Regarding the topic of platforming people with dangerous ideas. I think it has to be done carefully, with clarifying questions and pushback. Unfortunately, before Destiny arrives, Nick Fuentes just had the floor and presented his ideas as reasonable, WITH MINIMAL PUSHBACK FROM ABA OR ANYONE ELSE. I think some of the black creators may have felt pressured to be "nice" to Nick.
You should definitely have a livestream conversation with Xanderhaul on RUclips about leftists not wanting other youtubers to platform other political figures they disagree with.
i wanted to say ur ability to steelman red pill content is more important than you realize, i think it puts you in the race, it doesn’t just put you ahead at least for me.
For Aba not being a big debate guy, he did a great job with that “black catholic vs white buddhist” question, and then decided to take up the role of being a moderator seamlessly without being asked
I just wish Mr. God-piller could have laid the smack-down a little harder on that one. The thing that I hate most about these goons like Fuentes is hiding behind a cross when they clearly have zero idea what they are supposed to believe and in the process smear their racist BS onto billions of believers around the globe. I appreciate what push-back they did give, but they could've gone all around the Bible Old Testament, New Testament and Catholic Catechism to make that little boy look silly. And Aba's set-up was golden for all of that, and once you tear away Fuentes facade of a spiritual grounding you know put one of his rhetorical cornerstones.
I wouldn't say he didn't know what to talk about. It's hard to engage in discussion and keep things on track. He just leaning into keeping it from devolving into a shouting match that jumps from b to a to z then p
Are we all in agreement that RUclips people are infinitely more interesting than Twitch streamers? The past few months has been some of Destinys best content in a long time.
Twitch politics is a progressive circle jerk, for sure. Twitch in general has been declining in quality for a while, so it's inevitable that the good shit would shift entirely onto RUclips when Destiny was banned.
@@jarofpickles4057 that's because anyone who does say the fer left talking points immediately gets banned, you can't be a vocal moderate on twitch and have an income
@@richardnixon7248 I don't see the bridge burning, unless either one gets involved in some serious controversy, where the other has to cut ties. It'd have to be some hardcore controversy to burn the bridge, considering how these two are.
Destiny, don't feel bad for jumping in, as an old sneako viewer I like your presence to keep him in check and bring a more balanced viewpoint. And most other viewers have nothing against you.
@Omegaluck he is, don't you guys notice that in a debater's stand point sneako is not really knowledgeable on a lot of stuff so he chooses to leach on the other person that has more knowledge on that topic (it applies to both destiny and nick)
@Omegaluck see I don't think he has any grounded beliefs. Sneako comes off as a very impressionable kid parroting opinions he's heard without properly understanding their ramifications.
@Omegaluck He did change. He wanted 20 spiritual women, or 4 wives. Now he just wants 1 wife and a couple girlfriends. He stated this publicly. Progres
@@romnesia7729 oh boi you'd be surprised 5 years 10 years later seeing him happily married with one wife and nick have a bunch of mix babies with a women of color. I feel like sneako has always been this egotistical guy where he said he wanted some wild stuff. During the 2018 era sneako was wayyy happier with he's first girlfriend from south Africa that did not go on the open relationship bs he did with he's second girlfriend.
Yes but also sneako is so dumb. Destiny calling him ”an incredibly intelligent 22 year old” is so cringey. Sneako doesn’t have the ability to talk about anything
Yea I agree, but I don't blame Destiny for it. Any time he used to make even slightly edgy jokes the soy boy far left people in his audience would write mental health short stories in his reddit explaining why joking about anything is insensitive and why he needs to be held to a higher standard. Luckily, it seems that most of those people are gone to Hasan and Vaush these days, thank the lord. Most insufferable mfs alive
I'm very glad that Aba and Destiny are still able to have these convos. They bring a lot of sense and good faith in a world of agendas and insecurities.
You mean blk women. The only outrage is when it’s a Blk man dating out. The blk community in America is run by women so anytime it’s a blk woman dating out it’s “you go girl”, but if it’s a blk man there’s a problem
I agree with Destiny in how he said left leaning debaters tend to flop in debates against conservative talking points because they miss the root arguments. They can’t understand how they got to their own opinions, and as long as you don’t understand what’s being argued you’ll never be able to debate against them well.
@@EsotericOccultist no just that they don't know fully how to support their argument. A good example is the earth being round, this is a fact yet a lot of people won't be able to think of how to prove it(not taking into account the obvious "just go to space") without researching.
@@EsotericOccultist You can debate a position that's verifiably false, but if you come off strong in your demeanor and rhetoric, you can get viewers to believe/think that you won the debate. Not everyone cares to prioritize truth or legitimacy like that, especially when you factor in people's preconceived biases.
@@EsotericOccultist a lot of these ideas are new, ofc people who aren’t great at debating wouldn’t know what to argue, that’s why people who argue old traditional shit know what to say cause those things have been argued to death
I honestly think most people are tribal and don't really think of their own positions that much. They just trickled down to them through their surroundings or some kind of emotions, maybe they know or care about one issue they perceive their party to be better on. It's really only a small percentage that engage in this political discourse. Look at turnouts for local elections and you get the idea.
@@NolenGYT I'd rather watch Sneako and Nick Fuentes take tag team shits on destiny's stream than watch anything having to with the incredibly overrated MrGirl, twitch lefties, Modern Day debate, trans debates, D&D, Factorio, or League. ...the bar is pretty low for actual entertainment.
Well all I’m gonna say is thank goodness Destiny, Jidion and Aba were on that panel. Actually there was very little pushback until Destiny showed up. So yeah, platform these people all you want but you better be ready for it. And until Destiny showed up the other guys were making Nick look like the silly lovable uncle at a family dinner.
Jidion didn't do well to me. He was the emotional guy there not making many solid points. I think I'm opposition to Nick that held their own was destiny aba and the black guy with dreads that was also conservative. He was also religious and was able to poke holes in Nick argument using their shared religion.
Destiny is one of the only libs I can listen to without my body producing large quantities of estrogen. It's admirable he can understand opposing viewpoints without agreeing and not just spew insults as a response.
@Jumplify you understand that the right has always been obsessed with lgbt issues just as much left? The only difference is that they’re on the opposite sides of the argument
@@EsotericOccultist You evil insidious despicable unlovable pile of human filth none of us would dare challenge opposing viewpoints with just insults, ever. Argument one.
Super happy that Aba is in this sphere. I really like his RUclips channel but preach can be exhausting after a while. Hearing Aba just conversation with Destiny is what I need.
I believe ideas should be examined and tried in public forums. These things need to be hashed out. In my life, seeing some positions be soundly defeated by better ideas had been a deradicalizing force for me. It has kept me from some of the more extreme views my side could be prone to. As a result, I absolutely despise people who advocate for deplatforming. They are weakening their own positions and contributing to the radicalization of people on both sides.
@@NothingElseMattersJM I disagree. I think the most extreme bad ideas should be examined and debunked publicly, if possible. The audience might have changed and may need a reminder of the superior position. Also, previously weak ideas might have been tweaked and require re-examination. It's this constant refining that let's us arrive at a more solid, objective truth about subjects.
@@NothingElseMattersJM literally the only thing you achieve by deplatforming and refusing to challenge the people spousing those ideas is empower them, because then they can easily claim they are right without ever being challenged, and a lot of people will be convinced by that since nobody stands up and challenges them. Legit the only people that think this is good is those that are just so hecking mentally fragile that even the idea that somebody could be allowed to proclaime they believe in "X" idea scares them on a fundamental leve, but the irony is that they are the ones empowering the same things that they don't want to exist by doing so.
@@georgek2092 Disinformation is a four letter word to me. Bad faith arguments can be easily called out. If someone is trolling, their ideas won't hold up on their own. It's ok to dismiss disingenuous notions. The idea of dismissing "so-called" harmfull notions that are being sincerly represented is where the line is being crossed in my mind.
19:01 Yo, that reflective pause into humility/empathy combo got me. Really pleased to see you growing, Big D. It's not that you're wrong when you get triggered - it's just a lot harder to communicate and you've learned that like a fuckin champ.
Yeah, wish he would've stuck with it. He isn't charitable at all toward the leftists mentioned in this video, twice now(at 19:37 and 32:30) he's made extreme strawman arguments instead of actually arguing their ideas. Noah never said to deplatform 'anyone with different ideas', just the actual nazis. Most leftist won't say 'you can't do anything about it, it's all systemic', they say a lot of it's systemic and let's do something about THAT. It bums me out when he's so charitable towards redpill crazies and not at all towards the left.
"People are different, and by that I mean that some are inherently less intelligent, more violent and if they were to start breeding more than whites in the USA that would be a problem."
The tactics of speaking to these people in a demeaning way or not talking about the subjects that are very much a reality for certain people. Is the same tactic that dare tried to use to get kids off of drugs and look at how that’s panning out.
