Why People Stopped Caring About Lil Nas X
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
- Lil Nas X has landed himself in a boat load of controversy with his latest song, and it seems like people are getting tired of it. So today we look into whether or not Lil Nas X needs controversy to survive..
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Timestamps:
00:00 Lil Nas X Needs Controversy to Survive
00:20 Lil Nas X Finds His Groove
04:25 Lil Nas X Doubles Down
09:08 Can He Last?
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He's in his flop era. His gimmicks are tired. And he only apologised cos the song flopped.
he didnt even apologize he just apologizes for the communion video promoting the song, not the actual song itself
Now if Kanye hadn't engaged in the exact same words and actions, you wouldn't be a hypocrite, and it wouldn't be clear that the 100x more outrage is due to it being a gay man doing it. Save the homophobic dog-whistles about it being "a gimmick, tired, lame, etc" because we all know you understand "dog-whistling" just fine the second a racist white person uses it to try to disguise their racism!!
The thing about shock value is that you can't do the same thing twice.
Montero was at least catchy, J Christ is just boring.
The apology isn’t real either. It’s to try to get attention because nobody was paying attention.
@@GrustaniaNicko I mean the song doesn’t say anything bad, just like montero
The thing about shock value is that you can't do it twice.
Giving Satan a lap dance is shocking. Calling yourself "J Christ" is just the same thing again, but watered down.
he should grow some balls and blow Hell daddy for his fans. That'll make him "controversial" again.. for two days. yawn
It did work the difference is the song he released this time was not good and catchy enough to keep him up again
Even spotify reposted him with a quote “mid music”😭😭
THAT IS INSANE ,I NEED TO SEE THAT😂
damn 🥲
Y’all remember when Lady Gaga used to be super controversial and pissed everyone off with her queerness and religious imagery? She then toned it down and let her talent do the talking and now she’s one of the most beloved singers and actors in the industry. I think Lil Nas X should do the same. The question is, does he have the talent and range to rebrand?
Nah... he gay.
@@kuroneko334 ??
lol nas x can’t even make good music
Nahh she fell off and tried to move towards film and even that hasn't really worked out. That Gucci movie was cringe.
@@AstroMonkey52 every star’s career has peaks and valleys. She reached a new peak with A Star Is Born and she is bound to reach another with Joker 2. Plus she just had a number one song from her newest album so I wouldn’t say she fell off.
I wish the music industry would actually be about music.. not dumbass obvious marketing controversy...
Nah forreal tho !
you mean like the country star that tried to cash in on 9-11?
Wait, it's all about marketing controversy?
Always has been
it's an INDUSTRY, so ...
Marketing is a large part of the music industry. Getting in the studio is just one piece and always has been.
The truth is that he's done all the controversial stuff with his last album and he got all the attention he wanted. And in my opinion, he's good enough to make a song about literally anything else and it'll do well..he doesn't need any of this stuff anymore. It's just tiresome
Well art ain't always fan service. Sometimes it needs to exist to change humanities status que. You guys will hate him now but his work will change humanity and will be appreciated by historians of future generations. His the first openly black gay music artist that went big.
The thing is, it’s not even the interesting kind of controversial. It’s so safe. So boring. Going for Christian boomers is kind of a low hanging fruit
@lastsaint4162 I'm not hating on him. I'm just disappointed that he's going with the same played out trope over and over again. He didn't NEED to make his song about religion. He didn't need to "act like Jesus" he knew the amount of attention it would bring cause of his image and status that's why he did it. But what I'm saying is that he didn't have to. He could've just made a song about literally anything else and things would be fine.
@lastsaint4162 I'm not even bothered about the song and the music video, I really couldn't care less even tho I'm a Christian. It doesnt bother me at all. But I'm saying for him it's not even a good idea
We know. You can't call it bad without blow-back, so you call it "tiresome." When straight Kanye does it, it is a tribute, when gay Little Nas X does it, it is "mockery/blasphemy" but it has nothing to do with the HipHop community being homophobic... Right..
