If you need a locking blade though just use one. It's illegal to carry freely in public, it's not illegal to use one. When I go hunting, I take a large fixed blade knife to deal with my quarry. There is nothing prohibiting you from using one. When I'm going to the shops, I carry a non-locking blade and it's never been an issue and isn't illegal. :/
I couldn't agree more. I have plenty of lovely fixed blade knives that are only just over that length but my little Mora Eldris has a tiny blade but is a wonderful knife with a greate blade and a comfortable handle, safe to use and fits in the pocket beautifully......but it's an illegal blade, MENTAL! The thing that these law makers forget is that if I'm a criminal I don't care about legality so I'll take an illegal knife out with me but as a person that wants an EDC tool, something like the Eldris would be wonderful, even if they want to put a 3inch limit in place
@@lmaoroflcopter okay, so someone that is carrying a knife as a weapon doesn't care what they're carrying. Someone like us that EDC a tool, we do care about the law but the law is silly when the tool is made less useful and more dangerous to the user
I carry a folding locking knife at all times , when I'm out and about . It gets used for allsorts of jobs . Even when I'm wearing just a t shirt , you would never know that I was carrying a knife...... I've only once had to show it for self defence purposes , when some little tough guy thought that he was going to play the big man ..... soon changed his mind... ;-) . I refuse to be put in danger because some official jobsworth type says it's 'illegal' . ...... Always remember people , the police are NOT there to serve you or I !.....
Having heard about this interpretation of UK law sometime last year (i.e. full blade length rather than cutting edge) it made me re-check some of my favourite “UK Legal” carries, which highlighted that the very popular Boker Plus XS could lead to problems if challenged. Very much err on the side of caution now and tend to stick with a Victorinox (or occasionally my Manly Wasp or Twisted Assisted Junzi if a more substantial blade is required). Surely this confusing situation should have been clarified some time ago on official Government sites, ridiculous that it hasn’t been!!
In Germany that was always the interpretation for the blade length.. which kinda makes sense if you think about stabbing.. But thankfully blade length limitations only apply to Fixed Blades here.
@@stevenarmstrong6622 In Germany the laws make zero sense either. You can carry a locking blade, or a non-locking one-handed opening blade, but not a one-handed opening locking blade, so no Leatherman Wave for example, but the Rebar is fine. Yet you can carry a fixed bladed knife up to 12cm blade length I think? The 12cm fixed blade is more readily deployable than the one-handed opening locking knife. Even more absurd, German forces personnel can't carry their issue Soldier 08 off duty, Swiss can.
@@simonh6371 it's not only about deployment, but also about concealment.. same reason why it's relatively easy to get a rifle here, compared to pistols. you won't surprise someone with a fixed blade on your belt.. But with an otf in your pocket it's a different story.
funny thing is the definition of blade is "the flat cutting edge of a knife", so the sharp bit, the law may say one thing but the thing with law is they are perfect with their definitions, they have to be, therefore, the law is wrong sorta because the sharp bit is the blade, the choil and the rest by definition is not part of the blade, you could technically have a 100cm knife (dagger/short sword) but only 3 inches of the tip is sharp and it would be legal by definition
Laws like these either dont prevent crime or they increase it and that is then self-sustaining for the law because then people can say, "Look how bad it is even with these restrictive laws, imagine how bad itd be without the laws," and then the laws never go away.
@@joejones9520 As people have pointed out, criminals will do what they like, but if they are caught with sawn-off, machete, etc. the existing laws will allow them to be arrested. The offensive weapons laws allow that, but they are also intended to try to prevent a law abiding citizen lashing out when provoked. There are plenty of examples of fist fights that would be much worse if the participants had knives. I also wonder how many recent knife deaths were because the assailant was carrying a knife for "self-defence"? I believe that kids caught with knives give fear of knife crime as a reason - just as Americans carry guns because they are afraid of guns. I don't carry a gun because I am not afraid of a neighbour with a gun losing his temper. (Yes, I know there are criminals with guns, but our stats are still way lower than the USA. The idea that some kid got shot just for knocking on the wrong door chills me to the bone - when I was a kid, that was a common game, not a death sentence.) While I do agree that British law is often illogical and inconsistent, I do feel safer knowing that most people are not going to be carrying knives at all and those who do aren't carrying K-Bars or something. Any regulation at all is going to annoy someone, but allowing everyone to carry anything - as some people argue - just makes it easier for the criminals to do so openly.
Ive been plagued with this problem for a while. Carried a viper dan 1 for years. Which the difference between blade lenghth vs cutting edge is enough of a difference to take it over the limit hence i dont carry it anymore and is now an expensive paper weight 😑
Yes the UK laws around weapons are really dumb. Let me quote an example. My boss a British Army Major bought his own handgun, in Germany. He stored the weapon in a British Army armory. Also in the armory where weapons from 9mm pistols, Sub Machine Guns, Firing Needles (120mm tank gun firing mechanism). He applied to the local police to bring the pistol back to the UK, again storing in the armory. He was denied by the local police chief, but remember he could still order out 60 Main Battle Tanks, guns front, with full ammunition loads on board. The scary thing is with 3d home manufacturing I can print my own gun, no traceability.The politicians have legislated themselves in to irrelevancy.
Controversial, I know: European gun laws and knife carry laws have been steadily dwindling as immigration has risen. I didnt think much of it some 25 years ago, however, studying the timeframes - mass influx of foreigners and close onset of new permanent laws and regulations, dating back since the 70s in my case(not UK) has coencided. Some spasms in prohibition has coencided with news headlined violence. The Rambo1 knife was perfectly legal(very expensive) until a refugee stabbed a mass of people in a confined space. The police deemed the knife as the main threat and the refugee as an individual in need of care.(he also had a long history of mental illness and emotional instability)
I'm an avid knife collector. But I personally, I see no reason whatsoever to carry a knife , unless it's for work. The problem is that it's spoilt by idiot's.
Do NOT live your life sanctioned by useless idiot politicians. If you are a law abiding citizen, exercise your right to freedom. That’s all I’m saying on the matter of stupid laws made by stupid people who only care about grandstanding and being ‘seen’ to do something.
If the government gave a hoot about the Law this legislation wouldnever have been allowed because it undermines vital legal principles. Firstly it is a thought crime ie based upon the (ludicrous) supposition that if you carry a knife it is with the intention of committing a crime. Secondly, you are automatically presumed guilty of that invented "crime" - you cannot appeal it by protesting your innocence of any such crime. When basic principles of Justice are ignored by lawmakers the entire culture has a serious problem - with the criminality of its government and the corruption of its judiciary.
interesting. originally from the UK, now in the US. i was just in a hardware store down the street from my cabin in north georgia buying a firearm (handgun) and there are tons of families wondering around looking at shotguns, rifles, powertools. there is one little kid, maybe 8-10 ? with his siblings and parents, open carrying a 6 inch bowie knife like it was a matchbox car. different world. safe to say, in north georgia we dont have a "knife" or "gun" problem. we go about our days risk free from "yobs" as they dont exist here, darwin takes care of the issue.
It's crazy the differences between the two countries. I feel common sense left the UK when Blair took over. Mainly it's personal responsibility. Most Britons are happy to be spoon fed by the government. I'd move to the US tomorrow if I could. Out in the sticks where I am we have little to no issues, but, Manchester, Birmingham, Liverpool, London and may be Nottingham make up most of the government figures in the UK now. Scotland, Wales and N Ireland have similar issues but at much lower levels. I guarantee most of these wannabe gangsters would think twice of mugging somebody if they know they were carrying too. The government is only interested in dealing with the knee jerk issues 'let's ban knives rather than dealing with lawlessness, fatherless homes and poverty'. I follow the new on the US quite a bit and see you have similar issues there 'Let's ban AR15s rather than dealing with negative cultures, mental health issues and the root course' The world is going down hill quickly. Luckily we countryfolk get to stay at arms length. Hope you're well Paul and had a cracking Chrimbo & NY
@@MoorlanderEDC there are some crazy gov types in DC. doubt AR15s will get banned etc, too many in common use, which is part of the constitution, 'common use'. it would be like banning transit vans. when i am, you go out in your yard, mag dump an AR15, no cop cars show up. sheriff is only 2 miles down the road. gun shots are normal, crime is no where.
@@MoorlanderEDC BBB used terms of Zombie knife to implicate a legal carry can't have serrations on . I put it to him that serrations were needed on general purpose blades for a range of tasks, and climbing rope when abseiling,,,but I think there are those in legal areas who take a sneering distaste to teeth/serrations so I defend them wherever, whenever
@@WessexBladesHandMadeKnives He's read the law wrong then lol. Serrations are one defining characteristic of zombie knives but only if other characteristics are present too. A normal serrated balded knife is not a zombie knife. Here is the definition from the Offensive Weapons Act 2019: ''the weapon sometimes known as a “zombie knife”, “zombie killer knife” or “zombie slayer knife”, being a blade with- (i)a cutting edge; (ii)a serrated edge; and (iii)images or words (whether on the blade or handle) that suggest that it is to be used for the purpose of violence'' The ''and'' at the end of (ii) means that ALL THREE characteristics together make something a zombie knife. Because otherwise just a cutting edge too would make all knives zombie knives lol. BBB has gone right down in my estimation, he's clearly barely literate. I won't be watching any of his vids again.
Yes, a karambit is legal to purchase and own in private. There's a list from the government of knives that are just straight up illegal. It's very similar to a lot of countries around the world - www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
So would a full tang knife, non-folding, still be legal to carry, or must it be a folding blade? Would the knife blade ‘material’ that’s continues under the scales still be counted as part of the blade length?
A full tang non-locking knife is perfectly legal to carry if its a chef's knife and you're walking to work... Or a bushcraft knife and you're a bushcraft instructor... Or its a room for your profession. Definitely not if you're out on a Saturday for a few drinks with the boys
You can't possess anything with the intention of protecting yourself, even if that's a teaspoon. We've all got to play this little game that a knife is for anything other than defending yourself
Now... hypothetically speaking, if you were walking down the street and were attacked but happened to find a cosh on the floor, perfectly placed and timed, and you were to pick it up to defend yourself.... that's fine 😆🖖
All my folding knives are under 3 inches blade length, apart from a work 1 , & they are all locking mech , I've had 1 close on me while d.i.y-ing & it was not pleasant. I'm 46 years old & guess how many times I've used a knife to stab someone??
I don't at all like the knife laws or any of the weapons laws in the UK. I live in the US in upstate New York. Not to be confused with the Burroughs comprising New York City. Our knife laws are basically everything goes except switch blades and martial arts weapons and paraphernalia. Oh yea, you can carry a switchblade if you are hunting or fishing. But any length. Locking, fixed blade, folding, concealed or not is ok.
Unpopular opinion I know, but if you brought back the hangman and turned him loose on murderers and attempted murderers again, you'd have a lot less of them and a lot less need for these kinds of laws restricting law abiding citizens from carrying good tools around with them.
