There wasn’t a case of BSE (Mad Cow) that jumped the species barrier to humans, until there was. And thousands of cases followed. So to say that CWD is not a concern because there hasn’t been a case of it jumping the species barrier is absurd.
In Minnesota, every wild CWD case since 2013 (when this video came out) has stemmed from deer farms. So obviously there's a pretty direct correlation between deer farms and the spread of CWD, whether it was "created" there or not is besides the point when clearly the farms are the main catalyst of the disease. It blows my mind how Keith and others in this video dismiss this, deer farmers SHOULD be held responsible for this spread. As a hunter, I believe high fence deer farms are awful. Whitetails were meant to be wild and hunted as so (not to be "owned" by a land owner). Whitetails are not cattle.
Well, someone removed their previous comments. FYI, for those interested, I contacted the Colorado Division of Wildlife to speak with Dr. Mike Miller hoping to have him as a guest. Spoke with his office several times trying to make this happen, he never contacted me back. Also, QDMA had an opportunity to be on the documentary as well, but they declined.
There is a lot of misinformation in this video. Like “cwd is not always fatal” WRONG. Cwd is 100 percent fatal if the deer doesn’t die from something else first. That’s the only reason they can say that and get away with it
mdslax 01 i think what he meant to say is that almost all of the deer that have cwd do not end up dying from it. For the most part The disease just doesnt degrade the deer enough to kill them before something else. Deer in captivity with cwd were observed and it took most of the deer 5-8 years to die from it. The average life span of a wild whitetail deer is 4.5 years. Hypothetically, If there was a disease that humans would die from if they lived to be 130 years old do you think it would be an urgent issue?
Would CWD keep popping up if the deer breeding industry did not exist? It's ignorant to think that the trafficking of deer via the breeding industry has not influenced the spread of CWD in some way. Even if CWD does occur in low prevalence, does the financial gain of a few breeders justify spreading this disease into new areas, especially since it cannot be eradicated once established? Also, wildlife is not "private property." Wild animals are held in trust by the government for the people.
I had to watch this. I got a draw tag for deer in CFB Camp Wainwright Alberta. They do mandatory testing for CWD. My Mule deer doe tested positive. Just got the call today.
I really appreciate this. There's a man with a huge following that is scaring people all the time on his podcast. He thinks that hes on the right side of history; he cares for people. Hes just wrong though.
Hi Keith, I just watched the video on cwd that was posted in 2013, and my question is have you done an update video since then or is their any new information now in 2019 about cwd ?
Good information Keith. It was interesting to see another side of the conversation. It's good to see the results of their previous efforts to contain CWD and their desire to control private land owners. The state parks moving infected Elk herds was eye opening. I hope they allow testing with the non-lethal test. Too many HEALTHY deer have died while trying to find a few sick ones.
This is an extremely fascinating topic and I greatly appreciate your input. I believe it's important to listen to everybody, regardless of my own opinions, to reach an objective conclusion on an issue. While I personally am not a fan of hunting, I understand that it's not my right to dictate what another person does, so long as poaching endangered species is not involved (which is obviously not the case with deer and elk). I do not appreciate the government infringing citizens' rights and lying to us about it.
Not that I'm too concerned with CWD right now, I do think it's convenient that someone who owns a deer farm puts out a video saying deer farms are not to blame and this is just a big scare. Seems like $$ at work
Lindsay Thomas Jr just wrote In the Aug/Sep issue of #Quality #Whitetails reason 7. "Iowa County, the percentage of adult bucks with CWD has climbed from 33 percent in 2012 to more than 40 percent" #HawgTV
Keith, I write a column for the Jackson Hole News and Guide weekly called Cowboy Common Sense. My column printed Dec 30, 2015 was about how CWD was a "Bogeyman" disease. www.jhnewsandguide.com/opinion/columnists/cowboy_common_sense/on-elk-feedgrounds-the-bogeyman-stalks/article_fa53bc9f-fcee-59d9-afbf-26cce0bfedd8.html#user-comment-area You may enjoy reading it. However, you also need to contact Justin Binfet of the Casper Wyoming Game and Fish Office. He says the infection rate among mule deer south of Casper is 40% CWD and they are VERY concerned about that herd. But you are correct in that the Laramie Peak/Muddy Mountain elk herd has grown by 400% with CWD infection (average 4.8% over 30 years).
