@@lee84that’s not completely absurd because yes on paper it doesn’t make sense but in the liverpool front three prime years mané and salah don’t get the goals without what firmino did
As a Liverpool fan here’s my take, Fabinho was the best DM in the world the season we won the league, however, Rodi has been the best DM for 3-4 seasons now, it has to be Rodri
@@vishaladwani6689he was incredible for pep he just wanted in 2020 to go to sociedad for the end of his career. Got more goals and assists for Spain than xavi and iniesta
A player who should have had a bigger honorable mention was Wijnaldum. Not saying he gets into the combines team, but he was probably Liverpool’s most important midfielder. Technically sound as well as physically.
Would be a decent point if this team wasn’t as evenly split as it could possibly be. All of the Liverpool players in the team are all-timers in the league.
Fabinho has been one of our most underrated players from 2018-2022 and last season really hurt his general reputation but to be completely honest, he was never as good as Rodri is rn. Fabinho was arguably the world's best cdm in his prime but Rodri was arguably the best player in the world at his peak. He's simply on another level
I think this is quite easy apart from rb. (Liverpool fan) Allison Van dijk,stones,Robertson B.silva,kdb, rodri Salah,aguero,mane TAA/walker is probably the biggest 50/50 you can get, I would take taa, but walker is definitely not a wrong answer
@@Matthew-bu7fg David Silva was the midfield conductor of a team that won 198 combined points in 2 seasons. He played arguably his best ever football and had massive influence under Pep.
GK: Allison Becker RB: Trent Alexander-Arnold CB: Virgil Van Dijk CB: Ruben Dias LB: Andrew Robertson CDM: Rodri CM: Kevin De Bruyne CM: Ilkay Gundogan RF: Mohammed Salah LF: Sadio Mane STR: Sergio Aguero
@matija9540 That's what all the evidence shows. Not sure how Mane gets away with it. He scored less than Sterling and missed more big chances between 17/18-21/22. Sterling also got more assists and created more chances, he was better in every way
Because he is not a Left back. He's a a right footed midfielder who plays in midfield when in possession and is instructed to defend at left back which according to Pep's and Mancity's playstyle, is 7% of the time. He's not even a great defender. Got turn spun around by Salah like it was nothing.
Cancelo, and I don't think it's too harsh to say this, was lucky with Pep's tacticsl innovation. He was a poor defender (worse than Trent, but never got mentioned as much for it) who was very capable with the ball. Pep realised this and moved him into a position on the pitch that he could take advantage of his ability with the ball and minimise his deficiencies. The same reason Trent's best spell this season (December) he was playing as almost a right 8, arriving late in the box and scored a few big goals. Cancelo was a great tactical innovation, but not as much a noteworthy player.
Well done Rory probably the first and last time I’ll say this but well done for showing firmino the appreciation he deserves one of my all time favourite players to play for us love the guy he doesn’t get in this but wow what a player he was
LW:Mane ST:Aguero RW:Salah CM:Gundogan CM:KDB CDM:Rodri LB:Robertson CB:VVD CB:Stones RB:Walker Vs Trent GK:Allison. 10 Positions are clear: 5 for Klopp and 5 for Pep, it comes down to RB and it’s a toss up on preference imo, and I’m leaning towards Trent.
Second Team: LW: Sterling ST:Firmino RW:Mahrez CM:Bernado Silva CM:David Silva CDM:Fabinho LB:Ake CB:Dias CB:Kompany RB:Walker GK:Ederson…this shows city and Peps having a huge advantage in the depth compared to Klopp’s Liverpool. First 11 Klopp had 6 but in the second 11 Klopp only gets 2.
Coutinho not being mentioned as well is a shame. Probably forgotten but he played his best football under Klopp and contributed enourmously to dragging us back to UCL football. Him, David Silva, and Bernardo Silva in a unique category where they could just do things no one else can.
I remember watching a clip of jurgen klopp saying if he could have any player in the Liverpool team who would it be and he said David silva and that should say everything about how mad it is they even forgot to mention his name ahah
Left back - Robertson probably still takes it but how does a City fan not mention Cancelo? For a period he was easily on the conversation for best LB in the world. Otherwise, legit.
He pretty much scored a goal from outside of the box every other game at one point. So good on the ball and not to mention his passing game! There's a reason we were able to get 140 mill for him@@raulibarra4355
ali, robbo,vvd, dias, walker(for now), rodri(fab was great tho, leftoo early) debruyne gundo(pip b,silva n d silva for me), mane, salah haaland lfc midfield has been underrated thi, thiago(without injjuire he could have been the very best), hendo(for different reasons)gini( left tooe early could do everything and fab where geninuely class, different players and some left too early, lfc have better first 11, city better squad, overall lfc get fullbacks gk vvd and mane salah.
Fair play lads. You’re all passionate about your clubs, but you also have the ability to put your club biases aside. Enjoy listening to you all speak about the fame
GK: Alisson RB: Kyle Walker CB: Ruben Dias CB: Virgil van Dijk LB: Andy Robertson CDM: Rodri CM: Kevin de Bruyne CM: Bernardo Silva RW: Mo Salah LW: Sadio Mane ST: Sergio Aguero (I feel like he'd be better than Haaland in this team, as he can interchange with Salah and Mane as needed, unlike Haaland).
I'm a Liverpool fan but I actually agree with this. Few shouts, Coutinho, Milner, Kompany, Fabhino, Firminho, David Silva, Bernardo Silva could all easily be in that squad too.
I would argue, Nunez on the left wing. If you take bias banter aside, I think Nunez offers more than Mane. Manes just done it already, but eye test, Nunez is better, and has room to grow
Liverpool fan here, my list is: Allison Trent VVD Stones Robertson Rodri KDB Bernardo Salah Aguero Mane Only one up for debate is RB, rest is common sense
As a city fan I can concur. Especially as LB is our weakest position or almost non existent. RB can be a toss up depending on play and coaching style. Other than that, that's a hard 11 to beat. Good creativity and also pace for the front 3 and either of them can rotate positions.
