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@@DrJD123 no no, it’s definitely a let’s play. I’m still rewatching the Elden ring walkthroughs. I’ve been running in circles and jumping at my mount for hours but I still can’t trigger that secret Boss. Have to rewatch.
Aba makes a good point, main stream media is not helping young men especially those who are struggling to get in a relationship, therefore they can only resort to red pill advice which has helped. I was talking to friend of mine who never had any woman approach him or talk to him ever, he still had hope because his favourite content creators gave advice like "be yourself" and "there is someone for everyone" which clearly was not very helpful advice. However, one day on tiktok a red piller literally shouted on screen giving him a reality check that no woman would ever approach him and the reasons why, a week from then he grew the courage to start conversations with women and realised that he would never find anyone unless he approached first.
Sometimes it can be hard to tell if Aba is against the red pill shit or with it though. The stuff he often says is very "women only want guys that do x conventional thing so if you don't you're a loser," but it sounds like he pursues really immature, uneducated women and then uses his experience as a highly generalisable example of what women want.
In fact the mainstream media then mooks in feminism or breadtube hound on boys "not getting". While also clapping at women being toxic. I seen the vids when YT was wilder with women burning clothes, hitting men, saying a lot of horrorable stuff. Then seeing some tiktoks doing the same mess. Yet people go "red pill lies" ignoring all the good red pill does even if there's some people that aren't "nice" to women.
@@FreekinEkin2 I think he agrees with the fact that a lot of Men are really struggling with even finding a woman that is interested in them, I think he then disagrees on what happens after like forcing your woman to delete their Instagram and controling stuff.
I think Aba serves as sort of a "normie reality check" filter when it comes to xQc giving his takes. Destiny trains him in the tactics, and Aba makes sure that he's actually able to reach the target audience. It's important to remember that you're almost never actually aiming to change someone's mind in debates like this; what counts is their audience being able to understand you and maybe changing their minds.
Is it really the norm that you would jump in front of a bullet, sacrificing your life for your girlfriend?? Obviously your child is a different question, one that xqc even admitted he would sacrifice himself for, but I guarantee you 90% of guys that say shit like "yeah bro I would give my life for my gf", would never actually take the bullet given the situation.
@@henryhearn838 I think that really depends on the girlfriend. If the guy thought she was his possible future wife, I'd think a majority of men would take the bullet.
@@henryhearn838 I have a reaction to protect the people I love, I would hope I love my girlfriend assuming it’s not a new relationship where we are trying to build it.
@@henryhearn838 Listen. Assuming this was a super serious gf of mine, and there was literally nothing else I could do to protect her, I think would jump in front of her. My position is more nuanced, however. I wouldn't jump in front of her because of some internalized idea of "my role as a man". I would do it simply because I love her. Actually, I would hope she would love me enough to do the same for me, though obviously ideally I would be the one doing it for her. I think people have responsibilities toward the people they love, regardless of gender. I too am weirded out by this idea that it always has to be the man sacrificing for the woman. I understand where that idea comes from, that being the generalized physical differences between men and women, but taking general disparities and turning it into some kind of orthodoxy is extremely misguided IMO and doesn't maximize happiness.
Tbh xQc learning how to debate is legit great content. It would be hella interesting if he hones his skills and starts making strides in that regard haha.
@@Adam-zh4hm In this context, his skill at debate I suppose. Though the flip side is that I don't think xQc's current audience really watches him to see him debate people lol.
How is it good faith when Aba immediately calls all twitch streamers scrawny nerds who don't get laid? Once again it's the low IQ debater that has to take personal attacks to get his point across. Corny. tactic. Andrew Taint did it in his debate where he starts off like "You know I would beat the crap out of you in person if you spoke in a disrespectful tone to me". Just corny.
49:11 What is this "positive" advice destiny speaks of? I have watched him for a few years, and his response to questions like this has always been "if you were ever going to be able to do it, you'd already be doing it. If you need someone to teach you then you'll never be able to do it", pretty sure thats the definition of black pill?
Wow, Aba's take at 1:05 knocked it out of the park instantly. Us terminally online, on any side of the political spectrum, are so far disconnected from the normal viewpoints and dont even realize it.
I love when aba and destiny link up. Aba represents the average person, and the average pogchamp viewer needs at least a tiny glimmer of how people act outside of the internet
@@rando8831 I got what u meant, he understands the underdog very well, he’s one of us. But many of us can’t relate to his level of status, as he is quite rich. He’s definitely a good human tho
@@moonknight4053 you missed the point, Aba comes from an average background, therefore able to argue for the "average person". I'm pretty sure they brought a similar point on stream, but Aba isn't Trump where as Trump came from a rich background, therefore Trump CANT represent the average person very well, Aba can because he's lived an average lifestyle, had average life experiences, ECT. Therefore he is able to speak for many of us average people, but I also like Aba because he is a great representation of the Black Community, Aba is a great leader all round, but definitely towards Black people, and that really hits home. Aba has dipped in and out of many situations, and therefore now he has the understanding.
The reason people like Aba are important is because he has a grounded underlying Thought-Process, to where he has a very measured and 3-Dimensional approach to gathering information and formulating prescriptions that are coherent with the real world. Xqc had Logical assessments, but a few didn’t correspond to what takes place in the real world.( _Logical_ but not _Sound_ )
As i see it Xqc interpreted treating women like crap as a advice to get women, when they sell it as a reword for following their advice of making yourself successful. Saying "if you treat women like that you will not get any women" is totally missing the mark. He should push back on it as a crap reword for making yourself successful, not as a bad strategy to get women because it's not the strategy to get them in the first place
I think our society is struggling with the reality we "want" and the reality of our biology. I think a lot of men are sick and tired of hearing the potential realities women expect. Knowing deep down that their biology doesn't complement these "liberal" view points. Destiny quoted Tate "you'll do your thing and I'll do my thing and we'll see what works" referring to xqc and his relationship. The problem a lot of more blue pilled leaners forget is that western relationships aren't only competing with with the ideologies of the west but relationship ideologies of the east and south (Africa and south America). A lot of the red pillers arguments are that these new western ideologies are simply getting to complex for people to keep up with. Back in the day, if your wife got caught cheating, shed be killed or excommunicated and in some cases the man she cheated with as well. Now based on my western values, this behavior is wrong, both the cheating and killing. But in the attempt to distance our behavior from the killing (or in a more friendly terminology, barbaric behavior) a over correction has occurred that is seeping into the conversation around cheating rather then the reaction of cheating. The Red pill community is in a sense a pushback against this line of thinking. First you have the metoo movement then the red pill community. The redpill community had been around for decades but could only take hold after the overcorrection of the metoo movement. These two ideologies will now be fighting, improving and competing on mass. This is why tate said "we'll see what works". Men are on unequal playing grounds regarding law (child support, alimony, abortion). You can't claim men and women are equal when you have laws that act on the basis of biology. It contradicts both the statement and the goal. Tate posits that his view points are better due to the fact they are rooted in biology and religion and even science. The me too movement is more of wishful thinking. This is why people like Jordan Peterson are so important, because he represents a middle ground in the relationship arena. Rather then men being subject to women or women being subject to men, It is best to have both. You and your partner should be devoted to each other (a relationship is not 50/50 but a 100/100). This is why the integrity of marriage is so important, people have been discussing and attempting to solve this issue since the dawn of man. Having a relationship where both people in the relationship won't just leave, cheat or abuse each other is the goal. But as Peterson says "humans only have insufficient solutions to complex issues" and that you cant have everything. I view tate more as a side of the coin than the entire coin. But to say what he is says is complete bullshit is just ignorant, and to say women have all the answers is also complete bullshit.
@UCFiVpqBRSyDi7ZHzgGr9uVA it’s important because the lack thereof of grounded _Thought-Processes_ are arguably the reasons why many have percolated into extreme viewpoints for a variety of social-political issues. For example, We see this manifest as the _dialogue-tree_ Thought-pattern, where individuals who haven’t grounded their thoughts on particular issues begin to either loop or look for vectors to reengage with their _dialogue-tree_ the minute you ask questions that break its continuity.
31:44 this is the point that Andrew Tate makes when he says that money only amplifies the person. If a person was depressed and had low self esteem before he/she becomes rich, then that person becomes a depressed person with money. A dork with new money becomes a dork with money. The point is that a person needs to develop themselves by fulfilling intrinsic needs that a person needs to feel complete and or accomplished. This is a reason a person whom everything is given a lot of times ends up with a horrible life because that person has no sense of accomplishment
Tate hasn’t earned his money anymore than Xqc has. Before Tate was famous before he did kickboxing he was a skinny insecure loser with a weak chin and a receding hairline. He’s still that guy but now he has money so women pay attention to him.
@@ThinWhiteLuke Before he had money he was dirt poor living in Luton lmao, he always had that egotistical confidence, you can look at the shows he was in at 21 years old and see that he was always the same person.
@@ThinWhiteLuke I don’t get that impression at all from Tate that he is some insecure loser with money. He comes across very competent, self assured, self aware, and secure in who he is. Probably because he did do kickboxing and it helped build his confidence. You can see him interact with other women and see he has charisma and women are attracted to him. He was even on a reality tv show years ago
Because this hypothetical is very extremely stupid LMAO. Even if he stands in front of his child or wife. The bullet will still go through him. The gun can have more than one bullet still. There can be more shooters. What im saying here is. That this is some mancho bullshit. That most people surprisingly can't understand. Life isn't some Hollywood action movie lol.
He doesn’t realize how terrible it makes him look when he can’t make basic concessions on something that is universally accepted. Tate: “If there is a threat to you and your family who should deal with said threat?” XQC: “Well what if my woman is a super saiyan with homing missiles?”
I'm not surprised honestly. I like the guy and tune into his stream sometimes, but let's be honest he is a child in a grown man's body. I can't ever even imagine him raising a child one day. I think he will just stream and play games until he dies of a heart attack when he's like 60.
All of u mfs posturing here like saying "yes" makes you as brave as someone who actually did that for their loved one. You have just said Yes to a hypothetical, it doesnt make you a hero lmao
Fucking based Aba spitting facts. I've literally went out with a friend couple weeks ago and he's good looking, but he was so bad at talking to people. Being good looking is such a big advantage he didn't even have to work for it
Hard disagree. Good looks make things easier, but knowing how to talk to people is the waaaay better skill to have. My friends who get the most dates are pretty okay looking dudes with confidence who have no problems talking to people. The good looking ones who are awkward have a way harder time. It's no comparison.
@@maxwellsdemon10 oh, yes I agree, maybe I didn't express myself properly. I didn't mean to say it's better to be only good looking, I meant to say it's just an advantage from the get go. But overall knowing how to talk and act is better ofc
Beauty privilege do exist. Jeremy Meeks (the handsome convict) is the living example. Dude straight up made million dollar contract in fashion industry as male model and got a billionere heir as gf asap after he released from jail. Just because his photos went viral in Facebook and girls simping over him. Lmao. Beautiful people get things easier, but you need more than good looking visual to maintain your career, job, and reputation.
@@bound6172 This is very true. The fact of the matter is that most streamers have and will never have to live a normal adult life, which is where a lot of the applications of these discussions actually matter.
Aba is right. Tate wasn't asking what xqc would do to a life or death situation, he was asking about whether or not he possessed the masculine instinct to protect. If responses to high pressure scenarios is on a spectrum with instinctual on one side and logical on the other, Tate leans 100% instinctual while xqc leans 100% logical. The problem is the most logical outcome doesn't produce the most heroic outcome, and as a culture we place a high amount of value on heroes who engage in self-sacrifice. As an example, if Tate had to choose between him and his wife getting on the life-boat of the Titanic he would sacrifice himself (or at least he says he would) no questions asked. xqc on the other hand might ask questions like 'Who is best suited to take care of the children?' or 'Who has more value to society?' While xqc's approach might produce better outcomes, allowing your wife to die because you make more money than her or something would result in that man being downright detested by all of society including his own kids. I think this is a big problem with what I call 'hypothetical bullshit.' What xqc is saying makes sense in a hypothetical world, but it completely ignores how society actually functions and results in people being turned off as Aba describes. I doubt there is a single logical worldview you could provide as a counter to this, other than to own up to the fact that you'll be detested for your behavior but that will ultimately result in a better world.
I don’t get what this essay is trying to say .From what is said by red pill gurus like Tate the state of being logical is instinct for men. And idk we tend to view society as this monolith when it doesn’t really work like that Majority of the time. Whether the husband who lets his wife die is hated or understood and sympathized with depends on the demographic of person.
@@iwillgowiththatcat8667 I think Tate would argue that in high pressure situations taking a logical approach that tries to find the best possible outcome is a sign of weakness/cowardice versus an instinctual approach approach that prioritizes defending the weak/women at your own safety. I don't think I'm viewing society as a monolith. I'm 100% correct that a man who would choose his life over his children or wife's lives for logical reasons would be judged viciously. Maybe not by you, but absolutely by a huge portion of the population. There is pretty much no demographic on any country that wouldn't be hyper critical of that decision. Meanwhile if he chose to die he'd be regarded as a hero pretty much universally. Again, we're not talking about losers on the internet but real life flesh and blood human beings.
@@kangaroomax8198 what if my child was hitler? would i be hated for letting him die? what is wrong with answering a hypothetical with a hypothetical answer? also the people who asked him the hypothetical questions did not specify or provide the parameters, they should have said " if you hypothetically had no way to escape or call the police and it was physically impossible to avoid conflict, would you protect your wife if someone broke in and there was no other option but to either die or engage in combat?" you see when tate asked xqc the question then tate was baiting xqc and that was obvious, and also yes tate will come up with a few good points but that is a part of his manipulation to be likable, some of the things tate says in other videos are actually dangerous for society, but he is very good at hiding his intent behind well structured sentences, you see when a person can formulate a sentence that seems professional then people will think that this person knows what they are talking about and that what they are talking about is logical but if you analyze what the person is saying then you see that it makes no sense at all, and if you truly analyze what tate is saying in other videos then you will quickly notice that his point of viev and his advice is actualy bad for a mans mental health, he implies that men who do not live like him are losers and he also says it straight out sometimes and calls men "fucking weak losers", it would be very different if he sayd " i personaly want a woman who likes to cook, clean and live like a traditional woman" what happens between two human beings is totaly between those two people and as long as both parts agree then its not bad at all and then agian it is completly idiotic to even share his views because every single person on earth has their own prefrence when it comes to what they look for in a partner, and if i only want to date women who can take a backflip then if i am hinest about what i prefer and i put myself out there then eventually i will find a woman who is ok with that and lives up to my standards, let people like what they like, tate wont let you like what you like, he will call you a "loser, beta, weak bitch", so i dislike him simply because of him being disrespectful and manipulative, he is very sneaky and he will say one thing in one video and then another thing in another video to not get hate, in xqs´s debate tate acted like "hey its ok, live how you want" but that is not how tate actualy vies the world, he has in other videos been like " if you dont think like me then i hate you AND you are a loser". all i have to say is: if you believe in one thing then i dont mind what you belive in and i dont care what you think about what i belive in but i would prefer if you allow me to live life how i want without attacking me because i am not going out of my way to attack you, there is more to life then money, politics and women.
