World War Hulk - Atop the Fourth Wall

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    Welcome to Atop the Fourth Wall, where bad comics burn. In this episode, Linkara continues Event Comics Month 2 with World War Hulk!
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    Originally released March 19th, 2018.
    ORIGINAL INFO: Smashy smashy!

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  • @danynes4710
    @danynes4710 6 лет назад +213

    “Bruce Banner is just as pissed as the Hulk, and you aren’t going to be able to talk him down.” Maybe the scariest Hulk idea I’ve ever heard.

    • @theblindjedi41
      @theblindjedi41 9 месяцев назад +18

      Amazing line to describe this whole book.

  • @Jon_the_Wizard
    @Jon_the_Wizard 6 лет назад +1021

    I have to imagine Dr. Doom saw Hulk show up and kick Reed Richards' ass, then summarily started cheering and planning to award Hulk the Latverian equivalent to the Medal of Valor.

    • @FuugaNatsu
      @FuugaNatsu 5 лет назад +290

      BRING DOOM POPCORN SO HE MAY ENJOY THE PAIN OF RICHARDS BETTER!

    • @logicaloverdrive8197
      @logicaloverdrive8197 5 лет назад +197

      @@FuugaNatsu GET DOOM A PLANE! THAT GREEN HERO HAS A MEDAL WITH HIS NAME ON IT!

    • @lightsonitzekioro3918
      @lightsonitzekioro3918 5 лет назад +141

      I AM DOOM. MASTER OF THE STICKSHIFT AND I APPROVE OF THIS BEATDOWN.

    • @cameronheaton9900
      @cameronheaton9900 4 года назад +67

      The valor of Doom.

    • @henriquerodrigues9853
      @henriquerodrigues9853 4 года назад +53

      I think doom would propaplity say ALL PART OF DOOM PLAN

  • @edwardramos4591
    @edwardramos4591 6 лет назад +249

    You know you've screwed up when freaking Ghost Rider just looks at the Hulk and says "Screw this, I'm outta here. These guys had it coming."

    • @wokenlunatic2849
      @wokenlunatic2849 Год назад +10

      and have Two Powerful Mutants (Wolverine and Colossus) end up like Hulk’s punching bag (Wolverine got his brain smack against his Metal Skull by The Hulk’s Fist repeatedly and The Hulk have broke Colossus’ Arms like nothing)

    • @Fluffkitscripts
      @Fluffkitscripts 10 месяцев назад +16

      There’s a moment in castlevania where Trevor learns why Dracula is on the warpath, and he just kind of goes “…fuck.”
      Drac is attacking because a bunch of priests killed his wife for being a doctor. He is, at least by standards of revenge, in the right.

    • @YouthRightsRadical
      @YouthRightsRadical 7 месяцев назад +8

      They really should have seen this coming. Who expects a Spirit of Vengeance to step in and stop someone seeking revenge?

  • @logicaloverdrive8197
    @logicaloverdrive8197 5 лет назад +153

    19:24 that... is a terrifying thought. If Bruce is as pissed, that means there’s absolutely nothing stopping hulk’s vengeance.

    • @coreylineberry8557
      @coreylineberry8557 Год назад +13

      It essentially means that the Hulk has unlimited power.

    • @doggosho3044
      @doggosho3044 6 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@coreylineberry8557UNLIMITED POWER!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @ShardNetwork
    @ShardNetwork 6 лет назад +447

    The old saying held true. "It doesn't matter what side you're on. We're all screwed when the Hulk gets back."

    • @neferacronia6798
      @neferacronia6798 5 лет назад +16

      @@maarpevans5781 And Reed! Don't forget that idiot that somehow counts as a "genius". Seriously is Reed Richards ever likable?

    • @crimsondynamo615
      @crimsondynamo615 5 лет назад +7

      Nefera Cronia he makes the dictator of Latvaria look like a benevolent ruler

    • @johnnygyro2295
      @johnnygyro2295 5 лет назад +6

      @@neferacronia6798
      I thought he was likable in the Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes cartoon.

    • @696190
      @696190 4 года назад +8

      @@crimsondynamo615 he actually is a benevolent ruler. seriously, he improved the lives of the citizenry under his reign to an outstanding degree and turned them into a world power. Doom really is just that good

    • @kaiserzaiser5002
      @kaiserzaiser5002 4 года назад +2

      @@neferacronia6798 no. no he is not.

  • @Don_LUSH
    @Don_LUSH 6 лет назад +202

    To this day I remember a friend and I were buying the Planet Hulk comics and thought:
    - "You know what maybe this is an ending for the Hulk story until there's a big crisis and planet Earth receives back up from Sakaar"
    So when the story ended I was almost crying and she threw an Ironman figure across the room because all we wanted was a good ending for our fav hero the green guy... also we made a pizza party while reading WWH and enjoying Tony getting smashed.

    • @Wreckur4203
      @Wreckur4203 2 года назад +18

      watch the movie and think of it like a AU happy ending, it's what I do

    • @matthewsimpson5529
      @matthewsimpson5529 Год назад +13

      Now I'm imagining a version of events where Sakaar eventually evacuates because of Galactus, so Hulk takes everyone who doesn't want to go off into the universe to Earth.
      And they arrive during Secret Invasion.

  • @Mister-Thirteen
    @Mister-Thirteen 6 лет назад +1304

    When Namor is the voice of reason you know you've gone too far.

    • @alexmansfield3268
      @alexmansfield3268 6 лет назад +134

      True that. He was the only guy with common sense for once

    • @ianr.navahuber2195
      @ianr.navahuber2195 6 лет назад +38

      which is funny in considering hickman's new avengers run

    • @johannesmakila2459
      @johannesmakila2459 6 лет назад +147

      When guy who attacked Wakanda with Dr. Doom and Klaw is saying you are going too far you better believe it.

    • @PallysCafe
      @PallysCafe 6 лет назад +91

      Mr.13 indeed, when the guy who once threatened to flood the surface because someone wouldn't go on a date with him, is the voice of reason you definitely have gone to far.

    • @PallysCafe
      @PallysCafe 6 лет назад +2

      Raged Conch it's true though

  • @Awesome_Pichu
    @Awesome_Pichu 6 лет назад +436

    Tony: Everything I’ll ever do...I do to protect this world.
    Which is why I forcefully imprisoned several of my superhero friends and sent psychopathic killers after the heroes who just didn’t agree with what I wanted.

    • @rossenator101
      @rossenator101 6 лет назад +42

      Chad Riggs Tony Stark: Because screw logic I’m the smart one

    • @daelen.cclark
      @daelen.cclark 5 лет назад +45

      GOD was civil war a stupid story.

    • @mrboerger1620
      @mrboerger1620 5 лет назад +11

      Teachincally that was Maria hill

    • @GeorgePerakis
      @GeorgePerakis 4 года назад +22

      It's called hack writing. Tony has been the number one target of hack writers since the first Extremis storyline reignited interest in the character.
      And yes I'm mainly talking about Bendis the Hack.

    • @daelen.cclark
      @daelen.cclark 4 года назад +7

      George Perakis
      That’s a bit unfair, given all the good spidey work Bendis did, i can understand him making SOME dreadful things.

  • @Courageous91
    @Courageous91 6 лет назад +532

    I know it's a tie in but a mention about Xavier in this story is actually pretty warranted. Hulk actually goes to the mansion and demands to know how Xavier would have voted if he was present. Xavier said he would have done it but only until they found a cure and OWNS UP TO IT before surrendering to the Hulk. The XMen try to stop it and get curb stomped. The only reason Xavier isn't in MSG is because Hulk finds out about M-Day and claims that the X-men have suffered enough, that Xavier is in his own hell based on his own mistakes.
    Looks like someone at Marvel actually GOT THE MEMO

    • @BlueHero45
      @BlueHero45 6 лет назад +153

      Also, love Darwins bit in that tie-in. The guy can suddenly evolve to survive anything, in front of the hulk he suddenly gets the power to teleport far away.

    • @MrSafior
      @MrSafior 6 лет назад +33

      Isn't in this ie-in that Marko retake the power of Cytorak and return has the Juggernaut?

    • @Courageous91
      @Courageous91 6 лет назад +29

      MrSafior - Yes and Hulk still beats him

    • @jamainegardner4193
      @jamainegardner4193 6 лет назад +94

      I also really liked the Tie in with Ghost Rider, where he very well *would've* won... if he didn't suddenly think of the Hulk as being justified. The Spirit of Vengeance *agreed* with Hulk and Strange knew it was because they were the ones with blood on their hands.

    • @JaelinBezel
      @JaelinBezel 6 лет назад +11

      M-Day? Why does Miss Mary-Jane Watson get her own holiday?

  • @thewolfofgallifrey5961
    @thewolfofgallifrey5961 6 лет назад +806

    Fun thing that he didn't cover. A tie-in issue has Hulk fight Ghost Rider. Strange is keeping an eye on the battle, and describes the Rider as one of the few beings that could take the Hulk. Or, more accurately, the source of the Rider's power.
    Johnny Blaze is knocked out, and we see this power, as Zarathos, the true Spirit of Vengeance, awakens and takes control of his body.
    Zarathos and Hulk stare at each other for a moment...and then the true Ghost Rider gets on his bike, and rides away.
    The demon Zarathos has a rule: he acts to punish the guilty, but he will not harm the innocent, even through inaction. AND THE ILLUMINATI ARE FAR FROM INNOCENT.
    It says something when the DEMON thinks you f*cked up and leaves you to your karma.
    As for no consequences, I'd argue that the blow to the public faith that Tony and Reed suffered was compounded by the Secret Invasion, and it opened the door to them getting ousted from their SHIELD-funded positions and the people choosing someone else to be the top cop.
    A pity that someone was Norman Osborn, aka the GREEN F*CKING GOBLIN!