The problem with being controversial is that you can only do it so much before people stop paying attention
i honestly forgot abt nas x 😂
right, I thought the title said Nas for a second☠☠
Same here ngl ever since Montero and Industry Baby ☠
same, and i'm actually a nas x fan...i'm surprised he's still been dropping music
It's just getting repetitive. It's also annoying when he doesn’t stand his ground and acts confused as to why people are mad. Like if you poke at people then why are you shook when they get mad? Isn't that the reaction you were looking for?
This right here is the reaction he’s looking for lmao
The fact that his latest song is flopping kinda says a lot.
love to see it
Giving Satan a lap dance is shocking.
Calling yourself "J Christ" is just the same thing again.
fr it's so satisfying
Guess j Chris mythology is out of fashion just as zues flopped. The age of adults having imaginary friends is over.
@@lastsaint4162 did lil bro just say imaginary friends 😹 grow up edgy ah
Past artist like Whitney, Michael & even Mariah didn’t need desperate offensive gimmicks. They let the talent speak for itself. Whitney Houston’s Super Bowl performance has gotta be one of the best examples of pure talent, no gimmicks.
You just named 3 of the greatest artists of all time tho that’s not fair😂. However the principle is the same, I wish we focused more on talent.
@@shanel4294 you couldn’t have said it better! There will never be others like Michael, Whitney or Mariah! Even Celine Dion is one heck of a singer and a legend on her own!
All true
@@rakantopinibl5736 thanks 👍
I don't believe his story about making old town road. He definitely got that made in a professional studio with help from a team
You might be right. The vocal production on that song definitely sounded like it was professionally recorded and mixed in an actual studio and not in someone's bedroom lol.
It’s not exactly an advanced song, I can see a teen making something like that within a month.
@@elictricks_OO I just don't believe it was organically brought to the audience. Sure he could have made that himself, but not long after that he blew up and had Billy Ray on the collab. It just feels like a studio brought his fame to be
@@elictricks_OO I just don't believe it was organically brought to the audience. Sure he could have made that himself, but not long after that he blew up and had Billy Ray on the collab. It just feels like a studio brought his fame to be
@@elictricks_OOMan be quiet 🙄he definitely had ghost writers on that song and whole team to help make it what it was.
He literally does the opposite of bringing people together lol
Yeah, it is almost as disgusting as how many black people instantly resort to the same dog-whistling about homophobia as the racist white people dog-whistle about their racism... gross..
People like Lizzo, Gaga, Pink and Lil Nas love saying that phrase. Someone should explain to them what it means lol
@@timberwolfmountaineer873 Right after someone explains to you what the words "majority" and "democracy" mean
Bro went from loving the devil to loving jesus💀💀
no, he is trolling religious people because it's funny and religious people have been harming others for a long time
1. it's not funny 2. religious people haven't been hurting people for a long time.@@twiztidsidfreak13
how so?@@twiztidsidfreak13
@@twiztidsidfreak13😡😡😡I’m so mad an absolute nobody had to make a controversial song to stay relevant instead of making actual good music
what????@@twiztidsidfreak13
He should just make fun music without using any religion or anything that can be interpreted as mockery
Then nobody would care
@@HandleName1000 it was true when Tony said it and it’s true now🙏🏾
@@elictricks_OO background check? Dweeb ass boy ain’t no need using demonic imagery is fucked up. There is several articles and tweets about how weird and fruity Carti and Sam Smith have become.
He is already making his next record, in the music video he will stick a Grammy award up his ass while singing falsetto
But then no one would listen to his music, because it's just not that good. He's told by his label to do what every mediocre "shock value" shill does: flirt with satanism and mock Christianity to sell more records to easily impressionable LGBT supporters. Welcome to capitalism.
honestly, if i spent two decades of life extremely closeted due to Christianity and then I suddenly got FILTHY amounts of fame, I'd probably be actin' JUST as wild coming out of the closet.
No u wouldn’t
Still rude as shit
@@elictricks_OO what about Muslims they do it does that justify hatred
Yes@@Nirm814
@@Nirm814 they do what? Abuse their kids for existing? If so, yes. That warrants hatred from those kids.
He’s rage bait I just ignore him
Same
Bro has laid his foundation on clout, and now that he's quit it, his next project will flop.
Personally, I think the controversy is all he has. He's not talented enough to just present straightforward music.
industry baby, now go cry about you being objectively wrong.