@@CBear2682 Aguero is a 'better footballer', but he literally failed at the same stage where Haaland succeded, failed to be the 'final piece' just two seasons before Haaland came in and did it 🤗 Haaland is not a baller but he's a goal freak...
Adam gets away with too many bad takes without a Liverpool fan there to even it out with facts. Trent is a generational talent. When walker was his age his was trophiless
I support Liverpool but Trent is a terrible defender. Bradley deserves to keep him out of the team. As an all round talent he might edge out Walker but if we're just talking right back Walker is way better.
He was. But Rodri is better than Fabinho ever was. Rodri will go down as an alltime great in his position. Fabinho just had a strong peak. Im a Liverpool fan but this is not even a debate.
@@imRehnzyFabinho never had stong peak better than rodri bruhh rodri peak is him being named best player in 3 European comps plus fininshing top 5 in ballon dor 😂 fabinho was can only dream
@@kaydeecesmith5540 I literally said rodri is better without any debate. Fabinho was the best pure dm for two years tho. But Rodri is him. Generational Pirlo
The fact that these muppets think Pep would take Trent over Walker suggests they know very little about football. The way City play , pressing high up the pitch and the positions that the players take up, Walker's pace, intensity and physicality as the last man in transition is absolutely crucial. Trent's ability on the ball, like Cancelo's, would just be booted out of Manchester if it became a liability.
just based on performances in city vs liverpool classics, some must haves are Mane , Salah, Bernardo(not gundogan), Sane, Stones, Robertson, VVd. Other honourable mentions : Firnmino, Aguero, Jesus, Henderson, Fernandinho
As City fan i will take YAYA TOURE over anybody esle imma big fan of him 😘 that man was unreal despite spending few years with MC he was blessing to watch him . Great well rounded player Freekicks long shots he have everything u from Midfielder while he was playing most his time as CDM . I think will put this way : ============ Alisson========== Walker Vijk Dais Robort === Yaya Toure === ==D.Silva KDB== =Egyptian king= =AGUEROO= =Mane
Coutinho should be on the debate. He has played only few years under Klopp, but he was one man army. If he would have stayed, he would have been a legend by now. I am not saying he must be in the team, but he was something special.
People forget how good he was and that 150 wasn’t a spur of the moment buy for barca they wanted the year before too so coutinho was so good barca came in for him we said no not this year he had another amazing season that made barca then come back and pay 50 mill less than what they sold prime neymar for
@@sidbob1215 I'd go Rodri at 6, KDB as an 8, and Coutinho as the 10. I'd rather play KDB as an 8 than have Gundo over Coutinho. And I'm a neutral. Coutinho was an absolute world beater in those Liverpool years
As a liverpool fan I can kindly disagree with the term buvey has used saying under klopp the midfield was the least important. Probably was our most important tbh. The engine room. How we play is based off of the midfield with the pressing and all that. But I can see how other fan bases think its the front three or back four. Tbh all very important to how we set up and play.
Stones over Ruben Dias is wild 😂😂. The narrative around Stones has shifted wildly there was a point 2 seasons ago or something when it was argued that Stones should be sold n when fit Laporte started over Stones like 80% of the time. There was a point where he was being benched by Otamandi. This must be English bais. Still a great player thou🚶🏿♂️🚶🏿♂️🚶🏿♂️ And living out David Silva is beyond foolish
Klopp is such a good manager he never had great midfielders in his Liverpool career but managed to dominate the prem at times when midfields are the most important positions on a football pitch
@@anuragshukla7912 Well like 60% of his City career wasn't under Guardiola. They also didn't pick Kompany for the same reason. On top of that, De Bruyne is better. Unfortunately that's the position he's competing for...
As a Liverpool fan i cant argue that the midfield 3 has to be all city players. Liverpool's midfield in their prime were all dogs and worked hard. Fabinho was unbelievable for us but Rodri is arguablly one of the best DMs the league has seen. If anything Wijnaldum is our best hope of getting in that midfield. He was our most important midfielder, was never injured, could play in multiple positions, technically brilliant, massive engine, never lost the ball, scored some clutch goals, was always at least a 7/10 for us, he was 100% an unsung hero in that team it only took us till this season to replace him properly. Not saying he would get in the midfield but he definelty deserved a more honourable mention imo.
It was always astonishing to me that Liverpool never tried to improve upon their midfield after the CL and PL win. In my opinion the 2-3 years after that were a waste because had they improved upon an aging Fabinho and Henderson and injury prone players like Keita and Thiago. They would have been able to pinch another league title and possibly would have had another CL under their belt. Looking at now that they actually have a good midfield and Klopp is leaving… it just seems like such a tease of what could have been.
Keita and Fabinho really messed Liverpools plans up in that they were meant to be the heart of the midfield at the perfect age (late 20s) while they transitioned away from Hendo, Milner etc. but instead Fabinho was actually 38 with a dodgy passport and Keita was a corpse. Hendo/Milner ended up as the more reliable players. Then, after that set back, Madrid were replacing their midfield at the exact same time and Liverpool missed out on all of their key targets to them in consecutive windows.
