Interesting they are going the subscription route rather than an outright purchase like their desktop counterparts. Maybe more details will be released down the line. Exciting to see a version of the software on the other devices though.
Subscription model is probably the only sustainable model for further development. Forced updates/upgrades. Their whole business model now is practically subscription when it comes to apps.
@@mindalteringfx316subscriptions only make their pockets fatter. They can make plenty of money off of a one-time lifetime purchase. Greed is their motivation
You gotta already buy a new iPad with future updates now you gotta pay monthly or annually too? I had to get a new computer when I wanted to update to the later versions of Logic Pro X on the desktop.
I like the subscription model in cases like professional products. It makes it more affordable to the masses and it allows for developers to be paid to support. The program and keep it updated. There is alot of abandoned apps that don’t work or are not to update because there is no one being paid to work on them and update them. I paid full price for both logic and and Ableton back in the day and both are no longer usable in my current set up. So they’re essentially expensive paper weights. At the rate that developers release new paid upgrades it actually comes out cheaper than buying the package full price and then only to find out it’s unusable for future setups blows and if you decide not to use anymore than you don’t feel like you’ve paid for something you no longer use
Man to be honest I don’t get it. I have a Mac book pro lap top 15” if I need a big screen I plug into my 50” monitor, If I need “portability” well I unplug the Mac. Holding an iPad and stretching out the arm higher than a track pad becomes super annoying. Also finger prints. Man it’s a mess. Just get a MBP
Definitely getting this logic pro for Ipad. Don't care about the subscription. Being able to start my church mixes on an Ipad is what I've been wanting. This will become the go-to app for singers, musicians, songwriters, and producers. I saw it has plugin support but I need to see what it will look like. If this could be used for live streaming or a backup recording rig with an iConnectivity interface!!! :) That would be dope.
You could start your church mixes on Cubasis for iPad - has a great sound engine, with mixer and plugin support. I will trial Logic but I feel like people need to shut subscriptions down. I mean, how many subscriptions can a person afford? it's crazy now.
@@drinkinslim Good day. Thanks for the advice. I haven’t checked out Cubase but I will. I know the desktop app has a native dynamic eq, which is great. Not sure about the iPad app. As far as Subscriptions they aren’t going anywhere. I get paid to mix so settings aside an extra $50 a year or five dollars a month isn’t that bad. Plus I’ve been using Logic since logic 9. Got into it right before Logic Pro X came out. So I know it well. I also know subscriptions a better for developer’s. Happier developers, better products. If you have to many subscriptions, cancel what you don’t use.
Hey Jonathan I’ve been thinking of mixing for a church live stream on iPad as well the problem is how to route the output to the livestream streaming software from the iPad. a workaround would be an aggregate device like on Mac but we’ll see hopefully they add that in!
Obviously I hope those of us who paid for Logic don’t have to pay for this…but if we do, I can’t complain too much. Apple hasn’t charged for a Logic update in forever. We’ve all been getting updates for what, a decade, for free? Not a fan of subscriptions, but I can’t complain about one new cost every decade.
yea a Logic subscription was inevitable...I wonder if they will combine it for the desktop version tho...I wouldn't mind paying it as much if it covers having it on the desktop as well...kind of a universal app
Agreed, that would be a nice solution! They should definitely try to do something for those who will use both. I don’t like the subscriptions at all, really, but overall I feel like Logic has been an insanely good value with free updates for as long as I can remember…it’s probably just unreasonable to expect that to last forever. Good video John! 😁
I guess that recoding LPX for IOS was done by people who needed paying. And they will need paying to keep updating it. In that way, a subscription model makes sense. But I’m not paying it. No 3rd party plugins makes it a hamstrung version for me.
@@alwaysaplanb3993 What do you mean no third party plugins? You can definitely use third party plugins in Logic for iPad, just as you can in other iOS DAWs.
Nah. Cubasis is dope and all but Logic Pro kick its ass in every single way imaginable. This is coming from an avid cubasis user. If you’ve never used Logic Pro than i see why you wouldn’t know that but cubasis is pretty lackluster and missing tons of things it should have by now. Shit, it took cubasis 3 forever to get shit you could do in cubasis 1, logic will have everything and more at launch. Cubasis is dead in the water at this point and need to pull some shit out of their ass
@@cyrus6581 it’s already miles better than iOS has in any specific one daw. It’ll just keep getting better and better. This is legit a pro level daw on iPad. Cubasis came close but is miles behind. Auria pro is the only real daw comparable but it’s hardly ever updated
This is obviously geared towards those of us who do music production via iOS devices, but I’m sure they’ve considered the loyal macOS logic producers here as well. I’m referring to the reaction that you and others seem to have over the subscription charge. You know there are gonna be some things on there that you’ll enjoy as well. Who knows if it’ll be packed with that kind of stuff bc of its main purpose, but that’s why that free trial makes this overall a thing that I think everyone should be excited about. The criticisms can come after it’s released and after we’ve all tried our free trials (obviously).
Thanks for this. Not sure if I care about doing music on the iPad anymore. Use to pass the time when I rode the subway. Since the pandemic I don’t have the time to even use my iPad. Been using logic since emagic 1.0 still have the emagic sound card. Great for the iOS beat makers.
