THIS Is an excellent Video. :) Great tip(s) on this class of saw. Interesting you did mention the 281, mine is a lot more "pleasant" to live with than my 288 & Blue 288.
Hey there, thanks a bunch, I really appreciate seeing you digging deeper into that clone saw. Found the fatal flaw, which was immensely satisfying, but you summed it up well in the final minutes and it fits my attitude about these Chinese saws. To have something that will stand up it is going to need bottom and top end substitutions with better components....at least if you increase the saws performance with performance porting. It is getting out of reason for my tastes. And even if a guy does not upgrade now, you would be wondering when the lower end or something in the piston assembly and cylinder would go....it is a pay now or pay later proposition the way I see it....even with leaving it bone stock. I am well past the age and physical form necessary to really use one of these, but got to admit the strong attraction to taking the build on, confidence inspired by your excellent teaching and generous sharing of information. Thank you.
stay warm tinman!! great vid! finally got all the parts for my 2163 build! wanted to start tomorrow but free maple to get! bigger stuff no-one likes around here! 30 in. cheers!
I have a dozen stihl n stihl clone kit saws n just built my 395kit a month ago.. gave it a Lil woods port n piped muffler mod n I friggin love this saw ..only swapped piston n ignition switch n runs like a champ..it's strong n sounds amazing..I need more husky's in my life!!..
I love watching shows like this. I thought your videos on porting with the cutaway engine was awesome. I did auto-machine work and mechanic work for years but not able to do that anymore. I built a farmertec MS660 (Hyway big bore with a little port work, gasket delete, muffler mod & Walboro carb)(Couldn't find my degree wheel so no numbers) a couple years back to try chainsaw milling. The saw will pull more than I can hold anymore. Pulled a 54" bar through red oak over 3' diameter with no problem. I can't handle milling anymore because of disability but I do still use it a little for firewood when my MS170 is being overworked but can't stand running it long. I figure my son-in-law will end up with it. I'd like to try building a 365 or 372 kit saw or maybe blown Husky sometime but disability payments probably not going to allow that lol. Thanks for education.
Hey buddy hope you're doing well and staying warm as well and exactly winter doesn't stop me either i simply dress for the weather and layer up if its cold out and ive never had a problem.
I just got a 660 farmertec. Ordered crank bearings and seals from Wolf Creek because of their support for your channel. I might put it together and see what it can do with the stock parts and the new bearings. I'd like to port it but if the numbers look good I might just clean everything up and leave it alone to start.
We’ve got lots of big saws out here on the wet coast , the other day my nefue was telling me about his old Sthil 090 , he was impressed with my old homelite it’s ancient 🇨🇦👍
@@tinmanssaws yes sir you are correct... and I love doing it. Thanks for paving the way for other saw builders. 👀 I'm learning as a utube creator people (other utubers) hate lol but, you always stay so nice.... thate my style always will be brother 🙏
Awesome video buddy!! Definitely awesome detail on what might be wrong and why!!! I’d definitely love to try and build a saw for my self!! I do have an older 025 saw witch might be a smaller saw but I do love the light weight of the saw!!! It definitely could use some more power so that I could run a 20” bar or even a 24” bar if possible!!! What would some of your thoughts on my ideas I mentioned hear??? Well thanks for any info I’d really appreciate it a bunch
That’s too bad about the 590. I have all echos and was curious what you’ll do with it. I’m not a fan of big heavy saws. I just got a 4910 I moddded the muffler on and love it. 50cc is plenty for Pennsylvania hardwood and easy on my back. My 590 has a 28” with the same mod and rips. Hope your doing good not smoking. It’ll definitely help get over flus and colds faster
Thanks! What did you end up doing with Kalab's 590 that never ran right? Those saw's aren't too bad really, and your porting looked good, not too high on the exhaust roof, and the lowers looked great! Charles Brisco raises the uppers a little, and usually goes pretty hot on the porting, and his rip. Mine is running real good at the moment! Heh heh ... We are way into winter already here, and I'm just cutting a little by the road, to last a week, and for fun and exercise. Thanks for all the tips!
Hi Tinman, take a look at the case gasket under the carb area. I could not get a good look at it in the video but it looked like the gasket was hanging out a little far. Might be an air leak in the crank case.
Awesome content brother... I had to replace the carburetor on my g288 as well. Made it a beast 💪. Most of my channel is clone saws so I'm always looking for new ways to bullet proof them. So, are you going to do more clone builds in the future?
