@@MB_EDC I camp and hunt, so generally always have a reasonable excuse even for my fixed blades. As if writing on a blade makes it a “zombie” knives. Remove the writing and it’s legal. Just plain stupidity.
@@devilchild8811 Having looked at the legislation, again, I think that the ban is about a particular type of knife, plus any image or writing that glorifies violence. In the case of some knives, removing the writing does return them to a semblance of a normal knife, but some others don't appear to have any practical functional features.
Lets be honest, uk knife law doesnt make a bit of difference to law breaking. Unless you want to criminalise a 50 year old white bloke who owns a lock knife
@@MB_EDC If you are aware of the WEF and their plan for 2030, the fact that our PM and other Western countries have signed up to it, you'll know the real reason for much of what's being pushed today.
I understand. TBH we feel the same about all of the guns in the US! We have to remember that despite common ancestors our cultures have developed differently.
Although you make some valid comments, having a knife that looks aggressive is a matter of opinion, and has absolutely no bearing on whether the knife is legal or not not legal to be carried. Please do your job properly if you’re going to offer advice stop making up, information that is nonfactual. You do the knife communities no favours whatsoever. Apart from that, for our American friends, you put it very basically which may be a good thing for them.
The agressive-looking knife blades is about acceptability rather than law, agreed and is definitely subjective. I try ro be sensitive to the people around me especialy in the office where I work. Whilst not a legal requirement it helps to prevent knife bans in the office where I work....It is reasonable advice to have a knife appropriate to you location......
@jasonroper7154 I am not a Texan, but I believe it is still illegal to own or carry a "bowie" knife in Texas. I remember this being pointed out as a supreme example of irony, considering the role of James Bowie in Texas history.
Hi Ron. We will not go back to citizens having guns here. I am happier knowing that the proper around me don't have guns. We have a different history/culture here in the UK. The knife laws are a pain for knife collectors. There are still many great knives that we can carry.
@@MB_EDC I am not sure, but around the time of the ban on the "curved blades", a leading martial artist expressed the view that some of the weapons/tools were banned, not because of their functional usefulness, but because of their purported association with "Ninjas". Rather similar to the logic of banning "zombie" knives, this ban was trying to counter the fascination with stealth weapons. Clearly, the larger sickle and chain weapons aren't easy to hide and are probably nearly as dangerous to the potential user as to any opponent or victim, but weighted chains can be used in a variety of ways and are relatively easy to conceal, so I can see some logic behind the bans. Making them illegal to even own in one's home seems like over-kill. There are three categories at present: 1) Legal to own and to carry without needing a reason 2) Legal to own and to transport - but with good reason 3) Outright ban, with the possible exception of licenced martial artists and museums in some instances. Perhaps there should be another category 3a) A category which allows a private individual some of the leeway granted to martial artists and museums, where the items have to be very secure when left unattended - similar to Firearms regulations - and where there are very strict penalties for carrying or transportation, i.e; a very narrow interpretation of what is a reasonable excuse. So, "taking it to show a mate" would not work, while "donating it to the museum" would. In this regard, I recall being sad that I had missed an exhibition of Shuriken-Jutsu at the Royal Armouries. The Sensei had brought historical examples from Japan and both lectured and demonstrated and allowed audience members to try their skills. And this was in the UK where Shuriken are generally banned. (In this context, "Shuriken" refers to a range of throwing spikes and blades and not just to "throwing stars" per se.)
@@MB_EDC I absolutely agree. While I don't want some idiot carrying some "ninja" sword walking down my street, I do not think that owning an antique sword should be criminalised. I wonder if some of the antique weapons that have been banned have ever actually been used criminally? Knuckledusters were relatively common, but I don't recall ever hearing of a Trench Knife (with knuckleduster grip) being used in a fight. Of course, such a knife may have been used before the ban and even before I would have been aware of it. (I was born in 1955). I can see the danger of easily carried items, such as hidden spikes in a Kubotan, but has anyone really carried Kusarigama or similar weapons in the UK?
I got stopped by the police walking past Glasgow Central railway station had a crowbar and screwdriver and hammer Stanley's knife i was going to an emergency job as an joiner i couldn't get any parking near my job i explained to the police i was going to an emergency job i showed them my works ID and the job on my PDA and told them i couldn't get a parking space the police women said that she wants to charge me for having weapons but the police man said next time keep them in a tool bag Alec from Scotland
It is interesting that it still comes down to the enforcement by individual police officers. The toolbag is a good idea - I have said the same to my son who is an electrician. My understanding was that if needed for work - and you were working!! it should not be an issue... It would be interesting to get the view from one of the legal channels - like Blackbelt Barrister...
*7:28** Just as Sikhs can carry a blade for religious reasons, shouldn't Christians reclaim their right to carry a sword for religious reasons? As Britain is a Christian nation and does it not state in the Bible - Luke 22:36 that Jesus said "Sell your cloak and buy a sword."? If taken to court, could one swear on the Bible and use said Bible as evidence to support their right of claim? Shouldn't one also buy a cloak, then sell it to buy a sword therefore following Jesus's words to the letter?*
@twsbibanghorn7343. Firstly, this is a misuse of the text and takes it out of context. In wider context it is quite clear that both Jesus and the early Christians rejected violence entirely. Secondly, Jesus also said "Those who live by the Sword will die by the Sword"! To be more practical, although Sikhs can carry a Kirpan and Scots in full dress may have a Sgian Dubh, this does not permit either to carry a full sized sword in a public place or down the main street. I am not a Sikh, nor a lawyer, but I would think that they might be able to wear a sword at the Gurdwara for religious purposes - e.g.; for a wedding, etc. but they would not be able to go to the local shop or pub whilst still wearing it.
@@MB_EDC I am not a lawyer, but I doubt that "I've got this sword for ceremonial purposes, Gov." would be a defence if I was going down my street with my Katana. The Sikh Kirpan that is permitted in the UK is a "ceremonial" weapon in the sense that it is not a full sized sword or even knife. A sword, ceremonial or not, would be OK on private premises, but not in public, unless for a very good reason.
I always feel deprived that I cannot carry a Leatherman in the UK. Another tool that is often overlooked is the Swiss Card by Victorinox - designed to go in the wallet. The blade in it is tiny and the handle quite flimsy, however technically it is a fixed blade and would therefore be illegal.
@@stephencooper315 I get by without a Leatherman most days. I do have a Swiss card on my work bag, which should be OK. Everyday I carry a midnight manager and another shiny knife. Usually another Victorinox
Of course! The social issues underlying knife crime is the issue and if knives are banned the criminal elements will use hammers or other tools. Any tool can be a weapon.
I wouldn’t call the knives I carry “weapons” they are useful tools. In fact I mainly carry Swiss Army knives which have non locking blades and useful tools such as scissors and screwdrivers
I have allways carried a knife... in mexico ... since a young age ..now 54 n carry what i like i dont get out in public though and do things to get searched or arrested ... in mexico 😮
Very interesting video. There’s a pull both directions in every country between liberty and tyranny. With our country divided into state, laws in some states are very similar to yours and some are much less restrictive. Great job 👏
Very good video and thanks for explaining the UK knife laws in a fun way, I really liked the quiz part. 👍Although the knife laws aren't as strict where I live in Canada, there are still many similarities between us. Under our Criminal Code: Prohibited Weapons act lists several of the same knives/weapons as does in the UK. However, we are not really restricted to any blade length or locking mechanisms aside from what's specifically on the Prohibited Weapons list. The only real trouble is with importing knives into Canada, the CBSA seems to think they make the laws and they've banned many types of knives from import, even though they are not actually on the Prohibited Weapon list. 🙄 However, I fear the day will come soon that our knife laws here will become just as bad as the UK, if not worse...😬
Thanks Dave!!!We have the same issue with our Royal Mail postal service. MOst times they will not accept knives for shipping - even if legal and well packed!!
I'm not sure about a folding saw - or the saw blade on a pocket knife. It would be best to get legal advice about saws and do they count as blades. I would want to make sure I had good reason to carry one in public.
What if someone were to create a knife with a button released detent, in so much as depressing allows it close easier, however the knife is technically a double detent as the knife can be closed without depressing the button so to stay UK legal, it does however take a lot more pressure to close it without pressing the button, but you don't have to press the button to fold the knife. As far as I can tell there's no specific legislation on the strength of the detent, so someone could make that knife it would be UK legal.
It could work but people are very twitchy about having any sort of button or assisted opening. There was a rumour that flippers might be banned - but I have not seen evidence of this yet
@ajuk1 May be OK if it does not lock and does not not automatically open. But I think most police would see the button and consider it assisted opening.
@@ajuk1 If this made the knife harder to close at all, I think it would be unacceptable. Lock knives are unacceptable because they don't fold under pressure - e.g.; against clothing, whereas most conventional folders will be more likely to fold and injure the aggressor and not the victim.
Better than this would be a lock that holds while holding the handle tightly and releases once you don't grip, kind of a dead man lock, should pass the law stipulation as you don't have to press a button to close the knife.