Listening to this made me think about something. About how the internet sorta goes in cycles regarding politics. Back in the day, I remember the "atheist" phase, from 2008 to 2012, the internet was fairly left-leaning, with lots of people denouncing their christian families as bigots and stuff like that. Then came 2014 and GamerGate happened, the internet mostly turned right-wing and being a somewhat edgy anti-SJW was fun and nice. GamerGate itself lasted for like a month (maybe even less), but it had an effect for years. This trend came to a quite abrupt end on 2017 when Charlottesville happened and almost the whole internet started looking at the right with the contempt it rightfully deserves. BreadTube capitalized on this anti-right-wing feeling, and from 2018 to 2020, the internet turned very left-wing, and I mean VERY left-wing. People were calling themselves communist without even the slightest shred of shame. But then came the Kenosha riots of 2020, and leftists started justifying arson, looting, shoplifting, theft and top it all off, started attacking the idea of self-defense. A lot of people started being more introspective regarding BreadTube and realized how deeply pseudo-intellectual and plain wrong these creators are. As of today, BreadTube is dead and no leftist channel is reporting substantive growth. Fast forward to today, and the red pill saw a sudden resurgence, and seems like the internet is turning right-wing again, with a heavy tint of populism. I'm not sure how long this trend will last, maybe it will last 4 years, or maybe it dies next year. Who knows. All that matters is that Destiny is willing to go against whatever harmful political idea is trendy on the internet, both left and right. And I think he's very important in this space.
You're observance of the timeline is right. Everything you said is true, 15 years just ZOOMED on by and 4 shifts have happened. The difference here a lot of redpill with they "right wing turn" there's a lot of black, hispanic and asian men at the forefront of this and a lot of leftist are stuck. Like they can talk shit yet they can't at the same time because of their own preaching. They make it seem liek redpill is a bunch of white people there's like maybe 3 white redpill channels that are decent in their ways. Leftists avoid talking about their side being toxic on tiktok and twitter, yet complain when the other side makes videos and or simply reposts the content for others to see.
@@diegoseba12 yep they ghost comments they don't like which further proves what you said in your statement about the internet taking a hard left to the left. I honestly think this redpill stuff has a good 3 years left before the hard mass censorship officially starts because you better believe the people that run these companies are very aware of every single person that talks or touches on these sorts of topics. Destinys channel will be collateral damage when it starts because he's connected to them same with Aba and Preach. Right now they're employing soft censorship like ghosting comments, deranking their content in the algorithm by recommending it to less people, making sure it will never get on trending and also shadow banning their channels on Google. It will literally take them nothing to do it. As easy as changing a 1 to a 0.
Coming from further right a long time ago, I feel myself being pushed back that way when you retweet certain insane ppl (even when you rebut their statement), so I understand why ppl dont want to platform certain ppl. At the same time, I’m thankful you do it and have the tougher conversations. I rly hope you do that Change My Mind-esque segment that you’ve discussed in the past.
21:30 One of the main reasons why I watch Destiny is to understand the argument better and learn how to counter the opposing views with an adequate rebuttal to persuade or shade light on the fact of the matter.
I’ll be real did not like Aba at first but the more he talks the more I like him. Not agree with his view points fully but he’s not grifting or unhinged and it’s nice to have actual issues talked about instead of the political polarization and culture wars people want. They are fun but it’s not the real world with live in people have a wide variety of beliefs
This conversation perfectly describe my problem with bredtube. I agree that some of the issues they talk about are important but a lot of the people in bredtube spaces are boring, scared of conflict and treat their viewers like children. Like they stop being, I literally a clip of a left leaning youtuber being scared about discussing approach cuz he doesn't want to be cancelled. On one hand I can definitely sympathize but then this men made a couple videos on how the manosphere is bad and provides no healthy alternatives. Like what expect people to do?
Honestly, I think Destiny is doing a great job deradicalizing people. I definitely don't agree with him on most of his political stances, but the fact that he cares enough to actually hear what his opponents have to say has done more to bring me back towards the center than every other person I've seen online combined.
Aba was fantastic as an impromptu moderator, an every man who kept things simple, equal and honest everywhere But also please don't lump all of us conservatives in with fuentes's extremism lol
I don't think people lump all conservatives in the same camp as Nick. The problem is the same we have here on the left. The loudest of those on the left are the far left progressives so the majority of opinions people see are the anti-capitalism, socialism, extremes & put all of us on the left in the same camp as them when the majority of us lefties are more like Destiny then them. Same thing happens on the right. The majority of people aren't terminally online so they don't discuss their beliefs & politics. They just live their lives. It's the loudest voices on either side that come from the extreme ends of both sides. My dad was a conservative before he passed away & I know he wouldn't recognize the public persona of the right today if he was still here. We're all on a political spectrum. Just seems the loudest are the ones who belong on other spectrums as well. Lol.
Regarding Aba's statement (when playing devil's advocate) that Destiny platforming bad people multiple times is just for entertainment... Yes it's true that Destiny has had several debates with Nick, he's had countless more discussions with him, probably dozens of hours worth of discussion is available online between the two of them... And yet even with all of that available Aba, Jideon and the rest clearly hadn't seen any of it. I would imagine a good portion of the audience hadn't either. That's why it makes sense for Destiny to continue to speak to him. Not everyone has seen the entire Destiny box set. Ideas evolve and change as well. ... Plus it's always a gold star stream when Nick and Destiny debate.
Nick utilizes something called double speak. It's extremely easy to spot when you know how to look for it. He'll say something like he wants a "white core" and then make a whole bunch of qualifying statements about how he doesn't want to segregate black people or whatever. His audience already know what they want but outsiders might be disarmed by the qualifying language.
vaush had me thinking that destiny was one of these fake liberals like tim pool but watching him over these past few weeks shown me that i aligns more times than i don't. i am glad destiny held nick to task during that stream because nick can be dangerous if no one is there to challenge him.
There's debates, and then there's 'debates'. You can tell people to 'have a conversation' all you want, but a person like Sneako approaches debates entirely differently when compared to Destiny. The Sneako-type isn't there to discuss anything. He's there to sling as much dirt as possible at his opponent, make noise and ignore arguments. It's very easy for him to 'debate' this way because he's not putting any part of himself out there, he can 'debate' 10 people at once with this approach 'cause it doesn't matter whether he's right or wrong. Destiny needs to carefully think things through, adress each argument thoughtfully and make sure he is charitable to both the left and the right while doing so. He needs to put up with all kinds of stressful shit and do his best to fact-check everything whilst talking. It's a whole other world. And last, if you add any easily targeted minority into the mix, it's even worse for them. You say they ought to join the call and 'debate' lest they're cowards, but so many people in these comments do not understand that this 'marketplace of ideas' isn't fair ground. If you are trans, the moment you put yourself out there, you will be targeted and dogpiled by anonymous haters potentially for the rest of your life. Same thing goes for most women online. It's just not a fair place, and it's very understandable that they would simply opt out of having a conversation, especially when the Sneako-type is only there to ruin everything.
That also ties in to the selection bias of F&F. The women that are willing to go on a manosphere podcast viewed by millions, are not average women. They are influencers, wannabe celebrities, artists and models who chase fame and money. They are usually uneducated, not very bright and only there for more insta followers, making them easy opponents in a discussion.
Ok to be fair nick fuentes is banned from literally everywhere and harassed to the point people call his employers to get him fired. Sneako is just forcing peoples ideas to be challenged in real time and usually he makes himself look like an idiot. Nick i could maybe argue is harmful platforming but not debating sneako is just cowardice. edit: or not cowardice but i dont think its harmful, a waste of time at worst imo
@@astashasta1 debating sneako is useless lmfao he literally said "well I don't trust ALL of the restaurants" to destiny asking "you trust chefs at a restaurant to make you food that doesn't hurt you, right?" - it's just pedantic performative bullahit
@@rumbleizer Well I disagree because we've seen a pretty fair amount of sneako and fresh n fit fans who have said destiny has and to some degree aba have given them a 'new perspective to consider' to paraphrase/summarize a bit. Even if you only reach 2% of them I'd argue its worth it to challenge their echo chambers as long as you're not making an ass of 'your side'.
Yup but theyll try their darnedest to tear down his spirit because theyve been commissioned to by evil forces which noticed a threat from loud, unvaxed Sneako!!!
Idk. There were many times while Destiny pushed back on his bullshit & you can see that Sneako felt dumb as fuck but covered it up with jokes. That feeling of being dumb as fuck are the planted seeds being watered. He'll get there some day, hopefully.
I dont know if you have already but, along the topic of having discussions with people of radical ideology it may be in your interest to research or some commentary on Daryl Davis
I asked him a question on a Livestream a few months back, he seems like a really cool dude. He even said "people come up to me and ask me what's going on? (actual racist people) And I tell them if you spoke to other people you'd know what's going on"
I found destiny thru dr k, whom I found thru aba. When they first started talking I was so excited :3,,, now that they're having convos often, I'm happy. BOTH VERY GOOD
But honesty often means showing your hand. This is where I’m coming from with my opinion on Nick - he’d be harmless to me because 1) I know exactly where he stands and 2) he wouldn’t treat me like shit, despite where he stands. He’s smart enough to be more dangerous but chooses not to be, and still seems to vibe with people based on their character. Same way I like you, even though you’re for vaccine mandates 😜
Around the 28-35 min mark, man some great points coming from a libertarian that’s more leaning right. Super great convos from both Aba and destiny, that’s why normal people from both sides like them so much
I know it's kinda off topic but since Destiny brought it up in this video. I really gotta say destony is super hung up on the "Breonna Taylor being shot while sleeping thing." Destiny wants to defend those cops so badly but he just can't find any arguments to do it. If Destiny is so caught up on the minor lies of the case how come he doesn't focus on the lie that Kenneth Walker shot a cop. Ballistic evidence shows that Walker wasn't the one who shot the cop, why doesn't Destiny docus in that. We all know why
The reason why he brings it up is because it's a perfect example of how the far left changes the facts of situations to make it worse than it is to fit their narrative. So when they spew shit that isn't true, it brings everything they say into question. But when you bring up the facts of the matter, it changes the whole situation & you realize those spewing misinformation about these things are doing so to poison the well so they can push their own narrative. In those cases, it's easy for right wingers to bring up & criticize the left for changing the facts & lying. It looks bad on all of us left leaning people. Also, what are you insinuating about Destiny? Sounds like you're experiencing symptoms of DDS.
