I have to imagine Dr. Doom saw Hulk show up and kick Reed Richards' ass, then summarily started cheering and planning to award Hulk the Latverian equivalent to the Medal of Valor.
and have Two Powerful Mutants (Wolverine and Colossus) end up like Hulk’s punching bag (Wolverine got his brain smack against his Metal Skull by The Hulk’s Fist repeatedly and The Hulk have broke Colossus’ Arms like nothing)
There’s a moment in castlevania where Trevor learns why Dracula is on the warpath, and he just kind of goes “…fuck.” Drac is attacking because a bunch of priests killed his wife for being a doctor. He is, at least by standards of revenge, in the right.
@@YouthRightsRadicalThinking about it, I don’t think we’ve ever seen the hulk go against the specter. Not that it would end well for the Hulk… Also, only thing greater than Ghost Rider saying the Illuminati had it coming was him trying to use the penance stare on Spider-Man. Only the old Parker luck and Peter’s guilt complex means Ghost Rider can’t punish Peter because he already punished himself with the same intensity of the penance stare. And redundancy is one of GR’s few weaknesses.
Mr.13 indeed, when the guy who once threatened to flood the surface because someone wouldn't go on a date with him, is the voice of reason you definitely have gone to far.
Tony: Everything I’ll ever do...I do to protect this world. Which is why I forcefully imprisoned several of my superhero friends and sent psychopathic killers after the heroes who just didn’t agree with what I wanted.
It's called hack writing. Tony has been the number one target of hack writers since the first Extremis storyline reignited interest in the character. And yes I'm mainly talking about Bendis the Hack.
To this day I remember a friend and I were buying the Planet Hulk comics and thought: - "You know what maybe this is an ending for the Hulk story until there's a big crisis and planet Earth receives back up from Sakaar" So when the story ended I was almost crying and she threw an Ironman figure across the room because all we wanted was a good ending for our fav hero the green guy... also we made a pizza party while reading WWH and enjoying Tony getting smashed.
Now I'm imagining a version of events where Sakaar eventually evacuates because of Galactus, so Hulk takes everyone who doesn't want to go off into the universe to Earth. And they arrive during Secret Invasion.
@@crimsondynamo615 he actually is a benevolent ruler. seriously, he improved the lives of the citizenry under his reign to an outstanding degree and turned them into a world power. Doom really is just that good
Fun thing that he didn't cover. A tie-in issue has Hulk fight Ghost Rider. Strange is keeping an eye on the battle, and describes the Rider as one of the few beings that could take the Hulk. Or, more accurately, the source of the Rider's power. Johnny Blaze is knocked out, and we see this power, as Zarathos, the true Spirit of Vengeance, awakens and takes control of his body. Zarathos and Hulk stare at each other for a moment...and then the true Ghost Rider gets on his bike, and rides away. The demon Zarathos has a rule: he acts to punish the guilty, but he will not harm the innocent, even through inaction. AND THE ILLUMINATI ARE FAR FROM INNOCENT. It says something when the DEMON thinks you f*cked up and leaves you to your karma. As for no consequences, I'd argue that the blow to the public faith that Tony and Reed suffered was compounded by the Secret Invasion, and it opened the door to them getting ousted from their SHIELD-funded positions and the people choosing someone else to be the top cop. A pity that someone was Norman Osborn, aka the GREEN F*CKING GOBLIN!
I know it's a tie in but a mention about Xavier in this story is actually pretty warranted. Hulk actually goes to the mansion and demands to know how Xavier would have voted if he was present. Xavier said he would have done it but only until they found a cure and OWNS UP TO IT before surrendering to the Hulk. The XMen try to stop it and get curb stomped. The only reason Xavier isn't in MSG is because Hulk finds out about M-Day and claims that the X-men have suffered enough, that Xavier is in his own hell based on his own mistakes. Looks like someone at Marvel actually GOT THE MEMO
Also, love Darwins bit in that tie-in. The guy can suddenly evolve to survive anything, in front of the hulk he suddenly gets the power to teleport far away.
I also really liked the Tie in with Ghost Rider, where he very well *would've* won... if he didn't suddenly think of the Hulk as being justified. The Spirit of Vengeance *agreed* with Hulk and Strange knew it was because they were the ones with blood on their hands.
The quick cut to Popo going "He's gonna die." had me laughing *far* harder than I should have. Also, I really do have to wonder how Hulk and his Warbound would have responded if *any* of those four had simply said - "I'm sorry." No excuses, no deflections, no rationalizations - just a quiet admission of guilt and remorse. And this makes "Hulk: The End" even *sadder* as the Hulk tells off Banner for wanting to be with his "friends" in death, as those "friends" were nothing but hateful towards the Hulk himself.
CButtonshaw Great, now I have this image of Namor and Doctor Doom eating pocorns while watching Hulk beating others and laughing extra hard whenever Reed Richards tries to explain themselves and gets shocked and pummeled for it.
I think the Subtitle for World war hulk should have been what Linkara said at 19:25 "Bruce Banner is Just as Pissed as the Hulk, and you aren't going to be able to talk him down!"
You really know something is wrong with your heroes, when the green monster that has brought and alien armada to invade and destroy New York, motivated only by vengeance... is the one on the right side of the argument.
Indeed, it's also how I felt on the DC side too. Betrayed. Abandonded. Hurt. I grew tired of this, so I sought hope elsewhere, as the comic book industry was looking bleak, as the ripples of the big two can be felt across the industry: Ken Penders' rampage in the Sonic the Hedgehog archie comics, Image's Youngblood, Holy Terror, and many, many more. This is no longer about heroism. It became about arrogance. And WWH was a comeuppance to remember.
Even the folks who had to evacuate their homes and suffered millions of dollars in property damage still said "nah, we're with the green rage monster, you guys suck".
at least reed's kama would slowly come back to bite him. the first taste of karma would come in the form of the council of reeds. and also, him getting almost neutralized during the skrull invasion. by johnny's ex posing as his wife. idon't know iron man though
JohnnyElRed I will admit that I haven't read the series, and that I do think that they were in the wrong to exile him; but I don't think that Hulk is right either. Both the wormhole and the explosion were accidents that they didn't predict. Revenge won't help anything and just makes me think that everyone is in the wrong all around.
What's everybody's favorite version of Hulk? My personal favorite is the Earth's Mightiest Heroes version. Also, when friggin Namor is the one who is saying "Hey guys I think we're going a bit too far" maybe take a step back and reevaluate your plan
Namor. The guy who routinely held New York hostage with his Atlantean abilities all because he couldn't accept Sue Storm wasn't into him. When HE's the one pointing out your douchebaggery, you know you done fucked up.
Though with Namor, it also could very well be that he didn't want to do it because he's friends with the Hulk to an extent, less so that it was too extreme an action.
2 Things to say: 1) The animated Planet Hulk movie rocks 2) Gotta love that the guy who has consistently failed to defeat the Hulk is the one who goes in when Iron Man, Doc Samson, Dr. Strange, the Fantastic 4 (PS, where's The Thing?), and a load of other super powered individuals have failed to stop him. Dude's got balls. They're gonna be kicked so hard they come out his mouth...but still, he's got em.
@@redrasegarden Yeah, it happened again in the 90's & the 2000's. Cuz there was story arc of Ben dying, then coming back as a human and didn't want to be a hero
I liked Secret Wars Hulk who was able to use his own brain, unclouded by the rage when they occupied the planet created by, The Beyonder. Doc Doom as the hero?? Classic.
SuperChochip Is Shaq unlikable? I mean this is the Illuminati we're talking about. I feel like we need a star that matches how much these heroes suck in this world. Then again, Shaq's free throws blow chunks... LOL
I only read the Ghost Rider tie in to this, and they make Dr. Strange come off as worse. Johny Blaze goes to talk down the Hulk, fight ensueues, The Rider takes control and... leaves. Strange says "Ghost Rider only avenges the innocent, which were're not"... so Dr Strange KNOWS it's his and the others' fault, but STILL won't take responisbility.
How sad is it that it's usually the bad event comics that do horrible damage to notable characters (Tony and Carol being biggest current examples) that are the ones with the longest lasting consequences but the good ones that can potentially fix character problems get barely addressed outside of a few books?
I imagine he's chilling in Atlantis with a bag of popcorn and a shit-eating grin on his face as he watches Hulk beat the living hell out of his teammates.
Was it really so hard for someone to have Richards say: *"I am truly sorry for what happened Hulk. That Bomb was only meant as a last resort, if it truly triggered as you said, then the blood of countless lives now stain our hands. But this rampage will only stain yours as well."*
There's a reason why such a book won't be made. If Worldbreaker Hulk had the infinity gauntlet, he would be so strong he would be able to punch anyone who read the book. Anyone who reads it would need to sign a waiver and have life insurance.
I am half convinced that if Marvel can slip a pun into a sound effect, even if the pun makes no sense for the situation, it is editorial mandate to slip in the pun.
god, Hulk deserved a much happier ending than this. hell I don't want him to STOP being the hulk, btu I would have loved to see the wife dynamic to all of this, hulk as a father, etc.
He still got a son, but Marvel keep them separated a lot. Than for some reasons most Marvel writers can't write a father and son story that decent or kid characters in general.
@@elijahwatson3474 I also want the same sentiment for Peter Parker; him and Mary Jane, his wife, facing the world and reality with their daughter Mayday...I can only dream. But if I were in the Marvel Universe in its current state, I might as well be the anti-hero or anti-villain in order to set things right.
Darsi Padilla Oh yeah Mayday and Benji, Spiderverse show people can take a older Spiderman, I would to see Spider-Man as actual parent in the comics more.
I would've loved to see a Spiderman: renew your vows like continuation to planet hulk. Where Hulk and Caiera raise their son on Sakaar: fighting off alien invaders and crime within their kingdom
More loke subtweeting tbh, which is a trope I'm mixed on with Big Two comics Yes, by all means, use bad ideas established previously to tell good stories, but especially in more recent stuff it just feels unnecessary, just a scolding from one character to another, followed by that character hanging their head in shame and then nothing else Like, you wanna pick a fight with the writer before you, challenge them to a fist fight in the Denny's parking lot like normal people XD
I like how everyone knows that the Hulk gets stronger the angrier he gets and all their ideas to try and stop him is to infuriate him even more instead of, you know, trying to calm him down.
@Adam Sherman & @Steven Choza Honestly, I'd say both versions of Korg and Miek work well for the vastly different versions of the story they're a part of. The humorous takes of them are well-written and fit within the lighter tone of the movie, but that doesn't invalidate the darker versions of them from the original. It's like how movie Thanos has a complete change in his goals and motivations, but it works perfectly well within the different context of the MCU and how its version of the Gems work.