Really good video on the subject. I watched primarily out of curiosity. Here in Texas US, I feel fortunate to be able to own and carry any type of firearm or edged weapon I choose just about anywhere I want.
This ban is not working (apparently) so more bans could be coming. Rather than trying to sort out the social issues that lead to knife crime. Incidentally mainly using kitchen knives, swords or machetes anyway…
Do not surrender the War of Words and Public Image to the other side . Simply using the words Knife Crime or Knife Violence is ceding half the public debate before you start . There is Gang Violence , Drug Violence , Felonious Violence, Domestic Violence, and even Senseless Violence. But NEVER has a Knife self levitate itself out of a knife drawer , display case , storage cabinet, or whatever, then flown across the room , or down the street to stab or slash anyone . Not humor . Brought to you ( UK Knife Owners ) from the American Gun Rights Community. ( Which to a degree also includes Knives , because the Right includes * Arms * , which is inclusive of more than Firearms .)
I live in TX also, if we can carry it, it's all good, but that being said I feel I'm going to prison for four years just watching this, 😂 it hard to believe the knife laws in some places
@@MB_EDC While I think some of the rules are utterly ludicrous, such as the fact that an over 50cm blunt alloy (non-sharpenable) Iaito (practice Katana for Iaido) is technically illegal without a licence, but a razor-sharp straight-edged fake "Samurai Sword" or Ninja Sword can still be on sale, very cheaply in the local market. It seems it is the curve that makes a blade dangerous and not the edge. On the other hand, having restrictions on very quick deploy blades, such as flick knives/switchblades seems to make sense. I believe that some states in the USA forbid switchblades except in the case of disabled persons, i.e.; amputees, who would not be able to open a standard slipjoint with one hand. This sort of nuanced restriction makes sense. I realise I may be seen as over-cautious, but while I would welcome some relaxation, I think that an almost total relaxation of the law would create a situation like the USA with guns. Yes, criminals don't obey the law, but if they get caught with their illegal weapons they are already guilty before they use the weapon, whereas, if we can carry almost anything and esp. if we can justify it in the name of self-defence, then the same freedoms apply to criminals and they can carry weapons with impunity until and unless they use them violently.
@@charleshayes2528 I think that most of the recent laws were a knee jerk reaction to knife crime. Not clearly thought out. I don't think it should be an issue to carry a Swiss army knife with a larger locking blade, or to carry a Leatherman with a locking blade. I do not expect many crimes to be committed with either. But the law is the law and I stick to it.
@@MB_EDC Yes, I absolutely agree on all points. I do think that the laws are too often knee-jerk and illogical and I think that there is very little difference between a SAK with a 4 inch blade and a 3 inch. Alluding to my other recent comment, the govt seem to make a much more rigid distinction between fixed and non-fixed (slipjoint) blades than they used to. Clearly, a lock knife is functionally almost as rigid as a fixed blade and so in govt logic, they come under fixed-blades, even if small. They also seem to think in very simple and non-nuanced ways, so even if your Leatherman's knife blade is a pain to deploy and nowhere near as fast as even a standard slipjoint, they simply see it as a locking blade and that is that. Personally, my very small, about 1 and a half to 2 inch locking blade is safer for me to use, as a disabled person, since I can open it with one hand and don't: Either have to open it with two hands - which requires me to sit to be safe - and then walk with an open blade to where I need to go; Or go to the item I am working on and try to open my folder with two hands and risk losing my balance with an open knife. In that respect, and that respect alone, I would prefer to live in those US states that are sensible enough to allow nuance in their laws. So, as I said previously, switchblades, although otherwise banned, are permitted to those whose disabilities would prevent from using slipjoint knives. Such a law requires nuance, though, from the local police as well as from legislators and I know that our plods have been guilty of confiscating perfectly legal knives in perfectly safe environments (i.e.; not at the Pub, Football match, Court or School etc.) Sadly, I have lost most of my confidence with the boys in blue, having experienced some who were little more than warrant-card carrying gangsters in attitude and I certainly have little confidence in govt, where the laws, as well as being knee-jerk, seem to suit certain interests. Countless shotgun crimes, no ban on shotguns, a few crimes with so-called "Samurai Swords" and a virtual blanket ban on "curved" blades. Anyhow, I am beginning to repeat myself, a dangerous sign, so I will go.
It is very difficult in these anti-knife times. I try to stay within the law and make sure I have a valid reason to carry something other than a slip joint knife.
Great carry! I rarely buy locking knives these days as I can't legally carry them - so doesn't seem much point to have many... I am a foster carer - so I have to be extra careful not to get into trouble..... Not that I would really as I am in my 60s...🤣
I am very cynical about the "My First Victorinox" it is essentially"The Walker" which they discontinued last year and was half the price. Despite the rounded tip it still has a sharp blade (or could be sharpened) and as you say the saw is very capable of seeing through a finger!! I still think suitable for kids though, they need to learn to use basic tools...
I respect your chanel, however this has been done hundreds of times by many. Have you heard of black belt Barrister? A qualified legal professional. Theres also much details, currently up to date on the government home office page. Good to keep this in perspective though, many of us collectors dont want things to get worse 👍
Yes I recommended Black Belt Barrister as an authority on this stuff in the video description. I just did the video because a lot of my viewers, many from the US, do not understand the regulations. So I read up on them and tried to explain the rules in simple terms. I referenced the home office site in the description as well.
Tbh technically the Leatherman and opienal are fully"legal" as they are just slipjoints depending on blade length obviously. However their locking mechanism is optional and down to how you decide to use it so they are in a kind of grey area legally. I've never seen anyone get charged with using a Leatherman apart from vandalism and being equipped to steal as they were a known shoplifter.
I do not believe it is down to whether you use the lock or not. You would have to remove the locking mechanism to make them legal carry - without a specific reason. I think it depends on the context that you are carrying/using the item and of course in most cases no-one will know what you are carrying - unless there is cause to search you....
@@michaelplank8966 The criminals don't have guns either, because they're not available. Which is why our murder rate is so much lower than the USA where I assume you're from. 6 times higher murder rate per capita in the USA, great job protecting yourselves with all those guns, seems to be working great for you out there..
Opinel are a grey area. It doesn’t automatically lock when you open it. You have to manually turn the collar. Therefore you could just not turn it and it wouldn’t be a locking knife.
It's not a grey area, it is not legal everyday carry as it can be locked. To make it legal you would have to remove the lock and carry it without the lock mechanism installed. This is easily done. Opinel sell non-locking versions of some of the knife sizes. Interestingly they tend to beer more expensive!!!
@@MB_EDC it’s a sad state of affairs when there debate over a 3 inch knife being illegal if it locks it not when case law has stated that carrying a six inch screwdriver in your pocket is perfectly fine as it’s not a “blade”, and an actual dull butter knife got the bloke a couple of years inside. The police/cps/judges should be ashamed.
What a great video! Thank you! How interesting. In the United States, knife laws vary from location to location, which makes it difficult to ever know that your knife is legal. Unless you are in an area where you are familiar with the laws.
Thanks Anne. There is a level of knife crime here in the UK (Mainly between young males) which scares a lot of people and has led to this widespread anti-knife feeling.
*As Britain is a Christian nation and does it not state in the Bible - Luke 22:36 that Jesus said "Sell your cloak and buy a sword."? If taken to court, could one swear on the Bible and use said Bible as evidence to support their right of claim? Shouldn't one also buy a cloak, then sell it to buy a sword therefore following Jesus's words to the letter?*
I have heard that - but not seen definitive evidence on it either way...yet. I have a couple of flippers, and do carry them sometimes - but I am unlikely to be subjected to a random stop and search and probably would not take them into a city pub or bar. I try to select my daily carry knife/knives to be appropriate for my day.
They would be wrong, plain and simple. It's not AUTOMATIC, the button part of the legislation relates specifically to automatic knives. There's no spring or mechanism causing the blade to deploy. You're simply pushing the blade open. It's completely clear. If an officer made this mistake (police are human too, mistakes happen all the time), it would be for the court to correct them, assuming the police didn't correct themselves in the interim.
Great video ! Just wondering what your opinions are for a higonokami knife as an edc, blade is less than 3inch but has a tab to open which doubles as a hand operated lock, i assume it isnt legal as an edc and cant be bothered to appeal at a court to see if it is, just curious on anyones opinion, cheers
My understanding is that it depends on if there is a locking mechanism that must be released befor eclosing the knife. If it is a friction folder with an extended tang ( e.g. Svord) but no specific locking mechanism - then it should be OK. I am not a legal expert though...
A saw is a saw not a knife. Otherwise pruning saws would also be illegal as would conventional saws, Japanese saws, etc…, but there is nothing said about that?
@martinriley106 I am not sure, but apart from historical changes where swords as open carry simply went out of fashion, most restrictions on blades - in particular - seem to have come in with the Offensive Weapons legislation of the 1950s and swordsticks were probably still legal pre-WW2. The author, G.K. Chesterton certainly carried one and he died in 1936. I also know that really cheap and clunky Indian swordsticks were still on sale from Oriental Curio shops, alongside really shoddy chrome-plated Kukri, in the late 1960s and early 1970s. That doesn't mean they were legal carry at that time, but they were not illegal to own.