Man I’ve been an iPad user for 13 years. I have every right to be excited. I’ve been on Logic since 2009. I don’t care about the sub. I care about the platform this is the future always has been. I can sale a cheap beat at $200 and pay for 4 years of Logic lol. Come on 50/yr that’s only 2 months of pro tools. I’ve invested plenty of time and money into this platform and this is a win for us iOS producers.
As a logic x user .. I’m interested in of the iPad Pro version will be able to connect to an external hard drive and run a project from that or even store additional samples on an external drive. I feel without a large amount of storage this could be a hit or miss. I do like the idea of be mobile and mix away from the studio.. great way to create alternative mixes without needing to turn on a light show of gear.
Apple gave us all love for over a decade with LPX it’s been pay 200.00 once and free the rest of the time. That’s more than fair. The sub is cheaper than almost any other sub…50 a year? Cheap. That’s what like a bit over 4 bucks a month? A soda at a gas station costs that much. I really can’t complain at all. I’ve been a Logic user since Emagic owned it.
John Mike whats up. I need that update on Peculiar Sounds so it will work with (Reason 11). I know you tight with Jamal at Gospel Musicians and all those VST's work in (Reason 11)
Hello, I have a Yamaha midi keyboard, a lightning style iPad. I can’t get the sound to play THRU my Yamaha instead of the iPad. I have tried everything- any suggestions? The midi is working and I can see the keys moving on the screen and sound is playing thru the iPad. Thank you!!!
I want to find an app to play live on my ipad. I used garage band drum beats a few times but my issue was I could not layer sounds and also the sound stops depending on where i go in garage band while playing. I was able to get somewhat of what i’m looking for using aum and garage band for drums the other day. I was about to get camelot pro as it seems to be an all in one to make set lists but wondering now if I should wait on logic. I would be easier for me to load and organize any song with the normal apple files app.
I can see it...maybe even higher./..like $199 a year on desktop...like basically buying the daw again every year...Pro-tools and Studio One have been doing that for years
Different perspective, how much have you paid for logic over the last 10 years? I’ve spent over double on one release of Ableton that I’ve used for 2 years than I have on Logic which I have been using for 15 years. But not Apple want people to pay the cost of a coffee once a month to have a mobile version of the app they can take anywhere on a device smaller than a notebook, I think that’s very reasonable.
Is this why when I try to buy Logic Pro from the app store on my mac it keeps saying “this is item is being modified, please try again later”? So i need to wait until May 23rd to be able to purchase Logic i guess?
DO NOT support subscriptions. Think about what you are encouraging by thinking "its not that much", IT IS that much if you start thinking how much is already subscriptions and how many more they will become if you just keep accepting it all
I'm interested in seeing the review from you, I think this would probably make Yaahn pretty happy as a LPX user. 😅 I wonder what the motivation was behind subscription, I want to think because Apple sales actually decreased (there's news about M2 Macs not selling as expected, iPhones not selling as expected) they made this subscription, but Apple has more money than I practically count, so what is their game plan here?
I’ve been talking with Yaahn all morning about this…he’s ecstatic…I’m Zaire his take will be coming pretty soon as well…and yea I don’t think it’s a money thing…I think they are just following suite with all the others in the industry…just about every daw and plug-in is gonna be subscription before it’s over…
I can only speculate but it is difficult to get people to pay what they would pay for something that they can buy for their desktop computer. From what I have seen, plugins that you can buy on the Mac and iOS are cheaper on iOS. I don't the iOS community would pay $200 for an app. It isn't what they are used to. They could sell it for less but that may canablize desktop sales. So like many other iOS applications before it, a subscription model is used. A lot of plugin in manufactures have resisted making iOS version of their products. I think they are waiting to see how all of this pans out before they make a decision on whether to make the financial investment.
So you have to pay a separate monthly fee for the iPad version or will the five dollar amount come with both versions for the Mac and iPad.. it wouldn’t make sense to pay an additional five dollars if you already have logic but if you’re getting it for the iPad and the Mac, then that would be better
It’s great that Logic Pro comes available on iPad, but just like you, I’m already a Logic Pro user on Mac. What about us? I don’t mind a subscription, I have several, though it seems like Apple doesn’t let Mac Logic Pro owners get the iPad version for free. I don’t see it as a huge problem. $4.99/month is cheap ($49 annually even cheaper), and I’m definitely going to subscribe to use Logic Pro (also) on my iPad Pro. And I think I understand why Apple offers a subscription plan for Logic. They could have asked an one time fee for the iPad version. Something like $200 to $250. That will scare off a lot of potential users. Personally I don’t mind an expensive app, whether it’s for Mac or iPad, and I prefer buying software with a single purchase (just like I did for Logic on Mac in the past). I think Apple wants more people coming over to the iPad ecosystem (and current iPad GarageBand users), and many aren’t willing to pay a high price for an application. It will be another subscription for me, though I wish it would be an one time purchase. Nevertheless, almost any company has subscription models only, and the majority of them are a lot more expensive than Apple (Adobe anyone?). Great video
You will still be able to use your logic x on all MACOS products. like you currently do but logic for iPad is different software with the same name. Also, if I buy logic for the iPad, I am not going to be able to use it on my MacBook, so I don't know why people are making such a big fuss about it.