Craig Dougherty wrote an article (with an extensive pictorial) in "OutdoorLife Magazine", entitled: "Freak Show Bucks: A Hard Look At Breeding For Antlers". I'd be interested in gaining some perspectives from those who are knowledgeable on the subject.
Great objective synopsis of the data Keith. Outstanding job of cutting through the fog and the hype. This video is provocative as well as informative and represents an important contribution to the ongoing dialog that has smart deer folks everywhere paying attention. As a private land owner, a deer breeder and a lover of the whitetail, I thank you.
North Alabama near the top tip of Mississippi are cwd zones of concern with mandatory testing it’s only a matter of time it gets to our property! I figured they would have like signed or symptoms I’m a Nurisng student and went to Texas A&M and pretty sad that this video isn’t educational at all maybe because it’s 9 years old. Make sure you check your zones to see if deer are possibly infected so that you can tested there are testing sites in those areas. Mines in outdoor Alabama
This did not age well. However, I do agree that it originated at Colorado State University. The deer farms may not have CREATED it, but they definitely helped SPREAD it. It has certainly become an issue today, and it IS decimating deer populations across the country. This video is a bunch of deer farmers pointing fingers and downplaying the whole disease, which has now become an epidemic. This barely mentions EHD (epizootic hemorrhagic disease) or blue tongue, which has also increased dramatically in deer populations.
It could actually have been deer breeders. Our farming practices are atrocious. Just ask the chicken farmers. It’s stupid to blame either or. But what is not stupid. Is to Identify places and practices that are vulnerable and need to be adjusted.
Friday, July 01, 2016 TEXAS Thirteen new cases of chronic wasting disease (CWD) were confirmed at a Medina County captive white-tailed deer breeding facility on June 29, 2016 chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2016/07/texas-thirteen-new-cases-of-chronic.html
I watched an episode of the Netflix series "Longmire" that dealt with CWD. A Chinese chemist was making a sports supplement out of Elk horn silk and elk pancreas that caused CWD in humans over time. Elk were being shot out of season to obtain the ingredients. It was the first time I ever heard of CWD. Very interesting.
WI data can be found on the WDNR website, keyword CWD. The core area has high prev. rates, but not there are higher rates too there. Of course, prevalence rates area matter if scale, the smaller the area in a high prevalence foci, the higher the prev. rate.
There will also be some research coming out of WY at some point later this year (we think) that will look at the CWD issue. WY itself does not release prevalence data publicly on a regular basis.
I read cwd may have been produced by scrapies. It most likely originated at Colorado State University, that began performing tests in 1967 with scrapies, then noticed their deer were mysteriously dying.
@@ElysetheEevee yes, I felt like sharing my findings on the subject. That is what I read about it and it appears to be a valid point for one of the possible origins of the disease. He said that it either originated at Colorado State University or in the wild. 8:37
Although I am opposed to game animal farming because I believe that it is an affront to fair chase hunting, I think that if consumers are advised of the possibility, small as it can be, of contamination I am ok with it. But as with the food industry, whenever there is a possibility of exposure to humans severe measures are taken.
Try the grass paragis in the philippines u can feed it the whole grass or boil it and let it cool and feed it the water u boiled with the grass paragis its a type of herb
This is possible the the worst information on cwd I've seen from suspect people .. more a video of deer farmers worried about there future .. lol political disease you guys are kidding right ?
I myself hunt in Southeast MN on a 200 acres on private land. been hunt there for ages and have deers coming alot. Now this year 2017, we got a cwd on the border where hunt. there are no deer coming around like before. As us hunter it hurts to see this cwd or sharp shooter shooting animal to waste.
This sounds like asian carp and the emerald ash borer in the sense that there;s nothing to be done about this but I'm also puzzled because there doesn't seem to be evidence that CWD is going to destroy the deer herd. Here in Michigan we have a few cases. I don't hunt, my problem with the deer is there are so many that driving at night is extreemly risky. Deer car accidents here cost $100 million per year and the hunters pay none of that in their iicense fees. I wish the deer were not managed by the state unless the hunters want to reimburse the insurance company claims. If not then let private landowners manage as they think best. I beieve the result of private land owner management would be fewer deer but more big bucks, the way things should be anyway. BTW, I don't hunt.
