Destiny Debates A Bluepill Using Redpill Arguments
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- Destiny explains redpill mentality to a bluepill (WickedSupreme) and why he didn't bother explaining difference between open relationships and cucking on the Fresh And Fit podcast
Date: 14 Aug, 2022
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00:00 Teasers / Intro
00:48 Fresh And Fit podcast and not explaining open relationships
11:12 Redpill view these traits as positives
24:28 Accomplished man dating a young hot woman
30:14 Martin Shkreli got hacked or did he rug pull?
41:45 Rollo wants Destiny taken to the woodshed
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The FACT you are a c uck makes anything you say invalid and makes you an example of what NOT to be for any self respecting man. If you are happy fine but don't expect people to take you seriously.
Reading this was your Destiny!
1 hour of destiny and some random dude coping about letting their girlfriends cuck them day by day XD
Dear Destiny,
I'm interested in joining an online discussion like the one you had w/ Lauren Southern, or at least talking about it. I have potentially refining inputs on that talk you guys had.
Thank you for taking time to read this,
DayJohn
@@Yuvraj. I
Does he make his email public? I'd like to ask for it, but I wouldn't want his private information being put out there.
Don't let the blue pill distract you from the fact that Destiny is a woman's name.
@@xp8969 wait what, did something happen to JLP/did he do something super fucked up?
Almost got me, thanks.
Never gets old
Ahmazin!
Bluepill is distracting Destiny from precious manifesto time
it's very rare these days to see people who actually steelman arguments. i appreciate destiny for that.
Destiny is epically bad at that. He is a machiavellian rhetoritician. He doesn't care about the Truth. He cares about winning arguments in the eyes of the audience, not thinking in real time.
@@The_ScapeGoat what makes you say that
@@The_ScapeGoat Lol. I mean he has his moments. But overall, he is actually QUITE good at it.
I dunno what you are watching.
Examples, please. 🤣
@@The_ScapeGoat He seems pretty honest imo. I've never heard him genuinely try to win an argument when he knows he is wrong, and as long as the person he is debating is honest themselves he is fair to them even if he thinks they're an idiot.
@@firghteningtruth7173 If you don't know what you are looking for then you will obviously miss it completely. For example, on the podcast Destiny referred to women as bitches which Destiny thought was a way to pander to the crowd who seem to hate women. Sneako actually called him out on that though and was like "whoa! bitches destiny?" and that was a bit of a sweatstiny moment. It might be the weakness of being a centrist that likes to try and play the both sides game but Destiny definitely has a lot of that kind of pandering rhetoric baked into his debates.
New destiny fan after the f&f debate. Guy is very intelligent and insightful.
Don't forget though, that destiny, is infact a woman's name
its also known as “a game”
You might want to unsub bc he plays league.
@@rocky_danger_buff5845 don't mention that shit here 😂
Did you know that when his friend was suicidal he let his friend kill himself?
Destiny is smart, debating on open relationship is a losing battle. Even he said he wouldn't recommend it for others on the podcast.
@@iannovak5223 I think you need to be famous aswell for it to be equal. The average guy is going to watch his girl sleep around anytime she wants while he has too work for it and fail multiple times lol.
@@iannovak5223 True also if you have all those 3 your likely to only want a one sided open relationship since you have all the leverage lol. For me it's a no in any circumstance 🤣.
@@iannovak5223 that’s cope man he knows it’s not jealousy
I consider myself a relatively generous person, but one area where I'm very stingy is vagina. Mine is mine, get your own.
@@husman1g360 Ironically enough if women were put in the same circumstance as men were they would not like open relationships either and that is why they do not like to date bisexual men.
Destiny is completely right about the open relationship point. The other dude woulda got clowned so hard if he went about the argument his own way
A lot of these guys saying "why didn't you do [x]" and coming up with their own strategies are either incredibly vague or just deluded. When he started going into "putting out the right energy and planting the seed", all I was thinking was "okay dude so yeah quick question have you ever actually won a debate in your life"
He actually thinks "have you ever thought about why it makes you uncomfortable?" would somehow turn the tables on fnf.
It's an example of the this dude's arrogance frfr. He doesn't think there are any experiences or justifications that make FnF beliefs fair
I have seen people fuck them selves up psychologically reading or believing some nonsense up about shit. Just eye opening some of the nonsense you see now in big cities with these fake fetishts and fake promiscuity people.
tru tru tru
Dang, i love how self-aware Destiny is. He is spot on on how others will see him.
I don't think that's necessarily self-awareness, more like social awareness. Self-awareness means understanding your own emotions and thoughts, and having a certain familiarity with your own subconscious mechanisms. Understanding how you come off to others is more related to social intelligence and theory of mind. I know arguing semantics is not particularly productive, but I think there's a solid distinction there
@@marcodallolio9746 not really because self awareness is being aware of how people view you and how you view yourself. Social awareness is being is knowing time and place. Dude literally described it the correct way.
You can tell this Wicked guy has no clue about Red Pill. Dude would have gotten mopped up on Fresh and Fit. I Hope Destiny collected payment from this guy.
It's annoying really. It's why I skip over ppl who are chivalrous and default position is "women can do no wrong". It's nothing gained or new understanding from watching their review, or a new opinion you didn't consider. It's just a "blue pill circle jerk" lol.
Same thing happened when I tried to watch a TYT of why Tomi Lauren was a hypocrite on illegal immigration. And all they have is some petty high school bullshit that doesn't even prove what they said. I don't click on TYT vids anymore after that one especially
Very easy to go from red pill to blue pill if you meet a woman you're fully sexually attracted to and she acts like she is fully into you, and you love her personality... It's very easy to be ''red pill' when you have no desirable dating options if we're being 100% truthful here
@@michaelangst6078
Huh? No lmao
Loving the recent red pill/save Sneako arc Destiny's been on especially since these ideas have exploded again in the past year.