Tinman I've come across a problem I've never seen before any ideas what would cause it?. I had a little stihl 023 given to me for my nephew to run if I could get it running well I got the thing running with fuel down the head and after investigating the needle in carb is corroded so bad its game over for the carb I think. Strange the rest of carb looks spotless. Maybe try one of these aftermarket ones for £6. Loving the videos my friend 😀
Heh, you mentioned big saws and milling lumber, oddly enough I'm watching this while a video uploads in the background to my channel of using my Dolmar 120si to mill a log. While 68cc isn't all that big in the grand scheme of things, it's big enough to cut some slabs! I'd love a Dolmar 9010 90cc and a 48" mill/bar... But that's a pipe dream at the moment.
Had figured it was the crank seal on that side. But that o-ring being to big does explain why the oil pump installation was suspect, actually put in on and off several times and that is why the o-ring got pooched.
Hi, If you want to know for sure if the carb off this 288 is good, just fit it on the other 288 and run it for a tank or two .... simples.... A least that way when you get to the end of your build you'll have confidence with the carb and not a question mark. Having 2 saws the same is luxury many builders dont have, swapping parts back and forth is a great dagnostic opportunity.
@@tinmanssaws Dont discount the swapping parts back and forth between 2 saws as a diagnostic tool, its easy on stuff like carbs, ignition....gives a degree of certainty when you get one of those confusing situations. Example: If you had a good running CS590, you could borrow parts from it, prove your hypothosis about the ignition timing issue on the CS590 project saw :)
Imho it’s a less headache to have a few a few of the same version/model with at least one runner in the fold. Makes for quick diagnosis If you have parts known to work …
That's why the 385 and 390 are so sweet. Inboard clutch stock saw that'll yoink a 36 in douglas all day. Need more than 1 chain a day it's not a pain in the butt.
I just watched your vid on the bar comparison. When you showed the holtzfarma bar and how much it wore down. Brought up the question of how good are the saws if the bars ware that quickly ?
I go to my local bearing supply house if I need O rings, they are pretty good there. I fit the O ring but also put a thing smear of sealer around it. Will be interesting to see how the saw runs after you work on it and your buddy runs it TM, will he video it running?.
I have a G288 that has been flawless for milling.. I’m kinda bummed you have had issues with them. I bought the G395 as soon as it came out to run my CSM with. Haven’t used it for that yet, but I’ve been cutting some firewood with it. Get one and run it, I’d be interested in your opinion.
With those o-ring have you tried to size them, what I mean by that is to shrink the oring I used to have to do this with automatic transmissions when i didn't have the right tools I would use a zip tie and put it around the oring and tighten it up and let it set for a while then install the part
btw your buddy's saw with the ignition issues ...... i have run across more than a few chains saws that will run and idle but won't rev . replace the ignition coil and it is back to running normally .
Tin man, do you have a boot dryer? I find getting the moisture from my own sweaty feet out of my boots, and starting each day with a dry dry boot, helps keep my feet warm and leather boots. Food for thought
got a 365 special today sh .......... it has a share of work done but overall looks clean .....is all origional ........ put a tank of petrol through it cutting a large well dried out ash log ........went ok .....is no ball of fire ...... i would say that there is a bit of wear on the engine ........would i get away with a piston kit from say meteror or would i be better off with the complete cylinder kit ............. i took off the exhaust and looked in at the piston ....cannot see any scoring ......... saw was traded in to dealer as it had starting problems .......he put in a needle in the carb ......it starts well now .......did these saws make strong compression when new ?
just a thought ...... farmertec has the big bore 58mm 395 cylinders on sale right now ...... maybe graft one onto a 288 and port the ever loving snot out of it ;) myself i got one , and a set of 372 cases ..... thoughts of turning down a 288 crank , fitting it to the 372 cases , then fitting the 58mm cylinder to it ....... i think it will all fit together ....... what is the worst that can happen ???? i get to learn how to tig weld magnesium :D btw i found a source of reed valves , those Chinese bicycle stroke conversion engines ...... some companies make "racing " parts for them and it includes reed blocks that may be easily fitted
HEY, I've got a Farmtech 395 and it RUNS N CUTS. Never had an once of issues with this thing. Also have the Farmtec 288 and It's a RUNNER TOO. You should get a 395 and give us your honest opinions
Maybe we can chip in to get tinman a set of hardness testers, I think a cheap set is like $60 on hamazon, then he could hardness test all the farmertech saws that come through his shop and we can draw some semi-usefull conclusions about their quality control fluctuations? Sort of like the playing the stock market, hah, the new batch are good, buy buy buy! Or, this batch is butter, hold off unless you have a stock crank to swap in.