Well... there is an argument that the sentencing is too easy. There's very little to deter people from carrying knives. If the punishment was 20 years in prison plus chemical castration, the figures would halve over night
Kind of. There is an official list of 'illegal knives' that are just straight up illegal to own. Switch blades, gravity knives, spiral knives, butterfly knives etc. Outside of that list you can own anything in your own home
I think what makes it more complicated is that it used to say about the folding blade length. If you use the Wayback Machine and go to the page from March 2021 it reads; 'Basic laws on knives It’s illegal to: sell a knife to anyone under 18, unless it has a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62 cm) or less carry a knife in public without good reason, unless it has a folding blade with a cutting edge 3 inches long or less carry, buy or sell any type of banned knife use any knife in a threatening way (even a legal knife)' Then if you look at the same page from April 2022 it reads; 'Basic laws on knives It’s illegal to possess a banned knife or weapon. It’s also illegal to: bring into the UK, sell, hire, lend or give someone a banned knife or weapon carry any knife in public without good reason, unless it has a manual folding blade less than 3 inches long sell a knife to anyone under the age of 18, unless it has a manual folding blade less than 3 inches long use any knife in a threatening way' Now it mentions about the cutting edge so I think this potentially makes this even more complicated. For reference' web.archive.org/web/20210324181550/www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives web.archive.org/web/20220403162733/www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
They need to recognise simply dog walking as a good enough reason to carry an EDC knife. Because with all of these Bulldog attacks, it's borderline impossible to stop one unless you've competed in world's strongest man.
You could argue that if you had a locking knife on you then you’d be more inclined to use it, however, if you want to stab someone or slash someone, obviously a kitchen knife makes far more sense. It’s a shame because I’d love to EDC a Benchmade 940 or a Bugout. Edit: you could easily carry a locked knife, just don’t get caught. I don’t and I wouldn’t advise it but I should imagine people do
Carry a backpack with a steel plate in it. Large blunt stab proof things are good in a knife fight. At home I have a pickaxe handle that has no sharpened edges but extends my reach by 3+ feet. The UK laws are beyond ridiculous, I assume most are to try and stop druggy kids killing each other. If the parents were held to account more it would help.
A politician said about 20 years ago that societal issues as strongly linked to the break down in the family unit. It's rare (if not never) that I agree with politicians
@@MoorlanderEDC we then get into a scary debate that there are rules for everything other than who can have kids. Id introduce a citizenship qualification in schools that if passed entitles you to free NHS care, benefits etc.. Nowadays little poppets live a consequence free life.
@@truthdragon7719 I'm harsh in my views. There's too many career baby factories out there sponging off the Nanny State. Two kids and your benefits are fine. Any more kids and you only get the benefits for the first two. I only have two kids. I also feel you should get extra benefits if you're in a full time working job (child tax credits for working families for both parents who are together). There needs to be a reason to get a job and stick with two kids. If you want more, that's fine, but I'm not paying for you to live a work free life and half a dozen welfare sponges. This might be a conversation for another video 🤣🤣🤣
@@truthdragon7719 I also think every operation, A&E admission, doctor appointment should have a standard £5.00 fee. When you see the doctor and the dectir says its a real case, or you see an A&E nurse and they agree you should have come to A&E you get your £5 back. No more knobs calling an ambulance for a tooth ache, visiting A&E for a blister in the ankle. Would really help with stupid people
@@MoorlanderEDC I very much agree with both your points. I think a lot of people think similarly. I would have also happily paid say £30 for each of my covid jabs.
i live in england and i agree, the knife laws are stupid, we arent allowed the locking safety feature and we arent even allowed to defend ourselves at all, otherwise we get punished. good vid btw
Thanks Soup. What annoys me is you're not allowed to carry something for defensive reasons. Carrying a brick to defend yourself is illegal... Get attacked and pick a brick up to defend yourself and that is legal (as long as the brick is none locking and less than 3 inches 🤣) If some psycho attacked me I'm meant to run away and hope I can run faster than them
@Moorlander EDC In the U.K we're just a bunch of running chopping boards to machete men these days...chances are if you did defend yourself like you said you'd probably get in more trouble, lol. Also let's be honest, if you are looking to hurt people you are not going to say hold on please while I get my probably maximum 5inch folding blade locking or not out of your pocket. The majority of stabbings are done with a mother's kitchen knife if they let us EDC/bushcraft guys carry whatever size locking/non locking in public they'd still have the same amount of stabbings as we're not the ones putting them in other humans. As ever here though....only takes a few idiots ruin it for the masses.
Correct. The other 20% are things like screw drivers, chisles, and box opener blades. It's a joke. None of the laws we have today have stopped knife crime... And it's increasing day to day. Nobody is addressing why these youths are carrying knives
@@paulinequinton1478 That’s completely different logic and makes zero sense. A useful tool used daily for legitimate purposes by millions of people is very different from a weapon designed to be as lethal as possible to as many people as possible. And I say this as someone who thinks of shooting as the only sport I've ever been interested in. Access should be possible for such purposes, but general availability of such a weapon would not be sensible.
Knife laws are silly in England. I was born in the late ‘60’s and it was common place to have a knife for your 13 birthday. A lot of my mates including me, had Airguns on our 14th birthdays. Going back to knives, it was common place for people to walk around with sheath knives on your belt, if you were off down the woods with your mates, or off to Scouts on a camp. I’m a gardener now, and I sometimes walk around carrying a full size machete,obviously on my way to or from work. But everyday, I carry a knife, as I see it as a useful tool. They are just handy to have. All the best.👍🏾🇬🇧
As I was born in the 1950s, I would beg to differ, slightly. Yes, Scouts could wear knives in camp and in uniform - including going on parade, etc., and you could obviously use your knife in the woods. However, a solo scout travelling on the bus would not be in quite the same circumstances and I am pretty sure you would have to have the knife secured until the event, itself. Now, I accept that there would be many situations where you could get away with wearing a knife on the way to the local woods or whatever, but the basic application of the law was not that different.
Having been born in the US and recently spending half of my years in Europe/UK I find it rather stupid that y'all can't do what is described above anymore . when I was growing up (2000's-early 2010's) it was rather normal to have a knife at 10, and a pellet gun at 12. I hope Y'all's laws get better as while we have our own problems in the US, I can see the cracks forming in your systems as well.
@keegan v laws in the UK rarely change or get revoked in favour of less restriction. They typically remain forever like Bill of Rights 1689 or Coronation Act 1688. Alternatively, they reword to be more widespread application (definition changes) or its superceded by a more controlling act of legislation than before. Which is what was being pointed out above your comment how it was, (there was law there then, it just was not as strict and oppressive), the laws now BAN before they were more advice/guidance, and laws in the UK only get more restrictive, there will NEVER be a repealing of the knives, bladed instruments of offensive weapons acts, these will only continue to be tightened as ever more politicians seek to leave their name on "protection" law creation logs. 90% of these laws do not stop the crime they intend to stop when first envisioned. It is simple logic. To think a criminal who intends to carry a knife in an urban street with the purpose of "self-defence" is not concerned about an act of law prohibiting such an act of carrying it. How is this conclusion arrived at? Well, the act of wounding, murder, manslaughter etc already exist in law and even the dimmest idiots know killing or wounding another person is a criminal act, yet these youths still take a knife before the ban to do such injury, so adding a punishment does nothing to prevent the crime. It is only reported in that light. Police and media will say that X number knives were seized and taken off the streets, but these did not "prevent crime" they theoretically prevented crime. Its a play on words because the crime needs to be taking place to be prevented, going equipped (burglary) was created for this reason, as a preventative crime because until the burglary was in or attempting entry there was no crime taking place to stop. So knife law was introduced to provide the same comparable offence as with the burglary crimes, that of being equipped (a crime of intention to commit a later crime). It is not stopping a crime of knife crime it is a knife crime by the fact the law made it a crime. Making sense? This is why it won't get better. Govts only know how to restrict rights, freedoms, and privileges, the govt is not about creating freedom or enabling choice. That is why we have taxes, to enforce payment to the state, And income tax was set up to pay for war with France and Napoleon in the late 1700's, by 1816 Income tax was abolished and was defeated in the house of commons by just 37 votes, however govt being what it is in 1842 the income taxes were reintroduced and have never been voted upon again. Except to make them more widespread or higher percentages of incomes taken. The original taxes were from 1 to 10% of incomes today they are 20 to 40% of incomes, that is, not an inflationary rise, that's greed. The % rates have increased, thus increasing the amount charged. Sorry I digress, my point is, govt makes laws and only ever tightens them like a noose, they never release (repeal) them to give freedom.
my grandad gave me a knife at about 13-14ish, that was about a decade ago, cheap little no brand thing but I treasure it more than multi-hundred pound knives
In Tasmania we are not allowed to legally carry any knife, not even a SAK or a Leatherman. The list of valid reasons for carrying is not a long one. A lot of the population are rural and bush people, it makes no sense when the criminals do as they please anyway, no matter what the law says! The laws only restrict the people that would never use a knife for the wrong reasons...
Honestly am surprised the UK is not the same. Although alot of people here will argue that you can't carry any knive because either they are uneducated on the law. I've had so many people say I'll still get charged if am searched and my UKPK is found. I may still get taken to the station if the police are uneducated but once I got charged for having a tiny lockback and the officer said if it didn't lock I would of been fine!
Whow , shocked. Not even a Leatherman!!! I work in a factory in the UK. I use it a lot it's problem solving tool , we have Martor retractable safety box knives at work also , just not so handy .
True, this is said so often that there is no way the law-makers havent heard it so Im starting to think they dont care and are using every tactic possible to disarm the citizenry, the mass of any population is law-abiding so naturally the laws will always affect the majority. Once the majority is disarmed then they can move in an eliminate the criminals who are still armed and then you have a totally compliant society like in any communist country from history.
A while ago my colleague's son was run through with a sword in a pub. Luckily he survived. One thing that BBB mentioned recently that even if you have a legal carry knife and are stopped and searched, the police will try everything in the book to make you admit that the knife could be used as a weapon. Never agree with them on this and never ever say " self defence" or "personal protection ". Great vid. Thanks.
I spotted that too. Especially asking "could this be used as a weapon" and then taking them if you say yes. I have the utmost respect for the Boys and Girls in Blue however that's a wee bit under hand
@@SoSimonSays Nope. You are not allowed to carry a sword in public without good reason. I have a couple of Kukri that are almost certainly over 100 years old and under 50 cm, but I wouldn't risk carrying them "in public". I would have no problem buying such a blade and taking it home - if it was wrapped up and secured in a bag or case and out of sight - but not openly on the street, unless there were some event where it was reasonable to do so.
@@charleshayes2528 Banned knives and weapons If a knife or weapon is listed in the following table, it’s illegal to: possess it bring it into the UK sell or hire it out lend or give it to someone There are some legal exemptions. For example, knives and weapons which are over 100 years old are exempt, except for flick knives. If you want advice on exemptions, contact your local police or get legal advice. Copied from .gov
I lost faith in this countrys laws a very long time ago. It seems like the law is charging into the abyss. I hope that they eventually see reason but i doubt it.
