Aba Jumps On Stream To Push Back Against Destiny - Redpill Debate
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Aba from Aba and Preach jumps on stream to debate Destiny after listening to the dating panel ► • Leftists Get Into HEAT...
Date: 13 Jun, 2022
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CONTEXT VIDEO: Leftists Get Into HEATED Debate w/ Destiny On Dating Panel ►ruclips.net/video/Svpa3YVzW7E/видео.html
Destiny comes off as an obnoxious, extremely opinionated and self absorbed person that's in his own words: "hella cringe''.
Aba and Preach are basically normal people entering the online space and being baffled by how extreme people's opinions have gotten. Even Destiny leans very extreme compared to the average person and I'd consider him more normal in comparison to people like vaush or Hasan who would completely throw a normal reasonable person for a loop
Destiny is extreme compared to destiny and hasan? You mean to vaush and hasan?
@@sentinespi Yeah lmao. I meant vaush. Brain flub. Point still came across fine obviously
I mean when you’re in your 30’s and scared of guys wearing make up that’ll happen
Ich will you have to consider that the mainpoint of this topic is that's what I want to say is da die every Connor and Absolution
@@oldmate8886 Who is scared of guys wearing make up?
I unironically, unsarcastically love that Aba has absolutely no shame in saying when he doesn't understand a word.
This was a good conversation. I'd listen to these 3 do a podcast.
[Edit: "To me, the way he keeps qualifying his questions sounds like (...)"] He absolutely knows what they mean and purely asks in order to advertise himself as relatable to his audience. I'm sure it started as a genuine helpful habit to make it easier for people who feel alienated by big words to follow along. But at this point, it very clearly comes off as baiting for sympathy.
@@TheHadMatters Ehhhh I don't know about that. I listen to Aba and Preach pretty regularly, and they both make up and misuse words all the time. Aba is not the dude who is going to go through all that trouble to make himself look like something he ain't
@@SmilingDesperado Hm. Still seems strange to me the way he does it, and the specific words he did it for here. He seemed to have a pretty good idea of what was being talked about when descriptive versus prescriptive advice was brought up.
But you're right that he does it in a very unapologetic way, which is a good attitude to have for dealing with things you don't know - certainly better than trying to hide it. As long as it doesn't devolve into a criticism of precise/complex terminology purely out of spite and anti-elitism, it's beneficial for the conversation.
I also phrased myself a bit too confidently above. I wasn't trying to make it sound like a fact statement; I just edited it poorly and took out too much hedging. I just meant to say that that's what he sounded like because he always kept adding the suspiciously self-deprecating bits. Just didn't seem authentic, but it might just be how he talks.
@@TheHadMatters No problem, I get what you mean. And if you're not familiar with him, I understand how you could take it that way.
But yeah, I'm pretty confident that he was genuine. I listen to him regularly, and that's just how he is. I don't always agree with him, but he's probably one of the most genuine guys on YT as far as content creators goes.
He really is not out here trying to impress anybody, or please fans.
He says what he thinks, and he'll be the first person to tell people when he doesn't know or understand something. He's talked about this in the past, that he hates when people pretend like they know something when they don't. That there isn't any shame in just saying 'i dont know'
@@TheHadMatters you are being schizo, thinking aba is playing 4d chess in conversations
Dude aba is such an awesome person.
When he just straight up said, “hey, I don’t know what prescriptive means”
Rather than just pretending like he knew what was being said.
That says a lot about him as a person.
That he’s less intelligent than the average person?
@@Gen7486 shows just how intelligent you are homie
@@ericvazquez2225 literally makes no sense as I didn’t have to Google the word ‘prescriptive’ but ok Eric.
@@Gen7486 intelligence has nothing to do with the English language, that's solely based on memorization. Intelligence would be seeing the path mankind is heading down and knowing the outcome, or understanding that the Earth is a self sustaining planet and how that in itself is far more valuable than money or material possessions. You've a ways to go homie
@@Gen7486 you have issues you need to sort out
The way Destiny talks about sex reminds me of how hipsters talk about music
You havent done the "Mexican Halloween" ? I heard about this position on pitchfork 6 months ago
@@AUstudios that’s such old news. “Texas Spitroast” is the new rage.
@@gigachad3925 Did you know the largest sex organ is the mind? Me and my 20 mistresses achieve synchronicity through the power of belief. Meditation is the original sex swing
German chili dog playas...if you know, you know.
😂
Honestly though, if you look outside of the online world, *most* people are normal enough to want intimacy and sex. These debates are fun ofc, but realistically most people aren't that extreme
Destiny's entire view of sex and relationships is built upon his ego that refuses to realize it's more than 70% being carried by him being a big influencer. Aba and Preach aren't as egotistical as Destiny, so they can come at these kind of topics from a more normal person POV. To Destiny, you should have countless sexual experiences to have built up such "skill" that you know how to give every women you come across epic sex, so much so that you're always ready to give your guy friends a detailed explanation on why the sex was so good.
It's just weirdo shit built upon by someone like Destiny, who has money to not be terminally online, but still acts like someone who is.
@@ndt7379 what are the chances that some or most of the women Destiny sleeps with are also like the men he describes in that they think the sex with him is good because he’s like a famous/rich duder or whatever akin to guys enjoying sex because it’s with a hot chick.
Not saying I think this is absolutely true or anything but it also doesn’t feel implausible.
Disagree. There are a lot of men who express intimacy through sex and aren't good at other forms of intimacy. Glad you aren't one of them.
@@SDREHXC We can't know for sure, but I'd guess it's fairly even. Anyone who has watched Destiny and his vocational/event streams that involve meet ups should be aware at how open a lot of the people he hangs out with are about having occasional sex. Him and Melina have slept with a lot of them, some obvious by their interactions, others hard confirmations in their own words. Destiny just happens to be the one weirdo that wants to play it off as him being high tier at sex. He's the one dude feeding his ego in an influencer group of people who sleep around. You don't even hear Melina talk about it the way Destiny does, and she literally just sits on cam in a thigh revealing outfit to get free donations from guys.