Apparently Marvel still doenst hold the film rights to Hulk, Universal does. So they’d be unable to make a solo Hulk film without Univerdial getting most of the profits. I imagine Ragnarok was there attempt to do SOME of Planet Hulk since Disney likely wouldn’t green light a new Hulk film
The joke you made about the Hulk, being rocketed into space; and watching bad movies and riffing on them, gave me the mental image of him taking up five chairs; watching Space Mutiny. Hulk: David Ryder not that big! David Ryder puny human!
24:06-25:39 *Hulk:* Remember this, puny humans. We came here for *justice,* not murder. *Hulk:* So no one on your planet has *died* by our hands. And no one *will.* *Hulk:* But we'll make sure no one on earth will ever forget what you are. *Hulk:* Liars. *Hulk:* Traitors. *Hulk:* And killers. *Reed Richards:* For the last time Bruce. We didn't-- *MST3K Hosts:* SHUT UP! *Linkara:* Like, seriously, Reed, for the smartest man alive, you really are dumb. What the hell could you possibly have to say that you think would convince him to do things otherwise? *Linkara (v/o):* It doesn't matter if you intended on it or not, it happened! Crying out "you didn't mean to" is irrelevant. You did it-and you keep doing it! That's what's so frustrating about this era of the Marvel Universe: the Hulk is absolutely right! These supposed heroes are liars, traitors, and killers-and yet we're still supposed to root for them and agree with them! It was said in a tie-in issue that the reason why they didn't just ask Banner if it'd be okay to send him off to another planet while they worked on a cure was because he might say "no" and thus, they'd never be able to trick him into doing this. They knew it was wrong to do this without his consent, they knew it was wrong to lie to him and trick him. And even if you could forgive that, their action still resulted in the deaths of millions of people, regardless of the revelations we're about to see! *Linkara:* So, Reed, shove your excuses and your "We didn't mean to!" right up your oh-so stretchable asshole!
Hi Linkara I just wanted to say thank for years of amazing entertainment, that is both meaningful, knowledgeable, funny and damn entertaining all at once again thank you and keep up the good work, you rock! Oh and thank you for introducing me to Blind Graudian via your intro last episode their band is amazing their my new favorite symphonic rock band, and the song you chose Sacred Worlds definitely fits the theme of event comics, heck if you made a music video of Infinity War with that song it would fit the film perfectly that song is truly epic and downright timeless, thank you Linkara.
"I'VE COME TO SMASH....Final Destination, no items, no Meta Knight" "Oh great, so he's one of THOSE players. As if this day couldn't get any more miserable." Great stuff. And yes, it is frustrating how good events never seem to have any impact on things while bad events had ramifications for years.
As good as this story is, it reminds me of why I dislike Marvel so much in this era. Sure it may be fun for some to see characters like Tony get the shit kicked out of them, but for me it is not remotely satisfying. You can have characters do dickish things and border on villains all you want, but I wont really like seeing them pay for it, if them doing those things in the first place was out of character, or their reactions are out of character. Now I buy some of Tony's actions in Civil War and here, but as an Iron Man fan, i don't buy how he went about a lot of them. That's why I am so conflicted on there not being lasting consequences, sure I would like to see these characters pay in the context of the universe, but I know they did not make those dickheaded decisions; their writers did for the sake of drama and edginess. Seeing Tony get beaten up cause Millar could not write him properly is not fun for me, it just reminds me of why I prefer DC. Like the final crisis Batman example, Bruce's role in Ted's death made sense within the character, did not feel like it was done out of nowhere, he was not an irredeemable jerk about it, and he saw his mistake. Not only does Marvel rarely make their character pay long term for their mistakes these days, even when they do make them pay it feels off cause often those mistakes feel artificial or the characters react like assholes over it. Which does not make me hate them, but rather hate the writers. If you wanna have Tony make some massive mistakes and pay for it, that's great; but then have him actually pay for it in character and make an effort to change, and importantly make sure that said mistakes are not character assassination. Like the Brother Eye example, Batman making it was wrong, but he admitted fault, and even when he did so, you can still understand why he made the mistake in the first place. He does not become a straw man in order to tell the story is my point.
"I know they did not make those decisions; their writers did for the sake of drama and edginess" AND WE HAVE A WINNER!!!! part of the reason MCU works is that they know how to make things serious when they can ans goofy when they can't. Black Panther could be semi-serious because it's world is semi-realistic. You can't do that with hulk he's just too big and strong.
That's a fantastic point. Part of why I love the MCU Civil War is cause it manages to have everyone's stance make sense for who they are, be valid, have none of them cross to much of a line, and at the end of the day give a good reason for why Tony and Steve are not handling this as well as they would otherwise. Both groups are right and wrong, and in the end they all still respect one another. The MCU managed to make a heroes vs heroes film, and a tragedy, while still maintaining the fact that these people are heroes.
meanwhile They know how ridiculous the hulk's premise is and how ridiculously overpowered he is so what do they do? [ut him in a giant planet sized play pen with monsters that match his strength and durability and let the cheesball role from their. Thor Ragnorok I felt was dragged by it's first half, but once we got to Planet Hulk it was a blast from start to finish. I still don't like Stark but it sounds like he's better handled in the MCU vs the comics.
Well said! Just because the hero is arrogant and flawed doesn't give writers free pass to just make the character a total jerk to point of being irredeemable. We should be able to see character flaws but also their potential to learn from their mistakes and becoming better person through their experiences. I think the best exemple of Tony being a jerk and yet still being portrayed in character is one my favorite Iron Man stories Armors Wars, in which the plot is about he discovering that his technology was stolen and sold to criminals, causing Tony go on crusade against this villains, to deactive their armors. However he so driven by guilt and paranoia that he makes many mistakes and questionable actions, from going beserk and beating and almost killing a criminal after hurting a civilian, invading Russia and causing a international incident, attacking the federal agent Stingray (who didn't use his technology) and trying to deactive the armors of the guardsmen (guards of the prison Vault) and fighting Captain America. The difference is that, unlike Civil War era, Tony actually feels remorse for his actions, he reflects on his actions recognize the damage he caused to the point he "fired Iron Man" (in that period, people thought Iron Man was Stark's bodyguard) from Stark Enterprise and leaves the Avengers, so his friends won't have to pay for his mistake. It's this moments and actions that help readers care for Tony and want to see him redeem himself for his mistakes.
I loved Planet Hulk until the very end. It was a needlessly tragic ending and a waste of potential. I wanted Hulk to build a galactic empire and explore new possibilities, but they kept the status quo.
If I ever saw the Hulk coming at me yelling “YOU KILLED HER!” I’d GTFO there and put as many miles, planets, and universes between me and him as humanly possible. On an unrelated note... uh, Tony... (In Angry Joe voice) You done fucked it up! That goes for the rest of the Illuminati that isn’t Namor.
That only would prolong your inevitable smash Id negotiate a deal where I could search for an alternate timeline where his wife survived and he didn't, so they could reunite
19:25. "Bruce Banner is just as pissed as the Hulk, and you aren't going to be able to talk him down!" That legit sent shivers down my spine when I first heard it, as it honestly makes so much sense and I totally believe it!
Reed...bothers me. More so than any other character I've ever encountered in fiction, Reed comes off as an awful, terrible hero, be it in his treatment of the FF, Hulk or any other Marvel character...and yet, he's also done so many truly wonderful things over the decades that I can't truly hate or even dislike him. Oh, and on another note, I'm not surprised that Final Crisis was chosen here, but I kinda wish that it was saved for the thirtieth anniversery, as a nod to the really early storyline stuff. Oh well, I'm sure the review will be awesome anyway.
i sitll like reed. i feel the karma for all his actions finally catched up with him first with the secret invasion, the reveal ofthe council of reeds (like if that was the multiverse telling reed. "KEEP DOING IT LIKE THAT AND THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL BECOME") AND THEN with the death of jonny (although thatone was misery for the whole team), plushaving to work with victor. AND also figuring out his powers and the ones of his family were slowy killing them, AND THEN the whole fall of the fantastic four AND THEN Seeing evryhting fail to him when he sees his whole family being killed at the beginning of the secretwars AND FINALLY being almost devolved into something pathetic by reed 1610. by the time he confronted victor i like to see it as reed finally redeeming himself for eveything.
Problem is, nobody knows what to do with his character. He's supposed to be a scientist, but to write a credible science character, you actually have to KNOW a bit of science. There was a while where Reed dealt with metaphysical ideas that sound sciencey, but the real-life culture those ideas were based on devolved into new age spiritualism. If they wrote Mr. Fantastic as the 10th Doctor, he'd be an appealing character. Someone who is plagued by his actions in the past, and while trying to atone for them is conflicted with the fact that he has knowledge and technology that, if he isn't careful, can have irrevocable consequences. But he's still charming, and still moral. He isn't detached from reality.
EternalBooda I agree with all of this. Personally I never saw Reed as a difficult character to write for, just have him work on his social skills whilst also dealing with being a father and a scientist. He should be a confident scientist but a social wreck who keeps a lot of secrets from everyone, but as the story pans out he should make more friends (Tony, Bruce, Hank (both Pym and McCoy), Charles) but also face his secretive past with dignity and regret, and not with denial.
Even if it's a loose adaptation, I'd love to see this become an AVENGERS movie. Maybe bring in the Leader, so there's some closure from THE INCREDIBLE HULK (2008).
bigfatcarp93, the Leader and General Ross. The Leader could be under the impression he can control the Hulk, which Ross jumps at the thought of. They could have gone with the typical secret family that he loses, similar to Magneto in X-MEN: APOCALYPSE. But that might have been better suited as a sequel to AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON, and rather than Banner being on another planet for two years, instead he's been hiding somewhere on Earth. I still think it could work if they tried. It doesn't have been be exactly like the comic. Grief stricken, Hulk goes mad with rage trying to hunt down Ross and the Leader, with military personnel and numerous heroes who sided with the Sokovia Accords getting in the way. I wouldn't mind seeing Betty Ross again, and maybe Red-Hulk, but I run the risk of this idea being more of an INCREDIBLE HULK 2 than an AVENGERS: WORLD WAR HULK.
Here's the fundamental problem with the entire WWH scenario: It requires the four heroes who Hulk blames for his wife's death (not to mention the collapse of his entire kingdom) to actually fight the Hulk. The original heroes Stan Lee created would have gone along quietly, preventing the risk of any people being killed or property getting destroyed, while making their claims about not planting a bomb in the Hulk's shuttle look WAY more convincing. But then, of course, we wouldn't get any boom-boom pow-pow action. It's a case of character sacrificed for the sake of spectacle.
Also, in regards to She-Hulk and the remark she made of bringing the Illuminati to justice, was there any attempt made by her in filing a legal case against them? Seeing that Jenifer Walters was a lawyer, that would have made an interesting story for her.