    • @danielramsey6141
      @danielramsey6141 6 лет назад +87

      Oh boy. That last part of that Sentence reminds me of the 2016 election.

    • @thewolfofgallifrey5961
      @thewolfofgallifrey5961 6 лет назад +19

      *rimshot*

    • @joshuasepeda3289
      @joshuasepeda3289 5 лет назад +22

      The Wolf of Gallifrey that just shows how much they screwed up.😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @halkeye20
      @halkeye20 5 лет назад +18

      The xmen issue was a good one too

    • @skyslasher2297
      @skyslasher2297 5 лет назад +6

      The Wolf of Gallifrey glorious

  • @JohnnyElRed
    @JohnnyElRed 6 лет назад +515

    You really know something is wrong with your heroes, when the green monster that has brought and alien armada to invade and destroy New York, motivated only by vengeance... is the one on the right side of the argument.

    • @alexmansfield3268
      @alexmansfield3268 6 лет назад +94

      JohnnyElRed hell even the ghost rider says the hulk is in the right.That says everything about our “heroes”

    • @Gaia_BentosZX5
      @Gaia_BentosZX5 6 лет назад +60

      Indeed, it's also how I felt on the DC side too. Betrayed. Abandonded. Hurt. I grew tired of this, so I sought hope elsewhere, as the comic book industry was looking bleak, as the ripples of the big two can be felt across the industry: Ken Penders' rampage in the Sonic the Hedgehog archie comics, Image's Youngblood, Holy Terror, and many, many more. This is no longer about heroism. It became about arrogance. And WWH was a comeuppance to remember.

    • @cyclone313
      @cyclone313 6 лет назад +84

      Even the folks who had to evacuate their homes and suffered millions of dollars in property damage still said "nah, we're with the green rage monster, you guys suck".

    • @ianr.navahuber2195
      @ianr.navahuber2195 6 лет назад +25

      at least reed's kama would slowly come back to bite him. the first taste of karma would come in the form of the council of reeds. and also, him getting almost neutralized during the skrull invasion. by johnny's ex posing as his wife.
      idon't know iron man though

    • @thefoxesmind
      @thefoxesmind 6 лет назад +27

      JohnnyElRed I will admit that I haven't read the series, and that I do think that they were in the wrong to exile him; but I don't think that Hulk is right either. Both the wormhole and the explosion were accidents that they didn't predict. Revenge won't help anything and just makes me think that everyone is in the wrong all around.

  • @DJPrimeAmvs
    @DJPrimeAmvs 6 лет назад +1310

    "Puny humans, Ive come to smash"
    Oh my....

    • @Girintina
      @Girintina 6 лет назад +168

      Finally. Hulk putting his size to good use

    • @HyruleSwordsman94
      @HyruleSwordsman94 6 лет назад +103

      Phrasing.

    • @zten9092
      @zten9092 6 лет назад +50

      DJ Prime "Dormammu, I've come to bargain"....yeah I know I just wanted to say it

    • @ZoanBlade90
      @ZoanBlade90 6 лет назад +69

      DJ Prime "At least now, you don't have to wonder where your God is. He's right here, and he's fresh out of mercy." -Kirito, Sword Art Online Abridged

    • @michaellong6125
      @michaellong6125 6 лет назад +33

      Hulk need mammoth size condom before start

  • @andreasottohansen7338
    @andreasottohansen7338 6 лет назад +339

    Who ever came up with the title "World War Hulk" deserves a raise, because that title is AWESOME!
    And Blind Guardian still gives me goose bumps

    • @daelen.cclark
      @daelen.cclark 5 лет назад +9

      Andreas Otto Hansen
      AGREED!

    • @dnmstarsi
      @dnmstarsi 3 года назад +2

      I agree. Granted, I kinda would expect Hulk fighting against several Earth armies because they think he's a threat to humanity but w.e.

  • @Fuzzy_Barbarian
    @Fuzzy_Barbarian 6 лет назад +526

    "I've come to smash."
    Dude, at least take me to dinner first!

    • @Raximus3000
      @Raximus3000 6 лет назад +7

      I think that's pound.

    • @Fuzzy_Barbarian
      @Fuzzy_Barbarian 6 лет назад +11

      It's also smash.

    • @Aiddon
      @Aiddon 6 лет назад +19

      My thought was "Okay, you're just in time for Happy Hour at the Irish pub."

    • @billtenth5805
      @billtenth5805 6 лет назад +6

      Fuzzy Barbarian But... but... Hulk has stick!?!
      (I'm sorry, but I had to do it)

    • @Raximus3000
      @Raximus3000 6 лет назад +1

      Fuzzy Barbarian
      I thought that was for drinking... Who thought of this? It's misleading.

  • @Slayerthecrow
    @Slayerthecrow 6 лет назад +492

    I think that Namor by this point is chilling out on his throne with popcorn watching the Hulk beating the crap out of the other heroes on T.V

    • @kevinhill8193
      @kevinhill8193 6 лет назад +20

      Slayerthecrow Yeeesss!

    • @squelettefaineants7653
      @squelettefaineants7653 6 лет назад +81

      Slayerthecrow namor : I told you guys

    • @nirast2561
      @nirast2561 6 лет назад +32

      Slayerthecrow that's stupid; popcorn would get soggy underwater.

    • @CButtonshaw
      @CButtonshaw 6 лет назад +59

      radu: well in-continuity Namor was hanging out in Latveria with Doom after Atlantis got destroyed

    • @EternalKHFan0
      @EternalKHFan0 6 лет назад +135

      CButtonshaw Great, now I have this image of Namor and Doctor Doom eating pocorns while watching Hulk beating others and laughing extra hard whenever Reed Richards tries to explain themselves and gets shocked and pummeled for it.

  • @whisennandalex7821
    @whisennandalex7821 4 года назад +39

    "Strange... Hulk come to bargain" was comedy gold, even though it was out of character for the hulk at the time.

  • @TheFrugalVideoGamer
    @TheFrugalVideoGamer 5 лет назад +52

    The quick cut to Popo going "He's gonna die." had me laughing *far* harder than I should have.
    Also, I really do have to wonder how Hulk and his Warbound would have responded if *any* of those four had simply said - "I'm sorry." No excuses, no deflections, no rationalizations - just a quiet admission of guilt and remorse.
    And this makes "Hulk: The End" even *sadder* as the Hulk tells off Banner for wanting to be with his "friends" in death, as those "friends" were nothing but hateful towards the Hulk himself.

  • @alejandrokaplan7243
    @alejandrokaplan7243 4 года назад +116

    Namor is probably like “I really dodged a bullet there”

    • @danielbrant6740
      @danielbrant6740 2 года назад +12

      More like Namor doded a _nuke._

    • @redrasegarden
      @redrasegarden Год назад +1

      Yeah but won’t this effect him indirectly?

    • @SilverHairedFreak25
      @SilverHairedFreak25 Год назад +14

      I imagine he's chilling in Atlantis with a bag of popcorn and a shit-eating grin on his face as he watches Hulk beat the living hell out of his teammates.

    • @Seasonal-Shadow_4674
      @Seasonal-Shadow_4674 8 месяцев назад

      @@SilverHairedFreak25idk why I feel bad for the Illuminati

    • @larrychilders6599
      @larrychilders6599 3 месяца назад

      ​@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674you shouldnt

  • @fnglert
    @fnglert 6 лет назад +96

    Lost it at "Uh, Strange? Hulk come to bargain!"

  • @deviousj5868
    @deviousj5868 6 лет назад +218

    "Dormamu, I've come to smash!"

    • @amytanner4931
      @amytanner4931 6 лет назад +11

      Devious J you've come to bargain

    • @SgtTwilight
      @SgtTwilight 6 лет назад +20

      Dude a min-series where the Hulk gets the Infinity Gauntlet and just beats the shit out of cosmic entities would be so dope.

    • @bloodstoneore4630
      @bloodstoneore4630 6 лет назад +11

      Jordan DeHart HULK NO LIKE GALACTUS! *KRAKABAFROOM!*

    • @Gojiragon
      @Gojiragon 4 года назад +6

      “ you’ve come to… Wait, what?“

    • @shilohshush530
      @shilohshush530 4 года назад +3

      😂 i find this particularly funny considering the hulk did actually smash his sister...yes

  • @zten9092
    @zten9092 6 лет назад +781

    What's everybody's favorite version of Hulk? My personal favorite is the Earth's Mightiest Heroes version. Also, when friggin Namor is the one who is saying "Hey guys I think we're going a bit too far" maybe take a step back and reevaluate your plan

    • @inferno9714
      @inferno9714 6 лет назад +171

      Namor. The guy who routinely held New York hostage with his Atlantean abilities all because he couldn't accept Sue Storm wasn't into him. When HE's the one pointing out your douchebaggery, you know you done fucked up.

