DEBATE: England's All-Time XI!
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- Опубликовано: 23 июн 2024
- Adam McKola, Rory Jennings, Buvey & Flav debate and create their all-time England XIs.
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Can’t wait to hear Rory say how Ashley Cole is comparable to maradona and Robert Carlos and that foreign fans agree for the 20th time
Swear I've heard him say that 1000 times at this point
Why you hating on Ashley Cole?
he is comparable to roberto carlos tho. Best player of his position for several years
Hes slowly turning into Margaret Thatcher
He is correct though.
How do those this channel not have any graphic editing so we can see the players you have put in???
Laziness mostly.
Good luck with that. They don’t even describe the game of football they’re watching when they’re live.
In my opinion it's for viewership. If they put a graphic at the end people would just skip the video to the end just to see the side they picked rather than watching throughout
I think they did this live and this is just a snippet
@@lewisaspden3217It’s genuinely impressive how little they acknowledge the game at hand
Cannot remember one moment from foden in euro 2020 what is buvey on about 🤣🤣
He played the first game in the group stages with his Gascoigne trim did absolutely horribly and never played again for the rest of the tournament
@@Shhhhhhhhhjjhe hit the post lol. Your Name just says it all about your low life. Touch grass
@@Shhhhhhhhhjj that’s what I was going to say wasn’t he literally pushed out the team by Saka 🤣
@@Cbfbxvzg well he broke his foot against Denmark
@@ManchesterCitySupremacythe semi final? He had the entire tournament to do something relevant 😂
You can’t talk about players you’ve never seen. It’s entirely pointless.
I agree but you can also never call it all time either.
@@joescott5322 Agreed. Video title - England's All-Time XI!
Then within the first 2 minutes it is said it is not the all time XI it is a recent XI...
It's not pointless fuck me guess you're 12 and think everything before 2015 doesn't matter
People talk about pele like he was the greatest thing ever but most people alive today haven’t even seen him play
The disrespect of this generation is a joke
did Buvey really put up Foden for an ALL TIME ENGLAND XI 😭😭
And over Barnes too 😂😂
Well they got Scholes in who was absolutely terrible for England. Never did anything and then retired
He ain’t even had 2 Good England performances🤣
And on the left 🤣
he loves spitting delusional shit he always does this haha
Trying to compare Foden to John Barnes is absolutely insane. John Barnes is better than Foden now, and in the future.
Madness😂. The disrespect on Barnes is shocking
Would have been Chris waddle for me on the Left, Waddle or Barnes anyhow. No shout for Hoddle in the centre?
What is this narrative that foden “ran” a champions league final? Literally had one moment then ghosted the rest of the game.
One moment that you remember from a RUclips short lol he doesn’t have to score a hat trick to run a champions league final
@@chapman2001 no that’s literally the only thing I remember him doing and I’ve never seen a RUclips short of it what are you on about?
@@chapman2001he also has to do a lot also he was a sub, I’m pretty sure Jack grealish had more play time than him in the final
Shearer is an absolute lock in this team. In my opinion there is only one argument that you might use to delude yourself into thinking he isnt and that would be facilitating around a central midfield that is lacking in defensive rigidity, by selecting Rooney to shore up that weakness.
My god did Buvey seriously say Foden was a better footballer then John Barnes. Please please don't speak on things you clearly have no idea about. Just say I've never seen John Barnes kick a football. And yes John Barnes could dictate play from Central midfield. Just watch any John Barnes game post injury. Went from the best winger in the country to the best midfielder in the country.
😂😂 I laughed so hard at that part. Between 87-91 Barnes was something else.
🗣️🤣💀
Another painful watch. Foden might be the most overrated player of all time.
Na Roberto Carlos probably is
Gerrard exists
Saka 🤣 they seriously suggested him over Beckham
@@Rob07544saka has done more for England in terms of performance and goals/ assists then foden has ever done for the white shirt yet foden was a serious debate in this video, now tell me which one is more overrated out of the two. Muppet
@@paramtageja6891Gerrard overrated? What a laugh.