I loved this storyline. To an extent with my most favorite moment being that fight between Ghost Rider and Hulk and yes I know it happens in a tie-in issue. But this fight results in Johnny actually giving full control to Zarathos which only happens rarely and even though technically Zarathos wins him and Johnny leave cause they realize their duty is to punish guilty and not harm the innocent even through inaction with realizing that most of the Illuminati are not innocent and leaves them to what they deserve meaning it's saying something when a demon realizes you're in the wrong. This combined with the Secret Invasion results in Tony and Reed getting kicked out of SHIELD and SHIELD being replaced by HAMMER which is led by Norman Osborne aka the Green Goblin which ultimately does more harm then good especially when Norman orders the assault on New Asgard and Aries the mythical Greek God of War actually calls out Norman on how this is a bad idea which results in Norman ordering a Void-possessed Sentry to murder him. And how does Hercules' half-brother die at the hands of the Void by having the Void rip him in half with his bare hands with no effort.
The new Illuminati: a group consisting of Deadpool, Gwenpool, Squirrel Girl, Moon Girl, and Devil Dinosaur. They are a shadowy cabal that secretly runs the world in an attempt to make the marvel universe funny again.
Hulk never killed anyone, it's explained by Amadeus Cho in canon. It is the single fact that made me stop reading Marvel. If Hulk's violent rampages never have any consequences but property damage, then WTF is the big deal?
Thats the thing, Amadeus had to point it out. That implies the belief is that people did die from Hulk's rampages killed people. Also property damage is still a big deal. If I ran a tank through several buildings, they wouldn't be like "well he didn't kill anyone so I guess we can let him off the hook"
Kill an entire city of four million people, and you rob them of their future. _Destroy_ an entire city of four million people, and you cloud their future with suffering and pain for years to come.
thund3rchild I call bs on that. When Hulk does what he does, there *has* to be a few casualties. Sure, they'd be unintentional, but it'd be a huge consequence to Hulk going nuts. Its not like Bruce is in control, therefore, can avoid citizens if need be, and the worst case scenario would be tons of destroyed buildings if he was fighting Red Hulk or Abomination(like Superman in MoS, he *tried* taking the fight elsewhere, but Zod stopped him from doing that. And before that, those Terraformers did so much damage). Its the mindless Hulk we all know, the one that gets stronger the angrier he gets. There would have to be tons of unintentional repercussions whenever Hulk goes on a rampage. All those rampages cant be handwaved to people not getting hurt(it sucks that its canon). Thats lazy af. Thats like the early DBZ English Dubs, where when Vegeta & Nappa attacked, there was a line after it saying that civilians were exvacuated, or something alone those lines, even though the two(mainly Nappa) wrecked shit.
The thing with the Hulk somehow not killing any civilians isn't a matter of realism to me; it's one of consequence. It's saying that with all the times the Hulk has lost control, the damage was always just to property or injuries people could recover from? No. That is stupid. I called out Man of Steel for this and the Hulk as a character is no different.
Fuzzy Barbarian he never killed anyone doesn't mean people got off Scott free, if no-one died from his more extreme rampages then that means a sizable number of people were probably left with brain damage, paralysis, comas (they don't get counted in death tolls) or any number of far as far worse than death. People left, homeless, jobless, families destroyed by these injuries. This series was the cruel face of karma for all the main characters, but only hulk could realise that and accept responsibility.
"Family destroyed"? Unless they're dead, it's not destroyed. Maybe their houses or possessions, but they themselves aren't destroyed. Maybe the story where this is mentioned does mention serious injuries, but the idea that the Hulk *never* killed a single person while rampaging *does* remove the feeling of consequence.
Retroactively in BvS, yes. But when the movie first came out, there was noticeable backlash because it was never addressed in the movie itself, along with the collateral damage (i.e. when Clark moves to Metropolis at the end, it's perfectly fine).
This is why I like that the MCU has confirmed deaths at the Hulk's hands. Not a ton, and they probably underplay it more than they should, but he's definitely killed innocents.
one of the things with lack of fallout is that Secret Invasion happened like less than a year later so it was A: the Marvel equivilant of a 24 hour news cycle moved on quick B: there was other shit to deal with and C: the blame for Civil War and World War Hulk got passed on to the Skrulls despite them never being the instigators of either events (just encouraging and profiting from them)
+Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall OMG YESS. YESSS. YESSSSSSS. YOU'VE MADE MY DAY. THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR. YOU HAVE DONE US JUSTICE THIS DAY. THANK YOU LINKARA. I LOVE YOU
The writer who replaced heroism in the Marvel universe with moral relativism is Brian Michael Bendis. He's the architect of the current "Modern Age of No-Heroes." He just signed an exclusive contract with DC, and has been put on Superman. Pray for Big Blue.
24:27 that speech explains so well why I hated this era of the marvel universe, these heroes we loved and cared about were turned into liars, traitors, and killers, and we're supposed to root for them? No, mother of God, NO!! They need to pay for their crimes, learn from all this to become better heroes and try to make up for their sins so that they can regain the trust they've lost so mean spiritedly!
Some of the best tie-ins I've ever read came out of this book. An especially gratifying one was Hulk fighting Ghost Rider, another hero with a theoretically bottomless well of power he can draw on...but it ends in a stalemate after Ghost Rider determines that Hulk isn't guilty or a threat to anyone innocent, as the Illuminati are anything BUT.
19:26 is why I love World War Hulk. Banner is just as angry as Hulk is. He’s lost everything and been betrayed by those he called friends. He’s beyond pissed and has every right to be. Even if the Illuminati didn’t kill his wife, they’re the reason she’s dead.
Two things that Linkara left out that I would have liked to see. When the Hulk gets super pissed at the end, he takes a step and shakes the entire eastern seaboard. And there is a tie in issue where the Hulk goes to the X mansion and beats down all of the x-men. Even knocking out Wolverine in one punch.
I was wondering why Prof. X seemed to not incur Hulk's wrath. Wasn't their also a tie in issue where Hulk gets sent to the Dark Dimension and fights Red She-Hulk?
Basically, in that same tie in, Professor X owns up to what happened and then the Hulk found out about M-Day and decided that he'd suffered enough and left him be.
I remember spoony pointing out how the city was repaired in about a month. despite how it would take generations in order to fix everything. Reset button
I know you met it as joke, but I could actually see The Hulk coming to Earth with half the universe as an army with the infinity gauntlet. But then again I think you were half jokingly said that. This is a great episode.
"It doesn't matter if you intended on it or not." Yes it kind of does. The Hulk and his warbound keep denouncing them as murderers because of a "bomb" on the ship. But the didn't plan a bomb. The whole reason they sent him into space was to save his life because after the Las Vegas rampage Maria Hill very unsubtly hinted to Tony that if he didn't find a away to neutralise the Hulk SHIELD and the government would kill him. The deaths in Las Vegas, and yes there were deaths despite what that hack moron Amadeus Cho later tried to insist, were the final straw in their eyes so The Illuminati made a hasty decision that was Bruce Banner's benefit as well as everyone else. Now yeah the Hulk has every right to be angry over everything that happened but he's definitely not the good guy in this. The real heroes are the other heroes who stand against him because while the admit that Tony and Reed, and to a lesser extent Strange, have done wrong the Hulk and his Warbound aren't much better at this point. And the Hulk beats the crap out of them and puts slave collars on them, including his own cousin. His final intention is to raise New York which yes won't kill anyone because it's been evacuated but this will destroy the homes and livelihoods of millions of people who've done nothing to him. So no The Hulk is not "absolutely right". Neither are Tony Stark and Reed Richards but don't insist that this conflict is one-sided. Both sides are right and both sides are wrong. And it's why Worlds War Hulk is actually my favourite hero-vs-hero story because it's the only one that gets it.
Yeah basically. It's what all the hero vs hero stories should have but don't. Usually they try to have a definite right and wrong side. But usually I end up agreeing with the side that the story tries to argue is in the wrong.
Except the explosion was caused by the warp drive in their ship, they are in fact culpable for all the deaths on Sakaar because they made such a dangerous engine. And like Linkara said, they knew exiling Banner without asking, without his consent was wrong, but did it anyway. They are the assholes in this, not Hulk. Hulk didn't kill anyone. And there weren't any deaths in Vegas, the only person to say otherwise was Maria Hill and she's not exactly trustworthy. And to Banner's benefit? Banner himself clearly disagrees, he sided with Hulk on this. In the end Hulk is far more sympathetic here than the so call heroes who continue to do morally questionable actions even after this.
Actually, they're STILL murderers. Remember, this is just after Civil War, so in point of fact, Reed and Tony ARE murderers. They nano-slaved the Green Goblin to kill not one, but two Atlantian ambassadors to start a war, which in turn killed even more people, so they could force the heroes in their illegal black site in the negative zone to fight alongside them. So yeah, they're still murderers and traitors all. You don't get to keep signing off on an Illuminati group, then dip out of responsibility later.
Considering the fact that that version of him was still living in his parent's basement (and there weren't any shelves behind him) I think it's pretty safe to say that that future has been retconned out of existence.
One of my favourite moments is the X-men crossover, where Scott basically throws all sorts of X-men at Hulk in order to stop him in fun combinations (Siryn+Dazzler, etc.) and after the first fails he's like "Okay, time for Plan 2." "Don't you mean Plan B?" "That would imply I only have 26 plans."
What is with Marvel making its heroes complete assholes in order to sell comics? Both Civil wars and now this have made them unlikable in how they act (especially Tony). Why not just make the culprits hulk villians like the brain, abomination, and Modok? That way you could have a satisfying revenge story without ruining your heroes
And thus about a year ago, I had finally caught up with this show. I went on a HUGE binge of AT4W so I wouldn’t be bored my second semester of sophomore year of high school. (I’m a senior next year) I watched the sleepwalker arc blind, was surprised as all get out when the twist of the new entity was revealed when Comicron one made a fantastic return, and was surprised by Margaret’s new appearance yet again. Learned about so many new heroes and villains and origins thanks to this show and I thank you for that Lewis.
So Hulk blames the illuminati for sending him to a planet where his rage inspires an alien sidekick so much that the sidekick believes the anger is his only true side; therefore not stopping the secret construction of a bomb intended to kill the Hulk, because the Hulk made peace on said alien planet. I'm not sure I agree with Hulks/Banners reasoning here as much as you are, Linkara. Inspiring your alien sidekick to the point where he's ready to blow up a city to stop world peace is kind of on you.
Hulk’s Speech reminds me of Dracula’s speech from the Netflix Castlevania series-Started by the loss of an innocent love, a speech towards the people who fears him, a condemnation of the supposed “good” force, and a warning to leave before he comes to bring ruin.