    • @AussieDragoon
      @AussieDragoon 6 лет назад +66

      Though with Namor, it also could very well be that he didn't want to do it because he's friends with the Hulk to an extent, less so that it was too extreme an action.

    • @starro54
      @starro54 6 лет назад +58

      DUDE the earth's mightiest heroes version was great. i loved his relationship with hawkeye

    • @amytanner4931
      @amytanner4931 6 лет назад +4

      Z Ten HULK from identity crisis

    • @Hulkzilla0
      @Hulkzilla0 6 лет назад +4

      My favorite version is Joe Fixit and Professor Hulk.

  • @Djinsin
    @Djinsin 6 лет назад +203

    2 Things to say:
    1) The animated Planet Hulk movie rocks
    2) Gotta love that the guy who has consistently failed to defeat the Hulk is the one who goes in when Iron Man, Doc Samson, Dr. Strange, the Fantastic 4 (PS, where's The Thing?), and a load of other super powered individuals have failed to stop him. Dude's got balls. They're gonna be kicked so hard they come out his mouth...but still, he's got em.

    • @thetruewisegamer
      @thetruewisegamer 4 года назад +9

      holy crap i forgot the fan4 are here but not the thing....weird

    • @thatonea-hole
      @thatonea-hole 2 года назад +2

      @@thetruewisegamer At the time, the thing was gone and she-hulk was a member in his stead.

    • @redrasegarden
      @redrasegarden Год назад

      @@thatonea-hole again?
      I thought she hulk was only a member in the 70s or 80s.

    • @thatonea-hole
      @thatonea-hole Год назад +1

      @@redrasegarden
      Yeah, it happened again in the 90's & the 2000's. Cuz there was story arc of Ben dying, then coming back as a human and didn't want to be a hero

    • @redrasegarden
      @redrasegarden Год назад +1

      @@thatonea-hole interesting.
      Please tell me he and Alice were still together after all that.

  • @maxxjapan619
    @maxxjapan619 Год назад +18

    "We came here for justice!"
    And together, we can BE justice!

  • @jagarcia0705
    @jagarcia0705 6 лет назад +431

    *Thor:* Hulk, no! Just for once in your life, don't smash!
    *Hulk:* But big monster!

    • @bloodstoneore4630
      @bloodstoneore4630 6 лет назад +14

      jagarcia0705 world breaker hulk v. World breaker surder, anyone?

    • @JaelinBezel
      @JaelinBezel 6 лет назад +4

      Actually I want to see The Purple Man vs Surtur.

    • @Dracinard
      @Dracinard 5 лет назад +6

      @Cody Hines Purple Man: Stop, and wait for my next order!
      Surtur: Pardon? Couldn't hear you down there. Ah well.
      *SMASH*

    • @ilopominecrafter
      @ilopominecrafter 5 лет назад +4

      jagarcia0705 thor: hulk, it’s just a mirror

    • @thejonbrownshow8470
      @thejonbrownshow8470 2 года назад

      Hulk: but 4 big monsters!

  • @SuperChochip
    @SuperChochip 6 лет назад +152

    Why couldn't the Hulk challenge our heroes to a basketball game instead?
    "Come on and Bash, And welcome to the Smash!"

    • @dnmstarsi
      @dnmstarsi 6 лет назад +10

      SuperChochip Yeah but what kind of basketball star would team up with the Illuminati?

    • @SuperChochip
      @SuperChochip 6 лет назад +9

      dnmstarsi Shaq obviously!

    • @dnmstarsi
      @dnmstarsi 6 лет назад +7

      SuperChochip Is Shaq unlikable? I mean this is the Illuminati we're talking about. I feel like we need a star that matches how much these heroes suck in this world.
      Then again, Shaq's free throws blow chunks... LOL

    • @SuperChochip
      @SuperChochip 6 лет назад +4

      Hang on there, Shaq is not only Steel, but a Genie as well!

    • @dnmstarsi
      @dnmstarsi 6 лет назад +5

      SuperChochip True. Eh, I take it back. Have Shaq team up with them! Though if he loses, Shaq is going to be playing games in Sakaar for eternity.

  • @lionheart1013
    @lionheart1013 6 лет назад +75

    I think the Subtitle for World war hulk should have been what Linkara said at 19:25
    "Bruce Banner is Just as Pissed as the Hulk, and you aren't going to be able to talk him down!"

    • @battlion507
      @battlion507 3 года назад +2

      @Darth_ Madara And He's coming for Betty Ross... yes, IN BOTH WAYS!

  • @raptorus7773
    @raptorus7773 6 лет назад +342

    Not to mention Hulk teaming up with the banner persona for brains, AND smarts, God help us all.

    • @deltafighter3986
      @deltafighter3986 6 лет назад +33

      Raptorus77 you mean brains and brawn, brains and smarts are the same things.

    • @conradlecroy5821
      @conradlecroy5821 6 лет назад +11

      Raptorus77 If he was a little bit more evil, wouldn’t he become Maestro?

    • @theheartlessknight2426
      @theheartlessknight2426 5 лет назад +9

      I liked Secret Wars Hulk who was able to use his own brain, unclouded by the rage when they occupied the planet created by, The Beyonder. Doc Doom as the hero?? Classic.

    • @Astrithor
      @Astrithor 5 лет назад +3

      The rage and strength of Savage Hulk, mixed with the intelligence of Professor Hulk, and the somewhat compromised morals of Grey Hulk? World War Hulk is best Hulk, for real.

    • @repulser93
      @repulser93 5 лет назад +3

      *after Endgame*
      *Hulk dabs*
      WE ARE ALL SONS OF BITCHES

  • @NarwhalEntertainment
    @NarwhalEntertainment Год назад +11

    I only read the Ghost Rider tie in to this, and they make Dr. Strange come off as worse. Johny Blaze goes to talk down the Hulk, fight ensueues, The Rider takes control and... leaves. Strange says "Ghost Rider only avenges the innocent, which were're not"... so Dr Strange KNOWS it's his and the others' fault, but STILL won't take responisbility.

  • @aderose
    @aderose 6 лет назад +116

    I read planet hulk years ago. One the greatest hulk stories ever made.

    • @edvance1030
      @edvance1030 6 лет назад +4

      Imho, it's the best Marvel story ever made or at least, it's my all time favorite Marvel story.

    • @luizfelipevbf5567
      @luizfelipevbf5567 6 лет назад

      Eddie Son of Hulk is cool too

  • @Avenger85438
    @Avenger85438 5 лет назад +197

    Was it really so hard for someone to have Richards say:
    *"I am truly sorry for what happened Hulk. That Bomb was only meant as a last resort, if it truly triggered as you said, then the blood of countless lives now stain our hands. But this rampage will only stain yours as well."*

    • @dannyfenlon2476
      @dannyfenlon2476 4 года назад +66

      But that would mean reed was in the wrong and we cant have that

    • @alicianelson1252
      @alicianelson1252 3 года назад +21

      Yeah heaven forbid someone take responsibility

    • @MegaManDBZX
      @MegaManDBZX 3 года назад +14

      You have to remember one thing. Reed Richards is a psychopath.

    • @Avenger85438
      @Avenger85438 3 года назад +27

      @@MegaManDBZX Only when bad writers are involved.

    • @brandonspencer5594
      @brandonspencer5594 3 года назад +16

      @@Avenger85438 what is with writers making reed a total bastard??

  • @aros0018
    @aros0018 6 лет назад +207

    How sad is it that it's usually the bad event comics that do horrible damage to notable characters (Tony and Carol being biggest current examples) that are the ones with the longest lasting consequences but the good ones that can potentially fix character problems get barely addressed outside of a few books?

    • @ianr.navahuber2195
      @ianr.navahuber2195 6 лет назад +13

      well secret wars was good and is still felt.

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka 6 лет назад +21

      also another bad event we got recently was the awful secret empire and civil war 2

    • @BlueHero45
      @BlueHero45 6 лет назад +13

      Secret Empire was nowhere near as bad as Civil War 2. Not great, but at least feels like we got some story out of it.

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka 6 лет назад +15

      true but by the end of secret empire no consequences we are basically right back where everybody started good job marvel good job

    • @BlueHero45
      @BlueHero45 6 лет назад +14

      Deadpool got screwed over pretty hard by Secret Empire, probably has the most consequences.

  • @RealHyperHedgehog
    @RealHyperHedgehog 2 года назад +47

    After all the crap in Civil War, this series feels like an apology.

    • @johndavidtibbetts7320
      @johndavidtibbetts7320 Год назад +2

      More loke subtweeting tbh, which is a trope I'm mixed on with Big Two comics
      Yes, by all means, use bad ideas established previously to tell good stories, but especially in more recent stuff it just feels unnecessary, just a scolding from one character to another, followed by that character hanging their head in shame and then nothing else
      Like, you wanna pick a fight with the writer before you, challenge them to a fist fight in the Denny's parking lot like normal people XD

  • @SasukeUchiha-ix2yk
    @SasukeUchiha-ix2yk 6 лет назад +63

    god, Hulk deserved a much happier ending than this. hell I don't want him to STOP being the hulk, btu I would have loved to see the wife dynamic to all of this, hulk as a father, etc.