Yes!!! Destiny and that debate a few days ago are ppl who live in the internet. No odea of what real life is
Erudite saying guys should use eyebrow filler proves that you should never get dating advice from women
Lmfao low key I'm starting to feel that way too🤣🤣🤣 like straight women don't even like openly bi men like that so imagine thinking as a man you know make up more then a women to some how hide it better then women LMFAO stop this she wild for saying that make up shit frfr 🤣🤣🤣🤣
She wants these men showing up to the first date looking like Leonid Brezhnev lol
@@arthurporter131 LMFAO she wants every man to show up lookingnlike Prince 😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣
@@overlord915 tbh having thicc dark eyebrows gives the whole face so much more expression. having shit eyebrows(lighter color) just looks like youre missing something on your face and it's also true that you get insanely more attractive if you would compare a person with it vs not. ive thought about testing it cuz i have blonde eyebrows but im not that bothered by it. but just imagine seeing girls without their filled eyebrows, they would instantly become less attractive, just by removing the eyebrow filler. so yeah she has a point tho, and yeah it feels weird af if men would starting using makeup xD
@@polypom8453 nah I do get that but hear Imma teach the men way to do thus cause trust me you'll start thinking about this you know how in some shows and movies when a guy is about to aprouch a girl sometime you might see the guy lick his thumb or finger then rub a cross his his eyebrows that's the old way of doing what she's talking about but you want to know the proper way to do it without the whole lick the finger thing my mom taught me this you either use moisturizer and rub it across or you can after you moisturize your face and it gets absorbed in you skin make sure you don't put too much on your face cause you will sweat it off and look like you been running a marathon lol but after that take a bit of Vaseline and lightly rub it cross the brow or you can do what I do which is I rub it up to raise the hairs then i do a swooping motion to follow how my bro is shaped and that brings your eyebrow hair closer to define it more and added with the fact you used moisturizer or Vaseline it boldens out the eyebrow so your natural hair colour stands out more plus your supposed to moisturize your whole face and behind your ear and ear itself but not every buddy knows that for me I think it might be a black thing but I thought everyone did this cause I know tons of people that do it but the make up thing tho nah that's a step to far plus it just damages your skin ever noticed how when girls that rock tons of makeup show you older pics of them on how they used to look and normally I find before the make up there brow stood out but after years of make up when they wash it off there brow looks non existent it's cause it's not healthy for the skin in general that's why some people say use Vaseline cause I remember it being used for a few things ashy lips and knees and elbows and for eyebrows when you got to put on something nice or you got a shy eyebrows and man I've seen men with those cause when they scratch there brow you see flakes come off them trust me it happens so it's important to keep up your skin and hair health its key
I actually super disagree with Destiny on the first point. I think he’s failing to realize people just have different standards for what “good” is. And i dont even necessarily agree with Aba or Euro that it is people enjoying the process of acquiring sex.
There are some people that genuinely prefer vanilla ice cream, or cheese pizza, or Star Wars 8. And to say “you couldn’t possibly be enjoying that thing because there is a better version of it” is incorrect.
Agreed, there is a better version, therefore if you settle for mediocrity, you deserve it
And I hope the two of you are happy 😖😭🫠
@@cat_and_cabbage4662 what’s ‘better’? More? More varied? If they enjoy something more than something else then surely that makes it better for them
True, Vanilla ice cream is my favorite and get I constantly roasted for it
@@finnmacmanus5723 I’m not going to attempt to even think what the first guy is saying, but generally society sets expectations for certain acts (I.e. what’s a work day, when we should eat our meals) but we don’t have a clear standard set for sex. Not to mention (at least in the US) sexual education isn’t clear or helpful, so as we know we can have a standard WITH variations allowed (just as you know lunch is usually 12:00pm but depending on how you feel it could be 1:45pm or 11:00am) with that being said don’t you think that maybe having standards might be helpful for not only men but women? And to be clear what I’m saying is that we can set a standard so that the people who are under informed learn concepts that could prove useful depending on the partner, without directly forcing people to a status quo.
This is why I like aba and preach usually these "debates" have people who have a high opinion of themselves at best at worst they believe themselves as these arbiters of truth, Aba on the other hand knows that everyone can't know everything and that their visions can be muddied thanks to the politcal echo chamber that exits, Destiny is not free from this but I honestly think Destiny is more down to earth than anyone from the other assholes in these "debates"
Half of these debaters are completely unhinged lunatics who sniff their own farts all day while banning everyone who even dares to ask fair questions. Honestly it's a low bar to set.
That's why I give Aba and Preach $5 a month.
You should use more punctuation.
He doesn’t really have anything interesting to say outside of pointing out current social norms
@@oldmate8886 True, but I’d rather someone have a deeper understanding on one subject matter and continues to gain a better understanding in said subject. Than a bunch of “intellectuals” who have tons of superficial knowledge in other areas, and pretend to act “all knowing” with their flawed systems.
If I had to choose a wingman; Destiny or Aba...Aba 100% of the time. Destiny comes off smug and full of hubris. The kinda dude who would sword fight with you, rather than pump you up.
Destiny as a wingman and no one's getting laid lmao
@@clintperez8874 LMAO.
Imagine Destiny is there in the room where you do the act telling you're not doing it right and constantly complaining.
@@bizznick444joe7 then when you ask what the problem is, he spouts a bunch of shit and then demands you prove him wrong.
why even have debates when we can just respect women in silence
Mensplaining.mp4 duckerZ
Oh my god yesssss.
_Yas Queen !_
Yes, let's respect women in prayer.
Women are allowed to believe in wage gap. We already let them be stupid in silence.
In the 90s the jeans were baggy, baggy my dude lol. They were not tight around the butt for men or women. The 2000s was when they tightened up a bit into boot cut jeans and then super tight into skinny jeans
Largely region dependant as well. We all know how skinny pants were in the 80s, and that trend persisted for many places.
I feel like a lot of women would rather look at a guy in skinny Jeans than a pair of jenco/janko. Those things could fit a laptop in the front pocket.
No joke, the 90s was a decade completely devoid of male asses. Girls on the other hand, I'm old enough to remember the flair pants comeback of the mid-90s.
When I was younger I had the fantasy of hooking up and all that but being the person that I am it never happened. Then I met my partner and it's great becoming better at sex together and getting each other off so hard, the exploration and caring aspect is everything.
Now at first it was so much about losing my virginity and to be able to think to myself "wow I did that with a woman" and worst part was like I had missed out on the hookup experience. Looking back it's really disgusting that it can become that way in this society where this is the idea of sex we are fed.
it's morbin time!
@@Jones-ke6bt true
Pro tip: don’t use the phrase “getting each other off so hard.”