@@AwetisticlyPerfect I'm not going to read that wall of text, but asking 'what if my child is Hitler' is going against the spirit of a debate. Tate was providing a pretty straightforward and realistic scenario: Home invasion and trying to understand if xqc would instinctively defend his woman or not. The answer is he would not, and that's all there is to it. That was Tate's entire point. I'm not condoning 100% of Tate's worldview, I disagree with him on a lot of things. I personally think he's voicing what's worked for him, trolling, and rallying a massive base. Not too unlike Trump actually. My argument stands. xqc looked really bad not being able to deal with a simple hypothetical, and what Tate was asking wasn't even unreasonable. As Aba said, like 99% of men on Earth would have unquestioningly said "Yes, I would protect my wife no matter what" and the fact xqc didn't do that provided Tate all the ammunition he needed to make xqc look like a coward.
How could no one get Xqc to admit he was wrong and was just being dishonest with the hypotheticals and in 15 min Aba got him to admit that he was just being stupid 🤦♂️
Because he's not here to have an actual conversation, he's here to have the "correct" views and get owns. i've been saying the same thing, and a bunch of stans come to his defense. if he actually cared about any of this he would have done research and understood to even the slightest level opposition arguments and even his own sides arguments. He just wants validation, comes across really poorly to anyone on the outside who isn't already his fan.
@@zip1233 Yeah, it did seem that he was more interested in 'winning' the argument than to answer the question. Like even when asking Destiny for help, he constantly asked about the way to win it lol
If his answer to “would you want children?” was an instant no, would people seriously see it the same way? Desire to have children, current state of life, his age, goals…if a kid isn’t on someone’s bucket list. Who are the real assholes for judging hesitation. Isn’t the audience/viewer entering the reality of “oh you don’t wanna have kids? that’s messed up”. That’s like asking an adopted kid, from birth, if they would cry or get depressed to know that their biological parents are dead. While living a happy life with adoptive ones. Is it correct to judge them if they say “No”? Could you even begin to fathom the internal confusion that must happen in their mind knowing what the socially correct answer is while not being able to locate feelings for ppl you never met? Ppl can’t get out of their biases. If you don’t subject people to experience unique conflicts of emotions, vast majority of humans will not empathize with you because of how rare the experience is. Desire to not have kids is growing and a large portion of the population reject that fact.
@Research Er i agree with cornpop. Imagine your mother or father standing and watching while you got beat up or something. Its not a masculine macho thing, its a duty you have as a parent. If that happened I wouldn’t look at my parents the same.
@Research Er Ah yes the surety in which you have deemed your logic to actually override ingrained biological necessity. Sorry, your parents were lacking on that I guess, if it makes ya feel better, you wouldn't be alive if modern medicine and technology weren't around to provide a safety net for them to continue their lineage with biologically unfavourable behaviour traits for survival. I'd go with the take you being born in the modern age as a show of you deserving to be here instead of angrily trying to deny survival of the fittest though.
Destiny your take early on in this video about checking your significant other’s phone is an excellent take. Of course it’s possible it can work, but if this is a standard behavior in a relationship then the relationship is most likely so far gone there’s little hope.
You can't ask Destiny on relationship advice or what he thinks is acceptable or unacceptable. His relationship is fucking weird. Most men and women want no part of what he's involved in. Normal people can't relate.
@@animeking17 nah it definitely doesn't. Most men can relate to Tate. He advocates for a normal men and woman relationship. The man is the head of household, the woman maintains the household and supports her husband. Destiny's wife literally fucks Other men. Which do you think men generally want? Don't be an idiot.
I protected my DOG from a fire and I would protect as best as I could my MALE family members from any intruder. And I have in fights. And this X would hide under the bed lol
Destiny stop providing us this much good stuff rn. I need to prep for my GRE and everytime i sit down for it this good ass shit is really hampering my progress
A week ago a random guy that said his car broke down comes knocking at my door at 1am,(his car no where in sight), so I talked to the guy through the door and told him I'd call the cops to possibly give him a ride wherever. It took them 35 mins just to get here, then the cop sat in his car for 5mins after pulling up before getting out.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor yeah, they did. I live WAY out in the country, so it's just weird for anybody to come knocking randomly at night. After talking to him for 10-15M at 2am at this point, they started to pull out, stopped, pulled back in, cop shines his spotlight on the trees bordering my yard/field, and it seems the guy ditched a bike in the trees there cause the cop made the guy get out, get it and put it in the back of the SUV before taking off again. I was kinda glad I called the cops after seeing that, I assumed that guy either stole that bike after his car broke down, or was just lying for whatever reason about what was going on, idk, was weird.
@@ryohio4706 That's good, I'm glad everything worked out. I live in at the end of a long driveway on a dead end dirt road off of another bigger dirt road - which is closed 4 months out of the year due to flooding. There is no way anybody ends up at my front door by accident, especially in the middle of the night.
Majority of people would disregard him including his own audience. Only difference is he managed to sell a persona that works well with his absurdity. We have literally watched hours of a 26 year old being walked through the concept of an analogy and still not getting it. Twitch is just reality tv for zoomers who have deluded themselves they are too smart for reality TV.
You say this as if Destiny and XQc aren't friends. Destiny has talked to several people with different and far worse world views and has only hung up or called them a moron IF they were hyperaggressive.
@@criticalplus So... We're parading this moron around like a freak on a leash (I heard that damn bass line in my brain when I typed that) and it's okay because he's not getting upset or aggressive?? I mean, I would kinda be down for making him the face of Left Wing Debates - but that's because I think it's funny when you guys look bad.
@@markjohnson3196 on some basic facts sure. But the enormous conclusions Tate makes based on those basic agreements Destiny certainly wouldn't agree with.
@@usmanh770 Chatting - (I don't see destiny winning against Tate based off facts and statistic. It would be easy to debate a lifestyle someone wants and doesn't have, but the life Tate is vocal about is exactly the life he lives, so there is no winning against that, because tate has exactly what the people who listen to him want. Destiny is not going to win over anyone who is already on the Tate train by the simple fact that he lets his gf sleep with other men. As he said you have to be able to provide a better alternative and destiny doesn't have one.)
No im pretty sure his point was that being allowed to think on a hypothetical and its outcomes is much different than being in a forced to decide to situation. That was his whole point on saying that dealing with a hypothetical in that situation was flawed and just backed off to saying yes he would take the bullet.
I just commented this on a thread, feels like his life is a video game and he is trying to get the perfect ending. If feels like he thinks he is a navy seal with 15 years of deployments under his belt.
@@zambot264 A female navy seal with 15 year worth of deployment? I was talking about a hypothetical not fictional.. No the point was to have that type of composure you need to be highly trained, you don’t need anything to pull a trigger.
Wait, destiny rants on how checking phones is NEVER just checking phones, it's always controlling and manipulative and the relationship is toast if you do that...... Then says he and melina check eachothers phones? Doesn't that prove its not always bad to check phones, it can be consensual and non chalant?
There's obviously a difference. First of all, they both do it, it's not just one insecure person being controlling to the other party. Second of all, they're in an open relationship, jealousy and fear of cheating isn't exactly a factor.
I'm guessing neither of them make a big deal of it, and it's not coming from a place of suspicion. When other people make a big deal it probably is coming from a place of suspicion
@@ForeverMasterless Just because you're in an open relationship doesn't mean you can't cheat. I think Destiny is full of shit. Everyone gets nervous or insecure sometimes. To say it NEVER happens means he has conquered a core human emotion. It's fine to check phones, just don't obsess over it.
@@kangaroomax8198 Why do you think he is in an open relationship? Probably because he doesn't want to worry about her cheating and all the drama it brings.
idk why x keeps trying to knock these hypotheticals. These are very common and plausible scenerios. It also gets across the goal of understanding someone's point of view on their duty to their loved ones.
It's not just xQc, a lot of people in society are questioning everything right now because they're surrounded by propaganda telling them 2 + 2 = 5. You have teachers confusing children about sexuality, doctors telling patients men can get pregnant, historians telling white people they're inherently racist... xQc is understandably very confused, I don't blame him.
There's ppl that are "super" rational, and such ppl can't handle hypotheticals. There's ppl that can't even answer something as simple as "what's your favorite genre of music" because they get in a whole list of details that leads down the rabbit hole where they can't answer that question.
@@Seoshinawi There is something cringe about thousands of normies larping as action heroes, outraged about someone taking time to answer a question about a situation they have themselves never experienced, yet xqc did, multiple times.
Here from the future. Xqc's training goes a little too well, his channel starts outpacing every other political streamer, he becomes the biggest channel on the platform, he overthrows world governments with just his shear debate prowess and by the end he can only be defeated by the joint forces of Destiny, Vaush, Jordan Peterson, and Baron Trump.
People keep getting frustrated that xQc won't engage hypotheticals or gets hung up on analogies. You guys should look up what being on the spectrum is. Even xQc took a test a few years back & it said it was highly likely he's on the spectrum, but he refused to acknowledge the results or go see a doctor. He specifically shows signs of a being a HFA like Chris-chan. People on the spectrum can't really comprehend hypotheticals or analogies so they will spaz out if you pose one.
Bruh, he literally refuse to answer someone else's hypothetical and then threw a hypothetical back at them. He knows exactly what hypothetical scenarios are. But he is too immature to admit that the answer he gave was terrible.
8:00 this rant from Destiny really makes me feel out of touch. RUclips has been the only "social media" I've been using since I deleted Facebook in 2018. I'm not sure it would even occur to me TO look at somebody's instagram.
I agree with Destiny with the phone checking think. It’s one thing if you just want to see my phone for whatever reason. Not like I have anything to hide. But when it’s done out of pure insecurity the other party will always take the smallest things out of context
Yeah, but he countered himself by saying he do it too, they check each other's phone because they just don't care. He is doing the talk but not the walk.
@@SpicySiopao isnt that funny? like what reason do i have to be on your phone if i own my own phone? thats like me and you owning the exact same watch and i ask if i can use yours for a while.... the only reason people have for checking another persons phone is to see if you have been deceitful, and if your partner wants to see if you are faithful or not then in my opinion that is a big red flag, and i would then assume that the person is projecting, i would most likely then think that my partner is cheating because they find it so important to catch me sending or receiving messages from other women lol, and like destiny said " me and my partner check each others phone because we dont care" but in reality if they did not care then they would not check each others phone in the first place, so that was flawed logic and dishonest, but he migh not know this consciously though, it could be a subconscious insecurity that he hasnt noticed but he is definitly acting on it.
@@JakovLSSJ4 Japan conqured most asian countries back in WW2 and occupied virtually all of them. The only parts of China they weren't in control of were under British rule....
As much of a kook as he is, the thing that made Peterson's advice so appealing is that it was ACTIONABLE. It has something concrete that you can actually start doing. Most self help is incredibly nebulous and abstract. For example, what the fuck does "be yourself" mean? How do I start "being myself" right now? Journaling, therapy, even exercise are all long term practices with no immediate gratification. Whereas "clean your room" is incredibly simple and you can start making progress the second you stand up from your dorito covered gamer chair. You'll even feel better if you only clean a little bit. Peterson is one of the most annoying and self aggrandizing people ever but you gotta give credit where it's due.
I know what a clown, like the dude is gonna be able to think about all that in the heat of the moment. If he’s scared from getting swatted by law enforcement imagine if some big ass criminals break in his house. I understand what he’s trying to say but it’s fantasy and not realistic.
God destiny's chat defending the "I wouldn't save my kid from being shot" argument is such a blackpill. You can tell most his chat is under the age of 25 though, so hopefully they are just ignorant. If it comes down to it, and it's your own flesh and blood, you WILL sacrifice yourself for your kids, always. You may not think it now because you "got no skin in the game" but once you do, you'll grow up real fast lol
They are being ironic. Basically, anytime someone asks a question with an obvious answer, they will meme by being contrarian and post the GigaChad emote. So if someone on stream asks Destiny "I think we can all agree that killing a random child for no reason is wrong. So you would never do that, right?" Chat would predictably respond with "I would" GIGACHAD
I think most people in chat defend it because in a scenario where you're being a human shield or plan on rushing the intruder your sacrifice would be for nothing and wouldn't put your child in any less danger.
@@Alex_Johnson_ I mean i get the gigachad troll answers, I was talki g about the ones thay were saying dumb shit like "UH THEY WOULD JUST KILL YOU AND YOUR KID." Like, what? There's also a high chance that they wouldnt? The point is you most likely wouldnt even give it a thought, you would just protect
About the jealously thing: it's still possible to be jealous in a monogamous relationship, and to let that jealously harm your relationship. I don't think an absence of jealously is required for poly/open, but a strong emotional intelligence is definitely a requirement.
4:00 I think here Aba view is heavily skewed by the party/entertainement industry in California or Montreal in which he is involved Going out to party a lot as a student =/= being around big baller dudes. The general population will encounter plenty of douchebags. Doesn't mean they are successful douches
@@outlaster3431 idk about that chief. Define success I guess. Because if we go with financial stability, etc, isn't it the cliche women settling with the financially stable nice guy? People working in tech or the medical fields are probably the closest to what we socially would consider "successful", especially in term of finance and they are rarely grouped with the douche stereotype.