    • @elijahwatson3474
      @elijahwatson3474 5 лет назад +9

      He still got a son, but Marvel keep them separated a lot. Than for some reasons most Marvel writers can't write a father and son story that decent or kid characters in general.

    • @DarsiPadilla
      @DarsiPadilla 5 лет назад +8

      @@elijahwatson3474 I also want the same sentiment for Peter Parker; him and Mary Jane, his wife, facing the world and reality with their daughter Mayday...I can only dream. But if I were in the Marvel Universe in its current state, I might as well be the anti-hero or anti-villain in order to set things right.

    • @elijahwatson3474
      @elijahwatson3474 5 лет назад +4

      Darsi Padilla Oh yeah Mayday and Benji, Spiderverse show people can take a older Spiderman, I would to see Spider-Man as actual parent in the comics more.

    • @zeonianking2983
      @zeonianking2983 4 года назад +3

      I would've loved to see a Spiderman: renew your vows like continuation to planet hulk. Where Hulk and Caiera raise their son on Sakaar: fighting off alien invaders and crime within their kingdom

    • @ForrestFox626
      @ForrestFox626 4 года назад

      Had he been revived since Civil War II?

  • @Avigorus
    @Avigorus 6 лет назад +351

    World-Breaker Hulk with the Infinity Gauntlet? Pants to be browned.

    • @AlriikRidesAgain
      @AlriikRidesAgain 6 лет назад +55

      ... He would literally punch existence to death.

    • @Raximus3000
      @Raximus3000 6 лет назад +19

      Unless you are golden, have multipple faces, no neck and you exist at the same time in all of Marvel's uniiverces. Or someone above you, lol.

    • @Aiddon
      @Aiddon 6 лет назад +13

      And people thought Thanos with the Gauntlet led to curb stomping

    • @Metrion77
      @Metrion77 6 лет назад +42

      There's a reason why such a book won't be made. If Worldbreaker Hulk had the infinity gauntlet, he would be so strong he would be able to punch anyone who read the book. Anyone who reads it would need to sign a waiver and have life insurance.

    • @panthor109thabest7
      @panthor109thabest7 6 лет назад +13

      Joseph Torres pants to be greened

  • @shadeknight6537
    @shadeknight6537 6 лет назад +21

    I like how everyone knows that the Hulk gets stronger the angrier he gets and all their ideas to try and stop him is to infuriate him even more instead of, you know, trying to calm him down.

    • @Quickpatch12
      @Quickpatch12 Месяц назад

      no no you don't understand, hulk is like a toddler, they were trying to tire him out

  • @sonicx945
    @sonicx945 6 лет назад +38

    21:30 another good response is would have been. Hulk: You rip off Hulk catchphrase!? Hulk smash!
    Dr. Strange: Oh hell...

  • @ellnats
    @ellnats 6 лет назад +128

    Hulk: you....... YOU KILLED HER!!!!!!!!
    tony:.......im sorry
    *gets smashed through a bunch of buildings*
    (just like in age of ultron)

    • @edvance1030
      @edvance1030 6 лет назад +20

      It was so satisfying to see Hulk smashing everything and everyone, specially Tony Stark. I just love this story.

    • @ellnats
      @ellnats 6 лет назад +5

      IKR personally i would have loved it if reed got killed, that idiot has it coming

    • @electricmastro
      @electricmastro 5 лет назад +3

      @@edvance1030 Perhaps in moment, but after that, there tends to be darkness more often than not. This isn't to defend the atrocities that happened, but I suppose there's also truth to an eye for an eye makes the world blind.

    • @YouthRightsRadical
      @YouthRightsRadical 7 месяцев назад

      @@electricmastro They had that with the civilians going full bloodthirsty asshole on the heroes gathered up in the Hulk's arena.
      Mind you, these are Marvel civilians, and are thus some of the most hateful bastards in all of fiction by default in the first place, so I suppose you could say this was less commentary and more if they hadn't reacted like that it would break people's suspension of disbelief.

  • @codenate02
    @codenate02 3 года назад +13

    What a coincidence! "Puny humans, I've come to smash" was also briefly my Tinder bio.

  • @MoOmBaMaStAr
    @MoOmBaMaStAr 6 лет назад +76

    Holy crap, movie Korg and Meek are so different.

    • @FuugaNatsu
      @FuugaNatsu 5 лет назад +31

      Strange: "Strange smash!"
      Korg: "Piss off, ghost!"

    • @repulser93
      @repulser93 5 лет назад +10

      Point one against Thor: Ragnarok.

    • @stevenchoza6391
      @stevenchoza6391 4 года назад +14

      Adam Sherman
      I say a point for.

    • @sarafontanini7051
      @sarafontanini7051 4 года назад +13

      that's because Planet Hulk was a darker story than Thor Ragnarok. Hell the Red King was a much viler villain than Ragnarok's antagonists.

    • @mr_lrb6879
      @mr_lrb6879 4 года назад +19

      @Adam Sherman & @Steven Choza Honestly, I'd say both versions of Korg and Miek work well for the vastly different versions of the story they're a part of. The humorous takes of them are well-written and fit within the lighter tone of the movie, but that doesn't invalidate the darker versions of them from the original.
      It's like how movie Thanos has a complete change in his goals and motivations, but it works perfectly well within the different context of the MCU and how its version of the Gems work.

  • @honeyham6788
    @honeyham6788 6 лет назад +42

    Skaar and Banner's father son road trip is honestly such a good read

  • @autisticallyartistic5882
    @autisticallyartistic5882 2 года назад +8

    I hate how Thor Ragnorok turned Hulk’s story into a background piece for Thor’s story and made it the comic relief of the movie.

    • @skibot9974
      @skibot9974 Год назад +1

      Apparently Marvel still doenst hold the film rights to Hulk, Universal does. So they’d be unable to make a solo Hulk film without Univerdial getting most of the profits. I imagine Ragnarok was there attempt to do SOME of Planet Hulk since Disney likely wouldn’t green light a new Hulk film

    • @SpawnRevenge92
      @SpawnRevenge92 Месяц назад

      Thor Ragnarok was a farce.

  • @DeathofInk
    @DeathofInk 5 лет назад +46

    "Hey man. I'm Korg, this is Miek, and we're going to wage war on your planet."

  • @TevyaSmolka
    @TevyaSmolka 6 лет назад +87

    When namor is the smart one out of the illumanti then you know you messed up big time ;)

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka 6 лет назад +6

      yup indeed and that's pretty weird to see namor be the voice of reason within the avengers

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka 3 года назад +2

      @Trevor White indeed same here

    • @ryahmib2452
      @ryahmib2452 3 года назад +2

      remember injustice year two ? It was the same situation. guy gardner was the smart one and the voice of reason. i love this

    • @livefromthe3-066
      @livefromthe3-066 3 года назад +3

      Namor and hulk are close. They fought along with each other in the defenders avengers and they fought the avenger together once if I’m not correct

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka 3 года назад

      @@livefromthe3-066 your not wrong ;)

  • @justinlilith4326
    @justinlilith4326 5 лет назад +12

    It says a lot when you managed to make both Bruce AND The Hulk equally fucking pissed.

  • @Nightwing9597
    @Nightwing9597 6 лет назад +134

    KRAKKABA-THROOM??
    Crack a Bathroom??
    Did anyone else hear that?!!?

    • @zeonianking2983
      @zeonianking2983 4 года назад +13

      Hulk have explosive diarrhea!!

    • @DeisFortuna
      @DeisFortuna 4 года назад +4

      I am half convinced that if Marvel can slip a pun into a sound effect, even if the pun makes no sense for the situation, it is editorial mandate to slip in the pun.

  • @Merit2397
    @Merit2397 Год назад +8

    24:24-25:38. Oh, that felt SO GOOD to hear. THANK YOU, LEWIS!!! As someone who is a Marvel fan and dislikes this supposed "era", it's nice to see someone call it out online. Couldn't have agreed with you more.
    29:05-31:05. Again, nice job with the critique. Everything you just said in this video might as well have come from me. I was truly let down as a kid to learn what these "heroes" had done, and it took a long time for me to read more modern Marvel books as a result.

  • @captain_hat6247
    @captain_hat6247 6 лет назад +22

    I loved Planet Hulk until the very end. It was a needlessly tragic ending and a waste of potential. I wanted Hulk to build a galactic empire and explore new possibilities, but they kept the status quo.

  • @MukuonChannel
    @MukuonChannel 5 лет назад +35

    "Puny humans... I've come to smash."
    I can imagine Deadpool in the crowd just yelling: "Banner! Phrasing!"

    • @ellnats
      @ellnats 2 года назад

      me two, fact he said it while i was watching this

    • @danielbrant6740
      @danielbrant6740 2 года назад +1

      *"HULK MAIN AS CAPTAIN FALCON BECAUSE HULK KNOWS HOW TO TIME FALCON PUNCH GOOD!"*

  • @ajjdgj6tmgedvnmtmek
    @ajjdgj6tmgedvnmtmek 6 лет назад +49

    Dude, Hulk vs. Godzilla. I'd watch that movie.

    • @legoking6165
      @legoking6165 4 года назад +5

      I'd prefer Doomsday vs Godzilla, but Hulk vs Godzilla would also be insanely cool.