@@amazingmrpig6369 I’m not a cryer. Hope that hurts
calm down fan@@amazingmrpig6369
He can sing, rap and write. What other talent do you need?
He is talented, he just acts like he can’t make good music
As a Christian I don’t think his recent stuff was that controversial, Christian’s know he is doing a disservice to no one but himself
☝️🤓
@@Nanomachinesson-bb9vf your cringe
@@dugdvso are you. So is the original post.
its the way the others reacted to it. its obvious christian rage bait and easy way to get money. See that line in the interview he did? He "has nothing against christianity, its just boring af." Best thing to do is to ignore and they did the opposite
@@yahyahyor 100% I fell for the rage baiting with montero untill I watched a pastor on here who told us that we have nothing to be angry about, this is a dark world with dark people and God already warned us. These people don’t even realise the fire they are playing with and that’s their business, all we can do as Christians is pray for them, but since that video I never felt for religion bait again and I feel so much more at peace. I’m not the best with putting my words together but hope I explained it well, I also wish I could find the pastors video I watched it was really good and changed my perspective but I can’t remember his name.
Music is all marketing. Everything that goes in to big album drops and internet personas are pretty insane, and labels control all of it.
Name, one other artist, mocking a religion to sell music? And if he’s doing it for the right reasons, then why isn’t he going after Islam and every other religion that doesn’t like gay people? Why just Christianity?
@@ChinoHills-qt4xc Pretty aggressive lol. Carti is a perfect example, that whole persona didn’t have to do shit with him. People really think that artists have control over what they do lmao, it’s a life contract.
@@waux a life contract wtf the fuck are you on? You talking about that illuminati bullshit? My point stands this is the most egregious & distasteful form of marketing music that has ever been done.
@@ChinoHills-qt4xc this has been done many, many times in the entertainment industry.... Christianity is engraved in western culture much more than any other religion, and the satanic imagery is just a very easy way to make an already big artist controversial, just enough to get people riled up , but not too much that the artist would end up being taxed as racist or antisemitic (which could easily happen with someone going after Judaism or islam).
@@rooxg you said a bunch of nothing, and that dweeb Nas has already been labeled a controversial figure. No other artist gave the Devil a lap dance. His last gimmick flopped and it’s only downhill from here. Normally when people pull gimmicks it HELPS sell the music ! But you only know about his music because of the controversy, HE NEEDS IT.
Would’ve been so much more of a shock value if he just realized a much more introspective album than his previous and just deliver good songs with no controversy
Watching the video, I see that the title is actually posing a question rather than making a statement. 🤔I'd say the answer is "yes," assuming Lil Nas X is willing and can still produce hit-worthy music. Personally, I believe Lil Nas X's past hits consists of music good enough to speak for itself, and those songs could've had similar popularity with an aggressive marketing strategy sans any trolling or forced controversy. Panini and Industry Baby are a good example of this, with the latter being 6X platinum and having 1.9B streams on Spotify alone, making it his most streamed song on the platform. This also means that Industry Baby outperformed Montero, which was previously Lil Nas X's most controversial song. It's also interesting that Industry Baby reached 6X platinum within 17 months, while Montero needed 19 to reach the same milestone.
Real
The irony is that he avoided becoming a one-hit wonder by becoming a one-trick pony.
@@mariokarter13 man this is too sad after “One of me”. Well, he’s got a whole album releasing so it’s too late to judge, and he only did the Christian shit twice.
@@mariokarter13he does anything else and nobody cares so that’s literally his only option
Hadn't stopped to listen to the new Nas X song until after watching this video. I think the Jesus Christ marketing might just be more polarizing because the last real big one was the "Devil worshipping" (though like he explained it wasn't that at all) of the "Montero" rollout. I feel like instead of the Jesus-imagery, Nas X could've made the marketing themed around Michael Jordan's comeback the first time with the Bulls. Had a whole skit around the infamous fax as the first announcement of new music. The video could be catered around moments from The Last Dance, like Rodman's vacation to Vegas, the flu game, and even do a Space Jam parody where he's playing against the Devil still, but make it so it's more like the Mon-stars. Idk, this was just the thought that came to mind after watching the videos.
i have a new idea for a music video. lets dress up as allah and mock islam? great idea no?