Even tho I understand Destiny’s anger toward FD signifier and Noah Samson I’m still a fan of FD signifier I appreciate some of his video essays cus not every one of them is about politics and he brings up many black issues that I can identify with
FD and Noah are ironic to me. Since how they complain yet then don't offer solutions except just listen to them because "they're right" when really they're just the other side of the coin to the very content they mock.
@@ExeErdna I don't think the coin analogy works for tolerance. FD and Noah are very inclusive, they speak to every person be they black, trans, woman, you name it. Sneako & Nick are not. Sneako does his best to bully softer men into submission and rally his audience to do so. In what world are they part of the same coin and equal?
@@adrianbrodin1319 That's because you're talking about those they advocate for not their oppositions. I'm talking about their Opps. FD, Noah and leftist like them talk big shit about redpill in an unproductive "My side is right they're wrong". They NEVER think they're wrong which is why the left stagnated. It doesn't matter whom you preach to, it's about whom you're trying to reach. That's why FD and Noah are no better than the people they mock.
@@ExeErdna Your stance here sounds extremely biased, but I'll bite. Talk big shit? Noah usually just reacts to whatever redpillers say. He is literally responding to their arguments. How is that just saying "my side is right they're wrong"? If anything, the recent Sneako-video with them reacting to his response shows in perfect detail how Noah is willing to discuss and reaches common ground twice in his video(when he agrees about the KAM-pod and when he says he thinks Sneako is a good interviewer), only for Sneako to scream nonsense and call him a pussy over and over again. You can't be serious?
While I agree that these conversations need to be had in order to poke holes in the concepts they preach. I don’t think people bring enough awareness to the matter that the people this red pill thing affects more than anyone cares to mentions are children and people with children who don’t have the time and/or energy to monitor every little thing on the internet. Or worse, children who have ABSENT PARENTS. Most people don’t have the luxury to distract kids from the over reaching grasp of social media. A lot of kids don’t have parents at all to argue against this stuff either. I understand the necessity of discussion, but the more you discuss his views with him, the more appealing he becomes to children who only understand, money cars, girls and the allure of being a bully. Couple that with boys innate want to be considered a “man”, it could disastrous. Deplatforming at least removes him from some of the eyes of impressionable young boys
Children are going to find it regardless. If bullying is alluring to a child that kid is already fucked up before ever hearing red pill rhetoric. Most are just going try to use the info to get laid because that’s what they care about most. If listening to red pill grifters turns someone into a woman beater they were already going down that path regardless.
They're not watching redpill, they're most likely on THAT SIDE OF RUclips, a tiddy stream on Twitch, or getting caught up in crungo shit in Roblox or Minecraft. Redpill is shit mid to late teens watch. Also you're complaining about "Redpill" while ignoring the problematic leftist shit that online that fucks people's heads too. If you're gonna call one out call them ALL out, since the left is not innocent.
I agree wholeheartedly with you. I'm a very argumentative person & my 2 oldest; my daughter who's 14 & my son who's 13, are both now starting to watch some political content creators. Especially my daughter. I am constantly challenging things they believe. Luckily they watch left leaning, but we have the same issue on this side too. My daughter started watching Hasan for a while & I constantly pushed back on things she repeated from him. I haven't yet got her to start watching Destiny, but she stopped watching Hasan on her own & said she realized he's fake as fuck. So maybe me questioning the things they hear & making them look at their beliefs from a different point of view is actually working. I sure fucking hope so.
@@Hognosetopia Sadly this confirms why Hasan needs to go from Twitch. Besides a few others. Since I knew underaged people be in these streams. Yet it's good she realized he was fake and you were there to guide them
The IQ bell curve is insane. Completely ignores historical context and how races have been treated in society over the years. That shit is wild to me. How come nobody brought that up?
How do you explain the fact that their IQs and crime rates are the same in countries with no history of oppression like Denmark, Sweden, Norway, etc...
@@freeyourmind9997 they can't. and these people also truly believe white and Asian people have never been poor or oppressed. it's honestly mind boggling.
No one is saying the ideas shouldn’t be debated, this is such a dishonest spin, ppl just don’t like when destiny or aba talk about how funny and cool nick Fuentes is and how he’s discovered all the underlying truth of everything, he’s just a little off on the conclusions
Lol Destiny's rant cracked me up. I'm black and content creators like F.D Signifier bother tf out of me.. Yes they do serve a purpose to some extent, but overall I cannot stand the pretentious, know-it-all, overly condescing type of pro-black rhetoric that a lot of these people spew. . All it does is promote more division and alienation among black folks.
I really dislike Twitter liberals who only ever complain about tates, sneakos and Fuentes likes but constantly mistate the core appeals and fail to effectively challenge their rhetoric. While the optics suck I'm grateful for white "savior" destiny and black "savior" abas incisive yet friendly questioning. I use savior not literally but somewhat literally because the need for effective pushback is so underrated. Destiny hit it on the nail the sneako audience will fly away with charismatic leaders who can tap into their resentments. When you look at Jordan Peterson while he has a lot more wild(stuff I personally don't agree with) takes, he tapped into resentments and actually called for largely positive changes. He is the best person I can think of to have the ear of young resentful males who can't get past the targets of their anger I'm surprised he wasn't pulled in by the left at times because in the past he was a moderating voice for male aggression and violence. I'm still not sure why left leaning pundits hated him sometimes more than genuinely negative voices. Do people really want men running around with uncontrolled anger or bubbling resentments?
If you look at the comments on the debate panel video,a good amount of people thought Destiny was playing the white savior and was straw manning Nick Fuentes. I can see why someone would think that, but Destiny has a long history talking to Fuentes. Fuentes was hiding his power level, so Destiny was bringing up past talking points to expose his true intentions to Sneako's followers or any new potential follower that are unfamiliar with Nick.
I don't think he was hiding his power level much, I think a lot of people just blatantly lie about some of his positions or take things he's said in joking/half joking remarks and act as though they're core to his ideology. Nicks not the next Hitler, he's a religious racist, it's not uncommon or rare to have the views he's holding. He doesn't want anyone exterminated, he doesn't want anyone mass deported except illegals and if possible the legals that are able to go back to their home country, and he'd like America to stay a white majority which the same goes for 90% of the human population towards their own home countries. We can disagree with his ideas, but his ideas are pretty common and its crazy people dramatize them so much.
@@Shadowh8ter I disagree, Fuentes would want America to ideally be an ethnostate, but he says it's not realistic. He wants to force women out of the workforce and to stay at home. He carefully skirts the line of a white Supremacist because that rhetoric works alot better in this era. He claims he's a soldier of God, but wouldn't marry another soldier of God if they weren't his race. I'm not sure where you are getting these numbers that 90 percent of people want their countries to stay one race, but here in America that is clearly not the case. Fuentes is an extremist in America, he's even too much for the super conservative CPAC in which forced him to start AFPAC.
@@steveng6704 Wanting an ethnostate and acknowledging its not realistic isn't that extreme of an idea. Even in the West the majority of countries are borderline if not literally the same demographics as America before we changed our immigration policy, and outside of the West its literally every country. Wanting women to have traditional roles in society is what a large percentage of the right believes in, that's not a crazy or radical idea. Being a trad girl or a trad wife is literally what you're describing. You can be a soldier of god and also care about your racial heritage at the same time. I disagree with his opinions on race mixing, but just because you value A more than B doesn't mean you also need to stop valuing B. He's Catholic and his opinion on marriage isn't out of love, it's not hard for him to find a white Catholic woman and if he values a white Catholic woman more than a black Catholic woman why would he settle for a worse option in his mind? That 90% number is me referencing the entire world homie. Idk if you just have this American centric view and you aren't aware, but almost the entire world is an ethnostate and the only exceptions are America, Canada, and some of the Major European countries. Everywhere else is almost exclusively a single race and essentially every country that is an ethnostate has immigration policies that restrict immigration to maintain their racial dominance within their own country. Also if Fuentes didn't have his opinions on Jews he'd be mainstream for CPAC. People like Tucker Carlson and Charlie Kirk also talk about women being in traditional roles and America's racial demographics being ruined by mass immigration. If he never revealed his opinions about Jews and never commented on race mixing he'd literally be on Fox News.
@@Shadowh8ter You're downplaying Fuentes. He doesn't merely advocate for women to have traditional roles. He wants to ban them from most workplace environments and from assuming any traditional men's role. That's Authoritarian and an extreme position in this era of America
@@steveng6704 So you fully acknowledge that while Fuentes wants an ethnostate but acknowledges and accepts he can't have it because at this point it's simply not doable, but at the same time think Nick wants to just blanket make it illegal for women to have jobs, and you don't think he'd find that to equally be a tall ask? Of course if he could do that and get away with it he would, the same way he would deport 99% of non-white people if he could, but both are equally unlikely desires that would have to be done gradually/indirectly. Also calling him Authoritarian isn't really an insult or anything towards him he's not a liberal rofl. It's not really a gotcha or an own to call someone whose not of your political persuasion what their political persuasion is. He is authoritarian, he owns that all the time, and he thinks it'd be a better way to handle the country.