Live in the UK, personally the real danger is from shop bought kitchen knives those are cheap easy to obtain, while I believe a knife is a tool to be used as such its the intent that makes the line squiffy, I also love to be able to carry a locking blade simply for its safety for the user
Agreed. More stabbings have happened from knives bought from Asda, Tesco, Sainsburys etc than anywhere else. I watches some footage today of gangs of youths with machetes from the likes of Wish.com
@@MoorlanderEDC There was a fight between some blokes here over a weed grow a couple of months ago and the police were easily able to get the cctv of them all, 30 minutes before they killed the guy, stopping off in Sainsbury's to buy a large kitchen knife each. :facepalm:
I'm a Disabled British War Pensioner and I remember when I was being taught about Weapons, the Instructor said "a Firearm is an inanimate object, just like a ballpoint pen! It's the person who wields the firearm or ballpoint pen.... That has the capacity to do great damage!" One of the guys asked "surely a Firearm can do far more damage than a Ballpoint pen?" And the instructor replied "not necessarily! Look at the politicians who wield ballpoint pens to put their signature on foolish bills of law, and damage all of our lives!!!! We don't outlaw ballpoint pens... We blame the Politicians!!! Why don't we do the same thing with firearms?" The same thing applies to blades, it's irrational and made up by foolish Politicians.... Let Responsibility and Freedoms be granted to Responsible, Free British Citizens... And punish the fools who are Irresponsible and use the inanimate object to cause harm!! Don't punish me for the acts of others!! These restrictions damage my way of life!!🤬🤬🤬🤬
...I mean... no . A knife is a genuine tool, used for construction or art or maintenance or just basic survival tasks like food and firewood prep, shelters etc.. None of those involve harm, and you can ALSO use it for hunting and killing, which do. But a gun cannot be used for anything *else*. It's a weapon or an intimidation, and that's all it is. A gun is a tool, sure, but its a tool only for violence or intimidating violence into stopping. Guns are only tools if people & animals are objects. And people & animals are not objects. Soldiers are not primarily craftsmen or tradesmen and we make damn sure they see the enemy as objects not people because their job, ultimately, is to kill folk. That's not something everyone can do and I have much respect for everything our armed forces have to go through physically and mentally - but there's really no point pretending otherwise. So a gun is a weapon, and it is only a weapon. That's all it can ever be. It's not a 'tool' except by twisting the meaning a fair bit, there's a reason we invented the concept of 'weapon' being a classification. A knife or axe is both a tool and a weapon. A gun is just a weapon. A sword or mace is just a weapon. Guns are also FUN, don't get me wrong - I don't know why folk have to insist on 'defence' and 'protection' arguments you can just say "me like when boomstick go boom," and that's... totally fine and honest? I *also* like when boomstick go boom and I'd really love to be able to experience that without jumping through every hoop the law can throw at me and still maybe get told no. And I'm a bloody good instinctive shot with a longarm, it turns out, so it would be nice to hone that skill just for *fun*. FWIW I'm worthless with a pistol. Got to be a longarm! UK knife law (and various other laws we have) are so restrictive on personal freedom as to be frankly counter to the human experience, and I'd like gun ownership to not be something so out of reach for folk as to make the only guns in the country to exist on the black market or farmer's land...: but the guns vs knives argument is comparing apples and oranges. The principle of the lesson is absolutely fine - what truly matters is the behaviour not the tool, but the idea that a gun is 'just' a tool is a fantasy cooked up by the military & gun industry.
My Chinese Kung Fu teacher in China town London showed us once how in Hong Kong they use biros to seriously hurt people, especially if struck in the windpipe
I'm 76 so remember when I was at school in the 1950's and 60's we HAD to have a knife to sharpen our Technical Drawing pencils. I never knew anyone who had a knife problem, never saw a knife fight. This has all been brought upon us by a certain sector of the population that we cannot even name for obvious reasons. You can make all the laws you want, these people will carry what they wish and are prepared to use them. Just this week 9 of these people were jailed for murder in Nottingham. Simon Ellis of History Debunked has a lot to say on this topic, well worth watching.
If I'm right in saying, I think Nottingham has one of highest knife crime issues. The issues really comes from the fact that the vast majority of those knives are kitchen knives. My running buddy work for the police and they're trying to work with youths on not carrying knives and moving out of that gang culture. We were talking about deterrents. The feedback they've had from youngsters are there are no deterrents to stop them. They just don't care at all. Doing a few years in prison only adds to their street cred. One of the main statistics is these kids come from single parent family without a role model to shepherd them to be good adults. The cure for this knife crime runs deeper than naughty kids. I'll check out the Simon Ellis content. Thanks for the heads up
I'm from the countryside in the 70s/80s where we had/access to guns nevermind knives, as kids/teens. In the Cubs you'd have a pen-knife & in the Scouts a 6" sheath knife. Scalpels for Airfix kits, etc. Literally everyone carried all the time because there's always something that needs a knife/tool. No one ever pulled one on another person nevermind cut/stabbed them even when having actual fights. Moved to a City & things are slightly different. The kids are alright but there's predatory/violent adults now that as a small kid you really have no defence against if you don't even get the opportunity to [easily] outrun them. I worked as a paper-boy for a few years and there were a few of us to cover all the rounds back then. One evening one of them was grabbed by some bloke & molested on his round. The other lads didn't fancy taking it on but I wasn't bothered because I always carried my great-grandfathers WW1 bayonet in my paper bag. Blunt as fuck [used as a fire poker for years before it was given to me] but no one suddenly on the other end of it knows that. Saved my ass too. Saw off two big blokes with it who were following me and talking about what they could do to me if they felt like it, right up until the point where I pulled it out and waved it at them. Fuck the law. Always carry and hope the jury aren't cunts.
Very similar here. I grew up in a small rural town a stones throw from Alton Towers. I had a knife from a young age. Cutting rope, tree branches etc to make bases in the woods. My childhood was like a Northern version of an Enid Blighton book 😁 that's what kids did in the 80s. I've watched so many videos of these gangs and they're all carrying Wish.com or Ali Express machetes, or knives from Tesco. We're expected to walk around with nothing to defend ourselves waiting for the next mad person to attack us
You mean 'arse' (silent 'r'), not 'ass' unless you're American. In English, as used in England and the rest of the UK, an 'ass' is a small, usually grey, long-eared animal of the horse genus; 'arse' is the buttocks. Therefore you should have said: 'saved my arse'. Interestingly, the English form 'arse' is now rare in North America, where in later use 'ass' (originally a regional and colloquial pronunciation variant of arse, with assimilatory loss of 'r') became the usual North American equivalent. ❤xx
@@MoorlanderEDC One of the greatest quotes of all time ... " If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim that can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore, what he must be taught to fear is his victim." ...................When seconds count, police are minutes away..............
Yep, we've made a rod for our own back allowing politicians to make these laws. Funnily enough, I was watching some content on how open the southern border is. I might take you up on that offer. I guarantee I'll be an amazing US citizen. Thanks for watching buddy. Happy 4th
Great video, always good to be up to date with the idiotic laws regarding an EDC knife. I really do despair..... A knife is a tool, I use one everyday i'm at work. "What its a 3 inch LOCKING blade? You must be a psychopath! Hellbent on the destruction of mankind!!"
I'm from Wisconsin, USA and to be quite honest I find knife laws to be ridiculous. I see a knife as a tool, I carry a liner locking Kershaw Filter and a Victorinox Pioneer X. Sometimes when out doing yard work, hiking, etc I carry a Mora HD Companion. These are simply tools that get used for cutting, slicing, opening and fixing whatever may need fixing. As far as being used as weapons, a screwdriver, kitchen knife, hammer, even a pencil can be used to cause injury or death. Knife laws punish law abiding citizens, criminals don't care or think about locks or blade length. They will use whatever knife they want, laws be damned.
As a Czech who lives in England I was quite surprised when I found out that the knife I carried around for a year was actually illegal to carry around here. We have no laws on cold weapons in Czechia, and I absolutely agree that I see it as a tool, rather than a weapon, and the regulations are just ridiculous
i have a lil spyderco grasshopper in my wallet, people in the uk arent used to people edc, so when a small cake needed cutting up and everyone goes awwww, i pull out my knife and everyone freaks out, why have you got a knife, erm for situations like this!!!!!! lol obviously for all sorts but in the uk most just arent used to it
@@SoSimonSays I know. When I say we should get rid of the knife regulation in England they all go crazy and think everyone will stab each other. They can't sell you scissors until you are 18 and show them ID. This country is a mess in its regulations
@@janhejcman & because scissors are so dangerous they come in blister packs that... wait for it... require scissors or a very sharp knife to open! You couldn't make it up :D
I use a knife every day with my job. It's always in my pocket and always in use. It is great to know that our government has our best interests at heart and knife crime has dropped to zero so thank you government of the day!
I think about the history of blades in all of these countries and it’s ridiculous that you’re so restricted now. In Japan, for instance, I think you can get in trouble for a Swiss Army knife. Just insane to me. Sad. Criminals will never care about laws anyway.
Criminals don't care about the subtle distinction between blade length and cutting edge length. Law abiding citizens should be able to carry whatever they want to defend themselves.
We can use anything HANDY to defend ourselves against a lethal attack . So much is being said we are not allowed to use lethal force but that is NOT TRUE .
That is the argument of the US gun lobby and the result is a huge death toll from gun use - some of it from "criminals" but a lot from legal users who decide to shoot their neighbour for knocking on the wrong door or turning into the wrong driveway. I am not denying the use of guns by criminals, but by and large most of the mass shootings/school shootings aren't carried out by criminals. Secondly, if law abiding citizens carry whatever they want, then how do you stop the criminals from carrying the same things, openly, in the guise of being law abiding. At present, someone carrying a banned weapon or a restricted weapon without excuse is already a criminal - quite apart from intent. If anyone can carry anything it becomes harder for the police to prevent crime, they can only catch someone after they use their "legal" weapon. While weapon laws/knife laws in the UK are stupid, we are generally free from the universal fear of guns that exists in the USA. I accept that the majority of people who use knives are sensible, but the law has to restrict those who are not sensible. We restrict who can drive, or vote, or drink and we expect those who practice medicine to be trained. I see no problem with having some restrictions on dangerous objects.
@@charleshayes2528 A Spyderco Delica is not a dangerous object. It is a tool to be used for every day carry. Also, remember it was U.S. guns and U.S. men that saved England and the rest of the world in 1944.
The vast majaority of incidents involving knife crime in the UK involve common kitchen knives and not the sort of knife targeted by these ridiculous laws. Putting that aside the establishment still cannot get thier head around the fact that criminals "Do Not" follow the law, they break the law as a matter of course. So no amount of regulations are realistically going to have much effect.
That's exactly the sort of knife being targeted by this law....??? By curtailing what we can carry (to sub-3-inch folders), we are excluding the types of knives we can't carry (kitchen knives).
It’s all a load of bollocks anyway. If your a bad man carrying a knife for no good, you don’t care about the laws anyway. Only hurts us dudes who love knives and wanna use them for edc doins
@Moorlander EDC that's somewhat naive. Without law nothing would be illegal. They wouldn't be criminals, knife crime wouldn't exist. The laws arent a perfect counter to knife crime, but they enable people to be prosecuted for it and add aggravating circumstances to any charges brought against the person.