I find it off putting that you could raise deer and then go kill them. It's like having a dog and being able to turn around and shoot a bunch of them with no effect or care towards them.
By the way Jim, I see you are using that BS degree in wildlife biology. Call me sometime and we can talk openly and my number is not hard to find. I know getting your information from QDMA would never make you biased. Did you ever wonder if then sky wasn't falling if Brian would still have a job there. You don't think he would create that do you.
There wasn’t a case of BSE (Mad Cow) that jumped the species barrier to humans, until there was. And thousands of cases followed. So to say that CWD is not a concern because there hasn’t been a case of it jumping the species barrier is absurd.
Got suspicious when 50% of experts were wearing bolo ties.
In Minnesota, every wild CWD case since 2013 (when this video came out) has stemmed from deer farms. So obviously there's a pretty direct correlation between deer farms and the spread of CWD, whether it was "created" there or not is besides the point when clearly the farms are the main catalyst of the disease. It blows my mind how Keith and others in this video dismiss this, deer farmers SHOULD be held responsible for this spread. As a hunter, I believe high fence deer farms are awful. Whitetails were meant to be wild and hunted as so (not to be "owned" by a land owner). Whitetails are not cattle.
True, they may not have CREATED it but they definitely helped SPREAD it.
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Well, someone removed their previous comments. FYI, for those interested, I contacted the Colorado Division of Wildlife to speak with Dr. Mike Miller hoping to have him as a guest. Spoke with his office several times trying to make this happen, he never contacted me back. Also, QDMA had an opportunity to be on the documentary as well, but they declined.
Would have been nice to see real facts rather than a proponent commercial for deer farming.
Arrrgonot * how do you know these aren’t real facts? I mean if you already know the “real” facts why are you even wasting your time on this video!
There is a lot of misinformation in this video. Like “cwd is not always fatal” WRONG. Cwd is 100 percent fatal if the deer doesn’t die from something else first. That’s the only reason they can say that and get away with it
@@mdslax0172 How do you know it's always fatal ?
mdslax 01 i think what he meant to say is that almost all of the deer that have cwd do not end up dying from it. For the most part The disease just doesnt degrade the deer enough to kill them before something else. Deer in captivity with cwd were observed and it took most of the deer 5-8 years to die from it. The average life span of a wild whitetail deer is 4.5 years. Hypothetically, If there was a disease that humans would die from if they lived to be 130 years old do you think it would be an urgent issue?
Dale Catterton it’s on the CDCs website
Would CWD keep popping up if the deer breeding industry did not exist? It's ignorant to think that the trafficking of deer via the breeding industry has not influenced the spread of CWD in some way. Even if CWD does occur in low prevalence, does the financial gain of a few breeders justify spreading this disease into new areas, especially since it cannot be eradicated once established? Also, wildlife is not "private property." Wild animals are held in trust by the government for the people.
Perfect thing to watch at 3AM
I had to watch this. I got a draw tag for deer in CFB Camp Wainwright Alberta. They do mandatory testing for CWD. My Mule deer doe tested positive. Just got the call today.
Mike Hunter supposedly it might be transmittable to humans
Did you get to keep the meat?
Brandon Vill yuck yuck why even take the risk? Holes in the brain? I would nope out of that real quick
Awesome!
I really appreciate this. There's a man with a huge following that is scaring people all the time on his podcast. He thinks that hes on the right side of history; he cares for people. Hes just wrong though.
Hi Keith, I just watched the video on cwd that was posted in 2013, and my question is have you done an update video since then or is their any new information now in 2019 about cwd ?
5 years later and now look
This isn't about CWD at all, it's just propaganda
Good information Keith. It was interesting to see another side of the conversation. It's good to see the results of their previous efforts to contain CWD and their desire to control private land owners. The state parks moving infected Elk herds was eye opening. I hope they allow testing with the non-lethal test. Too many HEALTHY deer have died while trying to find a few sick ones.