I use Cubasis 3. Logic Pro looks a LOT better. I always used windows PCs and my iPad M-1 Pro is so much faster, I’m ok paying a dollar a week to have something this good on it.
But it’s subscription based. Nope! I’ll never buy into that, can’t afford all of these subscriptions. Apple don’t need the revenue. It’s a pi**take imo
I think hopefully will open the way for other developers to take ios more seriously and we get ports of all the DAWs. Personally i might end up trying it but i do not do subscriptions
I use Bitwig Studio that has full touch screen support and you can use it on any device. Like the Asus Flow X13. So this news in nothing exciting for me. Hey Mike, can you review the Roland FP-10 and compare it to Studiologic SL88 Studio, in terms of key feel? Thx!
Why do the 12.9 iPads looks giant on video but in real life they feel regular lol I’m on one and it looks huge in videos . When I first got it it was enormous but not anymore
"You will own nothing and be happy". That is the subscription model. Not for me. Only a one time pay otherwise no deal. If you stop subscription, you lose it.
@@nsp932 Where do they get the funds to develop new feature? Paying once for license and using it for 10 years in 10 machines is not a sustainable model. Sure is Apple, but a business is a business. Back in the day innovation was from year to year. Now it's minute to minute. New protocols and technology is here every single day. Have you tried Mubert? is a text to music software, would love to see that in logic. Subscriptions also give feed back about who is using their software and what features get the most subs. Of course it should be a hybrid model where it's just for specific features like Logic iPad.
@@nyambe for Apple, them not charging a subscription is still sustainable since Logic isn’t available on their competitors’ products. That means loyal Logic users will ultimately buy new replacement Apple desktops, laptops, and/or iPads, over the years, just to have continuous access to Logic. They’re still making money as a result of their DAW’s exclusivity. Your argument would fit if Apple was strictly a software company whose sales of Logic was something they heavily relied on.
Cubasis is great and all but not better than logic by a mile. Also cubasis 4 will release soon and you’ll have to buy cubasis again. This is going to crush cubasis
Y'all need to chill. I seriously doubt Logic is ever gonna be a subscription model for the desktop/laptop version. The whole marketing plan there is sell you a $200 dollar piece of software so good you buy another $1500 computer every so often to keep using it.
I'm excited about this as it will make other devs take the iPad seriously and make apps for it and plugins. Ipad is more than capable of running music apps and I've always been mad that people only use it as a "toy". This is a chess move from Apple, and I'm sure other music app companies will also take the iPad ecosystem a little more seriously by bringing in more pro apps.
I’ll tell you another thing to consider about this. There’s obviously a lot of conversations going on these days around the topic of music production and AI’s potential to make portions of it obsolete. However, those types of conversations are happening right now around the same time that the absolute best/most capable daw is being released for iPad music production. I understand they’re out to make money with this product. That’s all it is at the end of the day, but it also offers some optimism in regards to the fact that at the end of the day, there is a potential within a human music producer/songwriter that can undoubtedly compete in a market that will become more saturated with AI. You don’t get an opportunity like this (Logic Pro for iOS) if the opportunities for music producers and songwriters are dying hard and fast. You get an opportunity like this when/if there is still demand for these types of people. It’s only going to draw more people in as well. Part of the criticisms against iPad music production rest in the fact that up until now, there has not been an iOS daw that is close to as good as this. Those of us who produce music on our iPads know and understand the appeal of doing so. It’s kind of indescribable, but it exists, and now there will be a whole new generation of people who will have the opportunity to see if it appeals to them. Not only that, they will have a better opportunity at discovering the appeal of iPad music production on a very capable and professional daw. It’s great. I’m excited for it.
Their explanation will be just like all of the other 3rd party developers which is they're doing it to offer dedicated customer support. We all know that's a big lie. Apple support is gradually becoming garbage.
Awwe man this means i don't have to buy a mac.I'm a pc guy but i do have a iPad bout to upgrade that joker.I was tinkering around with garage band but it don't feel complete.I think it's on now I've been waiting for this.
I will not be abandoning Cubasis on my iPad for this. I am only going to deal with LPX on Mac where it performs best. I feel like having too many options is destroying my productivity. Could it work as a live performance tool?? If so, only use it for that.
Thanks for the vid John, but I'm just not impressed by Apple any more, despite being one of their brand champions in the past. Their marginal cost of £200/$200 for any minor hardware improvement is difficult enough to swallow, but if they're moving into the software-as-a-service market then they are really gonna alienate people. And it's not as if they're short of money...
Subscription-only is unethical and sends a shitty signal into the market. Besides that it would have been a lot more effective not to divert the development team from tending to more important things on the desktop app. Why the hell would I want a full DAW on an iPad anyway?
not excited at all.. recording for me involves extra and often external hard-drives, interfaces, and often I need this stuff to run IN THE FIELD where I DEFINTIELY do NOT want internet running particularly wifi which I do NOT want interfering with in-ears.. so the subscription ???? how the heck is this going to work IN THE FIELD?? I have owned logic since Logic version 6!!! this is SUPER lame!!!! in the field when I need to multi-track, the field has no internet!!!!