@@therainman7777 fr tho lmaoo
When I lost my v-card, the sex wasn't even that bad all things considered, but the feeling of that weight being lifted beat that out by FAR. Later on, after having enough of a body count (as bad as it sounds) to not be worried or insecure, it's now about the experience overwhelmingly.
For someone that tends to be super self aware in a lot of things it blows my mind how fucking delusional Destiny is about his interactions with women and how much leeway he has cause he is rich and known. Like yea no shit you can do shit regular people can't, that doesn't dictate reality of 95% men. Most men can't just get 10 girls that are down to fuck with guys in an open marriage. Most couldn't even find 3 if they wouldn't lie about it.
HELL MOST DUDES COULDN'T GET AN OPEN RELATIONSHIP.
@@NothingElseMattersJM Of course you are an omega male that is able to surpass the most basic standards with your sheer masculinity.
@@NothingElseMattersJM dude you are rich and famous like destiny. You are the exception old man.
And true op. The delusion thinking most guys can get 10 girls when the average for guys is like 5 sexual partners in THEIR ENTIRE LIFE
@@NothingElseMattersJM Dude it's a joke. Your name is galileo galilei
mysterious L from destiny here. he more or less just said "if you're not having sex in a way I would then there is no chance it's good sex or that you like it" which is pretty strange lol.
Do you think there's such a thing as good and bad sex?
@@firstwavenegativity6379 bad sex is sex you don’t enjoy
@@chri11203 Bad sex is sex Destiny doesn’t enjoy
@@egusisoup1826 😂
Aba is so much more based than destiny
Idk man, "women can't sleep with a lot of people but it's fine if men do" blatant hypocrisy ain't based
Sounds like a "journey vs destination" argument. Some people like the journey more, others are focused on the destination. But OF COURSE Destiny is on the DESTINYation side xD
A longer journey usually leads to a better destination. Also idk if I want a well traveled path. Better be some grass on the path lol
And he's crazy, because if the destination was all that mattered, we would all just use Fleshlights and women wouldn't get laid because it wouldn't be worth the agony to get one to sleep with you.
@@BlueDirt_ProAggressive idk been on a long as journey through the desert, so thirsty I could die
@@SkeleTonHammer this reality is coming sooner than you think
@@SkeleTonHammer I'm with him but I might be autistic too, like 90% of the journey is useless cupcaking and timekilling. It doesn't have to be the ridiculous amount of stimulation toys can give, just better than what I can do with ol' lefty.
Me over here being engaged by this while not even having a sex life.
I feel your feelz, man.
Sounds about right.
Yep
Sounds like beta bucking
You're not doing anything by having more variation involved in your sex, it doesn't make it any better than someone who can get the same level of enjoyment through less work; you're just raising the ceiling for what you deem as enjoyable. Someone can have the best sex of their life that lasted only a few minutes, it's about the buildup and if there's a legitimate connection there or maybe it's purely physical, it just depends on the person
Well said 👏
You can get enjoyment out of anything. If someone enjoys watching paint dry, that's their right to do so, but there more entertaining things out there
@@firstwavenegativity6379 ya sure, you can argue that these people are missing out by not exploring a bit, but that's not my point. Just surprised me that this was the conclusion he arrived at with how well formulated his points usually are
I’m married both me and my wife are on a lot of drugs. We fuck once a week-ish sometimes it’s elaborate, sometimes it isn’t. We are happy.
@@liarandahorsethief5203 you can enjoy reading but if you only read childrens books how can you really say you’re having a full experience
Aba absolutely destroyed Destiny Holy shit.
Because Destiny speaks on this subject from an "enlightened position", like Aba mentioned. What Aba doesn't touch on is the fact that Destiny's "enlightened position" of experiences is from a false one. He's not having real relationships, since a good portion of his sexual encounters come from the fact that he's an influencer that can easily get to sleep around with random women using his name.
It honestly gets super annoying seeing Destiny constantly speak from a position of authority on these topics, especially because it's obvious he thinks of himself as an authority from countless experiences kind of guy.
@@ndt7379 whats not real about his relationship? is it not real because it threatens your world view.
@@johnascialpi5247 because his in a open relationship with his wife!! No man wants his wife banging other dude
God this is probably gonna be a good vid, but I cant focus cause I'm so worried about my internet security!
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8/10 comment
big if true
@@hunkyhank1634 8.5
@@hunkyhank1634 come on that’s a solid 9
11:50 Aba’s high key right on that. Even if it’s just someone’s hand, it feels leagues better than your own just because of the mental aspect. Same with a massage or scratching. When it’s someone else, even if it’s “mediocre” it feels good just because it’s someone else doing it
Someone with good music taste I see. ALL CAPS WHEN YOU SPELL THE MAN'S NAME 💪
@@illestvillain1971 YESSIRR
Im with destiny on this one. Someone’s hand does nothing on my thing unless they have good technique.
I guess it depends on the person.
Because the thumb placement is different
@@ernimuja6991 not to be weird, but What I’m saying applies at differing levels. What if someone attractive did it slightly less good than you do it yourself, would that not be better even if it’s slightly worse?
This kinda confirms where destiny is, while has a lot of empathy, sometimes showing his lack of humanity. I agree there's probably a large group of people who arnt as horny as media as told them they should be, but people do like routine, it's very weird he got stuck on this point, idk, it felt like a bit of a mrgirl moment
Nah, most people commenting on his channel have barely any experience with sex and should probably shut the fuck up ;)
The territorial argument is fucking true and real and it doesn't even have to be conscious intent, she'll scream louder if it signals something beneficial to her.
"Justin Trudeau is considered the sexiest world leader" lol he knows a thing or two about covering his face in make-up.
He's a world leader?
He just accidentally bought the wrong toner one time which happened to be a shade or two darker
Wait, I gave my vote for Jacinda Ardern though
Honestly we need to bring back blackface. It's fun. When I went to Netherland during Christmastime, everyone wears blackface. Not just sure Americans always feel like they need to cater to the blacks.