This is an extremely fascinating topic and I greatly appreciate your input. I believe it's important to listen to everybody, regardless of my own opinions, to reach an objective conclusion on an issue. While I personally am not a fan of hunting, I understand that it's not my right to dictate what another person does, so long as poaching endangered species is not involved (which is obviously not the case with deer and elk). I do not appreciate the government infringing citizens' rights and lying to us about it.
They want you to rely on them. Why? So when they fail, we die. They won't die. That's the goal. Watch your back. Look into the Georgia guidestones.
That's basically what the government does is infringe on our rights!
Not that I'm too concerned with CWD right now, I do think it's convenient that someone who owns a deer farm puts out a video saying deer farms are not to blame and this is just a big scare. Seems like $$ at work
Like big tobacco in the 80s and 90s saying smoking doesn't cause cancer
Or perhaps a state agency with a political agenda against an entire segment of hunters and outdoorsmen?
The agenda is to stop the spread of cwd.
Just remember the same people fear mongering you about cwd are the ones who approve Coca Cola and cigarettes
The agenda is not always as obvious as it appears.
Lindsay Thomas Jr just wrote In the Aug/Sep issue of #Quality #Whitetails reason 7. "Iowa County, the percentage of adult bucks with CWD has climbed from 33 percent in 2012 to more than 40 percent" #HawgTV
interesting video, very informative, finding it hard to find any videos of a deer or elk with the actual disease and how their behaviour is.
Anyone in this video not a deer farmer? Lol
Keith, I write a column for the Jackson Hole News and Guide weekly called Cowboy Common Sense. My column printed Dec 30, 2015 was about how CWD was a "Bogeyman" disease. www.jhnewsandguide.com/opinion/columnists/cowboy_common_sense/on-elk-feedgrounds-the-bogeyman-stalks/article_fa53bc9f-fcee-59d9-afbf-26cce0bfedd8.html#user-comment-area You may enjoy reading it. However, you also need to contact Justin Binfet of the Casper Wyoming Game and Fish Office. He says the infection rate among mule deer south of Casper is 40% CWD and they are VERY concerned about that herd. But you are correct in that the Laramie Peak/Muddy Mountain elk herd has grown by 400% with CWD infection (average 4.8% over 30 years).
Finally, the CWD alliance website is a clearing house for CWD info in NA.
I fully and totally agree with this. Makes me sick
Craig Dougherty wrote an article (with an extensive pictorial) in "OutdoorLife Magazine", entitled:
"Freak Show Bucks: A Hard Look At Breeding For Antlers".
I'd be interested in gaining some perspectives from those who are knowledgeable on the subject.
The love of money is the roots of all evils
At least u quoted it right
Great objective synopsis of the data Keith. Outstanding job of cutting through the fog and the hype. This video is provocative as well as informative and represents an important contribution to the ongoing dialog that has smart deer folks everywhere paying attention. As a private land owner, a deer breeder and a lover of the whitetail, I thank you.
North Alabama near the top tip of Mississippi are cwd zones of concern with mandatory testing it’s only a matter of time it gets to our property! I figured they would have like signed or symptoms I’m a Nurisng student and went to Texas A&M and pretty sad that this video isn’t educational at all maybe because it’s 9 years old. Make sure you check your zones to see if deer are possibly infected so that you can tested there are testing sites in those areas. Mines in outdoor Alabama
This did not age well. However, I do agree that it originated at Colorado State University. The deer farms may not have CREATED it, but they definitely helped SPREAD it. It has certainly become an issue today, and it IS decimating deer populations across the country. This video is a bunch of deer farmers pointing fingers and downplaying the whole disease, which has now become an epidemic. This barely mentions EHD (epizootic hemorrhagic disease) or blue tongue, which has also increased dramatically in deer populations.
It could actually have been deer breeders. Our farming practices are atrocious. Just ask the chicken farmers. It’s stupid to blame either or. But what is not stupid. Is to Identify places and practices that are vulnerable and need to be adjusted.
Great episode Keith
I just watched this video.
Friday, July 01, 2016
TEXAS Thirteen new cases of chronic wasting disease (CWD) were confirmed at
a Medina County captive white-tailed deer breeding facility on June 29,
2016
chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2016/07/texas-thirteen-new-cases-of-chronic.html
I watched an episode of the Netflix series "Longmire" that dealt with CWD. A Chinese chemist was making a sports supplement out of Elk horn silk and elk pancreas that caused CWD in humans over time. Elk were being shot out of season to obtain the ingredients. It was the first time I ever heard of CWD. Very interesting.