Fact is if apple told y’all $200 for Logic on the iPad as well yall would complain about that as well. So here’s your option get it or don’t get it either way I’m in 😂
Professionals that claim this back on expenses complaining about £50 a year Also a good pro will just factor in the subscription into their fees surely
I agree with you. As a Logic (and Final Cut) user, I have been looking forward to them coming to the iPad. But the whole subscription based model and no third party plugin support completely puts me off!
A lot of us are going to strike? Well to be fair, Apple is not the first to the iPad scene when it comes to video editing and there are other apps out there that allow for a one time purchases. I have even seen apps where they give you the option to pay 5 dollars a month for a subscription or 200 dollars outright. Apple would do so much better if they gave users the ability to choose if they wanted to subscribe or to pay outright.
Just hate I will have to get a newer iPad Pro to use Final Cut. My 2018 iPad Pro handles multicam in Lumafusion flawlessly. At least apple is working on Final Cut
@Grimbo and all that bad music is what's sells. Ridiculous. Music be whack and you can't understand nothing they saying they sound like they casting spells and people love it.
After 4 years paying 49 dollars, you paid 200 dollars which is the price of logic pro for the laptop and desktop version. In retrospect, it is therefore not beneficial.
The subscription is wak imo, like you said, some of us already bought it….not really owning your daw and all your projects is sketchy, still exciting tho🎼
Check out my hands on live review here: ruclips.net/user/liveYYOkTIFxxaE
It means that Logic Pro and FCP for OS X will be subscription soon.
Just need Native Instruments to port Kontakt over to iOS Audio Unit and then this could be perfect for just about everything!
Yup
GAME OFFICIALLY CHANGED!
Interesting they are going the subscription route rather than an outright purchase like their desktop counterparts. Maybe more details will be released down the line.
Exciting to see a version of the software on the other devices though.
definitely! I saw this coming tho!
Subscription model is probably the only sustainable model for further development. Forced updates/upgrades. Their whole business model now is practically subscription when it comes to apps.
@@mindalteringfx316subscriptions only make their pockets fatter. They can make plenty of money off of a one-time lifetime purchase. Greed is their motivation
You gotta already buy a new iPad with future updates now you gotta pay monthly or annually too? I had to get a new computer when I wanted to update to the later versions of Logic Pro X on the desktop.
I like the subscription model in cases like professional products. It makes it more affordable to the masses and it allows for developers to be paid to support. The program and keep it updated. There is alot of abandoned apps that don’t work or are not to update because there is no one being paid to work on them and update them. I paid full price for both logic and and Ableton back in the day and both are no longer usable in my current set up. So they’re essentially expensive paper weights. At the rate that developers release new paid upgrades it actually comes out cheaper than buying the package full price and then only to find out it’s unusable for future setups blows and if you decide not to use anymore than you don’t feel like you’ve paid for something you no longer use
Man to be honest I don’t get it. I have a Mac book pro lap top 15” if I need a big screen I plug into my 50” monitor,
If I need “portability” well I unplug the Mac.
Holding an iPad and stretching out the arm higher than a track pad becomes super annoying. Also finger prints. Man it’s a mess.
Just get a MBP
I’ve had Logic since 5.3 platinum. Before the Apple buyout. When they were Emagic Logic
How can I get his
Definitely getting this logic pro for Ipad. Don't care about the subscription. Being able to start my church mixes on an Ipad is what I've been wanting. This will become the go-to app for singers, musicians, songwriters, and producers. I saw it has plugin support but I need to see what it will look like. If this could be used for live streaming or a backup recording rig with an iConnectivity interface!!! :) That would be dope.
You could start your church mixes on Cubasis for iPad - has a great sound engine, with mixer and plugin support. I will trial Logic but I feel like people need to shut subscriptions down. I mean, how many subscriptions can a person afford? it's crazy now.
@@drinkinslim Good day. Thanks for the advice. I haven’t checked out Cubase but I will. I know the desktop app has a native dynamic eq, which is great. Not sure about the iPad app. As far as Subscriptions they aren’t going anywhere. I get paid to mix so settings aside an extra $50 a year or five dollars a month isn’t that bad. Plus I’ve been using Logic since logic 9. Got into it right before Logic Pro X came out. So I know it well. I also know subscriptions a better for developer’s. Happier developers, better products. If you have to many subscriptions, cancel what you don’t use.
We also have to consider the cost of customer service. People want Grade A customer service but don’t wanna pay anybody. Life don’t work like that.
Hey Jonathan I’ve been thinking of mixing for a church live stream on iPad as well the problem is how to route the output to the livestream streaming software from the iPad. a workaround would be an aggregate device like on Mac but we’ll see hopefully they add that in!
@@djboost123 probably either Apple Lightning to USB Camera Adapter or Apple - USB Type-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter - White
Logic Pro for iPad is really made for people who've already invested into the iOS ecosystem with AUv3 apps and plugins.
Obviously I hope those of us who paid for Logic don’t have to pay for this…but if we do, I can’t complain too much. Apple hasn’t charged for a Logic update in forever. We’ve all been getting updates for what, a decade, for free? Not a fan of subscriptions, but I can’t complain about one new cost every decade.