GK: Alisson 2019 - Current RB - TAA 2018-2019 or 2023-Current CB: VVD pre Jordan Pickford Injury CB: Dias (not this season but all previous seasons he's been really consistent. This season he's been decent but it's probably because he set the bar too high) LB: Cancelo (pre-Bayern). Robertson has been great, but Cancelo with his technique was just something else CDM - Rodri (2022 - Current) Complete CDM and without him, City look vulnerable on the counter CM - KDB (2018 - Current) CM - Bernardo Silva (2019 - Current) LW - Mane (2018 - 2020) - what a player ST - Haaland (ever since he signed for City). RW - Salah (2018 - Current)
As an LFC fan, the only players I think would get into this eleven is Alisson, VVD, Robbo, Salah, and Mane with the rest of the players being from City which is just a testament to how brilliant City have been under Pep. My bias obviously resides with Liverpool but Can't deny how good some city players have been
@@ShanoStyle17 cancelo was the best LB for one season(2020/21), Robertson has been the best LB every season besides that one season …. Same reason agüero makes it above haaland for me , Halaand had one great season versus Kun who did it consistently for multiple seasons under pep
@@matija9540 Trent and Mo are my favourite players in the LFC squad but like they said in the video, there’s no wrong answer whether you want Trent or walker at RB but the players I mentioned in the first comment are ones that I think are nailed on to make most combined 11s between these two great teams
I think TAA makes it into the combined 11 along with the others you mentioned. That’s just over half the team. Plus if you put in a different system or coach for the team it could be a different story
I'd like to dispute this with my (probably bias-influenced) XI, playing in a 4231. Assuming this is a prime/peak team of each player: Alisson; Trent, Dias, Virgil, Robertson; Fabinho, Rodri; Salah, De Bruyne, Mane; Haaland. Alisson goes without saying, best keeper ITW. Trent - potentially more suspect defensively than Walker, but his crossing in the 18/19 season with Haaland to aim at would double his record-breaking assist tally for a defender. Dias - at his best a wall. Wouldn't need to be so clean with the ball with everyone around him. Van Dijk best in the world, end of conversation. Robbo - like Trent, at his best up & down, link up play with Mane was a joke and crossing also would just find Haaland. Fabinho & Rodri as a double pivot. The reason Trent can go in with any "He can't defend allegations" because you put these two alongside each other and who's getting past them on the counter. Both aerial presences. At his best Fabinho was the best BWM in the world, covering for 4 men and allowing us to press so high (his drop off is why our press broke down last year). Rodri comes in and becomes takes Fabinho's mantle as best DM in the world, does all the defending and adds a metronomic control of the tempo with his passing. If you can get past them, good luck with the two CBs or Ali. Salah, best RW ITW. His best season, 17/18 he gets 57 goal contributions and should have won the ballon d'or. Imagine adding De Bruyne's creativity to that. As said. Give KDB the old fashion 10 role. You're free to roam, go where you like and do what you want. Would be a cheat code. Mane. His dribbling at his best was mesmerising, his pace electric and his strength probably only bettered by Adama Troare amongst wingers. Goals, assists, movement, cool haircut before the hairline recedes. Less said about his wife, the better in this theoretical conversation. Best LW ITW at his peak, 2nd to Benzema for Ballon D'Or. Haaland. Mentioned earlier, but Imagine giving the ultimate poacher service from Trent, Robbo, Rodri, Salah, Mane and a free-role KDB. I'm not joking when I say he could get 2 goals per game over a league season with that service. Underrated consideration for this XI is their overall physical presence. Imagine having Trent & Robbo inswinging a corner onto Virgil, Dias, Haaland, Fabinho, Rodri and Mane marking the keeper with KDB and Salah waiting for a headed clearance to score a volley. Unbelievable.
@faridirwan7610 take it you're talking about Salah. In the 18-24 month period at the end of his time for Roma and his first season or two in the PL he was only bettered by Messi for G+A. Just because the Ballon D'Or is voted by journalists and it doesn't truly reflect who has been the best player doesn't mean he shouldn't have received recognition for just how good he was at that point.
@frankierc2920 clearly forgotten, or just never watched, Fabinho's peak. He was for a year or two the best DM in world football. Which, as I said is why you could pair him at his peak with Rodri and create a pivot that would allow Trent to just go float and play footy rather than defend.
Laporte is massively underrated, he was part of City’s team when City & Liverpool were going at it at their peak. You know a player is good when you just hate them bc they’re so good, we had Virgil but they had Laporte. Injuries might have killed him, but for me at their best he was better than Kmpany or Dias.
not even close to being better than kompany or dias what the fuck hahaha. he was a starter for literally only 1 season in the last 4 years. stones and dias have been the starters most seasons
I hear you man , genuinely between him and stones for the other centre half next to van dijk I edged it to stones because he's genuinely reaching all timer levels with these performances since 2022
of course the second 11 of this team win the UCL, these are 2 of the best teams of the century so far and the second choice is also world class cus both teams have 11 players who have been world class for periods
Allison Walker Stones Van Dijk Robertson Rodri De Bruyne Gundogan Salah Haaland B.Silva My 2nd XI Ederson Arnold Konate Dias Ake Fernandinho Foden D.Silva Mahrez Aguero Mane Thats what I would pick.
GK : Alisson LB : Robertson RB : TAA CB : VVD CB : Dias DM : Rodri CM : Henderson (This will be controversial, I can sense it lol) CM : De Bruyne LW : Mane RW : Salah ST : Agüero
Allison Walker Van Dijk Stones Robertson Rodri De Bruyne Bernardo Silva Salah Aguero Mane But yeah overall both sides are packed with quality, as Klopp's sides thrive on having a strong engine in midfield, I went with Bernardo Silva instead of Henderson - due to Silva being the overall better player. A lot of great names have been missed out though, Kompany, TAA, Wijnaldum, Dias, Gundogan, Fabinho, David Silva, Haaland, Mahrez, Foden and Firmino.
I think for these discussions you need to make 2 teams, one combined team if Klopp was the manager and one team if Pep was the manager, because when you start making statements like "Pep would probably play this guy" etc, it starts to get wild.
You are right but again, ill argue with Rory that i dont think mane and salah become who they are without Firmino .. he was the most important player (outside van dijk ) and arguably even period during the klopp era. I dont think we win trophies without Firmino (or Origi)
Bobby firmino heeds to be in the front If you have goal scoring wingers not just for his ability to link up but the guy could score goals when he wanted to he just used to give the wingers ball because they would have a better chance and that would be the best for the team
lol are you dumb??...liverpool's midfield is not great so we can replace them with city players just like city's front three are not as good as lfc's front two or three
Coutinho had like 1 good season. Its easily a triple city midfield and noone really comes close. And trent isn't better than walker. Walker has 5 pls and played a big part in the defence every year. Trent has won 1
The choice would be Dias/Alexander-Arnold/Robertson or Stones/Walker/Ake, you need Arnold or Stones in the team for creativity and passing and dominating but to fit one in you should go with the other 2 defenders to support them.
not watched it yet, but expecting Rory to argue for Bernardo Silva for every position.