Lmfao you are foul for that one LMFAO for the fact people didn't know that was called Brown face but everyone called it black face cause they saw dark brown paint when he was dressed as a Indian stereo type who you don't call black you call brown smh but it was the wildest shit I've ever seen as a black man in Canada but your comment is soo underrated this is actually homie had the biggest smile on his face like boy noooooooo why would yyou do that LMFAO 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I absolutely hate when ppl in rare positions financially tell others they NEED TO MOVE OUT OF THERE PARENTS HOUSE🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ it’s such bad advice imo (someone who’s moved out at 18 with supportive parents that would’ve let me stay as long as I wanted)…. DONT RUSH IT USE YOUR SUPPORT WHILE YOU HAVE IT BCUZ THE SHIII WILL BE GONE ONE DAY⚠️ live at y’all own pace plz not these content creator’s
I think destiny forgot that he could be just a bit different from other people when it comes to the sex thing, it might seem true to him but it really isn't true for everyone XD
but he literally said that it could just be him
@@brendanthomas2543 he said that after being confronted. He normally presents this opinion as him being CORRECT,not it just being an opinion.
I can’t believe destiny compares other people massaging him to messaging himself. I can’t imagine not thinking there’s a difference there.
He didn't bring it up lol
In terms of 'dating advice,' I think when people say, "Be upfront about what you want/are looking for", what they mean is don't pretend to be looking for a long-term romantic relationship when you really just want to F, no strings attached. And when they say, "Just be yourself", it's in relation to ACTUALLY looking for a long-term, loving relationship so that you can be genuinely comfortable around the other person (like in the case when love finds you when you're not looking); because the alternative would be to get into a relationship built on a lie where you're pretending to be someone you're not, and eventually you wear out and the façade dies with the relationship. This OBVIOUSLY isn't advocating/encouraging one to air all their dirty laundry on a first date... and if you unlikable, you need to work on yourself first.
This is why het women are leaving dating sites in droves. Men present themselves as looking for relationships when just wanting to hookup. 2 people may have an encounter and he doesn't pursue her further. He'll still consider that successful and go back on the site, whereas she will delete it. No amount of social programming or women's empowerment or liberation will change the fact that we bear the vast majority of risk for reproduction and therefore hookups feel worse to us than to men
The problem people have with this, is you’re trying to teach someone how to run when they can’t even crawl. Most mens dating advice is focused on how to be attractive to women, because that’s what they need to get their foot in the door. So this advice may be good, but it’ll never be listened to because the men don’t have use for it
@@scarletsletter4466 kind of ironic
Steven loves to tell everyone he’s built different, then gets apoplectic when he finds out everyone doesn’t think the same way
yeah it’s almost like one can be different but still be passionate and confident in their worldview
@@zenleeparadise whoa did you see that! The point just flew past your head!
@@Lycanmaster lmao and then you don’t explain it?
I don’t get why people bother posting non-comments like this. I mean I kinda get it when people do this irl - they have little self-control and like the sound of their own voices. But honestly, what possesses someone to post a comment like this? Do you have no interest in having an actual conversation?
@@zenleeparadise My guy. Regardless of whether Steven thinks people SHOULD think the same way he does, he shouldn’t act surprised when he realizes that most people currently don’t think the same way he does.
@@zenleeparadise He relates to people and sex abnormally. It’s a personality trait(s), not a worldview.
FINALLY a discussion between two people I actually respect and are reasonable.
Though bloodsports are fun, I really enjoy having 2 people on that don't make me cringe so hard I have to switch videos
One thing I believe Destiny got wrong, was his point on virginity at the end. Although some men being insecure may play a part, as to why they would rather have a woman who is a virgin, there is also a biological reason. And that is that when a woman has a child, she always knows that is it hers, but when the woman who a man is with, becomes pregnant, he doesn't know that it is 100% his, and a lot more so when that woman has a history of sleeping around. Raising a child is incredibly time consuming, so if a man slept with a woman who became pregnant, yet he knew this woman had slept with multiple other men, or had a history of doing so, he would be a lot less likely to help raise the child, as he would be strongly questioning if it was his, and in earlier times, this would result in said child having a much lower chance of survival.
Where as a man who slept with a virgin, would be a lot more convinced that the child was his, as it would be more likely, and that child would have a better chance of survival, because the father would be more likely to stick around. So this would result in men who are more attracted to virgins for biological reasons, being more likely to pass on their genes, so today, a lot of us will have it coded in our dna to find them more attractive. And then this would influence the culture that valued virgin women for thousands of years.
So the attractions has both cultural, biological, and practical reasons behind it. Men are still aware today, even if it's subconscious, that if a woman who's virginity they took becomes pregnant, the child is a lot more likely to be his, than say a woman who has a history of sleeping around. And since the biological purpose of sex, for the most part is to spread your genetics, and raise your children to be healthy, and to a reproductive age themselves, that is what a lot of attraction is based on, so it makes complete sense outside of insecurities, that the vast majority of men, would find women with less sexual history, more physically attractive.
Yes I respect the 2 women on the panel very much
@@Leon56323 I agree if you're not a sigma like destiny you may as well be femoid
@@Leon56323 _ISSA GUR NAME, WHAT DA?_
"Jeans always made a guy's ass look good. They climb on the horse like, Oh yeah." - Destiny 😅
I'm not finished with the video yet. I have to say that I really like Aba. I respect someone who is smart enough to stop a Convo to ask what a word means so they can learn and contribute. 💪🏽💙
This is all confirming Patrice O'Neal as a genius in relationships
Let's be honest about this vid. The entire topic is mostly Destiny coming from an elitist take about sex and getting upset other people aren't adapting to his standards of it. This is why Aba's takes sound more down to earth and reasonable here, because they literally are. Destiny points out that a lot of Influencers act a certain way about sex, their status in it, and their ability to get it, but fails to acknowledge he has literally been one of those guys. The only difference is that Destiny goes further down that road and tends to brag about his ability to please women, while other influencers will just stop at saying they get a lot of sex.
Destiny's entire position sounds like it's coming from someone who is terminally online, except their terminally online (influencer) status allowed them to have much more sex than the average person. He consistently proves this by how much emphasis he puts on the idea that some people are just happy to have been able to "join the club" as though someone just being happy they were able to get their rocks off occasionally is a bad thing. His huge disconnect comes from his failure to break past his ego and realize other people don't have their internet status to constantly give them sex with beautiful women whenever they want. To Destiny, a good portion of his sexual experiences are coming from his skill to bring in women... rather than the more obvious thing, which is his influencer status.
Id love to see an example of this "skill" that he has. I remember him looking pretty ridiculous and cringey hitting on that chess girl
I agree, Destiny doesn't have to do anything good, or anything at all really to get women. I really don't like listening to him talk about any topics regarding mens experience with dating because he is so far away from the norm that he has no idea what men have to deal with to just get a girl to give them the time of day. Especially on online dating. And in my personal opinion all this talk about sex and relationships is a waste of time, at least in regards to mens issues. Because the biggest issue that men have these days is simply getting to that stage in the first place, not the actual sex or the relationship itself.