I just checked…looks like Apple hasn’t charged for an update since Logic Pro X in 2013. So literally a decade. I’m sorry, but stop complaining.
yea a Logic subscription was inevitable...I wonder if they will combine it for the desktop version tho...I wouldn't mind paying it as much if it covers having it on the desktop as well...kind of a universal app
Agreed, that would be a nice solution! They should definitely try to do something for those who will use both. I don’t like the subscriptions at all, really, but overall I feel like Logic has been an insanely good value with free updates for as long as I can remember…it’s probably just unreasonable to expect that to last forever. Good video John! 😁
I guess that recoding LPX for IOS was done by people who needed paying. And they will need paying to keep updating it. In that way, a subscription model makes sense. But I’m not paying it. No 3rd party plugins makes it a hamstrung version for me.
@@alwaysaplanb3993 What do you mean no third party plugins? You can definitely use third party plugins in Logic for iPad, just as you can in other iOS DAWs.
what about your VSTs?
Cubasis might be something to look into for the one time fee for a DAW for iPad.
Cubasis is the best 💪🏾😎
i'm going to stick with cubasis
I don't pay $5 a month
Nah. Cubasis is dope and all but Logic Pro kick its ass in every single way imaginable. This is coming from an avid cubasis user. If you’ve never used Logic Pro than i see why you wouldn’t know that but cubasis is pretty lackluster and missing tons of things it should have by now. Shit, it took cubasis 3 forever to get shit you could do in cubasis 1, logic will have everything and more at launch.
Cubasis is dead in the water at this point and need to pull some shit out of their ass
@@cured_bacon647 I tried it and didn't rate it at all. Hopefully it'll get better
@@cyrus6581 it’s already miles better than iOS has in any specific one daw. It’ll just keep getting better and better. This is legit a pro level daw on iPad. Cubasis came close but is miles behind. Auria pro is the only real daw comparable but it’s hardly ever updated
@@cured_bacon647 out of interest, in your opinion, what would cubasis need to do to be competing with logic
This is INSANE!!!! I can't wait to use this!
IKR!!!
Shooting pro res directly into the app will change workflow for small video
It's about time! Now were is Ableton for the iPad?
that part!
This is obviously geared towards those of us who do music production via iOS devices, but I’m sure they’ve considered the loyal macOS logic producers here as well. I’m referring to the reaction that you and others seem to have over the subscription charge.
You know there are gonna be some things on there that you’ll enjoy as well. Who knows if it’ll be packed with that kind of stuff bc of its main purpose, but that’s why that free trial makes this overall a thing that I think everyone should be excited about. The criticisms can come after it’s released and after we’ve all tried our free trials (obviously).
Thanks for this. Not sure if I care about doing music on the iPad anymore. Use to pass the time when I rode the subway. Since the pandemic I don’t have the time to even use my iPad. Been using logic since emagic 1.0 still have the emagic sound card. Great for the iOS beat makers.
Man I’ve been an iPad user for 13 years. I have every right to be excited. I’ve been on Logic since 2009. I don’t care about the sub. I care about the platform this is the future always has been. I can sale a cheap beat at $200 and pay for 4 years of Logic lol. Come on 50/yr that’s only 2 months of pro tools. I’ve invested plenty of time and money into this platform and this is a win for us iOS producers.
Very good points!
It's here where?
As a logic x user .. I’m interested in of the iPad Pro version will be able to connect to an external hard drive and run a project from that or even store additional samples on an external drive. I feel without a large amount of storage this could be a hit or miss.
I do like the idea of be mobile and mix away from the studio.. great way to create alternative mixes without needing to turn on a light show of gear.
I think the external harddrive thing will be possible…there’s already other apps that use this functionality
Yeah, iPad already does that.
Be mobile? So, a laptop then :D
Does anyone know if they will have a piano roll where I can touch in the notes
Apple gave us all love for over a decade with LPX it’s been pay 200.00 once and free the rest of the time. That’s more than fair. The sub is cheaper than almost any other sub…50 a year? Cheap. That’s what like a bit over 4 bucks a month? A soda at a gas station costs that much. I really can’t complain at all. I’ve been a Logic user since Emagic owned it.
John Mike whats up. I need that update on Peculiar Sounds so it will work with (Reason 11). I know you tight with Jamal at Gospel Musicians and all those VST's work in (Reason 11)
Yeah I really thought there would be some benefit to being a long time logic owner
Hello, I have a Yamaha midi keyboard, a lightning style iPad. I can’t get the sound to play THRU my Yamaha instead of the iPad. I have tried everything- any suggestions? The midi is working and I can see the keys moving on the screen and sound is playing thru the iPad. Thank you!!!
If they include the hammond b3 from Logic pro, i'm definitely interested.
It’s in there
I want to find an app to play live on my ipad. I used garage band drum beats a few times but my issue was I could not layer sounds and also the sound stops depending on where i go in garage band while playing. I was able to get somewhat of what i’m looking for using aum and garage band for drums the other day. I was about to get camelot pro as it seems to be an all in one to make set lists but wondering now if I should wait on logic. I would be easier for me to load and organize any song with the normal apple files app.