I wouldn't say naïve 😆 I definitely agree that we need knife laws. We need them to show we have a standard or what we expect from citizens, however, criminals all fall outside of those laws. If you take the US for example and the differing gun ownership laws through the different States. All the data proves that States that have incredibly tight laws on carrying a firearm on average have the highest figures for violent crime and gun deaths. Chicago is a shine example of this... whereas States that have the closest rights to the Second Amendment and freedom to carry a fire arm on average have the least amount of violent crimes and murders by guns. These are readily available figures, and facts the media are refusing to report on. Now, I'm not saying we allow claymores and samurais (although that would be very cool in deed) but none of the knife laws we have here have prevent a stabbing in the inner cities. It's either a societal issue (which I feel it is as these youngsters feel they need to carry a knife to be safe) or it's something else
@@lmaoroflcopter stats show that most people are law-abiding all their lives regardless of rules they are under, the vast majority could carry machine guns and still would never use them.
When a government and a monarchy begin to fear the people, this tells you everything you need to know about their legitimacy. Walk tall and don't carry a sharpened pencil in your pocket.
@@jamesrichardson8488then london should have its own fucking laws. Why should i be banned from owning or carrying things up in the mountains of wales because of londons statistics? Boils my piss and we should all be lining the streets demanding change. And something like literally 98% of knife crime is committed with kitchen knives.. they aren't banning them, its nothing to do with statistics, it's chipping away at all of our rights simply so they can appear to be doing something when there's FAR bigger issues they entirely ignore.
Thanks for the reference and link - I'll link back to your brilliant video in my new upcoming one talking about the same thing. (Madness in many respects, but the law is the law!)
I'm genuinely honoured that you've watched my content. I'm a huge fan of your channel and think your content is great. There's so much of the law that feels out of reach to the lay person. Thanks for watching 🤜🤛
When I was younger everyone had a penknife, and we didn't go around stabbing everyone up from a different post code , I hate to sound pessimistic but our country is on a one way journey not for the better
when I was in elementary school in the US in the 1970s it was common for us guys to whittle sticks during recess with our pocketknives that we always carried, our parents knew, teachers knew, it was not a thought in anyone's mind to ban the knives. The sticks we'd whittle we'd then use as spears! No one was ever stabbed tho.
@@joejones9520 I think it's just got worse since we done away with religion in schools, you didn't even have to be super religious but it today even if people don't realise is what western culture is grounded in , morality, forgiveness, virtue, empathy, all based in Christian values. Yet us in the anglosphere are racists if we try and celebrate our culture or wanting to hold on to it, because the new elites the kids ,university people of the managerial class don't believe the west has a culture, and what culture we have is tolerance ,diversity, blah blah blah fucking blah when we become the minority, the new guests ain't gonna give a fuck about the rainbow, tolerant left soyboy crowed, they will laugh at them for the weaklings they are the fact that they gave up on and destroyed there own culture just like that, cuz diversity duhhhh
My biggest problem with our knife law is that it’s not clear and it leaves room for interpretation which will be used against you in court. As you’ve mentioned in the video there are ambiguities around what is considered a blade and its length, but also around the part of the law that mentioned the ‘good reasoning’. For me good reason of carrying a small knife is to open packages, cut labels on clothes or peel an apple. Just the other day I could not open a bag of peanuts with my bare hands, it kept slipping and the plastic was too thick. Try explaining that to a policeman, see how far it takes you. Also, a 3 inch locking knife is not more dangerous than a screwdriver, a folding saw or a pizza cutter. Are they going to ban these next?
OMG! Imagine how many scouts died back them from meaningless attacks... I'm guessing... none 😆 I was in the cubs and scouts and had a swiss army knife my dad gave me
Haha, I carried an M1A1 bayonet as a sheath knive, never had a problem back then. I never felt the need to use it for stabbing anyone either, it was just a tool.
The law is pointless, it only affects people who abide it. The reason for the law is because of stabbings, and noone ever stabbed someone worrying if their knife followed UK law. I don't think we should be allowed to walk around with a Bowie on our hip but I do think we should be allowed to have a locking blade of usable length for EDC.
Hi CG, 100% agree. Knives bought from Asda and Tesco have done more harm than anything else. I think the 3" length of fine too, maybe 3.5" as it opens up a lot of other knives but I'm not that bothered. Locking the blade does make it way more safe. I'm sure if you were a true ninja, you could take someone out with a 10mm knife is needed
Knife laws are stupid because criminals don't care about the law, all laws like this do is criminalise lawful people, also they don't work because we have a knife crime epidemic, a lot of stabbings are done with screwdrivers as are burglaries, fact is violent criminals will use guns, knives, machetes what ever they like because they don't care about the law, also these same individuals that are are caught carrying illegal knives are often let off with a caution if it is their first offence, most don't carry either they have knives that are hidden in various places and they get them when they need them.
The ones who make law, grew up in public school, they never knew what life is, they don't know what a pothole is or the inside of a public bus :-y they don't understand life but they legislate and as such, they aren't aware of ppls lives (/-_•)\
I am Uk knive lover and carry my spyderco UKPK 95 percent of the time and have be fortunate enough never had to explain it to any officer. With the way the UKPK looks i def think i would still get taken to the station as i wouldn't be willing to just hand it over if i dont beleive ive broke any laws. All be it aswell due to the £90 cost and fact i have had it for a long long time
Hi PM. Do you know what, I totally agree on the UKPK look and feel. If they wanted to make a knife that didn't look particularly offensive, they didn't read the brief properly. I definitely think the Urban I had here is much more knife law compliant looking. The leaf shape to the blade looks less 'stabby'. I've also been very fortunate that I've never been questioned over my carry. I have several friends who are Police Officers and they've all got differing understandings of the law... Strangely though... in the knife epidemic we're apparently in, of the 5 of them, only one had ever confiscated a knife. All of the others haven't ever been in a situation that they've needed to. They're mainly around rural North Staffordshire, North Derby and East Cheshire so they're not London or central Birmingham
@@MoorlanderEDC I bought the Urban over the UKPK due to it's full backspring, I don't want a slipjoint with half a backspring, also the thicker bladestock, and the better blade steel.
@@simonh6371 the backsprng is very strong on the UKPK. I have always wanted the HH version. I will probably pick up a urban at somepoint as well for the s30v if I can't get a HH UKPK 2nd hand market. There both great knives!
I read the office of national statistic released that 80% of knife crime was with kitchen knives from Tesco, Asda, Amazon etc (I guessed it would be higher). The remaining 20% is screwdrivers, Stanley/utility knives, chisels etc. Tesco, Morrisons and Sainsburys etc have sold more deadly knives than anyone
I have always had an appreciation for a quality knife, I’m 63 now and used to carry a blade with me everywhere, I would never have called on it nor been tempted to use it aggressively yet, 80% of my beautiful collection I can no longer have with me. I also love wood carving and have some lovely crafted knives made specifically for wood carving yet because they are fixed into the handles I can’t take them out with me, only my flexicut whittling Jack is suitable. It’s all bollox, the government has no respect from me, I’m sick to the teeth of the inbred silver spoon fed wankers coming up with these useless laws. I wouldn’t mind if they were well thought out and fit for purpose but they ain’t
If you have legitimate reasons to carry you can use your tools. I do for work have blades packed and stored correctly. In a bag till you get to where you are going. Use them for intended purposes only and never refer to them as a weapon or for self defence. They are a tool for a purpose.
@@devilsreject320 thanks for getting back, it makes me rather nervous to take a carving knife out, just my luck that some neurotic spinsters of the parish will be out having a stroll. Just imagine the mobile phone call to the police. “Hello is that the police? There’s an overweight old guy just sat down mumbling to himself and playing with a knife “ ide probably get shot before I could show them the twig cockerel I’d made. Lol
The laws are not going to be followed by criminals and no criminal would pull our a blade of less that 5" to intimidate you, so these laws are not there to protect honest men, they are there to get easy prossicutions regardless of intent.
I know this law in the UK and I think it's a bad law. Using non locking knife is just dangerous. I've visited UK last week and I took with me only small Victorinox. So I can tell you, it's not very convienient or safe to... even cut bread and butter it with that kind of knife. I believe there is a law in the UK against killing people with knives, right? So why is necesary law against carrying knives? Next one will be probably against thinking of carrying knife. I can imagine how to kill someone with pencil or shoelace. Are pencils and shoelaces still legal? And what about bricks? What about glass bottles? Or hydraulic wrenches? If I wanted to kill someone I would definitely choose a hydraulic wrench ;) In Poland we have less restrictive laws. There are limitations, but there is no distinction between folding knives, non-folding knives, with or without a lock. But I can see that this is also going in the wrong direction with us. If someone wants to use a knife for bad intentions, they'll just take it from the kitchen and don't care about the law. Bandits using firearms don't use them legally either.
Hi Rafal, thanks for commenting my friend. Yes, the universal fact is that criminals don't follow laws. It knives were banned tomorrow, or the old Gods magically removed them from the face of the planet someone would pick up a hammer, cricket bat or sock with a handful of gravel in it.
Politicians don’t much care about thugs carrying 10” kitchen knives. But they cannot STAND for subjects to carry a two inch knife which has a lock to keep it from folding on your fingers.
Thanks Moorlander - great video. As if our laws were not confusing enough...! Thanks for bringing some clarity. I am a fan of @blackbeltbarrister and have referenced his site a few times from my channel. I think I need to start putting disclaimers if I mention that any knives that I review are UK legal - as I am not a barrister.... BTW your jacket didn't sound too bad - loved the out-takes at the end!
Dammit man I had no idea you had to be 17 or 18 just to buy a knife. By then I'd been toting a knife for 8 maybe 10 years. Always wanted to see the UK but between the no guns and the knife laws I'd go crazy
Yeah... It's a bit naff however we can still own some knives for public use and everything else has to stay out of public. There's also a rumour that we can't own guns. We can totally own guns here... But there's limits. No pistols unless heavily modified. Rifles that are 22lr can be semi auto, anything above 22lr has to be manually actioned. We can own a AR, an AK, even a Barratt 50bmg but they can be semi auto. The gun community over here is growing and flourishing. It's a shame pistols have to be modified. For a laugh... Google "UK modified pistol" 😉
@@ShadrikEaston I had a pocket knife from when I was in my early teens. I think the law has changed slightly. Before if you were buying a legal slip joint you didn't have to be 18
It's really funny to me about the knife purchase age thing. When I was a little kid in Cub Scouts, like 10 or so, I got a standard Scout knife with the blade, leather awl, can opener and bottle opener and a flat screwdriver. Purple delrin scales, steel bolsters and a little bail on one end - probably the Camillus or Case version. I carried that all through junior high and high school (12-17) and never thought about it. I was in California, so it was probably illegal. But it was a long time ago, so maybe not.
@@martinhafner2201 I used to carry a small buck like knife through school and in those years. never got into any trouble but then wasnt flashing it around. had a swiss army knife in my teens. no problem again. i just grew up with that mentality of I suppose.. 'im a kid, kids have a pocket knife, climb trees make bivuac and campfires'. this is london uk.