Idk about the clone saws some say they are great some say no but i do know if ya got to buy a new saw an change most all the parts out u may as well get a oem saw. Jus my thoughts. Hope all is well sir.
My 61 husky this days start's to go weird on the tune! When i put the saw with the clutch up, she dies! Maybe something around the oil pump gets leaking! cheers!
@@tinmanssaws do you know the Bunnyboots ? I ordered them directly from the States to Germany for my Shop . Today it was -1 celcius and we had Snow. These Army Bunnyboots are absolutely warm.
The orange g395's right now have their plastic painted orange. As soon as they bring in a shipment of 395's with actual orange plastic I'm buying. I just can't bring myself to own a blue chainsaw.
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Another great video Tinman. I can't wait to see you working on this one.
THIS Is an excellent Video. :) Great tip(s) on this class of saw. Interesting you did mention the 281, mine is a lot more "pleasant" to live with than my 288 & Blue 288.
I have a mint 181 that I love. I tjink I'll pull it out soon
I would love to see a 395 build. Mainly because I have one. It’s be nice to have a video to reference if I ever need to do work to it
The Chanel of learning , good as always buddy 👍
Hey there, thanks a bunch, I really appreciate seeing you digging deeper into that clone saw. Found the fatal flaw, which was immensely satisfying, but you summed it up well in the final minutes and it fits my attitude about these Chinese saws. To have something that will stand up it is going to need bottom and top end substitutions with better components....at least if you increase the saws performance with performance porting. It is getting out of reason for my tastes. And even if a guy does not upgrade now, you would be wondering when the lower end or something in the piston assembly and cylinder would go....it is a pay now or pay later proposition the way I see it....even with leaving it bone stock. I am well past the age and physical form necessary to really use one of these, but got to admit the strong attraction to taking the build on, confidence inspired by your excellent teaching and generous sharing of information. Thank you.
stay warm tinman!! great vid! finally got all the parts for my 2163 build! wanted to start tomorrow but free maple to get! bigger stuff no-one likes around here! 30 in. cheers!
I have a dozen stihl n stihl clone kit saws n just built my 395kit a month ago.. gave it a Lil woods port n piped muffler mod n I friggin love this saw ..only swapped piston n ignition switch n runs like a champ..it's strong n sounds amazing..I need more husky's in my life!!..
I love watching shows like this. I thought your videos on porting with the cutaway engine was awesome. I did auto-machine work and mechanic work for years but not able to do that anymore. I built a farmertec MS660 (Hyway big bore with a little port work, gasket delete, muffler mod & Walboro carb)(Couldn't find my degree wheel so no numbers) a couple years back to try chainsaw milling. The saw will pull more than I can hold anymore. Pulled a 54" bar through red oak over 3' diameter with no problem. I can't handle milling anymore because of disability but I do still use it a little for firewood when my MS170 is being overworked but can't stand running it long. I figure my son-in-law will end up with it. I'd like to try building a 365 or 372 kit saw or maybe blown Husky sometime but disability payments probably not going to allow that lol. Thanks for education.
Hey buddy hope you're doing well and staying warm as well and exactly winter doesn't stop me either i simply dress for the weather and layer up if its cold out and ive never had a problem.
With those upgrades, that's gonna be an awesome replacement for Caleb's CS-590!
This will be awesome to see the comparison. TC Mahalo Tinman 🤙🤙🤙
I just got a 660 farmertec. Ordered crank bearings and seals from Wolf Creek because of their support for your channel.
I might put it together and see what it can do with the stock parts and the new bearings. I'd like to port it but if the numbers look good I might just clean everything up and leave it alone to start.
We’ve got lots of big saws out here on the wet coast , the other day my nefue was telling me about his old Sthil 090 , he was impressed with my old homelite it’s ancient 🇨🇦👍
cheers. good info on the bad kit 288
Can’t wait to see the travel and the destination. I’ve used an old style compass to test polarity, your thoughts pls. Take care.
Love the content. Keep an eye on the budget for the build. A guy can end up with a pretty expensive aftermarket saw this way.
That's the risk we take with these kits. They either work or you swap parts. It's all good fun though.
@@tinmanssaws yes sir you are correct... and I love doing it. Thanks for paving the way for other saw builders. 👀 I'm learning as a utube creator people (other utubers) hate lol but, you always stay so nice.... thate my style always will be brother 🙏
Can’t wait for the G395XP. The early ones had a piston issue that they seemed to have solved.