I don't get why tbh. These things have existed since at least 2015 and their arguments have barely improved. Just more of the same.
@@Hooga89 In my opinion it seems that the incel and mgtow sphere blowing up drew a lot of the attention away from redpill. Then when it all blew up the redpill was caught in the fallout and kind of shut out of the mainstream for a while. now that there hasn't been much horrific incel shit reaching the mainstream for a couple years theyre feeling bold again.
@@Hooga89
Ya, and they’re calling gay men p3dos again… same shit different day
@@Hooga89 new generation of young boys on the internet. those boys from 2015 are adults now lol
@@Hooga89 The difference between now and then is that even though the red pillers themselves haven’t changed, lots of people are starting to acknowledge that their talking points aren’t completely wrong, and lots of mainstream figures are becoming “red pill lite”.
Kevin Samuels didn’t claim red pill, but he garnered a huge audience. Aba and Preach don’t claim red pill, but they definitely acknowledge the truth of a lot of talking points. I don’t even think either of the Tate brothers claim to be red pill. Plus, large numbers of women are actually starting to listen to mens podcasts, and having their minds blown.
They would not buy the "I'm more secure then you" arguments ever
Generally speaking, when someone has to convince you of their emotional security, they're not being truthful.
They literally get told this by countless women on a regular basis sometimes several on one panel lol. They destroy that argument every time.
Even if they did agree that Destiny is secure in his open relationship they could easily make the claim that Destiny is not like most men; therefore the advice they give is still applicable to 99% of men and just not to people like Destiny.
And they would be correct too.
In the red pill worldview there has to be a few exceptions but pointing out those exceptions does not disprove red pill necessarily.
In nature, weak species, unnatural species are generally wiped out. There are many natural rules that follow to weed out abnormalities. That's essentially red pill in core. There can be exceptions in a minute period of time, but they are not applicable in vast masses or not true honestly.
If you really disect, Destiny's girl bangs 6'4'' chads cause Destiny is secure. That just means Destiny is only for her emotional tampon like a lesbian, while his so called girl is actually aroused by those Chads. But she know they will never commit to her or give her those feminine support that Destiny gives. Hence, she uses him by marrynig him and uses his security as well.
Just when Fresh told Destiny was bi. All girls had a disgusting face and automatically were dried out. Biology is pretty cut throat. It's us who are too nieve to brush it off in the name of progressiveness and modernization. Social constructs don't change biological hardwiring and natural hardcore rules...
@@JoeMama-gi1so All you have to bring up is if Destiny would be with melina if he wasn’t a millionaire. Better yet, take a look at his dating pool before he was rich compared to now lol😂😂 He really likes to insinuate his exes are on the same tier as Melina…..
I’m glad Destiny acknowledges that Myron is intelligent. So many leftists hate admitting that just because someone is a misogynist/racist/homophobe/etc. that they are unintelligent.
@@0doublezero0 Mr. Girl is the smartest person alive
@@JoeMama-gi1so You don't believe that.
@@donanderson3653 Well at least you can agree that destiny is a woman’s name
Reality is most men in power and most powerful human beings were all of them throughout history. Only in 21st century we want to create a utopia of snowflakes who can't even stand on what they truly believe in. Reality is actually sexist, racist, homophobic etc. all of them. We can just cope trying to be nicer to others. But when a Ukraine situation comes, you know where human being in that nation or tribe truly stand in the hierarchy!!! There's a reason most religion, culture, tribes and traditions punishes non-straight activities. Only in modern times, we have to say total opposite thing to be more inclusive.
Do you want to accept reality as it is and has always been or do you want to fight for imaginary communitarian all inclusive crap where there is no hierarchy and people are sympathetic to others for individual background. My point is history repeats over and over to stick to certain things and punish certain things regardless of how progressive and inclusive they sound. Somethings have never surpassed after certain period. Proof is not just one or two cultures but vast majority throughout history. We try to brush that evidence and reality and try to sneak in our degerative traits to be more inclusive and no punishment for degeneracy!!!
I personally find it looks stronger when you can know when it's smart to not engage in certain points (under certain conditions), and follow through in not succumbing to the urge of talking because you feel you need to fight every battle at every opportunity -knowing you can have a better conversation or debate later when time and setting allows.
True, knowing how to pick your "battles" can be very useful
Is it just me or does this guy keep saying if I have to tell the truth then it makes it harder. Then destiny pretty much calls out yea I’ll never lie in an argument like that.
This wicked guy is clueless about the redpill positions. Endless assumptions.
i've been watching Destiny for a while to make sure i hear both sides or stay balanced but respect for what you did on fresh and fit and am now subscribed respect !
I think the caller did a terrible job of characterizing girls that’s Sneako and Andrew Tate go after by just saying that they’re 18 to 22 chicks with no skills. That is basically just naming any girl in that age range where I feel that many of the girls that I converse with on a daily would have never gone on that show at that age anyways. More specifically he should’ve said Instagram models that are solely on that show to gain followers for their other endeavors such as onlyfans.
I'll say Dan just gave a solid argument that has actually cast doubt on flat earth for me. Thankyou Dan
The peru to nz flight?
It takes 13hrs, not a few.
Works fine on a flay earth map.
@@tradelikezach source?
And he corrected himself later, it's Chile not Peru
get well soon
"actually cast doubt"
Sus
I think flat earthers use the map that has the north pole in the center of the map and the south pole being a wall of ice surounding everything, so New Zeland and Chile are still next to each other.
Dest is constantly evolving and I learn so much from him, my life has been significantly improved just by having my perspective changed. Thanks man DggL
Destiny made the right move not making a big deal about his open relationship.