Buvey says Shearer doesn’t get in the team because a lack of trophies and 3 mins late says Saka will never get in because trophies isn’t what matters 😂🙃 swear he’s cartoon character, just there to say stupid things to annoy people. He cannot be seriously there for his actual insight
I swear Rory looks different every week. His hair randomly grows rapidly😂 1 minute he looks rough with short hair and stubble and then a week later he’s got long hair and no beard and looks 14 again. Mad to think he’s about 40
He’s trying different styles because the lighting exposes how bald he is on top. He now uses a sort of fluffy comb over technique to hide it.
@@WaniZame He's got full head of hair never going bald what talking about 😂😂
He's 41 next month
@@WaniZame His hair looks fine to me. Quit being obsessed about men bro
@@celticbarry9877is he that old? Himself and Goldbridge look young for their ages. Like Rory looks 31.
Ik it was a bit of a joke but arguing about the quality of the man for sol Campbell just to put Terry in instead was crazy 🤣
If they’d include quality of the man as a category, not a single member of the 2002-2006 Golden Generation is getting in this XI 🤣
As soon as Rory said Le-Saux over Pearce....that was the final straw in me giving the guy any acknowledgement at all....Honestly that comment is laughable!!! This guy's whole knowledge focuses around most of the Prem era and Chelsea bias only! For someone of his age, he is so narrowminded and ignorant of what is ability and isn't!!!
Agree...Kenny Samson was miles above Le Saux, let alone Pearce..
The disrespect for Shearer is unreal. Buvey said he isn't World Class, what drugs is Buvey taking?
Video title - England's All-Time XI!
Then within the first 2 minutes it is said it is not the all time XI it is a recent XI...
Crazy
No mention of Bryan Robson?? The complete central midfielder. Also 26 goals in 90 international games for a CM is mental.
before their time tbh, but adam should of said him tho
Buvey - Shearer only has one PL title
Next minute - Rooney and KANE…what a combination
I don’t understand why people hold Kane to this god of England status when he is the biggest winner on a scale of only losers.
Also England's all time leading scorer. I'd have him in over shearer based on England contribution.
I'm having shearer, fowler or Owen over kane
Kane is a stat padder. Never scored in a significant game. Linekar has
For Buvey's benefit, I tried to put together an XI based on my limited understanding of football history (4-2-2-2):
GK: G Banks (the only ENG GK I've ever heard of getting respect from foreign fans, even if it is mostly for that one save!)
RB: V Anderson (no real outstanding candidates here TBH. Take your pick from Neville, Madeley, Neal, Walker, TAA, Steven etc)
CBs: R Ferdinand & B Moore (think they'd compliment each other's games well with a bit of luck)
LB: As Cole (think Rory overrates him, but obv choice.)
DCM: D Edwards (what might have been, but was already Ballon d'Or podiumist and best player on league winning teams without that)
CM: B Robson (Beckham vs Greece, but every week. Just unlucky with injuries, and maybe picking United over Liverpool)
RAM: T Finney (versatile, two-footed, great crosser, passer and dribbler and solid goal scorer. Less selfish than Matthews)
LAM: B Charlton (first name on the team sheet. Only Englishman with a Ballon d'Or, WC winners medal and UCL winners medal)
CF: K Keegan (hard working star. Did it at home and in Germany. Two time Ballon d'Or winner)
S: J Greaves (highest scoring human in the big 5 euro leagues' history*. Peaked early, but peaked highest of all England's great strikers)
Obvs many, many players unlucky not to get in. Probably closest to putting Rooney in over Keegan of all those that didn't make it. Picked a formation that avoids having a LW but still relatively weak areas in RB and DM I guess. Might have mentioned the Ballon d'Or too many times during that list! Oh well.
* if you believe Messi and CR7 aren't human anyway. Though I've also heard G Muller might be #3, rather than Greaves. I dunno, depends who you ask it seems.