@@TheWaross nah some guys in the are considered stereotype douche but ut also doesn't mean the actual douches don't get girls, and while you are right success is subjective , and that it's cliche for women to settle with financially stable guy ,it doesn't make it untrue or uncommon
Aba is the only one here with a reasonable, realistic mindset. The other two just ooze estrogen and have this intellectual pretentiousness in regards to such trivial topics.
Melina and Destiny have a "policy" that they can look through each others shit, but only after saying how those same ppl who looks through phones need to break up then creates a caricature of said woman in an attempt to separate his version of "looking through the phone" as good, whereas everyone else that does it, is doing it in this gross insecure, nagging way, even though its literally the exact way he himself does it. Why create a policy to go through the phone at all if its only for insecure ppl who just want to nag. Love Destiny, but these lil things annoy me ngl
What is intention anyways? When a partner asks to go through your phone it is most likely tied to insecurity and a lot of other insecure actions, if they ask out of curiosity or for another reason, then it's fine. It's that simple. I'd love to go through my partners phone, I'd love to read what they write and how they communicate with others and what others say to them, but I don't need to, because it's pure curiosity and zero jealousy. When Destiny talks about his deal with Melina it sounds similar.
@@lyrrr.8059 I don't buy it. The essence of looking at how your partner communicates with others isn't to see if they are good, as you are with them, so by extension you already believe that, so you are checking if they are consistent. not even if they are cheating. If Destiny was saying that they just have each others phone passcodes and if her phone is nearby Destiny can use it to google search or order food or the like, but that didn't seem to be the implication. It seemed that he separated his, " I'm looking through my girls phone for inconsistencies" from other versions when they are practically the same. Can a totally lax person be completely taken advantage of if they never concern themselves with checking for inconsistencies? Yes. And Also, a person can be way over bearing and insecure about it while their partner is completely consistent in and out of their mobile device. Ultimately, there is no difference, especially when trying to prescribe these feelings of negativity to others you haven't met. Which, btw, is what his main critique of Andrew Tate was. Love Destiny might I add, and my mantra of, i can also be wrong, comes in handy while I continue with: Thats how I interpreted it
The best thing of all this going on is we have someone like Destiny who is big enough to pull everyone into these conversations with each other together. Patiently waiting for him to talk to Tate next!
I'd love a Destiny vs Tate debate... It'd be the first time Tate would actually get his views challenged by someone who's great at debates but he'll never change I'd just be interesting...
@@andrewstarr8062 yea probably... Destiny already said overall he gives alot of helpful suggestions for life but the only real problem is if Tate is telling other guys to live like him because 99.9% of men will never achieve the type of lifestyle to live like Tate. Which is most definitely true over all.
Since the dawn most men were used as soldiers or enuch servants and only a few powerful men had harem of women. Then men came together formed a group where women are equally distributed to most men without any revolt again tribe or nation. Now, you give power to women who only wants top 10% of men but they don't commit to her, hence you have guys like Destiny and other weak men who tries to rewrite natural wirings into men and women are same and can have equal choice bla bla bla. That's why it's in so much mess. When simple fact like men in mass have power to control every aspact of that nation or tribe rather than stifling them or brainwashing them to be dormant little boys or obedient puppies, you will see a lot of these degeneracy and crime will go away. Most men need a woman who will stick by him through thick and thin. Train women to get a man on her calbre and stick by him regardless of ups and owns. You will build the strongest society ever. Stop giving power to govt. or top 10% of men. The only way to have a happy and productive society is by crushing hypergamy and enforcing distributive monogamy. SIMPLE!!
You can understand where XQC is coming from on his response to the home invasion hypothetical. He has dealt with MANY home invasions, and an absurd number of them have been at the hands of SWAT teams. Based on his lived experience, a hostile response to a home invasion could result in suicide by police.
None of Tates fans are going to acknowledge this. They think he’s a nerd, therefore he knows nothing about anything and doubt everything he says. Xqc could say water is wet and Tate and his fans would push x to doubt.
Most people have movie inspired fantasies about how they would deal with situations like but truth is that you can never fully prepare and predict how you will respond to these things and in most cases it won't be glamorous and you won't be or feel like a hero at the end.
ALWAYS negotiate your salary, even if it is low (in any corporate job, not service, that depends). It's about establishing the precedent that you desire a better rate. That aspect of "big dicking" in a job interview is not really big dicking, its expected and you might even be perceived as overpaid if you just take it. I think I recall that people who negotiate their first salary make 20% more in their career as a whole. Those conversations are expected and any awkwardness that arises in the conversation easily dissipates afterwards. This is because the hiring manager's salary is almost never dependent on yours. Additionally, companies that don't make their employees feel valued have higher turnover (and hiring is MUCH more expensive than bumping up someone's pay, even significantly). From my own experience, you might not get what you want in that first conversation, but they will almost always exceed your number come eval time (assuming you performed like you said you would).
The problem xQc has is he's not in a "truth seeking" state of mind, but a reactionary state of mind where he personally knows women who are bothered by these labels, which of course shapes his experience and opinions... and his goal is not to reason through these conversations, his goal is to stop guys like Andrew from hurting people's feelings. The other problem xQc is not aware of is that being offended is a relative concept... conservative women don't feel bad when they hear guys like Andrew talk, but liberal women do... that's not a question of "right" or "wrong", but differences in culture...
All that is true. As much as people try to be "woke" and "progressive" - their utopian worldview of the sexes is exactly that - utopian. So it crumbles against reality checks, and they HATE that. So they wiggle, contort, and speak in all this made-up good-sounding prose to try to diminish reality. Sometimes reality doesn't feel good. Too bad, so sad. I notice that even Destiny won't cave to some of these fundamentals. He will mock/diminish people's messaging like Tate or even Jordan Peterson... even though they are DEAD CORRECT on the women/motherhood/caring/home-making happiness theory. The hard truth is that there are VERY FEW women who can forego motherhood, replaced with solely a "career" - and end up feeling complete, without regret, by age 40. VERY FEW. The more progressives push against this, the worse they dig themselves into a falsehood. It's just never going to be true. Sometimes trad-cons are CORRECT. Sometimes. But nobody on the left gives and inch.
And culture can be morally inept. And we can criticize it without telling people to not engage with it. It's actually very annoying that you said he's not in the "truth seeking" state of mind. When people are saying horrible shit that's wrong, it shouldn't be tolerated. Being impartial is fine if you're not doing it just to do it
That has always been my point too. People who just spend all day on the internet telling me about social justice and how to date are just living in a fantasy world they're not out actually living in the real world.
What you guys are missing is you don’t know what tate says other than the controversial shit. He tells men to build themselves up if they want to live like he does. He does not say the guy at Walmart can do what he does. He says the guy at Walmart needs to get his shit together and then he will have the ability to live his dream
So let's break this thing down. A guy can definitely build himself to be better in terms of being in better shape, having a job / career that have a solid skill that can provide an income of somewhere around six figures, having better social interact with women, and a couple of other ways for a guy to prove himself. But unfortunately for the average guy the majority of them are not their reach the level to be a multi-millionaire or a billionaire where they can basically choose not to have the rules apply to them regardless if we're talking about legal rules ( unless they get caught doing a serious crime like murder via providing hard evidence ) or social rules ( that's been set by people in monogamous relationships particularly ). If the average guy try to tell the average chick that he's dating that he does not wants the chick he's dating to sleep around with other dudes, and for the average guy to be allowed to sleep around with other chicks while dating that chick, then that average chick would probably walk out of that relationship faster then a cheetah running with a firecracker up its a$$. The manosphere mindset when it comes to that particular situation is not really going to help that average guy to be in a successful monogamous relationship due to them not having the money, power, and status to have the ball in his court. Especially with social media where people share things, the word of him saying that is going to spread like wildfire and it might ruin his chances of him ever being a long-term successful monogamous relationship.
Funny enough, I do honestly think XQC does have good takes on things. His issues are that he easily succumbs to his own rage and he has difficulty articulating how he feels (gets worse when he gets more mad). If he can improve those two things, I do think he'd be able to debate things pretty well.
I don't even get why he got shit for his takes. It's fair to criticize him for unnecessary rage and for not taking the hypotheticals as they were presented but his answers were pretty honest instead of prioritizing how it looks to the audience. Should you take the bullet for your wife? Societal pressure will force you to say yes but once you're in the situation, who the eff knows what your split second decision will be.
I mean his take on masculinity is pretty bad... He puts himself exactly 50/50 with a woman in every hypothetical presented to him because he's afraid of offending women, and the only guys who think like this are guys who are weak and empty vessels that allow women to plant their own ideologies into them. Once these guys adopt feminist ideas and behavior, they no longer think like men, they think like women... so when someone makes a joke about women, or puts a label on them, he's going to have an emotional response to this in defense of women because he thinks like a woman. If he thought like a man with masculine principles none of this would bother him, but he's not a masculine person... he's a male feminist.
@@riptor4532 Hes a pale stick bug, wdy expect from someone who stays inside all day and let's his gf grind all over a new person they jist met. Vampire vibes🙏🏾
35:30 Don't be disingenuous. I think Aba knows that they acknowledge that their actions are antithetical to Islam and Christianity in a lot of ways. They tend to say that those religions are the BEST WAY FOR SOCIETIES or proven to work for societies or etc. They don't recommend them or say that they're practicing. There is a BIG difference.
In the hypotetical case that 2 guns are pointing to the man and his girlfriend, why should a man sacrifice himself for the girl? I mean yea sure it sounds poetic, and it would be quite heroic to sacrifice yourself over someone else you love, but like, both lifes are equal? If a man prefers to think for himself over someone else, why is it soooo wrong? Why is the man's life considered as having less worth which is why people say he should 100% "sacrifice" while the woman never should? This used to make sense when we were tribals because a woman had way more worth than a man for a small tribe/town, but that is no longer the case because we are no longer living like that, most of us are living in an average town of easily millions of people. In the case of the man and his child it makes way more sense to "sacrifice" and it is almost an obligation because the child is your responsability and that child exists because of you. But a woman that you dont even know if you are still going to be a couple 3 years in the future? idk man
logically there is nothing wrong with it, theyre just saying most people would. like you have no obligation whatsoever to feed a starving child some of your bread loaf but most people would, at best the reasoning there is probably something like fostering a system where anyone would do that for anyone
Destiny is missing the point. Tate is telling you to improve yourself to increase success in life. He's NOT telling you change your attitude and you can have multiple women. Destiny is making it sound like your not going to improve significantly with women.
"what if it's your child" is basically a plea for making exceptions. It doesn't necessarily mean you wouldn't otherwise think that same thing for general society. It's two completely different things. There is nothing wrong with driving around looking for your lost child, but not doing it for everyone in the neighborhood.
the way i would answer the question is this: yes, i would feel some sense of duty to protect my girlfriend/wife because i love her, she is my partner, but not in a "my life is less valuable than your life" sort of way. when it is something like a gun, a guy would not fair better than a girl in that situation, so there is no more of a duty for me than there is for my girlfriend. People who love each other protect each other. if it was a situation where there is a guy holding a knife, then yes i would say i would have more of a duty to protect her simply because i am stronger than her, she would likely get clobbered, but NOT because of "ooga booga, I have a dick, I am the guy."
I think Tate's message wasn't to make us view what lifestyle people should have, but rather "you should run your life the way you want, not how society trend wants". The moment he's not enforcing anything on anyone, you can't really say there's anything wrong with it. I like monogamy, it's the way I want my relationship to be. I wouldn't like my girl to go to clubs on her own either, has nothing to do with security. XQC trying to attack someone else's way to live their lives is just a straight loss.
Another issues is that men do not get proper advices in mainstream media space and when they hear some red pill advices and they work for them well they become red pilled themselves.
@RealMenloveblueberrywaffles Tate too does have a video where he beats/spanks woman with belt...with her consent...and she later tells him he was too soft and to do it harder. As for young men, what hope is that horrible divorce, child custody, false allegation and paternity related laws/policies will change. I also hope affirmative actions which benefit women won't exist, emotional abuse will be paid more attention to and purpusful parental alientations will be punished.
@RealMenloveblueberrywaffles the issue is that, Tate literally says he sets a standard and wouldn't date women that doesn't meet his demand. By definition, it is their consensual relationship. It is none of your business. People hated the religious right because how they try to put their nose in everything and act how morally superior they are. The same logic can now be applied to the woke left. If a woman right now tells me that she agrees to lose some of her freedom in exchange for money in a relationship. I would be like, aight, your life your choice.
Nah Aba, for the gun example, maybe I overthink too much as well, but standing in front of someone isn't stopping a bullet. Even attacking the gunman is more optimal than standing in front of your SO/child.
ur probably right, especially depending on what gun/bullet it is, but i think the question is ultimately about whether you would try to protect your SO/child in a dangerous situation. its like a principle/instinct vs strategy/tactics thing
@@ben6073 Yeah, but that is from the sounds of it, the problem that xQc seems to have with both that hypothetical and the one Tate gave. They're asking a question of principle but failed to consider that tactically, the action is counterproductive. And then when xQc is like, can't I do something else, that sounds stupid, they think he's saying he's against the principle (although Aba at least gets clarification that on principle xQc would agree). idk, I guess, I just want better hypotheticals XD
@@ahmedreads1794 It's not going over my head, I can understand the point of it and also criticize the wording of the question. They're not mutually exclusive.
It might be easier to ask if he would sacrifice himself for his mom. Xqc probably hasn’t experienced love yet, the kind of love that would make you sacrifice yourself. If I was a single rich dude like Xqc it would be hard to say yes I would give my life for my girl or kids but as someone who is older, married and with kids it’s a no brained. A lot of this stuff comes down to life experience. In my 20s I wouldn’t have jumped in front of a bullet for some random chick I met on tinder but your mentality changes once you love someone.
@@pikemilestone2672 they have been living together for multiple years..... They broke up briefly and have gotten back together and since then he has moved to Canada and is staying at one of his families places atm they aren't living together I'm pretty sure.
12:10 The responsibility is not to 'get in front of the bullet'. The responsibility is to do everything in your power to protect your child. I think the conflation of those two things is what trips xQc (and me) up. When Aba proposes a *specific action* for xQc to take, 'get in front of the bullet,' it makes the question seem more like he's asking "what would you do?" or "how would you protect your child?" in this situation, which is a much different, and any answer to a question like that basically becomes posturing.