The more Destiny branches out onto other podcasts, bubbles, and communities, the more Destiny can single-handedly restore some degree of the insanity in these circles. I can't name another person who perforates the narrative and provides actual discussion is going to slowly flip the switch in the circular insanity in the minds of delusion for things like "F&F" or redpill equivalents.
Not to mention what it looks like when these viewers see Destiny trying to steelman arguments they might agree with.
He should restore his future wife.
Lol yea right
Yeah it's going to be super interesting to see him shake the game because you can tell he's about to... He's about to experience an insane amount of growth over the next year
James O' Brian
Wicked would get bodied taking the measures he suggested. A lot of groundwork needs to be laid to even begin to consider his arguments in the rp world
I am one of those people destiny refers to. There is not a single person alive that could convince me to have an open relationship. It is simply not possible. We have such a completely different brain chemistry you might as well try to convince me santa clause is real. There are only a few things like this that feel so completely natural and baseline to me that I know cannot be changed.
Its not about convincing you to bee in one, its that being in an open relationship doesnt make you a c*k...
@@aryzen2781 Oh I agree being a cuck is being a cuck. They just have different definitions of what makes a cuck.
@@aryzen2781 Yea it does. Death by a thousand concessions...ask yourself this... would Destiny's wife be with him if he weren't rich and clouted up? And even then he had to make concessions.. Beta bucks alpha fuc*s...
me too I cant fathom sleeping or checking out another man. When women flirt with my husband it arouses me and I want even more lol
@@aryzen2781 It makes you a degen.
I can’t wait until the comments bring up how destiny is in fact a woman’s name.
I take all pills I don’t see color
My favorite pill is the chill pill
@@Hunterchuck based and chillpilled
Every color combined creates the color black. You took the blackpill.
Have to disagree with Destiny on "men don't actually date down," whenever I've said that men date down I don't mean "young and hot and unaccomplished," I do literally mean "less physically attractive than me" so ACTUALLY dating down based on my own value system. And I absolutely believe men date down by that definition all the time. I'm a pretty solid 7 but I go after women I'd consider a 4 or 5 all the time because I just want SOMETHING and the odds are against you if you're a guy, so your standards have to be low.
you know what, as much as it's gonna be frowned upon, I actually have experienced this and would agree that men do date down. In fact this is one of those anecdotal experiences that give strength to my idea of the dynamics in the dating market being really fucked. I think it's probably the case for other people too.
cope. i see plenty of average and even below guys with cute gfs. the reason you have to date down is probably just because you have nothingh else going for you.
also destiny himself is a living example. do you know what his wife looks like?
They are talking about high value men, would you date down if you had the choice?
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@@ozmantheterrible9837 Yes if your want a good relationship.
One strategy I noticed the Myron guy using a lot was whenever Destiny levied a strong argument against him, he would just say "see I agree with you but" and then move on, so he could avoid having to respond without looking like he's avoiding.
Destiny does this too . Can't mane a specific example off top rn but there's times where someone whose disagree with him makes a pretty solid contradiction in Destiny's point and he'll concede and keep the conversation moving.
That's not a big deal really. Only if they start pushing the same bullshit next day. Women on Twitter who shit on men with propaganda will concede, but they're still gonna go back to hating men and saying "they ain't shit"
@@0doublezero0 Not the same. Destiny was talking about conceding and moving on, but Myron will actually pretend to agree in order to appear consistent.
August is a real saint, thanks for adding the Date to the description!
i really like the idea of getting them to repeat the concession. its like how 60 minutes gets their soundbites by getting the person to repeat exactly have the interviewer said
2:45 Destiny is actually debate Rando from Yu-Yu-Hakusho
(The the first main antagonist who's killed 99 masters... he steals their secret techniques and yadda yadda...)
Based Yu Yu Hakusho reference
@@thesunshinecrew9464 I haven't seen the show in like 17 years! Crazy how kids minds soaks stuff up and solidifies it 🤷♂️
@@Ghee_ButtersnapsOr highly recommend you give it a rewatch. I remember when it was on Toonami
@@thesunshinecrew9464 alright, will do. If I find someone to watch it with... I feel _guilty_ rewatching shit if I'm doing it alone 😅 the last show I rewatched was Death Note with friend a few years back
@@Ghee_Buttersnaps Sounds like a solid plan! The right moment will come.
“Maybe you’re not man enough to handle…”
Why would I need a woman that needs to be handled? Horrible argument.
I’d say fresh and fit thinking was a bit flawed about it but I could see why as they might think it could lead to such a situation same with destiny view on having multiple women could not make you happy or being pretty is shallow and she might be dumb but it could be very wrong
I saw the Aba conversation, the FnF pods, the sneako conversations and been peeking in on your videos, got some things I disagree with but I do appreciate seeing someone on the “other side” (since I’m more center-right leaning) with a more level head than I’ve seen recently, would love to have a debate someday with you
It seems like any pushback will be labelled as "cope"
This comment is coping with cope
That’s like the only retort for 99% of redpillers/ anti SJWs
@@surferOS101 To be fair "cope" is used by both sides.
That might be true, but do you have a valid argument against it, other than "no"
@@surferOS101 SJWs are just pathetic losers. They just want to win an argument to enforce social justice correctness BS. Reality has always been unfair. Fairness were barely something other than anomaly. In most cases, nature and life always works on SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST and MIGHT IS RIGHT argument...
Oh shit destiny really does understand the RP
You're just discovering this now?
I love destiny, he communicates what i fail to :> it's so rare that i find someone so smart and so nice
Weell idk about the "nice" part
@@vidzorko4492 mm i think what i meant by nice wasn't how he talks to ppl, moreso how he's just? And rights the things that are wrong. Like how he rights sneako and stuff!
@@vidzorko4492
Lol
Definitely very smart. Not very nice.