The fact that Gary Linker wasn't even mentioned as a shout for best England striker is crazy to me, and I'm not even English.
To simply fob off Shearer for Kane is ridiculous. I STAN with Shearer!
This list has almost no correlation with the national team.
This is an English 11 based loosely on the national team.
Phil Foden been discussed having done nothing for England & had 1 top level season at Man City who almost gurantee trophies.
Meanwhile Raheem Sterling was England best player when they reach Euro final was glossed over.
Raheem Sterling contributed alot more then Foden ever has for Man City during there best spells & contributed to more league titles and trophies.
Raheem Sterling had similar output as Foden did last season & similarly was viewed as arguably PL player of the year when City beat during 98 point title race where Liverpool lost it by 1.
City that season won the domestic treble + won league with 98 points with Sterling as the best player.
Foden won 1 trophy during a period where City won 6 titles in 7 years including a current 4-peat.
All it took was Phil Foden to have a great season for him to be viewed as Balon D'or level & he must be in an All-time 11.
City won a treble year prior with Foden hardly being involved as key player.
Fans are such aesthetic merchants.
You can't even use the trophy argument against Sterling otherwise it can't be used for Foden.
Sterling has 123 goals in the Premier league at 29.
Sterling is a much better LW then Phil Foden & winger in general.
They've got Scholes in who never had a good game for England
@@paramtageja6891 Scholes definitely had great games for England in qualifying.
Agreed
Not even a mention for Bryan Robson in midfield?! I thought Flav and Rory were a bit older and would therefore understand the levels he was at.
Exactly what I was thinking
Title is misleading, this is not an “All-Time XI”. Just a bizarre video idea if you’re going to ignore the one successful side England has had. I understand the desire to include players you’ve seen been Buvey is right, this is just a 1990’s-2020’s best XI
Gazza this gazza that. Steven Gerrard single handedly got England into the Brazil World Cup in 2014
Ultimate England Team and you’re not going to include the World Cup winning Captain? Genius.
Carrick Scholes midfield two wins you the World Cup btw
Seaman best goalkeeper?
Leighton Baines not being second best left back?
Neville over Walker? What am I watching
Players you haven’t seen play is certainly relevant but not when it’s being discussed by RUclipsrs… let football historians who know their stuff argue that, if you’re a fan though just talk about what you’ve seen
Buvey... Foden over Barnes??? People are calling for foden to be dropped today against slovenia, let alone making a best XI.
For me
Seaman, Neville, Pearce, Adams, Rio, gazza, Scholes, Becks, Platt, Shearer, and Lineker
i love the studio u have
Rory I wouldn’t be so sure some blokes in Brazil are sitting around putting Ashley Cole in their all time XI.
not even mentioned waddle - think you need to watch his highlights reel at OM
GK: Gordon Banks
RB: Kyle Walker
CB: Bobby Moore
CB: John Terry
LB: Ashley Cole
CM: Nobby Styles
CM: Paul Gascgoine
CAM: Bobby Charlton
RM: Stanley Matthews
LM: Geoff Hurst
ST: Jimmy Greaves
duncan Edwards in walker out. Rooney in hurst out.
@@aranyaism Edward’s isn’t a right back
you cant say "this XI isn't about england performance" for one player than include a player in strictly for their england performances over way better players lmao
No consistency
Foden is nowhere near John Barnes level yet
Never will be
Best players I've seen.
Seaman
Walker Ferdinand Terry Cole
Beckham Scholes Gerrard Gascoigne (sorry he's going left)
Rooney Kane
Best England form.
Pickford (20)
Neville (96) Ferdinand (02) Adams (96) Cole (06)
Beckham (02) Gascoigne (96) Rice (20) Sterling (20)
Rooney (04) Shearer (96)
MF is the hardest. Probably Scholes in 02/04 was better than Gerarrd and Lampard ever were. An argument for Hargreaves in 06 as well but did not play as much. Gone with Rice because he was playing brilliantly in the final vs Italy before he got taken off.