Yes, kind of. You can carry knife that's 3" or less that doesn't lock. The difficulty is criminals will never follow the law. To some degree I feel we should be allowed to carry anything. Meet fire with fire kind of thing. I think most of criminal gangs would think twice about mugging somebody at knife point if they knew there was a good chance the person might have a knife too. We have a system where legal law abiding citizens will always be at the mercy of criminals. We definitely have a person problem here though, not a knife problem. If every knife magically disappeared from the UK over night, these wannabe gangsters would just start using hammers, cricket bats or anything they can use to intimidate people. It's not the knife's fault, it's the empowered criminals who probably grew up without anybody to tell them they're being an idiot (and probably click them around their ear)
Lock knife. Safety feature. Penknife. Loss of fingertips. Yeah man, government worries about 3in blade laws when machetes are the go to weapon of choice for the coward. Only in Britain.
Unfortunately, the media has colluded with the government to vilify law abiding citizens like us. You whip out a Swiss Army knife and people think you're about to slice them up
Jeepers, I have a sheath knife on my belt, put one in my pocket and have a machete on my back that goes in the bicycle basket when traveling. Is not because I am a badass or a criminal, is just because Florida is like that, sometimes. There are snakes and bears and alligators and even some sea creatures that can end an otherwise well and happy day. If I am going to town, well the city nearest me is 65.7 K that aways or yonderthereabouts, probably do not need the machete. If I am going out on a boat, well, that is almost a daily routine, some days might be a sailing vessel, some days might be a 28' center console, and some days might be a 35' sport fishing vessel. Might add a switchblade, because cutting a line is sometimes quickish operation. If my state or county outlaws knives, I reckon I could get by with sharp sticks and billy clubs. Really do not come across as many gators as there once were in these parts, there are less bears and bob cats also. Sharp sticks and billy clubs could be used, I suppose. But gah, that is like backwards evolution. I can and sometimes do carry a firearm, because again, Florida is most often like that. The state would have to send me a measuring stick so that we could agree what is overall length and what is not. Telling me a blade is this and a bolster is that and an edge is just an imaginary concept that will be defined later so that fines may be implemented is a sorta idiocracy that alotta people agreed would be okee dokee. That sux.
Dont take a knife to the fitbaw or the pub, carry something sensible and you wont have any bother. Ive not had the polis check ma pockets for over 20 years.
Your description is totally wrong, brooker case was about a butter knife, not a lock knife... why does everyone get this case law so wrong when it's literally online and free to read!!! even black belt got it wrong.... the cutting edge is the part that cuts, if it was the whole blade, sooo many knives that are legal to carry would be illegal like the magnum kids safety folder
One statement of old, carved into many courtrooms, is ‘punish the WRONGDOER’ but in Britain today, criminals use almost solely kitchen knives to commit knife crime- while law abiding citizens are PUNISHED with blanket bans on EVERY attractive or knife with any kind of ‘novelty’ or ‘gimmick’ like flick knives, spring assisted knives, butterfly knives, and so on. The rule in todays Britain is definitely ‘punish the law abiding person with blanket bans of knives no criminal uses’
It's pathetic that responsible adults aren't allowed to have a knife on their person with a blade longer than 3". A knife is a useful everyday tool plus a deterrent to psychos who really don't care what the law is regarding knives. You really cant defend yourself with a none locking blade without risking cutting your own fingers off
In 1963 I was in the cubs scouts. There were 25 of us in the pack. About 17 of us had a sheath knife with a 7 inch blade. It was so normal to see young lads with a knife on our side. Not one of us did any buffoonary . In fact I dont think any of us did anything stupid.
Always the same in this country. Rather than come down heavily on the perpetrators of violent crime and assault, the authorities think that if they ban everything that can be used as a weapon the problem will go away. It doesn't work like that. This is a cultural problem which needs handling in a totally different way. God help us if there's a spate of tent peg or screwdriver stabbings then there'll want to ban them and we won't be allowed to put up tents or have toolboxes and anything that's not supplied by Fisher Price or Play mobile. We have truly become pathetic and I lay it all down squarely to the lefties who live in a false world
Just to point out a man of 90-100kg with a mean right hook can be absolutely lethal. More people are killed by someone’s bare hands than by a small pocket knife! If I had to fight someone (other than running away) I’m not going to fiddle around with my officer suisse and try and poke him with it. I’d be lucky to make it through denim! 😂
The Boker xs is now in this grey area depending on where you take the measurement. This was an excellent edc knife for UK still advertised by many suppliers as UK legal, but now up for debate ?
I think there's a few knives I have now that are pretty close. One officer might let it pass where as another might not. I always say be nice, polite and courteous to every officer. If they like you, then you'll have a better chance of keeping your knife 🤘 Stay safe buddy
@@MoorlanderEDC AFAIK the law still reads "cutting edge". I believe BBB is wrong because the AFAICT the Brooker case wasn't about folding knives or "cutting edge" or s139. It was about whether an unsharpened butter knife counted as a "blade" at all.
Sadly the UK knife laws are not fit for purpose. The poor performance of UK Police forces in fighting UK knife crime is not, in any way, related to the length of legal blades. The weapons of choice are so often kitchen knives and machetes. A few years back I watched at TV documentary where investigative journalists asked an under age person to buy a machete from three separate, unrelated, garden centres. The 15 year old making the purchase was only challenged on one of the three occasions, and that was by a "Saturday" worker, who herself was underage and, hence, required an appropriate adult to confirm age verification.
Its not knife crime they should be focusing on, its the crime bit, dont care weather its a knife, bazooka or nuke, the question is why are they doing it, address that problem first before you take away other peoples rights
Some of us pay good money for our knives ,I can't see a person who going to stab some one paying for a knife when they will just get one out of the cutlery draw, perhaps this law will extend to the kitchen next,cutting the Sunday roast will be fun😢......
Before diversity people could be trusted with knifes guns whatever...im referring to only the criminal aspects not the good people obviously...the problem is to talk about the problem is deemed autobad
The UK law says cutting edge, but if you cut a sheet of paper with the whole cutting edge and measure that it could give you a whole different length of "cutting edge"
Before the government changed the laws about Which knifes you could carry 1988 a lot of people freely carried Bowie knifes military combat survival knives machetes and kuris 12 in long sheath knifes lock knifes crocodile knifes a foot long the only me mistake they made is you should be able to carry a lock knife of 3 in or less like folding pocket knives because there days locking blades are marketed as a safety feature for the user
I looks knife would be my choice too. The 3" length seems to be a universal length with a lot of governments around the world and it perfect for EDC use. An extra half inch would open up so many of there amazing knifes but I'm happy with 3" (I'm sure there's a "that's what she said" in there somewhere 😆)... whereas locking is so much more safe
I carry a knife while I'm working, I'm aware it is illegal, however without it I would find it almost impossible to do certain parts of my job. Sure there are safety knives that almost work, but even then only do half the job. My knife locks because it's safer for me, I used a non locking knife once and it skipped and closed on my fingers. I wouldn't dream of stabbing anyone or anything with it as my hand would very likely slide down the blade and slice through my fingers. Real criminal will always break the law and find a way to conceal knives or other weapons etc, if someone wants to go out and harm another person, making it illegal to carry a knife isn't going to stop them.
It's not strictly speaking illegal if its a specific knife for you profession. Gardeners can legally carry machetes (but not around Asda), carpet layers can legally carry a Stanley knife, or warehouse staff etc. It's more common sense really. If you're travelling to work and have it in you bag then most Officer are cool. If its the same knife and you're half cut in the pub on a Sunday afternoon, it's a completely different story. You're bob on about criminals skirting the law. Not a single current knife law has stopped a stabbing. 80% of knife violence is carried out with kitchen knives available from Tesco or Adsa
I have faith you'll have time to be able to correct your course. Once Princess Trudy is out, hopefully Mr Poilievre can sort things out. We're doomed. I don't see any correction here. I don't want to get too political but there's too many snowflake extreme liberal progressives that we're lost. They'll happily watch our nation burn around their feet. Say anything against the Sheepeople masses and you're labelled all the 'isms' and 'ists'
Museumits gave me a good chuckle. I always carry a Victorinox huntsman, the amount of tags on toys and clothes my daughter needs removing makes it 100% worth it. The saw has been handy for quick jobs round nans house etc also.
While I can absolutely see the value in constantly changing the weapon laws to make it illegal to carry more and more types of items, since criminals are famous for being law abiding and always hand in all their newly outlawed weapons, one can not ignore the fact that constantly updating the weapons laws does cost a bit of time and money. How about, and hear me out, I know it is a radical idea, instead of just gradually increasing the definitions of what items are deemed illegal in order to reduce knife crime and gun crime, we just in a single statute outlaw all forms of crime? Since knife and gun crime offenders are demonstrably and famously law abiding, I am sure, making crime illegal would reduce knife and gun crime drastically.
In my humble opinion, the Рeople of Great Britain must be consistent in their pursuit of security. If he has elected politicians who, under the pretext of "public safety", pass laws that limit the length of knives, he should oblige those politicians to also pass a law that limits the length of penises. After all, any man is a potential rapist because he has a penis. This follows the same "logic" that anyone who carries a knife is a potential killer.
Just double checked my two EDC knives. My SAK comes in well under 3 inches. But my Spyderco UKPK is bang on 3 inches. Not even a human hair to waste. While I releived, I hate our weapons laws and self defense laws.
Great, informative video, I have always carried a knife, swiss army, most of the time, with the relevant bits on it for what I'm doing, work, camping, biking, to learn how much I am possibly in breach of the law makes me uncomfortable and unhappy, I have a little bibury pocket multi-tool that has a box cutting blade a pair of scissors, bottle opener, flat and phillips head driver and a two sided file, it's just under 3 inches as complete unit, but has a locking mechanism, (which is great) that works for every bit on the thing, I'll have to modify it to carry it, it will not be as safe to use because it could, (I've had more than one 'uk legal' knife unsafely fold on me whilst using) fold up and harm me. Madness! But then when the lunatics had taken over running the asylum, they thought we all should be using crayons!
The law hasn't changed, in the case of Brooker v DPP, he was carrying a 10cm blade. The law prohibits an article which "has a blade or is sharply pointed EXCEPT a folding pocketknife". The blade he was carrying was not a folding pocketknife and hence was illegal. It wasn't sharp, but still legally a blade. The definition of a folding pocketknife still states that the CUTTING EDGE cannot exceed 3".
i don't mind the limit on blade length. I hate the facts that i cant lock a blade open for my own safety.
I have to agree. 3 to 3.5 inches is fine. It's the perfect EDC size. The locking / non-locking means nothing.
If you need a locking blade though just use one. It's illegal to carry freely in public, it's not illegal to use one.
When I go hunting, I take a large fixed blade knife to deal with my quarry. There is nothing prohibiting you from using one.
When I'm going to the shops, I carry a non-locking blade and it's never been an issue and isn't illegal. :/
I couldn't agree more. I have plenty of lovely fixed blade knives that are only just over that length but my little Mora Eldris has a tiny blade but is a wonderful knife with a greate blade and a comfortable handle, safe to use and fits in the pocket beautifully......but it's an illegal blade, MENTAL!