@@Fitins400 That's pretty much all of Destiny's interaction with women, just trying to poke at them like the stereotypical kid pulling the hair of a girl he likes at the playground. This may sound sexist, but streams with him trying to put moves on girls with self-respect always end up making him look like a goof. When he's doing it with the e-girl kind of chicks that stream intentionally stimulating clothing, they give him a pass on anything. This is why girls like Kyootbot just giggle or awkwardly go back and forth with him when he's just insulting her with a smile.
Lol, that's exactly what i thought. It sounds like he already had a conclusion then just kind of made things up to fit that conclusion. Not to mention the chat being cringe af, but what else is new
@@ndt7379 Plenty of women irl enjoy that kind of back and forth banter, you don’t have to be a streamerman to do it.
Shitting on missionary and doggy? I feel personally attacked..
Missionary is unfathomably based
Shouldn't be missionary can feel extremely good, when it's lovey dovey
Lmfao i felt that even tho I do more I was like aye what's wrong with the classics like a old man holy this had me rolling ever that convo too🤣🤣🤣
The virgin Missionary position vs. the CHAD Amazonian position.
Give me more Preach and Aba and I'll be a consistent viewer 100% of the time.
Same
Debates like these makes me think destiny sometimes tries to win even if he knows hes wrong
He absolutely does. I feel like debates have become quite an addiction to him. Obviously he has a monetary incentive to do it but I do feel he’ll argue in bad faith rather than admit someone either proved him wrong or made a valid criticism.
24:56 I almost spit out my drink at how he phrased this rant lmao
Destiny shld make videos for his audience.. 80% of his viewers r virgins.. can't relate pls help
💀😂😂😂😂
destiny and aba are such boomers when it comes to male aesthetics
cry
@Bambisson why the hostility?
@@krawieck it’s cringe to say that different opinions about aesthetics are invalid because there “boomers”. There older so they can see how certain things are just trends and not permanent changes like progressives want them to be. You won’t have dudes wearing maid outfits for female attention 10 years from now
@@bambisson4502 Men have been wearing nailpolish for years, it's not just a trend. No one said their opinion is invalid, but it's still boomerish.
Finally a topic Destiny doesn’t really seem to know wtf he’s talking about: SEGGS!
Well he also said you don't include the bar when lifting weights....
So that's TWO things.
@@mikelipinski7615 So I SHOULDN'T look to Destiny for gym advice? Damn.
@@mikelipinski7615 Haha I missed that actually, good catch
@@mikelipinski7615 Destiny? Not knowing how to gym? Color me shocked!
49:00 Rent is so high where I live I am fucking blown away when I hear people move out at the age of 18. I fucking wish man.
Don’t move out unless u get paid enough dude that’s simply it. Or live w someone u trust!!
@@moonknight4053 yeah I know lol, but there are people younger than me who are kicked out and some how make it work. I should genuinely ask how they made it in life lol
37:00 man this hit home. I thought i was crazy but it's actually really hard for me to express myself to my girlfriend because if it has something to do with not liking an aspect of our relationship she will take the wheel hardcore and be upset a lot of the times, when i just want to fix that part to keep having a stable relationship with her, not to teat it down for fun
I’m in the exact same situation right now and tbh it’s exhausting. I feel you 100%
grow some balls
I hate to be that person, but honestly you need to cut this off or this will ultimately kill your relationship. When you’re in a relationship both parties have to be open to criticism (healthy critiquing of course) if she gets mad at you every time you express/critique what makes you unhappy in the relationship then you’ll find yourself walking on eggshells, leaving the problem unfixed and allowing it to potentially get worse over time. I’ve dealt with this myself in a past relationship. Definitely not it at all
@@solessmusic285 that don’t just mean leave. Cause people say a lot with their actions. I’m sure she just insecure about something, and if he pull it out of her the relationship can get better.
She’s more than likely insecure about something bro. Her getting mad at you for expressing what you don’t like is more so about her than you. But for you though you should not let that stop you from expressing yourself. You’re not wrong for feeling how you feel about your relationship. Speak up don’t let nobody stop you from expressing yourself. If you just stop expressing yourself your emotions will build up and metaphorically your cup will overfill with water. So mane express how you feel regardless of the backlash you may get. How they perceive has nothing to do with you just them. Stand 10 toes
I fall into the category of man that truly believes: "A sandwich always tastes better, when someone else makes it for me."
this is why men are painted by sitcoms to be doofuses
okay but what is it about sandwiches that you make yourself that makes them so god damn disappointing?
@@thepipechapman 😂
@@thepipechapman They aren't. I never make a sandwich and get sad about it.
I just get MORE happy about some one else making it for me.
Another girl doing something to me and they are skilled? It will send me to space. However, some are robotic or generally bad. At that point I would've been way better off seeing to myself.
@27:30
You don't remember baggy jeans in the 90s? JNCO, sir. Even the pockets were so big you could put an entire school textbook in there.
I met my partner on Facebook 12 years ago when we were 16 .. I wouldn’t even know we’re to start now in 2022.
Also agree with destiny honestly about the makeup thing. Wish I learned this years ago and just done the whole “less is more” thing.
I absolutely adore this new image in my mind of Destiny and Aba going horseback riding with one another.
Most of these male makeup arguments are already quickly becoming invalidated through the introduction of South Korean culture into the world's mainstream culture. The litmus test for this already exists, just look at BTS and their makeup collections posts.
Shouldn't this have already been normalized though the 1st time this happened with glam/ hair metal/rock stars? Some even took it as far as bowie and Cobain wearing dresses. They were even more mainstream than K pop and j pop are right now. But straight men looking femme was never really accepted let alone encouraged or widely sought by women. I feel like if this was gonna happen women right now would all be going for dudes who look like femboys in makeup like bowie or Aerosmith but women still mostly all want Chads or dudes from central casting
Aba absolutely laying down facts!
Yes and no. He’s wrong about the makeup take.
The vid just come out bro u didn't let's be honest u didn't watch that shit
@@yeeehawwdy2638 how tho?
@@yeeehawwdy2638 you wouldn't be disgusted if you heard a guy applies makeup?