One of my favorite tie ins into this comic is when the guy who was the current Ghost Rider went after the Hulk and kept trying to force Ghost Rider to come out to fight the Hulk, but when Ghost Rider finally came out all he did was just look at the Hulk then got on his bike a rode away. It wasn't because he was scared of the Hulk it was because the Hulk was justified in his vengeance and Ghost Rider wasn't going to interfere. Those few panels of Ghost Rider looking at the Hulk spoke so much that I truly lost my sh*t after that.
The two thing that have limited Hulk's power: His anger was usually for petty reasons, anger that fades reasonably swiftly after the initial trigger and doesn't continuously build up Bruce existing inside of him, holding him back to whatever extent he's currently able to During World War Hulk? Hulk's wife, unborn son and kingdom just died right in front of him and Bruce is encouraging Hulk every step of the way by feeding him his own anger too An anger that can never fade and only ever grow, combined with the one thing that restrained him now vehemently on his side... The Hulk we see here is probably the most powerful incarnation that could possibly exist and that is TERRIFYING Given how in a much more passive state Hulk threw a literal mountain, I feel his title of Worldbreaker may be quite literal during this event
Would've been better without the 'twist' and if the shuttle had actually accidentally just exploded. But I guess they had to make Strange, Reed, Stark, and other guy look better.
not really it actually kinda makes them look worse since they( the illuminati) never bother to watch or even check on hulk or bruce there. not even doing the bare minimum to make sure he safe hell i bet they didn't even know it was destroyed.
I'm not trying to say the Hulk isn't responsible for his rampages. I firmly believe that justice is a case of "when you make a mess, you clean it up/you make it right". For example: you damage someone else's stuff, you pay or it. You kill a person, you pay your debt to society in jail (and after, but that's a different conversation/fight). And if your actions lead to a planet dying, you take full responsibility for your war crimes, whatever action that may be. It may have been Meek's rebels or whoever who set off he warp core, but it doesn't change the fact that the warp core would NEVER have been there if they hadn't sent Hulk there. Keeping Hulk on earth may have resulted in more "rampages" as they seem to be the only way most writer have to justify "popular hero versus the Hulk" fights, but Hulk hasn't and likely wouldn't have killed millions. No matter how you slice it, Marvels Illuminati are in the wrong and need to clean up their mess, instead of hiding behind their excuses. They made a mess, they make it right. On the other hand I do have to give Marvels writers a tiny bit of credit. People who are rich/famous/in a position of power getting away with their crimes is a much more realistic outcome.
@@jesuschrist22409 Thats a terribley wrong way of taking my rant... It would only be your fault if you personally built the house there 😀. Shitty, barely "able to called a joke" jokes aside, all I meant was that Stark, Richards and anyone else involved with sending Hulk to that planet deserve some of the blame for what happened, but they never get any of it (outside of this event). While typing this out, I was trying to make an example about having a villain make Hulk rampage and then having the villain get away with it and giving Hulk all of the blame, but I realised I don't really care enough about this argument to continue it. Stark Richards and the others who chose to send Hulk away against his will deserves some amount of blame for the destruction a world, that is my opinion. If you disagree, deal with it. If you agree, deal with it. Either way, have a pleasant evening.
Your intro showed me what kind of a story this was, and the more you summarized, the more I wanted to read this comic. Fantastic review Linkara. Looking forward to Final Crisis. Here’s hoping you can make Heads or tails of it. I sure couldn’t.
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“Bruce Banner is just as pissed as the Hulk, and you aren’t going to be able to talk him down.” Maybe the scariest Hulk idea I’ve ever heard.
Amazing line to describe this whole book.
I have to imagine Dr. Doom saw Hulk show up and kick Reed Richards' ass, then summarily started cheering and planning to award Hulk the Latverian equivalent to the Medal of Valor.
BRING DOOM POPCORN SO HE MAY ENJOY THE PAIN OF RICHARDS BETTER!
@@FuugaNatsu GET DOOM A PLANE! THAT GREEN HERO HAS A MEDAL WITH HIS NAME ON IT!
I AM DOOM. MASTER OF THE STICKSHIFT AND I APPROVE OF THIS BEATDOWN.
The valor of Doom.
I think doom would propaplity say ALL PART OF DOOM PLAN
You know you've screwed up when freaking Ghost Rider just looks at the Hulk and says "Screw this, I'm outta here. These guys had it coming."
and have Two Powerful Mutants (Wolverine and Colossus) end up like Hulk’s punching bag (Wolverine got his brain smack against his Metal Skull by The Hulk’s Fist repeatedly and The Hulk have broke Colossus’ Arms like nothing)
There’s a moment in castlevania where Trevor learns why Dracula is on the warpath, and he just kind of goes “…fuck.”
Drac is attacking because a bunch of priests killed his wife for being a doctor. He is, at least by standards of revenge, in the right.
They really should have seen this coming. Who expects a Spirit of Vengeance to step in and stop someone seeking revenge?
@@YouthRightsRadicalThinking about it, I don’t think we’ve ever seen the hulk go against the specter.
Not that it would end well for the Hulk…
Also, only thing greater than Ghost Rider saying the Illuminati had it coming was him trying to use the penance stare on Spider-Man. Only the old Parker luck and Peter’s guilt complex means Ghost Rider can’t punish Peter because he already punished himself with the same intensity of the penance stare.
And redundancy is one of GR’s few weaknesses.
When Namor is the voice of reason you know you've gone too far.
True that. He was the only guy with common sense for once
which is funny in considering hickman's new avengers run
When guy who attacked Wakanda with Dr. Doom and Klaw is saying you are going too far you better believe it.
Mr.13 indeed, when the guy who once threatened to flood the surface because someone wouldn't go on a date with him, is the voice of reason you definitely have gone to far.
Raged Conch it's true though
19:24 that... is a terrifying thought. If Bruce is as pissed, that means there’s absolutely nothing stopping hulk’s vengeance.
It essentially means that the Hulk has unlimited power.
@@coreylineberry8557UNLIMITED POWER!!!!!!!!!!!
Tony: Everything I’ll ever do...I do to protect this world.
Which is why I forcefully imprisoned several of my superhero friends and sent psychopathic killers after the heroes who just didn’t agree with what I wanted.
Chad Riggs Tony Stark: Because screw logic I’m the smart one
GOD was civil war a stupid story.
Teachincally that was Maria hill
It's called hack writing. Tony has been the number one target of hack writers since the first Extremis storyline reignited interest in the character.
And yes I'm mainly talking about Bendis the Hack.
George Perakis
That’s a bit unfair, given all the good spidey work Bendis did, i can understand him making SOME dreadful things.
To this day I remember a friend and I were buying the Planet Hulk comics and thought:
- "You know what maybe this is an ending for the Hulk story until there's a big crisis and planet Earth receives back up from Sakaar"
So when the story ended I was almost crying and she threw an Ironman figure across the room because all we wanted was a good ending for our fav hero the green guy... also we made a pizza party while reading WWH and enjoying Tony getting smashed.
watch the movie and think of it like a AU happy ending, it's what I do
Now I'm imagining a version of events where Sakaar eventually evacuates because of Galactus, so Hulk takes everyone who doesn't want to go off into the universe to Earth.
And they arrive during Secret Invasion.
The old saying held true. "It doesn't matter what side you're on. We're all screwed when the Hulk gets back."
@@BrokenXLR And Reed! Don't forget that idiot that somehow counts as a "genius". Seriously is Reed Richards ever likable?
Nefera Cronia he makes the dictator of Latvaria look like a benevolent ruler
@@neferacronia6798
I thought he was likable in the Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes cartoon.
@@crimsondynamo615 he actually is a benevolent ruler. seriously, he improved the lives of the citizenry under his reign to an outstanding degree and turned them into a world power. Doom really is just that good
@@neferacronia6798 no. no he is not.
Fun thing that he didn't cover. A tie-in issue has Hulk fight Ghost Rider. Strange is keeping an eye on the battle, and describes the Rider as one of the few beings that could take the Hulk. Or, more accurately, the source of the Rider's power.
Johnny Blaze is knocked out, and we see this power, as Zarathos, the true Spirit of Vengeance, awakens and takes control of his body.
Zarathos and Hulk stare at each other for a moment...and then the true Ghost Rider gets on his bike, and rides away.
The demon Zarathos has a rule: he acts to punish the guilty, but he will not harm the innocent, even through inaction. AND THE ILLUMINATI ARE FAR FROM INNOCENT.
It says something when the DEMON thinks you f*cked up and leaves you to your karma.
As for no consequences, I'd argue that the blow to the public faith that Tony and Reed suffered was compounded by the Secret Invasion, and it opened the door to them getting ousted from their SHIELD-funded positions and the people choosing someone else to be the top cop.
A pity that someone was Norman Osborn, aka the GREEN F*CKING GOBLIN!
Oh boy. That last part of that Sentence reminds me of the 2016 election.
*rimshot*
The Wolf of Gallifrey that just shows how much they screwed up.😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
The xmen issue was a good one too
The Wolf of Gallifrey glorious
Who ever came up with the title "World War Hulk" deserves a raise, because that title is AWESOME!
And Blind Guardian still gives me goose bumps
Andreas Otto Hansen
AGREED!
I agree. Granted, I kinda would expect Hulk fighting against several Earth armies because they think he's a threat to humanity but w.e.
I know it's a tie in but a mention about Xavier in this story is actually pretty warranted. Hulk actually goes to the mansion and demands to know how Xavier would have voted if he was present. Xavier said he would have done it but only until they found a cure and OWNS UP TO IT before surrendering to the Hulk. The XMen try to stop it and get curb stomped. The only reason Xavier isn't in MSG is because Hulk finds out about M-Day and claims that the X-men have suffered enough, that Xavier is in his own hell based on his own mistakes.
Looks like someone at Marvel actually GOT THE MEMO
Also, love Darwins bit in that tie-in. The guy can suddenly evolve to survive anything, in front of the hulk he suddenly gets the power to teleport far away.
Isn't in this ie-in that Marko retake the power of Cytorak and return has the Juggernaut?
MrSafior - Yes and Hulk still beats him
I also really liked the Tie in with Ghost Rider, where he very well *would've* won... if he didn't suddenly think of the Hulk as being justified. The Spirit of Vengeance *agreed* with Hulk and Strange knew it was because they were the ones with blood on their hands.
M-Day? Why does Miss Mary-Jane Watson get her own holiday?
"I've come to smash."
Dude, at least take me to dinner first!
I think that's pound.
It's also smash.
My thought was "Okay, you're just in time for Happy Hour at the Irish pub."
Fuzzy Barbarian But... but... Hulk has stick!?!
(I'm sorry, but I had to do it)
Fuzzy Barbarian
I thought that was for drinking... Who thought of this? It's misleading.