Here's my counter argument. Mixing produces beautiful intelligent people. Just think what inbreeding does, cousin marriage for example. Also If Humans out of Africa and Neanderthals didn't mix together where would White Europeans be? Be thankful for not only Human race mixing but mixing of species. 👍
9:00 I don't think that it stems from not belonging. I think that these people hold a general contempt towards society simply because they feel some deep-seeded dissatisfaction or depression in their personal life without a clear source. This will cause a lot of people to self isolate and develop anti-social behaviours and ideas. Then after that, people can find belonging in these "outsider groups" of self-rejects.
The racial stuff was disgusting man. Hearing people agree with Nick Fuentes in the chat and then Sneako saying he also agreed was not good. It triggered me, and this needs to be discussed more. My family is interracial. My wife and I have two kids. This mentality cannot continue to persist.
One place both of you guys keep dropping the ball and keep setting up easy dubs for Nick is this jump to "not existing". He's a racist, not a genocidal maniac put to eliminate melanin from the human gene pool. Maybe there's something in Aba's linguistic culture where if you don't see something it stops existing, but I don't see that in Destiny's case. Why hand Fuentes easy debunks for no reason?
Dead ass aba right at 41:40. Let the joke hang for a bit people gonna try to out of context clip you to make you out to be something you're not anyways might as well let the jokes sink it for a bit looool. Anyways great recap vid. I didnt get to catch this after debate convo
FD doesn't solve the problem he's just a leftist using redpill's gimmick. A talking head going off about XYZ is how you're supposed to live. Basically at the root he's a leftist Tate with how he presents his world view without realizing it won't work for a lot of people.
I think we need to start bridging again. Destiny and other creators can't go on hating on each other like this or be too harsh on each other. Criticism is good but is taken way too personal or with too little consideration for the other party. F.D Signifier did a great job I think presenting A&P in a way that reflects his views without being too harsh. He was being fair. And trying to be fair I think is something F.D Signifier does great in while Destiny don't extend it to leftists in the same way.
i agree with destiny.. but the platforming question is still interesting to me... think about it Destiny... You platformed Hasan.. Vaush... now these 2 people are bigger than you preaching absolute shit.... so what does that say about platforming and the idea that the "good" ideas will always beat out the shit ones?
I honestly disagree with Aba and Destiny(especially Destiny) on so many things, I love their vibe together, it seems so authentic and at least half way reasonable, even though I think they have moral blind spots, they are such good faith actors.
Sneako just smoking that alt right pack. Doing the most to pander when he can up on lecturing people about racism. I fux with the “old heads” providing context and really deepening this discussion
I 100% agree on the point that it deradicalizes somebody when they meet someone cool from the group that the person “hates.” I never “hated” trans ppl, but thought it was a little weird until I played on a paintball team with a trans woman. She was cool af. This was like a decade ago 😅 Shout out Shayna if you happen to read this ❤️
I had a jewish friend in primary school who I should thank someday. My father is antisemitic and anytime he tried to talk to me about jewish people, I just thought "Lucas in not like this so jewish people can't be that bad". There is a very high likelyhood of me being antisemitic without that friend.
Funny how Destiny didn't care for FD signifier, I found him recently and criticized him because he refused to talk to anyone or debate about one of the videos he made. I have questions if he believes the things he says or if he HAS to believe what he says and that's why he doesn't want to be challenged by it
He's like you're typical leftist once they get some brass they don't want talk to others. Yet WILL talk about others, he's a choir preacher. He really doesn't care about changing things.
Not everyone is made for debates and not all subjects are to be debated in the same fashion that Destiny is doing it. Destiny even says that there is a place for essayists but I feel like Destiny's behavior or the way he speaks of others in the sphere doesn't cultivate the type of similar engagement he has. He is very harsh and if they don't 100% handle a subject well or disagrees with him on something Destiny is very quick to dismiss them. I know there's history there that explains this but I don't think Destiny is trying to reach across effectively to leftists in the same way he does to the right which I feel he handles very gently lately. He fails to realize that he needs the same attitude to those on the left if he wants to 'change' their minds or make what he says legitimate. Also, he gets way too annoyed at tweets sometimes. So annoyed that his points kinda gets lost in the sauce.
@@TheAnimaAnimal Yet you have to remember how Destiny was treated when he was mainly a "leftist" they basically spit in his face and wanted him gone. While still clamoring for all those weak ass talking points. "right wing is evil" while have damn near no solutions, except for "obey us we're not tyrants they are" After that ignoring a lot of people are either black or some sort of people of color. They're not THAT right wing they're overall tired of "white" leftist telling them how to live. Which is their right.
I don't like how Destiny gets to irrationally mad at tweets, take the fucking compliment even if it is a bit backhanded. It's something at least, how come he can handle Fuentes so smoothly but one tweet from a leftist on Twitter just crumbles him. Do leftists need to praise you to high heavens and agree with everything you do for you to acknowledge them. This is why F.D Signifier has him blocked.
Race Debate w/ SNEAKO, ABA, JIDION, YOUNG DON And NICK ►ruclips.net/video/F9-BUjsh7xg/видео.html
Regarding the topic of platforming people with dangerous ideas. I think it has to be done carefully, with clarifying questions and pushback. Unfortunately, before Destiny arrives, Nick Fuentes just had the floor and presented his ideas as reasonable, WITH MINIMAL PUSHBACK FROM ABA OR ANYONE ELSE. I think some of the black creators may have felt pressured to be "nice" to Nick.
You should definitely have a livestream conversation with Xanderhaul on RUclips about leftists not wanting other youtubers to platform other political figures they disagree with.
i wanted to say ur ability to steelman red pill content is more important than you realize, i think it puts you in the race, it doesn’t just put you ahead at least for me.
Title should be "Destiny & Aba Seethe & Cope After Taking Huge L During Seako Panel"
For Aba not being a big debate guy, he did a great job with that “black catholic vs white buddhist” question, and then decided to take up the role of being a moderator seamlessly without being asked
I just wish Mr. God-piller could have laid the smack-down a little harder on that one. The thing that I hate most about these goons like Fuentes is hiding behind a cross when they clearly have zero idea what they are supposed to believe and in the process smear their racist BS onto billions of believers around the globe. I appreciate what push-back they did give, but they could've gone all around the Bible Old Testament, New Testament and Catholic Catechism to make that little boy look silly. And Aba's set-up was golden for all of that, and once you tear away Fuentes facade of a spiritual grounding you know put one of his rhetorical cornerstones.
GIGACHAD
Aba is a natural when it comes to moderating a convo. He always takes on that role organically in every panel lol
Agreed. Aba is one of my favorite characters this season.
@@aWildNelby Aba solos
I think Aba did great on the debate. He didn’t know what to talk about, so he took charge of making it a civil and a controlled conversation.
Aba lowkey a great moderator
Yeah he was an excellent moderator. Made sure everyone wasn't talking over one another and that everyone was able to get their points in.
@@8OBO8 i think you know he is good at it when there is flow but it doesnt seem like he is controlling it. Great job by him
I wouldn't say he didn't know what to talk about. It's hard to engage in discussion and keep things on track. He just leaning into keeping it from devolving into a shouting match that jumps from b to a to z then p
aba is trash
Are we all in agreement that RUclips people are infinitely more interesting than Twitch streamers? The past few months has been some of Destinys best content in a long time.
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Twitch politics is a progressive circle jerk, for sure. Twitch in general has been declining in quality for a while, so it's inevitable that the good shit would shift entirely onto RUclips when Destiny was banned.
@@jarofpickles4057 that's because anyone who does say the fer left talking points immediately gets banned, you can't be a vocal moderate on twitch and have an income
@@TheMissiIe can't be a vocal moderate on twitch?
Twitch is trash degeneracy
The Aba and Destiny Duo is so goated bro
Enjoy it while it lasts lmao
@@richardnixon7248 I don't see the bridge burning, unless either one gets involved in some serious controversy, where the other has to cut ties.
It'd have to be some hardcore controversy to burn the bridge, considering how these two are.
Frfr no cap 💯
I was just thinking this same thing. I like level of respect and real world they both stay
Yeah I think they should definitely consider a podcast together of some sort.
Destiny, don't feel bad for jumping in, as an old sneako viewer I like your presence to keep him in check and bring a more balanced viewpoint. And most other viewers have nothing against you.
@Omegaluck he is, don't you guys notice that in a debater's stand point sneako is not really knowledgeable on a lot of stuff so he chooses to leach on the other person that has more knowledge on that topic (it applies to both destiny and nick)
@Omegaluck see I don't think he has any grounded beliefs. Sneako comes off as a very impressionable kid parroting opinions he's heard without properly understanding their ramifications.
@@chalklaterain6163 He just parrots the opposite of the mainstream narrative lol.
@Omegaluck
He did change. He wanted 20 spiritual women, or 4 wives. Now he just wants 1 wife and a couple girlfriends. He stated this publicly.
Progres
@@romnesia7729 oh boi you'd be surprised 5 years 10 years later seeing him happily married with one wife and nick have a bunch of mix babies with a women of color. I feel like sneako has always been this egotistical guy where he said he wanted some wild stuff. During the 2018 era sneako was wayyy happier with he's first girlfriend from south Africa that did not go on the open relationship bs he did with he's second girlfriend.
The Sneakos Soul Arc is mad entertaining.
Yes but also sneako is so dumb. Destiny calling him ”an incredibly intelligent 22 year old” is so cringey. Sneako doesn’t have the ability to talk about anything
Destiny better save his ass or i wont watch him ever again
@@sunipye7051 oh no suni pye never gonno watch destiny again, what could we do?