The only thing I’m waiting for is kontack on iPad
The subscription ..... the future
wait till the Mac version goes in the sam direction
49 will morph to 99 in a few years
I can see it...maybe even higher./..like $199 a year on desktop...like basically buying the daw again every year...Pro-tools and Studio One have been doing that for years
@@Johnmike apple is like any company ... they need to make up for the any loss in revenue and make us all pay for it one way or the other
@@Johnmike studio one does it right by letting you choose how you pay
Different perspective, how much have you paid for logic over the last 10 years? I’ve spent over double on one release of Ableton that I’ve used for 2 years than I have on Logic which I have been using for 15 years. But not Apple want people to pay the cost of a coffee once a month to have a mobile version of the app they can take anywhere on a device smaller than a notebook, I think that’s very reasonable.
Is this why when I try to buy Logic Pro from the app store on my mac it keeps saying “this is item is being modified, please try again later”? So i need to wait until May 23rd to be able to purchase Logic i guess?
They’re going the Adobe route getting apps into more users hands, it’s cheaper than streaming services like Netflix and Spotify, etc.
Amazing! Apple found a way to boost iPad sales especially since laptop sales have been down with the advent of the M1.
looks dope bro!
So logic can transfer between ipad and Mac and back but final cut only goes to the Mac not from the mac
Is there a way to get access to one of the videos you private? It’s an old video that I use to watch but now I don’t have access to it anymore
What’s the video?
It’s was one of the musican Monday video where you talk about the power of simple, breaking down the 6-5-4 chords and the different progressions
It’s not too crazy since these devices are powerful as laptops
About to get crazy
yup
DO NOT support subscriptions. Think about what you are encouraging by thinking "its not that much", IT IS that much if you start thinking how much is already subscriptions and how many more they will become if you just keep accepting it all
I'm interested in seeing the review from you, I think this would probably make Yaahn pretty happy as a LPX user. 😅
I wonder what the motivation was behind subscription, I want to think because Apple sales actually decreased (there's news about M2 Macs not selling as expected, iPhones not selling as expected) they made this subscription, but Apple has more money than I practically count, so what is their game plan here?
I’ve been talking with Yaahn all morning about this…he’s ecstatic…I’m Zaire his take will be coming pretty soon as well…and yea I don’t think it’s a money thing…I think they are just following suite with all the others in the industry…just about every daw and plug-in is gonna be subscription before it’s over…
I can only speculate but it is difficult to get people to pay what they would pay for something that they can buy for their desktop computer. From what I have seen, plugins that you can buy on the Mac and iOS are cheaper on iOS. I don't the iOS community would pay $200 for an app. It isn't what they are used to. They could sell it for less but that may canablize desktop sales. So like many other iOS applications before it, a subscription model is used. A lot of plugin in manufactures have resisted making iOS version of their products. I think they are waiting to see how all of this pans out before they make a decision on whether to make the financial investment.
The Question is can you work on Dolby Atmos projects with this ?
that's my question too...we shall see
Thanks
So you have to pay a separate monthly fee for the iPad version or will the five dollar amount come with both versions for the Mac and iPad.. it wouldn’t make sense to pay an additional five dollars if you already have logic but if you’re getting it for the iPad and the Mac, then that would be better
$5 Just for iPad only
It’s great that Logic Pro comes available on iPad, but just like you, I’m already a Logic Pro user on Mac. What about us? I don’t mind a subscription, I have several, though it seems like Apple doesn’t let Mac Logic Pro owners get the iPad version for free. I don’t see it as a huge problem. $4.99/month is cheap ($49 annually even cheaper), and I’m definitely going to subscribe to use Logic Pro (also) on my iPad Pro. And I think I understand why Apple offers a subscription plan for Logic. They could have asked an one time fee for the iPad version. Something like $200 to $250. That will scare off a lot of potential users. Personally I don’t mind an expensive app, whether it’s for Mac or iPad, and I prefer buying software with a single purchase (just like I did for Logic on Mac in the past). I think Apple wants more people coming over to the iPad ecosystem (and current iPad GarageBand users), and many aren’t willing to pay a high price for an application. It will be another subscription for me, though I wish it would be an one time purchase. Nevertheless, almost any company has subscription models only, and the majority of them are a lot more expensive than Apple (Adobe anyone?). Great video
Do you pay a subscription fee for a desk you bought at your house? Why do we pay a subscription fee to an app? Are we tenants? Why can't I buy?
Thx mate!!!
Yeziiiir! Goodbye Garage Band! ✌🏾
You will still be able to use your logic x on all MACOS products. like you currently do but logic for iPad is different software with the same name. Also, if I buy logic for the iPad, I am not going to be able to use it on my MacBook, so I don't know why people are making such a big fuss about it.
That’s what I figured it was gonna be…
So the iPad iOS project files are not compatible with the Mac version??
I use Cubasis 3. Logic Pro looks a LOT better. I always used windows PCs and my iPad M-1 Pro is so much faster, I’m ok paying a dollar a week to have something this good on it.
Right! Love cubasis and i use it a ton but im never going to touch it again after getting Logic Pro!
But it’s subscription based. Nope! I’ll never buy into that, can’t afford all of these subscriptions. Apple don’t need the revenue. It’s a pi**take imo
John I'm NGL to u dis is terrible news for me cuz I got a ipad mini 4 and can't get cuz they don't support those anymore, but that's good to know
I’m not seeing anything about Flex editing yet (pitch, slicing, polyphonic, monophonic, etc)
I’m wondering about that too
I think hopefully will open the way for other developers to take ios more seriously and we get ports of all the DAWs. Personally i might end up trying it but i do not do subscriptions
I use Bitwig Studio that has full touch screen support and you can use it on any device. Like the Asus Flow X13. So this news in nothing exciting for me.