@@khalidhatim7035 make up doesn’t mean caked face. Every celebrity uses make up. Look at men in interviews. You prob can’t tell but they have make up on. Mens makeup is not the same as women. Men can use foundation or cover up to have their skin look good. The problem is people still have this incorrect idea that men+makeup= the look of a woman when she wears makeup
Why would you go down on a random chick ? Also hookup culture is cringe anyway
For a guy who takes the moral high ground in his arguments, he sure lacks empathy.
Cuz he is a nerd
One issue I've had personally, is sometimes with girls if I open up and share issues, concerns or insecurities. they might just flat out say oh you have low self confidence, or just use those and then if there is a small disagreement or argument just use those to shit on me. It's disgusting.
I've learnt, if you wanna test this, open up with something light or fictional, and see how they take it. If it is a negative reaction, do not open up legitimately. Yeah but sometimes the blatant lack of empathy can be mad
These 3 people are probably the most sensible able to come together on this platform
This reminds me of an argument that Chris ray gun and Derick had with sweeney, where they were convinced that most people had sex before dating, it was such big city online millennial nonsense.
Listening to Stephen do an ad read sounds like one of the ads on interdimensional cable on Rick and Morty.
On apps, good looks = success in womens heads. and you can only talk yourself out of a date by revealing you arent what they imagine. essentially: "how can you be broke when you look good?"
Literally no woman looks my way. It’s because I’m disabled, in a wheelchair, and have a big gut. I think that’s okay. 🤷♂️ Everyone has preferences. Just have the balls to say that’s why.
Wow I’m so lucky to have had nothing but super healthy relationships. Never had any of these problems except for one ex. All my other exs were great, never hijacked the emotions or blamed me for emotions or felt like I couldn’t be honest. I’m pretty picky tho maybe bc once I’m willing to get into a serious relationship it’s usually someone who is mature and frankly amazing.
Secure attachment is pretty pog
Does Destiny not understand that people don't always strive to improve or naturally improve at all? How many people have you worked with that never got better at their job after years lol. It's like Destiny can't understand people different from him at all...
You’ve arrived at the correct answer, lol. Destiny has a mental model that works very well to get him the things he wants, but this also makes him arrogant at times. So he’ll make matter of fact assertions that he’s plainly wrong about until someone sends him an email that he likes and he gains a new perspective. Such is the cycle
Wow Destiny actually lost the debate in the first part of the video. Aba and notsoerudite were just correct.
actually, when i went thru my goth phase, the girls LOVED that i wore mascara and eyeliner (or at least they said they did a lot)
Eye liner is hot on girls and guys
Most women, including myself, that are part of the alt-scene/bodymod community love makeup, nail polish, styled hair etc. on guys.
Listening to this debate was strange, does the everyday woman hate makeup on men? Isn’t the super popular k-pop boys known for wearing makeup?
@@eusen3608 i thought it was strange when erudite brought up black nail polish and destiny and the other dude started soying out. I mean black nail polish really? Who cares
@@AUstudios Yeah, especially black nail polish since that’s like the go to color for dudes. Idk wtf kinda women they’ve met in their life to make them think that.
Yeah in sure people of the same sub culture liked it. However would the broad base of women like it
Not gonna lie, Destiny being on FnF would be damn good content. I'd pay money for that.
They already have a girl named Destiny.
He is going to be there tomorrow.
He lost the argument at 11:05 . We all know he doesnt work on that manifesto.
That VPN security deal sounds pretty good. A shame I already have one lol
You'd think that August could edit in some god damned timestamps.
36:39 This hit deep. I´m surprised she noticed. Good to her, things might be easier next time.
No that’s stupid, just because she made that mistake doesn’t mean all women do. Don’t project into all women.
Where’s the statistics, or do facts care about feelings when men want it to
Love Aba!
He's a clown. He's all buddied up with Destiny and Destiny is the first to tell you that he'll call you the n word as long as the cameras aren't on and he thinks it's funny.
And there's nothing worse than non American mfers talking out of their ass about the American political climate and experience. And it's especially bad on the topic of black Americans.
preach!
I'm largely a Destiny fanboy (even tho I'm a conservative and actually disagree with a lot of his takes) but this take is actual hot garbage. He is so far off from what vast majority of people feel like about this subject
Wanna elaborate?
I feel the same way on your take
Keep in mind that he’s an online personality who probably mostly has influencers as friends and hook-ups. His takes here are so far removed from my experience as an average guy
Like Alex D said, Destiny's experiences mostly comes from him operating on a life granted to him by his online influencer status. He has women trying to hook up with him solely because of his status, so he doesn't live through the same kind of sexual and relationship experiences other people do. He's right about saying the basic things of what not to do in a relationship, but that's low hanging fruit. It doesn't take a genius to know what extreme or creepy thing you shouldn't do. He's shown time and time again that he's actually terrible at handling relationships and reading people, despite him constantly bragging how many sexual relationships he's been in.
Destiny is NOT the person to look to for relationship or sexual encounter advice. He only tends to look better in these subjects because he's usually debating far more extreme Twitch influencers who have dumb takes on sex topics.
@@alexd4566 idk why he didn't just argue from the point of many men never making their partner squirt, and many men not getting some insane degree of head etc etc lol instead of arguing that a lot of people do not enjoy s*x. I enjoy the same $3 iced coffee that I buy every single day, but it's not amazing coffee lol
In this episode, a woman confirms the sexiest men are jojo characters.
Aba destiny convos always fire
That grandma story made me choke on my dinner.
Got a full time job with decent pay, not a schizo, but unfortunately living with parents and paying off a mortgage for a flat we bought an year ago.
I feel completely trapped in this situation because I can't just walk out of the flat and leave my parents to burden the entire mortgage that would be a super dick move just to have more dating opportunities.
On the other hand I'm not getting younger and I feel like I need to do something before I become permanently undateable and then I'll probably be looking at a future where I'm one of those loner pensioners trying to survive on their own.
Honestly it’s a super dick move that your parents have gotten you into this situation. They should know that they’re stunting your growth in terms of dating. Maybe you can move to them to a smaller place or a retirement community which are usually cheaper for old people.
But you have to live your own life no matter what. They lived theirs and it’s your turn now.
@@edmesag3715 My parents are not pensioners, they're in their early 50's and I'm in my late 20's.
I'm not a leech or some kind of freeloader because I pay off half the mortage monthly, buy and cook my own food, do my own cleaning, buy cleaning and kitchen supplies for my family regularly.