Campbell over Terry
. 1-Seaman
2-Walker 5-Rio 4-Terry 3-Cole
7-Beckham 8-Gerrard 6-Scholes 11-Barnes
10-Rooney 9-Kane
That's a great team, I'd change kane for shearer but that's only my opinion
No Moore, Charlton, Banks or Hurst?
@@ManchesterCitySupremacy based on the lads rule of players I’ve watched. Otherwise yea absolutely 👍
@@ManchesterCitySupremacy How many full 90s have you watched of those players?
@@bengreenbankHe is a man city fan. He only found out about football a few years ago.
Unless you're talking about Man U, please leave Adam out of the conversation. He'd make Keane English just to put him in the team.
I thought he made some decent choices
Do this every year
Not a single one of these people saw John Barnes play anywhere near his peak.
Lol the Buvey close up and disssapointed headshake when Becks mentioned as RM - hahahaha, shots like that are why I keep watching this channel.
Paul Ince was one of the best midfielders in England. I would say he was better for England than Steven G, Lampard and Scholes. He had a great club career as well.
Hence why Roh Keane had Paul Ince in his all time best for Man United team
Roy Keane a bitter twat because Scholes is rated more highly by United fans and his former team mates plus the lies of Henry and Pep.
What about an all time XI who could have qualified for playing for England, but never had a cap?
Paul Scholes a system player?! But I thought Fergie had no tactics and was just vibes and spent loads of money?!?!?! Nevermind the fact that Scholes played 3 different roles to an elite level throughout his career.
Gerrard clear
Performances in an England shirt:
Banks
Walker
Moore
Campbell
Cole
Beckham
Gascoigne
Charlton
Greaves
Lineker
Matthews
Overall/my eyes:
Pickford
Walker
Ferdinand
Terry
Cole
Gerrard
Scholes
Lampard
Rooney
Shearer
Sterling
Flav is the only sensible one here. Kane above Shearer? Gimme a break
The disrespect for Shearer "Overrated!" Whilst outscoring the likes of Henry, Bergkamp, Cantona. By far, the best pure Premier League striker England has had.
I love buvey and respect that he made the right call that Gerrard should be in midfield but he was so wrong on Barnes. Barnes was unbelievable
Theiry Henry picked Scholes over Gerrard and Pep Guardiola picked Scholes over both Lampard and Gerrard.
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how Micah Richards not being mention I dont know ? so disrespectful . he burst onto the scene
Buvey trying to squeeze in Foden on LW is mental. Dudes stinking up the gaff at LW in the last 2 weeks 😂😂. Gascoine was beautiful to watch but best English 11?? Not a chance. Scholes and Lampard all day. Winners the pair of them, win trophies is what they do.
Gerrard is brilliant but he's just not got that winners pedigree the other 2 have.
Lol I still cant over the fact that these guys were talking about Foden/Joe Cole like they were both better than Raheem on the left for England. Joe Cole was one of my favourite players but Sterling was better on the left hand side. Sterling has played better and more consistency as it stands than both Foden and Joe Cole for club and country
We have a good defensive record because a) against Denmark & Serbia, for the majority of the game we were defending in our own half with every player behind the ball; and b) against Slovenia, they were happy with a draw, we were always going to dominate possession, but never committed enough players forward to create chances, which in turn meant we were never really exposed to the counter.
Our good defensive record has come at the expense of creating many chances I think (although the balance of the team also doesn't help).
Noone will ever overtake Beckham, based entirely on his brand. Unless Bellingham becomes a right midfielder, it will still be Becks in 20 years
Does Buvey know who John Barnes was? The best winger this country has seen and then moved into the middle later on and became a leader and controller of the game. One of the most gifted players this country has ever seen
Always though Giggz followed John Barnes in that aspect.