"Puny humans, Ive come to smash"
Oh my....
Finally. Hulk putting his size to good use
Phrasing.
DJ Prime "Dormammu, I've come to bargain"....yeah I know I just wanted to say it
DJ Prime "At least now, you don't have to wonder where your God is. He's right here, and he's fresh out of mercy." -Kirito, Sword Art Online Abridged
Hulk need mammoth size condom before start
The quick cut to Popo going "He's gonna die." had me laughing *far* harder than I should have.
Also, I really do have to wonder how Hulk and his Warbound would have responded if *any* of those four had simply said - "I'm sorry." No excuses, no deflections, no rationalizations - just a quiet admission of guilt and remorse.
And this makes "Hulk: The End" even *sadder* as the Hulk tells off Banner for wanting to be with his "friends" in death, as those "friends" were nothing but hateful towards the Hulk himself.
I think that Namor by this point is chilling out on his throne with popcorn watching the Hulk beating the crap out of the other heroes on T.V
Slayerthecrow Yeeesss!
Slayerthecrow namor : I told you guys
Slayerthecrow that's stupid; popcorn would get soggy underwater.
radu: well in-continuity Namor was hanging out in Latveria with Doom after Atlantis got destroyed
CButtonshaw Great, now I have this image of Namor and Doctor Doom eating pocorns while watching Hulk beating others and laughing extra hard whenever Reed Richards tries to explain themselves and gets shocked and pummeled for it.
I think the Subtitle for World war hulk should have been what Linkara said at 19:25
"Bruce Banner is Just as Pissed as the Hulk, and you aren't going to be able to talk him down!"
@Darth_ Madara And He's coming for Betty Ross... yes, IN BOTH WAYS!
You really know something is wrong with your heroes, when the green monster that has brought and alien armada to invade and destroy New York, motivated only by vengeance... is the one on the right side of the argument.
JohnnyElRed hell even the ghost rider says the hulk is in the right.That says everything about our “heroes”
Indeed, it's also how I felt on the DC side too. Betrayed. Abandonded. Hurt. I grew tired of this, so I sought hope elsewhere, as the comic book industry was looking bleak, as the ripples of the big two can be felt across the industry: Ken Penders' rampage in the Sonic the Hedgehog archie comics, Image's Youngblood, Holy Terror, and many, many more. This is no longer about heroism. It became about arrogance. And WWH was a comeuppance to remember.
Even the folks who had to evacuate their homes and suffered millions of dollars in property damage still said "nah, we're with the green rage monster, you guys suck".
at least reed's kama would slowly come back to bite him. the first taste of karma would come in the form of the council of reeds. and also, him getting almost neutralized during the skrull invasion. by johnny's ex posing as his wife.
idon't know iron man though
JohnnyElRed I will admit that I haven't read the series, and that I do think that they were in the wrong to exile him; but I don't think that Hulk is right either. Both the wormhole and the explosion were accidents that they didn't predict. Revenge won't help anything and just makes me think that everyone is in the wrong all around.
"Strange... Hulk come to bargain" was comedy gold, even though it was out of character for the hulk at the time.
What's everybody's favorite version of Hulk? My personal favorite is the Earth's Mightiest Heroes version. Also, when friggin Namor is the one who is saying "Hey guys I think we're going a bit too far" maybe take a step back and reevaluate your plan
Namor. The guy who routinely held New York hostage with his Atlantean abilities all because he couldn't accept Sue Storm wasn't into him. When HE's the one pointing out your douchebaggery, you know you done fucked up.
Though with Namor, it also could very well be that he didn't want to do it because he's friends with the Hulk to an extent, less so that it was too extreme an action.
DUDE the earth's mightiest heroes version was great. i loved his relationship with hawkeye
Z Ten HULK from identity crisis
My favorite version is Joe Fixit and Professor Hulk.
2 Things to say:
1) The animated Planet Hulk movie rocks
2) Gotta love that the guy who has consistently failed to defeat the Hulk is the one who goes in when Iron Man, Doc Samson, Dr. Strange, the Fantastic 4 (PS, where's The Thing?), and a load of other super powered individuals have failed to stop him. Dude's got balls. They're gonna be kicked so hard they come out his mouth...but still, he's got em.
holy crap i forgot the fan4 are here but not the thing....weird
@@thetruewisegamer At the time, the thing was gone and she-hulk was a member in his stead.
@@thatonea-hole again?
I thought she hulk was only a member in the 70s or 80s.
@@redrasegarden
Yeah, it happened again in the 90's & the 2000's. Cuz there was story arc of Ben dying, then coming back as a human and didn't want to be a hero
@@thatonea-hole interesting.
Please tell me he and Alice were still together after all that.
Not to mention Hulk teaming up with the banner persona for brains, AND smarts, God help us all.
Raptorus77 you mean brains and brawn, brains and smarts are the same things.
Raptorus77 If he was a little bit more evil, wouldn’t he become Maestro?
I liked Secret Wars Hulk who was able to use his own brain, unclouded by the rage when they occupied the planet created by, The Beyonder. Doc Doom as the hero?? Classic.
*after Endgame*
*Hulk dabs*
WE ARE ALL SONS OF BITCHES
*Thor:* Hulk, no! Just for once in your life, don't smash!
*Hulk:* But big monster!
jagarcia0705 world breaker hulk v. World breaker surder, anyone?
Actually I want to see The Purple Man vs Surtur.
@Cody Hines Purple Man: Stop, and wait for my next order!
Surtur: Pardon? Couldn't hear you down there. Ah well.
*SMASH*
jagarcia0705 thor: hulk, it’s just a mirror
Hulk: but 4 big monsters!
Lost it at "Uh, Strange? Hulk come to bargain!"
Why couldn't the Hulk challenge our heroes to a basketball game instead?
"Come on and Bash, And welcome to the Smash!"
SuperChochip Yeah but what kind of basketball star would team up with the Illuminati?
dnmstarsi Shaq obviously!
SuperChochip Is Shaq unlikable? I mean this is the Illuminati we're talking about. I feel like we need a star that matches how much these heroes suck in this world.
Then again, Shaq's free throws blow chunks... LOL
Hang on there, Shaq is not only Steel, but a Genie as well!
SuperChochip True. Eh, I take it back. Have Shaq team up with them! Though if he loses, Shaq is going to be playing games in Sakaar for eternity.
I only read the Ghost Rider tie in to this, and they make Dr. Strange come off as worse. Johny Blaze goes to talk down the Hulk, fight ensueues, The Rider takes control and... leaves. Strange says "Ghost Rider only avenges the innocent, which were're not"... so Dr Strange KNOWS it's his and the others' fault, but STILL won't take responisbility.
How sad is it that it's usually the bad event comics that do horrible damage to notable characters (Tony and Carol being biggest current examples) that are the ones with the longest lasting consequences but the good ones that can potentially fix character problems get barely addressed outside of a few books?
well secret wars was good and is still felt.
also another bad event we got recently was the awful secret empire and civil war 2
Secret Empire was nowhere near as bad as Civil War 2. Not great, but at least feels like we got some story out of it.
true but by the end of secret empire no consequences we are basically right back where everybody started good job marvel good job
Deadpool got screwed over pretty hard by Secret Empire, probably has the most consequences.
Namor is probably like “I really dodged a bullet there”
More like Namor doded a _nuke._
Yeah but won’t this effect him indirectly?
I imagine he's chilling in Atlantis with a bag of popcorn and a shit-eating grin on his face as he watches Hulk beat the living hell out of his teammates.
@@SilverHairedFreak25idk why I feel bad for the Illuminati
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674you shouldnt
"Dormamu, I've come to smash!"
Devious J you've come to bargain
Dude a min-series where the Hulk gets the Infinity Gauntlet and just beats the shit out of cosmic entities would be so dope.
Jordan DeHart HULK NO LIKE GALACTUS! *KRAKABAFROOM!*
“ you’ve come to… Wait, what?“
😂 i find this particularly funny considering the hulk did actually smash his sister...yes
"We came here for justice!"
And together, we can BE justice!
Was it really so hard for someone to have Richards say:
*"I am truly sorry for what happened Hulk. That Bomb was only meant as a last resort, if it truly triggered as you said, then the blood of countless lives now stain our hands. But this rampage will only stain yours as well."*
But that would mean reed was in the wrong and we cant have that
Yeah heaven forbid someone take responsibility
You have to remember one thing. Reed Richards is a psychopath.
@@MegaManDBZX Only when bad writers are involved.
@@Avenger85438 what is with writers making reed a total bastard??
I read planet hulk years ago. One the greatest hulk stories ever made.
Imho, it's the best Marvel story ever made or at least, it's my all time favorite Marvel story.
Eddie Son of Hulk is cool too
21:30 another good response is would have been. Hulk: You rip off Hulk catchphrase!? Hulk smash!
Dr. Strange: Oh hell...
World-Breaker Hulk with the Infinity Gauntlet? Pants to be browned.
... He would literally punch existence to death.
Unless you are golden, have multipple faces, no neck and you exist at the same time in all of Marvel's uniiverces. Or someone above you, lol.
And people thought Thanos with the Gauntlet led to curb stomping
There's a reason why such a book won't be made. If Worldbreaker Hulk had the infinity gauntlet, he would be so strong he would be able to punch anyone who read the book. Anyone who reads it would need to sign a waiver and have life insurance.
Joseph Torres pants to be greened
KRAKKABA-THROOM??
Crack a Bathroom??
Did anyone else hear that?!!?
Hulk have explosive diarrhea!!
I am half convinced that if Marvel can slip a pun into a sound effect, even if the pun makes no sense for the situation, it is editorial mandate to slip in the pun.
god, Hulk deserved a much happier ending than this. hell I don't want him to STOP being the hulk, btu I would have loved to see the wife dynamic to all of this, hulk as a father, etc.
He still got a son, but Marvel keep them separated a lot. Than for some reasons most Marvel writers can't write a father and son story that decent or kid characters in general.
@@elijahwatson3474 I also want the same sentiment for Peter Parker; him and Mary Jane, his wife, facing the world and reality with their daughter Mayday...I can only dream. But if I were in the Marvel Universe in its current state, I might as well be the anti-hero or anti-villain in order to set things right.
Darsi Padilla Oh yeah Mayday and Benji, Spiderverse show people can take a older Spiderman, I would to see Spider-Man as actual parent in the comics more.
I would've loved to see a Spiderman: renew your vows like continuation to planet hulk. Where Hulk and Caiera raise their son on Sakaar: fighting off alien invaders and crime within their kingdom
Had he been revived since Civil War II?
What a coincidence! "Puny humans, I've come to smash" was also briefly my Tinder bio.
Skaar and Banner's father son road trip is honestly such a good read
After all the crap in Civil War, this series feels like an apology.