    • @jfdrac
      @jfdrac 2 года назад +1

      @@legoking6165 Doomsday is just mindless....Hulk could potentially do strategy

  • @Ektalon
    @Ektalon 6 лет назад +13

    "Anyway, in-universe the Hulk went on a rampage that destroyed Los Angeles . . ."
    Heeeeeeey yooooooooo!

  • @flashystarwinger
    @flashystarwinger 6 лет назад +66

    He protecc, he attacc, but most importantly he talk smack about bad comics.

    • @bloodstoneore4630
      @bloodstoneore4630 6 лет назад

      Flashy Starwinger hulc attacc, he protecc, but most importantly, he smash

    • @flashystarwinger
      @flashystarwinger 6 лет назад

      bloodstone ore yeesh auto correct trashed your reply

    • @daelen.cclark
      @daelen.cclark 4 года назад

      Personally, I like both.

  • @Aiddon
    @Aiddon 6 лет назад +13

    "I'VE COME TO SMASH....Final Destination, no items, no Meta Knight"
    "Oh great, so he's one of THOSE players. As if this day couldn't get any more miserable."
    Great stuff. And yes, it is frustrating how good events never seem to have any impact on things while bad events had ramifications for years.

    • @danielbrant6740
      @danielbrant6740 2 года назад

      *"HULK MAIN AS KIRBY AND SPAM STONE MOVE!"*

    • @larrychilders6599
      @larrychilders6599 3 месяца назад

      I main Dedede and suck them in then jump off edge

  • @JustHayden61400
    @JustHayden61400 4 года назад +17

    When Bruce Banner is JUST AS pissed off as the Hulk,you REALLY fucked up!! I'm sad that Planet Hulk hasn't been adapted into the MCU yet

  • @stevenchoza6391
    @stevenchoza6391 4 года назад +28

    If I ever saw the Hulk coming at me yelling “YOU KILLED HER!” I’d GTFO there and put as many miles, planets, and universes between me and him as humanly possible.
    On an unrelated note... uh, Tony...
    (In Angry Joe voice) You done fucked it up!
    That goes for the rest of the Illuminati that isn’t Namor.

    • @larrychilders6599
      @larrychilders6599 3 месяца назад

      That only would prolong your inevitable smash Id negotiate a deal where I could search for an alternate timeline where his wife survived and he didn't, so they could reunite

    • @stevenchoza6391
      @stevenchoza6391 3 месяца назад

      @@larrychilders6599
      Assuming he’d listen…

  • @noir-214
    @noir-214 11 месяцев назад +5

    7:22 the terror that flaps in the night

  • @ToylandChairman666
    @ToylandChairman666 6 лет назад +45

    Even if it's a loose adaptation, I'd love to see this become an AVENGERS movie. Maybe bring in the Leader, so there's some closure from THE INCREDIBLE HULK (2008).

    • @bigfatcarp93
      @bigfatcarp93 6 лет назад +4

      Maybe the Leader could be the one who set off the bomb. Might damage the message somewhat, but it would be cool.

    • @1111-e4p
      @1111-e4p 6 лет назад +2

      A decent Hulk movie? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA good one.

    • @bigfatcarp93
      @bigfatcarp93 6 лет назад +1

      Fuck off, Incredible Hulk was underrated.

    • @ToylandChairman666
      @ToylandChairman666 6 лет назад +1

      Mark Guerrero, well I did say loose adaptation. They don't even need to do PLANET HULK at all. I think it easily could have followed AGE OF ULTRON.

    • @ToylandChairman666
      @ToylandChairman666 6 лет назад +1

      bigfatcarp93, the Leader and General Ross. The Leader could be under the impression he can control the Hulk, which Ross jumps at the thought of. They could have gone with the typical secret family that he loses, similar to Magneto in X-MEN: APOCALYPSE. But that might have been better suited as a sequel to AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON, and rather than Banner being on another planet for two years, instead he's been hiding somewhere on Earth. I still think it could work if they tried. It doesn't have been be exactly like the comic. Grief stricken, Hulk goes mad with rage trying to hunt down Ross and the Leader, with military personnel and numerous heroes who sided with the Sokovia Accords getting in the way. I wouldn't mind seeing Betty Ross again, and maybe Red-Hulk, but I run the risk of this idea being more of an INCREDIBLE HULK 2 than an AVENGERS: WORLD WAR HULK.

  • @samflood5631
    @samflood5631 4 месяца назад +5

    I’m basically on the Hulk’s side and felt that these heroes and the government deserves what’s coming to them. Not just what happened at Sakaar, but what the government did that caused the Super Hero Civil War and those who sided with the Pro Hero Registration Act. A Thor Robot killed Goliath, just for fighting for the freedom of super heroes. Captain America was shot and killed just for fighting against the Pro Hero Registration Act. Black Bolt and his Inhumans just raided New York City and killed a lot of innocent people just because the Inhumans felt they can do whatever they want. And yet the people of this world fully supported these acts. They treated those who sided against the Pro Hero Registration Act as criminals. This whole Hero Registration Act started because the government failed to look into the actual cause of the destruction of Stamford, and instead, used the super heroes as a scapegoat. Hulk might be turning back to his old “Smash” habits, but he’s at the point where he can tell right from wrong and knew who was clearly in the wrong here.

  • @svartfrasr9755
    @svartfrasr9755 6 лет назад +31

    6:30 So why don't you take minute, just sit right thar. Hulk tell you how he became king of Sakaar.

  • @frazierhaley8634
    @frazierhaley8634 5 лет назад +11

    "I've come to smash."
    *Hulk joins the battle!*

  • @redleaderantilles1263
    @redleaderantilles1263 6 лет назад +87

    As good as this story is, it reminds me of why I dislike Marvel so much in this era. Sure it may be fun for some to see characters like Tony get the shit kicked out of them, but for me it is not remotely satisfying. You can have characters do dickish things and border on villains all you want, but I wont really like seeing them pay for it, if them doing those things in the first place was out of character, or their reactions are out of character. Now I buy some of Tony's actions in Civil War and here, but as an Iron Man fan, i don't buy how he went about a lot of them. That's why I am so conflicted on there not being lasting consequences, sure I would like to see these characters pay in the context of the universe, but I know they did not make those dickheaded decisions; their writers did for the sake of drama and edginess. Seeing Tony get beaten up cause Millar could not write him properly is not fun for me, it just reminds me of why I prefer DC.
    Like the final crisis Batman example, Bruce's role in Ted's death made sense within the character, did not feel like it was done out of nowhere, he was not an irredeemable jerk about it, and he saw his mistake. Not only does Marvel rarely make their character pay long term for their mistakes these days, even when they do make them pay it feels off cause often those mistakes feel artificial or the characters react like assholes over it. Which does not make me hate them, but rather hate the writers. If you wanna have Tony make some massive mistakes and pay for it, that's great; but then have him actually pay for it in character and make an effort to change, and importantly make sure that said mistakes are not character assassination. Like the Brother Eye example, Batman making it was wrong, but he admitted fault, and even when he did so, you can still understand why he made the mistake in the first place. He does not become a straw man in order to tell the story is my point.

    • @richardthorndike6608
      @richardthorndike6608 6 лет назад +16

      "I know they did not make those decisions; their writers did for the sake of drama and edginess"
      AND WE HAVE A WINNER!!!! part of the reason MCU works is that they know how to make things serious when they can ans goofy when they can't. Black Panther could be semi-serious because it's world is semi-realistic. You can't do that with hulk he's just too big and strong.

    • @redleaderantilles1263
      @redleaderantilles1263 6 лет назад +18

      That's a fantastic point. Part of why I love the MCU Civil War is cause it manages to have everyone's stance make sense for who they are, be valid, have none of them cross to much of a line, and at the end of the day give a good reason for why Tony and Steve are not handling this as well as they would otherwise. Both groups are right and wrong, and in the end they all still respect one another. The MCU managed to make a heroes vs heroes film, and a tragedy, while still maintaining the fact that these people are heroes.

    • @richardthorndike6608
      @richardthorndike6608 6 лет назад +8

      meanwhile They know how ridiculous the hulk's premise is and how ridiculously overpowered he is so what do they do? [ut him in a giant planet sized play pen with monsters that match his strength and durability and let the cheesball role from their. Thor Ragnorok I felt was dragged by it's first half, but once we got to Planet Hulk it was a blast from start to finish.
      I still don't like Stark but it sounds like he's better handled in the MCU vs the comics.

    • @alexandrefrauches132
      @alexandrefrauches132 Год назад

      Well said! Just because the hero is arrogant and flawed doesn't give writers free pass to just make the character a total jerk to point of being irredeemable. We should be able to see character flaws but also their potential to learn from their mistakes and becoming better person through their experiences.
      I think the best exemple of Tony being a jerk and yet still being portrayed in character is one my favorite Iron Man stories Armors Wars, in which the plot is about he discovering that his technology was stolen and sold to criminals, causing Tony go on crusade against this villains, to deactive their armors. However he so driven by guilt and paranoia that he makes many mistakes and questionable actions, from going beserk and beating and almost killing a criminal after hurting a civilian, invading Russia and causing a international incident, attacking the federal agent Stingray (who didn't use his technology) and trying to deactive the armors of the guardsmen (guards of the prison Vault) and fighting Captain America. The difference is that, unlike Civil War era, Tony actually feels remorse for his actions, he reflects on his actions recognize the damage he caused to the point he "fired Iron Man" (in that period, people thought Iron Man was Stark's bodyguard) from Stark Enterprise and leaves the Avengers, so his friends won't have to pay for his mistake. It's this moments and actions that help readers care for Tony and want to see him redeem himself for his mistakes.