@@MB_EDC It is the pointyness that matters - given that the length of the blade can include the ricasso (the blunt bit near the hinge on a folder) so a 4 inch screwdriver might be illegal where a sub-3" edged blade would not. Certainly, the rules about locking blades and which used to permit fixed blades up to a certain length - such as Scout sheath knives - were premised on the ability to penetrate, since a slipjoint folder is more likely to, well . . . fold esp. if used against typical British winter clothing!
The law applies to blades, and a saw is most certainly a blade. Note it's not illegal to own a saw, it's simply illegal to carry it in public without good reason (assuming it's >3inch or doesn't fold). Nothing at all wrong with owning one for use at home, or bringing one with you to a place where you need to use it, you just can't walk around with a saw on your hip as your daily carry. Nothing difficult about this one.
The rumours are that some knives have been confiscated because they are longer than 5" from handle to tip - but I can't fully confirm this and the law clearly states cutting edge. Many sites ( including police sites) just refer to blade length.
If there can be an exemption for so called "religious purposes" 🙄, there can be an exemption for those of us who just want a practical locking pocket knife that won't accidentally close on our own fingers! Some UK laws are seriously crass.
Honestly although I'm a libertarian I still feel that our laws do make sense given what they are designed to do, which is to prevent someone carrying something with which they can easily stab someone. Stabbing someone with a slipjoint, especially a spearpoint blade like on a SAK, would be very tricky and you'd run the risk of it closing on your fingers instead. The laws in Germany are however a bit contradictory. They are allowed to carry locking blades, provided that they are not one-handed opening. Presumably the reasoning behind that being that you can't quickly deploy a locking blade which is to all intents and purposes a fixed blade when the blade is locked open, if you have to use 2 hands to open it. Yet they may carry fixed bladed knives, with a max. blade length of 12cm. That doesn't make sense to me as the fixed blade is even quicker to deploy and use than the one-handed opening locking knife.
It is a very emotive and difficult topic to discuss with non-EDC non-knife collectors. I would like to know the range of knives used in knife crime. I don't believe they would include Leatherman multi tools with locking blades or Victorinox 111mm knives with locking blades - both of which are safer to use.
P.S. You have some nice knives there. I too own the Bokerplus Atlas, also the military issue version of your Trailmaster. If you're thinking about getting a Spyderco I'd recommend the Urban. It's halfway in blade length between the UKPK and the Squeak so I think it's a good practical size.
Hi, Mark This is very interesting. I wonder how many families have fathers and granddads who brought back souvenirs from the Pacific theatre and who don't realise that the old Japanese Sword in the attic might be technically illegal? I still have a Katana with "Gunto" furniture, which I used, rarely, when I "played" Kendo in the 1970s. Thankfully, although I no longer have my Kendo licence/membership card, the blade is almost certainly well over 100 years old. One issue that is not addressed, I think, either by you or Blackbelt Barrister, is the issue of "carrying" tools and weapons. While some Americans like pocket clips that give them very quick access to their knives, this runs counter to the spirit of UK law. So, while a Chef has a good reason to take his knife or knives to work, those knives must be transported in a knife roll, which must be tied and secured, for example, in a bag or other container. Similarly, a roofer might legitimately use a large fixed blade knife at work, but that doesn't mean he can wear it on his belt whilst travelling to the job, even if he does wear it while at work. Instead, the knife should be carried so that it is not immediately accessible, either to the owner or anyone else. The ban against switchblades/flick knives and other quick deploy weapons is based precisely on their speed of deployment, so a knife - of any kind - that is easier to deploy is more likely to raise an issue. This is why I think that flippers and one-handed opening knives might be or become restricted, simply because they are relatively fast and do not require two hands to open and close. Over the last several decades, I have bought a number of knives, ranging from EDC slipjoints, to lock knives, Kukris and antique blades, from high street shops. In almost every case*, I have ensured that the knife is wrapped and taped and placed into a carrier-bag and then into my rucksack or other bag. I do not unwrap this until I get home, but I immediately remove it from my bag and store it. I also keep the receipt with the knife, so that I can explain that I am simply transporting any such knife from the place of purchase to my home. As such, I find it odd that the police supposedly arrested someone immediately after they purchased a Kukri from an antique dealers. As long as they had the receipt and the knife was secured, so that it could not be used, they should have been able to transport it. The current change in the law that limits postal deliveries and might require people to collect knives from a registered business premises means that more people will find themselves having to transport all sorts of items from such premises to their homes - if merely taking such an item home becomes illegal, then people will no longer be able to buy kitchen knives or garden tools, let alone collectables and antiques. *On one occasion, I had purchased an antique blade whilst on holiday in another city and county and had wrapped it and secured it in the bottom of a haversack which I only used very occasionally. During the holiday, it was secured in our residence. Unfortunately, I came home to a very stressful work situation and put the bag (and knife) aside. The next time I picked up the bag was to use it to carry books and food for a long day supporting a client in the Crown Court. I genuinely forgot the knife was still in my bag and was surprised when it turned up when my bag was searched. This was in the early 90s/pre-9/11 and thankfully, the policewoman on duty believed me and returned the still wrapped knife to me when I left the Court!
Really good point about transporting of knives. My video was to explain the basics of UK knife laws to my overseas viewers. In reality most people will get away with carrying locking knives, leathermen, etc. If they are discrete and people are not acting suspiciously or in place where there are routine searches. I am a foster carer and need to have a clean record - so I tend to be very careful and stick to the law.
@@MB_EDC Hi, Mark, I wasn't disputing that people can carry many items to work if they are discrete. In many ways, that was behind my point and perhaps I didn't make it clear. A friend used to carry his Buck Knife in a belt pouch because he used it all the time while on the Rigs and while camping. This was prior to the clamp down on lock knives and he had no problems. However, I would avoid carrying even a fully legal slipjoint in that way, simply because it would not be "discrete" and because a good pickpocket could possibly get it. As far as I know, the police are more concerned about where you should avoid having even a legal knife than they are with where or how you carry it, so perhaps a belt pouch would be OK, but I tend to be cautious. BTW Thank you. Your video may save me some embarrassment. While I have studiously avoided taking any knife, even my tiniest spyderco folder, into Court premises, I did not know that they were also banned in Hospitals - with the place full of scalpels and bone saws, etc.; who knew? As a disabled retiree my "homes from home" are the Doctor's Surgery and two local hospitals and I have been taking my shoulder bag with me, every time, because it has almost everything I need, such as my Blue Badge, phone and Kindle, but also my SAK and a Gerber Dime, plus my mini Spyderco in my wallet. I shall now have to do a complete deload before my next trip to out-patients.
@@charleshayes2528 I had my midnight manager in my pocket for a recent hospital visit. I had forgotten it was there. Luckily I was OK. I am guessing that Casualty - where there are people coming in off the streets - is the main concern regarding knives.
@@MB_EDC Yep, but I have been in A & E and have taken my bag with me and not thought about my knives at all. I took the bag, a) because it has my keys, etc. b) in case I end up staying in and c) in case there is a long wait and I have something to read. To be honest, though, in all of my recent visits I have been too ill to even think about anything like reading. The problem is, when it is a genuine emergency, it is natural reaction to move as quickly as possible and only grab at essentials without taking time to remove all the EDC items which you won't need.
I carry the police model with the 4 inch blade, but it all depends on how I feel and what I think I want in my pocket. I usually carry the cold steel XL voyager in drop point, but I also always have a small utility knife for little things. I recommend taking a look at the cold steel recon1 in drop point or the SR1 in tanto. Both are kind of small and carry well.
Good luck with that as a guide reason to carry. I'm the end it's also about not acting suspicious, aggressive or being somewhere where you are likely to be searched.
@@MB_EDC the actual section 141&141a wording doesn’t define it though. That’s the point. It just says metal or solid material spikes secured to the foot. Which is what crampons are. The whole thing is a giant mess. Machetes aren’t actually going to to be banned either. Only “zombie style machetes”. Which have their own criteria.
@katyg3873 Good point. There was some talk off machetes bring banned, but I think it's unnecessary as they already can't be carried without good reason...
@@MB_EDC yep. It’s a mess. It’s on purpose too. Even If you just Google it, it takes to the home office website which heavily implies they are banned. Except in the actual legislation 141&141a (which you have to hunt for) they’re not. It was the same during covid. If you actually read the legislation documents, there was no law to stay inside or even wear masks. Yet the government/media pushed it as ‘law’.
@@MB_EDC I’ve just had some clarification on this. Machetes are not illegal, but zombie-style-machetes along with zombie-style knives are now illegal. It’s perfectly legal to own a machete if you have a valid reason (gardening, farming etc)
Ron from Indiana, self-defense is a GOD given right.In Indiana we are a constitution carry state if you can legally own a firearm you can carry it.we are a stand your ground state and are under no obligation to retreat if attacked. I own alot of knives some locking some not they all have there place.Brass knuckle are legally to carry also.