"Alisson is good but Bernardo Silva should've won a Ballon d'Or in his prime"
He subverted expectation but attempted to make an argument for Firmino over Haaland and Aguero 🤣🤣🤣
@@lee84that’s not completely absurd because yes on paper it doesn’t make sense but in the liverpool front three prime years mané and salah don’t get the goals without what firmino did
@@lee84well firmino is a great shout
Don't blame , he's big fan of _Barnardo Silva_
3 minutes in and Adam is saying Kyle Walker "can get you a goal" when he has 6 goals in 7 seasons..Trent has 22. Ridiculous
Adam nonce as always
Adam’s hate for Trent is insane, any time a RB is brought up in a debate with Trent he always picks the other RB
@@Skrugsdesignjust his hate for Liverpool in general
@@Skrugsdesign I mean his argument was wrong but Walker is a better RB, so it shouldn't matter too much.
Trent is a better player@@pfft5795
As a Liverpool fan here’s my take, Fabinho was the best DM in the world the season we won the league, however, Rodi has been the best DM for 3-4 seasons now, it has to be Rodri
Henderson and Milner were both brutally underrated for their whole time at Liverpool. We wouldn’t have won the league without them two.
Agreed 💯
They forgot David Silva
Same as company, played less under Pep and more under Mancini/Pellegrini.
That's true but they clearly said prime levels and even though David silva was in a class of his own he was just a tad bit past his prime under pep
@@josecambronero9419didn’t give a shout though and he was still amazing with pep
@@vishaladwani6689that’s a lie he was old but was still in his prime
@@vishaladwani6689he was incredible for pep he just wanted in 2020 to go to sociedad for the end of his career. Got more goals and assists for Spain than xavi and iniesta
A player who should have had a bigger honorable mention was Wijnaldum. Not saying he gets into the combines team, but he was probably Liverpool’s most important midfielder. Technically sound as well as physically.
I feel like this is why Klopp is a better manager. What he an get out of these players like Wijnaldum is ridiculous.
Would be a decent point if this team wasn’t as evenly split as it could possibly be. All of the Liverpool players in the team are all-timers in the league.
@@skapenguin are you saying klop is a better manager then pep?
Absolutely and his injury record was unreal
@@skapenguinmeh. pep did the same with delph, zinchenko and otamendi. this notion that klopp worked with a grp of worse players is soo flawed
holy shit im a liverpool fan, fabinho over rodri rory is genuinely fucking insanity
At Fabinho’s peak, although short-lived, I can see the argument, but Rodri at this point is miles ahead
This might be a stretch but rodri is pretty close to busquets levels... Not the prime prime 2015 one but surely just edging below...
Fabinho has been one of our most underrated players from 2018-2022 and last season really hurt his general reputation but to be completely honest, he was never as good as Rodri is rn. Fabinho was arguably the world's best cdm in his prime but Rodri was arguably the best player in the world at his peak. He's simply on another level
Agree rodri is better than fabinho
Must not watch your team much then. Fabinho was the best DM in the world for a period.
Can’t believe they didn’t mention David Silva, probably the best Spanish player to play in the PL
%100 deserved to be the third midfielder as an lfc fan
Yes, but David Silva's greatest years were under Mancini and Pellegrini. This is a Pep and Klopp XI and he was past his best under Pep.
.....erm David Silva isn't better than a certain cesc fabregas
@@sibsama not true at all, David Silva was part of the centurions team and the domestic treble winning team having played 30 odd games in each season
Im furious at Buvey not even aknowledge David Silva
I think this is quite easy apart from rb. (Liverpool fan)
Allison
Van dijk,stones,Robertson
B.silva,kdb, rodri
Salah,aguero,mane
TAA/walker is probably the biggest 50/50 you can get, I would take taa, but walker is definitely not a wrong answer
as a city fan i love stones, but its so tough between him and dias as the other cb
This is the list I would have too, aguero over halaand because he plays actual football and that’s what would blend well with the other 2
Prime coutinho >silva
I am stunned that David silva wasn’t even mentioned !
@@bramblewasson2886 this is just not true
I would say his biggest influence was more pre-Pep. He definitely should be in the conversation that said!
@@Matthew-bu7fg David Silva was the midfield conductor of a team that won 198 combined points in 2 seasons. He played arguably his best ever football and had massive influence under Pep.
GK: Allison Becker
RB: Trent Alexander-Arnold
CB: Virgil Van Dijk
CB: Ruben Dias
LB: Andrew Robertson
CDM: Rodri
CM: Kevin De Bruyne
CM: Ilkay Gundogan
RF: Mohammed Salah
LF: Sadio Mane
STR: Sergio Aguero
Kompany over dias.... kompany was always in his prime. Man was a beast before pep came and he became better after pep arrived
D Silva or B Silva or Gundo for me but everything else spot on
Dont think Mane can get in, Sterling outperforms him in every department. Either way, I'd put Bernardo there
@@ironheade22Sterling over Mane??? Are you insane
@matija9540 That's what all the evidence shows. Not sure how Mane gets away with it. He scored less than Sterling and missed more big chances between 17/18-21/22. Sterling also got more assists and created more chances, he was better in every way
I love how they say Man City has zero LBs in the conversation when Cancelo was in the TOTY for 2022
Probably because about half of Cancelo's appearances were at RB and he's played both sides for most of his career. And currently plays RB.
@@steviewonder0850he was lb for city though
Because he is not a Left back. He's a a right footed midfielder who plays in midfield when in possession and is instructed to defend at left back which according to Pep's and Mancity's playstyle, is 7% of the time.
He's not even a great defender. Got turn spun around by Salah like it was nothing.
@@themanwithnothingtolosecould say the same about trent?
Cancelo, and I don't think it's too harsh to say this, was lucky with Pep's tacticsl innovation.
He was a poor defender (worse than Trent, but never got mentioned as much for it) who was very capable with the ball. Pep realised this and moved him into a position on the pitch that he could take advantage of his ability with the ball and minimise his deficiencies. The same reason Trent's best spell this season (December) he was playing as almost a right 8, arriving late in the box and scored a few big goals.
Cancelo was a great tactical innovation, but not as much a noteworthy player.