    • @Seasonal-Shadow_4674
      @Seasonal-Shadow_4674 8 месяцев назад

      @@alexandrefrauches132what’s wrong with some characters being iredeemable?

  • @jrny20
    @jrny20 6 лет назад +11

    The joke you made about the Hulk, being rocketed into space; and watching bad movies and riffing on them, gave me the mental image of him taking up five chairs; watching Space Mutiny.
    Hulk: David Ryder not that big! David Ryder puny human!

  • @chromebison5900
    @chromebison5900 6 лет назад +25

    Also, in regards to She-Hulk and the remark she made of bringing the Illuminati to justice, was there any attempt made by her in filing a legal case against them? Seeing that Jenifer Walters was a lawyer, that would have made an interesting story for her.

    • @stephenmarco2927
      @stephenmarco2927 2 года назад +7

      She started doing that in her solo around the time

  • @comicking428
    @comicking428 6 лет назад +115

    Mr. Fantastic seems one step away from having the Superboy Prime voice.

    • @captainsteroid2454
      @captainsteroid2454 6 лет назад +6

      Ye Gods, I think you're right! O_O

    • @adamlastnamenjoku
      @adamlastnamenjoku 6 лет назад +24

      comicking428 ultimate Mr fantastic would be perfect for the superboy prime voice

    • @DimitrisGenn
      @DimitrisGenn 6 лет назад +6

      infamous Adam didn't he became a villain after being rejected by sue?

    • @adamlastnamenjoku
      @adamlastnamenjoku 6 лет назад +5

      ΔΗΜΗΤΡΗΣ ΓΕΝΝΑΙΟΣ yep

    • @tjknight
      @tjknight 3 года назад +5

      @@DimitrisGenn it seems like a lot of heroes' turn to the dark side depends on whether or not Sue Storm swipes right

  • @derrickhaggard
    @derrickhaggard 5 лет назад +27

    I loved this storyline. To an extent with my most favorite moment being that fight between Ghost Rider and Hulk and yes I know it happens in a tie-in issue. But this fight results in Johnny actually giving full control to Zarathos which only happens rarely and even though technically Zarathos wins him and Johnny leave cause they realize their duty is to punish guilty and not harm the innocent even through inaction with realizing that most of the Illuminati are not innocent and leaves them to what they deserve meaning it's saying something when a demon realizes you're in the wrong. This combined with the Secret Invasion results in Tony and Reed getting kicked out of SHIELD and SHIELD being replaced by HAMMER which is led by Norman Osborne aka the Green Goblin which ultimately does more harm then good especially when Norman orders the assault on New Asgard and Aries the mythical Greek God of War actually calls out Norman on how this is a bad idea which results in Norman ordering a Void-possessed Sentry to murder him. And how does Hercules' half-brother die at the hands of the Void by having the Void rip him in half with his bare hands with no effort.

    • @Seasonal-Shadow_4674
      @Seasonal-Shadow_4674 8 месяцев назад

      @derrickhaggard where is Ghost Rider when Norman Osborn took over?

  • @therealdankclank
    @therealdankclank 2 года назад +8

    Says a lot about Namor when he's the one that voted against the idea to shoot Banner into space.

  • @Calzaki
    @Calzaki 6 лет назад +14

    one of the things with lack of fallout is that Secret Invasion happened like less than a year later so it was A: the Marvel equivilant of a 24 hour news cycle moved on quick B: there was other shit to deal with and C: the blame for Civil War and World War Hulk got passed on to the Skrulls despite them never being the instigators of either events (just encouraging and profiting from them)

  • @Crushuhard
    @Crushuhard 6 лет назад +4

    The writer who replaced heroism in the Marvel universe with moral relativism is Brian Michael Bendis. He's the architect of the current "Modern Age of No-Heroes." He just signed an exclusive contract with DC, and has been put on Superman. Pray for Big Blue.

  • @TheBermudaMan
    @TheBermudaMan 6 лет назад +39

    Here's the fundamental problem with the entire WWH scenario: It requires the four heroes who Hulk blames for his wife's death (not to mention the collapse of his entire kingdom) to actually fight the Hulk. The original heroes Stan Lee created would have gone along quietly, preventing the risk of any people being killed or property getting destroyed, while making their claims about not planting a bomb in the Hulk's shuttle look WAY more convincing.
    But then, of course, we wouldn't get any boom-boom pow-pow action. It's a case of character sacrificed for the sake of spectacle.

  • @Wertsir
    @Wertsir 3 года назад +4

    Hulk: “Puny Humans, I’ve come to smash”
    Hell of a way to start a tinder date, but fuck it I’m down. Bring that green ass over here Hulkie.

  • @Fuzzy_Barbarian
    @Fuzzy_Barbarian 6 лет назад +140

    The thing with the Hulk somehow not killing any civilians isn't a matter of realism to me; it's one of consequence. It's saying that with all the times the Hulk has lost control, the damage was always just to property or injuries people could recover from? No. That is stupid. I called out Man of Steel for this and the Hulk as a character is no different.

    • @andyenglish4303
      @andyenglish4303 6 лет назад +11

      But Man of Steel did have people dying.

    • @rexex345
      @rexex345 6 лет назад +25

      Fuzzy Barbarian he never killed anyone doesn't mean people got off Scott free, if no-one died from his more extreme rampages then that means a sizable number of people were probably left with brain damage, paralysis, comas (they don't get counted in death tolls) or any number of far as far worse than death. People left, homeless, jobless, families destroyed by these injuries. This series was the cruel face of karma for all the main characters, but only hulk could realise that and accept responsibility.

    • @Fuzzy_Barbarian
      @Fuzzy_Barbarian 6 лет назад +3

      "Family destroyed"? Unless they're dead, it's not destroyed. Maybe their houses or possessions, but they themselves aren't destroyed. Maybe the story where this is mentioned does mention serious injuries, but the idea that the Hulk *never* killed a single person while rampaging *does* remove the feeling of consequence.

    • @Fuzzy_Barbarian
      @Fuzzy_Barbarian 6 лет назад +8

      Retroactively in BvS, yes. But when the movie first came out, there was noticeable backlash because it was never addressed in the movie itself, along with the collateral damage (i.e. when Clark moves to Metropolis at the end, it's perfectly fine).

    • @bigfatcarp93
      @bigfatcarp93 6 лет назад +16

      This is why I like that the MCU has confirmed deaths at the Hulk's hands. Not a ton, and they probably underplay it more than they should, but he's definitely killed innocents.

  • @MichaelSmith-fq6hz
    @MichaelSmith-fq6hz 2 года назад +4

    "Strange smash"
    Hulk file copyright lawsuit.

  • @yayforeffort
    @yayforeffort 6 лет назад +214

    Hulk never killed anyone, it's explained by Amadeus Cho in canon.
    It is the single fact that made me stop reading Marvel. If Hulk's violent rampages never have any consequences but property damage, then WTF is the big deal?

    • @BronzeBoy520
      @BronzeBoy520 6 лет назад +41

      thund3rchild well let’s be fair, if he did kill someone the rest of the superhero community would have all taken down the Hulk years ago.

    • @yayforeffort
      @yayforeffort 6 лет назад +59

      They have tried.

    • @BlueJaguarRanger
      @BlueJaguarRanger 6 лет назад +96

      Thats the thing, Amadeus had to point it out. That implies the belief is that people did die from Hulk's rampages killed people.
      Also property damage is still a big deal. If I ran a tank through several buildings, they wouldn't be like "well he didn't kill anyone so I guess we can let him off the hook"

    • @TheGrayMysterious
      @TheGrayMysterious 6 лет назад +81

      Kill an entire city of four million people, and you rob them of their future.
      _Destroy_ an entire city of four million people, and you cloud their future with suffering and pain for years to come.

    • @Walt_Xander94
      @Walt_Xander94 6 лет назад +52

      thund3rchild I call bs on that. When Hulk does what he does, there *has* to be a few casualties. Sure, they'd be unintentional, but it'd be a huge consequence to Hulk going nuts. Its not like Bruce is in control, therefore, can avoid citizens if need be, and the worst case scenario would be tons of destroyed buildings if he was fighting Red Hulk or Abomination(like Superman in MoS, he *tried* taking the fight elsewhere, but Zod stopped him from doing that. And before that, those Terraformers did so much damage).
      Its the mindless Hulk we all know, the one that gets stronger the angrier he gets. There would have to be tons of unintentional repercussions whenever Hulk goes on a rampage.
      All those rampages cant be handwaved to people not getting hurt(it sucks that its canon). Thats lazy af. Thats like the early DBZ English Dubs, where when Vegeta & Nappa attacked, there was a line after it saying that civilians were exvacuated, or something alone those lines, even though the two(mainly Nappa) wrecked shit.

  • @iamabrawler92
    @iamabrawler92 6 лет назад +12

    Watching this episode a few days after re-watching "15 things wrong with Civil War" feels extremely satisfying.