Self defence is a human right. Carrying weapons is not. In many countries, including the UK - we are allowed to defend ourselves. Just not with weapons. With the ban on guns and most offensive weapons there is less need to carry those weapons anyway.
*Luke 22:36 Jesus said "Sell your cloak and buy a sword."? If taken to court, could one swear on the Bible and use said Bible as evidence to support their right of claim? Shouldn't one also buy a cloak, then sell it to buy a sword therefore following Jesus's words to the letter?*
@tdub2888 You're in the place I belong 😂. The phrase on my person relates to the relationship of the living man and the straw man/legal fiction, as a living man I would say I would keep it on me or carry it. We have to think in legalese nowadays and who is _"your/my person"_ and that leads to who are you? Check out Meet your straw man animated short if you haven't already seen it.
@tdub2888 It's not as bad as you imagine. Very few criminals have guns and the penalties are severe of found with one. There is a small amount of knife crime, mainly between young men. UK is a very safe place to live.
Anyone noticed the USA have the most freedom under COVID because of our police did what Australia's police. People would go after them . Own weapons and self defense is a Human Right.
No... It's an amendment right in the US Constitution. We don't need guns in the UK and I feel safer because of it... The culture and history is very different between UK and US
@stewart8127 But it only applies in the US.... Not UK... Also... It's not in the Constitution it's in the Bill of Rights and does not mention being a god-given right.....
What would be the legality of taking something like a SOG powerpint multitool, and grinding some of the tang/cam lock off on the two blades in the tool, so that they no longer lock? The blades would operate like a SAK, whereby there's some tension the blade to stop it swinging around, but the blade would not lock and you could fold it away without pressing anything. Very easy mod to do, and can be done without even disassembling the tool. The blades are also stored on the outside of the tool, not the inside like on a leatherman bond, so they will fold all the way in. Interestingly, leatherman advertises the bond as uk legal, but I don't think it is, because the blade is stored on the inside, so the frame of the tool stops it folding all the way in. Anyway, a modified SOG, to my mind, that would pass the legality test, as they are less than 3inchs long and do not lock. However its a modified tool, and the original tool has locking blades. I wonder how that would be viewed? The tool in question is legal, but the original design isn't? I guess there would have to be test case, and I don't want it to be me!
@@MB_EDC it’s a shame that one can’t ask the police if a modified SOG would be legal. Only way to find out for sure is to carry one, get stopped, see what a judge says if charged. Hardly a good idea. The SOG Powerpint (or powerlitre), modded to make the blade non locking, would be the perfect edc for me. Just want to be sure it’s legal.
@@kristoffscuba5466 Most cops don't even know the ins and outs of these crazy knife laws for a start and unless a judge happens to be a knife collector, I doubt that he will rule in our favour, sadly.
Hi I’m in Birmingham UK. I totally agree with our laws, but you can still do fatal harm with a blade 3 inches or less, even with some of the SAK tools!
Hi Steve, I live near Bromsgrove. I follow the UK laws of course. I don't fully agree with the knife laws. I do not believe that many if any people are stabbed with a 111mm locking SAK or there locking Knife on a leatherman. Most will be much larger knives, tactical knives or most likely cheap kitchen knives. As a dad/grandad I am unlikely to stab anyone. I have always carried a penknife since I was a boy.
I have a friend who got punched in the face by some wanna be black gangsta type. He had his house key in his fist. My friend lost his eye. Can do lots of damage with just about anything. Doesn't mean I should have to suffer for wanting to carry a functional safety knife that locks.
@steveb1972 I just sent the truth you have no laws because of radicall people having ie machetes you have too carry your handgun a 3 inch ist going to work truth
There is no UK knife law. There is no UK law in general. There is English Law, Scots law and Law of NI. All of which are very very different . Please, stop with this UK law nonsense. If you are not understanding this how are you going to get respect for your channel?
I get your point. I explained at the start that I am not a legal expert. This is a summary for my US viewers to explain the key points of Knife law in the UK. To make sure they don't get into trouble. I have given references of where I got the information
@taekwanlew. It is a valid point, but I don't think that the differences apply to all laws across the board. So, there will be laws promulgated and enacted at Westminster which apply across the board. The Dunblane shootings, for example, took place in Scotland but brought about a general change in UK law where there were sweeping changes to laws for firearms. (Northern Ireland is a different and difficult situation, since the law does not normally allow carrying weapons for self-defence, but Ian Paisley carried an automatic pistol during the Troubles.)
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UK knife law is a typical example of people who don't know what they're talking about making laws.
Unfortunately yes. Especially some of the crazy banned weapons that were never a problem!!🤣
@@MB_EDC I camp and hunt, so generally always have a reasonable excuse even for my fixed blades. As if writing on a blade makes it a “zombie” knives. Remove the writing and it’s legal. Just plain stupidity.
@devilchild8811 Agreed!
Like america with guns! 😂😅
@@devilchild8811 Having looked at the legislation, again, I think that the ban is about a particular type of knife, plus any image or writing that glorifies violence. In the case of some knives, removing the writing does return them to a semblance of a normal knife, but some others don't appear to have any practical functional features.
Lets be honest, uk knife law doesnt make a bit of difference to law breaking.
Unless you want to criminalise a 50 year old white bloke who owns a lock knife
This is my issue…context is everything. You already can’t carry zombie knives and the latest changes will affect some collectors….
100% correct. It's more to do with disarming the common citizen, removing all freedoms and choices basically.
@steveclark.. I think it's more too do with being seen to do something fire knife crime - without having to tackle the tougher underlying issues..
@@MB_EDC If you are aware of the WEF and their plan for 2030, the fact that our PM and other Western countries have signed up to it, you'll know the real reason for much of what's being pushed today.
@steveclark.. WEF?
Stop with all the stupid laws whats that little knife going to do with a criminal with a merchity craxy stupid laws
Agreed.
I admire and respect the people of the UK, but the restrictions and laws there are absurd.
I understand. TBH we feel the same about all of the guns in the US! We have to remember that despite common ancestors our cultures have developed differently.
Compared to where Keithrrr? Interested in where you're from that has more sensible laws?
Although you make some valid comments, having a knife that looks aggressive is a matter of opinion, and has absolutely no bearing on whether the knife is legal or not not legal to be carried. Please do your job properly if you’re going to offer advice stop making up, information that is nonfactual. You do the knife communities no favours whatsoever.
Apart from that, for our American friends, you put it very basically which may be a good thing for them.
The agressive-looking knife blades is about acceptability rather than law, agreed and is definitely subjective. I try ro be sensitive to the people around me especialy in the office where I work. Whilst not a legal requirement it helps to prevent knife bans in the office where I work....It is reasonable advice to have a knife appropriate to you location......
The look does count in law. Having the word Zombie on a knife makes it an illegal carry.
I would say: people who stab others with any kind of tool are not legal.
Totally true!!! 😁
Its stupid amnesty for knives. All you need to get a knife from the kitchen.
Agreed.... Banning locking knives is also crazy as must crimes are with kitchen knives...
This was really interesting and informative to watch, I live in the state of Texas and we literally have no knife laws
Crazy I know! Thanks for your comment.
@jasonroper7154 I am not a Texan, but I believe it is still illegal to own or carry a "bowie" knife in Texas. I remember this being pointed out as a supreme example of irony, considering the role of James Bowie in Texas history.
Ron from Indiana, vote for pro knife and gun law makers.Glad we have 2A here.
Hi Ron. We will not go back to citizens having guns here. I am happier knowing that the proper around me don't have guns. We have a different history/culture here in the UK. The knife laws are a pain for knife collectors. There are still many great knives that we can carry.
Excellent video brother. You answered a lot of questions but on. Why does the UK hate ninjas?
All of that Ninja stuff on the list makes no sense. I am not aware of these being a big issue here. The throwing stars maybe…
Legal carry but it depends where you are doing with it or what the officer deams so
Of course... no threatening behaviour - or carrying for defence...
Remember lads.... Leave your hand and foot claws at home when you go out for fish and chips!
Haha! Yes - some of the weapons banned have not been seen outside of a Kung Fu movie.
@@MB_EDC I am not sure, but around the time of the ban on the "curved blades", a leading martial artist expressed the view that some of the weapons/tools were banned, not because of their functional usefulness, but because of their purported association with "Ninjas". Rather similar to the logic of banning "zombie" knives, this ban was trying to counter the fascination with stealth weapons.
Clearly, the larger sickle and chain weapons aren't easy to hide and are probably nearly as dangerous to the potential user as to any opponent or victim, but weighted chains can be used in a variety of ways and are relatively easy to conceal, so I can see some logic behind the bans. Making them illegal to even own in one's home seems like over-kill.
There are three categories at present:
1) Legal to own and to carry without needing a reason
2) Legal to own and to transport - but with good reason
3) Outright ban, with the possible exception of licenced martial artists and museums in some instances.