More loke subtweeting tbh, which is a trope I'm mixed on with Big Two comics
Yes, by all means, use bad ideas established previously to tell good stories, but especially in more recent stuff it just feels unnecessary, just a scolding from one character to another, followed by that character hanging their head in shame and then nothing else
Like, you wanna pick a fight with the writer before you, challenge them to a fist fight in the Denny's parking lot like normal people XD
I like how everyone knows that the Hulk gets stronger the angrier he gets and all their ideas to try and stop him is to infuriate him even more instead of, you know, trying to calm him down.
no no you don't understand, hulk is like a toddler, they were trying to tire him out
It says a lot when you managed to make both Bruce AND The Hulk equally fucking pissed.
"Puny humans... I've come to smash."
I can imagine Deadpool in the crowd just yelling: "Banner! Phrasing!"
*"HULK MAIN AS CAPTAIN FALCON BECAUSE HULK KNOWS HOW TO TIME FALCON PUNCH GOOD!"*
"Anyway, in-universe the Hulk went on a rampage that destroyed Los Angeles . . ."
Heeeeeeey yooooooooo!
He protecc, he attacc, but most importantly he talk smack about bad comics.
Flashy Starwinger hulc attacc, he protecc, but most importantly, he smash
bloodstone ore yeesh auto correct trashed your reply
Personally, I like both.
Holy crap, movie Korg and Meek are so different.
Strange: "Strange smash!"
Korg: "Piss off, ghost!"
Point one against Thor: Ragnarok.
Adam Sherman
I say a point for.
that's because Planet Hulk was a darker story than Thor Ragnarok. Hell the Red King was a much viler villain than Ragnarok's antagonists.
@Adam Sherman & @Steven Choza Honestly, I'd say both versions of Korg and Miek work well for the vastly different versions of the story they're a part of. The humorous takes of them are well-written and fit within the lighter tone of the movie, but that doesn't invalidate the darker versions of them from the original.
It's like how movie Thanos has a complete change in his goals and motivations, but it works perfectly well within the different context of the MCU and how its version of the Gems work.
When namor is the smart one out of the illumanti then you know you messed up big time ;)
yup indeed and that's pretty weird to see namor be the voice of reason within the avengers
@Trevor White indeed same here
remember injustice year two ? It was the same situation. guy gardner was the smart one and the voice of reason. i love this
Namor and hulk are close. They fought along with each other in the defenders avengers and they fought the avenger together once if I’m not correct
@@livefromthe3-066 your not wrong ;)
I hate how Thor Ragnorok turned Hulk’s story into a background piece for Thor’s story and made it the comic relief of the movie.
Apparently Marvel still doenst hold the film rights to Hulk, Universal does. So they’d be unable to make a solo Hulk film without Univerdial getting most of the profits. I imagine Ragnarok was there attempt to do SOME of Planet Hulk since Disney likely wouldn’t green light a new Hulk film
Thor Ragnarok was a farce.
The joke you made about the Hulk, being rocketed into space; and watching bad movies and riffing on them, gave me the mental image of him taking up five chairs; watching Space Mutiny.
Hulk: David Ryder not that big! David Ryder puny human!
"Hey man. I'm Korg, this is Miek, and we're going to wage war on your planet."
"Have one of our pamphlets."
Ragnarok gave korg so much character
@@rsdillbot3646 lol it ruined him
@@Your_Duolingo66-g1f I don't think so
@@rsdillbot3646 pretty sure it did
24:06-25:39
*Hulk:* Remember this, puny humans. We came here for *justice,* not murder.
*Hulk:* So no one on your planet has *died* by our hands. And no one *will.*
*Hulk:* But we'll make sure no one on earth will ever forget what you are.
*Hulk:* Liars.
*Hulk:* Traitors.
*Hulk:* And killers.
*Reed Richards:* For the last time Bruce. We didn't--
*MST3K Hosts:* SHUT UP!
*Linkara:* Like, seriously, Reed, for the smartest man alive, you really are dumb. What the hell could you possibly have to say that you think would convince him to do things otherwise?
*Linkara (v/o):* It doesn't matter if you intended on it or not, it happened! Crying out "you didn't mean to" is irrelevant. You did it-and you keep doing it! That's what's so frustrating about this era of the Marvel Universe: the Hulk is absolutely right! These supposed heroes are liars, traitors, and killers-and yet we're still supposed to root for them and agree with them! It was said in a tie-in issue that the reason why they didn't just ask Banner if it'd be okay to send him off to another planet while they worked on a cure was because he might say "no" and thus, they'd never be able to trick him into doing this. They knew it was wrong to do this without his consent, they knew it was wrong to lie to him and trick him. And even if you could forgive that, their action still resulted in the deaths of millions of people, regardless of the revelations we're about to see!
*Linkara:* So, Reed, shove your excuses and your "We didn't mean to!" right up your oh-so stretchable asshole!
Hi Linkara I just wanted to say thank for years of amazing entertainment, that is both meaningful, knowledgeable, funny and damn entertaining all at once again thank you and keep up the good work, you rock! Oh and thank you for introducing me to Blind Graudian via your intro last episode their band is amazing their my new favorite symphonic rock band, and the song you chose Sacred Worlds definitely fits the theme of event comics, heck if you made a music video of Infinity War with that song it would fit the film perfectly that song is truly epic and downright timeless, thank you Linkara.
If you like Blind Guardian, try listen to Valhalla. That song is badass
Actually, I did when first looked up Sacred Worlds, and you're right it is badass thanks.
"I'VE COME TO SMASH....Final Destination, no items, no Meta Knight"
"Oh great, so he's one of THOSE players. As if this day couldn't get any more miserable."
Great stuff. And yes, it is frustrating how good events never seem to have any impact on things while bad events had ramifications for years.
*"HULK MAIN AS KIRBY AND SPAM STONE MOVE!"*
I main Dedede and suck them in then jump off edge
As good as this story is, it reminds me of why I dislike Marvel so much in this era. Sure it may be fun for some to see characters like Tony get the shit kicked out of them, but for me it is not remotely satisfying. You can have characters do dickish things and border on villains all you want, but I wont really like seeing them pay for it, if them doing those things in the first place was out of character, or their reactions are out of character. Now I buy some of Tony's actions in Civil War and here, but as an Iron Man fan, i don't buy how he went about a lot of them. That's why I am so conflicted on there not being lasting consequences, sure I would like to see these characters pay in the context of the universe, but I know they did not make those dickheaded decisions; their writers did for the sake of drama and edginess. Seeing Tony get beaten up cause Millar could not write him properly is not fun for me, it just reminds me of why I prefer DC.
Like the final crisis Batman example, Bruce's role in Ted's death made sense within the character, did not feel like it was done out of nowhere, he was not an irredeemable jerk about it, and he saw his mistake. Not only does Marvel rarely make their character pay long term for their mistakes these days, even when they do make them pay it feels off cause often those mistakes feel artificial or the characters react like assholes over it. Which does not make me hate them, but rather hate the writers. If you wanna have Tony make some massive mistakes and pay for it, that's great; but then have him actually pay for it in character and make an effort to change, and importantly make sure that said mistakes are not character assassination. Like the Brother Eye example, Batman making it was wrong, but he admitted fault, and even when he did so, you can still understand why he made the mistake in the first place. He does not become a straw man in order to tell the story is my point.
"I know they did not make those decisions; their writers did for the sake of drama and edginess"
AND WE HAVE A WINNER!!!! part of the reason MCU works is that they know how to make things serious when they can ans goofy when they can't. Black Panther could be semi-serious because it's world is semi-realistic. You can't do that with hulk he's just too big and strong.
That's a fantastic point. Part of why I love the MCU Civil War is cause it manages to have everyone's stance make sense for who they are, be valid, have none of them cross to much of a line, and at the end of the day give a good reason for why Tony and Steve are not handling this as well as they would otherwise. Both groups are right and wrong, and in the end they all still respect one another. The MCU managed to make a heroes vs heroes film, and a tragedy, while still maintaining the fact that these people are heroes.
meanwhile They know how ridiculous the hulk's premise is and how ridiculously overpowered he is so what do they do? [ut him in a giant planet sized play pen with monsters that match his strength and durability and let the cheesball role from their. Thor Ragnorok I felt was dragged by it's first half, but once we got to Planet Hulk it was a blast from start to finish.
I still don't like Stark but it sounds like he's better handled in the MCU vs the comics.
Well said! Just because the hero is arrogant and flawed doesn't give writers free pass to just make the character a total jerk to point of being irredeemable. We should be able to see character flaws but also their potential to learn from their mistakes and becoming better person through their experiences.
I think the best exemple of Tony being a jerk and yet still being portrayed in character is one my favorite Iron Man stories Armors Wars, in which the plot is about he discovering that his technology was stolen and sold to criminals, causing Tony go on crusade against this villains, to deactive their armors. However he so driven by guilt and paranoia that he makes many mistakes and questionable actions, from going beserk and beating and almost killing a criminal after hurting a civilian, invading Russia and causing a international incident, attacking the federal agent Stingray (who didn't use his technology) and trying to deactive the armors of the guardsmen (guards of the prison Vault) and fighting Captain America. The difference is that, unlike Civil War era, Tony actually feels remorse for his actions, he reflects on his actions recognize the damage he caused to the point he "fired Iron Man" (in that period, people thought Iron Man was Stark's bodyguard) from Stark Enterprise and leaves the Avengers, so his friends won't have to pay for his mistake. It's this moments and actions that help readers care for Tony and want to see him redeem himself for his mistakes.
@@alexandrefrauches132what’s wrong with some characters being iredeemable?
6:30 So why don't you take minute, just sit right thar. Hulk tell you how he became king of Sakaar.
I loved Planet Hulk until the very end. It was a needlessly tragic ending and a waste of potential. I wanted Hulk to build a galactic empire and explore new possibilities, but they kept the status quo.
If I ever saw the Hulk coming at me yelling “YOU KILLED HER!” I’d GTFO there and put as many miles, planets, and universes between me and him as humanly possible.
On an unrelated note... uh, Tony...
(In Angry Joe voice) You done fucked it up!
That goes for the rest of the Illuminati that isn’t Namor.
That only would prolong your inevitable smash Id negotiate a deal where I could search for an alternate timeline where his wife survived and he didn't, so they could reunite
@@larrychilders6599
Assuming he’d listen…
19:25. "Bruce Banner is just as pissed as the Hulk, and you aren't going to be able to talk him down!"
That legit sent shivers down my spine when I first heard it, as it honestly makes so much sense and I totally believe it!
Dude, Hulk vs. Godzilla. I'd watch that movie.
I'd prefer Doomsday vs Godzilla, but Hulk vs Godzilla would also be insanely cool.
