.
It’ll be up to the patrons, but I’d be surprised if Infinity Crusade isn’t picked given that it’s the last part of the Infinity Trilogy.
Pio Nepomuceno I actually signed up to vote, and I picked Zero Hour, kinda tie into the idea of “well liked heroes being turned evil or into killers” since Hal Jordan was the one behind everything.
Aw man, I loved Secret Empire...
Linkara before we start this 3 parter, i just want to say thank you for being such a genuinely good person sharing joy with others. You joked about it last year but i honestly believe you will make it to 1000 episodes
"Looks at thumbnail" Oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no
I figured it was sins past if you don't see the above text. How do you explain a story so idiotic that isn't as moronic and drawn as Clone Saga or had the permanent damage of One More Day. We have something so really dumb that pretty much was forgotten but damage short term. Just how this was even allowed to publish? How? Why? WTF were thinking?
Sup Linkara. I came back to your channel to watch this three parter. I hadn't followed your content in a really long time, but when I learned that you were reviewing THIS, I just HAD to return and watch it. "Sins Past" is one of the WORST Spider-Man stories to exist in the modern era, and the really terrible part is that J. Michael Straczynski attempted to retcon the Stacy Twins out of existence, but was told by the higher-ups at Marvel that he wasn't allowed to do that. That REALLY sucks, know what I'm saying? Damn!
22:27 Peter: “Seems like every time I’ve dealt with my guilt...Every time I’ve put it all behind me...”
Me: *laughs* Peter dealing with his guilt over anything and putting it behind him? Yeah, sure.
Also, who has the biggest guilt complex where they blame themselves for everything: Peter Parker or Steven Universe?
Answer: Shinji Ikari
If Quesada didn't like the idea of this story so much, why didn't He just reject it? Why was it necessary to make Strazynski to turn his story in it? And Yes, in the plan Strazynski it was supposed to be the children of Peter.
11:16 I had no idea that Tommy Wiseau once attempted Hamlet so this gag got a pretty good laugh out of me.
I quite like the more Mystical Lore JMS added to the Spider-Mythos, I just find the idea interesting that even though it's a legend steeped in spider gods and magical webs of life, Peter's powers are still a creation of science and yet he's one of the most important totems.
Would have worked better in a elseworld book in the vein of batman damned
Well great news sins past is finally retconned out of existence and I am so happy. :)
Oh cool 600th episode. Can’t wait to see what he’s review *sees Sins Past* oh god no.
1:09 the way you deliver the "Oh, god damn it!" is so good.
Lewis, those neck snapping jokes are going to land you right in front of Mephisto yourself. Lol
That's his plan: When he dies he's going to go all Doom Slayer on every bad comic book artist and writer that's ever died and been sent to hell. He's going to save Mephisto for last, and do something unspeakably nasty to him to make him finally undo the deal at long last.
@@bowenorcutt78 That would finally give him leeway to say "NOW I'M RADIOACTIVE! THAT CAN'T BE GOOD!"
The first Modern (at the time) Spider-Man comic I ever read...
Yeah...
Woof. Sorry dude
Mine too. I feel your pain, friend.
My first one was ultimate Spiderman vol 2...
I was lucky
Gotta say I love how Linkara just blindly picks Sins Past in a panic, only to realize he's in for another infamously bad Spider-Man book, that is pretty much Gwen Stacy's answer to One More Day (Sins Past assassinates Gwen Stacy's character the same way One More Day does to Peter Parker's with the deal with Mephistopho).
It also adds to the long list of bad things Norman Osborn has done, that end up hurting Peter.
Forget shade, that eclipse thrown at Snob in the beginning. Damn.
(P.S. not supporting Snob by saying this. The crap he’s pulled lately deserves acknowledgment and I laughed at the joke at his expense)
Out of the loop. What did Snob say?
¡Yeah! ¿what was it?