@@capilah6285 I'll respond to each of the 3 main paragraphs one by one. 1. I actually think Aba's hypothetical is bad because, again, what he meant didn't match what he said. I think Aba meant "in that scenario is your responsibility to do everything in your power to protect your child," but what he really said was "is it your responsibility to get in front of the bullet," and these are different. Let me present my own hypothetical to illustrate how they are different. So hypothetically it's the same scenario where there is a guy with gun about to shoot your kid, but in addition you have a gun and know how to use it. If your responsibility is to get in front of the bullet, you would run in front of the bullet and maybe save your kid at the cost of your life, but also the shooter might just be able to kill both. If your responsibility is to do everything you can to protect, the logical action is to shoot the shooter before they shoot your kid. So this is a sub-hypothetical of Aba's hypothetical where what Aba meant doesn't match what he said. Therefore the hypothetical is bad. 2. I agree that that's what most men would say. The one thing I would add is that the men who chastise you for not agreeing to that are cringe and posturing. A home intruder scenario encompasses a large spectrum of scenarios, and confronting the intruder is not the best action every single time. The reason these hypotheticals are bad is because there are so many potential edge cases that most people just ignore. 3. I think x sees that the hypotheticals are bad, but he doesn't know how to explain why they are bad, so he avoids them. I agree that it's important to engage in hypotheticals, but it's also essential to fight for hypotheticals that don't break down in the edge cases.
@@elijahbuscho7715 the point of hypotheticals isnt always to illustrate a detailed scenario so that your action is optimal and objectively correct. hypotheticals will always be more abstract and dilluted in comparison to reality, because they possibly cant be as precise as reality. the point of hypotheticals is more of a principle/moral check and every normal person understands this too. "would you catch a bullet for your kid?"; of course you would unless youre a bad person. the question isnt "what is your optimal and realistic course of actions so that you maximize safety for your kid?". its not about method, its about principles. xqc even repeated that in this video but he still for some reason refused to answer clearly and satisfying for the normal person.
@@BigBootyBatman hypotheticals can of course be used in that way, but my point is that Aba's hypothetical was poor at doing that. If you want to do a purely moral check, you have to build a hypothetical where you eliminate all other factors except the morals in question. Here's an example of a good hypothetical to test this: suppose your kid was going to die, and the only possible thing you could do to save him was press a button and you would die instead, what would you do? There really is only one answer. Either you press the button and sacrifice yourself for your child, or you do not. This hypothetical is much better because it cuts out any real life factors that distract from the core moral principle. I believe that this is what Aba was trying to get at, but he missed it slightly.
@@elijahbuscho7715 your hypothetical is in no way better except it's far more contrived and unrealistic, something even X would criticize. The moral question is as clear as it gets in Abas example: are you altruistic in the face of danger in favor of your close people? The only right answer has to be yes, because that's what family is about.
@@BigBootyBatman what if the gunman missed? What if he was out of ammo? What I could have thrown something at the gunman to give me time to tackle him and take away his gun? What if always carry a gun and I could shoot the gunman instead of taking the bullet? What if the gunman just wanted to use the gun as a threat and if I just kept still instead of running in front of my son we'd both survive, whereas the sudden movement of running would cause the gunman to fire, killing us both? These are all valid sub-hypotheticals that are possible under Aba's hypothetical, and with these the answer to the question is no, I would not take the bullet because there is a better way to protect my family than just getting shot. Therefore the answer to Aba's hypothetical is NOT always yes. So the hypothetical doesn't cover all of the edge cases and is therefore bad. These types of sub-hypotheticals are impossible with my more synthetic hypothetical because all edge cases are covered, unless you can think of a counterexample. That's why the more synthetic hypothetical is better. It cuts away any distracting possibilities while retaining the moral question.
XQC's answer disappointed me greatly. It was a question of where you fall on the morality scale essentially. What type of man you are or more specifically what type of man you strive to be. A man who leans more towards being a man of duty, principle and morals would put himself in harm's way if it meant a better survival chance for his beloved wife or child. A man who leans more towards being a psychopath would just look to save his own skin, because he can just find another woman to have kids with and further his genetic lineage, while also preserving his precious life and existence for as long as he can. You can argue it's the most rational thing you can do in this case, but if every man strives to be like this, we are fucked. In a world full of people like this, society suffers, humanity suffers and destruction is what inevitably follows.
Counterpoint: People tend to overestimate how strong people's predicted (but usually unknowable in reality) responses to “lifeboat” situations are as predictors of pro-social and productive behavior in most areas of life. Plus, if we _needed_ paragons to advance society, we'd never have advanced past mud huts. War criminals like Fritz Haber enabled the deaths of millions, while simultaneously enabling the lives of billions. He also possibly drove his wife Clara to suicide. People can be complicated. Concepts of honor and self-sacrifice were stronger in the American South than in the North, all the way up to the civil war. It didn't seem to help their social fabric, or even their economic and military capabilities much. The factions most obsessed with duty, principle, and the morality of sacrifice in World War 2 were probably the Imperial Japanese and the Germans. Sacrifice was often said to be the highest and most sacred virtue in and of itself for them. If war crime frequency is any indicator, people who see themselves as disposable are the most likely to see other people the same way. Everyone wants others to live by the standards they set for themselves on some level. If you're willing to sacrifice your own life but someone else isn't willing to sacrifice theirs, it often breeds resentment. The biggest mistake I'm seeing here is that people are seeing protecting your kin as a sacrifice. If you value them more than your own life, that's not a sacrifice, that's a tradeoff. You might be dead, but you got more out of it from that outcome by your own standards. The issue seems less due to _selfishness_ (i.e., valuing yourself) and more due to an inability to place greater value in something besides yourself. People have a need to feel immortal to cope with the permanence of death and oblivion. Until and unless actual biological immortality becomes a thing, they need to do this by either believing in a hereafter, or placing value in something that'll outlive them indefinitely, like their biological, familial, ideological, or cultural “lineage”. If you truly believed in a hereafter, throwing away all of your fragile, limited mortal existence (and all of its varied but ultimately finite pleasures) in exchange for eternity isn't being selfless. That's just being smart. It's a decision ultimately grounded in egoism, which was a recurring theme throughout much of Christian culture and the Greek culture that inspired it. If you look closely, even the Imperial Japanese and Germans I mentioned earlier operated this way in practice. Seeing cultural or racial survival as the route to individual “immortality”. The honor and sacrifice stuff is mostly window dressing. Any sufficiently long-term form of selfishness is indistinguishable from altruism. Low time preference and the delayed gratification, short-term impulse control and long-term planning that it enables, is part of the bedrock of civilization. Also, fun fact, one of the symptoms of psychopathy isn't just a lack of empathy, but high time preference, an inability to set or care about long-term goals. What are the odds the lack of empathy and lack of long term vision are intertwined? Your life is a fragile thing, if the happiness of everyone else means nothing to you, why care about the future? You'd be a fool not to live for the moment. You can't get low time preference without a guarantee or at least a high chance of surviving into the future that you contributed to. Hard sell considering how fragile flesh is, especially when times are tough. However, If your “survival” isn't tied to your fragile body… that changes things. It would explain people being less hesitant to take a bullet for their kids compared to a GF or even a spouse that they've known for longer. xQc and Destiny might have a particular problem with the part about taking a bullet for a chick because acknowledging that there's a societal expectation for the guy to take the bullet (one way or another) and supporting it means dragging up all sorts of fun topics, like benevolent sexism that can be a huge net benefit to women as a group. Kind of messes with the whole gender equality thing. Of course, you could just have both partners say they'd do it for the other. EDIT: Not technically disagreeing with your point. Just trying to get into why you might be a bit off in your assumptions about the causes and solutions.
I mean if you still believe in traditional gender roles yeah but if the question was posed to a woman and she chose to protect herself over her husband this probably wouldn't get her labelled as a psychopath. At the end of the day most people will always put themselves first whether that be saving themself or saving those they want to.
I wouldn't sacrifice my life either for a loved one, we only have one life and that to me is more precious than anyone else's life, you're talking down on people who wouldn't want to die as if it isn't a big deal.
46:02 The dude who went to private school and grew up in a huge home with plenty of money but constantly tells people how hard he had to work and how poor he was admitting that he's full of shit and that you shouldn't listen to what he says.
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My brother, you've brought chapters back, youre a hero
These xqc postmortem videos have been excellent. Visionary Content.
Can we talk about how Destiny has been practicing that fence jump for 6+ hours now and is still missing
LOL
I love this genre of Destiny RUclips comment of out of nowhere commenting on the gameplay
@@chandler7493 Wait, you mean this isn't a lets play channel ?
@@DrJD123 no no, it’s definitely a let’s play. I’m still rewatching the Elden ring walkthroughs. I’ve been running in circles and jumping at my mount for hours but I still can’t trigger that secret Boss. Have to rewatch.
@@chandler7493 I’ve gone 4 years without ever knowing what the hell Destiny’s videogame was doing the whole time
Aba makes a good point, main stream media is not helping young men especially those who are struggling to get in a relationship, therefore they can only resort to red pill advice which has helped. I was talking to friend of mine who never had any woman approach him or talk to him ever, he still had hope because his favourite content creators gave advice like "be yourself" and "there is someone for everyone" which clearly was not very helpful advice. However, one day on tiktok a red piller literally shouted on screen giving him a reality check that no woman would ever approach him and the reasons why, a week from then he grew the courage to start conversations with women and realised that he would never find anyone unless he approached first.
Sometimes it can be hard to tell if Aba is against the red pill shit or with it though. The stuff he often says is very "women only want guys that do x conventional thing so if you don't you're a loser," but it sounds like he pursues really immature, uneducated women and then uses his experience as a highly generalisable example of what women want.
A man should never expect to be approached unless your a 10. Anything less, women will not approach.
@@FreekinEkin2 that’s why I was confused when Aba attacked Fresh and Fit. Like what does Aba actually disagree with them on?
In fact the mainstream media then mooks in feminism or breadtube hound on boys "not getting". While also clapping at women being toxic. I seen the vids when YT was wilder with women burning clothes, hitting men, saying a lot of horrorable stuff. Then seeing some tiktoks doing the same mess. Yet people go "red pill lies" ignoring all the good red pill does even if there's some people that aren't "nice" to women.
@@FreekinEkin2 I think he agrees with the fact that a lot of Men are really struggling with even finding a woman that is interested in them, I think he then disagrees on what happens after like forcing your woman to delete their Instagram and controling stuff.
The Xqc apprentice arch is in full swing baby
Exactly what I was thinking. He cultivates.
I'm so sorry for saying this,I feel like such a pedant...it's spelt "arc".
Lmao
@@valipunctro Arch is in reference to the bridge between them, indubitably.
@@sunwheels that will be the master vs apprentice arc
I think Aba serves as sort of a "normie reality check" filter when it comes to xQc giving his takes. Destiny trains him in the tactics, and Aba makes sure that he's actually able to reach the target audience. It's important to remember that you're almost never actually aiming to change someone's mind in debates like this; what counts is their audience being able to understand you and maybe changing their minds.
Is it really the norm that you would jump in front of a bullet, sacrificing your life for your girlfriend?? Obviously your child is a different question, one that xqc even admitted he would sacrifice himself for, but I guarantee you 90% of guys that say shit like "yeah bro I would give my life for my gf", would never actually take the bullet given the situation.
@@henryhearn838 I'm pretty sure the majority of men would have an instant reaction to protect their partner
@@henryhearn838 I think that really depends on the girlfriend. If the guy thought she was his possible future wife, I'd think a majority of men would take the bullet.
@@henryhearn838 I have a reaction to protect the people I love, I would hope I love my girlfriend assuming it’s not a new relationship where we are trying to build it.
@@henryhearn838 Listen. Assuming this was a super serious gf of mine, and there was literally nothing else I could do to protect her, I think would jump in front of her. My position is more nuanced, however. I wouldn't jump in front of her because of some internalized idea of "my role as a man". I would do it simply because I love her. Actually, I would hope she would love me enough to do the same for me, though obviously ideally I would be the one doing it for her. I think people have responsibilities toward the people they love, regardless of gender. I too am weirded out by this idea that it always has to be the man sacrificing for the woman. I understand where that idea comes from, that being the generalized physical differences between men and women, but taking general disparities and turning it into some kind of orthodoxy is extremely misguided IMO and doesn't maximize happiness.
Tbh xQc learning how to debate is legit great content. It would be hella interesting if he hones his skills and starts making strides in that regard haha.
hones what skills?
Or he may become a new Hasan
@@Adam-zh4hm In this context, his skill at debate I suppose. Though the flip side is that I don't think xQc's current audience really watches him to see him debate people lol.
And then Surely we would get a right wing political commentator on twitch. Aware
He needs to start talking properly fast.
Love these civil impromptu discussions where everyone is being good faith and giving actual advice.
It’s sad when good faith is refreshing
Yeah, X was was humbled when he was obliterated by the viewers, but he will be back like a gremlin again because that is the character he is playing.
yeah it was a very nice and chill conversation
How is it good faith when Aba immediately calls all twitch streamers scrawny nerds who don't get laid? Once again it's the low IQ debater that has to take personal attacks to get his point across. Corny. tactic. Andrew Taint did it in his debate where he starts off like "You know I would beat the crap out of you in person if you spoke in a disrespectful tone to me". Just corny.
@@SpicySiopao wtf?
49:11 What is this "positive" advice destiny speaks of? I have watched him for a few years, and his response to questions like this has always been "if you were ever going to be able to do it, you'd already be doing it. If you need someone to teach you then you'll never be able to do it", pretty sure thats the definition of black pill?
he's just psyoping the incels so he can keep more women for himself
He is too blue pilled
Ye in all honesty his takes on advices are in complete contra to his political takes. A complete hot bag of garbage.
Few minutes before that time stamp he literally said “if you’re watching Andrew Tate, you will never be like this”.
and that is why he loses to Tate and anyone like him
Aba: "would you jump in front of a bullet for your girl?"
Destiny: "umm..."
Aba: "what if it's your child?"
Destiny: takes a drink
Xqc: the child has a smaller hit box!
@@rj9436 true and he always try's to find a way to not answer
Fuck no, why the hell do I have to die every time there's a gun or a fire
@@dt-lg2oc It's because xQc is a coward, and he doesn't want to lie. So this puts him in a corner he doesn't like.