He was not apologizing. It’s ALL part of him trolling. He made a video because nobody cared.
Thank you meatyballz, very cool!
THAT ROBLOX CONCERT WAS SO GOOFY ME AND MY FRIEND SAW IT WAS SO GLITCHY 😭
i mean the servers were overloaded by the amount of players so thats y it was laggy
@@ellamartintsova5615 Ik it was still funny though because the texture on lil nas x was gone and he was grey and everyone was teleporting
@@a1ourqa fax
Fun Fact: Roblox RUclipsr Flamingo did a raid that day (which was completely unrelated to the concert) which indirectly caused issues with the Lil Nas X concert.
@@doesthisIookinfected I THINK I REMEMBER TJAT
Todd in the Shadows said something in his video on Katy Perry's WITNESS album about his theory of there being two types of pop stars. According to him, there are the musicians that have the constant persona and following that'll stick with them through everything and keep up with every release (such as Jay-Z, Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Lady GaGa, The Weeknd, and so on), and the type that are more flash-in-the-pan and go away once their hits dry up (such as Nelly, Marilyn Manson, Paula Abdul, and so on). While he said there are some artists who sorta straddle the line between the two types, in that they lean towards the second type but may go closer to the first if they keep having hits (like Bruno Mars and Dua Lipa), I'm now wondering if Lil Nas X is starting to lean towards the second type in this case. If his new set of songs are starting to flop, maybe he will slowly become irrelevant once his hits dry up.
i relly like your vids mattyballz. keep up the good work
fr, he’s underrated asf. ballz to the wall🙌🏾
I was never exposed to the Lil Nas X controversy or his rollouts and I’m glad, I liked a few of his songs and saw him live which made me a fan, Great performance. The problem with the new track is that, for starters I can not for the life of me remember it at all and I’ve heard it atleast 6 times. I remember that it is humble by Kendrick Lamar though and something about the structure being very separate between sections. People definitely don’t want the controversy, we do want good music in however form that may be.
so glad u made a video on him ! love lil nas, it’s nice to see a video specifically about him
I really do adore Lil Nas X and I do think if he dropped the shock factor stunts we’ve seen before, he could have a better career in music
Nas is so fake & it's so obvious.
That "apology" was full of shxx 🙄
No matter what he does you will get mad at him. He makes chill music and you will get mad at him for “trying to change”
@@Jarrad_utft no, not really.
He just used what the stigma around metal/industrial was in the 80’s, and made it work for the 2020 masses…. And he is based for that.
He's not based at all. He's a Troll who is slowly falling g off and is desperate for attention. 😂
Yeah but the difference is he did it in a corny way and his music is not that good
Using controversy for marketing because the music cant stand on its on is certainly not "based".
@@PoppyCocks imagine bringing politics into this 🤡🫵
Edit: no need to delete your pitiful Reddit-fueled comment out of shame. Your first amendment rights are respected here, kiddo
Based?? You and the people that liked you’re comment is exactly why we have trash music all through this generation no talent anymore just straight garbage.
Dude ripped off 3 three different rappers with his name.
Lil Wayne, Lil Jon, and Lil Bow Wow?
Lil Wayne, Nas & DMX lol
@@glockwraith Bingo
Without a doubt he needs controversy, a lot of people don’t even remember him, of course his fans will say he don’t need it but since ge keeps doing it, it shows he needs it
Dude is freaking talented. I think he could’ve blown up without the antics. If he had a little patience, he could’ve gotten famous based on his talent alone. Antics are the cheap way to become successful.
He DID a low up without the antics.. THREE TIMES. Idk why he’s doing it even after Old town road Panini and Industry baby, it’s clear people like his music that’s just good music more.
"could've" is the key word. If your music is good but mediocre - keep ramping up that gay and "controversy" factor. Chase clout by messing with Christians. Safe bet shock value.
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His music still goes platinum in my house. I dont pay much attention to his antics outside of the music he drops and ive been having a great time. Lean on my body has been on repeat the past few days.