Well done Rory probably the first and last time I’ll say this but well done for showing firmino the appreciation he deserves one of my all time favourite players to play for us love the guy he doesn’t get in this but wow what a player he was
"They could even beat this side we picked" class from buvey 😭😭
You missed Joao Cancelo at LB lads. He was out of this world cutting in on his right foot
Extremely high level footballer on his day. It's Robertson over him but not even to mention cancelo is remarkable to say the least.
Alisson, Robertson, Van Dijk, Kompany, Walker, KDB, Silva, Rodri, Mane, Salah, Aguero. Subs: Ederson, Diaz, Trent, Haaland, Firmino, Foden, Silva (the other one), Jota, Fabinho. So tough that.
Decent list but I wld put TAA in over Walker
Coutinho prime > Silva
Diaz on the bench? Luiz Diaz???
Do you mean Luis Diaz or Ruben Dias?
That’s a very fair list
LW:Mane ST:Aguero RW:Salah CM:Gundogan CM:KDB CDM:Rodri LB:Robertson CB:VVD CB:Stones RB:Walker Vs Trent GK:Allison. 10 Positions are clear: 5 for Klopp and 5 for Pep, it comes down to RB and it’s a toss up on preference imo, and I’m leaning towards Trent.
Second Team: LW: Sterling ST:Firmino RW:Mahrez CM:Bernado Silva CM:David Silva CDM:Fabinho LB:Ake CB:Dias CB:Kompany RB:Walker GK:Ederson…this shows city and Peps having a huge advantage in the depth compared to Klopp’s Liverpool. First 11 Klopp had 6 but in the second 11 Klopp only gets 2.
I'm a Liverpool fan and even l can see that leaving out David Silva is unforgivable.
The guy was a beast.
I love David and he should have been mentioned but he doesn’t make the team, Gundogan did more for pep overall across the pep dynasty
Coutinho not being mentioned as well is a shame. Probably forgotten but he played his best football under Klopp and contributed enourmously to dragging us back to UCL football. Him, David Silva, and Bernardo Silva in a unique category where they could just do things no one else can.
Im surprised that David Silva wasnt even given an honourable mention here.
I remember watching a clip of jurgen klopp saying if he could have any player in the Liverpool team who would it be and he said David silva and that should say everything about how mad it is they even forgot to mention his name ahah
What of philippe coutinho?
Left back - Robertson probably still takes it but how does a City fan not mention Cancelo? For a period he was easily on the conversation for best LB in the world.
Otherwise, legit.
coutinho was unreal
Relax they’re talking about players not money laundering schemes
@@Deathmare235 what
Yeah but we acheived everything after he left
He pretty much scored a goal from outside of the box every other game at one point. So good on the ball and not to mention his passing game! There's a reason we were able to get 140 mill for him@@raulibarra4355
@@Deathmare235they're talking about man city...
ali, robbo,vvd, dias, walker(for now), rodri(fab was great tho, leftoo early) debruyne gundo(pip b,silva n d silva for me), mane, salah haaland
lfc midfield has been underrated thi, thiago(without injjuire he could have been the very best), hendo(for different reasons)gini( left tooe early could do everything and fab where geninuely class, different players and some left too early, lfc have better first 11, city better squad, overall lfc get fullbacks gk vvd and mane salah.
even trying to make the argument that Fabinho is even close to Rodri let alone better is utterly ridiculous
liverpool fanbase, deluded FC
Lmao Rashford
@@faridirwan7610 you do realise one is a chelsea fan one is united and one is city none of them are liverpool fans 😂
@@faridirwan7610Deluded kid from Pakistan
David Silva, KDB and Fernandinho carried us to the Centurions season, they were unstoppable and somehow they forgot one of them.
Fair play lads. You’re all passionate about your clubs, but you also have the ability to put your club biases aside. Enjoy listening to you all speak about the fame
Rodri vs Fabinho should’ve never been a debate. Rodri all day everyday twice on Sunday
Recency bias
Talking absolute pony you! Fabinho was best dm in the world no question before his legs started to go.
Fabinho was rivaling rodri until last season. So for these two last years, it's rodri.
But it's not some forgone conclusion.
Agreed Rodri has gone two levels above Prime Fabinho one of the best DMs of all time. Both unbelievable players like.
@@yessi1585it’s cause rodri is now the best cdm in the world while Fabinho was never top 2
Damn that was actually a level headed discussion with decent ball knowledge. Vastly better then what you see on pitchside 😂🤣
Liverpool get the GK, fullbacks, VVD, and wingers, City get everything else
VVD but yes
Yh but Kyle walker gets in
Spot on.
Five vs 6 so it’s not big difference
Honestly konate is better than any city cb
as a liverpool fan, im shocked that David Silva didnt even get a shout out. 1 of the best player i have ever seen!
It's wild how they never have a Liverpool fan on during these segments lol
No fan channel apart from Liverpool fan channels have good Liverpool rep..it’s why none of our players gets overhyped
GK: Alisson
RB: Kyle Walker
CB: Ruben Dias
CB: Virgil van Dijk
LB: Andy Robertson
CDM: Rodri
CM: Kevin de Bruyne
CM: Bernardo Silva
RW: Mo Salah
LW: Sadio Mane
ST: Sergio Aguero (I feel like he'd be better than Haaland in this team, as he can interchange with Salah and Mane as needed, unlike Haaland).
“It's Thiago or nothing”
- Pep Guardiola
I'm a Liverpool fan but I actually agree with this.
Few shouts, Coutinho, Milner, Kompany, Fabhino, Firminho, David Silva, Bernardo Silva could all easily be in that squad too.
Alisson
Trent VVD Dias Robertson
Rodri
Kdb Silva
Salah Haaland Mane
I would argue, Nunez on the left wing. If you take bias banter aside, I think Nunez offers more than Mane. Manes just done it already, but eye test, Nunez is better, and has room to grow
wijnaldum?
Alisson
Walker Dias VVD Cancelo
Rodri
KDB Silva
Salah Mane
Haaland
There we go mate, fixed it for you
@@Nunyabusiness40 I can only speak of right now it is what it is. And mane especially his early years with klopp was sublime.