@@plexyglass429 science/biology survival of the human race, protecting a child is protecting the future
Wow, Aba's take at 1:05 knocked it out of the park instantly. Us terminally online, on any side of the political spectrum, are so far disconnected from the normal viewpoints and dont even realize it.
I love when aba and destiny link up. Aba represents the average person, and the average pogchamp viewer needs at least a tiny glimmer of how people act outside of the internet
He’s rich lol he’s not average
@@moonknight4053 jesus
@@rando8831 I got what u meant, he understands the underdog very well, he’s one of us. But many of us can’t relate to his level of status, as he is quite rich. He’s definitely a good human tho
@@moonknight4053 really? how rich is he tho? he’s not a massive streamer like these guys. he isn’t broke but is he really “super rich?”
@@moonknight4053 you missed the point, Aba comes from an average background, therefore able to argue for the "average person". I'm pretty sure they brought a similar point on stream, but Aba isn't Trump where as Trump came from a rich background, therefore Trump CANT represent the average person very well, Aba can because he's lived an average lifestyle, had average life experiences, ECT. Therefore he is able to speak for many of us average people, but I also like Aba because he is a great representation of the Black Community, Aba is a great leader all round, but definitely towards Black people, and that really hits home. Aba has dipped in and out of many situations, and therefore now he has the understanding.
The reason people like Aba are important is because he has a grounded underlying Thought-Process, to where he has a very measured and 3-Dimensional approach to gathering information and formulating prescriptions that are coherent with the real world. Xqc had Logical assessments, but a few didn’t correspond to what takes place in the real world.( _Logical_ but not _Sound_ )
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As i see it Xqc interpreted treating women like crap as a advice to get women, when they sell it as a reword for following their advice of making yourself successful. Saying "if you treat women like that you will not get any women" is totally missing the mark. He should push back on it as a crap reword for making yourself successful, not as a bad strategy to get women because it's not the strategy to get them in the first place
I think our society is struggling with the reality we "want" and the reality of our biology. I think a lot of men are sick and tired of hearing the potential realities women expect. Knowing deep down that their biology doesn't complement these "liberal" view points.
Destiny quoted Tate "you'll do your thing and I'll do my thing and we'll see what works" referring to xqc and his relationship.
The problem a lot of more blue pilled leaners forget is that western relationships aren't only competing with with the ideologies of the west but relationship ideologies of the east and south (Africa and south America). A lot of the red pillers arguments are that these new western ideologies are simply getting to complex for people to keep up with. Back in the day, if your wife got caught cheating, shed be killed or excommunicated and in some cases the man she cheated with as well. Now based on my western values, this behavior is wrong, both the cheating and killing. But in the attempt to distance our behavior from the killing (or in a more friendly terminology, barbaric behavior) a over correction has occurred that is seeping into the conversation around cheating rather then the reaction of cheating.
The Red pill community is in a sense a pushback against this line of thinking. First you have the metoo movement then the red pill community. The redpill community had been around for decades but could only take hold after the overcorrection of the metoo movement. These two ideologies will now be fighting, improving and competing on mass. This is why tate said "we'll see what works".
Men are on unequal playing grounds regarding law (child support, alimony, abortion). You can't claim men and women are equal when you have laws that act on the basis of biology. It contradicts both the statement and the goal.
Tate posits that his view points are better due to the fact they are rooted in biology and religion and even science. The me too movement is more of wishful thinking.
This is why people like Jordan Peterson are so important, because he represents a middle ground in the relationship arena. Rather then men being subject to women or women being subject to men, It is best to have both. You and your partner should be devoted to each other (a relationship is not 50/50 but a 100/100).
This is why the integrity of marriage is so important, people have been discussing and attempting to solve this issue since the dawn of man. Having a relationship where both people in the relationship won't just leave, cheat or abuse each other is the goal. But as Peterson says "humans only have insufficient solutions to complex issues" and that you cant have everything.
I view tate more as a side of the coin than the entire coin. But to say what he is says is complete bullshit is just ignorant, and to say women have all the answers is also complete bullshit.
@UCFiVpqBRSyDi7ZHzgGr9uVA it’s important because the lack thereof of grounded _Thought-Processes_ are arguably the reasons why many have percolated into extreme viewpoints for a variety of social-political issues. For example, We see this manifest as the _dialogue-tree_ Thought-pattern, where individuals who haven’t grounded their thoughts on particular issues begin to either loop or look for vectors to reengage with their _dialogue-tree_ the minute you ask questions that break its continuity.
*Buzz Buzz*
XQC: "I'm not good at hypotheticals" Trust us X, we know
XQC is definitely getting cheated on
31:44 this is the point that Andrew Tate makes when he says that money only amplifies the person. If a person was depressed and had low self esteem before he/she becomes rich, then that person becomes a depressed person with money. A dork with new money becomes a dork with money. The point is that a person needs to develop themselves by fulfilling intrinsic needs that a person needs to feel complete and or accomplished. This is a reason a person whom everything is given a lot of times ends up with a horrible life because that person has no sense of accomplishment
Tate hasn’t earned his money anymore than Xqc has. Before Tate was famous before he did kickboxing he was a skinny insecure loser with a weak chin and a receding hairline. He’s still that guy but now he has money so women pay attention to him.
@@ThinWhiteLuke Before he had money he was dirt poor living in Luton lmao, he always had that egotistical confidence, you can look at the shows he was in at 21 years old and see that he was always the same person.
@@ThinWhiteLuke I don’t get that impression at all from Tate that he is some insecure loser with money. He comes across very competent, self assured, self aware, and secure in who he is. Probably because he did do kickboxing and it helped build his confidence.
You can see him interact with other women and see he has charisma and women are attracted to him. He was even on a reality tv show years ago
@@veritasabsoluta4285 I remember him on the ultimate traveler, he was such an asshole on it.
@@hinglemccringleberry1255 who hurt you ?
Xqc does not understand how hypotheticals work lol, he refuses to engage with every one presented.
Because this hypothetical is very extremely stupid LMAO. Even if he stands in front of his child or wife. The bullet will still go through him. The gun can have more than one bullet still. There can be more shooters.
What im saying here is. That this is some mancho bullshit. That most people surprisingly can't understand. Life isn't some Hollywood action movie lol.
and he made up a hypothetical with Tate.
"Well, if my girl has more training than me, then she can get the gun"
Between people who don't understand hypotheticals, and people who don't understand analogies, I don't know who's more frustrating to argue with
He doesn’t realize how terrible it makes him look when he can’t make basic concessions on something that is universally accepted.
Tate: “If there is a threat to you and your family who should deal with said threat?”
XQC: “Well what if my woman is a super saiyan with homing missiles?”
When Tate said he's comparing women to cars for a specific reason, so don't get caught up in the analogy
xQc: gets caught up in the analogy
the fact that he hesitated to say yes to taking a bullet for his own kid, baffling. Could have at least just lied for the optics, lmao. Jesus
yassssssss, lets encourage bad faith engagement
@@nendu4316 How is that bad faith? Would you take a bullet for your own kid? Is this really a bad faith question? Get off the internet, i beg
yeah i didn't expect that like damn. i think because he's very immature tho
I'm not surprised honestly. I like the guy and tune into his stream sometimes, but let's be honest he is a child in a grown man's body. I can't ever even imagine him raising a child one day. I think he will just stream and play games until he dies of a heart attack when he's like 60.
All of u mfs posturing here like saying "yes" makes you as brave as someone who actually did that for their loved one.
You have just said Yes to a hypothetical, it doesnt make you a hero lmao
Fucking based Aba spitting facts. I've literally went out with a friend couple weeks ago and he's good looking, but he was so bad at talking to people. Being good looking is such a big advantage he didn't even have to work for it
Says pedro15305
@@lockelamora4184 I'm sorry?
Hard disagree. Good looks make things easier, but knowing how to talk to people is the waaaay better skill to have.
My friends who get the most dates are pretty okay looking dudes with confidence who have no problems talking to people.
The good looking ones who are awkward have a way harder time. It's no comparison.
@@maxwellsdemon10 oh, yes I agree, maybe I didn't express myself properly. I didn't mean to say it's better to be only good looking, I meant to say it's just an advantage from the get go. But overall knowing how to talk and act is better ofc
Beauty privilege do exist. Jeremy Meeks (the handsome convict) is the living example. Dude straight up made million dollar contract in fashion industry as male model and got a billionere heir as gf asap after he released from jail. Just because his photos went viral in Facebook and girls simping over him. Lmao.
Beautiful people get things easier, but you need more than good looking visual to maintain your career, job, and reputation.
Abba is way more conscious of normal people struggles then Destiny and XQC.
than*, not then
streamers dont leave their house you expect them to know what real people struggles are?
@@bound6172 This is very true. The fact of the matter is that most streamers have and will never have to live a normal adult life, which is where a lot of the applications of these discussions actually matter.
@@seabar6902 do you think I disagree?
i agree
Aba is right. Tate wasn't asking what xqc would do to a life or death situation, he was asking about whether or not he possessed the masculine instinct to protect. If responses to high pressure scenarios is on a spectrum with instinctual on one side and logical on the other, Tate leans 100% instinctual while xqc leans 100% logical.
The problem is the most logical outcome doesn't produce the most heroic outcome, and as a culture we place a high amount of value on heroes who engage in self-sacrifice. As an example, if Tate had to choose between him and his wife getting on the life-boat of the Titanic he would sacrifice himself (or at least he says he would) no questions asked.
xqc on the other hand might ask questions like 'Who is best suited to take care of the children?' or 'Who has more value to society?' While xqc's approach might produce better outcomes, allowing your wife to die because you make more money than her or something would result in that man being downright detested by all of society including his own kids.
I think this is a big problem with what I call 'hypothetical bullshit.' What xqc is saying makes sense in a hypothetical world, but it completely ignores how society actually functions and results in people being turned off as Aba describes. I doubt there is a single logical worldview you could provide as a counter to this, other than to own up to the fact that you'll be detested for your behavior but that will ultimately result in a better world.
I don’t get what this essay is trying to say .From what is said by red pill gurus like Tate the state of being logical is instinct for men.
And idk we tend to view society as this monolith when it doesn’t really work like that
Majority of the time.
Whether the husband who lets his wife die is hated or understood and sympathized with depends on the demographic of person.
@@iwillgowiththatcat8667 I think Tate would argue that in high pressure situations taking a logical approach that tries to find the best possible outcome is a sign of weakness/cowardice versus an instinctual approach approach that prioritizes defending the weak/women at your own safety.
I don't think I'm viewing society as a monolith. I'm 100% correct that a man who would choose his life over his children or wife's lives for logical reasons would be judged viciously. Maybe not by you, but absolutely by a huge portion of the population. There is pretty much no demographic on any country that wouldn't be hyper critical of that decision. Meanwhile if he chose to die he'd be regarded as a hero pretty much universally.
Again, we're not talking about losers on the internet but real life flesh and blood human beings.
@@kangaroomax8198 what if my child was hitler? would i be hated for letting him die? what is wrong with answering a hypothetical with a hypothetical answer? also the people who asked him the hypothetical questions did not specify or provide the parameters, they should have said " if you hypothetically had no way to escape or call the police and it was physically impossible to avoid conflict, would you protect your wife if someone broke in and there was no other option but to either die or engage in combat?" you see when tate asked xqc the question then tate was baiting xqc and that was obvious, and also yes tate will come up with a few good points but that is a part of his manipulation to be likable, some of the things tate says in other videos are actually dangerous for society, but he is very good at hiding his intent behind well structured sentences, you see when a person can formulate a sentence that seems professional then people will think that this person knows what they are talking about and that what they are talking about is logical but if you analyze what the person is saying then you see that it makes no sense at all, and if you truly analyze what tate is saying in other videos then you will quickly notice that his point of viev and his advice is actualy bad for a mans mental health, he implies that men who do not live like him are losers and he also says it straight out sometimes and calls men "fucking weak losers", it would be very different if he sayd " i personaly want a woman who likes to cook, clean and live like a traditional woman" what happens between two human beings is totaly between those two people and as long as both parts agree then its not bad at all and then agian it is completly idiotic to even share his views because every single person on earth has their own prefrence when it comes to what they look for in a partner, and if i only want to date women who can take a backflip then if i am hinest about what i prefer and i put myself out there then eventually i will find a woman who is ok with that and lives up to my standards, let people like what they like, tate wont let you like what you like, he will call you a "loser, beta, weak bitch", so i dislike him simply because of him being disrespectful and manipulative, he is very sneaky and he will say one thing in one video and then another thing in another video to not get hate, in xqs´s debate tate acted like "hey its ok, live how you want" but that is not how tate actualy vies the world, he has in other videos been like " if you dont think like me then i hate you AND you are a loser". all i have to say is: if you believe in one thing then i dont mind what you belive in and i dont care what you think about what i belive in but i would prefer if you allow me to live life how i want without attacking me because i am not going out of my way to attack you, there is more to life then money, politics and women.
@@AwetisticlyPerfect I'm not going to read that wall of text, but asking 'what if my child is Hitler' is going against the spirit of a debate. Tate was providing a pretty straightforward and realistic scenario: Home invasion and trying to understand if xqc would instinctively defend his woman or not. The answer is he would not, and that's all there is to it.
That was Tate's entire point. I'm not condoning 100% of Tate's worldview, I disagree with him on a lot of things. I personally think he's voicing what's worked for him, trolling, and rallying a massive base. Not too unlike Trump actually.
My argument stands. xqc looked really bad not being able to deal with a simple hypothetical, and what Tate was asking wasn't even unreasonable. As Aba said, like 99% of men on Earth would have unquestioningly said "Yes, I would protect my wife no matter what" and the fact xqc didn't do that provided Tate all the ammunition he needed to make xqc look like a coward.
I love how Aba humbles destiny, he makes destiny a better streamer imo
Cause Aba is a real black dude.
@@EldritchBladesgaming 😐
@@EldritchBladesgaming and we love him for that.
@@onionfarmer3044 for sure, known of aba n preach way before destiny.
How could no one get Xqc to admit he was wrong and was just being dishonest with the hypotheticals and in 15 min Aba got him to admit that he was just being stupid 🤦♂️
@@МаратГабдуллин-б5ф Just think about it.