The “men don’t date down” reasoning I feel mostly applies to a red-pill model of values…
Dudes like a middle ground between left and right here to make everyone balanced. The yinyang balancer lol
11:40 think it’s a bit more complicated as in not inferior but in some fields and traits biological and some parts psychological Men have a upper hand in its not like they’ve said it’s impossible or rare to find a successful women but rather what they look for or certain aspects of life are the same now or 500-1000 years ago or 25-50 years into the future like cops military nurses or retail work it’s a simple thing that’s sophisticated and more layered
Hell yeah! Let’s gooo Destiny welcome to the red pill club let sophisticate this country.
There was a really good point made near the end about stable coins. They say every stable coin is backed by 1 american dollar so every stable coin is worth at least 1 american dollar, but in most of these schemes they say theres a lot more money than there actually is. This isnt just fraud, its literally counterfeit
there are some that are actually backed by dollars though (BUSD, USDC from what I remember), but stables like USDT are sketchy and UST/other algorithmic stablecoins are insanely risky when the underlying asset maintaining the "peg" to the dollar are cryptos themselves, not an actual reserve lol
@@seanmundyphoto what i mean is if they say its backed but its not, which is more often than not the case then in practice they are creating american dollars... sure its likely too small to impact the american economy but its in practice the same thing as if i were to make fake american bills and mix it in with my own money. The issue is faking the reserve and then distributing a diluted currency rather than the distribution itself
WickedSupreme has sounded pretty intelligent in most of the discussions I've heard him in except this one. He seems to just not understand the red pill point of view. He semi-understands what they say but he's missing their underlying goal.
He is approaching it like they're a bunch of knuckle draggers who just grunt and fuck women. They are not, their worldview has arisen from a lifetime of modern day man-hating culture. They did not just come up with some shit overnight to get laid, the guys who are really big in that space, are the pioneers of the worldview and thus were not convinced by anyone, they developed it themselves as a means of survival and success. WickedSupreme fails to grasp this, he's suffering the fatal flaw of so many liberals, and that is to view everyone who doesn't subscribe to his worldview, as less than, and thinks you can just go in there and beat them by pretending to be smarter and saying "but what does that say about you hmmmmm" rhetorical bullshit that will get him clowned on and will just look a massive cope. Destiny walked into the lions den representing what is the absolute lowest form of male in their minds, and walked out with their respect. That's impressive as hell.
I came here to see Destiny debating against a blue pill. Instead, he debated a human. Horrible clickbait
"Human"
Now THAT'S debatable!
Then depth of nuance to destiny and his evolution is truly astounding
I like that he is able to really drill down into how people perceive things and how to work around that. This is sort of like the "realpolitik of debate" and I respect that. Unlike NPCs like Vaush that just cycle through a series of pre canned talking points over and over then proclaim victory. 🙄
I think Dan constantly coming in to derail conversations with insane shit might be my favorite thing ever.
Honestly, the open here is so true. Like, a lot of US are probably open to a casual sexual relationship or even an open relationship, although many of us aren’t… but it’s not so foreign a concept to us that we don’t understand that it’s possible and that two people who actually love eachother could do that and be successful in their relationships. To other people who come from more conservative backgrounds… that’s just not a thing that they would ever agree is A) Possible, B) Desirable, and C) Not just cuckoldry by another name. You have to realize that these peoples entire concept of masculinity is providing for a woman so that she doesn’t need to go elsewhere and doesn’t want to. It’s not even a thought in their mind that they could be not enough for any woman in which they would cheat on them if it weren’t some fatal defect in the woman that makes them like ontologically unlovable or unworthy of them in the first place. So the fact that Destiny would even argue the point is to concede in their mind that he’s delusional and doesn’t take himself seriously as a man and she’s warped him so far that he’s no longer to be taken seriously on anything because he’s not really a man by their definition. If he skips over this point, it doesn’t look like it’s some sore spot to him that he needs to justify to these people because he needs them to see him in the same way they see theirselves, it’s more of him just conceding that okay we’re different but he doesn’t feel the need to convince me that it’s superior or equal to my conception of manhood. Of course, some subsection of that kind of community is always going to believe Destiny is incapable of being intelligent or right because of it, but it gives enough people an out that they don’t have to defend their concept of masculinity to him that he’s not seen as challenging their worldview in such a fundamental way as to be no longer worth listening to.
Kyle, Fresh, Fit, and Sneako have said numerous times if a woman cheats on you it's because she doesn't respect you, and it's just in their nature, not because they're ontologically unlovable or unworthy. F&F put the accountability on men for being cheated on and say their advice prevents it. They say "were just tryna teach guys how not to get played and deal with female nature" all the time.
@@spinmaster6995 well, I’m not necessarily critiquing them specifically so much as the audiences that would potentially be listening, and more so that I think Destiny is correct in his assessment that pushing back on the claims that he’s a cuck would necessarily be considered a cope or weakness on Destiny’s part that he’s not enough man to satisfy her or whatever. However, specifically in this I’d be referring to specific women who wouldn’t be swayed from an open relationship, that if they wouldn’t be convinced my these men implementing that advice obviously they wouldn’t consider them to be compatible or lovable in their framework, cause that’s not just a girl cheating but having a fundamentally different view on monogamy and whether it’s even cheating to have an open relationship… like fundamentally they wouldn’t be monogamous and that doesn’t seem to square with their view of women at all, so I don’t think they’d pursue that type of woman knowing that information anyways.
If my Dad let my Mom get fucked by other dudes I would be disgusted. Its just an instinct you are not going to change that with a conversation.
Peru to New Zealand is 13 hours.
I flew from Dallas to Madrid and flew over the Great Lakes. Why?
28:58 LMAO, great impersonation of Haz.
not a regular destiny watcher, im impressed he can play games while making a good argument
I honestly don't know how he does it
His mental faculties are ridiculous to me, especially in multi-tasking. I’ve seen this dude divide his attention between playing games, debating multiple people, and quickly reading lengthy documents without really missing a beat anywhere. It’s really something.