I just don't really know how I would even introduce myself to a woman knowing that I live in a flat with my parents it's just an instant big minus.
Now I'm living in the UK atm so the pressure to have your own place isn't as high as it is in the US (I think hyper-individuality is a MASSIVE thing over there at least that was my impression when I lived in Pittsburgh) but I still would want my own place at some point.
@@Ignozi Yeah I am talking from a US perspective. And I'm not saying to be a leech. I'm just saying to look for alternative housing for your parents. You can't really have your own life without your own space.
@@Ignozi are you going to inherit the house?
Twitch streamers are really losing it lately seems they brag about sex more than listening to the convo at hand. Never heard destiny cut someone off so much just to tell a basic sex story
Well what do you expect? They are already rich because dumb dumbs give them money and they get alot attention from women because of the money and fame. It just makes sense that they think they are better than everyone else.
He always does this in regards to sex and relationship conversations. It's only less noticeable in past conversations because he tends to be debating the usual suspects with extreme views, so he tends to come off as reasonable in comparison. Destiny has always had a massive ego when it comes to thinking he's some sex god and relationship expert. He always spoke about these topics from a position of authority, while speaking as though everyone else is someone with an inferior sex/relationship life to him.
@@ndt7379 Destiny giving personal anecdotes to explain his positions on sex have nothing to do with "ego". The people screaming "ego" when someone talks about their personal sex experiences are just projecting their jealousy of the fact that others have had sexual experiences, and it bothers you when they bring it up cause it forces out your insecurities
@@ndt7379 you do realize the “usual suspects” you refer to are generally different, not only in gender but race and political opinion? When you want to levy criticism it is crucial to think what you are proposing. You claim that destiny is being egotistical about his sex life, but I don’t think that’s accurate, I think that he uses his personal experiences to explain his views and give context so that the people he’s disagreeing with can poke his brain and maybe come to a different conclusion. And don’t forget destiny and aba are chill and openly make conversations about things they don’t agree with, you seem to have a poor understanding of how disagreements work. Making big jumps to conclusions that aren’t apparent is kinda wack dude, but please do feel free to reply!
8 minutes in and I already remember why I stopped watching destiny. Dude cant argue. Just scream and ranting. It's good entertainment I guess.
This was a great convo! 👍 Re: Destiny's point about people being bad in bed, the problem is choosing partners who lack experience (besides hook-ups) &/or interest. I've noticed a man's performance in bed tracks with 2 variables: relationship experience & how attracted he is to me. A guy who's lived with a woman will usually know the body better. Beyond that, there's no substitute for having someone who reallllly wants to please you. Don't overdo it by asking 20 questions the whole time to discover what she likes, but both parties should be actively trying to figure out how to please the other & communicate what pleases them.
I believe there was a study where women rated a large majority of men at or below average, while men where within 10 percent of accuracy (40 to 60 percent below or at average)
I can't speak for all women, but if a man left makeup stains on my pillowcases from drawing on his eyebrows, I'd be appalled. I'm sure that's my toxic hetero-normativity. But tbh I'd just find it more attractive for him to do literally ANYTHING else to improve himself. For example, instead of drawing his eyebrows, do 10 push-ups 💪
Destiny going through the whole Kama Sutra over here
Think what destiny is missing here is that crazy good sex like what he’s describing requires trust and a certain level of intimacy that doesn’t often happen with a one night stand.
I'd imagine you don't come across these "really good sexual encounters" very often in open relationships. Im sure it happens but is far less often than having a partner that you know everything the like and don't like
It does happen when you fuck mentally ill twitch girls though. Destiny is too terminally online to have a conversation like this.
Not Aba comparing women to objects… has he not had this conversation with anyone?
I'm growing my virginity back.
Its 5 years right? Then I'm officially a virgin again? I hope so. I've had enough of this nonsense
I live with my parents, pay for my own shit and saving a lot of money. I refuse to rent and all the houses are overpriced for garbage.
The irony that Aba has a roommate and woman will still look down on him for having roommates lol
If the only way to explain your conception of a woman who has had sex with multiple men is to make an analogy about buying/owning used property, then you're probably not making a rational/morally neutral observation regarding the "the honest truth", you're saying something irrational and misogynistic. Woman are not commodities/objects and they are not property. No comparison of them to used cars or a collected trophy is rational. Thinking that a woman who has had sex with multiple men inherently reduces her value, whereas men having sex with multiple woman inherently increases his value, stems from the regressive idea that sex is inherently degrading to a woman and that sex is something done to her and not with her: that a man who has had sex with a woman has conquered her and she has been conquered.
How are men not offended by the idea that a woman having sex with a man dirties/degrades her? What does this say about your view of men? That they are inherently gross? Inferior? Dirty? Poisonous? Obviously, having a high amount of sexual partners can be a red-flag because lots of people that have high "body counts" often have an unhealthy relationship with sex and/or don't practice safe sex, but it is not inherently a negative thing. If you believe it to be a red flag in women, it absolutely is also a red flag in men.
yeah its weird that aba didn't admit to the contradiction or at the very least didn't see an issue with it. I can completely see both sides on how people could prefer a partner that has a low or no body count vs people who have had a high body count and i can respect that since they both can have their upsides and downsides BUT you should at least apply that equally to BOTH sexes instead of having different standards for each sex
Average people 🤝blckpillers 🤝 Hating and/or making fun of redpillers.
Harold, are u ok w a high bc lady? And if so… that’s ok. But the fact that there plenty like that, is very off putting. I don’t really subscribe to his content, but I agree with mediocre tutorials reviews video ok bodycount.
I don’t think guys should keep sleeping with girls too but to a point, u know ? Like 30+ women… it’s a thing. I think there’s more to this is well
@@moonknight4053 eh i don't know since i haven't been in that situation where a girl with a high body count was interested in me, at least it wouldn't be an automatic dealbreaker on that point alone unless it goes into the extreme.
but my main point and critisism for me was that i can respect if someone wants a partner with a low body count or doesn't care either way. As long as you put that standard on both sexes instead of what abba did where he saw a women with a low body count as something bad while a men with a high body count as something good
@@harold926 I understand what ur saying bro, and I respect it, I’ve read abit on the topic tbh. I’m mid twenties tbh I do think that it is abit different for men and women.
What do u think is a high bc for men and women? I know age is well comes into it
Others' hands feel better. Period. Sorry Destiny. You're 100% wrong on this.