@@Kuroganemk2 and that is??
@@realslushy Watch the video?
Because he's not here to have an actual conversation, he's here to have the "correct" views and get owns. i've been saying the same thing, and a bunch of stans come to his defense. if he actually cared about any of this he would have done research and understood to even the slightest level opposition arguments and even his own sides arguments. He just wants validation, comes across really poorly to anyone on the outside who isn't already his fan.
@@zip1233 Yeah, it did seem that he was more interested in 'winning' the argument than to answer the question. Like even when asking Destiny for help, he constantly asked about the way to win it lol
Aba: "Would you take a bullet for your child?"
XQC: "Uuuuhhh."
Already off to a great start.
@Research Er You obviously don’t have children
@Research Er Nice bait.
If his answer to “would you want children?” was an instant no, would people seriously see it the same way? Desire to have children, current state of life, his age, goals…if a kid isn’t on someone’s bucket list. Who are the real assholes for judging hesitation. Isn’t the audience/viewer entering the reality of “oh you don’t wanna have kids? that’s messed up”. That’s like asking an adopted kid, from birth, if they would cry or get depressed to know that their biological parents are dead. While living a happy life with adoptive ones. Is it correct to judge them if they say “No”? Could you even begin to fathom the internal confusion that must happen in their mind knowing what the socially correct answer is while not being able to locate feelings for ppl you never met? Ppl can’t get out of their biases. If you don’t subject people to experience unique conflicts of emotions, vast majority of humans will not empathize with you because of how rare the experience is. Desire to not have kids is growing and a large portion of the population reject that fact.
@Research Er i agree with cornpop. Imagine your mother or father standing and watching while you got beat up or something. Its not a masculine macho thing, its a duty you have as a parent. If that happened I wouldn’t look at my parents the same.
@Research Er Ah yes the surety in which you have deemed your logic to actually override ingrained biological necessity. Sorry, your parents were lacking on that I guess, if it makes ya feel better, you wouldn't be alive if modern medicine and technology weren't around to provide a safety net for them to continue their lineage with biologically unfavourable behaviour traits for survival. I'd go with the take you being born in the modern age as a show of you deserving to be here instead of angrily trying to deny survival of the fittest though.
Not sure you can teach xqc much. He was trained by GM's in chess and the other day got checkmated in 4 moves.
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He got trained by a *grandmaster* in chess!?
@@marlom7882 the guy who almost competed for world championship this year, so indeed one of the best
@@methatis3013 he got trained by a man of *that caliber* and lost in 4 moves?
@@marlom7882 I think it was around 7 moves, but yes. You can look up the clip easily
Destiny your take early on in this video about checking your significant other’s phone is an excellent take. Of course it’s possible it can work, but if this is a standard behavior in a relationship then the relationship is most likely so far gone there’s little hope.
12:52 XQC : "im only jumping infront of a bullet for my kid if its a 50 cal, 9x19 he got that especially from an angle"
Who knew that Andrew Tate could provide such hilarious content by proxy 😂😂 Aba is like huh?
@Ski Cringe.
@@theobell2002 cope
You can't ask Destiny on relationship advice or what he thinks is acceptable or unacceptable. His relationship is fucking weird. Most men and women want no part of what he's involved in. Normal people can't relate.
Same applies to Andrew tate too lol
Yep
You know that he was in relationships before being in an open relationship right?
@@animeking17 nah it definitely doesn't. Most men can relate to Tate. He advocates for a normal men and woman relationship. The man is the head of household, the woman maintains the household and supports her husband. Destiny's wife literally fucks Other men. Which do you think men generally want? Don't be an idiot.
@@antonkottorp3148 what's your point?
I protected my DOG from a fire and I would protect as best as I could my MALE family members from any intruder. And I have in fights. And this X would hide under the bed lol
He'd send you downstairs with a live grenade becauze you're a navy seal who's done 7,000 tours and Jesus
@@LeoConklin bro I'm so sorry for my nasty comment earlier. Hahaha didnt get your point at first. Funny af 😂😂
@@anjaxtv It's all good💀
@@LeoConklin thank you. I've become a b1tçh ever since I've been on YT. Truly didnt mean to be so effin offensive. Have a lovely day bro ❤❣
Aba considers Destiny as a his friend
...
If you "know" Aba, you know this is huge👀
Cringe
It’s pretty cool Aba is a great guy
@@HumphreyReloaded kevin? Cringe
Destiny stop providing us this much good stuff rn. I need to prep for my GRE and everytime i sit down for it this good ass shit is really hampering my progress
I tuned in for a little bit of the live stream and he was roasting Fuentez, it was glorious. cant wait for that to drop
Whaich gre?
Xqc sees life or death situations like teltare games where time slows down and you can choose between 2 paths or something.
His girlfriend will remember that.
11:30 "maximize survival" means "go ahead and give em a 4th round of buckshot, cuz the cops won't be here for 20-30 minutes" where I live.
Pretty based
A week ago a random guy that said his car broke down comes knocking at my door at 1am,(his car no where in sight), so I talked to the guy through the door and told him I'd call the cops to possibly give him a ride wherever. It took them 35 mins just to get here, then the cop sat in his car for 5mins after pulling up before getting out.
@@ryohio4706 Well, what happened? Did they give him a ride?
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor yeah, they did. I live WAY out in the country, so it's just weird for anybody to come knocking randomly at night. After talking to him for 10-15M at 2am at this point, they started to pull out, stopped, pulled back in, cop shines his spotlight on the trees bordering my yard/field, and it seems the guy ditched a bike in the trees there cause the cop made the guy get out, get it and put it in the back of the SUV before taking off again. I was kinda glad I called the cops after seeing that, I assumed that guy either stole that bike after his car broke down, or was just lying for whatever reason about what was going on, idk, was weird.
@@ryohio4706 That's good, I'm glad everything worked out.
I live in at the end of a long driveway on a dead end dirt road off of another bigger dirt road - which is closed 4 months out of the year due to flooding.
There is no way anybody ends up at my front door by accident, especially in the middle of the night.
If this wasn't 50k viewer streamer, both Destiny and Aba would just hang up and call him a moron
Wrong and not true.
Majority of people would disregard him including his own audience. Only difference is he managed to sell a persona that works well with his absurdity. We have literally watched hours of a 26 year old being walked through the concept of an analogy and still not getting it. Twitch is just reality tv for zoomers who have deluded themselves they are too smart for reality TV.
You say this as if Destiny and XQc aren't friends. Destiny has talked to several people with different and far worse world views and has only hung up or called them a moron IF they were hyperaggressive.
@@rasmusvestergaard4155 In Soviet Russia every color is Red
@@criticalplus So... We're parading this moron around like a freak on a leash (I heard that damn bass line in my brain when I typed that) and it's okay because he's not getting upset or aggressive??
I mean, I would kinda be down for making him the face of Left Wing Debates - but that's because I think it's funny when you guys look bad.
I really hope Destiny gets to debate Tate.
Dude that would be fucking awesome if destiny comes prepared it's gg
It sounds like Destiny and Tate agree on many points.
@@markjohnson3196 on some basic facts sure. But the enormous conclusions Tate makes based on those basic agreements Destiny certainly wouldn't agree with.
@@usmanh770 Chatting - (I don't see destiny winning against Tate based off facts and statistic. It would be easy to debate a lifestyle someone wants and doesn't have, but the life Tate is vocal about is exactly the life he lives, so there is no winning against that, because tate has exactly what the people who listen to him want. Destiny is not going to win over anyone who is already on the Tate train by the simple fact that he lets his gf sleep with other men. As he said you have to be able to provide a better alternative and destiny doesn't have one.)
@@llllllllllll8891 What is an example of these conclusions you think they disagree on?
I love when three of my favorite creators hop into a call and have deep conversations.
xqc thinks real life is like a video game and in these split second decisions he can come up with a full mapped out plan lol
Or sometimes there just is no winning in some situations and you gotta make the best of an unwinnable position
No im pretty sure his point was that being allowed to think on a hypothetical and its outcomes is much different than being in a forced to decide to situation. That was his whole point on saying that dealing with a hypothetical in that situation was flawed and just backed off to saying yes he would take the bullet.
I just commented this on a thread, feels like his life is a video game and he is trying to get the perfect ending. If feels like he thinks he is a navy seal with 15 years of deployments under his belt.
@@Mas-ij3ti you mean his girl is a 15 year navy seal vet lol
@@zambot264 A female navy seal with 15 year worth of deployment? I was talking about a hypothetical not fictional.. No the point was to have that type of composure you need to be highly trained, you don’t need anything to pull a trigger.
Wait, destiny rants on how checking phones is NEVER just checking phones, it's always controlling and manipulative and the relationship is toast if you do that...... Then says he and melina check eachothers phones? Doesn't that prove its not always bad to check phones, it can be consensual and non chalant?
There's obviously a difference. First of all, they both do it, it's not just one insecure person being controlling to the other party. Second of all, they're in an open relationship, jealousy and fear of cheating isn't exactly a factor.
he'd probably consider him and Melina are out of the norm bc they're poly
I'm guessing neither of them make a big deal of it, and it's not coming from a place of suspicion. When other people make a big deal it probably is coming from a place of suspicion
@@ForeverMasterless Just because you're in an open relationship doesn't mean you can't cheat. I think Destiny is full of shit. Everyone gets nervous or insecure sometimes. To say it NEVER happens means he has conquered a core human emotion. It's fine to check phones, just don't obsess over it.
@@kangaroomax8198 Why do you think he is in an open relationship? Probably because he doesn't want to worry about her cheating and all the drama it brings.
idk why x keeps trying to knock these hypotheticals. These are very common and plausible scenerios. It also gets across the goal of understanding someone's point of view on their duty to their loved ones.
Yeah I mean its the point of a hypotheical. Im not sure why he thinks its absurd. It’s not about the described scenario its about the moral action.
It's not just xQc, a lot of people in society are questioning everything right now because they're surrounded by propaganda telling them 2 + 2 = 5. You have teachers confusing children about sexuality, doctors telling patients men can get pregnant, historians telling white people they're inherently racist... xQc is understandably very confused, I don't blame him.
tbf people dont get shot as much in canada
There's ppl that are "super" rational, and such ppl can't handle hypotheticals.
There's ppl that can't even answer something as simple as "what's your favorite genre of music" because they get in a whole list of details that leads down the rabbit hole where they can't answer that question.
xQc was fighting the good fight in Adin Ross stream but he engaged with the hypothetical in very bad faith
The fact xqc couldn’t say yes to jumping in front of a bullet for his hypothetical child
he did
@@MikchNick took him a while
By the time he did, his hypothetical child is no more.
@@Seoshinawi There is something cringe about thousands of normies larping as action heroes, outraged about someone taking time to answer a question about a situation they have themselves never experienced, yet xqc did, multiple times.
@@MikchNick Stop defending a coward that will literally will hide in his room while his whole family is getting slaughtered.
Here from the future. Xqc's training goes a little too well, his channel starts outpacing every other political streamer, he becomes the biggest channel on the platform, he overthrows world governments with just his shear debate prowess and by the end he can only be defeated by the joint forces of Destiny, Vaush, Jordan Peterson, and Baron Trump.
Hahahahahha
Lol. That nigga can barely speak.
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...and everyone started clapping
Even the lowest among them will follow graces guidance
It's biblical
He already is
I’m sorry but if it my wife or kids, yes OF COURSE I’ll catch the bullets but my gf ? Nah..
Aba bringing reality to the streamer world. Every time I listen to Aba I like him more and more.
Wondering if xqc understands what a hypothetical is
Yes. He is not stupid. He is just disingenuous.
Love how x says he is bad at hypotheticals but kept throwing the most unlikely hypotheticals at tate to prove him wrong at all costs lol
People keep getting frustrated that xQc won't engage hypotheticals or gets hung up on analogies. You guys should look up what being on the spectrum is. Even xQc took a test a few years back & it said it was highly likely he's on the spectrum, but he refused to acknowledge the results or go see a doctor. He specifically shows signs of a being a HFA like Chris-chan. People on the spectrum can't really comprehend hypotheticals or analogies so they will spaz out if you pose one.
Excuses 🥱
Bruh, he literally refuse to answer someone else's hypothetical and then threw a hypothetical back at them.
He knows exactly what hypothetical scenarios are. But he is too immature to admit that the answer he gave was terrible.
The dude asked Andrew Tate a hypothetical about his girlfriend going to laser tag
8:00 this rant from Destiny really makes me feel out of touch.
RUclips has been the only "social media" I've been using since I deleted Facebook in 2018.
I'm not sure it would even occur to me TO look at somebody's instagram.
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I thought xqc and Destiny content was good but yea dude! Throw Aba in there! Awesome conversation
I agree with Destiny with the phone checking think. It’s one thing if you just want to see my phone for whatever reason. Not like I have anything to hide. But when it’s done out of pure insecurity the other party will always take the smallest things out of context
Yeah, but he countered himself by saying he do it too, they check each other's phone because they just don't care. He is doing the talk but not the walk.
@@SpicySiopao isnt that funny? like what reason do i have to be on your phone if i own my own phone? thats like me and you owning the exact same watch and i ask if i can use yours for a while.... the only reason people have for checking another persons phone is to see if you have been deceitful, and if your partner wants to see if you are faithful or not then in my opinion that is a big red flag, and i would then assume that the person is projecting, i would most likely then think that my partner is cheating because they find it so important to catch me sending or receiving messages from other women lol, and like destiny said " me and my partner check each others phone because we dont care" but in reality if they did not care then they would not check each others phone in the first place, so that was flawed logic and dishonest, but he migh not know this consciously though, it could be a subconscious insecurity that he hasnt noticed but he is definitly acting on it.
Ok I like xqc a lot and his content but bro wont stop making these hypotheticals more complicated than they are supposed to be
Xqc the beta getting pressed by Aba? We needed this 🙏🏾
Beeeta
Calling people beta, grow up
@@reanliebertch.7297 🤦🏾♂️
@@reanliebertch.7297 beta
@@reanliebertch.7297 Beyyyyttaaaaaa
If the men back then think like XqC, all Europe and America would speak German now, and Asia countries speaking Japanese.
I think Japan even at its highest military power wouldnt beat china but i get your point
@@JakovLSSJ4 They were during ww2. Japan was crushing China...