  • @RedMimicry
    @RedMimicry 2 года назад +6

    I'm not trying to say the Hulk isn't responsible for his rampages. I firmly believe that justice is a case of "when you make a mess, you clean it up/you make it right". For example: you damage someone else's stuff, you pay or it. You kill a person, you pay your debt to society in jail (and after, but that's a different conversation/fight). And if your actions lead to a planet dying, you take full responsibility for your war crimes, whatever action that may be.
    It may have been Meek's rebels or whoever who set off he warp core, but it doesn't change the fact that the warp core would NEVER have been there if they hadn't sent Hulk there. Keeping Hulk on earth may have resulted in more "rampages" as they seem to be the only way most writer have to justify "popular hero versus the Hulk" fights, but Hulk hasn't and likely wouldn't have killed millions.
    No matter how you slice it, Marvels Illuminati are in the wrong and need to clean up their mess, instead of hiding behind their excuses. They made a mess, they make it right.
    On the other hand I do have to give Marvels writers a tiny bit of credit. People who are rich/famous/in a position of power getting away with their crimes is a much more realistic outcome.

    • @RedMimicry
      @RedMimicry Год назад

      @@jesuschrist22409 Thats a terribley wrong way of taking my rant...
      It would only be your fault if you personally built the house there 😀.
      Shitty, barely "able to called a joke" jokes aside, all I meant was that Stark, Richards and anyone else involved with sending Hulk to that planet deserve some of the blame for what happened, but they never get any of it (outside of this event).
      While typing this out, I was trying to make an example about having a villain make Hulk rampage and then having the villain get away with it and giving Hulk all of the blame, but I realised I don't really care enough about this argument to continue it.
      Stark Richards and the others who chose to send Hulk away against his will deserves some amount of blame for the destruction a world, that is my opinion.
      If you disagree, deal with it. If you agree, deal with it. Either way, have a pleasant evening.

  • @TheDaimon888
    @TheDaimon888 6 лет назад +141

    Hi Linkara I just wanted to say thank for years of amazing entertainment, that is both meaningful, knowledgeable, funny and damn entertaining all at once again thank you and keep up the good work, you rock! Oh and thank you for introducing me to Blind Graudian via your intro last episode their band is amazing their my new favorite symphonic rock band, and the song you chose Sacred Worlds definitely fits the theme of event comics, heck if you made a music video of Infinity War with that song it would fit the film perfectly that song is truly epic and downright timeless, thank you Linkara.

    • @Someguywhocooks
      @Someguywhocooks 6 лет назад +4

      If you like Blind Guardian, try listen to Valhalla. That song is badass

    • @TheDaimon888
      @TheDaimon888 6 лет назад +2

      Actually, I did when first looked up Sacred Worlds, and you're right it is badass thanks.

  • @metal_gear_rayquaza8914
    @metal_gear_rayquaza8914 6 лет назад +2

    Planet Hulk and World War Hulk are actually my favorite Hulk stories ever. I mean poor guy's been shit on more times than a majority of the mutants and you just wanna see things go right for him for once in his life. You can't imagine how happy I was for him when Hulk not only freed planet Sakaar from tyranny, but got hitched with a warrior woman and even had a child on the way. He finally found a true family and friends to count on.
    And then World War Hulk happened. When I saw that warp core detonate and wipe out millions of people, including Hulk's wife and child (before said child was revealed to have survived somehow), all I could think of at that moment was "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCKKKKKKK!!!!" I was so mad at this happening. Like seriously, does Life ever get tired of shitting on him? And yeah I was completely in agreement with Hulk and blamed the Illuminati for this.
    That's how great the story is for me. It had me feeling these emotions as I delved in, it made me root for the Hulk, hoping he would have the peace he longed for.

    • @TeamTowers1
      @TeamTowers1 6 лет назад

      Yeah Hulk is such a "great guy in this story". With how he's willing to ruin millions of lives and beat the ever loving shit out innocent people, just so he can get revenge on four guys.

  • @benvigus8705
    @benvigus8705 6 лет назад +18

    I knew he would do a joke about the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air!
    And the jokes that follow are classic Linkara

  • @Alucard-A-La-Carte
    @Alucard-A-La-Carte 4 года назад +5

    Some of the best tie-ins I've ever read came out of this book. An especially gratifying one was Hulk fighting Ghost Rider, another hero with a theoretically bottomless well of power he can draw on...but it ends in a stalemate after Ghost Rider determines that Hulk isn't guilty or a threat to anyone innocent, as the Illuminati are anything BUT.

  • @alexandergonyea4642
    @alexandergonyea4642 3 года назад +11

    19:25. "Bruce Banner is just as pissed as the Hulk, and you aren't going to be able to talk him down!"
    That legit sent shivers down my spine when I first heard it, as it honestly makes so much sense and I totally believe it!

  • @dannybuckle3763
    @dannybuckle3763 6 лет назад +159

    Reed...bothers me. More so than any other character I've ever encountered in fiction, Reed comes off as an awful, terrible hero, be it in his treatment of the FF, Hulk or any other Marvel character...and yet, he's also done so many truly wonderful things over the decades that I can't truly hate or even dislike him.
    Oh, and on another note, I'm not surprised that Final Crisis was chosen here, but I kinda wish that it was saved for the thirtieth anniversery, as a nod to the really early storyline stuff. Oh well, I'm sure the review will be awesome anyway.

    • @Raximus3000
      @Raximus3000 6 лет назад +11

      Well now that Marvel has the right to a F4 movie they can do good with him.

    • @maymay5600
      @maymay5600 6 лет назад +13

      even his own wife was angry at him for doing that, he messed up real bad!

    • @ianr.navahuber2195
      @ianr.navahuber2195 6 лет назад +16

      i sitll like reed. i feel the karma for all his actions finally catched up with him first with the secret invasion, the reveal ofthe council of reeds (like if that was the multiverse telling reed. "KEEP DOING IT LIKE THAT AND THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL BECOME") AND THEN with the death of jonny (although thatone was misery for the whole team), plushaving to work with victor. AND also figuring out his powers and the ones of his family were slowy killing them, AND THEN the whole fall of the fantastic four AND THEN Seeing evryhting fail to him when he sees his whole family being killed at the beginning of the secretwars AND FINALLY being almost devolved into something pathetic by reed 1610.
      by the time he confronted victor i like to see it as reed finally redeeming himself for eveything.

    • @EternalBooda
      @EternalBooda 6 лет назад +25

      Problem is, nobody knows what to do with his character. He's supposed to be a scientist, but to write a credible science character, you actually have to KNOW a bit of science. There was a while where Reed dealt with metaphysical ideas that sound sciencey, but the real-life culture those ideas were based on devolved into new age spiritualism.
      If they wrote Mr. Fantastic as the 10th Doctor, he'd be an appealing character. Someone who is plagued by his actions in the past, and while trying to atone for them is conflicted with the fact that he has knowledge and technology that, if he isn't careful, can have irrevocable consequences. But he's still charming, and still moral. He isn't detached from reality.

    • @dannybuckle3763
      @dannybuckle3763 6 лет назад +17

      EternalBooda I agree with all of this. Personally I never saw Reed as a difficult character to write for, just have him work on his social skills whilst also dealing with being a father and a scientist. He should be a confident scientist but a social wreck who keeps a lot of secrets from everyone, but as the story pans out he should make more friends (Tony, Bruce, Hank (both Pym and McCoy), Charles) but also face his secretive past with dignity and regret, and not with denial.

  • @RhyperiorRanger
    @RhyperiorRanger 6 лет назад +45

    YES!!!!!!!
    We know each other! He’s a friend from work!

    • @KitsuneRokaku
      @KitsuneRokaku 6 лет назад +12

      Rhyperior Ranger I need to get off this planet.

    • @amytanner4931
      @amytanner4931 6 лет назад +2

      Lydia Cebreros no banner, only hulk

    • @bloodstoneore4630
      @bloodstoneore4630 6 лет назад +5

      Rhyperior Ranger our other friends blasted him into fucking space!

    • @daelen.cclark
      @daelen.cclark 4 года назад +2

      Little known fact: that line was written by a “make-a-wish” kid whose name I don’t remember.

  • @meapickle
    @meapickle 2 года назад +3

    I remember spoony pointing out how the city was repaired in about a month. despite how it would take generations in order to fix everything. Reset button

  • @DFGHulkOfficial
    @DFGHulkOfficial 6 лет назад +18

    +Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall OMG YESS. YESSS. YESSSSSSS. YOU'VE MADE MY DAY. THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR. YOU HAVE DONE US JUSTICE THIS DAY. THANK YOU LINKARA. I LOVE YOU

  • @XenithXenaku
    @XenithXenaku 5 лет назад +24

    24:06-25:39
    *Hulk:* Remember this, puny humans. We came here for *justice,* not murder.
    *Hulk:* So no one on your planet has *died* by our hands. And no one *will.*
    *Hulk:* But we'll make sure no one on earth will ever forget what you are.
    *Hulk:* Liars.
    *Hulk:* Traitors.
    *Hulk:* And killers.
    *Reed Richards:* For the last time Bruce. We didn't--
    *MST3K Hosts:* SHUT UP!
    *Linkara:* Like, seriously, Reed, for the smartest man alive, you really are dumb. What the hell could you possibly have to say that you think would convince him to do things otherwise?
    *Linkara (v/o):* It doesn't matter if you intended on it or not, it happened! Crying out "you didn't mean to" is irrelevant. You did it-and you keep doing it! That's what's so frustrating about this era of the Marvel Universe: the Hulk is absolutely right! These supposed heroes are liars, traitors, and killers-and yet we're still supposed to root for them and agree with them! It was said in a tie-in issue that the reason why they didn't just ask Banner if it'd be okay to send him off to another planet while they worked on a cure was because he might say "no" and thus, they'd never be able to trick him into doing this. They knew it was wrong to do this without his consent, they knew it was wrong to lie to him and trick him. And even if you could forgive that, their action still resulted in the deaths of millions of people, regardless of the revelations we're about to see!
    *Linkara:* So, Reed, shove your excuses and your "We didn't mean to!" right up your oh-so stretchable asshole!