Perhaps there should be another category
3a) A category which allows a private individual some of the leeway granted to martial artists and museums, where the items have to be very secure when left unattended - similar to Firearms regulations - and where there are very strict penalties for carrying or transportation, i.e; a very narrow interpretation of what is a reasonable excuse. So, "taking it to show a mate" would not work, while "donating it to the museum" would.
In this regard, I recall being sad that I had missed an exhibition of Shuriken-Jutsu at the Royal Armouries. The Sensei had brought historical examples from Japan and both lectured and demonstrated and allowed audience members to try their skills. And this was in the UK where Shuriken are generally banned. (In this context, "Shuriken" refers to a range of throwing spikes and blades and not just to "throwing stars" per se.)
@@charleshayes2528We have to be able to separate collectors/historical weapons from criminal weapons.
@@MB_EDC I absolutely agree. While I don't want some idiot carrying some "ninja" sword walking down my street, I do not think that owning an antique sword should be criminalised.
I wonder if some of the antique weapons that have been banned have ever actually been used criminally? Knuckledusters were relatively common, but I don't recall ever hearing of a Trench Knife (with knuckleduster grip) being used in a fight. Of course, such a knife may have been used before the ban and even before I would have been aware of it. (I was born in 1955).
I can see the danger of easily carried items, such as hidden spikes in a Kubotan, but has anyone really carried Kusarigama or similar weapons in the UK?
@@charleshayes2528 I would love to see the data on that.
I got stopped by the police walking past Glasgow Central railway station had a crowbar and screwdriver and hammer Stanley's knife i was going to an emergency job as an joiner i couldn't get any parking near my job i explained to the police i was going to an emergency job i showed them my works ID and the job on my PDA and told them i couldn't get a parking space the police women said that she wants to charge me for having weapons but the police man said next time keep them in a tool bag Alec from Scotland
It is interesting that it still comes down to the enforcement by individual police officers. The toolbag is a good idea - I have said the same to my son who is an electrician. My understanding was that if needed for work - and you were working!! it should not be an issue... It would be interesting to get the view from one of the legal channels - like Blackbelt Barrister...
*7:28** Just as Sikhs can carry a blade for religious reasons, shouldn't Christians reclaim their right to carry a sword for religious reasons? As Britain is a Christian nation and does it not state in the Bible - Luke 22:36 that Jesus said "Sell your cloak and buy a sword."? If taken to court, could one swear on the Bible and use said Bible as evidence to support their right of claim? Shouldn't one also buy a cloak, then sell it to buy a sword therefore following Jesus's words to the letter?*
I don't think anyone is allowed to carry a sword unless it is for ceremonial purposes.
@twsbibanghorn7343. Firstly, this is a misuse of the text and takes it out of context. In wider context it is quite clear that both Jesus and the early Christians rejected violence entirely. Secondly, Jesus also said "Those who live by the Sword will die by the Sword"! To be more practical, although Sikhs can carry a Kirpan and Scots in full dress may have a Sgian Dubh, this does not permit either to carry a full sized sword in a public place or down the main street. I am not a Sikh, nor a lawyer, but I would think that they might be able to wear a sword at the Gurdwara for religious purposes - e.g.; for a wedding, etc. but they would not be able to go to the local shop or pub whilst still wearing it.
@@charleshayes2528 A very good point!
@@MB_EDC I am not a lawyer, but I doubt that "I've got this sword for ceremonial purposes, Gov." would be a defence if I was going down my street with my Katana. The Sikh Kirpan that is permitted in the UK is a "ceremonial" weapon in the sense that it is not a full sized sword or even knife. A sword, ceremonial or not, would be OK on private premises, but not in public, unless for a very good reason.
@@charleshayes2528 true.
At work (somewhere in Eu) we measure the blade of the scissors starting at the pin which connects each part of the scissor. ♥️🎩
Great video.
Thank you sir! The laws are a mess and generally inadequate at reducing knife crime...
@@MB_EDC I totally agree with you and a lot of my fellow colleagues also.
Have my utmost best regards sir. 🎩
I always feel deprived that I cannot carry a Leatherman in the UK. Another tool that is often overlooked is the Swiss Card by Victorinox - designed to go in the wallet. The blade in it is tiny and the handle quite flimsy, however technically it is a fixed blade and would therefore be illegal.
@@stephencooper315 I get by without a Leatherman most days. I do have a Swiss card on my work bag, which should be OK. Everyday I carry a midnight manager and another shiny knife. Usually another Victorinox
@@MB_EDC Leatherman: Shouldn't it be legal if it is non locking and under 3 inches? In Sweden we have exemptions on multi tools and SAKs
@@twsbibanghorn7343 No exemption here.....that would be too sensible....
My friend was held by armed police for hours, at an airport because he forgot to leave his credit card knife st home..
@@twsbibanghorn7343yes, that IS legal
All of the knives in this video can kill.
Of course! The social issues underlying knife crime is the issue and if knives are banned the criminal elements will use hammers or other tools. Any tool can be a weapon.
@@MB_EDC we need to stop all the hunting for animals with guns also. What kind of world are we living in where people need to carry any weapons.
I wouldn’t call the knives I carry “weapons” they are useful tools. In fact I mainly carry Swiss Army knives which have non locking blades and useful tools such as scissors and screwdrivers
@@Gadgetdad007don't like it ? Don't watch it.
@@Gadgetdad007This one, the real one, not the fantasy land you want to live in, you freak.
I have allways carried a knife... in mexico ... since a young age ..now 54 n carry what i like i dont get out in public though and do things to get searched or arrested ... in mexico 😮
Best not to get arrested in Mexico.... Which part do you live in? I have visited Veracruz/Boca del Rio a few times....
@@MB_EDC ahem 😉😇
@johnfitton3716 Ok.... Understood
Very interesting video. There’s a pull both directions in every country between liberty and tyranny. With our country divided into state, laws in some states are very similar to yours and some are much less restrictive. Great job 👏
Thanks. I learnt a lot researching for this.
Very good video and thanks for explaining the UK knife laws in a fun way, I really liked the quiz part. 👍Although the knife laws aren't as strict where I live in Canada, there are still many similarities between us. Under our Criminal Code: Prohibited Weapons act lists several of the same knives/weapons as does in the UK. However, we are not really restricted to any blade length or locking mechanisms aside from what's specifically on the Prohibited Weapons list. The only real trouble is with importing knives into Canada, the CBSA seems to think they make the laws and they've banned many types of knives from import, even though they are not actually on the Prohibited Weapon list. 🙄 However, I fear the day will come soon that our knife laws here will become just as bad as the UK, if not worse...😬
Thanks Dave!!!We have the same issue with our Royal Mail postal service. MOst times they will not accept knives for shipping - even if legal and well packed!!
I didn't see a folding saw, as long as no lock, ya?
I'm not sure about a folding saw - or the saw blade on a pocket knife. It would be best to get legal advice about saws and do they count as blades. I would want to make sure I had good reason to carry one in public.
What if someone were to create a knife with a button released detent, in so much as depressing allows it close easier, however the knife is technically a double detent as the knife can be closed without depressing the button so to stay UK legal, it does however take a lot more pressure to close it without pressing the button, but you don't have to press the button to fold the knife. As far as I can tell there's no specific legislation on the strength of the detent, so someone could make that knife it would be UK legal.
It could work but people are very twitchy about having any sort of button or assisted opening. There was a rumour that flippers might be banned - but I have not seen evidence of this yet
@@MB_EDC The button would just be for easier closing.
@ajuk1 May be OK if it does not lock and does not not automatically open. But I think most police would see the button and consider it assisted opening.
@@ajuk1 If this made the knife harder to close at all, I think it would be unacceptable. Lock knives are unacceptable because they don't fold under pressure - e.g.; against clothing, whereas most conventional folders will be more likely to fold and injure the aggressor and not the victim.
Better than this would be a lock that holds while holding the handle tightly and releases once you don't grip, kind of a dead man lock, should pass the law stipulation as you don't have to press a button to close the knife.
Really good video on the subject. I watched primarily out of curiosity. Here in Texas US, I feel fortunate to be able to own and carry any type of firearm or edged weapon I choose just about anywhere I want.
Thanks brother. It is not so bad here. With restriction comes ingenuity and we have some amazing slipjoints.
@@dougr5379 are there restrictions in public buildings
So what's next, big stick laws?
They are running out of things to ban.
Ban tree limbs !
( Sarcasm)
This ban is not working (apparently) so more bans could be coming. Rather than trying to sort out the social issues that lead to knife crime. Incidentally mainly using kitchen knives, swords or machetes anyway…
Do not surrender the War of Words and Public Image to the other side . Simply using the words Knife Crime or Knife Violence is ceding half the public debate before you start .
There is Gang Violence , Drug Violence , Felonious Violence, Domestic Violence, and even Senseless Violence.
But NEVER has a Knife self levitate itself out of a knife drawer , display case , storage cabinet, or whatever, then flown across the room , or down the street to stab or slash anyone .
Not humor . Brought to you ( UK Knife Owners ) from the American Gun Rights Community. ( Which to a degree also includes Knives , because the Right includes * Arms * , which is inclusive of more than Firearms .)