@@legoking6165 Doomsday is just mindless....Hulk could potentially do strategy
Reed...bothers me. More so than any other character I've ever encountered in fiction, Reed comes off as an awful, terrible hero, be it in his treatment of the FF, Hulk or any other Marvel character...and yet, he's also done so many truly wonderful things over the decades that I can't truly hate or even dislike him.
Oh, and on another note, I'm not surprised that Final Crisis was chosen here, but I kinda wish that it was saved for the thirtieth anniversery, as a nod to the really early storyline stuff. Oh well, I'm sure the review will be awesome anyway.
Well now that Marvel has the right to a F4 movie they can do good with him.
even his own wife was angry at him for doing that, he messed up real bad!
i sitll like reed. i feel the karma for all his actions finally catched up with him first with the secret invasion, the reveal ofthe council of reeds (like if that was the multiverse telling reed. "KEEP DOING IT LIKE THAT AND THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL BECOME") AND THEN with the death of jonny (although thatone was misery for the whole team), plushaving to work with victor. AND also figuring out his powers and the ones of his family were slowy killing them, AND THEN the whole fall of the fantastic four AND THEN Seeing evryhting fail to him when he sees his whole family being killed at the beginning of the secretwars AND FINALLY being almost devolved into something pathetic by reed 1610.
by the time he confronted victor i like to see it as reed finally redeeming himself for eveything.
Problem is, nobody knows what to do with his character. He's supposed to be a scientist, but to write a credible science character, you actually have to KNOW a bit of science. There was a while where Reed dealt with metaphysical ideas that sound sciencey, but the real-life culture those ideas were based on devolved into new age spiritualism.
If they wrote Mr. Fantastic as the 10th Doctor, he'd be an appealing character. Someone who is plagued by his actions in the past, and while trying to atone for them is conflicted with the fact that he has knowledge and technology that, if he isn't careful, can have irrevocable consequences. But he's still charming, and still moral. He isn't detached from reality.
EternalBooda I agree with all of this. Personally I never saw Reed as a difficult character to write for, just have him work on his social skills whilst also dealing with being a father and a scientist. He should be a confident scientist but a social wreck who keeps a lot of secrets from everyone, but as the story pans out he should make more friends (Tony, Bruce, Hank (both Pym and McCoy), Charles) but also face his secretive past with dignity and regret, and not with denial.
7:22 the terror that flaps in the night
Mr. Fantastic seems one step away from having the Superboy Prime voice.
Ye Gods, I think you're right! O_O
comicking428 ultimate Mr fantastic would be perfect for the superboy prime voice
infamous Adam didn't he became a villain after being rejected by sue?
ΔΗΜΗΤΡΗΣ ΓΕΝΝΑΙΟΣ yep
@@DimitrisGenn it seems like a lot of heroes' turn to the dark side depends on whether or not Sue Storm swipes right
Even if it's a loose adaptation, I'd love to see this become an AVENGERS movie. Maybe bring in the Leader, so there's some closure from THE INCREDIBLE HULK (2008).
Maybe the Leader could be the one who set off the bomb. Might damage the message somewhat, but it would be cool.
A decent Hulk movie? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA good one.
Fuck off, Incredible Hulk was underrated.
Mark Guerrero, well I did say loose adaptation. They don't even need to do PLANET HULK at all. I think it easily could have followed AGE OF ULTRON.
bigfatcarp93, the Leader and General Ross. The Leader could be under the impression he can control the Hulk, which Ross jumps at the thought of. They could have gone with the typical secret family that he loses, similar to Magneto in X-MEN: APOCALYPSE. But that might have been better suited as a sequel to AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON, and rather than Banner being on another planet for two years, instead he's been hiding somewhere on Earth. I still think it could work if they tried. It doesn't have been be exactly like the comic. Grief stricken, Hulk goes mad with rage trying to hunt down Ross and the Leader, with military personnel and numerous heroes who sided with the Sokovia Accords getting in the way. I wouldn't mind seeing Betty Ross again, and maybe Red-Hulk, but I run the risk of this idea being more of an INCREDIBLE HULK 2 than an AVENGERS: WORLD WAR HULK.
Here's the fundamental problem with the entire WWH scenario: It requires the four heroes who Hulk blames for his wife's death (not to mention the collapse of his entire kingdom) to actually fight the Hulk. The original heroes Stan Lee created would have gone along quietly, preventing the risk of any people being killed or property getting destroyed, while making their claims about not planting a bomb in the Hulk's shuttle look WAY more convincing.
But then, of course, we wouldn't get any boom-boom pow-pow action. It's a case of character sacrificed for the sake of spectacle.
Also, in regards to She-Hulk and the remark she made of bringing the Illuminati to justice, was there any attempt made by her in filing a legal case against them? Seeing that Jenifer Walters was a lawyer, that would have made an interesting story for her.
She started doing that in her solo around the time
"I've come to smash."
*Hulk joins the battle!*
I loved this storyline. To an extent with my most favorite moment being that fight between Ghost Rider and Hulk and yes I know it happens in a tie-in issue. But this fight results in Johnny actually giving full control to Zarathos which only happens rarely and even though technically Zarathos wins him and Johnny leave cause they realize their duty is to punish guilty and not harm the innocent even through inaction with realizing that most of the Illuminati are not innocent and leaves them to what they deserve meaning it's saying something when a demon realizes you're in the wrong. This combined with the Secret Invasion results in Tony and Reed getting kicked out of SHIELD and SHIELD being replaced by HAMMER which is led by Norman Osborne aka the Green Goblin which ultimately does more harm then good especially when Norman orders the assault on New Asgard and Aries the mythical Greek God of War actually calls out Norman on how this is a bad idea which results in Norman ordering a Void-possessed Sentry to murder him. And how does Hercules' half-brother die at the hands of the Void by having the Void rip him in half with his bare hands with no effort.
@derrickhaggard where is Ghost Rider when Norman Osborn took over?
1:48
That's just what the lizard people want you to think.
DEADPOOL IS SECRETLY IN CHARGE OF US ALL!
the lizard people where actually defeated by captain america in the 80s
I KNEW IT 😲!!!
"Deadpool is secretly in charge of us all!"
That explains SO MUCH about the last two years.
The new Illuminati: a group consisting of Deadpool, Gwenpool, Squirrel Girl, Moon Girl, and Devil Dinosaur. They are a shadowy cabal that secretly runs the world in an attempt to make the marvel universe funny again.
@@Cdr2002 And SPIDER-HAM AND FOREBUSH MAN ARE THE ONES BEHIND IT ALL!!!
Hulk never killed anyone, it's explained by Amadeus Cho in canon.
It is the single fact that made me stop reading Marvel. If Hulk's violent rampages never have any consequences but property damage, then WTF is the big deal?
thund3rchild well let’s be fair, if he did kill someone the rest of the superhero community would have all taken down the Hulk years ago.
They have tried.
Thats the thing, Amadeus had to point it out. That implies the belief is that people did die from Hulk's rampages killed people.
Also property damage is still a big deal. If I ran a tank through several buildings, they wouldn't be like "well he didn't kill anyone so I guess we can let him off the hook"
Kill an entire city of four million people, and you rob them of their future.
_Destroy_ an entire city of four million people, and you cloud their future with suffering and pain for years to come.
thund3rchild I call bs on that. When Hulk does what he does, there *has* to be a few casualties. Sure, they'd be unintentional, but it'd be a huge consequence to Hulk going nuts. Its not like Bruce is in control, therefore, can avoid citizens if need be, and the worst case scenario would be tons of destroyed buildings if he was fighting Red Hulk or Abomination(like Superman in MoS, he *tried* taking the fight elsewhere, but Zod stopped him from doing that. And before that, those Terraformers did so much damage).
Its the mindless Hulk we all know, the one that gets stronger the angrier he gets. There would have to be tons of unintentional repercussions whenever Hulk goes on a rampage.
All those rampages cant be handwaved to people not getting hurt(it sucks that its canon). Thats lazy af. Thats like the early DBZ English Dubs, where when Vegeta & Nappa attacked, there was a line after it saying that civilians were exvacuated, or something alone those lines, even though the two(mainly Nappa) wrecked shit.
When Bruce Banner is JUST AS pissed off as the Hulk,you REALLY fucked up!! I'm sad that Planet Hulk hasn't been adapted into the MCU yet
The thing with the Hulk somehow not killing any civilians isn't a matter of realism to me; it's one of consequence. It's saying that with all the times the Hulk has lost control, the damage was always just to property or injuries people could recover from? No. That is stupid. I called out Man of Steel for this and the Hulk as a character is no different.
But Man of Steel did have people dying.
Fuzzy Barbarian he never killed anyone doesn't mean people got off Scott free, if no-one died from his more extreme rampages then that means a sizable number of people were probably left with brain damage, paralysis, comas (they don't get counted in death tolls) or any number of far as far worse than death. People left, homeless, jobless, families destroyed by these injuries. This series was the cruel face of karma for all the main characters, but only hulk could realise that and accept responsibility.
"Family destroyed"? Unless they're dead, it's not destroyed. Maybe their houses or possessions, but they themselves aren't destroyed. Maybe the story where this is mentioned does mention serious injuries, but the idea that the Hulk *never* killed a single person while rampaging *does* remove the feeling of consequence.
Retroactively in BvS, yes. But when the movie first came out, there was noticeable backlash because it was never addressed in the movie itself, along with the collateral damage (i.e. when Clark moves to Metropolis at the end, it's perfectly fine).
This is why I like that the MCU has confirmed deaths at the Hulk's hands. Not a ton, and they probably underplay it more than they should, but he's definitely killed innocents.
one of the things with lack of fallout is that Secret Invasion happened like less than a year later so it was A: the Marvel equivilant of a 24 hour news cycle moved on quick B: there was other shit to deal with and C: the blame for Civil War and World War Hulk got passed on to the Skrulls despite them never being the instigators of either events (just encouraging and profiting from them)
Watching this episode a few days after re-watching "15 things wrong with Civil War" feels extremely satisfying.
+Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall OMG YESS. YESSS. YESSSSSSS. YOU'VE MADE MY DAY. THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR. YOU HAVE DONE US JUSTICE THIS DAY. THANK YOU LINKARA. I LOVE YOU
I knew he would do a joke about the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air!
And the jokes that follow are classic Linkara
The writer who replaced heroism in the Marvel universe with moral relativism is Brian Michael Bendis. He's the architect of the current "Modern Age of No-Heroes." He just signed an exclusive contract with DC, and has been put on Superman. Pray for Big Blue.
Oh Supes and his son got damaged by him.
24:27 that speech explains so well why I hated this era of the marvel universe, these heroes we loved and cared about were turned into liars, traitors, and killers, and we're supposed to root for them? No, mother of God, NO!! They need to pay for their crimes, learn from all this to become better heroes and try to make up for their sins so that they can regain the trust they've lost so mean spiritedly!