@@sunipye7051 lmfao you had me for sec lol
@@sunipye7051 the savior complex of destiny and his fans is MASSIVE
I wanna say , this is a beginning of a beautiful friendship, I love aba’s openness and neutrality in regards to it
Haven't they been talk on and off for a couple of years now?
@@cngotham4111 Yeah they've been talking for way longer. I'd say their friendship definitely blossomed before this.
@@diego032912 yea I definitely would say their casual friends and what not
Aba doesn’t even consider preach a friend so he probably considers destiny a co worker or associate
@@crazybadkid08 he literally said destiny is one of the few people he would consider a friend.
Aba’s right about The jokes. You took a serious charisma Nerf when you started being overly concerned about the reception of your jokes
Yea I agree, but I don't blame Destiny for it. Any time he used to make even slightly edgy jokes the soy boy far left people in his audience would write mental health short stories in his reddit explaining why joking about anything is insensitive and why he needs to be held to a higher standard. Luckily, it seems that most of those people are gone to Hasan and Vaush these days, thank the lord. Most insufferable mfs alive
I'm very glad that Aba and Destiny are still able to have these convos. They bring a lot of sense and good faith in a world of agendas and insecurities.
@Ronald Nygma you ok buddy?
@Ronald Nygma do u know english language?
@Ronald Nygma regardless theres nothing wrong with the comment
except they still think that redpill, conservatives, libertarians, racists, and incels are the same thing
The amount of blk ppl I hear talking about how terrible interracial relationships are, it’s like I’m back in the 50s.
You mean blk women. The only outrage is when it’s a Blk man dating out. The blk community in America is run by women so anytime it’s a blk woman dating out it’s “you go girl”, but if it’s a blk man there’s a problem
@@darkriku234 it's not rascism tho lol
Yes I hear it a lot also and as a white boy idc but once a white boy says the same thing it’s kkk lol
@@Rin-id2sd explain how it's not 🤔
I think statistically the strongest relationship in the U.S is between a black gal, and a white guy.
I agree with Destiny in how he said left leaning debaters tend to flop in debates against conservative talking points because they miss the root arguments. They can’t understand how they got to their own opinions, and as long as you don’t understand what’s being argued you’ll never be able to debate against them well.
@@EsotericOccultist no just that they don't know fully how to support their argument. A good example is the earth being round, this is a fact yet a lot of people won't be able to think of how to prove it(not taking into account the obvious "just go to space") without researching.
@@EsotericOccultist
You can debate a position that's verifiably false, but if you come off strong in your demeanor and rhetoric, you can get viewers to believe/think that you won the debate. Not everyone cares to prioritize truth or legitimacy like that, especially when you factor in people's preconceived biases.
@@EsotericOccultist a lot of these ideas are new, ofc people who aren’t great at debating wouldn’t know what to argue, that’s why people who argue old traditional shit know what to say cause those things have been argued to death
I honestly think most people are tribal and don't really think of their own positions that much. They just trickled down to them through their surroundings or some kind of emotions, maybe they know or care about one issue they perceive their party to be better on. It's really only a small percentage that engage in this political discourse. Look at turnouts for local elections and you get the idea.
I'm absolutely loving this new arc
I’m not. Destiny is teetering on becoming cringe.
@@NolenGYT
I'd rather watch Sneako and Nick Fuentes take tag team shits on destiny's stream than watch anything having to with the incredibly overrated MrGirl, twitch lefties, Modern Day debate, trans debates, D&D, Factorio, or League.
...the bar is pretty low for actual entertainment.
If someone genuinely turned into Fuentes fan after watching him talk, then that person was already screwed in the head. Period.
@@EsotericOccultist I think he is saying that he didn't come off looking very good. Destiny kind of kicked his d in the dirt.
@@firghteningtruth7173 Damn Destiny's leftist community thinks Destiny destroyed Nicks right wing opinions? Shocker, that one.
Oh don’t worry, someone deranged enough is out there somewhere.
Well all I’m gonna say is thank goodness Destiny, Jidion and Aba were on that panel. Actually there was very little pushback until Destiny showed up. So yeah, platform these people all you want but you better be ready for it. And until Destiny showed up the other guys were making Nick look like the silly lovable uncle at a family dinner.
Yep
Yea but jidion nor aba agreed to debate him cause they didn't even know he would show up.
If you think destiny looked good in that you’re just being tribal and dishonest.
Jidion didn't do well to me. He was the emotional guy there not making many solid points. I think I'm opposition to Nick that held their own was destiny aba and the black guy with dreads that was also conservative. He was also religious and was able to poke holes in Nick argument using their shared religion.
Because aba is p suedo intellectual.
The panel was great. We love hearing the different opinions without screaming and without throwing ad hominem’s left and right.
I could listen to these two talk for a while. Always refreshing. Aba is a goat.
Destiny is one of the only libs I can listen to without my body producing large quantities of estrogen. It's admirable he can understand opposing viewpoints without agreeing and not just spew insults as a response.
@Jumplify you understand that the right has always been obsessed with lgbt issues just as much left? The only difference is that they’re on the opposite sides of the argument
@Jumplify i subscribed to him because gavin called him a kuck
@@EsotericOccultist You evil insidious despicable unlovable pile of human filth none of us would dare challenge opposing viewpoints with just insults, ever. Argument one.
@@EsotericOccultist thats why im subscribed to him and not his fans lol
Super happy that Aba is in this sphere. I really like his RUclips channel but preach can be exhausting after a while. Hearing Aba just conversation with Destiny is what I need.
I believe ideas should be examined and tried in public forums. These things need to be hashed out. In my life, seeing some positions be soundly defeated by better ideas had been a deradicalizing force for me. It has kept me from some of the more extreme views my side could be prone to. As a result, I absolutely despise people who advocate for deplatforming. They are weakening their own positions and contributing to the radicalization of people on both sides.
Depends on the context. All deplatforming is bad is never a good argument.
@@NothingElseMattersJM I disagree. I think the most extreme bad ideas should be examined and debunked publicly, if possible. The audience might have changed and may need a reminder of the superior position. Also, previously weak ideas might have been tweaked and require re-examination. It's this constant refining that let's us arrive at a more solid, objective truth about subjects.
In long form content talking is the best antidote to stupid ideas but in short form content disinformation and bad faith arguments reign supreme.
@@NothingElseMattersJM literally the only thing you achieve by deplatforming and refusing to challenge the people spousing those ideas is empower them, because then they can easily claim they are right without ever being challenged, and a lot of people will be convinced by that since nobody stands up and challenges them. Legit the only people that think this is good is those that are just so hecking mentally fragile that even the idea that somebody could be allowed to proclaime they believe in "X" idea scares them on a fundamental leve, but the irony is that they are the ones empowering the same things that they don't want to exist by doing so.
@@georgek2092
Disinformation is a four letter word to me. Bad faith arguments can be easily called out. If someone is trolling, their ideas won't hold up on their own. It's ok to dismiss disingenuous notions. The idea of dismissing "so-called" harmfull notions that are being sincerly represented is where the line is being crossed in my mind.
19:01 Yo, that reflective pause into humility/empathy combo got me. Really pleased to see you growing, Big D. It's not that you're wrong when you get triggered - it's just a lot harder to communicate and you've learned that like a fuckin champ.
He was so right about that
Lol good on him for trying but I found it very funny how 30 second later 19:37 it all goes out the window.
Yeah, wish he would've stuck with it. He isn't charitable at all toward the leftists mentioned in this video, twice now(at 19:37 and 32:30) he's made extreme strawman arguments instead of actually arguing their ideas.
Noah never said to deplatform 'anyone with different ideas', just the actual nazis. Most leftist won't say 'you can't do anything about it, it's all systemic', they say a lot of it's systemic and let's do something about THAT. It bums me out when he's so charitable towards redpill crazies and not at all towards the left.
"People are different"
SO YOU THINK THAT OTHER PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EXIST???
???
just because the rebuttal is bad, doesn't make the original statement less unhinged.
"People are different, and by that I mean that some are inherently less intelligent, more violent and if they were to start breeding more than whites in the USA that would be a problem."
true 😂
Aba convos are like a warm hug from a friend
The tactics of speaking to these people in a demeaning way or not talking about the subjects that are very much a reality for certain people. Is the same tactic that dare tried to use to get kids off of drugs and look at how that’s panning out.
Listening to this made me think about something. About how the internet sorta goes in cycles regarding politics. Back in the day, I remember the "atheist" phase, from 2008 to 2012, the internet was fairly left-leaning, with lots of people denouncing their christian families as bigots and stuff like that.
Then came 2014 and GamerGate happened, the internet mostly turned right-wing and being a somewhat edgy anti-SJW was fun and nice. GamerGate itself lasted for like a month (maybe even less), but it had an effect for years. This trend came to a quite abrupt end on 2017 when Charlottesville happened and almost the whole internet started looking at the right with the contempt it rightfully deserves.
BreadTube capitalized on this anti-right-wing feeling, and from 2018 to 2020, the internet turned very left-wing, and I mean VERY left-wing. People were calling themselves communist without even the slightest shred of shame. But then came the Kenosha riots of 2020, and leftists started justifying arson, looting, shoplifting, theft and top it all off, started attacking the idea of self-defense. A lot of people started being more introspective regarding BreadTube and realized how deeply pseudo-intellectual and plain wrong these creators are. As of today, BreadTube is dead and no leftist channel is reporting substantive growth.