@@MB_EDCtypical uk government. When a bann doesn't work... just ban more things 😂
I live in TX also, if we can carry it, it's all good, but that being said I feel I'm going to prison for four years just watching this, 😂 it hard to believe the knife laws in some places
I think because we have virtually no guns. Knife crime has hit the news. I don’t think that many people had the banned weapons anyway
Here in Indiana the only edge weapon you can't carry are ballistic knife and throwing stars.
That seems sensible. I guess we have more knife crime here in UK, because there are almost no guns.
@@MB_EDC While I think some of the rules are utterly ludicrous, such as the fact that an over 50cm blunt alloy (non-sharpenable) Iaito (practice Katana for Iaido) is technically illegal without a licence, but a razor-sharp straight-edged fake "Samurai Sword" or Ninja Sword can still be on sale, very cheaply in the local market. It seems it is the curve that makes a blade dangerous and not the edge.
On the other hand, having restrictions on very quick deploy blades, such as flick knives/switchblades seems to make sense. I believe that some states in the USA forbid switchblades except in the case of disabled persons, i.e.; amputees, who would not be able to open a standard slipjoint with one hand. This sort of nuanced restriction makes sense.
I realise I may be seen as over-cautious, but while I would welcome some relaxation, I think that an almost total relaxation of the law would create a situation like the USA with guns. Yes, criminals don't obey the law, but if they get caught with their illegal weapons they are already guilty before they use the weapon, whereas, if we can carry almost anything and esp. if we can justify it in the name of self-defence, then the same freedoms apply to criminals and they can carry weapons with impunity until and unless they use them violently.
@@charleshayes2528 I think that most of the recent laws were a knee jerk reaction to knife crime. Not clearly thought out. I don't think it should be an issue to carry a Swiss army knife with a larger locking blade, or to carry a Leatherman with a locking blade. I do not expect many crimes to be committed with either. But the law is the law and I stick to it.
@@MB_EDC Yes, I absolutely agree on all points. I do think that the laws are too often knee-jerk and illogical and I think that there is very little difference between a SAK with a 4 inch blade and a 3 inch.
Alluding to my other recent comment, the govt seem to make a much more rigid distinction between fixed and non-fixed (slipjoint) blades than they used to. Clearly, a lock knife is functionally almost as rigid as a fixed blade and so in govt logic, they come under fixed-blades, even if small. They also seem to think in very simple and non-nuanced ways, so even if your Leatherman's knife blade is a pain to deploy and nowhere near as fast as even a standard slipjoint, they simply see it as a locking blade and that is that.
Personally, my very small, about 1 and a half to 2 inch locking blade is safer for me to use, as a disabled person, since I can open it with one hand and don't: Either have to open it with two hands - which requires me to sit to be safe - and then walk with an open blade to where I need to go; Or go to the item I am working on and try to open my folder with two hands and risk losing my balance with an open knife.
In that respect, and that respect alone, I would prefer to live in those US states that are sensible enough to allow nuance in their laws. So, as I said previously, switchblades, although otherwise banned, are permitted to those whose disabilities would prevent from using slipjoint knives. Such a law requires nuance, though, from the local police as well as from legislators and I know that our plods have been guilty of confiscating perfectly legal knives in perfectly safe environments (i.e.; not at the Pub, Football match, Court or School etc.)
Sadly, I have lost most of my confidence with the boys in blue, having experienced some who were little more than warrant-card carrying gangsters in attitude and I certainly have little confidence in govt, where the laws, as well as being knee-jerk, seem to suit certain interests. Countless shotgun crimes, no ban on shotguns, a few crimes with so-called "Samurai Swords" and a virtual blanket ban on "curved" blades. Anyhow, I am beginning to repeat myself, a dangerous sign, so I will go.
It is very difficult in these anti-knife times. I try to stay within the law and make sure I have a valid reason to carry something other than a slip joint knife.
Remember the 70s buck 110 in a belt pouch
Great carry! I rarely buy locking knives these days as I can't legally carry them - so doesn't seem much point to have many... I am a foster carer - so I have to be extra careful not to get into trouble..... Not that I would really as I am in my 60s...🤣
@@MB_EDC dont blame you
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The children’s’ SAK makes me laugh. They’ve taken the point off the blade, but left the very sharp wood saw! 🙄
I am very cynical about the "My First Victorinox" it is essentially"The Walker" which they discontinued last year and was half the price. Despite the rounded tip it still has a sharp blade (or could be sharpened) and as you say the saw is very capable of seeing through a finger!! I still think suitable for kids though, they need to learn to use basic tools...
I respect your chanel, however this has been done hundreds of times by many.
Have you heard of black belt Barrister? A qualified legal professional. Theres also much details, currently up to date on the government home office page.
Good to keep this in perspective though, many of us collectors dont want things to get worse 👍
Yes I recommended Black Belt Barrister as an authority on this stuff in the video description. I just did the video because a lot of my viewers, many from the US, do not understand the regulations. So I read up on them and tried to explain the rules in simple terms. I referenced the home office site in the description as well.
He literally mentioned BBB that's how much attention you paid.
Tbh technically the Leatherman and opienal are fully"legal" as they are just slipjoints depending on blade length obviously. However their locking mechanism is optional and down to how you decide to use it so they are in a kind of grey area legally. I've never seen anyone get charged with using a Leatherman apart from vandalism and being equipped to steal as they were a known shoplifter.
I do not believe it is down to whether you use the lock or not. You would have to remove the locking mechanism to make them legal carry - without a specific reason. I think it depends on the context that you are carrying/using the item and of course in most cases no-one will know what you are carrying - unless there is cause to search you....
MB_EDC is correct. If they can lock, they are not covered by the exemption. Whether you choose to use the lock is irrelevant.
So the government dont want you to depend yourselves madness carry a handvgunand protect yourselves
Guns are not really needed here as so few people have them.
@@MB_EDC exept criminals do you feel safe I wouldn't
We can defend ourselves
Agreed.
@@michaelplank8966 The criminals don't have guns either, because they're not available. Which is why our murder rate is so much lower than the USA where I assume you're from. 6 times higher murder rate per capita in the USA, great job protecting yourselves with all those guns, seems to be working great for you out there..
Opinel are a grey area. It doesn’t automatically lock when you open it. You have to manually turn the collar. Therefore you could just not turn it and it wouldn’t be a locking knife.
It's not a grey area, it is not legal everyday carry as it can be locked. To make it legal you would have to remove the lock and carry it without the lock mechanism installed. This is easily done. Opinel sell non-locking versions of some of the knife sizes. Interestingly they tend to beer more expensive!!!
@@MB_EDC yes but again the law isnt clear. It just says “which locks”. Opinels only lock if you move the collar.
I would not risk carrying one without good reason
@@MB_EDC it’s a sad state of affairs when there debate over a 3 inch knife being illegal if it locks it not when case law has stated that carrying a six inch screwdriver in your pocket is perfectly fine as it’s not a “blade”, and an actual dull butter knife got the bloke a couple of years inside. The police/cps/judges should be ashamed.
@katyg3873 Agreed...
What a great video! Thank you! How interesting.
In the United States, knife laws vary from location to location, which makes it difficult to ever know that your knife is legal. Unless you are in an area where you are familiar with the laws.
Thanks Anne. There is a level of knife crime here in the UK (Mainly between young males) which scares a lot of people and has led to this widespread anti-knife feeling.
Hi! A large sword is legal in the UK but must also be forged, i.e. made using traditional methods.
Cool, thanks! Good to know....
Modern swords are also granted an exemption for sporting activities (e.g. fencing or HEMA.)
@ThomasD66 That makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.
*As Britain is a Christian nation and does it not state in the Bible - Luke 22:36 that Jesus said "Sell your cloak and buy a sword."? If taken to court, could one swear on the Bible and use said Bible as evidence to support their right of claim? Shouldn't one also buy a cloak, then sell it to buy a sword therefore following Jesus's words to the letter?*
@@twsbibanghorn7343 Interesting point of law - but I would not want to risk my freedom for it....
Brilliant video, mate! 👊
Thanks Steely! Much appreciated. I ejoyed looking this stuff up.
Who else is a worried about some of the info that Black Belt has given due to his oaths to the legal institutions
Sorry I have no idea what point you are making....😁
@@MB_EDC Don't lawyers etc have to make public and private oaths therefore beholden and their clients are very low on the scale?
Hard to write as comments disappear
@@twsbibanghorn7343 They work within the law to the benefit of their clients....
@@twsbibanghorn7343 I can see you comments...
The knife laws of England are, quite frankly, ridiculous! We should stop asking for consent!
This is actually what most people want. I don't agree with all of it, but they are law.
Depending on the Police-person flippers may be classified the same way as buttons 😢
I have heard that - but not seen definitive evidence on it either way...yet. I have a couple of flippers, and do carry them sometimes - but I am unlikely to be subjected to a random stop and search and probably would not take them into a city pub or bar. I try to select my daily carry knife/knives to be appropriate for my day.