Destiny learned something from Rob? Crazy world.
This is exactly where the cope arises. It's a cope from ever having to be held to standards you can't accomplish/fulfill. that is the reason high on my list as to why destiny is in an "open" relationship. he doesnt like other people holding him to any standards and calling him out on it. it is frankly quite typical of modern day people, and is the source of all this "subjective" morality. it is simply people's ego's defending themselves in the face of being wrong, hop to the "no one else can judge me because it's all subjective" nonsense. so this open relationship simply allows destiny to live with someone who isnt going to be so judgmental or critical of his behavior because she herself isnt all that invested in the relationship anyway, so she doesnt care all that much how destiny is like or what he does, and in that sense sure destiny "likes it," but it is the result of moral failings, plain and simple, and not wanting to be called out on them.
The argument or idea of a stable coin qualifying as counterfeit currency is actually super interesting and is something I've never once thought about
The best reputations are built on honesty and long term accuracy. The things you say now will be available to all for ever - in today’s culture this is even more important than getting one over a soon to be forgotten lying opponent.
I absolutely don’t agree with the whole open relationship thing, but the way you handled it and the way you explain why you handled it in that manner is top notch bro.
What part didn't you agree with?
Haven't gotten to that part yet (just a minute into this vid) but curious as well
I wouldn't like it if my wife fucked other dudes but as long as it's just his own personal decision it's fine. The problem is when guys like destiny start arguing that if you don't let your wife get fucked by other dudes then you are insecure or something is wrong with you.
@@lydiawilder5996 It might not be for them it applies to very small percentage of people is the thing.
@@xbabu142x in the original debate, the thing was the ability of juggling multiple women, which indeed applies to a small minority of men. The polyamory/open relationships thing also applies to a minority, but for different reasons (the first economic, the second cultural/psychological)
I am red pill but destiny you are great at debates. Keep it up stay with your views man I believe it's important to stick with what you believe in thats what makes you a man
28:25
What did Destiny say there? Not a native speaker so I'm a bit lost, the auto-subtitles say "haas and hingle stuff"? 😂
Don’t let these “don’t let these ‘video-specific-topic’” comments distract you from
I think Dan had a good argument for the F E thing. Not sure why they were hating on it.
Because it's a tangent that doesn't matter and he's autisting out on it.
Because the way he brought it up wasn't rhetorically effective. He didn't have some rough hour numbers ready comparing it to the longest flights and the flights he named are still more than 12 hours not just a couple hours, because no one just flies over the south pole to save time because of the harsher weather conditions and stronger magnetic field making navigation and communication harder.
There are more comprehensive arguments out there.
Trying to change someone's mind on such a fundamentally opposed idea should be approached the same way you'd approach trying to befriend a stray cat that won't come out from underneath your car. By not engaging in a debate about it and just owning it and moving on you're pushing forward into more productive topics that you can actually make good points about that even their audience can agree with, a portion of them warm up to you, maybe they watch your videos and eventually they can actually open up to the idea that open relationships aren't so bad because they have some second hand familiarity with the idea through someone they know.
In short, don't try to grab the cat.
A lot of people should use the cat analogy for wanting to have sex with a girl you brought home or went to their house with. Don’t just try to grab for it, make her comfortable first and if you want ultimately as adults let her know you just want to have sex but it should be a relevant topic to even bring that up. Like sex should already be the topic to where you
Say hey look honestly this is why I’m here. Play some music make your move. Easy.
@@pivotninja9 Completely disagree. I think the best way to handle this is via the implication method.
August what is every video you publish , comes in the notifications as videos ? Always queued with the last video ,is this some sort of algorithm trick ?
If set off on having a quid pro quo open relationship this sounds reasonable. However the people you meet will change you and will change your partner. It sounds inherently unstable. Of course you feelings for your partner is not evidence of their feelings for you - so what are your shared commitments? Financial support is shared? Does the openness include raising children regardless of their parentage? Because you would have to support the child of another woman, your partner might expect you to support their child from another man.
DUDE DAN IS SO ANNOYING HE ALWAYS TALKS IN CAPS
Redpill Arc, break out the popcorn.
19:36 Fail. People act on incentives. All of them. If someone is calling out the danger of engaging in behaviour, that makes someone happy only short-term and messes things up longterm, this someone is talking about mechanism. The mechanisms are true for Florida night club girls, average women, all sorts of career women, below average women.
The "they focus only on women like x and y, thus it isn't really true..." talking point is missing the point.
17:53 in my anecdotal experience as well as in the retrospective-studies/polls I’ve read on the matter- it seems as though women participate in “slut-shaming” significantly greater than their male counter-parts. A theory I’ve heard that could be contributing, is that there’s biological incentive or predisposition in women to value status disproportionately. This is very self-evident regarding their sexual/romantic preferences, but also in that other women being more promiscuous in a given community, drives their (good god I hate this term but it’s the best way to describe this) sexual market value down, in effect forcing the women to be more promiscuous to maintain their high status.
Myron basically wants a Fleshlight that can be a maid/personal assistant
Like a Roomba with a hole in it.
Most men* throughout history
The perfect woman
But that has no skills to ever make her an effective personal assistant because that would make her too masculine lul
Yet evsry caller on his stream proved Myron right.
Pretty sure I saw a flat earth thing about wind tunnels or something that would counter Dans gotcha. Destiny’s right, cause I’ve been down the rabbit hole a bit: to disprove a serious flat earther you would prolly want a masters or PhD in some related science. You need to be able to synthesize and explain complex physics that AP physics just won’t do
That's only if you come at it from scientific perspective, flat earth can be debunked just from a social one. It's pretty simple: who the fuck is running such a tight conspiracy that every scientist is in on it with NO LEAKS? Even if you could run such an operation why would you convince people the earth is flat instead of doing literally anything else with that kind of power?