@@willh5901 Wijnaldum was good at his role Silva and KDB are just more talented no knock against wijndlim tho
Liverpool fan here, my list is:
Allison
Trent VVD Stones Robertson
Rodri KDB Bernardo
Salah Aguero Mane
Only one up for debate is RB, rest is common sense
Aguero over treble winning Haaland ? Yeah right...
As a city fan I can concur. Especially as LB is our weakest position or almost non existent. RB can be a toss up depending on play and coaching style. Other than that, that's a hard 11 to beat. Good creativity and also pace for the front 3 and either of them can rotate positions.
@@modernmind1847yes aguero is clear atm. come on man aguero most disrespected striker of all time, easily top 5.
@@modernmind1847yes. Aguero had more time under Pep and was more of a creative striker. He can create his own goals.
@@CBear2682 Aguero is a 'better footballer', but he literally failed at the same stage where Haaland succeded, failed to be the 'final piece' just two seasons before Haaland came in and did it 🤗
Haaland is not a baller but he's a goal freak...
Adam gets away with too many bad takes without a Liverpool fan there to even it out with facts. Trent is a generational talent. When walker was his age his was trophiless
Take the trophies away, Trent is generational. Walker is not
@yessi1585 both are generational, but walker can defend while trent cannot.
@@Cyrus-rodn45 Trent can control the tempo of a game, walker cannot
I support Liverpool but Trent is a terrible defender. Bradley deserves to keep him out of the team. As an all round talent he might edge out Walker but if we're just talking right back Walker is way better.
Both Key to their sides but Walker has won more so you have to pick him.
Trent has to be in over Walker imo; he means so much more to LFC than Walker does to City.
Fabinho was the best cdm in the world for a good 2 years at least. Was always a top player at Liverpool and would still be an asset to Liverpool today
He was. But Rodri is better than Fabinho ever was. Rodri will go down as an alltime great in his position. Fabinho just had a strong peak. Im a Liverpool fan but this is not even a debate.
@@imRehnzyFabinho never had stong peak better than rodri bruhh rodri peak is him being named best player in 3 European comps plus fininshing top 5 in ballon dor 😂 fabinho was can only dream
@@kaydeecesmith5540 I literally said rodri is better without any debate. Fabinho was the best pure dm for two years tho. But Rodri is him. Generational Pirlo
I am so glad Buvey mentioned Gundogan cos he is soo underrated
The fact that these muppets think Pep would take Trent over Walker suggests they know very little about football. The way City play , pressing high up the pitch and the positions that the players take up, Walker's pace, intensity and physicality as the last man in transition is absolutely crucial. Trent's ability on the ball, like Cancelo's, would just be booted out of Manchester if it became a liability.
just based on performances in city vs liverpool classics, some must haves are Mane , Salah, Bernardo(not gundogan), Sane, Stones, Robertson, VVd. Other honourable mentions : Firnmino, Aguero, Jesus, Henderson, Fernandinho
As City fan i will take YAYA TOURE over anybody esle imma big fan of him 😘 that man was unreal despite spending few years with MC he was blessing to watch him . Great well rounded player Freekicks long shots he have everything u from Midfielder while he was playing most his time as CDM . I think will put this way :
============ Alisson==========
Walker Vijk Dais Robort
=== Yaya Toure ===
==D.Silva KDB==
=Egyptian king= =AGUEROO= =Mane
If you play a Stones that step into midfield, you play Walker on right and Ake or Gvardiol left.
To leave Trent, with 100g/a, as well as being the defender with the most assists ever in the league at only 25. Joke😂
Coutinho should be on the debate. He has played only few years under Klopp, but he was one man army. If he would have stayed, he would have been a legend by now. I am not saying he must be in the team, but he was something special.
Gotta get back for counter attacks quick so gomez is a better option at left back than anyone apparently… according to Adam of course
Coutinho should make this team as a CM. Those 2 seasons were some of the best I'd seen. There's a reason they got 150mil for him.
People forget how good he was and that 150 wasn’t a spur of the moment buy for barca they wanted the year before too so coutinho was so good barca came in for him we said no not this year he had another amazing season that made barca then come back and pay 50 mill less than what they sold prime neymar for
Who’s he getting in over?
@@sidbob1215 I'd go Rodri at 6, KDB as an 8, and Coutinho as the 10. I'd rather play KDB as an 8 than have Gundo over Coutinho. And I'm a neutral. Coutinho was an absolute world beater in those Liverpool years
you guys forgot cancelo and david silva
Walker over Trent is mental. Dias and stones over Matip is also mental. I won’t watching the rest of this now 😂
Now do a combined eleven from wenger ferguson and see if that team is better than a man city liverpool eleven.
As a liverpool fan I can kindly disagree with the term buvey has used saying under klopp the midfield was the least important. Probably was our most important tbh. The engine room. How we play is based off of the midfield with the pressing and all that. But I can see how other fan bases think its the front three or back four. Tbh all very important to how we set up and play.
The best player to ever play for city is Agüero, not kdb
Stones over Ruben Dias is wild 😂😂. The narrative around Stones has shifted wildly there was a point 2 seasons ago or something when it was argued that Stones should be sold n when fit Laporte started over Stones like 80% of the time. There was a point where he was being benched by Otamandi. This must be English bais. Still a great player thou🚶🏿♂️🚶🏿♂️🚶🏿♂️
And living out David Silva is beyond foolish
This combined XI is genuinely one of the hardest to make because in all actuality, we could make 3-5 iterations and all of them would be insane.
imagine picking two teams with this set of players draft-style. would make for one hell of a video, and two great teams
Klopp is such a good manager he never had great midfielders in his Liverpool career but managed to dominate the prem at times when midfields are the most important positions on a football pitch
No david silva?? Yaya toure?? Liverpool fan here
Let's be real, all at their prime, the team is:
Alisson
Walker
Dias
Van Dijk
Robertson
Rodri
De Bruyne
Bernado Silva
Salah
Aguero
Mane
The fact that David silva wasn't even in the conversation is mad
As a Chelsea fan
GK-Alison
RB- Walker CB- Kompany CB- VVD LB- Robertson
Rodri-Fernandinho
Salah-KDB-Mane
Haaland
as a liverpool fan fabinho at his prime was incredible, but not as good as rodri.