  • @the4thwallkid132
    @the4thwallkid132 6 лет назад +9

    24:27 that speech explains so well why I hated this era of the marvel universe, these heroes we loved and cared about were turned into liars, traitors, and killers, and we're supposed to root for them? No, mother of God, NO!! They need to pay for their crimes, learn from all this to become better heroes and try to make up for their sins so that they can regain the trust they've lost so mean spiritedly!

  • @ladyaceina
    @ladyaceina 6 лет назад +29

    so next week linkara will meet his past self (wonders if any one remembers that gag from way back when)

    • @SorowFame
      @SorowFame 6 лет назад

      ladyaceina which gag?

    • @zerakielvmark
      @zerakielvmark 6 лет назад +3

      Sorow Fame canonically he's supposed to review Final Crisis when he's his dad's age.

    • @billtenth5805
      @billtenth5805 6 лет назад +7

      Considering the fact that that version of him was still living in his parent's basement (and there weren't any shelves behind him) I think it's pretty safe to say that that future has been retconned out of existence.

    • @TaylorOnyx123
      @TaylorOnyx123 6 лет назад

      or it's like dbz time travel logic.

    • @zerakielvmark
      @zerakielvmark 6 лет назад +1

      I'll still blame Superbly prime

  • @berpipo
    @berpipo 5 лет назад +9

    "Puny humans, I've come to smash"
    Raiden: I don't Think so.

  • @CazTheGamerGuy
    @CazTheGamerGuy 6 лет назад +214

    1:48
    That's just what the lizard people want you to think.
    DEADPOOL IS SECRETLY IN CHARGE OF US ALL!

    • @jesusmora9379
      @jesusmora9379 6 лет назад +10

      the lizard people where actually defeated by captain america in the 80s

    • @turbohawk551
      @turbohawk551 6 лет назад

      I KNEW IT 😲!!!

    • @Bluecho4
      @Bluecho4 6 лет назад +10

      "Deadpool is secretly in charge of us all!"
      That explains SO MUCH about the last two years.

    • @Cdr2002
      @Cdr2002 6 лет назад +9

      The new Illuminati: a group consisting of Deadpool, Gwenpool, Squirrel Girl, Moon Girl, and Devil Dinosaur. They are a shadowy cabal that secretly runs the world in an attempt to make the marvel universe funny again.

    • @mitchfletcher2386
      @mitchfletcher2386 5 лет назад

      @@Cdr2002 And SPIDER-HAM AND FOREBUSH MAN ARE THE ONES BEHIND IT ALL!!!

  • @Banditlord52
    @Banditlord52 Год назад +8

    What is with Marvel making its heroes complete assholes in order to sell comics? Both Civil wars and now this have made them unlikable in how they act (especially Tony). Why not just make the culprits hulk villians like the brain, abomination, and Modok? That way you could have a satisfying revenge story without ruining your heroes

  • @belgariontheking1
    @belgariontheking1 6 лет назад +25

    Two things that Linkara left out that I would have liked to see. When the Hulk gets super pissed at the end, he takes a step and shakes the entire eastern seaboard.
    And there is a tie in issue where the Hulk goes to the X mansion and beats down all of the x-men. Even knocking out Wolverine in one punch.

    • @SgtTwilight
      @SgtTwilight 6 лет назад +1

      I was wondering why Prof. X seemed to not incur Hulk's wrath.
      Wasn't their also a tie in issue where Hulk gets sent to the Dark Dimension and fights Red She-Hulk?

    • @amazonstorm
      @amazonstorm 6 лет назад +6

      Basically, in that same tie in, Professor X owns up to what happened and then the Hulk found out about M-Day and decided that he'd suffered enough and left him be.

  • @LemurDreamer87
    @LemurDreamer87 2 года назад +5

    Something that recently occurred to me is just how hypocritical Reed is. He refuses to take responsibility for the deaths of millions because it wasn't intended... But the Hulk maybe killing a few people by accident justified shooting him into space without his consent.

  • @gabrielmurray929
    @gabrielmurray929 3 года назад +8

    I do enjoy how after it is revealed that the Illuminati didn't actually put the bomb in there, therefore absolving them of most of the fault as the reason as to why the Hulk is doing this is because of the explosion, that the Hulk immediately says to them that this whole situation is still there fault to start with for sending him into space in the beginning.

    • @gigangreg7837
      @gigangreg7837 2 года назад +7

      That to me shows Hulk being completely unwilling to let go of ANYTHING; they weren't even supposed to send him to Sakaar, they were sending him to an idyllic wildlife world with no aliens or enemies, and Hulk's internal rampaging led it into a wormhole instead. Hulk is shoving off too much responsibility just because he wants to lash out.

    • @Seasonal-Shadow_4674
      @Seasonal-Shadow_4674 8 месяцев назад

      @@gigangreg7837Miek got off too easy, Hulk should have fucked Jim up

    • @Seasonal-Shadow_4674
      @Seasonal-Shadow_4674 8 месяцев назад

      @@gigangreg7837that’s why I like Wolverine more because Hulk’s a whiny bitch. Idk if Zarathos/Ghost Rider let Hulk fuck up the guys only to be getting off when Norman Osborn takes over

  • @eugenideddis
    @eugenideddis 6 лет назад +6

    “Who should be in my secret organization? I know, only the least moral superheroes in the Marvel Universe!”

    • @TheBatbike
      @TheBatbike 6 лет назад +2

      Eugenideddis sound's legit

  • @LadyPhoenix7777
    @LadyPhoenix7777 6 лет назад +2

    Hulk’s Speech reminds me of Dracula’s speech from the Netflix Castlevania series-Started by the loss of an innocent love, a speech towards the people who fears him, a condemnation of the supposed “good” force, and a warning to leave before he comes to bring ruin.

  • @planescaped
    @planescaped 6 лет назад +15

    Would've been better without the 'twist' and if the shuttle had actually accidentally just exploded. But I guess they had to make Strange, Reed, Stark, and other guy look better.

    • @Dragoon1809
      @Dragoon1809 6 лет назад +14

      planescaped I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the original way the story had gone, but someone said ‘they didn’t like it.’

    • @thetruewisegamer
      @thetruewisegamer 2 года назад

      not really it actually kinda makes them look worse since they( the illuminati) never bother to watch or even check on hulk or bruce there. not even doing the bare minimum to make sure he safe hell i bet they didn't even know it was destroyed.

  • @konton217
    @konton217 2 года назад +3

    One of my favorite tie ins into this comic is when the guy who was the current Ghost Rider went after the Hulk and kept trying to force Ghost Rider to come out to fight the Hulk, but when Ghost Rider finally came out all he did was just look at the Hulk then got on his bike a rode away. It wasn't because he was scared of the Hulk it was because the Hulk was justified in his vengeance and Ghost Rider wasn't going to interfere. Those few panels of Ghost Rider looking at the Hulk spoke so much that I truly lost my sh*t after that.

  • @BlueMageDaisen
    @BlueMageDaisen 4 года назад +26

    The two thing that have limited Hulk's power:
    His anger was usually for petty reasons, anger that fades reasonably swiftly after the initial trigger and doesn't continuously build up
    Bruce existing inside of him, holding him back to whatever extent he's currently able to
    During World War Hulk? Hulk's wife, unborn son and kingdom just died right in front of him and Bruce is encouraging Hulk every step of the way by feeding him his own anger too
    An anger that can never fade and only ever grow, combined with the one thing that restrained him now vehemently on his side...
    The Hulk we see here is probably the most powerful incarnation that could possibly exist and that is TERRIFYING
    Given how in a much more passive state Hulk threw a literal mountain, I feel his title of Worldbreaker may be quite literal during this event

  • @thefatbatman7334
    @thefatbatman7334 6 лет назад +4

    19:26 is why I love World War Hulk. Banner is just as angry as Hulk is. He’s lost everything and been betrayed by those he called friends. He’s beyond pissed and has every right to be. Even if the Illuminati didn’t kill his wife, they’re the reason she’s dead.

  • @redlanternreviews4821
    @redlanternreviews4821 6 лет назад +43

    *KRAKABATHROOM!*

    • @NailBombed
      @NailBombed 6 лет назад +4

      GRRRRAAAAAAAAAA! (Always seems to be The Hulk's go-to catch-phrase(shout) apart from Hulk Smash)

  • @drakefalcone6750
    @drakefalcone6750 6 лет назад +5

    I know you met it as joke, but I could actually see The Hulk coming to Earth with half the universe as an army with the infinity gauntlet. But then again I think you were half jokingly said that. This is a great episode.