@@JakovLSSJ4 Japan conqured most asian countries back in WW2 and occupied virtually all of them. The only parts of China they weren't in control of were under British rule....
Its only a 9mm, she can probably tank 1 or 2 shots
“i don’t like this whole home invasion shit” i don’t think any of us like home invasions but come on
As much of a kook as he is, the thing that made Peterson's advice so appealing is that it was ACTIONABLE. It has something concrete that you can actually start doing.
Most self help is incredibly nebulous and abstract. For example, what the fuck does "be yourself" mean? How do I start "being myself" right now? Journaling, therapy, even exercise are all long term practices with no immediate gratification.
Whereas "clean your room" is incredibly simple and you can start making progress the second you stand up from your dorito covered gamer chair. You'll even feel better if you only clean a little bit.
Peterson is one of the most annoying and self aggrandizing people ever but you gotta give credit where it's due.
Aba: would you jump in front of a gun shot if it was aimed at your child?
xQc: depends what type of gun it is
I know what a clown, like the dude is gonna be able to think about all that in the heat of the moment. If he’s scared from getting swatted by law enforcement imagine if some big ass criminals break in his house. I understand what he’s trying to say but it’s fantasy and not realistic.
God destiny's chat defending the "I wouldn't save my kid from being shot" argument is such a blackpill. You can tell most his chat is under the age of 25 though, so hopefully they are just ignorant. If it comes down to it, and it's your own flesh and blood, you WILL sacrifice yourself for your kids, always. You may not think it now because you "got no skin in the game" but once you do, you'll grow up real fast lol
Is that what a blackpilled is?
They are being ironic. Basically, anytime someone asks a question with an obvious answer, they will meme by being contrarian and post the GigaChad emote.
So if someone on stream asks Destiny "I think we can all agree that killing a random child for no reason is wrong. So you would never do that, right?"
Chat would predictably respond with "I would" GIGACHAD
They are clearly joking
I think most people in chat defend it because in a scenario where you're being a human shield or plan on rushing the intruder your sacrifice would be for nothing and wouldn't put your child in any less danger.
@@Alex_Johnson_ I mean i get the gigachad troll answers, I was talki g about the ones thay were saying dumb shit like "UH THEY WOULD JUST KILL YOU AND YOUR KID." Like, what? There's also a high chance that they wouldnt? The point is you most likely wouldnt even give it a thought, you would just protect
About the jealously thing: it's still possible to be jealous in a monogamous relationship, and to let that jealously harm your relationship. I don't think an absence of jealously is required for poly/open, but a strong emotional intelligence is definitely a requirement.
X you went for the mans hairline... seriously low. Your frosted tips aren't any better 👱🏻
I love that so many ANIMALS understand the concept of die for there offsprings, while that guy try to make excuses for his cowardness. Just saying.
Aba speaking BIG FACTS!!! A lot of people don’t want to admit it though 🤷🏿♂️
Yeah I love when Aba comes online and reminds everyone of reality. Feels like I am back in the real world again lol
Aba coming in with the facts!!!!!!
6:37 Is a woman moaning in the background?
Destiny's gf railed by another dude
@@davidstern5012 First of all, if you're talking about Melina; that's his wife.
Second, shut your mouth.
Yeah it was Melina and me
@@m.czandogg9576 They are in an open relationship?
@@m.czandogg9576 Sorry, Destiny's wife was getting railed by her bf
4:00 I think here Aba view is heavily skewed by the party/entertainement industry in California or Montreal in which he is involved
Going out to party a lot as a student =/= being around big baller dudes.
The general population will encounter plenty of douchebags. Doesn't mean they are successful douches
True but you would most likely meet a successful douche than a successful nice guy
@@outlaster3431 idk about that chief.
Define success I guess.
Because if we go with financial stability, etc, isn't it the cliche women settling with the financially stable nice guy?
People working in tech or the medical fields are probably the closest to what we socially would consider "successful", especially in term of finance and they are rarely grouped with the douche stereotype.
@@TheWaross nah some guys in the are considered stereotype douche but ut also doesn't mean the actual douches don't get girls, and while you are right success is subjective , and that it's cliche for women to settle with financially stable guy ,it doesn't make it untrue or uncommon
Would you step in front of the gun to save your child? No, I don't negotiate with terrorists. Mission passed.
Hold on..... which one?
I value these things differently
KEK
9:14 The REAL Destiny comes out LOL "FYB"
Aba literally arguing for “tell ‘em what they want to hear or you’ll loose” hahaha
When the alternative is just give up. Yes you’ll lose every time
@@primed7805 Do you genuinely think that you have to accept that sort of situation with zero alternatives? lmao
Aba is the only one here with a reasonable, realistic mindset. The other two just ooze estrogen and have this intellectual pretentiousness in regards to such trivial topics.
We here for Aba. I don’t even know who the other two are.
I wouldn’t want be one of x’s family members during a life and death situation.
i never would have thought xqc would enter the debate world. absolute last thing i would think he would do
xqc is incompetent as a human. Based on my observations of what he says and how he acts, all he is good for is playing video games.
Just like Tate said, no twitch and these people are irrelevant
Why does destiny do nothing in Mc during these vids. Go caving or build something. Do something interesting ffs.
Melina and Destiny have a "policy" that they can look through each others shit, but only after saying how those same ppl who looks through phones need to break up then creates a caricature of said woman in an attempt to separate his version of "looking through the phone" as good, whereas everyone else that does it, is doing it in this gross insecure, nagging way, even though its literally the exact way he himself does it. Why create a policy to go through the phone at all if its only for insecure ppl who just want to nag. Love Destiny, but these lil things annoy me ngl
Yeah, I didn’t quite understand that point of his tbh.
What is intention anyways? When a partner asks to go through your phone it is most likely tied to insecurity and a lot of other insecure actions, if they ask out of curiosity or for another reason, then it's fine. It's that simple.
I'd love to go through my partners phone, I'd love to read what they write and how they communicate with others and what others say to them, but I don't need to, because it's pure curiosity and zero jealousy. When Destiny talks about his deal with Melina it sounds similar.
@@lyrrr.8059 I don't buy it. The essence of looking at how your partner communicates with others isn't to see if they are good, as you are with them, so by extension you already believe that, so you are checking if they are consistent. not even if they are cheating. If Destiny was saying that they just have each others phone passcodes and if her phone is nearby Destiny can use it to google search or order food or the like, but that didn't seem to be the implication. It seemed that he separated his, " I'm looking through my girls phone for inconsistencies" from other versions when they are practically the same. Can a totally lax person be completely taken advantage of if they never concern themselves with checking for inconsistencies? Yes. And Also, a person can be way over bearing and insecure about it while their partner is completely consistent in and out of their mobile device. Ultimately, there is no difference, especially when trying to prescribe these feelings of negativity to others you haven't met. Which, btw, is what his main critique of Andrew Tate was. Love Destiny might I add, and my mantra of, i can also be wrong, comes in handy while I continue with: Thats how I interpreted it
xqc sounding kinda like a BETA
The best thing of all this going on is we have someone like Destiny who is big enough to pull everyone into these conversations with each other together. Patiently waiting for him to talk to Tate next!
I'd love a Destiny vs Tate debate...
It'd be the first time Tate would actually get his views challenged by someone who's great at debates but he'll never change I'd just be interesting...
@@ILoveBluePeople absolutely
Aba vs tate
@@andrewstarr8062 yea probably... Destiny already said overall he gives alot of helpful suggestions for life but the only real problem is if Tate is telling other guys to live like him because 99.9% of men will never achieve the type of lifestyle to live like Tate. Which is most definitely true over all.
It would be a lot of agree to disagree
Since the dawn most men were used as soldiers or enuch servants and only a few powerful men had harem of women. Then men came together formed a group where women are equally distributed to most men without any revolt again tribe or nation. Now, you give power to women who only wants top 10% of men but they don't commit to her, hence you have guys like Destiny and other weak men who tries to rewrite natural wirings into men and women are same and can have equal choice bla bla bla. That's why it's in so much mess. When simple fact like men in mass have power to control every aspact of that nation or tribe rather than stifling them or brainwashing them to be dormant little boys or obedient puppies, you will see a lot of these degeneracy and crime will go away. Most men need a woman who will stick by him through thick and thin. Train women to get a man on her calbre and stick by him regardless of ups and owns. You will build the strongest society ever. Stop giving power to govt. or top 10% of men. The only way to have a happy and productive society is by crushing hypergamy and enforcing distributive monogamy. SIMPLE!!
You can understand where XQC is coming from on his response to the home invasion hypothetical.
He has dealt with MANY home invasions, and an absurd number of them have been at the hands of SWAT teams.
Based on his lived experience, a hostile response to a home invasion could result in suicide by police.
None of Tates fans are going to acknowledge this. They think he’s a nerd, therefore he knows nothing about anything and doubt everything he says. Xqc could say water is wet and Tate and his fans would push x to doubt.
I actually didn't know this.
@@ThinWhiteLuke lol true
Most people have movie inspired fantasies about how they would deal with situations like but truth is that you can never fully prepare and predict how you will respond to these things and in most cases it won't be glamorous and you won't be or feel like a hero at the end.
It's XQC's own fault for being such a dogshit communicator, he didn't communicate anything like that clearly.
ALWAYS negotiate your salary, even if it is low (in any corporate job, not service, that depends). It's about establishing the precedent that you desire a better rate. That aspect of "big dicking" in a job interview is not really big dicking, its expected and you might even be perceived as overpaid if you just take it. I think I recall that people who negotiate their first salary make 20% more in their career as a whole. Those conversations are expected and any awkwardness that arises in the conversation easily dissipates afterwards. This is because the hiring manager's salary is almost never dependent on yours. Additionally, companies that don't make their employees feel valued have higher turnover (and hiring is MUCH more expensive than bumping up someone's pay, even significantly).
From my own experience, you might not get what you want in that first conversation, but they will almost always exceed your number come eval time (assuming you performed like you said you would).
The problem xQc has is he's not in a "truth seeking" state of mind, but a reactionary state of mind where he personally knows women who are bothered by these labels, which of course shapes his experience and opinions... and his goal is not to reason through these conversations, his goal is to stop guys like Andrew from hurting people's feelings. The other problem xQc is not aware of is that being offended is a relative concept... conservative women don't feel bad when they hear guys like Andrew talk, but liberal women do... that's not a question of "right" or "wrong", but differences in culture...
All that is true. As much as people try to be "woke" and "progressive" - their utopian worldview of the sexes is exactly that - utopian. So it crumbles against reality checks, and they HATE that. So they wiggle, contort, and speak in all this made-up good-sounding prose to try to diminish reality. Sometimes reality doesn't feel good. Too bad, so sad. I notice that even Destiny won't cave to some of these fundamentals. He will mock/diminish people's messaging like Tate or even Jordan Peterson... even though they are DEAD CORRECT on the women/motherhood/caring/home-making happiness theory. The hard truth is that there are VERY FEW women who can forego motherhood, replaced with solely a "career" - and end up feeling complete, without regret, by age 40. VERY FEW. The more progressives push against this, the worse they dig themselves into a falsehood. It's just never going to be true. Sometimes trad-cons are CORRECT. Sometimes. But nobody on the left gives and inch.
Extremely well said
Well articulated
And culture can be morally inept. And we can criticize it without telling people to not engage with it. It's actually very annoying that you said he's not in the "truth seeking" state of mind.
When people are saying horrible shit that's wrong, it shouldn't be tolerated. Being impartial is fine if you're not doing it just to do it
That has always been my point too. People who just spend all day on the internet telling me about social justice and how to date are just living in a fantasy world they're not out actually living in the real world.
What you guys are missing is you don’t know what tate says other than the controversial shit. He tells men to build themselves up if they want to live like he does. He does not say the guy at Walmart can do what he does. He says the guy at Walmart needs to get his shit together and then he will have the ability to live his dream
So let's break this thing down. A guy can definitely build himself to be better in terms of being in better shape, having a job / career that have a solid skill that can provide an income of somewhere around six figures, having better social interact with women, and a couple of other ways for a guy to prove himself. But unfortunately for the average guy the majority of them are not their reach the level to be a multi-millionaire or a billionaire where they can basically choose not to have the rules apply to them regardless if we're talking about legal rules ( unless they get caught doing a serious crime like murder via providing hard evidence ) or social rules ( that's been set by people in monogamous relationships particularly ).
If the average guy try to tell the average chick that he's dating that he does not wants the chick he's dating to sleep around with other dudes, and for the average guy to be allowed to sleep around with other chicks while dating that chick, then that average chick would probably walk out of that relationship faster then a cheetah running with a firecracker up its a$$. The manosphere mindset when it comes to that particular situation is not really going to help that average guy to be in a successful monogamous relationship due to them not having the money, power, and status to have the ball in his court. Especially with social media where people share things, the word of him saying that is going to spread like wildfire and it might ruin his chances of him ever being a long-term successful monogamous relationship.
So Tate's advice is: "Just get rich 4head"
Xqc is quite possibly the most annoying speaker of all of human existence
Funny enough, I do honestly think XQC does have good takes on things. His issues are that he easily succumbs to his own rage and he has difficulty articulating how he feels (gets worse when he gets more mad). If he can improve those two things, I do think he'd be able to debate things pretty well.
I don't even get why he got shit for his takes. It's fair to criticize him for unnecessary rage and for not taking the hypotheticals as they were presented but his answers were pretty honest instead of prioritizing how it looks to the audience. Should you take the bullet for your wife? Societal pressure will force you to say yes but once you're in the situation, who the eff knows what your split second decision will be.
He needs to speak at a normal pace 💀 he sounds like he's on crack
I agree that somebody else could debate his positions better.
I mean his take on masculinity is pretty bad... He puts himself exactly 50/50 with a woman in every hypothetical presented to him because he's afraid of offending women, and the only guys who think like this are guys who are weak and empty vessels that allow women to plant their own ideologies into them. Once these guys adopt feminist ideas and behavior, they no longer think like men, they think like women... so when someone makes a joke about women, or puts a label on them, he's going to have an emotional response to this in defense of women because he thinks like a woman. If he thought like a man with masculine principles none of this would bother him, but he's not a masculine person... he's a male feminist.