Edit: I asked a flat-earther in another thread what is the goal of conspiracy, and the short version is "we don't for sure, but it's gotta be big!"
This was by no means a stupid person, they have a rebuttal for several physics arguments (just like Destiny said they would), and yet they still don't have a satisfying answer for why and how this conspiracy is happening.
Naw, I've literally seen the curvature of the earth with the naked eye. All you need is a shoreline
@UCZsTQfDRSuK8BojThjXpp-w Dan jumps in for a moment around the middle of the video
Clubbing for us and my friends was all about drinking, dancing and the music and just have a good time, and this was always the case for everyone I knew. For getting laid? Tinder
TIL Destiny understands the red pill wayy more than I expected
@@Yuvraj. Oh snap I forgot to reply to this. I was just surprised that he understood the losing battle of the open relationship, his friends didn't seem to grasp that but he knew right off the jump. There was probably a few other tidbits as well but I can't quite remember then atm.
Destiny cappin here giving valuable info to his opponents. I never even knew he bluffs in his arguments
What are you talking bout?
Well he doesn't do it anymore because of the consequences of it going wrong.
There's nothing valuable about know he *used* to bluff.
@@aacc3585 What part was too hard for you to understand? There were only two sentences
12:05 "Rhetorical Jiu-Jitsu" is my new favorite phrase
12:05 "Rhetorical Ju-Jitsu" I love it
@Destiny can you please enable that "most watched" feature on the UI?
But for real if you don't mind your woman getting railed by other people you have something wrong in your mind, not in a bad way but it might be a mental illness, just like how psychopaths don't get the feeling of empathy towards other people or something
Exactly, also, most guys who have their wife getting railed by other people don't like it whatsoever deep down which is why they have to eroticize it in order to cope, that's why so many get turned on by it because that's the only way they can cope with it. Destiny on the other hand was probably born without the ability to feel jealousy to be honest
How is it "wrong" if it's not in a bad way? Yeah, it's definitely unusual, but it's ultimately just a personality quirk that doesn't negatively affect them or others. Everyone is abnormal in some aspects, and choosing to hyperfocus on one that is ultimately insignificant and say that something is wrong in their brain because of it just doesn't make much sense.
@@zachs.4371 It means you don't respect yourself enough to demand exclusivity, and it goes both ways
Tbh not wanting to be monogamous like fit. Who wants have value meaning could also suggest thier is something is wrong with thier mind
@@zachs.4371 It means that not feeling any negative feelings is not normal, you either don't love this person or you have something wrong with you, like how psychopaths don't feel guilt or empathy
Ive heard destiny say this multiple times now, and I think its very misinformaed, its in regards to "woman wont date down". I agree with his overall point if you frame it in the way he said it, but the problem with it is the "dating down" talking point is specifically about socio-economic value, and hypergamy. It was never about pointing out that woman are valued for their looks and men are valued for their production, every single red pilled person agrees with this.
So woman generally don't date down and woman are hypergamous, but this was all within the frame of socio-economic value
I didn’t watch it but the assumption that Leo is dating down is absurd. Those women are in his league. They have as many options of men to date as Leo has of women. Women’s economic level is irrelevant when it comes to which league they are in.
@@0doublezero0 Well to be fair, I think you are missing the broader context here.
A market correlate in of itself isn’t justification for different metrics for what is considered dating down, as I imagine what is considered “ dating down “ is not entirely used in the descriptive sense, and sort of has a moral consideration here as well.
Feel free to correct me if I am wrong about this assumption, hear me out:
The term seems to be to me, premised with the assumption of an equal standard when assessing what is “dating down “ between the two sex’s since originally, it was used as a critique of women not reframing their societal expectations despite now having comparable economic success to men, and now being able to play the game economically with the same rules.
This is leverage men gave up due to feminism, so men’s response here is like, ok now that we’ve given you this thing, why are you still functioning as if this is previous market state.
The argument I often see here is, if women and men are held to the same standard, women are almost never dating down; and, it’s this very difference in rules for the game that leads guys to take the red-pill, and make this 80-20 argument.
Because, according to this new superimposed market, what ends up being the case is the only men that are dating down is the wealthiest 20 percent, making the other 80 percent something women consider “ dating down”.
Men don’t think it’s fair for it to be thought this way because it leads to this weird state of the average man no longer being good enough for the average women when this beauty part is not taken out of the equation, which ironically, is just more TRP and black pill fuel, because women are just becoming more and more advantaged in the dating market.
It leads to this recognition that women don’t care about being “fair”, so they turn into these Uber pragmatic borderline sociopathic dating demons to compensate for the skewed market.
You see how this goes full circle ?
There is a double standard in the dating market, women broke down the double standards disadvantageous to them, and continue to hold men to the traditional standard.
Aba and Preach have an old video showing this phenomenon: ruclips.net/video/K9_cJ99Uyk4/видео.html
I might have not expressed myself well since i am extremely hungover, but what I am trying to say here is, super imposing these markets, and having women consider 80 percent of men dating down after incorporating beauty, is just an argument in support of TRP, and idk if destiny wants to do that.
@@0doublezero0 if you are a billionaire you can choose any gold digger you want, not any women. You need people skills and charisma for that, which anybody can have. Being rich and famous might make it easier for a girl to end up in your bedroom, but not any easier to form actual relationships
@@hunterb7549 RP isn't about having relationships with women, it's about getting them in the bedroom.
@@lydiawilder5996 I don’t disagree, or it seems they confuse those as being the same thing, high schooler mentality relationships
Prof Dave makes a bit of debates on conspiracy stuff n its really funny, if u want check it out Steve!