Same man I’m not on Twitter and I haven’t thought of the snob since AT4W the movie
Basically, Brad said some things about the CTC movement that made people upset, then he accused people in the movement of sending people to harass him and his family, despite people constantly saying they never sent anyone after him.
TLDR: Brad basically alienated all of his friends by basically laughing at their bad experiences like they weren’t anything that bad and accusing them of things they didn’t do.
Edit: In hindsight, I was criticizing Brad to attack his reputation, and that was uncalled for. I don’t agree with the things he did or said, but it was still uncalled for. I shouldn’t have said this.
+TF2Fan101 Pretty much. Yeah. And a lot of it seemed to be directed at Lupa, who has gone on record with texts that back up her claims against Brad.
Unreasonably vicious and uncool lately.
And years later, they retconned this. Thank god
0:34 This is actually sad. They used to be such friends but now...let's just say NC's not the only reviewer I don't watch anymore.
Who did that?
@@kyleshea384 Brad AKA Cinema Snob
@@Igarappappa What exactly did he do?
@@Shadethewolfy They made up a SWAT attempt and blamed it on Obscurus Lupa.
@@Igarappappa woof, that sucks... What an asshole.
All I can say is.... thank got for Spider-Gwen/Ghost-Spider comics and Into the Spider-Verse for making Gwent Stacey a character devoid of embarrassing stories for once.
But isn't she treading similar stories to that of Peter Parker (currently condemned as an irresponsible man-child, even if Nick "Hail Hydra" Spencer made him and Mary Jane a couple)?
Darsi Padilla Ok 1. Spencer’s Spider-Man run has been heavily praised and Secret Empire was well received for the most part so get over it.
And 2. No there’s enough variation in Gwen’s comic to keep her interesting. For exactly she’s actually made peace with her symbiote costume.
@Trevor Anthony maybe Marvel should have left Gwen alone BEFORE Sins Past. Who am I kidding? Maybe MC2 Spider-Man and his cast's story should have been the proper canon.
@@benwasserman8223 , the fact that the original Captain America is a nazi and the current one is created by the cosmic cube just come as questionable. Then again, there are clones and whatnot.😕🤷♂️
As for Spencer's run, I wish I can trust it; but the true villains in comic books are bad editors and management who either play the same dance, make unnecessary changes that make milestone growths meaningless, etc.
@@alexandredesbiens-brassard9109 more like a stain on the creation by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby.
Wow, here I am thinking everyone wants to move on and so I feel bad every time I bring up the whole CA schism and Brad's willingness to alienate everyone just to be the one guy who stayed, and the first minute of this video is Lewis taking the most superbly epic potshot I've ever witnessed. God I love this show!
So whats the story with the intro
@Cody Carney Brad alienating everyone, probably...
I don't pay attention to CinemaSnob, I didn't really get into his stuff even in CA's heyday. I'm going to need greater context and detail for what went down.
NobodyC13 Lets just say Brad burned a lot of bridges especially after lying about the fact Aillsion swat his house a claim he zero proof of and Aillsion debunked.
@@laragallahue7127 i think initially he blamed her for harassment him and his family was getting from her fan base but don't quote me on that
*Sees the thumbnail
Oh we’re going there aren’t we?
*Sees Linkara in a toga
Oh we're going there aren't we? ...good. Let 'im burn.
* Sees thumbnail *
"Oh, is this going to be "The Night Gwen Stacy Died"? Iconic comic, but is it really worth the milestone?"
* Comic is "Sin's Past" *
"I don't think I heard about it, but go on."
* Twin children of Gwen Stacy *
"Oh my God.. is this the one I think it is?!! O_O"
When are you coming back Shinobi?
mad respect to you calling out bradikan, even if you dont mention him by name. that guy sucks
who's bradikan and what did he do.
Yeah I wanna know too
@@youtube-kit9450 Brad Jones. The cinema snob.
@@youtube-kit9450 he insulted the change the channel folks for speaking out
@@MrGrimreaper512 Didn't know Brad Jones' nickname was Bradikan.