Hey Mike, can you review the Roland FP-10 and compare it to Studiologic SL88 Studio, in terms of key feel? Thx!
I don't think Bitwig loads on iPad. You'd need at least two devices, right?
@@drinkinslim If you have a 2 in 1 laptop like the Asus Flow X13 you don't need an iPad.
$50 a year is not bad. Definitely cool stuff!!
It's for an Ipad Pro ?
Watch till the end I show compatibility at some point
Why do the 12.9 iPads looks giant on video but in real life they feel regular lol I’m on one and it looks huge in videos . When I first got it it was enormous but not anymore
It's like big screen TVs; they look huge at first but then you get used to them.
that subscription model is a no from me tho
"You will own nothing and be happy". That is the subscription model. Not for me. Only a one time pay otherwise no deal. If you stop subscription, you lose it.
Hate to break it to you but all the software you have paid in full for… You wont own that either lmao
@@cured_bacon647 I can use it forever. Not he rented ones.
I actually like the subscription model, it keeps software updated. I want some IA stuff in there, bring it Apple!
That makes zero sense. The software should be updated regardless of how you pay, even if the update isn't free.
@@nsp932 Where do they get the funds to develop new feature? Paying once for license and using it for 10 years in 10 machines is not a sustainable model. Sure is Apple, but a business is a business. Back in the day innovation was from year to year. Now it's minute to minute. New protocols and technology is here every single day. Have you tried Mubert? is a text to music software, would love to see that in logic. Subscriptions also give feed back about who is using their software and what features get the most subs. Of course it should be a hybrid model where it's just for specific features like Logic iPad.
@@nyambe for Apple, them not charging a subscription is still sustainable since Logic isn’t available on their competitors’ products. That means loyal Logic users will ultimately buy new replacement Apple desktops, laptops, and/or iPads, over the years, just to have continuous access to Logic. They’re still making money as a result of their DAW’s exclusivity. Your argument would fit if Apple was strictly a software company whose sales of Logic was something they heavily relied on.
Two words: FL Studio. (Lifetime updates.) ;)
@@drinkinslim 2 more words fruity loops
I would be dope if I was invested into apple ecosystem but I’m not because I can’t respect their glued hard drive model. 5-10-23
I mite explore Cubase for a one time fee
Cubasis is great and all but not better than logic by a mile. Also cubasis 4 will release soon and you’ll have to buy cubasis again. This is going to crush cubasis
Y'all need to chill. I seriously doubt Logic is ever gonna be a subscription model for the desktop/laptop version. The whole marketing plan there is sell you a $200 dollar piece of software so good you buy another $1500 computer every so often to keep using it.
I'm excited about this as it will make other devs take the iPad seriously and make apps for it and plugins. Ipad is more than capable of running music apps and I've always been mad that people only use it as a "toy". This is a chess move from Apple, and I'm sure other music app companies will also take the iPad ecosystem a little more seriously by bringing in more pro apps.
I’ll tell you another thing to consider about this. There’s obviously a lot of conversations going on these days around the topic of music production and AI’s potential to make portions of it obsolete. However, those types of conversations are happening right now around the same time that the absolute best/most capable daw is being released for iPad music production.
I understand they’re out to make money with this product. That’s all it is at the end of the day, but it also offers some optimism in regards to the fact that at the end of the day, there is a potential within a human music producer/songwriter that can undoubtedly compete in a market that will become more saturated with AI.
You don’t get an opportunity like this (Logic Pro for iOS) if the opportunities for music producers and songwriters are dying hard and fast. You get an opportunity like this when/if there is still demand for these types of people.
It’s only going to draw more people in as well. Part of the criticisms against iPad music production rest in the fact that up until now, there has not been an iOS daw that is close to as good as this. Those of us who produce music on our iPads know and understand the appeal of doing so. It’s kind of indescribable, but it exists, and now there will be a whole new generation of people who will have the opportunity to see if it appeals to them. Not only that, they will have a better opportunity at discovering the appeal of iPad music production on a very capable and professional daw. It’s great. I’m excited for it.
Is LPX preparing us to go subscription based?🤔 gradually!!!
Their explanation will be just like all of the other 3rd party developers which is they're doing it to offer dedicated customer support. We all know that's a big lie. Apple support is gradually becoming garbage.
So great👽✌️
Beat Breaker looks like Gross Beat for Logic
Awwe man this means i don't have to buy a mac.I'm a pc guy but i do have a iPad bout to upgrade that joker.I was tinkering around with garage band but it don't feel complete.I think it's on now I've been waiting for this.
For me, Garageband is "weird" and clunky. Hopefully Logic will be better. But I don't know about $50 USD, EVERY YEAR. Ouch.
I will not be abandoning Cubasis on my iPad for this. I am only going to deal with LPX on Mac where it performs best. I feel like having too many options is destroying my productivity. Could it work as a live performance tool?? If so, only use it for that.