Gk - Allison
LB and RB - Robbo and Walks
CB's - VVD and John Stones
CDM - Rodri
8s - Silva and KDB
LW - Mane
ST - Aguero
RW- Salah
My combined 11
Front line: Mane Haaland Salah
Midfield: KDB Rodri. Gundogan
Back line: Robertson Dias. Van Dijk. Walker
Gk: Allison
Oh wow, they actually made the correct XI for once...
Haha, love the show, keep it up guys!
any combined XI without David Silva is just wrong!
@@anuragshukla7912
Well like 60% of his City career wasn't under Guardiola. They also didn't pick Kompany for the same reason. On top of that, De Bruyne is better. Unfortunately that's the position he's competing for...
In combined XI I would have both KDB and Silva, and Silva literally played for centurions and quad season and was influential.@@Jordy4610 .
Alisson
Trent
VVD
Matip
Robbo
Rodri
De Bruyne
B.Silva
Mané
Salah
Aguero
As a Liverpool fan i cant argue that the midfield 3 has to be all city players. Liverpool's midfield in their prime were all dogs and worked hard. Fabinho was unbelievable for us but Rodri is arguablly one of the best DMs the league has seen. If anything Wijnaldum is our best hope of getting in that midfield. He was our most important midfielder, was never injured, could play in multiple positions, technically brilliant, massive engine, never lost the ball, scored some clutch goals, was always at least a 7/10 for us, he was 100% an unsung hero in that team it only took us till this season to replace him properly. Not saying he would get in the midfield but he definelty deserved a more honourable mention imo.
It was always astonishing to me that Liverpool never tried to improve upon their midfield after the CL and PL win. In my opinion the 2-3 years after that were a waste because had they improved upon an aging Fabinho and Henderson and injury prone players like Keita and Thiago. They would have been able to pinch another league title and possibly would have had another CL under their belt. Looking at now that they actually have a good midfield and Klopp is leaving… it just seems like such a tease of what could have been.
Keita and Fabinho really messed Liverpools plans up in that they were meant to be the heart of the midfield at the perfect age (late 20s) while they transitioned away from Hendo, Milner etc. but instead Fabinho was actually 38 with a dodgy passport and Keita was a corpse. Hendo/Milner ended up as the more reliable players. Then, after that set back, Madrid were replacing their midfield at the exact same time and Liverpool missed out on all of their key targets to them in consecutive windows.
GK: Alisson 2019 - Current
RB - TAA 2018-2019 or 2023-Current
CB: VVD pre Jordan Pickford Injury
CB: Dias (not this season but all previous seasons he's been really consistent. This season he's been decent but it's probably because he set the bar too high)
LB: Cancelo (pre-Bayern). Robertson has been great, but Cancelo with his technique was just something else
CDM - Rodri (2022 - Current) Complete CDM and without him, City look vulnerable on the counter
CM - KDB (2018 - Current)
CM - Bernardo Silva (2019 - Current)
LW - Mane (2018 - 2020) - what a player
ST - Haaland (ever since he signed for City).
RW - Salah (2018 - Current)
As an LFC fan, the only players I think would get into this eleven is Alisson, VVD, Robbo, Salah, and Mane with the rest of the players being from City which is just a testament to how brilliant City have been under Pep. My bias obviously resides with Liverpool but Can't deny how good some city players have been
You could make an argument for TAA but I agree with you
Cancelo is a better Lb than Robertson. I would have TAA in without a doubt he is incredible
@@ShanoStyle17 cancelo was the best LB for one season(2020/21), Robertson has been the best LB every season besides that one season …. Same reason agüero makes it above haaland for me , Halaand had one great season versus Kun who did it consistently for multiple seasons under pep
@@matija9540 Trent and Mo are my favourite players in the LFC squad but like they said in the video, there’s no wrong answer whether you want Trent or walker at RB but the players I mentioned in the first comment are ones that I think are nailed on to make most combined 11s between these two great teams
I think TAA makes it into the combined 11 along with the others you mentioned. That’s just over half the team. Plus if you put in a different system or coach for the team it could be a different story
Honestly I agree with every pick. I believe Walker and Trent are interchangeable but the is spot on. Well done lads.
I'd like to dispute this with my (probably bias-influenced) XI, playing in a 4231. Assuming this is a prime/peak team of each player:
Alisson;
Trent, Dias, Virgil, Robertson;
Fabinho, Rodri;
Salah, De Bruyne, Mane;
Haaland.
Alisson goes without saying, best keeper ITW.
Trent - potentially more suspect defensively than Walker, but his crossing in the 18/19 season with Haaland to aim at would double his record-breaking assist tally for a defender.
Dias - at his best a wall. Wouldn't need to be so clean with the ball with everyone around him.
Van Dijk best in the world, end of conversation.
Robbo - like Trent, at his best up & down, link up play with Mane was a joke and crossing also would just find Haaland.
Fabinho & Rodri as a double pivot. The reason Trent can go in with any "He can't defend allegations" because you put these two alongside each other and who's getting past them on the counter. Both aerial presences. At his best Fabinho was the best BWM in the world, covering for 4 men and allowing us to press so high (his drop off is why our press broke down last year). Rodri comes in and becomes takes Fabinho's mantle as best DM in the world, does all the defending and adds a metronomic control of the tempo with his passing. If you can get past them, good luck with the two CBs or Ali.
Salah, best RW ITW. His best season, 17/18 he gets 57 goal contributions and should have won the ballon d'or. Imagine adding De Bruyne's creativity to that.
As said. Give KDB the old fashion 10 role. You're free to roam, go where you like and do what you want. Would be a cheat code.
Mane. His dribbling at his best was mesmerising, his pace electric and his strength probably only bettered by Adama Troare amongst wingers. Goals, assists, movement, cool haircut before the hairline recedes. Less said about his wife, the better in this theoretical conversation. Best LW ITW at his peak, 2nd to Benzema for Ballon D'Or.
Haaland. Mentioned earlier, but Imagine giving the ultimate poacher service from Trent, Robbo, Rodri, Salah, Mane and a free-role KDB. I'm not joking when I say he could get 2 goals per game over a league season with that service.