+Alan Lee
chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2009/03/chronic-wasting-disease-prions-in-elk.html
WI data can be found on the WDNR website, keyword CWD. The core area has high prev. rates, but not there are higher rates too there. Of course, prevalence rates area matter if scale, the smaller the area in a high prevalence foci, the higher the prev. rate.
There will also be some research coming out of WY at some point later this year (we think) that will look at the CWD issue. WY itself does not release prevalence data publicly on a regular basis.
Yeah in Pennsylvania there might of only been 0.1% but in other states that percentage might be way higher.
timcondict hit the nail on the head about CSU!!!!!!!!!!!!
I read cwd may have been produced by scrapies. It most likely originated at Colorado State University, that began performing tests in 1967 with scrapies, then noticed their deer were mysteriously dying.
I guess you didn't watch the first few minutes of the video lol.
@@ElysetheEevee yes, I felt like sharing my findings on the subject. That is what I read about it and it appears to be a valid point for one of the possible origins of the disease. He said that it either originated at Colorado State University or in the wild. 8:37
Also, knowcwd.com has some good info (if a little outdated), and a video from wildlife professionals that actually work on CWD.
Although I am opposed to game animal farming because I believe that it is an affront to fair chase hunting, I think that if consumers are advised of the possibility, small as it can be, of contamination I am ok with it. But as with the food industry, whenever there is a possibility of exposure to humans severe measures are taken.
Try the grass paragis in the philippines u can feed it the whole grass or boil it and let it cool and feed it the water u boiled with the grass paragis its a type of herb
Deer farmer , Isnt that someone who raised deer then charges An absurd amount of money for someone to shoot them while eating out of a corn pile?
great job keep up the good work Keith ,dont let them slaughter are game .
The music doesn't fit dude !! Wth !
goodbye deer
I'll only say one thing about this..piezoelectric compounds.
Ok, so I stopped watching after the first guy did not discern between proteins and prions...
#Excellent #information and consistent with my beliefs!
2024 - it has spread to mice
This is possible the the worst information on cwd I've seen from suspect people .. more a video of deer farmers worried about there future .. lol political disease you guys are kidding right ?
I myself hunt in Southeast MN on a 200 acres on private land. been hunt there for ages and have deers coming alot. Now this year 2017, we got a cwd on the border where hunt. there are no deer coming around like before. As us hunter it hurts to see this cwd or sharp shooter shooting animal to waste.
It all about the money.
ARE WE GONNA DIE BY THE ZOMBIE DEER!? 😭😭😭😭😭
This sounds like asian carp and the emerald ash borer in the sense that there;s nothing to be done about this but I'm also puzzled because there doesn't seem to be evidence that CWD is going to destroy the deer herd. Here in Michigan we have a few cases. I don't hunt, my problem with the deer is there are so many that driving at night is extreemly risky. Deer car accidents here cost $100 million per year and the hunters pay none of that in their iicense fees. I wish the deer were not managed by the state unless the hunters want to reimburse the insurance company claims. If not then let private landowners manage as they think best. I beieve the result of private land owner management would be fewer deer but more big bucks, the way things should be anyway. BTW, I don't hunt.
Government is and has gotten way to o big
This video should be removed.
Agreed
Simple. G. M. O.s
I find it off putting that you could raise deer and then go kill them. It's like having a dog and being able to turn around and shoot a bunch of them with no effect or care towards them.
more like cattle, goats, pigs, sheep, etc.... you know: farming
By the way Jim, I see you are using that BS degree in wildlife biology. Call me sometime and we can talk openly and my number is not hard to find. I know getting your information from QDMA would never make you biased. Did you ever wonder if then sky wasn't falling if Brian would still have a job there. You don't think he would create that do you.
is it just me or does he sound EXACTLY like Jeff Foxworthy?
So this is a propaganda video by deer farmers which have privatised wild life ... interesting
It's man made .
..
Humans interfering with wild deer populations caused epidemic of cwd