Some of the best tie-ins I've ever read came out of this book. An especially gratifying one was Hulk fighting Ghost Rider, another hero with a theoretically bottomless well of power he can draw on...but it ends in a stalemate after Ghost Rider determines that Hulk isn't guilty or a threat to anyone innocent, as the Illuminati are anything BUT.
19:26 is why I love World War Hulk. Banner is just as angry as Hulk is. He’s lost everything and been betrayed by those he called friends. He’s beyond pissed and has every right to be. Even if the Illuminati didn’t kill his wife, they’re the reason she’s dead.
This review is a gem. Also, 21:34, my favorite joke of the review.
Thanks for the birthday present Linkara! Also, THANK YOU FOR STILL USING SACRED BY BLIND GUARDIAN!
Two things that Linkara left out that I would have liked to see. When the Hulk gets super pissed at the end, he takes a step and shakes the entire eastern seaboard.
And there is a tie in issue where the Hulk goes to the X mansion and beats down all of the x-men. Even knocking out Wolverine in one punch.
I was wondering why Prof. X seemed to not incur Hulk's wrath.
Wasn't their also a tie in issue where Hulk gets sent to the Dark Dimension and fights Red She-Hulk?
Basically, in that same tie in, Professor X owns up to what happened and then the Hulk found out about M-Day and decided that he'd suffered enough and left him be.
“Who should be in my secret organization? I know, only the least moral superheroes in the Marvel Universe!”
Eugenideddis sound's legit
This has one of the best intros Linkara has ever done. The music and tone are brilliant.
I remember spoony pointing out how the city was repaired in about a month. despite how it would take generations in order to fix everything. Reset button
I know you met it as joke, but I could actually see The Hulk coming to Earth with half the universe as an army with the infinity gauntlet. But then again I think you were half jokingly said that. This is a great episode.
"It doesn't matter if you intended on it or not." Yes it kind of does. The Hulk and his warbound keep denouncing them as murderers because of a "bomb" on the ship. But the didn't plan a bomb. The whole reason they sent him into space was to save his life because after the Las Vegas rampage Maria Hill very unsubtly hinted to Tony that if he didn't find a away to neutralise the Hulk SHIELD and the government would kill him. The deaths in Las Vegas, and yes there were deaths despite what that hack moron Amadeus Cho later tried to insist, were the final straw in their eyes so The Illuminati made a hasty decision that was Bruce Banner's benefit as well as everyone else.
Now yeah the Hulk has every right to be angry over everything that happened but he's definitely not the good guy in this. The real heroes are the other heroes who stand against him because while the admit that Tony and Reed, and to a lesser extent Strange, have done wrong the Hulk and his Warbound aren't much better at this point. And the Hulk beats the crap out of them and puts slave collars on them, including his own cousin. His final intention is to raise New York which yes won't kill anyone because it's been evacuated but this will destroy the homes and livelihoods of millions of people who've done nothing to him.
So no The Hulk is not "absolutely right". Neither are Tony Stark and Reed Richards but don't insist that this conflict is one-sided. Both sides are right and both sides are wrong. And it's why Worlds War Hulk is actually my favourite hero-vs-hero story because it's the only one that gets it.
So basically...this is what _Civil War_ *should have been* : Have a "both sides have a point" argument.
Yeah basically. It's what all the hero vs hero stories should have but don't. Usually they try to have a definite right and wrong side. But usually I end up agreeing with the side that the story tries to argue is in the wrong.
Except the explosion was caused by the warp drive in their ship, they are in fact culpable for all the deaths on Sakaar because they made such a dangerous engine.
And like Linkara said, they knew exiling Banner without asking, without his consent was wrong, but did it anyway.
They are the assholes in this, not Hulk. Hulk didn't kill anyone.
And there weren't any deaths in Vegas, the only person to say otherwise was Maria Hill and she's not exactly trustworthy.
And to Banner's benefit? Banner himself clearly disagrees, he sided with Hulk on this.
In the end Hulk is far more sympathetic here than the so call heroes who continue to do morally questionable actions even after this.
Actually, they're STILL murderers. Remember, this is just after Civil War, so in point of fact, Reed and Tony ARE murderers. They nano-slaved the Green Goblin to kill not one, but two Atlantian ambassadors to start a war, which in turn killed even more people, so they could force the heroes in their illegal black site in the negative zone to fight alongside them. So yeah, they're still murderers and traitors all. You don't get to keep signing off on an Illuminati group, then dip out of responsibility later.
I agree, Hulk only has the moral high ground by a quarter of an inch. And it bothers me that Linkara never pointed that out
Hulk: “Puny Humans, I’ve come to smash”
Hell of a way to start a tinder date, but fuck it I’m down. Bring that green ass over here Hulkie.
"Strange smash"
Hulk file copyright lawsuit.
so next week linkara will meet his past self (wonders if any one remembers that gag from way back when)
ladyaceina which gag?
Sorow Fame canonically he's supposed to review Final Crisis when he's his dad's age.
Considering the fact that that version of him was still living in his parent's basement (and there weren't any shelves behind him) I think it's pretty safe to say that that future has been retconned out of existence.
or it's like dbz time travel logic.
I'll still blame Superbly prime
One of my favourite moments is the X-men crossover, where Scott basically throws all sorts of X-men at Hulk in order to stop him in fun combinations (Siryn+Dazzler, etc.) and after the first fails he's like "Okay, time for Plan 2." "Don't you mean Plan B?" "That would imply I only have 26 plans."
What is with Marvel making its heroes complete assholes in order to sell comics? Both Civil wars and now this have made them unlikable in how they act (especially Tony). Why not just make the culprits hulk villians like the brain, abomination, and Modok? That way you could have a satisfying revenge story without ruining your heroes
And thus about a year ago, I had finally caught up with this show. I went on a HUGE binge of AT4W so I wouldn’t be bored my second semester of sophomore year of high school. (I’m a senior next year) I watched the sleepwalker arc blind, was surprised as all get out when the twist of the new entity was revealed when Comicron one made a fantastic return, and was surprised by Margaret’s new appearance yet again. Learned about so many new heroes and villains and origins thanks to this show and I thank you for that Lewis.
So Hulk blames the illuminati for sending him to a planet where his rage inspires an alien sidekick so much that the sidekick believes the anger is his only true side; therefore not stopping the secret construction of a bomb intended to kill the Hulk, because the Hulk made peace on said alien planet. I'm not sure I agree with Hulks/Banners reasoning here as much as you are, Linkara.
Inspiring your alien sidekick to the point where he's ready to blow up a city to stop world peace is kind of on you.
YES!!!!!!!
We know each other! He’s a friend from work!
Rhyperior Ranger I need to get off this planet.
Lydia Cebreros no banner, only hulk
Rhyperior Ranger our other friends blasted him into fucking space!
Little known fact: that line was written by a “make-a-wish” kid whose name I don’t remember.
Hulk’s Speech reminds me of Dracula’s speech from the Netflix Castlevania series-Started by the loss of an innocent love, a speech towards the people who fears him, a condemnation of the supposed “good” force, and a warning to leave before he comes to bring ruin.
One of my favorite tie ins into this comic is when the guy who was the current Ghost Rider went after the Hulk and kept trying to force Ghost Rider to come out to fight the Hulk, but when Ghost Rider finally came out all he did was just look at the Hulk then got on his bike a rode away. It wasn't because he was scared of the Hulk it was because the Hulk was justified in his vengeance and Ghost Rider wasn't going to interfere. Those few panels of Ghost Rider looking at the Hulk spoke so much that I truly lost my sh*t after that.
It was Johnny Blaze.
The two thing that have limited Hulk's power:
His anger was usually for petty reasons, anger that fades reasonably swiftly after the initial trigger and doesn't continuously build up
Bruce existing inside of him, holding him back to whatever extent he's currently able to
During World War Hulk? Hulk's wife, unborn son and kingdom just died right in front of him and Bruce is encouraging Hulk every step of the way by feeding him his own anger too
An anger that can never fade and only ever grow, combined with the one thing that restrained him now vehemently on his side...
The Hulk we see here is probably the most powerful incarnation that could possibly exist and that is TERRIFYING
Given how in a much more passive state Hulk threw a literal mountain, I feel his title of Worldbreaker may be quite literal during this event
Would've been better without the 'twist' and if the shuttle had actually accidentally just exploded. But I guess they had to make Strange, Reed, Stark, and other guy look better.
planescaped I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the original way the story had gone, but someone said ‘they didn’t like it.’
not really it actually kinda makes them look worse since they( the illuminati) never bother to watch or even check on hulk or bruce there. not even doing the bare minimum to make sure he safe hell i bet they didn't even know it was destroyed.
I'm not trying to say the Hulk isn't responsible for his rampages. I firmly believe that justice is a case of "when you make a mess, you clean it up/you make it right". For example: you damage someone else's stuff, you pay or it. You kill a person, you pay your debt to society in jail (and after, but that's a different conversation/fight). And if your actions lead to a planet dying, you take full responsibility for your war crimes, whatever action that may be.
It may have been Meek's rebels or whoever who set off he warp core, but it doesn't change the fact that the warp core would NEVER have been there if they hadn't sent Hulk there. Keeping Hulk on earth may have resulted in more "rampages" as they seem to be the only way most writer have to justify "popular hero versus the Hulk" fights, but Hulk hasn't and likely wouldn't have killed millions.
No matter how you slice it, Marvels Illuminati are in the wrong and need to clean up their mess, instead of hiding behind their excuses. They made a mess, they make it right.
On the other hand I do have to give Marvels writers a tiny bit of credit. People who are rich/famous/in a position of power getting away with their crimes is a much more realistic outcome.
@@jesuschrist22409 Thats a terribley wrong way of taking my rant...
It would only be your fault if you personally built the house there 😀.
Shitty, barely "able to called a joke" jokes aside, all I meant was that Stark, Richards and anyone else involved with sending Hulk to that planet deserve some of the blame for what happened, but they never get any of it (outside of this event).
While typing this out, I was trying to make an example about having a villain make Hulk rampage and then having the villain get away with it and giving Hulk all of the blame, but I realised I don't really care enough about this argument to continue it.
Stark Richards and the others who chose to send Hulk away against his will deserves some amount of blame for the destruction a world, that is my opinion.
If you disagree, deal with it. If you agree, deal with it. Either way, have a pleasant evening.
Truly great lines in this video. One of my favorites you have done in recent memory.
Your intro showed me what kind of a story this was, and the more you summarized, the more I wanted to read this comic. Fantastic review Linkara. Looking forward to Final Crisis. Here’s hoping you can make Heads or tails of it. I sure couldn’t.