@@riptor4532 Hes a pale stick bug, wdy expect from someone who stays inside all day and let's his gf grind all over a new person they jist met. Vampire vibes🙏🏾
35:30 Don't be disingenuous. I think Aba knows that they acknowledge that their actions are antithetical to Islam and Christianity in a lot of ways. They tend to say that those religions are the BEST WAY FOR SOCIETIES or proven to work for societies or etc. They don't recommend them or say that they're practicing. There is a BIG difference.
In the hypotetical case that 2 guns are pointing to the man and his girlfriend, why should a man sacrifice himself for the girl? I mean yea sure it sounds poetic, and it would be quite heroic to sacrifice yourself over someone else you love, but like, both lifes are equal? If a man prefers to think for himself over someone else, why is it soooo wrong? Why is the man's life considered as having less worth which is why people say he should 100% "sacrifice" while the woman never should?
This used to make sense when we were tribals because a woman had way more worth than a man for a small tribe/town, but that is no longer the case because we are no longer living like that, most of us are living in an average town of easily millions of people.
In the case of the man and his child it makes way more sense to "sacrifice" and it is almost an obligation because the child is your responsability and that child exists because of you. But a woman that you dont even know if you are still going to be a couple 3 years in the future? idk man
logically there is nothing wrong with it, theyre just saying most people would. like you have no obligation whatsoever to feed a starving child some of your bread loaf but most people would, at best the reasoning there is probably something like fostering a system where anyone would do that for anyone
Destiny is missing the point. Tate is telling you to improve yourself to increase success in life. He's NOT telling you change your attitude and you can have multiple women. Destiny is making it sound like your not going to improve significantly with women.
Aba is level headed as fuck
"what if it's your child" is basically a plea for making exceptions. It doesn't necessarily mean you wouldn't otherwise think that same thing for general society. It's two completely different things. There is nothing wrong with driving around looking for your lost child, but not doing it for everyone in the neighborhood.
Dudes making excuses.
the way i would answer the question is this:
yes, i would feel some sense of duty to protect my girlfriend/wife because i love her, she is my partner, but not in a "my life is less valuable than your life" sort of way. when it is something like a gun, a guy would not fair better than a girl in that situation, so there is no more of a duty for me than there is for my girlfriend. People who love each other protect each other. if it was a situation where there is a guy holding a knife, then yes i would say i would have more of a duty to protect her simply because i am stronger than her, she would likely get clobbered, but NOT because of "ooga booga, I have a dick, I am the guy."
I think Tate's message wasn't to make us view what lifestyle people should have, but rather "you should run your life the way you want, not how society trend wants". The moment he's not enforcing anything on anyone, you can't really say there's anything wrong with it.
I like monogamy, it's the way I want my relationship to be. I wouldn't like my girl to go to clubs on her own either, has nothing to do with security. XQC trying to attack someone else's way to live their lives is just a straight loss.
Another issues is that men do not get proper advices in mainstream media space and when they hear some red pill advices and they work for them well they become red pilled themselves.
@RealMenloveblueberrywaffles Tate too does have a video where he beats/spanks woman with belt...with her consent...and she later tells him he was too soft and to do it harder.
As for young men, what hope is that horrible divorce, child custody, false allegation and paternity related laws/policies will change. I also hope affirmative actions which benefit women won't exist, emotional abuse will be paid more attention to and purpusful parental alientations will be punished.
@RealMenloveblueberrywaffles the issue is that, Tate literally says he sets a standard and wouldn't date women that doesn't meet his demand.
By definition, it is their consensual relationship. It is none of your business.
People hated the religious right because how they try to put their nose in everything and act how morally superior they are. The same logic can now be applied to the woke left.
If a woman right now tells me that she agrees to lose some of her freedom in exchange for money in a relationship. I would be like, aight, your life your choice.
The song is So Appalled and Rick Ross isn't on that track. Fake Kanye Fan.
Nah Aba, for the gun example, maybe I overthink too much as well, but standing in front of someone isn't stopping a bullet. Even attacking the gunman is more optimal than standing in front of your SO/child.
ur probably right, especially depending on what gun/bullet it is, but i think the question is ultimately about whether you would try to protect your SO/child in a dangerous situation. its like a principle/instinct vs strategy/tactics thing
Kinda depends on the gun/ammo/where they get hit, but you are _not_ wrong...
Just like XQC, the whole point of the question went over your head.
@@ben6073 Yeah, but that is from the sounds of it, the problem that xQc seems to have with both that hypothetical and the one Tate gave. They're asking a question of principle but failed to consider that tactically, the action is counterproductive.
And then when xQc is like, can't I do something else, that sounds stupid, they think he's saying he's against the principle (although Aba at least gets clarification that on principle xQc would agree).
idk, I guess, I just want better hypotheticals XD
@@ahmedreads1794 It's not going over my head, I can understand the point of it and also criticize the wording of the question. They're not mutually exclusive.
It might be easier to ask if he would sacrifice himself for his mom. Xqc probably hasn’t experienced love yet, the kind of love that would make you sacrifice yourself. If I was a single rich dude like Xqc it would be hard to say yes I would give my life for my girl or kids but as someone who is older, married and with kids it’s a no brained. A lot of this stuff comes down to life experience. In my 20s I wouldn’t have jumped in front of a bullet for some random chick I met on tinder but your mentality changes once you love someone.
@@pikemilestone2672 they have been living together for multiple years..... They broke up briefly and have gotten back together and since then he has moved to Canada and is staying at one of his families places atm they aren't living together I'm pretty sure.
12:10 The responsibility is not to 'get in front of the bullet'. The responsibility is to do everything in your power to protect your child. I think the conflation of those two things is what trips xQc (and me) up. When Aba proposes a *specific action* for xQc to take, 'get in front of the bullet,' it makes the question seem more like he's asking "what would you do?" or "how would you protect your child?" in this situation, which is a much different, and any answer to a question like that basically becomes posturing.
@@capilah6285 I'll respond to each of the 3 main paragraphs one by one.
1. I actually think Aba's hypothetical is bad because, again, what he meant didn't match what he said. I think Aba meant "in that scenario is your responsibility to do everything in your power to protect your child," but what he really said was "is it your responsibility to get in front of the bullet," and these are different. Let me present my own hypothetical to illustrate how they are different. So hypothetically it's the same scenario where there is a guy with gun about to shoot your kid, but in addition you have a gun and know how to use it. If your responsibility is to get in front of the bullet, you would run in front of the bullet and maybe save your kid at the cost of your life, but also the shooter might just be able to kill both. If your responsibility is to do everything you can to protect, the logical action is to shoot the shooter before they shoot your kid. So this is a sub-hypothetical of Aba's hypothetical where what Aba meant doesn't match what he said. Therefore the hypothetical is bad.
2. I agree that that's what most men would say. The one thing I would add is that the men who chastise you for not agreeing to that are cringe and posturing. A home intruder scenario encompasses a large spectrum of scenarios, and confronting the intruder is not the best action every single time. The reason these hypotheticals are bad is because there are so many potential edge cases that most people just ignore.
3. I think x sees that the hypotheticals are bad, but he doesn't know how to explain why they are bad, so he avoids them. I agree that it's important to engage in hypotheticals, but it's also essential to fight for hypotheticals that don't break down in the edge cases.
@@elijahbuscho7715 the point of hypotheticals isnt always to illustrate a detailed scenario so that your action is optimal and objectively correct. hypotheticals will always be more abstract and dilluted in comparison to reality, because they possibly cant be as precise as reality. the point of hypotheticals is more of a principle/moral check and every normal person understands this too. "would you catch a bullet for your kid?"; of course you would unless youre a bad person. the question isnt "what is your optimal and realistic course of actions so that you maximize safety for your kid?". its not about method, its about principles. xqc even repeated that in this video but he still for some reason refused to answer clearly and satisfying for the normal person.
@@BigBootyBatman hypotheticals can of course be used in that way, but my point is that Aba's hypothetical was poor at doing that. If you want to do a purely moral check, you have to build a hypothetical where you eliminate all other factors except the morals in question. Here's an example of a good hypothetical to test this: suppose your kid was going to die, and the only possible thing you could do to save him was press a button and you would die instead, what would you do? There really is only one answer. Either you press the button and sacrifice yourself for your child, or you do not. This hypothetical is much better because it cuts out any real life factors that distract from the core moral principle. I believe that this is what Aba was trying to get at, but he missed it slightly.
@@elijahbuscho7715 your hypothetical is in no way better except it's far more contrived and unrealistic, something even X would criticize. The moral question is as clear as it gets in Abas example: are you altruistic in the face of danger in favor of your close people? The only right answer has to be yes, because that's what family is about.
@@BigBootyBatman what if the gunman missed? What if he was out of ammo? What I could have thrown something at the gunman to give me time to tackle him and take away his gun? What if always carry a gun and I could shoot the gunman instead of taking the bullet? What if the gunman just wanted to use the gun as a threat and if I just kept still instead of running in front of my son we'd both survive, whereas the sudden movement of running would cause the gunman to fire, killing us both? These are all valid sub-hypotheticals that are possible under Aba's hypothetical, and with these the answer to the question is no, I would not take the bullet because there is a better way to protect my family than just getting shot. Therefore the answer to Aba's hypothetical is NOT always yes. So the hypothetical doesn't cover all of the edge cases and is therefore bad. These types of sub-hypotheticals are impossible with my more synthetic hypothetical because all edge cases are covered, unless you can think of a counterexample. That's why the more synthetic hypothetical is better. It cuts away any distracting possibilities while retaining the moral question.
Jfc when are they gonna turn off that annoying as fuck "didn't say Simon sez. Prrrrrrttt" noise. What is that for donations?
XQC's answer disappointed me greatly. It was a question of where you fall on the morality scale essentially. What type of man you are or more specifically what type of man you strive to be.
A man who leans more towards being a man of duty, principle and morals would put himself in harm's way if it meant a better survival chance for his beloved wife or child.
A man who leans more towards being a psychopath would just look to save his own skin, because he can just find another woman to have kids with and further his genetic lineage, while also preserving his precious life and existence for as long as he can. You can argue it's the most rational thing you can do in this case, but if every man strives to be like this, we are fucked. In a world full of people like this, society suffers, humanity suffers and destruction is what inevitably follows.
Counterpoint: People tend to overestimate how strong people's predicted (but usually unknowable in reality) responses to “lifeboat” situations are as predictors of pro-social and productive behavior in most areas of life.
Plus, if we _needed_ paragons to advance society, we'd never have advanced past mud huts.
War criminals like Fritz Haber enabled the deaths of millions, while simultaneously enabling the lives of billions.
He also possibly drove his wife Clara to suicide.
People can be complicated.
Concepts of honor and self-sacrifice were stronger in the American South than in the North, all the way up to the civil war.
It didn't seem to help their social fabric, or even their economic and military capabilities much.
The factions most obsessed with duty, principle, and the morality of sacrifice in World War 2 were probably the Imperial Japanese and the Germans.
Sacrifice was often said to be the highest and most sacred virtue in and of itself for them.
If war crime frequency is any indicator, people who see themselves as disposable are the most likely to see other people the same way.
Everyone wants others to live by the standards they set for themselves on some level.
If you're willing to sacrifice your own life but someone else isn't willing to sacrifice theirs, it often breeds resentment.
The biggest mistake I'm seeing here is that people are seeing protecting your kin as a sacrifice.
If you value them more than your own life, that's not a sacrifice, that's a tradeoff.
You might be dead, but you got more out of it from that outcome by your own standards.
The issue seems less due to _selfishness_ (i.e., valuing yourself) and more due to an inability to place greater value in something besides yourself.
People have a need to feel immortal to cope with the permanence of death and oblivion.
Until and unless actual biological immortality becomes a thing, they need to do this by either believing in a hereafter, or placing value in something that'll outlive them indefinitely, like their biological, familial, ideological, or cultural “lineage”.
If you truly believed in a hereafter, throwing away all of your fragile, limited mortal existence (and all of its varied but ultimately finite pleasures) in exchange for eternity isn't being selfless.
That's just being smart.
It's a decision ultimately grounded in egoism, which was a recurring theme throughout much of Christian culture and the Greek culture that inspired it.
If you look closely, even the Imperial Japanese and Germans I mentioned earlier operated this way in practice.
Seeing cultural or racial survival as the route to individual “immortality”.
The honor and sacrifice stuff is mostly window dressing.
Any sufficiently long-term form of selfishness is indistinguishable from altruism.
Low time preference and the delayed gratification, short-term impulse control and long-term planning that it enables, is part of the bedrock of civilization.
Also, fun fact, one of the symptoms of psychopathy isn't just a lack of empathy, but high time preference, an inability to set or care about long-term goals.
What are the odds the lack of empathy and lack of long term vision are intertwined?
Your life is a fragile thing, if the happiness of everyone else means nothing to you, why care about the future? You'd be a fool not to live for the moment.
You can't get low time preference without a guarantee or at least a high chance of surviving into the future that you contributed to.
Hard sell considering how fragile flesh is, especially when times are tough.
However, If your “survival” isn't tied to your fragile body… that changes things.
It would explain people being less hesitant to take a bullet for their kids compared to a GF or even a spouse that they've known for longer.
xQc and Destiny might have a particular problem with the part about taking a bullet for a chick because acknowledging that there's a societal expectation for the guy to take the bullet (one way or another) and supporting it means dragging up all sorts of fun topics, like benevolent sexism that can be a huge net benefit to women as a group.
Kind of messes with the whole gender equality thing.
Of course, you could just have both partners say they'd do it for the other.
EDIT: Not technically disagreeing with your point. Just trying to get into why you might be a bit off in your assumptions about the causes and solutions.
I mean if you still believe in traditional gender roles yeah but if the question was posed to a woman and she chose to protect herself over her husband this probably wouldn't get her labelled as a psychopath. At the end of the day most people will always put themselves first whether that be saving themself or saving those they want to.
I wouldn't sacrifice my life either for a loved one, we only have one life and that to me is more precious than anyone else's life, you're talking down on people who wouldn't want to die as if it isn't a big deal.
46:02 The dude who went to private school and grew up in a huge home with plenty of money but constantly tells people how hard he had to work and how poor he was admitting that he's full of shit and that you shouldn't listen to what he says.
Right in my feeeeeed