Underrated consideration for this XI is their overall physical presence. Imagine having Trent & Robbo inswinging a corner onto Virgil, Dias, Haaland, Fabinho, Rodri and Mane marking the keeper with KDB and Salah waiting for a headed clearance to score a volley. Unbelievable.
Gundogan is so so so clear of Fabinho overall
"should have won the ballon d'or" that's ridiculous considering he never sit at the podium
@faridirwan7610 take it you're talking about Salah. In the 18-24 month period at the end of his time for Roma and his first season or two in the PL he was only bettered by Messi for G+A. Just because the Ballon D'Or is voted by journalists and it doesn't truly reflect who has been the best player doesn't mean he shouldn't have received recognition for just how good he was at that point.
@frankierc2920 clearly forgotten, or just never watched, Fabinho's peak. He was for a year or two the best DM in world football. Which, as I said is why you could pair him at his peak with Rodri and create a pivot that would allow Trent to just go float and play footy rather than defend.
Alisson Trent van dijk kompany/dias Robertson Rodri de bruyne Bernardo salah mane firmino/aguero/haaland ones with / are genuinely a debate
Laporte is massively underrated, he was part of City’s team when City & Liverpool were going at it at their peak. You know a player is good when you just hate them bc they’re so good, we had Virgil but they had Laporte. Injuries might have killed him, but for me at their best he was better than Kmpany or Dias.
not even close to being better than kompany or dias what the fuck hahaha. he was a starter for literally only 1 season in the last 4 years. stones and dias have been the starters most seasons
I hear you man , genuinely between him and stones for the other centre half next to van dijk
I edged it to stones because he's genuinely reaching all timer levels with these performances since 2022
Coutinho has to be mentioned, just because his move to Barca didn’t work out, we shouldn’t forget how good of a player he was, ridiculous footballer
The fullback choice depends on the other fullback choice.
TAA and Gvardiol or
Walker and Cancelo or
Walker and Zinchenko
The midfield is Fernandinho, Kdb, David Silva. That 3 were the perfect midfield. Ferna was so underrated
of course the second 11 of this team win the UCL, these are 2 of the best teams of the century so far and the second choice is also world class cus both teams have 11 players who have been world class for periods
Absolutely insane how long they spent debating Rodri. He is by far the best Premier League central midfielder in this Pep, Klopp era.
How David silva didn’t make it is beyond me
The only reason why you will pick any player over B. Silva is because he is versatile on the right wing and the midfield. Silva is crazy good.
Allison
Walker Stones Van Dijk Robertson
Rodri
De Bruyne Gundogan
Salah Haaland B.Silva
My 2nd XI
Ederson
Arnold Konate Dias Ake
Fernandinho
Foden D.Silva
Mahrez Aguero Mane
Thats what I would pick.
The fact that Rory is wanting Henderson in the team over Rodri is laughable
GK : Alisson
LB : Robertson
RB : TAA
CB : VVD
CB : Dias
DM : Rodri
CM : Henderson (This will be controversial, I can sense it lol)
CM : De Bruyne
LW : Mane
RW : Salah
ST : Agüero
Alisson, Walker, Kompany, Van Dijk, Robertson, Rodri, David Silva, De Bruyne, Mane, Haaland, Salah
Allison
Walker Van Dijk Stones Robertson
Rodri De Bruyne Bernardo Silva
Salah Aguero Mane
But yeah overall both sides are packed with quality, as Klopp's sides thrive on having a strong engine in midfield, I went with Bernardo Silva instead of Henderson - due to Silva being the overall better player. A lot of great names have been missed out though, Kompany, TAA, Wijnaldum, Dias, Gundogan, Fabinho, David Silva, Haaland, Mahrez, Foden and Firmino.
I think for these discussions you need to make 2 teams, one combined team if Klopp was the manager and one team if Pep was the manager, because when you start making statements like "Pep would probably play this guy" etc, it starts to get wild.
You are right but again, ill argue with Rory that i dont think mane and salah become who they are without Firmino .. he was the most important player (outside van dijk ) and arguably even period during the klopp era. I dont think we win trophies without Firmino (or Origi)
The disrespect to David Silva and Cancelo is crazy
Bobby firmino heeds to be in the front If you have goal scoring wingers not just for his ability to link up but the guy could score goals when he wanted to he just used to give the wingers ball because they would have a better chance and that would be the best for the team
Alisson
Trent Stones VanDijk Cancelo
Gundogan Rodri DeBruyne
Salah Haaland Bernardo
Walker’s PR is insane 😭 also Alison is miles clear of ederson it’s not even funny
Considering city has won 5/6 premier leagues it has to be a mostly city XI and I’m a Chelsea fan
Not how it works
finally someone with sense.
lol are you dumb??...liverpool's midfield is not great so we can replace them with city players just like city's front three are not as good as lfc's front two or three
@@starr2618that's exactly how it should works.... Liverpool players are just overhyped
@@SatyamSingh0702Which ones are overhyped? And who is better than them in their positions?
Origi didn’t get a mention come on , just saying bring that man’s name up
My combined eleven
Gk-Alisson
LB-Robertson
CB-Van Dijk
CB-Dias
RB-Trent
DM-Rodri
CM-De Bruyne
CM-Coutinho
LW-Mané
CF-Haaland
RW-Salah
Coutinho had like 1 good season. Its easily a triple city midfield and noone really comes close. And trent isn't better than walker. Walker has 5 pls and played a big part in the defence every year. Trent has won 1
If they play Bayern do you reckon Trent will catch up to Coman on a counter attack . And David silva just left the chat
Everyone has just forgetten how good Coutinho was. They didn’t even mention him
They didn’t mention David Silva who was objectively better than Coutinho
Mane - Aguero - Salah
KDB - Rodri - D.Silva
Robertson - VVD - Kompany - Walker
Allison
The choice would be Dias/Alexander-Arnold/Robertson or Stones/Walker/Ake, you need Arnold or Stones in the team for creativity and passing and dominating but to fit one in you should go with the other 2 defenders to support them.
gundogan over bernardo silva is the most vile thing i have ever heard