It's always interesting when two different groups that are traditionally against eachother, teamup to dunk on something
Still can't believe bro got a career off off trolling lol
I don't want to be homophobic, but it's just that lil nas x just be taking his stuff too far, i can't be the only one who thinks that☹️
Most of his hate is because he’s gay, pretty much it
You're not but I know me personally if I don't like something. I try not to give it the time of day
That croc promo had me though 😂😂😂
There's a difference between trolling and disrespect. 😅
He needs to admit that he is flopped right now.
*Little Sweet Love - Lil Nas X
feat.P Diddy
Gayest song ever
Eventually like Tekashi69 his fans will grow up and he will be irrelevant. With no legacy and wasted potential.
The craziest part about all of this is that if it were any other religion there would be outrage. If he dressed up as Buddha or mocked the Hindu culture he would be immediately called out. So why is it ok to mock Christianity especially when it is not the only religion in the world that is against same sex anything? I’m not saying these ideals are ok but I do think the hypocrisy is very loud and obnoxious. Doing something you know has offended millions of people in the past is not “art” it’s just simply offensive. Mocking something people dedicate their lives to believing and fulfilling is not edgy, it’s just mean regardless of the religion it’s being aimed towards.
You can’t say “if it was any other religion there would be outrage”, when there is outrage. You don’t need to make comparison of or imagine outrage from other religions when there’s already outrage when it’s about Christianity
Christianity is more imbued with hate filled believers, that’s an objective fact. Watch moral Orel brah.
@@hiltomi1759Man stfu his comment still stands. 🙄🤦🏽♀️
It means that people take Hinduism, Bhuddism and other religious more seriously
You had me at satanic panic 😂
Oliver Tree v. Lil Nas X for best marketer
His songs are literally my daily jam
I love lil nas x he is very talented but the controversy got him
Weirdos
His album really is excellent
The Death Note background music/piano makes the video more suspenseful. Good choice 😉
Thank you,I never cared about rap past the 2000's
15:08 When he said that I could feel how heavy he felt that, when he said im not just some demon guy that was some heavy shit man
Glad he's really changing it around with the nassarati 2 releases, he's really starting to lean into his artistry instead of the shock factor, his newer releases have been straight fire 🔥🔥🔥
15:15 He gained respect for this apology, from me atleast. Seemed really genuine. While I am a Catholic, and choose to live my life based on Catholic values, I understand that some hard core Christian’s views on gays can cause Gay people to dislike Christian’s. Understandable I think. He could hate on Christian’s and mock them, yet here it seems like he really does respect everyone, no matter who they are or what values they choose to live by. I’ll give him another shot!
So naive! Open your eyes.
Is nobody going to talk about the fact that the beat of Old Town Road (which he bought) isn’t even original, but a sample of Nine Inch Nails’ 34 Ghosts IV? The intro’s are identical.
Darn, almost like the whole industry doesn’t use samples. Like homie nothing on earth is original, and so many use samples, that’s not anything new
He mentions it in his documentary.
So you've never heard of sampling? What a stupid take
@@hiltomi1759Lol most of the old schools didn’t use sample because they were the original so cut BS the generation in particular can’t survive without sample music from the older generation it is what it is.
@@babygirla5717 brotha i hate to break it to you but og rappers was almost exclusively using sample beats. thats like what boom bap beats is known for .
In short: Lil Nas X only makes music where he says hes gay and he tries so much to have people be mad at him
Any video on doja cat in future?
7:01 Lil Nas X is doing what black metal bands have been trying to do since its inception its great lmao
lil nas , 69 , and Kanye all the all have the same marketing tactic
Nahh kanyes a legend
he jus tryna be kanye
@@NathanDaledingle thats not even what i said
Oh
Yeah I didn’t know every single person in history that rised with controversy is trying to be kanhe
Calling the 3rd chapter “Can he last?” Is bonkers bro 😂😂😂
I need Matty to survive
Hey negativity is what drives clicks and it’s been that way for years.
The novelty will wear off. I never hear anything about him apart from another attention seeking antic
I just listened to a few of his new singles and they are 🔥
When the album drops it’s going to do just fine
ballz🥶
He just needs those sweet tunes, nothing else!
Bro made a career copying lil Tracy
Im 47, so i honestly have never paid attention to him nor listened to his music, but it's videos like this from this generation that give me more context on why folks paid attention to him.