Besides Bobby Charlton...Paul Gascoigne is the best creative midfield has ever had....There is nothing romantic about choosen Paul over Gerald ( different players cos i would out him alongside him) he was a better midfield than Lamps
Better for England than Scholes....If Paul Gascoigne went to Man united he would have won everything as well..thats how good he was
Banks; Wilson; Moore; Terry; Cole; Beckham; Charlton; Robson’s; Gascoigne; Greaves, Rooney. I’m 66 and not English.
No running visual of the team as you build it?
Didn't want us skipping to the end, just to see the names?
Buvey just said that Phil Foden is a better footballer than John Barnes.
I’ve honestly, never been more dumbfounded by a comment in the history of RUclips football content.
John Barnes is an all time Liverpool XI shoo in.
Phil Foden is nowhere near his level and never will be.
Shocking stuff. Absolutely shocking
Sorry the disrespect in the backline for modern day, because this England team has been in semi finals and finals the ‘Golden Gen’ couldn’t even qualify properly
Classic 4-4-2
Players I've seen:
Shilton
Neville, Terry, Butcher, Cole
Mcmanaman, Gascoigne, Scoles, Barnes
Owen, Shearer
All time:
Banks
Cohen, Terry, Moore, Cole
Ball, Gascoigne, Charlton, Barnes
Linekar, Greaves
Matthews over Ball surely?
Where’s Nobby Styles?
@@ManchesterCitySupremacy for team balance who would miss out? gascoigne is the most talented player england has ever produced and if hoddle wasnt a stupid to drop him in 98 he would have helped push england even further in the tournament.
stiles would be my first sub
@@spankkydelic2501 mathews was a Right outside forward the formation doesnt fit him. 4-3-3 formation he would be in there. But im using the classic 4-4-2 that england have nearly always used post 1950
Seaman,
Walker, Rio, Terry, Cole.
Gascoine, Ince, Scholes.
Beckham, Shearer, Rooney.
That's the team. 433 simply because there hasn't been a great left player in a flat 4. Plus I think the workrate of both players on both flank in a modern system in international football would be absurd, especially with the workrate of Ince, and passing ability of Gazza and Scholes.
Some of you are older than me and you don’t mention Des Walker??
Totally forgot Gary Linekar somehow
I’m absolutely certain they’ve made this video 7 times within the last couple of months
This team will be alot more interesting once the current young English players finish their careers
Why does Adam always seem so salty when the topic is England?
Paul Ince for CM & Bryan Robson some ballers
Gerrard was the greatest Premier League mdifielder of all time. He could excel in any midfield role.
So why were we over run with gerrard - Lampard midfield
@@WasimAhmed-zp2cmbecause of coaching, we needed a linchpin behind them and we didn't have it
But his performances for England were generally sub par (same can be said for Lampard and Scholes).
😂
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Henry picked Scholes and played against both.
Pep picked Scholes over Lampard and Gerrard
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Rory was drunk with that statement that Sheringham was better than Andy Cole
If they mentioned the likes of John barnes etc I’m surprised they never mentioned lineker he was amazing
11:58 Buber channelling his inner David Brent
This is crazy, either agree to not include current players before hand, or change the metrics. There is no way you don't include Jude Bellingham on this list. No way. A player that could literally eclipse Zidane from Zidane's shadow.
Seaman
Walker
Ferdinand
Stones
Cole
Beckham
Scholes
Bellingham
Foden
Rooney
Owen
. Seaman
Rio Terry Cambell
Walker Cole
Beckham Scholes Gerrard
Rooney Kane
Forget players from past Foden isnt above Sterling who is from same gen. Sterling been the Eng player under whatever success Southgate got. Sterling should be in
The Shearer disrespect is so stupid man. Kane is lauded as incredible on here and shearer is still miles ahead for PL goals!
All for varied opinions as long as there’s still some sense involved
Now appoint SGE, play Charlton holding mid, and crash out in the ro16.
Lineker not getting a shout is mental in my opinion.
Also as a city fan foden and Walker don't get in the team yet. The most amazing thing Walker has done is cause a debate of someone being potentially better for england and in the prem than Gary Neville.