Agree or not with Destiny, he’s very good at Steelmaning other peoples point of view. One of the few people I’ve heard lately that doesn’t immediately start attacking a straw man or default to their own preconceived logical fallacies. Sometimes he doesn’t nail it, but he usually does.
I believe the important thing he does is hold people accountable to their words and takes. So as soon as you say something that's contradicting or lacking consistency, he uses your own weapon against you which is top notch bringing awareness to people and some of their flawed views. He also says it straight instead of moving around the bend. Like, he'll ask F&F a direct yes-no question and they won't just answer it without generalizing in some sort of round-about way, which tells the audience that Destiny won his point.
I didnt realize that flat earthers had arguments that are this robust. i actually just thought that they were all too stupid to grasp the scale of the earth vs its curvature.
I would love to see Destiny prepare a positive flat earth debate just for the experience
There are videos on RUclips showing 0 curvature over tens of miles of water.
According to globe earth science, there should be thousands of feet of curvature in front of these landmarks and mountains and buildings in these videos
@@tradelikezach Every single one of those videos is based on a misunderstanding or refraction. You need high school level physics to debunk it lmao
@@MrRazmut your comment shows you don't care about an honest discussion.
@@tradelikezach Lmao, what? No, I've just actually looked into flat earth arguments instead of going with the gut feeling that they make sense. There are even channels like Reds Rhetoric and FTFE that will do the work for you if you don't wanna do any math yourself, because they've heard every flat earth argument a hundred times over
@@MrRazmut you don't seem reasonable.
God I hope destiny goes on Joe Rogan 🙏 that would make my year
Average direct flight time is 13 hours 22 minutes.
The fastest direct flight from Peru to New Zealand is 13 hours 22 minutes.
Yeah, this s-word is not going to convince aaany flat earthers
Whose the guy who talked to destiny during the crypto section?
Marriage is like: 'oh, now we're exclusive'
Open marriage: 'oh, were exclusive but actually not in the slightest'
Monogomy: emotionally exclusive, sexually exclusive;
Open relationship: emotionally exclusive, not sexually exclusive;
Polyamory: not emotionally exclusive, not sexually exclusive.
dating to anyone outside of a open-relationship is also exclusivity so comparison doesn't really work at all
I also think “redpill” people get a lot of shit from normies or the “bluepill” people because they’re looking to improve themselves and people want to keep people where they are because their easier to control.
Women HATE guys that try to increase their status. Women want someone who is “natural”.
Well that's the problems with blues in general, they entire indoctrinated existence stems from denialism, and part of self-improvement means understanding that you can't fundamentally buy into denial because it runs contradictory to improvement.
It's like trying to find a solution to something you don't consider a problem, if you don't consider it a problem in the first place, then you can't find a solution for it.
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What was the name of that woman he debated that he just started making up personal anecdotes?
I'm new to listening to Destiny. This was a really enjoyable conversation. His counterparts have a lot of value they bring to the table.
Both sides are different and unique both good and bad it’s like different lifestyles and cultures some want one thing while others see the same thing and do something different to there liking it all goes down to preference and choices relationships vary to a wide and extreme degree like having a sahm or partner with a job living in a small town or a city
What is the “bad” side to the lifestyle that Destiny is prescribing?
@@untilco I get what you’re saying, but to be fair that is the red pill interpretation of the blue pill, not what Destiny is teaching. Destiny specifically said to learn a trade or go to school and find something unique that you can add to the world from a business perspective.
@Andrew Cox guess bad depending on views/stance as you could focus too much on job and hobbies and reach a age to where you are bit sad and mad that you didn’t focus on relationships earlier or a different lifestyle could’ve been better on how you want to live or work some would be happier working in a small town rather then city or Stay at home vs working it’s a subjective experience that shows both views have some merit and credibility to both arguments
Damn, the content stream has been steady, good stuff. Unsubscribed.
you should debate rollo when he visits f&f
22:40 Who did the guy say has a good paradox for that? “Irelaman”?
Ahrelevant
@@WickedSupreme Thank you.
Every single man in an open relationship would rather only his end be open. Destiny even seems to admit this when he says he wants to be promiscuous therefore he cant tell his wife not to be, implicit in this reason is that he would rather she not. I very much doubt that if Destiny's wife told him that she doesn't want to have sex with other guys but he can still have sex with other women and she is completely happy in this arrangement that he wouldn't like that more. This is the fundamental truth that Destiny seems to avoid, if he would just admit this fact and then go into the calculation as to why he will put up with it that would be one thing, but to pretend he has overcome human biology is kind of crazy. Unless he is some outlier in human behaviour or has specifically trained himself to ignore certain things, which is possible. But even then that is only a personal preference and not a way to organise society.
Well, with regard to your last part, I don’t think he’d ever argue that open relationships are a better dynamic for society; and, I think empirically even, the sort of instability open relationship tend to have, for most people, creates significantly worse outcomes for children.
So, I don’t think he’d be so stupid to say that, if remember correctly, he actually probably agree that we shouldn’t organize society in that way
1. He explicitly says that he doesn't think most humans can handle open relationships
2. It doesn't implicitly follow that he would prefer his wife not to sleep with other dudes at all.
@@bluegaming1346 Interesting choice of words, most humans cant handle open relationships? Why you want to handle an open relationship would be the real question.
It kind of does follow. I do X therefore I cant tell my wife not to do X implies that you want to tell her not to but are held back by the fact you would be a hypocrite. Otherwise you would say something more along the lines of I do X and my wife does X, or we both do X.
@@bluegaming1346 but he can? Doesn't he the only reason he is in an open relationship is because he doesn't have a choice for it to be open on both ends?
The amount of hubris it takes to say Most people
Every single man that feels onetis and missing the woman and not just pussy they are not gonna be able to sleep around.If you any send them my way I'll make a bet, higher the better.
14:57
Destiny, he's talking about an elevator Earth conspiracy theory.