Fast forward to today, and the red pill saw a sudden resurgence, and seems like the internet is turning right-wing again, with a heavy tint of populism. I'm not sure how long this trend will last, maybe it will last 4 years, or maybe it dies next year. Who knows.
All that matters is that Destiny is willing to go against whatever harmful political idea is trendy on the internet, both left and right. And I think he's very important in this space.
You're observance of the timeline is right. Everything you said is true, 15 years just ZOOMED on by and 4 shifts have happened. The difference here a lot of redpill with they "right wing turn" there's a lot of black, hispanic and asian men at the forefront of this and a lot of leftist are stuck. Like they can talk shit yet they can't at the same time because of their own preaching. They make it seem liek redpill is a bunch of white people there's like maybe 3 white redpill channels that are decent in their ways.
Leftists avoid talking about their side being toxic on tiktok and twitter, yet complain when the other side makes videos and or simply reposts the content for others to see.
Two people responded to my comment and RUclips just doesn't want to show me what they said. Thanks RUclips.
@@diegoseba12 Yeah, YT does that... They just "poof" comments
Right > left
@@diegoseba12 yep they ghost comments they don't like which further proves what you said in your statement about the internet taking a hard left to the left. I honestly think this redpill stuff has a good 3 years left before the hard mass censorship officially starts because you better believe the people that run these companies are very aware of every single person that talks or touches on these sorts of topics. Destinys channel will be collateral damage when it starts because he's connected to them same with Aba and Preach. Right now they're employing soft censorship like ghosting comments, deranking their content in the algorithm by recommending it to less people, making sure it will never get on trending and also shadow banning their channels on Google. It will literally take them nothing to do it. As easy as changing a 1 to a 0.
I liked that aba added "With me it wont be" in regards to Destiny feeling leech-y, that was really sweet.
Coming from further right a long time ago, I feel myself being pushed back that way when you retweet certain insane ppl (even when you rebut their statement), so I understand why ppl dont want to platform certain ppl. At the same time, I’m thankful you do it and have the tougher conversations.
I rly hope you do that Change My Mind-esque segment that you’ve discussed in the past.
What's with the FD Signifier hate? I'm not huge into his content but I haven't seen him be as bad as Destiny is saying
He is more aggressive on twitter.
@@onetrueliberal7862 how so exactly?
21:30
One of the main reasons why I watch Destiny is to understand the argument better and learn how to counter the opposing views with an adequate rebuttal to persuade or shade light on the fact of the matter.
Destiny is literal political chemotherapy. You need a much much larger platform my guy
This is such a good conversation, always great with Aba
friendship ended with Sneako, now Aba is my best friend
This " battle for sneako's soul" arc is amazing
This Destiny guys appears to be extremely reasonable. We need more people speaking like him, or for him to be more popular.
I’ll be real did not like Aba at first but the more he talks the more I like him. Not agree with his view points fully but he’s not grifting or unhinged and it’s nice to have actual issues talked about instead of the political polarization and culture wars people want. They are fun but it’s not the real world with live in people have a wide variety of beliefs
This conversation perfectly describe my problem with bredtube. I agree that some of the issues they talk about are important but a lot of the people in bredtube spaces are boring, scared of conflict and treat their viewers like children. Like they stop being, I literally a clip of a left leaning youtuber being scared about discussing approach cuz he doesn't want to be cancelled. On one hand I can definitely sympathize but then this men made a couple videos on how the manosphere is bad and provides no healthy alternatives. Like what expect people to do?
Honestly, I think Destiny is doing a great job deradicalizing people. I definitely don't agree with him on most of his political stances, but the fact that he cares enough to actually hear what his opponents have to say has done more to bring me back towards the center than every other person I've seen online combined.
Here I am anticipating destiny's improvement on his race jokes delivery, instructed by aba😂
Tbh most times I think destiny is pretty good with but I always feel the awkward delivery lol
Aba was fantastic as an impromptu moderator, an every man who kept things simple, equal and honest everywhere
But also please don't lump all of us conservatives in with fuentes's extremism lol
I don't think people lump all conservatives in the same camp as Nick. The problem is the same we have here on the left. The loudest of those on the left are the far left progressives so the majority of opinions people see are the anti-capitalism, socialism, extremes & put all of us on the left in the same camp as them when the majority of us lefties are more like Destiny then them. Same thing happens on the right. The majority of people aren't terminally online so they don't discuss their beliefs & politics. They just live their lives. It's the loudest voices on either side that come from the extreme ends of both sides. My dad was a conservative before he passed away & I know he wouldn't recognize the public persona of the right today if he was still here. We're all on a political spectrum. Just seems the loudest are the ones who belong on other spectrums as well. Lol.
@Ronald Nygma maybe extreme in other ways true
Regarding Aba's statement (when playing devil's advocate) that Destiny platforming bad people multiple times is just for entertainment...
Yes it's true that Destiny has had several debates with Nick, he's had countless more discussions with him, probably dozens of hours worth of discussion is available online between the two of them... And yet even with all of that available Aba, Jideon and the rest clearly hadn't seen any of it. I would imagine a good portion of the audience hadn't either. That's why it makes sense for Destiny to continue to speak to him. Not everyone has seen the entire Destiny box set. Ideas evolve and change as well.
... Plus it's always a gold star stream when Nick and Destiny debate.
Nick utilizes something called double speak. It's extremely easy to spot when you know how to look for it. He'll say something like he wants a "white core" and then make a whole bunch of qualifying statements about how he doesn't want to segregate black people or whatever. His audience already know what they want but outsiders might be disarmed by the qualifying language.
You defeat bad ideas with good ideas. Not censorship.
good and bad are perspectives anakin
To be fair, as a black man I hear his race mixing argument all the time from black people.
For sure, its not socially acceptable especially for white people to express that though. No matter who thinks that, its stupid
Still messed up
It's not just black people, I hear it from east and south east Asians too. Hence why Nick's perspective doesn't bother me
@@ahmarcamacho8404 i mean what is actually baffleing is how it didnt bother sneako. Essentially the implecation is that his parents are degens
@@ahmarcamacho8404 Not saying I agree or disagree, but there being double standards doesn’t mean you should accept that behavior from everyone.
vaush had me thinking that destiny was one of these fake liberals like tim pool but watching him over these past few weeks shown me that i aligns more times than i don't. i am glad destiny held nick to task during that stream because nick can be dangerous if no one is there to challenge him.
I stopped watching Vaush about a year ago & have since realized I believed alot of bullshit that was wrong because of him. Keep it up my guy.
@@ozguraydn8407 what's with the funny symbols in your name?
Mfs like Noah Samsen think that Nazis are like the priests from Age of Empires. They can just say Wololo and change everyone’s views
11:01 The fact that Aba called nick slippery without knowing where Destiny kept calling nick slippery is very funny.
i feel like regardless of ideologies this is the most civil it can get and i really appreciate either points
There's debates, and then there's 'debates'.
You can tell people to 'have a conversation' all you want, but a person like Sneako approaches debates entirely differently when compared to Destiny.
The Sneako-type isn't there to discuss anything. He's there to sling as much dirt as possible at his opponent, make noise and ignore arguments. It's very easy for him to 'debate' this way because he's not putting any part of himself out there, he can 'debate' 10 people at once with this approach 'cause it doesn't matter whether he's right or wrong.
Destiny needs to carefully think things through, adress each argument thoughtfully and make sure he is charitable to both the left and the right while doing so. He needs to put up with all kinds of stressful shit and do his best to fact-check everything whilst talking. It's a whole other world.
And last, if you add any easily targeted minority into the mix, it's even worse for them. You say they ought to join the call and 'debate' lest they're cowards, but so many people in these comments do not understand that this 'marketplace of ideas' isn't fair ground. If you are trans, the moment you put yourself out there, you will be targeted and dogpiled by anonymous haters potentially for the rest of your life. Same thing goes for most women online. It's just not a fair place, and it's very understandable that they would simply opt out of having a conversation, especially when the Sneako-type is only there to ruin everything.
Agree
That also ties in to the selection bias of F&F. The women that are willing to go on a manosphere podcast viewed by millions, are not average women. They are influencers, wannabe celebrities, artists and models who chase fame and money. They are usually uneducated, not very bright and only there for more insta followers, making them easy opponents in a discussion.
Ok to be fair nick fuentes is banned from literally everywhere and harassed to the point people call his employers to get him fired. Sneako is just forcing peoples ideas to be challenged in real time and usually he makes himself look like an idiot. Nick i could maybe argue is harmful platforming but not debating sneako is just cowardice.
edit: or not cowardice but i dont think its harmful, a waste of time at worst imo
@@astashasta1 debating sneako is useless lmfao he literally said "well I don't trust ALL of the restaurants" to destiny asking "you trust chefs at a restaurant to make you food that doesn't hurt you, right?" - it's just pedantic performative bullahit
@@rumbleizer Well I disagree because we've seen a pretty fair amount of sneako and fresh n fit fans who have said destiny has and to some degree aba have given them a 'new perspective to consider' to paraphrase/summarize a bit. Even if you only reach 2% of them I'd argue its worth it to challenge their echo chambers as long as you're not making an ass of 'your side'.
Aba and Dan, Makes a Plan. Ultimate prepper podcast.
Dan is overrated
Aba and Destiny are a good duo. I truly don't think they will ever get to Sneako.
Yup but theyll try their darnedest to tear down his spirit because theyve been commissioned to by evil forces which noticed a threat from loud, unvaxed Sneako!!!