The thing that these law makers forget is that if I'm a criminal I don't care about legality so I'll take an illegal knife out with me but as a person that wants an EDC tool, something like the Eldris would be wonderful, even if they want to put a 3inch limit in place
@@jaysee2213 The thing you forget though is that everybody is a law abiding citizen until they are not. Without laws, they wouldn't be criminals.
@@lmaoroflcopter okay, so someone that is carrying a knife as a weapon doesn't care what they're carrying. Someone like us that EDC a tool, we do care about the law but the law is silly when the tool is made less useful and more dangerous to the user
I carry a folding locking knife at all times , when I'm out and about . It gets used for allsorts of jobs . Even when I'm wearing just a t shirt , you would never know that I was carrying a knife...... I've only once had to show it for self defence purposes , when some little tough guy thought that he was going to play the big man ..... soon changed his mind... ;-) . I refuse to be put in danger because some official jobsworth type says it's 'illegal' . ...... Always remember people , the police are NOT there to serve you or I !.....
dude where do you hide it? and put some trousers on jeeze lol
@@SoSimonSays Bloody comedian lol..... I carry it in a 'sideways' pouch on my belt ..... that's why it's not easily visible .
Ermmm. Not sure that's a particularly clever thing.
Cool so at any point you could end up in jail for factually breaking the law. Wonderfully moronic.
Government don't want you to be able to defend yourselves against them.
Having heard about this interpretation of UK law sometime last year (i.e. full blade length rather than cutting edge) it made me re-check some of my favourite “UK Legal” carries, which highlighted that the very popular Boker Plus XS could lead to problems if challenged. Very much err on the side of caution now and tend to stick with a Victorinox (or occasionally my Manly Wasp or Twisted Assisted Junzi if a more substantial blade is required). Surely this confusing situation should have been clarified some time ago on official Government sites, ridiculous that it hasn’t been!!
In Germany that was always the interpretation for the blade length.. which kinda makes sense if you think about stabbing..
But thankfully blade length limitations only apply to Fixed Blades here.
@@stevenarmstrong6622 In Germany the laws make zero sense either. You can carry a locking blade, or a non-locking one-handed opening blade, but not a one-handed opening locking blade, so no Leatherman Wave for example, but the Rebar is fine. Yet you can carry a fixed bladed knife up to 12cm blade length I think? The 12cm fixed blade is more readily deployable than the one-handed opening locking knife. Even more absurd, German forces personnel can't carry their issue Soldier 08 off duty, Swiss can.
@@simonh6371 it's not only about deployment, but also about concealment.. same reason why it's relatively easy to get a rifle here, compared to pistols.
you won't surprise someone with a fixed blade on your belt..
But with an otf in your pocket it's a different story.
funny thing is the definition of blade is "the flat cutting edge of a knife", so the sharp bit, the law may say one thing but the thing with law is they are perfect with their definitions, they have to be, therefore, the law is wrong sorta because the sharp bit is the blade, the choil and the rest by definition is not part of the blade, you could technically have a 100cm knife (dagger/short sword) but only 3 inches of the tip is sharp and it would be legal by definition
Like most of our laws,concocted by asses!
While the criminals do as they like against us!
The law in the UK is totally absurd
Laws like these either dont prevent crime or they increase it and that is then self-sustaining for the law because then people can say, "Look how bad it is even with these restrictive laws, imagine how bad itd be without the laws," and then the laws never go away.
@@joejones9520 As people have pointed out, criminals will do what they like, but if they are caught with sawn-off, machete, etc. the existing laws will allow them to be arrested. The offensive weapons laws allow that, but they are also intended to try to prevent a law abiding citizen lashing out when provoked. There are plenty of examples of fist fights that would be much worse if the participants had knives. I also wonder how many recent knife deaths were because the assailant was carrying a knife for "self-defence"? I believe that kids caught with knives give fear of knife crime as a reason - just as Americans carry guns because they are afraid of guns. I don't carry a gun because I am not afraid of a neighbour with a gun losing his temper. (Yes, I know there are criminals with guns, but our stats are still way lower than the USA. The idea that some kid got shot just for knocking on the wrong door chills me to the bone - when I was a kid, that was a common game, not a death sentence.) While I do agree that British law is often illogical and inconsistent, I do feel safer knowing that most people are not going to be carrying knives at all and those who do aren't carrying K-Bars or something. Any regulation at all is going to annoy someone, but allowing everyone to carry anything - as some people argue - just makes it easier for the criminals to do so openly.
@@charleshayes2528 really hung up on this huh?
@@joejones9520 you want to see hat a free for all just look at the USA , do you fancy they gun laws ?
Ive been plagued with this problem for a while. Carried a viper dan 1 for years. Which the difference between blade lenghth vs cutting edge is enough of a difference to take it over the limit hence i dont carry it anymore and is now an expensive paper weight 😑
Yes the UK laws around weapons are really dumb. Let me quote an example.
My boss a British Army Major bought his own handgun, in Germany. He stored the weapon in a British Army armory. Also in the armory where weapons from 9mm pistols, Sub Machine Guns, Firing Needles (120mm tank gun firing mechanism). He applied to the local police to bring the pistol back to the UK, again storing in the armory. He was denied by the local police chief, but remember he could still order out 60 Main Battle Tanks, guns front, with full ammunition loads on board.
The scary thing is with 3d home manufacturing I can print my own gun, no traceability.The politicians have legislated themselves in to irrelevancy.
Controversial, I know: European gun laws and knife carry laws have been steadily dwindling as immigration has risen. I didnt think much of it some 25 years ago, however, studying the timeframes - mass influx of foreigners and close onset of new permanent laws and regulations, dating back since the 70s in my case(not UK) has coencided. Some spasms in prohibition has coencided with news headlined violence. The Rambo1 knife was perfectly legal(very expensive) until a refugee stabbed a mass of people in a confined space. The police deemed the knife as the main threat and the refugee as an individual in need of care.(he also had a long history of mental illness and emotional instability)
I'm an avid knife collector.
But I personally, I see no reason whatsoever to carry a knife , unless it's for work.
The problem is that it's spoilt by idiot's.
Do NOT live your life sanctioned by useless idiot politicians. If you are a law abiding citizen, exercise your right to freedom. That’s all I’m saying on the matter of stupid laws made by stupid people who only care about grandstanding and being ‘seen’ to do something.
100% common sense brother 🤜🤛
If the government gave a hoot about the Law this legislation wouldnever have been allowed because it undermines vital legal principles. Firstly it is a thought crime ie based upon the (ludicrous) supposition that if you carry a knife it is with the intention of committing a crime. Secondly, you are automatically presumed guilty of that invented "crime" - you cannot appeal it by protesting your innocence of any such crime. When basic principles of Justice are ignored by lawmakers the entire culture has a serious problem - with the criminality of its government and the corruption of its judiciary.
interesting. originally from the UK, now in the US. i was just in a hardware store down the street from my cabin in north georgia buying a firearm (handgun) and there are tons of families wondering around looking at shotguns, rifles, powertools. there is one little kid, maybe 8-10 ? with his siblings and parents, open carrying a 6 inch bowie knife like it was a matchbox car. different world. safe to say, in north georgia we dont have a "knife" or "gun" problem. we go about our days risk free from "yobs" as they dont exist here, darwin takes care of the issue.
It's crazy the differences between the two countries. I feel common sense left the UK when Blair took over. Mainly it's personal responsibility. Most Britons are happy to be spoon fed by the government. I'd move to the US tomorrow if I could. Out in the sticks where I am we have little to no issues, but, Manchester, Birmingham, Liverpool, London and may be Nottingham make up most of the government figures in the UK now. Scotland, Wales and N Ireland have similar issues but at much lower levels. I guarantee most of these wannabe gangsters would think twice of mugging somebody if they know they were carrying too. The government is only interested in dealing with the knee jerk issues 'let's ban knives rather than dealing with lawlessness, fatherless homes and poverty'. I follow the new on the US quite a bit and see you have similar issues there 'Let's ban AR15s rather than dealing with negative cultures, mental health issues and the root course'
The world is going down hill quickly. Luckily we countryfolk get to stay at arms length. Hope you're well Paul and had a cracking Chrimbo & NY
@@MoorlanderEDC there are some crazy gov types in DC. doubt AR15s will get banned etc, too many in common use, which is part of the constitution, 'common use'. it would be like banning transit vans. when i am, you go out in your yard, mag dump an AR15, no cop cars show up. sheriff is only 2 miles down the road. gun shots are normal, crime is no where.
yep, UK knife legal things hard work, I even had to defend serrations to BBB...
Seriously? What was their issues with the serration
@@MoorlanderEDC BBB used terms of Zombie knife to implicate a legal carry can't have serrations on . I put it to him that serrations were needed on general purpose blades for a range of tasks, and climbing rope when abseiling,,,but I think there are those in legal areas who take a sneering distaste to teeth/serrations so I defend them wherever, whenever
@@WessexBladesHandMadeKnives He's read the law wrong then lol. Serrations are one defining characteristic of zombie knives but only if other characteristics are present too. A normal serrated balded knife is not a zombie knife.
Here is the definition from the Offensive Weapons Act 2019: ''the weapon sometimes known as a “zombie knife”, “zombie killer knife” or “zombie slayer knife”, being a blade with-
(i)a cutting edge;
(ii)a serrated edge; and
(iii)images or words (whether on the blade or handle) that suggest that it is to be used for the purpose of violence''
The ''and'' at the end of (ii) means that ALL THREE characteristics together make something a zombie knife. Because otherwise just a cutting edge too would make all knives zombie knives lol.
BBB has gone right down in my estimation, he's clearly barely literate. I won't be watching any of his vids again.
Is it legal to buy and own a karambit, if you keep them in your home and do not take them out in public. In the UK??
Yes, a karambit is legal to purchase and own in private. There's a list from the government of knives that are just straight up illegal. It's very similar to a lot of countries around the world - www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
Thank you for the information mate, you got a new subscriber👍
@@jammy86 You're more than welcome buddy. Always glad to help 👍
So would a full tang knife, non-folding, still be legal to carry, or must it be a folding blade?
Would the knife blade ‘material’ that’s continues under the scales still be counted as part of the blade length?
A full tang non-locking knife is perfectly legal to carry if its a chef's knife and you're walking to work... Or a bushcraft knife and you're a bushcraft instructor... Or its a room for your profession. Definitely not if you're out on a Saturday for a few drinks with the boys
I carry the Lansky Madrock......it has a very stiff slip joint, and it's quite robust.
You can't possess anything with the intention of protecting yourself, even if that's a teaspoon. We've all got to play this little game that a knife is for anything other than defending yourself
Now... hypothetically speaking, if you were walking down the street and were attacked but happened to find a cosh on the floor, perfectly placed and timed, and you were to pick it up to defend yourself.... that's fine 😆🖖
All my folding knives are under 3 inches blade length, apart from a work 1 , & they are all locking mech , I've had 1 close on me while d.i.y-ing & it was not pleasant. I'm 46 years old & guess how many times I've used a knife to stab someone??