In terms of midfield its gazza and gerrard for me
Players who get in on the left wing ahead of Foden: Barnes, Mcmanaman, Sterling, Rashford, Grealish, Joe Cole, Le Tissier, and (depending on criteria) Ryan Giggs.
Front 2 should absolutely be Shearer and Rooney. Kane and Rooney wouldn't work because Kane drops too deep. Need someone who sits as a striker.
Buvey is cooked he said he think jude bellingham should be in the team now 😂😂
So Im 50 yo. From the players I have seen, I would personally pick
Kane Rooney
Barnes--Robson--Gascoigne--Beckham
A.Cole--Adams--Ferdinand (Moore)--G. Neville
Shilton
Rooney over Shearer for all-round ability.
Barnes was the best dribbler of the ball I've ever seen.
Beckham and G. Nev for the synergy. Best right sided I've seen.
If u would allow me Moore lol I've never seen Moore play live but I've watch many full games from the 66 70 World. If not, then Ferdinand is perfectly acceptable.
Defense speaks for themselves.
edit: I completely disagree wth McKola about Gascoigne. That lad was incredible during Italia 90. Most naturally talented English alongside Rooney.
The level of disrespect to John Barnes in this video was shocking.
How come Rory was so apologetic to Flav for mentioning Sol Campbell??
If you included the ones you havent seen then the team just has to be the 66 world cup winning team.
Just started the video. If I hear Kyle Walkers name even being mentioned you’re all dead to me.
I knew it. Dead to me. 🤦♂️🤦♂️
This should be a quick video. Just pick the 1966 team
They made it about players in their lifetime to avoid this very thing
Not entirely. George Cohen wasn’t better than Kyle Walker. Martin Peters wasn’t better than Paul Gascgoine and Roger Hunt wasn’t better than Harry Kane
Very quick to dismiss sterling on the left which I think is disappointing. A player who was integral to two very successful England tournaments and also one of the best club sides of all time.
I reckon the only non-negotiables are Barnes, Rooney, Gascoine and Ashley Cole.
Bobby Charlton, greatest ever sportsman that has ever lived, some statement.
Muhammad Ali, Jesse Owens, Usain Bolt, Michael Phelps, Steve Redgrave, Lionel Messi, Cristiano, Tiger Woods, Johnny Wilkinson might all have a little something to say about that.
John Barnes is better than both Foden, Joe cole on the left
Sterling is better than Foden and Joe cole on the left
Put more dumb stipulations in. You had to see them live in a stadium, you had to be sober, all defenders names begin with a D, no blonde players allowed etc.
Buvey is all over the place. Anytime anyone brings up a player he says "Never did anything for England" - which is true of almost every player they are talking about btw since they decided to only include player's they have seen - yet it comes to Foden and starts reeling off his domestic and European trophies with City 🥴
Adams has to be in there & Campbell, side note the Shearer disrespect has to be trolling if not I’m lost for words
Why is Hugh Wizzy in the thumbnail?
to get views
@@mahkimahkila6396 Hugh Wizzy ain't more of a draw than the rest of The Club😂😂
@@blirt1653 considering everyone spent the entire time he wasn't on the kick off spamming the chat with "where's Hugh??"
I'd say he is
don't ask questions if you don't want the answers
@@mahkimahkila6396 The Club realise because they've changed the thumbnail? Genuine error from them, genuine comment from me. Only thing strange here is the attitude you demonstrate in your comment lol.
I think a lot of the debate is lost by removing anyone they hadn't seen/watched. Buvey was right, it just became a 50/50 debate between the 'golden generation' and the current team. We all know that a large number of the 1966 team get in.
Rory saying don’t go off of moments for England then does exactly that for Gazza. 😂😂
Nobody would ever say Ashley Cole in German, Spain or France mates
You say this isn’t based on England performances just the best English players then you put gascoigne in for England performances. Gerrard, Lampard and scholes achieved so much more. What did genuinely gascoigne achieve in his career? Also if we’re basing it on England performances Harry Maguires in.