I don't think Lil Nas X will actually be bothered too much if he drops out of the spotlight due to people getting bored of his marketing/courting of controversy. He's had his time in the spotlight, and the success he got before he took his hiatus has definitely earned him enough money to set himself up for life. It seems like he's just chasing bonus achievements at this point in his career.
He posted a couple new tracks on his RUclips channel kinda announcing a new era. And all i gotta say is that it's very promising. The songwriting is better than any previous stuff. So i don't think he's flopping, he's just been in a hiatus and he's coming back with even better ideas.
WAIT WHEN DID THE DISLIKES ## COME BACK 11:00
he prolly got a chrome extension
His music isn’t that bad but when artist do a lot of stuff for attention they fall off faster look at lil b
lil b? fell off? he’s literally a legend and godfather of this internet rap shit bro😭
@@_yeahyeah yes I know even I been inspired by him I was stating facts some people don’t talk about his music anymore and he paved the way
@@mgofficial5470 ohh ok
Industry plant
Personal speaking he's music is not bad
He is now experimenting new styles. He recently collabed with Kevin Abstract that probably nobody knows about.
Can't wait until he releases J Muhammed
will never happen, making fun of any other religion thats not christianity is hate speech + muslims believe that anyone who blasphemes them deserves death (actually in the quran [Surah 9:5]) so that definitely would not go over well.
He's not Muslim, why would he make that?
You Christians really want to see other religions being mocked,huh? Doesn't the Bible tell yall to do unto others what you would want to be done onto you? If you get upset at seeing Jesus mocked, why would you want to see other people's religions mocked?
He stole his whole swag from Lil Tracy at the beginning
deadass the media overexacurated the j christ video so much i love lil nas x and i'm hyped for his new album
He did that ish cause his song flopped that’s why
Straight up one hit wonder too me his other music only got plays and views bc of the controversy he was causing , fans and haters have different views on the music but give equal revenue let’s not forget also it shows obviously he’s not talented enough to make a song solely off of talent every songs has something controversial about it and its not even being controversial to send a message it’s just for clicks and listens
Even his fucking name is a mashup of a bunch of past rappers
Lil Wayne had cover art too on a cross on a mixtape that never released (the drought is over 7) u can still google the pic
I dont think thats the case, his music is insanelly catchy and pretty good which I think is enough to stay relevant
Honestly he has bangers, but his sound is way too repetitive. Specially with the two new singles... It just sounds like MONTERO scraps.
No
I agree he’s amazing and people do clearly care about him. People just need to stop expecting him to always release hits as huge as Old town road all the time.
I wish Robert Townsend would come back with more films. I miss his work and I respect what he stands for as a person. As long as you are alive; it is still your time. ❤
the crocs skit was hilarious.
Is music good on its own, however the controversy does help.
" i saw one of these country/trapish songs online...." dude copied lil tracy and uzis song Like A Farmer. smh he has like no flow and cant rhyme great. hes not musically talented at all. sometimes it just seems like he just rides his sexuality, which sometimes seems fake too.
Nothing he says comes off as genuine
Those Nas x Nike AM97 were dope! 😅
Personally I view Lil Nas X path similar to Tyler The Creator the only chance he has to maintain his relevancy is to ditch the controversy and home in on his musical craft and develop as an Artist,He really needs his "Sunflower Boy" to keep him on relevent or he will just die in popularity as a fleeting memory of short term controversy
imo the song just aint that good. i like nas music, he got some bangers. he just need to come back with another hit. also i think he shouldnt have apologized, it didnt do him any good😂
Honestly I really like Lil Nas X, I never really payed much attention to the controversy. I just dove into the MONTERO album and it's a solid album. I hope he doesn't keep up the controversies tbh, and if he's not number i won't care, I'll still be listening if the music is good.
I hear J Christ, and I honestly just hear Humble by Kendrick Lamar and am reminded of a much better song.
Babe wake up mattyballz posted
This is old
And cringe @@c0rxpseb0i13
@@HandleName1000 yeah a little 🤷🏽♂️
My issue with him was the fact that he made such a drastic change when a had a pretty massive young audience
This man genuinely has talent, if y'all ever listened to sun goes down, or where do we go now, he has some real talent. His controversial tactics are just dragging him down