Crazy isn't it. There's a certain type of person who truly believes that knives swarm around inner cities attacking people
I Cary a fix blade knife with me as a EDC it is just under 3inch what will the law be on fixed blade please
I don't at all like the knife laws or any of the weapons laws in the UK. I live in the US in upstate New York. Not to be confused with the Burroughs comprising New York City. Our knife laws are basically everything goes except switch blades and martial arts weapons and paraphernalia. Oh yea, you can carry a switchblade if you are hunting or fishing. But any length. Locking, fixed blade, folding, concealed or not is ok.
Maybe someone should point out that locking blades are a safety feature.
Unpopular opinion I know, but if you brought back the hangman and turned him loose on murderers and attempted murderers again, you'd have a lot less of them and a lot less need for these kinds of laws restricting law abiding citizens from carrying good tools around with them.
Well... there is an argument that the sentencing is too easy. There's very little to deter people from carrying knives. If the punishment was 20 years in prison plus chemical castration, the figures would halve over night
So can I own any sort of knife is my private property or house.?
Kind of. There is an official list of 'illegal knives' that are just straight up illegal to own. Switch blades, gravity knives, spiral knives, butterfly knives etc. Outside of that list you can own anything in your own home
@@MoorlanderEDC Thanks
I think what makes it more complicated is that it used to say about the folding blade length. If you use the Wayback Machine and go to the page from March 2021 it reads;
'Basic laws on knives
It’s illegal to:
sell a knife to anyone under 18, unless it has a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62 cm) or less
carry a knife in public without good reason, unless it has a folding blade with a cutting edge 3 inches long or less
carry, buy or sell any type of banned knife
use any knife in a threatening way (even a legal knife)'
Then if you look at the same page from April 2022 it reads;
'Basic laws on knives
It’s illegal to possess a banned knife or weapon. It’s also illegal to:
bring into the UK, sell, hire, lend or give someone a banned knife or weapon
carry any knife in public without good reason, unless it has a manual folding blade less than 3 inches long
sell a knife to anyone under the age of 18, unless it has a manual folding blade less than 3 inches long
use any knife in a threatening way'
Now it mentions about the cutting edge so I think this potentially makes this even more complicated. For reference'
web.archive.org/web/20210324181550/www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
web.archive.org/web/20220403162733/www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
It's crazy that they can't keep their message straight as I found this page today that still mentions cutting edge.
Ps. I always wonder how to find the sites from the past. I'll 100% be using this more in future. Thanks DT 👍
They need to recognise simply dog walking as a good enough reason to carry an EDC knife.
Because with all of these Bulldog attacks, it's borderline impossible to stop one unless you've competed in world's strongest man.
Issue with that is using it for defence is NEVER a valid reason
You could argue that if you had a locking knife on you then you’d be more inclined to use it, however, if you want to stab someone or slash someone, obviously a kitchen knife makes far more sense. It’s a shame because I’d love to EDC a Benchmade 940 or a Bugout.
Edit: you could easily carry a locked knife, just don’t get caught. I don’t and I wouldn’t advise it but I should imagine people do
"Museum...ists" 😂
The English language is constantly evolving 😆
Carry a backpack with a steel plate in it. Large blunt stab proof things are good in a knife fight. At home I have a pickaxe handle that has no sharpened edges but extends my reach by 3+ feet. The UK laws are beyond ridiculous, I assume most are to try and stop druggy kids killing each other. If the parents were held to account more it would help.
A politician said about 20 years ago that societal issues as strongly linked to the break down in the family unit. It's rare (if not never) that I agree with politicians
@@MoorlanderEDC we then get into a scary debate that there are rules for everything other than who can have kids. Id introduce a citizenship qualification in schools that if passed entitles you to free NHS care, benefits etc.. Nowadays little poppets live a consequence free life.
@@truthdragon7719 I'm harsh in my views. There's too many career baby factories out there sponging off the Nanny State. Two kids and your benefits are fine. Any more kids and you only get the benefits for the first two. I only have two kids. I also feel you should get extra benefits if you're in a full time working job (child tax credits for working families for both parents who are together). There needs to be a reason to get a job and stick with two kids. If you want more, that's fine, but I'm not paying for you to live a work free life and half a dozen welfare sponges. This might be a conversation for another video 🤣🤣🤣
@@truthdragon7719 I also think every operation, A&E admission, doctor appointment should have a standard £5.00 fee. When you see the doctor and the dectir says its a real case, or you see an A&E nurse and they agree you should have come to A&E you get your £5 back. No more knobs calling an ambulance for a tooth ache, visiting A&E for a blister in the ankle. Would really help with stupid people
@@MoorlanderEDC I very much agree with both your points. I think a lot of people think similarly. I would have also happily paid say £30 for each of my covid jabs.
i live in england and i agree, the knife laws are stupid, we arent allowed the locking safety feature and we arent even allowed to defend ourselves at all, otherwise we get punished. good vid btw
Thanks Soup. What annoys me is you're not allowed to carry something for defensive reasons. Carrying a brick to defend yourself is illegal... Get attacked and pick a brick up to defend yourself and that is legal (as long as the brick is none locking and less than 3 inches 🤣)
If some psycho attacked me I'm meant to run away and hope I can run faster than them
@Moorlander EDC
In the U.K we're just a bunch of running chopping boards to machete men these days...chances are if you did defend yourself like you said you'd probably get in more trouble, lol.
Also let's be honest, if you are looking to hurt people you are not going to say hold on please while I get my probably maximum 5inch folding blade locking or not out of your pocket.
The majority of stabbings are done with a mother's kitchen knife if they let us EDC/bushcraft guys carry whatever size locking/non locking in public they'd still have the same amount of stabbings as we're not the ones putting them in other humans.
As ever here though....only takes a few idiots ruin it for the masses.
Love your chopping board with legs analogy 😂 pretty much sums it up
@@MoorlanderEDC Haha...I'm glad we can share a laugh about one of our crap laws mate. 🤣
You are a top man with top content. 👍
England is a proper noun, and is written with a capital E. Thankyou, that will be all.
Apparently 74% of knives used in UK knife crime are Domestic Kitchen Knives , so the ban on locking blades does absolutely nothing
Correct. The other 20% are things like screw drivers, chisles, and box opener blades. It's a joke. None of the laws we have today have stopped knife crime... And it's increasing day to day. Nobody is addressing why these youths are carrying knives
I belive the locking part was meant to legislate against box cutters and stanley type blades. It was just badly worded.
And by the same logic, machine guns are very rarely used to commit murder in this country, so they should not be illegal.
@@paulinequinton1478 That’s completely different logic and makes zero sense.
A useful tool used daily for legitimate purposes by millions of people is very different from a weapon designed to be as lethal as possible to as many people as possible.
And I say this as someone who thinks of shooting as the only sport I've ever been interested in. Access should be possible for such purposes, but general availability of such a weapon would not be sensible.
@@paulinequinton1478
nonce
Knife laws are silly in England. I was born in the late ‘60’s and it was common place to have a knife for your 13 birthday. A lot of my mates including me, had Airguns on our 14th birthdays.
Going back to knives, it was common place for people to walk around with sheath knives on your belt, if you were off down the woods with your mates, or off to Scouts on a camp.
I’m a gardener now, and I sometimes walk around carrying a full size machete,obviously on my way to or from work.
But everyday, I carry a knife, as I see it as a useful tool.
They are just handy to have.
All the best.👍🏾🇬🇧
As I was born in the 1950s, I would beg to differ, slightly. Yes, Scouts could wear knives in camp and in uniform - including going on parade, etc., and you could obviously use your knife in the woods. However, a solo scout travelling on the bus would not be in quite the same circumstances and I am pretty sure you would have to have the knife secured until the event, itself. Now, I accept that there would be many situations where you could get away with wearing a knife on the way to the local woods or whatever, but the basic application of the law was not that different.
Having been born in the US and recently spending half of my years in Europe/UK I find it rather stupid that y'all can't do what is described above anymore . when I was growing up (2000's-early 2010's) it was rather normal to have a knife at 10, and a pellet gun at 12. I hope Y'all's laws get better as while we have our own problems in the US, I can see the cracks forming in your systems as well.
@keegan v laws in the UK rarely change or get revoked in favour of less restriction. They typically remain forever like Bill of Rights 1689 or Coronation Act 1688.
Alternatively, they reword to be more widespread application (definition changes) or its superceded by a more controlling act of legislation than before.
Which is what was being pointed out above your comment how it was, (there was law there then, it just was not as strict and oppressive), the laws now BAN before they were more advice/guidance, and laws in the UK only get more restrictive, there will NEVER be a repealing of the knives, bladed instruments of offensive weapons acts, these will only continue to be tightened as ever more politicians seek to leave their name on "protection" law creation logs.
90% of these laws do not stop the crime they intend to stop when first envisioned.
It is simple logic. To think a criminal who intends to carry a knife in an urban street with the purpose of "self-defence" is not concerned about an act of law prohibiting such an act of carrying it.
How is this conclusion arrived at? Well, the act of wounding, murder, manslaughter etc already exist in law and even the dimmest idiots know killing or wounding another person is a criminal act, yet these youths still take a knife before the ban to do such injury, so adding a punishment does nothing to prevent the crime. It is only reported in that light.
Police and media will say that X number knives were seized and taken off the streets, but these did not "prevent crime" they theoretically prevented crime. Its a play on words because the crime needs to be taking place to be prevented, going equipped (burglary) was created for this reason, as a preventative crime because until the burglary was in or attempting entry there was no crime taking place to stop.
So knife law was introduced to provide the same comparable offence as with the burglary crimes, that of being equipped (a crime of intention to commit a later crime).
It is not stopping a crime of knife crime it is a knife crime by the fact the law made it a crime.
Making sense?
This is why it won't get better.
Govts only know how to restrict rights, freedoms, and privileges, the govt is not about creating freedom or enabling choice.
That is why we have taxes, to enforce payment to the state,
And income tax was set up to pay for war with France and Napoleon in the late 1700's, by 1816 Income tax was abolished and was defeated in the house of commons by just 37 votes, however govt being what it is in 1842 the income taxes were reintroduced and have never been voted upon again. Except to make them more widespread or higher percentages of incomes taken.
The original taxes were from 1 to 10% of incomes today they are 20 to 40% of incomes, that is, not an inflationary rise, that's greed. The % rates have increased, thus increasing the amount charged.
Sorry I digress, my point is, govt makes laws and only ever tightens them like a noose, they never release (repeal) them to give freedom.
@@keeganv5816 this country is pathetic and it's people more so. God bless America.
my grandad gave me a knife at about 13-14ish, that was about a decade ago, cheap little no brand thing but I treasure it more than multi-hundred pound knives
In Tasmania we are not allowed to legally carry any knife, not even a SAK or a Leatherman. The list of valid reasons for carrying is not a long one. A lot of the population are rural and bush people, it makes no sense when the criminals do as they please anyway, no matter what the law says! The laws only restrict the people that would never use a knife for the wrong reasons...