They would be wrong, plain and simple. It's not AUTOMATIC, the button part of the legislation relates specifically to automatic knives. There's no spring or mechanism causing the blade to deploy. You're simply pushing the blade open. It's completely clear. If an officer made this mistake (police are human too, mistakes happen all the time), it would be for the court to correct them, assuming the police didn't correct themselves in the interim.
Great video ! Just wondering what your opinions are for a higonokami knife as an edc, blade is less than 3inch but has a tab to open which doubles as a hand operated lock, i assume it isnt legal as an edc and cant be bothered to appeal at a court to see if it is, just curious on anyones opinion, cheers
My understanding is that it depends on if there is a locking mechanism that must be released befor eclosing the knife. If it is a friction folder with an extended tang ( e.g. Svord) but no specific locking mechanism - then it should be OK. I am not a legal expert though...
A tape measure is not great for this sort of measurement as the “hook” moves (admittedly only about a mm)😊
@@ianbusby2845 Agreed. It would not be appropriate in a legal situation 😁
A saw is a saw not a knife. Otherwise pruning saws would also be illegal as would conventional saws, Japanese saws, etc…, but there is nothing said about that?
Agreed. This is not clear. The blade does not need to be sharp.
@martinriley106 I am not sure, but apart from historical changes where swords as open carry simply went out of fashion, most restrictions on blades - in particular - seem to have come in with the Offensive Weapons legislation of the 1950s and swordsticks were probably still legal pre-WW2. The author, G.K. Chesterton certainly carried one and he died in 1936. I also know that really cheap and clunky Indian swordsticks were still on sale from Oriental Curio shops, alongside really shoddy chrome-plated Kukri, in the late 1960s and early 1970s. That doesn't mean they were legal carry at that time, but they were not illegal to own.
@@MB_EDC It is the pointyness that matters - given that the length of the blade can include the ricasso (the blunt bit near the hinge on a folder) so a 4 inch screwdriver might be illegal where a sub-3" edged blade would not. Certainly, the rules about locking blades and which used to permit fixed blades up to a certain length - such as Scout sheath knives - were premised on the ability to penetrate, since a slipjoint folder is more likely to, well . . . fold esp. if used against typical British winter clothing!
@charleshayes2528 That makes sense.... More than the knife laws anyway...
The law applies to blades, and a saw is most certainly a blade. Note it's not illegal to own a saw, it's simply illegal to carry it in public without good reason (assuming it's >3inch or doesn't fold). Nothing at all wrong with owning one for use at home, or bringing one with you to a place where you need to use it, you just can't walk around with a saw on your hip as your daily carry. Nothing difficult about this one.
5:30 thats the part we want to know about, it says the cutting edge on the Uk website
The rumours are that some knives have been confiscated because they are longer than 5" from handle to tip - but I can't fully confirm this and the law clearly states cutting edge. Many sites ( including police sites) just refer to blade length.
@@MB_EDC thanks for the quick reply, Ill be pragmatic
3in max the whole blade
If there can be an exemption for so called "religious purposes" 🙄, there can be an exemption for those of us who just want a practical locking pocket knife that won't accidentally close on our own fingers! Some UK laws are seriously crass.
I find it best not to look for sense here......
Honestly although I'm a libertarian I still feel that our laws do make sense given what they are designed to do, which is to prevent someone carrying something with which they can easily stab someone. Stabbing someone with a slipjoint, especially a spearpoint blade like on a SAK, would be very tricky and you'd run the risk of it closing on your fingers instead.
The laws in Germany are however a bit contradictory. They are allowed to carry locking blades, provided that they are not one-handed opening. Presumably the reasoning behind that being that you can't quickly deploy a locking blade which is to all intents and purposes a fixed blade when the blade is locked open, if you have to use 2 hands to open it. Yet they may carry fixed bladed knives, with a max. blade length of 12cm. That doesn't make sense to me as the fixed blade is even quicker to deploy and use than the one-handed opening locking knife.
It is a very emotive and difficult topic to discuss with non-EDC non-knife collectors. I would like to know the range of knives used in knife crime. I don't believe they would include Leatherman multi tools with locking blades or Victorinox 111mm knives with locking blades - both of which are safer to use.
P.S. You have some nice knives there. I too own the Bokerplus Atlas, also the military issue version of your Trailmaster. If you're thinking about getting a Spyderco I'd recommend the Urban. It's halfway in blade length between the UKPK and the Squeak so I think it's a good practical size.
@simonh6371 Thanks Simon. I appreciate the Soyderco tip too!
So crampons are out then
I think not... As crampons have a specific purpose...
Good info, buddy! Cheers!
Thanks David!
Hi, Mark
This is very interesting. I wonder how many families have fathers and granddads who brought back souvenirs from the Pacific theatre and who don't realise that the old Japanese Sword in the attic might be technically illegal? I still have a Katana with "Gunto" furniture, which I used, rarely, when I "played" Kendo in the 1970s. Thankfully, although I no longer have my Kendo licence/membership card, the blade is almost certainly well over 100 years old.
One issue that is not addressed, I think, either by you or Blackbelt Barrister, is the issue of "carrying" tools and weapons. While some Americans like pocket clips that give them very quick access to their knives, this runs counter to the spirit of UK law. So, while a Chef has a good reason to take his knife or knives to work, those knives must be transported in a knife roll, which must be tied and secured, for example, in a bag or other container. Similarly, a roofer might legitimately use a large fixed blade knife at work, but that doesn't mean he can wear it on his belt whilst travelling to the job, even if he does wear it while at work. Instead, the knife should be carried so that it is not immediately accessible, either to the owner or anyone else. The ban against switchblades/flick knives and other quick deploy weapons is based precisely on their speed of deployment, so a knife - of any kind - that is easier to deploy is more likely to raise an issue. This is why I think that flippers and one-handed opening knives might be or become restricted, simply because they are relatively fast and do not require two hands to open and close.
Over the last several decades, I have bought a number of knives, ranging from EDC slipjoints, to lock knives, Kukris and antique blades, from high street shops. In almost every case*, I have ensured that the knife is wrapped and taped and placed into a carrier-bag and then into my rucksack or other bag. I do not unwrap this until I get home, but I immediately remove it from my bag and store it. I also keep the receipt with the knife, so that I can explain that I am simply transporting any such knife from the place of purchase to my home. As such, I find it odd that the police supposedly arrested someone immediately after they purchased a Kukri from an antique dealers. As long as they had the receipt and the knife was secured, so that it could not be used, they should have been able to transport it. The current change in the law that limits postal deliveries and might require people to collect knives from a registered business premises means that more people will find themselves having to transport all sorts of items from such premises to their homes - if merely taking such an item home becomes illegal, then people will no longer be able to buy kitchen knives or garden tools, let alone collectables and antiques.
*On one occasion, I had purchased an antique blade whilst on holiday in another city and county and had wrapped it and secured it in the bottom of a haversack which I only used very occasionally. During the holiday, it was secured in our residence. Unfortunately, I came home to a very stressful work situation and put the bag (and knife) aside. The next time I picked up the bag was to use it to carry books and food for a long day supporting a client in the Crown Court. I genuinely forgot the knife was still in my bag and was surprised when it turned up when my bag was searched. This was in the early 90s/pre-9/11 and thankfully, the policewoman on duty believed me and returned the still wrapped knife to me when I left the Court!
Really good point about transporting of knives. My video was to explain the basics of UK knife laws to my overseas viewers. In reality most people will get away with carrying locking knives, leathermen, etc. If they are discrete and people are not acting suspiciously or in place where there are routine searches. I am a foster carer and need to have a clean record - so I tend to be very careful and stick to the law.
@@MB_EDC Hi, Mark, I wasn't disputing that people can carry many items to work if they are discrete. In many ways, that was behind my point and perhaps I didn't make it clear. A friend used to carry his Buck Knife in a belt pouch because he used it all the time while on the Rigs and while camping. This was prior to the clamp down on lock knives and he had no problems. However, I would avoid carrying even a fully legal slipjoint in that way, simply because it would not be "discrete" and because a good pickpocket could possibly get it. As far as I know, the police are more concerned about where you should avoid having even a legal knife than they are with where or how you carry it, so perhaps a belt pouch would be OK, but I tend to be cautious.
BTW Thank you. Your video may save me some embarrassment. While I have studiously avoided taking any knife, even my tiniest spyderco folder, into Court premises, I did not know that they were also banned in Hospitals - with the place full of scalpels and bone saws, etc.; who knew? As a disabled retiree my "homes from home" are the Doctor's Surgery and two local hospitals and I have been taking my shoulder bag with me, every time, because it has almost everything I need, such as my Blue Badge, phone and Kindle, but also my SAK and a Gerber Dime, plus my mini Spyderco in my wallet. I shall now have to do a complete deload before my next trip to out-patients.
@@charleshayes2528 I had my midnight manager in my pocket for a recent hospital visit. I had forgotten it was there. Luckily I was OK. I am guessing that Casualty - where there are people coming in off the streets - is the main concern regarding knives.