Idk. There were many times while Destiny pushed back on his bullshit & you can see that Sneako felt dumb as fuck but covered it up with jokes. That feeling of being dumb as fuck are the planted seeds being watered. He'll get there some day, hopefully.
@@Hognosetopia I hope. I think those joke covers up that he is wrong so he can mentally move past it.
So much respect from destiny and aba i feel as if my thought process has grown due to them
haven’t seen Aba before, but he seems genuine and intelligent
You should check him out on his main channel, Aba & Preach. His co-host Preach is pretty BASED too.
i love destiny’s intro visuals, looks so clean.
I dont know if you have already but, along the topic of having discussions with people of radical ideology it may be in your interest to research or some commentary on Daryl Davis
I asked him a question on a Livestream a few months back, he seems like a really cool dude. He even said "people come up to me and ask me what's going on? (actual racist people) And I tell them if you spoke to other people you'd know what's going on"
I found destiny thru dr k, whom I found thru aba. When they first started talking I was so excited :3,,, now that they're having convos often, I'm happy.
BOTH VERY GOOD
Destiny+Aba are a force to be reckoned with.
But honesty often means showing your hand. This is where I’m coming from with my opinion on Nick - he’d be harmless to me because 1) I know exactly where he stands and 2) he wouldn’t treat me like shit, despite where he stands. He’s smart enough to be more dangerous but chooses not to be, and still seems to vibe with people based on their character.
Same way I like you, even though you’re for vaccine mandates 😜
Around the 28-35 min mark, man some great points coming from a libertarian that’s more leaning right. Super great convos from both Aba and destiny, that’s why normal people from both sides like them so much
I know it's kinda off topic but since Destiny brought it up in this video.
I really gotta say destony is super hung up on the "Breonna Taylor being shot while sleeping thing."
Destiny wants to defend those cops so badly but he just can't find any arguments to do it.
If Destiny is so caught up on the minor lies of the case how come he doesn't focus on the lie that Kenneth Walker shot a cop.
Ballistic evidence shows that Walker wasn't the one who shot the cop, why doesn't Destiny docus in that.
We all know why
The reason why he brings it up is because it's a perfect example of how the far left changes the facts of situations to make it worse than it is to fit their narrative. So when they spew shit that isn't true, it brings everything they say into question. But when you bring up the facts of the matter, it changes the whole situation & you realize those spewing misinformation about these things are doing so to poison the well so they can push their own narrative. In those cases, it's easy for right wingers to bring up & criticize the left for changing the facts & lying. It looks bad on all of us left leaning people.
Also, what are you insinuating about Destiny? Sounds like you're experiencing symptoms of DDS.
Love Aba and Destiny conversing
The aba content cycle is so good
destiny being banned off twitch has unironically been the best thing to happen to his career
I agree
What did he get banned for?
Even tho I understand Destiny’s anger toward FD signifier and Noah Samson I’m still a fan of FD signifier I appreciate some of his video essays cus not every one of them is about politics and he brings up many black issues that I can identify with
His Kanye videos got me hooked, man.
FD and Noah are ironic to me. Since how they complain yet then don't offer solutions except just listen to them because "they're right" when really they're just the other side of the coin to the very content they mock.
@@ExeErdna I don't think the coin analogy works for tolerance. FD and Noah are very inclusive, they speak to every person be they black, trans, woman, you name it.
Sneako & Nick are not. Sneako does his best to bully softer men into submission and rally his audience to do so. In what world are they part of the same coin and equal?
@@adrianbrodin1319 That's because you're talking about those they advocate for not their oppositions. I'm talking about their Opps. FD, Noah and leftist like them talk big shit about redpill in an unproductive "My side is right they're wrong". They NEVER think they're wrong which is why the left stagnated.
It doesn't matter whom you preach to, it's about whom you're trying to reach. That's why FD and Noah are no better than the people they mock.
@@ExeErdna Your stance here sounds extremely biased, but I'll bite.
Talk big shit? Noah usually just reacts to whatever redpillers say. He is literally responding to their arguments. How is that just saying "my side is right they're wrong"? If anything, the recent Sneako-video with them reacting to his response shows in perfect detail how Noah is willing to discuss and reaches common ground twice in his video(when he agrees about the KAM-pod and when he says he thinks Sneako is a good interviewer), only for Sneako to scream nonsense and call him a pussy over and over again.
You can't be serious?
While I agree that these conversations need to be had in order to poke holes in the concepts they preach. I don’t think people bring enough awareness to the matter that the people this red pill thing affects more than anyone cares to mentions are children and people with children who don’t have the time and/or energy to monitor every little thing on the internet. Or worse, children who have ABSENT PARENTS. Most people don’t have the luxury to distract kids from the over reaching grasp of social media. A lot of kids don’t have parents at all to argue against this stuff either.
I understand the necessity of discussion, but the more you discuss his views with him, the more appealing he becomes to children who only understand, money cars, girls and the allure of being a bully. Couple that with boys innate want to be considered a “man”, it could disastrous. Deplatforming at least removes him from some of the eyes of impressionable young boys
Red pill the youth. Bullying is helpful
Children are going to find it regardless. If bullying is alluring to a child that kid is already fucked up before ever hearing red pill rhetoric. Most are just going try to use the info to get laid because that’s what they care about most. If listening to red pill grifters turns someone into a woman beater they were already going down that path regardless.
They're not watching redpill, they're most likely on THAT SIDE OF RUclips, a tiddy stream on Twitch, or getting caught up in crungo shit in Roblox or Minecraft. Redpill is shit mid to late teens watch. Also you're complaining about "Redpill" while ignoring the problematic leftist shit that online that fucks people's heads too. If you're gonna call one out call them ALL out, since the left is not innocent.
I agree wholeheartedly with you. I'm a very argumentative person & my 2 oldest; my daughter who's 14 & my son who's 13, are both now starting to watch some political content creators. Especially my daughter. I am constantly challenging things they believe. Luckily they watch left leaning, but we have the same issue on this side too. My daughter started watching Hasan for a while & I constantly pushed back on things she repeated from him. I haven't yet got her to start watching Destiny, but she stopped watching Hasan on her own & said she realized he's fake as fuck. So maybe me questioning the things they hear & making them look at their beliefs from a different point of view is actually working. I sure fucking hope so.
@@Hognosetopia Sadly this confirms why Hasan needs to go from Twitch. Besides a few others. Since I knew underaged people be in these streams. Yet it's good she realized he was fake and you were there to guide them
The IQ bell curve is insane. Completely ignores historical context and how races have been treated in society over the years.
That shit is wild to me. How come nobody brought that up?
Yeah iq differences do exist but they become negligible (like 1-5 points) when things like education, wealth, etc are leveled.
How do you explain the fact that their IQs and crime rates are the same in countries with no history of oppression like Denmark, Sweden, Norway, etc...
@@jonahgann5947 lol wrong
@@freeyourmind9997 they can't. and these people also truly believe white and Asian people have never been poor or oppressed. it's honestly mind boggling.
@@freeyourmind9997 I literally said they were negligible when that's taken into account
No one is saying the ideas shouldn’t be debated, this is such a dishonest spin, ppl just don’t like when destiny or aba talk about how funny and cool nick Fuentes is and how he’s discovered all the underlying truth of everything, he’s just a little off on the conclusions
Lol Destiny's rant cracked me up. I'm black and content creators like F.D Signifier bother tf out of me.. Yes they do serve a purpose to some extent, but overall I cannot stand the pretentious, know-it-all, overly condescing type of pro-black rhetoric that a lot of these people spew. . All it does is promote more division and alienation among black folks.
I really dislike Twitter liberals who only ever complain about tates, sneakos and Fuentes likes but constantly mistate the core appeals and fail to effectively challenge their rhetoric. While the optics suck I'm grateful for white "savior" destiny and black "savior" abas incisive yet friendly questioning. I use savior not literally but somewhat literally because the need for effective pushback is so underrated. Destiny hit it on the nail the sneako audience will fly away with charismatic leaders who can tap into their resentments. When you look at Jordan Peterson while he has a lot more wild(stuff I personally don't agree with) takes, he tapped into resentments and actually called for largely positive changes. He is the best person I can think of to have the ear of young resentful males who can't get past the targets of their anger I'm surprised he wasn't pulled in by the left at times because in the past he was a moderating voice for male aggression and violence. I'm still not sure why left leaning pundits hated him sometimes more than genuinely negative voices. Do people really want men running around with uncontrolled anger or bubbling resentments?
If you look at the comments on the debate panel video,a good amount of people thought Destiny was playing the white savior and was straw manning Nick Fuentes. I can see why someone would think that, but Destiny has a long history talking to Fuentes. Fuentes was hiding his power level, so Destiny was bringing up past talking points to expose his true intentions to Sneako's followers or any new potential follower that are unfamiliar with Nick.
I don't think he was hiding his power level much, I think a lot of people just blatantly lie about some of his positions or take things he's said in joking/half joking remarks and act as though they're core to his ideology.
Nicks not the next Hitler, he's a religious racist, it's not uncommon or rare to have the views he's holding. He doesn't want anyone exterminated, he doesn't want anyone mass deported except illegals and if possible the legals that are able to go back to their home country, and he'd like America to stay a white majority which the same goes for 90% of the human population towards their own home countries.
We can disagree with his ideas, but his ideas are pretty common and its crazy people dramatize them so much.