I don’t think he completely disagrees - it’s more a matter of whether or not they feel better enough to justify having shitty sex. I mean sex is a very intimate thing, you shouldn’t be looking at other people’s hands as a tool to get you off.
Idk man I’ve had some awful handjobs that I would rather have done myself.
That's a big generalization... If the hand is just resting on it and doing nothing or dry humping, or doing light movements, sure, that feels amazing, but i also had a few times where women would hit their nails on my glans or pressure it and hurt to the point of making me flinch and killing the whole mood by making them worried, so if the other person doesn't know what she's doing, their hands definitely do NOT feel better...
@@zenleeparadise no, but he completely disregards the psychological aspect of good sex in favor of the mechanical aspect. If a girl is hot, even if she doesn't know how to have good sex, the sex will be decent for me because it'll be like eating eye candy. There's nothing Destiny can say about this to make me think it's pathetic of me to enjoy sex in part because someone's attractiveness.
@@zenleeparadise Who said anything about using someone else's hand(s) as a tool? You sound like you're making a lot of assumptions about people's intentions. I am thinking about it not just in sexual terms, but also the example erudite used about giving massages. I could massage my sore muscles in exactly the right spot and it still wouldn't be as satisfying as having someone else do it. There's something about the touch of another that is more physically stimulating imo.
when it comes to looks, i would say men are either attractive or not, it's a 1 or 0 thing and most guys are "unattractive" to women.
While from a man perspective, we would rather rate women form 1 to 10
Make up for guys was most prominent in the 1980’s new romantic era of pop music, however, I don’t recall seeing it out much in the wild.
Isn't there a whole South Park episode about women liking their men a bit more feminine but then hate it when they start acting almost gay. The metro sexual era.
10:57 The manifestos (plural) are surely on the way guys
45:45 just because capitalism is crushing me under it's thumb doesn't mean that im not attractive and undesirable, we just find ways, hotels aren't really outside the norm in LV
You know it's a serious convo when the notepad comes out.
Did she say men's pants were super skinny during the Grunge era? Skinny jeans peaked in the 80's Grunge was all about loose baggy clothes from thrift stores...ya know,...Grunge.
Thick brows might be a marker of masculinity, but putting on thick brows is a marker of sissyness.
I’m confused as to why she called it “eye brow thickener” eye brow thickener is a serum that grows the brows. She probably means eyebrow pencil.
I wish I wasn't drunk so I could comprehenad this collab damn
Aba basically starts explaining the primary theme for Tony in The Sopranos at 36:00. He’s talking about how do men share and get out their emotions while also providing the security, often confused with actual acts of aggression or violence but is really about your presence and resiliency.
If you put in work and take care of your partner, they will reciprocate and it's exciting as you one up each other lol
Have a job? Easy
Have your own place? An apartment, but hey it's not my moms basement
Don't be a scitzo? Ah fuck..
By the way, the car-argument stuff around 1:11:00:
Someone chews up a sandwich and spits it out. Why would you want to eat it after that?
Why would you want somebody else's garbage? (that comes with emotional baggage, they bond with everyone they do it with, whether you admit it or not - it happens every time, they're damaged psychologically and biologically, they leave DNA in each other)
And how is it fair that 1 guy gets to use everything when it's brand new, when there's no bonding nostalgia nor telegony, and 10 others have to eat his garbage and accept being eliminated?
Everyone, both men and women, should have the right to have their first time with someone to whom it is also the first time, nobody should have to be forced to eat garbage because "well, that's just how it is". Otherwise we should accept "that's just how it is" for everything else.
Men are also just biologically wired to have viceral gut reactions to the idea of commiting to a promiscious girl. So even if sleeping around didn't cause a ton of problems. Men still wouldn't be able to accept it because most men are just wired that way.
You need to get over your insecurities and start treating women like humans and not some item that gets damaged because it got touched by someone . You have to many insecurities and this will stop you from enjoying the finite time you got on this earth .
@@olderbadboy Your excuse can be used to say that you "are just insecure, and need to get over your insecurities, and women aren't your property" if she cheats on you and you say you don't want her after that and that she isn't allowed to sleep with others because she's yours. And how is it "enjoying your finite time" if you're getting bullied and repressed by others? If you want to play the "that doesn't matter actually, you're only getting in your own way"-card, well then people with body dysphoria can be told the exact same thing and "you don't need to do that to enjoy your life", poor people can be told "you don't need money to be happy", sick people can be told "you don't need to be healthy to have a happy life".
Please, enough with the cu*k preaching, grow up, accept the fact that men have agency and rights as well, and women aren't "being treated as items" - everyone knows that being in a relationship means that both parties belong to each other, it has nothing to do with "insecurities" or "property" or whatever.
@@tzimisce1753 My response was accurate to the way you used analogies like : "somebody else's garbage","they leave DNA in each other " in your rant above. Anyone who cheats in a monogamous relationship established by both parties is a scum no matter what genitals.
@@olderbadboy If that's really how you understood "garbage", then you should've also thought that I meant "eat women" when I said "eat garbage". But somehow that escaped you. You really had to boil it down to semantics to come up with an argument, because the colorful language triggered you, and you didn't answer the point, you just objected to the choice of words, and based on that you tried to tell me what to conclude about the point. And you call that accurate.
I understand the colorful language triggered you, but your whole thing breaks down when you try to boil everything down to biology not existing because you're upset over the choice of words. Everyone knows chemicals are released in the brain during the act, everyone knows what fluids come and go and where and how during the act. Now you tell me how a woman can be "yours" in a relationship and how she can't do wrong by cheating on you because "she's not your property" - as apparently that's the only way you understand that someone can have someone. And you've convinced yourself, on that basis, that you need to let yourself accept just anything.
I'll put it in a "feminist way" for you since you have such a hard time not reading "man vs. woman" into the words "everyone" and "somebody", and I'm an adult man so I don't get all up in arms about projected insinuations and supposed labels and whatever:
Why should a woman invest herself into a man, when other women got him for free without picking up his slack? Why should a woman cook and clean and take care of his kids so that she can get his affection, loyalty etc. if all the other women didn't have to give all of that? How is that fair? (And why won't you take an issue with "men are not items" now? - You have a big problem, and you need to get over it, so that you don't live a life being trampled by everyone. There's no enjoyment in being marginalized, unless you have a fetish for that.)
Hold up is no one going to bring up the fact erudite said moose nuckle?