Awesome video buddy!! Definitely awesome detail on what might be wrong and why!!! I’d definitely love to try and build a saw for my self!! I do have an older 025 saw witch might be a smaller saw but I do love the light weight of the saw!!! It definitely could use some more power so that I could run a 20” bar or even a 24” bar if possible!!! What would some of your thoughts on my ideas I mentioned hear??? Well thanks for any info I’d really appreciate it a bunch
Sound like good idea. I bought one. But have not put it together. Been think may get cylinders for it. I think about go to 58 mm piston and cylinder
That’s too bad about the 590. I have all echos and was curious what you’ll do with it. I’m not a fan of big heavy saws. I just got a 4910 I moddded the muffler on and love it. 50cc is plenty for Pennsylvania hardwood and easy on my back. My 590 has a 28” with the same mod and rips. Hope your doing good not smoking. It’ll definitely help get over flus and colds faster
Thanks! What did you end up doing with Kalab's 590 that never ran right? Those saw's aren't too bad really, and your porting looked good, not too high on the exhaust roof, and the lowers looked great! Charles Brisco raises the uppers a little, and usually goes pretty hot on the porting, and his rip. Mine is running real good at the moment! Heh heh ... We are way into winter already here, and I'm just cutting a little by the road, to last a week, and for fun and exercise. Thanks for all the tips!
Thanks Friend
Hi Tinman, take a look at the case gasket under the carb area. I could not get a good look at it in the video but it looked like the gasket was hanging out a little far. Might be an air leak in the crank case.
Awesome content brother... I had to replace the carburetor on my g288 as well. Made it a beast 💪. Most of my channel is clone saws so I'm always looking for new ways to bullet proof them. So, are you going to do more clone builds in the future?
Tinman I've come across a problem I've never seen before any ideas what would cause it?. I had a little stihl 023 given to me for my nephew to run
if I could get it running well I got the thing running with fuel down the head and after investigating the needle in carb is corroded so bad its game over for the carb I think. Strange the rest of carb looks spotless. Maybe try one of these aftermarket ones for £6. Loving the videos my friend 😀
Heh, you mentioned big saws and milling lumber, oddly enough I'm watching this while a video uploads in the background to my channel of using my Dolmar 120si to mill a log.
While 68cc isn't all that big in the grand scheme of things, it's big enough to cut some slabs!
I'd love a Dolmar 9010 90cc and a 48" mill/bar... But that's a pipe dream at the moment.
sounds like a good time , see how it last but your fixing alot, but a good build is awesome if its cheep
Get some Thinsulate boots or wool felt lined arctic pacs. 👍
Had figured it was the crank seal on that side. But that o-ring being to big does explain why the oil pump installation was suspect, actually put in on and off several times and that is why the o-ring got pooched.
Hi, If you want to know for sure if the carb off this 288 is good, just fit it on the other 288 and run it for a tank or two .... simples.... A least that way when you get to the end of your build you'll have confidence with the carb and not a question mark. Having 2 saws the same is luxury many builders dont have, swapping parts back and forth is a great dagnostic opportunity.
I probably won't run that carb. This saw is going to a professional cutter so a used oem carb will be the way to go I think.
@@tinmanssaws Ok, that makes sense given the other upgrades you talked about in the video. I respect that decision.
@@tinmanssaws Dont discount the swapping parts back and forth between 2 saws as a diagnostic tool, its easy on stuff like carbs, ignition....gives a degree of certainty when you get one of those confusing situations.
Example: If you had a good running CS590, you could borrow parts from it, prove your hypothosis about the ignition timing issue on the CS590 project saw :)
Imho it’s a less headache to have a few a few of the same version/model with at least one runner in the fold. Makes for quick diagnosis If you have parts known to work …
That's why the 385 and 390 are so sweet. Inboard clutch stock saw that'll yoink a 36 in douglas all day. Need more than 1 chain a day it's not a pain in the butt.
I just watched your vid on the bar comparison. When you showed the holtzfarma bar and how much it wore down. Brought up the question of how good are the saws if the bars ware that quickly ?
I go to my local bearing supply house if I need O rings, they are pretty good there. I fit the O ring but also put a thing smear of sealer around it. Will be interesting to see how the saw runs after you work on it and your buddy runs it TM, will he video it running?.
I'd love to see a 395 make its way on the channel
I have a G288 that has been flawless for milling.. I’m kinda bummed you have had issues with them. I bought the G395 as soon as it came out to run my CSM with. Haven’t used it for that yet, but I’ve been cutting some firewood with it. Get one and run it, I’d be interested in your opinion.