@@Shadowh8ter I disagree, Fuentes would want America to ideally be an ethnostate, but he says it's not realistic. He wants to force women out of the workforce and to stay at home. He carefully skirts the line of a white Supremacist because that rhetoric works alot better in this era. He claims he's a soldier of God, but wouldn't marry another soldier of God if they weren't his race.
I'm not sure where you are getting these numbers that 90 percent of people want their countries to stay one race, but here in America that is clearly not the case. Fuentes is an extremist in America, he's even too much for the super conservative CPAC in which forced him to start AFPAC.
@@steveng6704 Wanting an ethnostate and acknowledging its not realistic isn't that extreme of an idea. Even in the West the majority of countries are borderline if not literally the same demographics as America before we changed our immigration policy, and outside of the West its literally every country.
Wanting women to have traditional roles in society is what a large percentage of the right believes in, that's not a crazy or radical idea. Being a trad girl or a trad wife is literally what you're describing.
You can be a soldier of god and also care about your racial heritage at the same time. I disagree with his opinions on race mixing, but just because you value A more than B doesn't mean you also need to stop valuing B. He's Catholic and his opinion on marriage isn't out of love, it's not hard for him to find a white Catholic woman and if he values a white Catholic woman more than a black Catholic woman why would he settle for a worse option in his mind?
That 90% number is me referencing the entire world homie. Idk if you just have this American centric view and you aren't aware, but almost the entire world is an ethnostate and the only exceptions are America, Canada, and some of the Major European countries. Everywhere else is almost exclusively a single race and essentially every country that is an ethnostate has immigration policies that restrict immigration to maintain their racial dominance within their own country.
Also if Fuentes didn't have his opinions on Jews he'd be mainstream for CPAC. People like Tucker Carlson and Charlie Kirk also talk about women being in traditional roles and America's racial demographics being ruined by mass immigration. If he never revealed his opinions about Jews and never commented on race mixing he'd literally be on Fox News.
@@Shadowh8ter You're downplaying Fuentes. He doesn't merely advocate for women to have traditional roles. He wants to ban them from most workplace environments and from assuming any traditional men's role. That's Authoritarian and an extreme position in this era of America
@@steveng6704 So you fully acknowledge that while Fuentes wants an ethnostate but acknowledges and accepts he can't have it because at this point it's simply not doable, but at the same time think Nick wants to just blanket make it illegal for women to have jobs, and you don't think he'd find that to equally be a tall ask? Of course if he could do that and get away with it he would, the same way he would deport 99% of non-white people if he could, but both are equally unlikely desires that would have to be done gradually/indirectly.
Also calling him Authoritarian isn't really an insult or anything towards him he's not a liberal rofl. It's not really a gotcha or an own to call someone whose not of your political persuasion what their political persuasion is. He is authoritarian, he owns that all the time, and he thinks it'd be a better way to handle the country.
Here's my counter argument. Mixing produces beautiful intelligent people. Just think what inbreeding does, cousin marriage for example.
Also If Humans out of Africa and Neanderthals didn't mix together where would White Europeans be? Be thankful for not only Human race mixing but mixing of species. 👍
The truth is what changes minds. If you stay within your own bubble, you won't change minds. Destiny is best girl.
9:00 I don't think that it stems from not belonging. I think that these people hold a general contempt towards society simply because they feel some deep-seeded dissatisfaction or depression in their personal life without a clear source. This will cause a lot of people to self isolate and develop anti-social behaviours and ideas. Then after that, people can find belonging in these "outsider groups" of self-rejects.
The racial stuff was disgusting man. Hearing people agree with Nick Fuentes in the chat and then Sneako saying he also agreed was not good. It triggered me, and this needs to be discussed more.
My family is interracial. My wife and I have two kids. This mentality cannot continue to persist.
Soon Sneako will get banned, and it will all be over...
@@oritwena1312 unfortunately there will always be someone to replace him
bible says not to race-mix
@@eisenritter7805 no it doesn’t.
@@eisenritter7805 the Bible clearly states “non-believers”. It says nothing about interracial marriage. Take your racist shit outta here
I thought Aba good in the debate. He feels the most connected to the real world and least lost in ideas and theoreticals
One place both of you guys keep dropping the ball and keep setting up easy dubs for Nick is this jump to "not existing". He's a racist, not a genocidal maniac put to eliminate melanin from the human gene pool. Maybe there's something in Aba's linguistic culture where if you don't see something it stops existing, but I don't see that in Destiny's case. Why hand Fuentes easy debunks for no reason?
Damn do I love some destiny/Aba content :)
Sneako finds one thing to like about the guy then will ride him on everything he says
Dead ass aba right at 41:40. Let the joke hang for a bit people gonna try to out of context clip you to make you out to be something you're not anyways might as well let the jokes sink it for a bit looool. Anyways great recap vid. I didnt get to catch this after debate convo
Lmao the notion that most redpillers agree with Nick is absolutely laughable. Redpill is inclusive. Women of all skin colors can be 304’s.
28:23 yup Destiny is completely right!!🙏‼️‼️
Ideas don't die, you can only temporarily inoculate against them.
I love this side of Aba. He should do more research and switch lanes sometimes. He has a subtle way of speaking on serious topics.
Imma be real I had no clue who Keffals was until Vaush started simping for her after she claimed to get destiny banned.
I found out about her through ReviewTechUSA lol
*he
I love Aba talks :)))))))))
So Destiny finally admitted, he does indeed have a girl's name. Amazin.
Censorship has neutered the left’s ability to debate, and I’m here for it.
FD Signifier is great Destiny wtf are on, you just don't like him but he does more for converting red pillers than your average video essayists
FD doesn't solve the problem he's just a leftist using redpill's gimmick. A talking head going off about XYZ is how you're supposed to live. Basically at the root he's a leftist Tate with how he presents his world view without realizing it won't work for a lot of people.
I think we need to start bridging again. Destiny and other creators can't go on hating on each other like this or be too harsh on each other. Criticism is good but is taken way too personal or with too little consideration for the other party.
F.D Signifier did a great job I think presenting A&P in a way that reflects his views without being too harsh. He was being fair. And trying to be fair I think is something F.D Signifier does great in while Destiny don't extend it to leftists in the same way.
Notice how when he spoke about N Fuentes he mumbled quickly how NF felt about black ppl! 🤨🤔
The bald black american guy was too emotional, u guys should do a part 2 of this, but without him.
i agree with destiny.. but the platforming question is still interesting to me... think about it Destiny... You platformed Hasan.. Vaush... now these 2 people are bigger than you preaching absolute shit.... so what does that say about platforming and the idea that the "good" ideas will always beat out the shit ones?
I honestly disagree with Aba and Destiny(especially Destiny) on so many things, I love their vibe together, it seems so authentic and at least half way reasonable, even though I think they have moral blind spots, they are such good faith actors.
Sneako just smoking that alt right pack. Doing the most to pander when he can up on lecturing people about racism. I fux with the “old heads” providing context and really deepening this discussion
Common Nick W
I 100% agree on the point that it deradicalizes somebody when they meet someone cool from the group that the person “hates.” I never “hated” trans ppl, but thought it was a little weird until I played on a paintball team with a trans woman. She was cool af.
This was like a decade ago 😅 Shout out Shayna if you happen to read this ❤️
I had a jewish friend in primary school who I should thank someday.
My father is antisemitic and anytime he tried to talk to me about jewish people,
I just thought "Lucas in not like this so jewish people can't be that bad".
There is a very high likelyhood of me being antisemitic without that friend.
Funny how Destiny didn't care for FD signifier, I found him recently and criticized him because he refused to talk to anyone or debate about one of the videos he made. I have questions if he believes the things he says or if he HAS to believe what he says and that's why he doesn't want to be challenged by it
He's like you're typical leftist once they get some brass they don't want talk to others. Yet WILL talk about others, he's a choir preacher. He really doesn't care about changing things.
Not everyone is made for debates and not all subjects are to be debated in the same fashion that Destiny is doing it. Destiny even says that there is a place for essayists but I feel like Destiny's behavior or the way he speaks of others in the sphere doesn't cultivate the type of similar engagement he has. He is very harsh and if they don't 100% handle a subject well or disagrees with him on something Destiny is very quick to dismiss them. I know there's history there that explains this but I don't think Destiny is trying to reach across effectively to leftists in the same way he does to the right which I feel he handles very gently lately.
He fails to realize that he needs the same attitude to those on the left if he wants to 'change' their minds or make what he says legitimate.
Also, he gets way too annoyed at tweets sometimes. So annoyed that his points kinda gets lost in the sauce.
@@TheAnimaAnimal Yet you have to remember how Destiny was treated when he was mainly a "leftist" they basically spit in his face and wanted him gone. While still clamoring for all those weak ass talking points. "right wing is evil" while have damn near no solutions, except for "obey us we're not tyrants they are" After that ignoring a lot of people are either black or some sort of people of color. They're not THAT right wing they're overall tired of "white" leftist telling them how to live. Which is their right.
People can’t disagree with this man without a rant. FD signifier literally didn’t say anything that deep to warrant that response.
I hope the Aba bridge never burns … but we all know eventually it will … soy
Noah will Never come on after his experience trying to defend himself against Vowsh
I don't like how Destiny gets to irrationally mad at tweets, take the fucking compliment even if it is a bit backhanded. It's something at least, how come he can handle Fuentes so smoothly but one tweet from a leftist on Twitter just crumbles him. Do leftists need to praise you to high heavens and agree with everything you do for you to acknowledge them.
This is why F.D Signifier has him blocked.
Best panel in half a decade