The "we're constantly going up and that explains gravity" wasn't created by conspiracy theories... it was based on Einsteins theories. Most physicists accept that. Its relativity. It has nothing to do with the earth being flat. It's just physics you legitimately learn in university.
Anyone who hears this theory and calls it a flat earth conspiracy theory is to say the least, extremely misunderstanding it
BUT YOU FORGOT ABOUT THE BOLSHVEK EXTRACTION IS 1866 hahahahhaahhahahaaha
Would love to see rollo and destiny face to face. The whole Mikhela Peterson thing with all the stuff he was saying before versus when they spoke. Is a prime example. However after they spoke he just doubled down.
@Destiny are you training your brain to be able to multitask when you choose to have these debates while playing a video game that requires some level of focus?
Other than him having big working memory, I don't know how he does it everytime he speaks with other people. Even when debating, he is playing difficult games.
Myron is listening and taking copious notes on how to debate and present arguments.
Does someone know the name of the finnacne guy that they were speaking to??
Guessing the international date line would be the flat earth defense.... Dan
Destiny needs more biological anthropology knowledge to hit these redpill guys on the fundamentals.
Yeah to honest I haven't been watching too much of it because it's like watching two blind men arguing about the color of a rainbow. "Is it red or blue?" Well it's both and some other colors.
What are some good sources to learn more about this?
yeah he was just stumped when that guy on fnf pulled the 17 women reproduced for every man meme for instance. it's like he's shooting first and asking questions later which makes their claims look more compelling than they are.
@@cripplingautism5785 bro I don't understand. Most of you don't see biology or are too hard headed to counter biology. Why do male lions kill other man's offspring and take over the pride? Are there some weird male lions who are too old to compete or too weak to fight may not do it, that doesn't mean most strong powerful normal male lions do that. Why most of you are too adament and stuck in your own ways to enforce social constructs as reality. Reality has always been MIGHT IS RIGHT and SIRVIVAL OF THE FITTEST. In reality, people like Destiny were unsullied servants and nothing more throughout history. There has been no real use of people like him other than now with twitch and other ways to earn money. But we can't undo millions of years of biology!
@@Ignozi Maybe the book series "The Rational Male" and the author's RUclips channel "Rollo Tomossi".
Heck, he said it himself that if the space they were in was a company then Fresh and Fit is the marketing team and he, himself (Rollo Tomossi) is research & development.
Hypergamy has arguably left its mark in our genes since, when one compares Y chromosome variability vs mitochondrial DNA variability, we can estimate that around 8-10k years ago one male reproduced for every 17 females that did. Now the problem is not nearly as bad (thanks to cultural tech such as marriage and the development of civilization), but worse than the recent past due to the "globalization" of the sexual market, so to speak. The widest mismatch happened during the (technological) neolithic agricultural revolution. The evolutionary (hunter-gatherer) trend is actually around 2:1 (genetic average). Civilization shifted the numbers closer to 1:1 (probably more like 1.2:1), and modernity (industrial revolution, birth control pill, no fault divorce, office jobs, affirmative actions, social media, etc.) is reverting it towards a 2:1 ratio again.
what is the basis for the assumption that the gap is all or mostly due to 'hypergamy'? you have to take into account men dying early in war and women being raped as spoils of war. i'd also expect to see wealthy polygamous men's genetic lineage to be overrepresented because it'd have a higher chance of surviving. also are you aware of whether or not the study controlled for the fact that the Y chromosome isn't passed on if the father only has daughters?
@@cripplingautism5785 War has only gotten more destructive, so it is unlikely that was the reason behind that bottleneck since the discrepancy does not follow the changes in war. In the paper that analyzed this gender fitness difference maximum they mention, if I remember well, the enabling of wealth accumulation (agriculture) is presented as one of the possible and most likely reasons (paired with hypergamy, but we could use another term if you think that one is charged). If you check the study, you must search for Ne (effective size I think its the term).
@@sebastiansirvas1530 nah apparently it is because of war between patrilineal clans that caused that genetic effect. the idea that each man who was reproducing was banging 17 women at once is honestly just dumb. there's no way that'd make for a sustainable society and also it'd cause massive inbreeding issues.
Societies had developed and grown in complexity around extended kinship groups, many of which were patrilineal clans. While women effectively entered the clan upon marriage, the men in each clan were all related through male ancestors, and therefore would all have the same Y-chromosome.
Naturally, this would only apply to each individual clan. Given geographical considerations, time, and intermarriage between clans, what was once a significant amount of variation in Y-chromosome differences would shrink to favor those who were strongest according to natural selection-and that is without the consideration of the additional wars fought for dominance and supremacy, which would add an extra factor into the ever-shrinking pool of Y-chromosomes.
Testing of the hypothesis was done using mathematical models and computer simulations in which men fought and died for the resources their clans required for survival.
The simulations displayed that wars between patrilineal clans caused drastic reductions in Y chromosome diversity over time, while conflict between the control group of non-patrilineal clans-defined as groups where both men and women could move between clans-did not.
@@cripplingautism5785 "As the drop of male to female Ne does not seem to be limited to a single or a few haplotypes (Supplemental Fig. S3), selection is not a likely explanation"
Also the original statement was about the gender ratio of those that managed to reproduce and its relation to hypergamy, which would be mediated by increased male reproductive success chance that is partially culturally inherited (here increased wealth through accumulation, and social hierarchy, would play a role), associated in that particular disparity with changes in social structure (including how it is determined which members take the risk in case of conflict, specially through wealth/social status). It was not about if it is an stable state (in fact it was suggested the contrary) or how many females was the local chad banging while everyone just watched lol. The paper does mention competition between demes, so there is that too.
They neither want or need a 'professional, strong, woman', so why try to convince them of that?
What game is he always playing I wanna try it