@@MB_EDC Yep, but I have been in A & E and have taken my bag with me and not thought about my knives at all. I took the bag, a) because it has my keys, etc. b) in case I end up staying in and c) in case there is a long wait and I have something to read. To be honest, though, in all of my recent visits I have been too ill to even think about anything like reading. The problem is, when it is a genuine emergency, it is natural reaction to move as quickly as possible and only grab at essentials without taking time to remove all the EDC items which you won't need.
@@charleshayes2528 I guess that most people are OK if they do not threaten anyone.
Nice, balanced overview. My edc is a 3 inch Spyderco. Brilliant knife.
I recently got a second hand UKPK. I love it!
@@MB_EDC @bobadams7654 I have the spyderco UKEDC salty.
@devilchild8811 love the one handed opening, the thumb "lock" and the shape.
I carry the police model with the 4 inch blade, but it all depends on how I feel and what I think I want in my pocket. I usually carry the cold steel XL voyager in drop point, but I also always have a small utility knife for little things. I recommend taking a look at the cold steel recon1 in drop point or the SR1 in tanto. Both are kind of small and carry well.
I’d never use a leather an anyway!
Not sure what you mean...
@@MB_EDC he meant Leatherman.
@@MPD90 I guess that was it....
Didn't say anything about a large screwdriver.
I think that a large screwdriver will be OK, unless it is being carried as a defensive/offensive weapon.
@@MB_EDC ya it's for opening bear cans
Good luck with that as a guide reason to carry. I'm the end it's also about not acting suspicious, aggressive or being somewhere where you are likely to be searched.
@@MB_EDC English prisons are a county club compared to where I'm from the USA pull a zombie knife in me expect steel in your belly out your spine.
@@stewart8127 You have canned bears! That must annoy them! What do you do with the bears once you get them out of the cans?
Foot claw? So crampons or mini crampons/spikes are illegal? 😂. Nope.
I think foot claws are different to crampons and spikes. If you look at the pictures the ninja foot spikes are much longer.
@@MB_EDC the actual section 141&141a wording doesn’t define it though. That’s the point. It just says metal or solid material spikes secured to the foot. Which is what crampons are. The whole thing is a giant mess. Machetes aren’t actually going to to be banned either. Only “zombie style machetes”. Which have their own criteria.
@katyg3873 Good point. There was some talk off machetes bring banned, but I think it's unnecessary as they already can't be carried without good reason...
@@MB_EDC yep. It’s a mess. It’s on purpose too. Even If you just Google it, it takes to the home office website which heavily implies they are banned. Except in the actual legislation 141&141a (which you have to hunt for) they’re not. It was the same during covid. If you actually read the legislation documents, there was no law to stay inside or even wear masks. Yet the government/media pushed it as ‘law’.
Agreed I found it very frustrating trying to research the recent changes
Machetes are now being banned 😅
No wonder Victorinox are going to produce knife-less Swiss Army Tools.
@@MB_EDC the knife laws are getting out of hand. It won’t be long before sharp kitchen knives are banned even inside your own home.
@@DeepPortalViewer And dull knife is more dangerous than a sharp knife!
@@MB_EDC I’ve just had some clarification on this. Machetes are not illegal, but zombie-style-machetes along with zombie-style knives are now illegal. It’s perfectly legal to own a machete if you have a valid reason (gardening, farming etc)
@@DeepPortalViewer Thanks for the clarification. That makes sense. They can't be carried in public anyway. I'm not sure I have need of one myself...
Ron from Indiana, self-defense is a GOD given right.In Indiana we are a constitution carry state if you can legally own a firearm you can carry it.we are a stand your ground state and are under no obligation to retreat if attacked. I own alot of knives some locking some not they all have there place.Brass knuckle are legally to carry also.
Self defence is a human right. Carrying weapons is not. In many countries, including the UK - we are allowed to defend ourselves. Just not with weapons. With the ban on guns and most offensive weapons there is less need to carry those weapons anyway.
*Luke 22:36 Jesus said "Sell your cloak and buy a sword."? If taken to court, could one swear on the Bible and use said Bible as evidence to support their right of claim? Shouldn't one also buy a cloak, then sell it to buy a sword therefore following Jesus's words to the letter?*
@tdub2888 You're in the place I belong 😂. The phrase on my person relates to the relationship of the living man and the straw man/legal fiction, as a living man I would say I would keep it on me or carry it. We have to think in legalese nowadays and who is _"your/my person"_ and that leads to who are you? Check out Meet your straw man animated short if you haven't already seen it.
@tdub2888 It's not as bad as you imagine. Very few criminals have guns and the penalties are severe of found with one. There is a small amount of knife crime, mainly between young men. UK is a very safe place to live.
@@MB_EDCwe, in UK, can defend ourselves with weapons. We just can't carry them for that purpose.
Anyone noticed the USA have the most freedom under COVID because of our police did what Australia's police. People would go after them . Own weapons and self defense is a Human Right.
No... It's an amendment right in the US Constitution. We don't need guns in the UK and I feel safer because of it... The culture and history is very different between UK and US
@@MB_EDC the Constitution says all rights in it are given to all men by God. Go read it again
@stewart8127 But it only applies in the US.... Not UK... Also... It's not in the Constitution it's in the Bill of Rights and does not mention being a god-given right.....
@@MB_EDC It's in the preamble . Read it again limey
@@MB_EDC Phil Luty disagreed
What would be the legality of taking something like a SOG powerpint multitool, and grinding some of the tang/cam lock off on the two blades in the tool, so that they no longer lock? The blades would operate like a SAK, whereby there's some tension the blade to stop it swinging around, but the blade would not lock and you could fold it away without pressing anything. Very easy mod to do, and can be done without even disassembling the tool. The blades are also stored on the outside of the tool, not the inside like on a leatherman bond, so they will fold all the way in. Interestingly, leatherman advertises the bond as uk legal, but I don't think it is, because the blade is stored on the inside, so the frame of the tool stops it folding all the way in. Anyway, a modified SOG, to my mind, that would pass the legality test, as they are less than 3inchs long and do not lock. However its a modified tool, and the original tool has locking blades. I wonder how that would be viewed? The tool in question is legal, but the original design isn't? I guess there would have to be test case, and I don't want it to be me!
Your modification sounds OK. Not sure about three Bond. It doesn't have a lock as such, but as you say when deployed it cannot close fully..
@@MB_EDC it’s a shame that one can’t ask the police if a modified SOG would be legal. Only way to find out for sure is to carry one, get stopped, see what a judge says if charged. Hardly a good idea. The SOG Powerpint (or powerlitre), modded to make the blade non locking, would be the perfect edc for me. Just want to be sure it’s legal.
@kristoffscuba5466 I think that would be OK...
@@kristoffscuba5466 Most cops don't even know the ins and outs of these crazy knife laws for a start and unless a judge happens to be a knife collector, I doubt that he will rule in our favour, sadly.
@steveclark.. this is true!
Glad i dobro live in UK Police State
We have strict knife and gun laws. It's not a police state!
Hi I’m in Birmingham UK. I totally agree with our laws, but you can still do fatal harm with a blade 3 inches or less, even with some of the SAK tools!
Hi Steve, I live near Bromsgrove. I follow the UK laws of course. I don't fully agree with the knife laws. I do not believe that many if any people are stabbed with a 111mm locking SAK or there locking Knife on a leatherman. Most will be much larger knives, tactical knives or most likely cheap kitchen knives. As a dad/grandad I am unlikely to stab anyone. I have always carried a penknife since I was a boy.
FREAK
I have a friend who got punched in the face by some wanna be black gangsta type. He had his house key in his fist. My friend lost his eye.
Can do lots of damage with just about anything. Doesn't mean I should have to suffer for wanting to carry a functional safety knife that locks.
@@stephenw2045 Agreed.
@steveb1972 I just sent the truth you have no laws because of radicall people having ie machetes you have too carry your handgun a 3 inch ist going to work truth
There is no UK knife law. There is no UK law in general. There is English Law, Scots law and Law of NI. All of which are very very different . Please, stop with this UK law nonsense. If you are not understanding this how are you going to get respect for your channel?
I get your point. I explained at the start that I am not a legal expert. This is a summary for my US viewers to explain the key points of Knife law in the UK. To make sure they don't get into trouble. I have given references of where I got the information
if you're going to be pedantic, it's Laws of England and Wales.
@taekwanlew. It is a valid point, but I don't think that the differences apply to all laws across the board. So, there will be laws promulgated and enacted at Westminster which apply across the board. The Dunblane shootings, for example, took place in Scotland but brought about a general change in UK law where there were sweeping changes to laws for firearms. (Northern Ireland is a different and difficult situation, since the law does not normally allow carrying weapons for self-defence, but Ian Paisley carried an automatic pistol during the Troubles.)
I carry a crossbow at all times as I have the common law right to do so
Good luck with that!!!
This wins the award for most moronic entry in the comment section.
That gives me an idea for a video....😂
@@MB_EDC Oh please do 😂