The free trial better make me feel it’s worth it or I’m sticking to Cubasis & BM3
LMFAO
Beatmaker 3 and cubasis are about to be obsolete bud!!!
Thanks for the vid John, but I'm just not impressed by Apple any more, despite being one of their brand champions in the past. Their marginal cost of £200/$200 for any minor hardware improvement is difficult enough to swallow, but if they're moving into the software-as-a-service market then they are really gonna alienate people. And it's not as if they're short of money...
The convergence continues. This is the next big step from Apple
I'll just keep using my macbook Pro m1. No money required.
Why does equipment cost money?????
What you guys think? excited for this or naa?
check the full article here: www.apple.com/logic-pro-for-ipad/
😀😀😀
Subscription-only is unethical and sends a shitty signal into the market. Besides that it would have been a lot more effective not to divert the development team from tending to more important things on the desktop app. Why the hell would I want a full DAW on an iPad anyway?
not excited at all.. recording for me involves extra and often external hard-drives, interfaces, and often I need this stuff to run IN THE FIELD where I DEFINTIELY do NOT want internet running particularly wifi which I do NOT want interfering with in-ears.. so the subscription ???? how the heck is this going to work IN THE FIELD?? I have owned logic since Logic version 6!!! this is SUPER lame!!!! in the field when I need to multi-track, the field has no internet!!!!
@@RAILWAY_FILMS I’m not totally sure it’s gonna need the internet to run offline…but we shall see…
How much disk space is needed for the iPad version of Logic Pro?
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I’ve used Logic since it was called Steinberg. I’m ooooooooooold…. 😊
i dont want to suport subscription model logic
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Bro… the automation 😢 I hate automation in logic, being able to draw in ramps etc is game changing
Fact is if apple told y’all $200 for Logic on the iPad as well yall would complain about that as well. So here’s your option get it or don’t get it either way I’m in 😂
Eggsactly…they’d hang apple for selling a $200 iPad app!
WTF SICK AF
It’s like cubasis thats all nothing crazy.
Professionals that claim this back on expenses complaining about £50 a year
Also a good pro will just factor in the subscription into their fees surely
Eggsactly 😎
I agree with you. As a Logic (and Final Cut) user, I have been looking forward to them coming to the iPad. But the whole subscription based model and no third party plugin support completely puts me off!
There is third party pluggin support and there are many of them available and has been for years. They are called auv3’s
@@cured_bacon647 Oh interesting! I'd like to use my Arturia or Neural DSP plugins. I'm not sure they are available in that format though.
Apple messed up - no one is down with being taken for a ride - a lot of us are gonna strike against apple on this one
A lot of us are going to strike? Well to be fair, Apple is not the first to the iPad scene when it comes to video editing and there are other apps out there that allow for a one time purchases. I have even seen apps where they give you the option to pay 5 dollars a month for a subscription or 200 dollars outright. Apple would do so much better if they gave users the ability to choose if they wanted to subscribe or to pay outright.
Im going to subscribe and many many others will. It’ll be fine
@@cured_bacon647 it don’t matter to me. You could be slaves to apple bro - they are happy to own you 🤣
JUST SAY NO TO SUBSCRIPTIONS! FORCE THEM TO SELL OUT RIGHT!
It wouldn’t matter…apple doesn’t need the money…whether we buy or subscribe it doesn’t hurt them at all…
@@Johnmike That's why they should give it out for free just like Garage Band
5 dollars, which is 4,60 in euro's ?
welllll forget about it..... over here in holland it will be 6 euro's per month !!!!!!!!!!!
Just hate I will have to get a newer iPad Pro to use Final Cut. My 2018 iPad Pro handles multicam in Lumafusion flawlessly. At least apple is working on Final Cut
Is Luma Fusion also being continually updated?
@@wordswondrouswords6120 absolutely
@@matthewpateofficial Seeing as both FCP for iPad and LumaFusion can only export to the Mac and not the other way, Luma has more value.
I was expecting the guy to actually demonstrate it not just talk about it. I guess he doesn't have early access like the rest of us.
Hold up… buy an iPad to subscribe to a program? Nah… I was loving this idea too. I’ll stay with the laptop.
Everybody going to be a producer now and a video editor now that world will be oversaturated
That’s what they said about the turntable, the player piano, the electric guitar, and the synthesizer.
@Grimbo and all that bad music is what's sells. Ridiculous. Music be whack and you can't understand nothing they saying they sound like they casting spells and people love it.
But these tools already exist on iPad. It's just Apple's version this time.
NO WAY APPLE
I SAY NO TO SUBSCRITIONS!
WAVES TRIED THE SAME THING
When my gear pays me a reliable income on a monthly basis, I’ll consider paying monthly for my gear. I buy all my gear upfront. No subscriptions.
After 4 years paying 49 dollars, you paid 200 dollars which is the price of logic pro for the laptop and desktop version. In retrospect, it is therefore not beneficial.
The subscription is wak imo, like you said, some of us already bought it….not really owning your daw and all your projects is sketchy, still exciting tho🎼
Lost me at subscription
I Apple.
No freedom...
So What? No new innovation
Cubasis is the best 💪🏾😎
i'm going to stick with cubasis
I don't pay $5 a month
lol cubasis is going to be obsolete once this comes out.