With those o-ring have you tried to size them, what I mean by that is to shrink the oring I used to have to do this with automatic transmissions when i didn't have the right tools I would use a zip tie and put it around the oring and tighten it up and let it set for a while then install the part
my 395 is on its way, will be my 5th farmertec
You could press test case. That could help find the leak
Those kits are probably good for a set of case's and the plastic !
i had a plug fail on a lawnmower one time no spark at all took so long to figure it out intermittently working
btw your buddy's saw with the ignition issues ...... i have run across more than a few chains saws that will run and idle but won't rev . replace the ignition coil and it is back to running normally .
Tin man, do you have a boot dryer? I find getting the moisture from my own sweaty feet out of my boots, and starting each day with a dry dry boot, helps keep my feet warm and leather boots. Food for thought
I have forced air in my house so my boots liv3 life over the vent at the door. Drys em right out
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I've been looking for a 394, but if it comes down to it,I'll get an off brand 395.
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Tinman, buy a 395 kit in orange. Just gotta do it. All the fixins done right up
Boom!
is this the 295/395 you are looking for? Farmertec 93.6cc Holzfforma G395XP? $350 on amazon.
Could the farmertech crank be heat treated and would it help?
got a 365 special today sh .......... it has a share of work done but overall looks clean .....is all origional ........ put a tank of petrol through it cutting a large well dried out ash log ........went ok .....is no ball of fire ...... i would say that there is a bit of wear on the engine ........would i get away with a piston kit from say meteror or would i be better off with the complete cylinder kit ............. i took off the exhaust and looked in at the piston ....cannot see any scoring ......... saw was traded in to dealer as it had starting problems .......he put in a needle in the carb ......it starts well now .......did these saws make strong compression when new ?
Yes please do get a 395
just a thought ...... farmertec has the big bore 58mm 395 cylinders on sale right now ...... maybe graft one onto a 288 and port the ever loving snot out of it ;)
myself i got one , and a set of 372 cases ..... thoughts of turning down a 288 crank , fitting it to the 372 cases , then fitting the 58mm cylinder to it ....... i think it will all fit together ....... what is the worst that can happen ???? i get to learn how to tig weld magnesium :D
btw i found a source of reed valves , those Chinese bicycle stroke conversion engines ...... some companies make "racing " parts for them and it includes reed blocks that may be easily fitted
HEY, I've got a Farmtech 395 and it RUNS N CUTS. Never had an once of issues with this thing. Also have the Farmtec 288 and It's a RUNNER TOO.
You should get a 395 and give us your honest opinions
I think you should put it back together make sure that was the problem then work saw over but that's me it would just bother me if I didn't
Maybe we can chip in to get tinman a set of hardness testers, I think a cheap set is like $60 on hamazon, then he could hardness test all the farmertech saws that come through his shop and we can draw some semi-usefull conclusions about their quality control fluctuations? Sort of like the playing the stock market, hah, the new batch are good, buy buy buy! Or, this batch is butter, hold off unless you have a stock crank to swap in.
How can I get a saw ported and tuned? I’m in states.
I have one I got from somebody that scored the piston I installed a highway pop up next porting
Idk about the clone saws some say they are great some say no but i do know if ya got to buy a new saw an change most all the parts out u may as well get a oem saw. Jus my thoughts. Hope all is well sir.
My 61 husky this days start's to go weird on the tune! When i put the saw with the clutch up, she dies! Maybe something around the oil pump gets leaking! cheers!
What do you charge to build a saw?
New crank and piston
Tinman you need Bunnyboots.
They are so warm. Never had cold Feet in them.
I have -100 H&H boots. Pretty hard to beat those.
@@tinmanssaws do you know the Bunnyboots ? I ordered them directly from the States to Germany for my Shop . Today it was -1 celcius and we had Snow. These Army Bunnyboots are absolutely warm.
Just out of curiosity most of the channels that does saw has Husqvarna and not other saws is that just cuz y'all can get them and not the others
The orange g395's right now have their plastic painted orange. As soon as they bring in a shipment of 395's with actual orange plastic I'm buying. I just can't bring myself to own a blue chainsaw.
They do have orange 395’s.
@@jackylsmith8138 yes, but I have heard the plastic was the wrong color so the Chinese painted the plastic to match. I don't want painted plastic.
Leather boots, your feet are wet probably because they sweat in them. I have the same issue.
Dont use oils on boots! Use parafin wax.
rubber pullovers will keep yourr feet warm
I don't see the point in building a kit saw and replacing everything but the cases.
OEM carbs are absolutely out of reach for my budget.
Give it away
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