About the beginning, it really saddens me with how a once united gang had fallen apart due to bad decisions that could have easily been avoided.
Guess the "Caligula comic" is officially a running gag.
Rather, this is me retiring the gag.
@@AT4W Right.
@@AT4W shame. I actually really wanted a review of that at some point. I haven't read the comic, or know anything about Caligula. I just love when long running gags like that get pay off.
@@AT4W shearling Linkara share will eventually get the comic one day. Anyway. Happy 600 episode!
@@daltonwilliams1723 Wonder if someone will eventially Patreon it.
Well this is one Sins of the past not even JMS or Spider-Man can't forget.
1:08 - 1:12 (Insert that Avatar The Last airbender meme with the guy with foam coming from his mouth in fangasming glory)
THIS IS GONNA HURT US! AND LINKARA!
His name is Foamy.
I could _almost_ see a "she was pregnant" working _if_ they also said that the birth was massively prematurely, like at least 3 months, possibly aided by comic book supertech or magic or something to keep the premature babies alive. But even that would be a stretch...
And then aging them up with science and such, which gets equally weird, like Superboy
The joke at the beginning makes me a bit sad. Not because they're no longer friends, but because how much of an ass do you have to be before Linkara decides to cut ties? Dude is pretty dang understanding and forgiving, but Brad somehow manages to go so far above and beyond that pretty much everyone who left the site have cut ties with him.
Brad went too far.
Fun note about the first comic being generic: you mentioned that it could be "on any comic cover, and it'd make sense." I actually had that comic cover as a poster. No text or anything, just the art. I had it for YEARS, like it must've been purchased right around when the comic released because I was young enough to not remember. I had it in my room for pretty much my whole childhood.
Today is the first time I've known it was a cover. I never suspected.
Linkara: awwwwwwwww . I hate one more day
Me ;HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
My favorite joke yet
Congrats on 600 episodes, Linkara! And no, the fact I’ve been watching your videos for over a decade doesn’t make me feel old at all.
(Sees thumbnail)
Me: Oh cool! It looks like he might review the comic that killed Gwen Stacey and shaped comics to come.
(Remembers what "Sin's Past" actually was about)
Me: ... can we go back to looking at Jelloman and Wobbly?
It took me a second to recognize the SFDebris cameo. Nice.
Always good to hear Chuck.
9:05
GRATUITOUS ADORABLE KITTY
3:18 Let's do this.
5:34 "That's Good." Seriously, I like the idea of "Spider Totems" so much. It makes him sound cooler, a mix of science and magic.
5:42 Sometimes we get Superior Spiderman, or Spiderverse, sometimes we get stories like this. Brief aside, if you haven't read Superior Foes of Spiderman yet, I would advise that you fix that. It's funny, and you root for some of these guys by the end of it.
8:08 Or as I know it, "The one with Norman banging Gwen Stacy." Ugh, let's begin the autopsy, shall we? *Snaps glove*
9:24 "Why do I feel so... *Trapped* ?" This story could probably use a bit of Dan McNeely.
9:58 So...he's Batroc, then? Ah, Batroc from the Unbelievable Gwenpool series.
24:24 *Details* , man. They are important.
30:00 Then, there's the question of "How old are these people? How long were they in hiding?" They look like they're in their twenties, while Peter looks only a few years older. "What *time* is it?!"
“Contortionist man, contortionist man, in constant pain, contortionist man!!!” Always makes me laugh 😆 also laugh when I here the joke about gwens “pain the neck”
Also: we find out that Linkara was wearing grey socks the day he recorded that bit 😅
Congratulations linkara on 600 episodes.
That is quite an accomplishment.
Sorry you had to start on a somberish note with the Channel awesome Caligula bit but you gotta bury the past to move on to a more prosperous future.
Hopefully you, Snob, doug, Noah, and the others can move on with your lives.
Anyways. Been a fan of your for 10 years and I love your work.
God bless you Lewis.