Honestly am surprised the UK is not the same. Although alot of people here will argue that you can't carry any knive because either they are uneducated on the law. I've had so many people say I'll still get charged if am searched and my UKPK is found. I may still get taken to the station if the police are uneducated but once I got charged for having a tiny lockback and the officer said if it didn't lock I would of been fine!
Whow , shocked. Not even a Leatherman!!! I work in a factory in the UK. I use it a lot it's problem solving tool , we have Martor retractable safety box knives at work also , just not so handy .
lol Starting to understand law yet, its not for you its for them
pretty much the same in Norway
True, this is said so often that there is no way the law-makers havent heard it so Im starting to think they dont care and are using every tactic possible to disarm the citizenry, the mass of any population is law-abiding so naturally the laws will always affect the majority. Once the majority is disarmed then they can move in an eliminate the criminals who are still armed and then you have a totally compliant society like in any communist country from history.
A while ago my colleague's son was run through with a sword in a pub. Luckily he survived.
One thing that BBB mentioned recently that even if you have a legal carry knife and are stopped and searched, the police will try everything in the book to make you admit that the knife could be used as a weapon. Never agree with them on this and never ever say " self defence" or "personal protection ".
Great vid. Thanks.
I spotted that too. Especially asking "could this be used as a weapon" and then taking them if you say yes. I have the utmost respect for the Boys and Girls in Blue however that's a wee bit under hand
you are legally allowed to carry a sword if its more than 100 years old or if the blade is curved and less than 50cm, weird right
@@SoSimonSays Nope. You are not allowed to carry a sword in public without good reason. I have a couple of Kukri that are almost certainly over 100 years old and under 50 cm, but I wouldn't risk carrying them "in public". I would have no problem buying such a blade and taking it home - if it was wrapped up and secured in a bag or case and out of sight - but not openly on the street, unless there were some event where it was reasonable to do so.
@@charleshayes2528 yeah well the law says otherwise
@@charleshayes2528 Banned knives and weapons
If a knife or weapon is listed in the following table, it’s illegal to:
possess it
bring it into the UK
sell or hire it out
lend or give it to someone
There are some legal exemptions. For example, knives and weapons which are over 100 years old are exempt, except for flick knives. If you want advice on exemptions, contact your local police or get legal advice.
Copied from .gov
I lost faith in this countrys laws a very long time ago. It seems like the law is charging into the abyss. I hope that they eventually see reason but i doubt it.
Everything they do is "against us"!
Live in the UK, personally the real danger is from shop bought kitchen knives those are cheap easy to obtain, while I believe a knife is a tool to be used as such its the intent that makes the line squiffy, I also love to be able to carry a locking blade simply for its safety for the user
Agreed. More stabbings have happened from knives bought from Asda, Tesco, Sainsburys etc than anywhere else. I watches some footage today of gangs of youths with machetes from the likes of Wish.com
@@MoorlanderEDC There was a fight between some blokes here over a weed grow a couple of months ago and the police were easily able to get the cctv of them all, 30 minutes before they killed the guy, stopping off in Sainsbury's to buy a large kitchen knife each. :facepalm:
I'm a Disabled British War Pensioner and I remember when I was being taught about Weapons, the Instructor said "a Firearm is an inanimate object, just like a ballpoint pen! It's the person who wields the firearm or ballpoint pen.... That has the capacity to do great damage!" One of the guys asked "surely a Firearm can do far more damage than a Ballpoint pen?" And the instructor replied "not necessarily! Look at the politicians who wield ballpoint pens to put their signature on foolish bills of law, and damage all of our lives!!!! We don't outlaw ballpoint pens... We blame the Politicians!!! Why don't we do the same thing with firearms?" The same thing applies to blades, it's irrational and made up by foolish Politicians.... Let Responsibility and Freedoms be granted to Responsible, Free British Citizens... And punish the fools who are Irresponsible and use the inanimate object to cause harm!! Don't punish me for the acts of others!! These restrictions damage my way of life!!🤬🤬🤬🤬
That's such a fitting lesson. It's as true then as it is now. Thanks for sharing this. I hope you're well and having a cracking week 🍻
...I mean... no .
A knife is a genuine tool, used for construction or art or maintenance or just basic survival tasks like food and firewood prep, shelters etc.. None of those involve harm, and you can ALSO use it for hunting and killing, which do. But a gun cannot be used for anything *else*. It's a weapon or an intimidation, and that's all it is. A gun is a tool, sure, but its a tool only for violence or intimidating violence into stopping. Guns are only tools if people & animals are objects. And people & animals are not objects. Soldiers are not primarily craftsmen or tradesmen and we make damn sure they see the enemy as objects not people because their job, ultimately, is to kill folk. That's not something everyone can do and I have much respect for everything our armed forces have to go through physically and mentally - but there's really no point pretending otherwise.
So a gun is a weapon, and it is only a weapon. That's all it can ever be. It's not a 'tool' except by twisting the meaning a fair bit, there's a reason we invented the concept of 'weapon' being a classification. A knife or axe is both a tool and a weapon. A gun is just a weapon. A sword or mace is just a weapon.
Guns are also FUN, don't get me wrong - I don't know why folk have to insist on 'defence' and 'protection' arguments you can just say "me like when boomstick go boom," and that's... totally fine and honest? I *also* like when boomstick go boom and I'd really love to be able to experience that without jumping through every hoop the law can throw at me and still maybe get told no. And I'm a bloody good instinctive shot with a longarm, it turns out, so it would be nice to hone that skill just for *fun*. FWIW I'm worthless with a pistol. Got to be a longarm!
UK knife law (and various other laws we have) are so restrictive on personal freedom as to be frankly counter to the human experience, and I'd like gun ownership to not be something so out of reach for folk as to make the only guns in the country to exist on the black market or farmer's land...: but the guns vs knives argument is comparing apples and oranges.
The principle of the lesson is absolutely fine - what truly matters is the behaviour not the tool, but the idea that a gun is 'just' a tool is a fantasy cooked up by the military & gun industry.
My Chinese Kung Fu teacher in China town London showed us once how in Hong Kong they use biros to seriously hurt people, especially if struck in the windpipe
@@joseywales3789 It's fountain pens politicians use, so ballpoints should be legal
I'm 76 so remember when I was at school in the 1950's and 60's we HAD to have a knife to sharpen our Technical Drawing pencils. I never knew anyone who had a knife problem, never saw a knife fight. This has all been brought upon us by a certain sector of the population that we cannot even name for obvious reasons. You can make all the laws you want, these people will carry what they wish and are prepared to use them. Just this week 9 of these people were jailed for murder in Nottingham.
Simon Ellis of History Debunked has a lot to say on this topic, well worth watching.
If I'm right in saying, I think Nottingham has one of highest knife crime issues. The issues really comes from the fact that the vast majority of those knives are kitchen knives. My running buddy work for the police and they're trying to work with youths on not carrying knives and moving out of that gang culture. We were talking about deterrents. The feedback they've had from youngsters are there are no deterrents to stop them. They just don't care at all. Doing a few years in prison only adds to their street cred. One of the main statistics is these kids come from single parent family without a role model to shepherd them to be good adults. The cure for this knife crime runs deeper than naughty kids.
I'll check out the Simon Ellis content. Thanks for the heads up
I'm from the countryside in the 70s/80s where we had/access to guns nevermind knives, as kids/teens. In the Cubs you'd have a pen-knife & in the Scouts a 6" sheath knife. Scalpels for Airfix kits, etc. Literally everyone carried all the time because there's always something that needs a knife/tool. No one ever pulled one on another person nevermind cut/stabbed them even when having actual fights. Moved to a City & things are slightly different. The kids are alright but there's predatory/violent adults now that as a small kid you really have no defence against if you don't even get the opportunity to [easily] outrun them. I worked as a paper-boy for a few years and there were a few of us to cover all the rounds back then. One evening one of them was grabbed by some bloke & molested on his round. The other lads didn't fancy taking it on but I wasn't bothered because I always carried my great-grandfathers WW1 bayonet in my paper bag. Blunt as fuck [used as a fire poker for years before it was given to me] but no one suddenly on the other end of it knows that. Saved my ass too. Saw off two big blokes with it who were following me and talking about what they could do to me if they felt like it, right up until the point where I pulled it out and waved it at them. Fuck the law. Always carry and hope the jury aren't cunts.
Very similar here. I grew up in a small rural town a stones throw from Alton Towers. I had a knife from a young age. Cutting rope, tree branches etc to make bases in the woods. My childhood was like a Northern version of an Enid Blighton book 😁 that's what kids did in the 80s. I've watched so many videos of these gangs and they're all carrying Wish.com or Ali Express machetes, or knives from Tesco. We're expected to walk around with nothing to defend ourselves waiting for the next mad person to attack us
Good on ya im the same, a "criminal", fuck the law (not all many are good but you get the point) if its unjust its your moral duty to disobey.
You mean 'arse' (silent 'r'), not 'ass' unless you're American. In English, as used in England and the rest of the UK, an 'ass' is a small, usually grey, long-eared animal of the horse genus; 'arse' is the buttocks. Therefore you should have said: 'saved my arse'.
Interestingly, the English form 'arse' is now rare in North America, where in later use 'ass' (originally a regional and colloquial pronunciation variant of arse, with assimilatory loss of 'r') became the usual North American equivalent.
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@@MoorlanderEDC One of the greatest quotes of all time ... " If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim that can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore, what he must be taught to fear is his victim."
...................When seconds count, police are minutes away..............
@@MoorlanderEDC I should get a gun if I were you. Ar15? Uzi? Then you would be safe. How many mad people do you know?
I'm so sorry out brothers in the uk are being choked by laws on blades. Move to America.
Yep, we've made a rod for our own back allowing politicians to make these laws. Funnily enough, I was watching some content on how open the southern border is. I might take you up on that offer. I guarantee I'll be an amazing US citizen. Thanks for watching buddy. Happy 4th
@MoorlanderEDC brother just walk across or use the app. And we can buy any blade ,sidearm or rifle. Love to have ya.
Great video, always good to be up to date with the idiotic laws regarding an EDC knife. I really do despair..... A knife is a tool, I use one everyday i'm at work. "What its a 3 inch LOCKING blade? You must be a psychopath! Hellbent on the destruction of mankind!!"
Yep. You'd think people imagine groups of knives walking around the streets unattended
I'm from Wisconsin, USA and to be quite honest I find knife laws to be ridiculous. I see a knife as a tool, I carry a liner locking Kershaw Filter and a Victorinox Pioneer X. Sometimes when out doing yard work, hiking, etc I carry a Mora HD Companion. These are simply tools that get used for cutting, slicing, opening and fixing whatever may need fixing. As far as being used as weapons, a screwdriver, kitchen knife, hammer, even a pencil can be used to cause injury or death. Knife laws punish law abiding citizens, criminals don't care or think about locks or blade length. They will use whatever knife they want, laws be damned.
I’m from WI too!
As a Czech who lives in England I was quite surprised when I found out that the knife I carried around for a year was actually illegal to carry around here. We have no laws on cold weapons in Czechia, and I absolutely agree that I see it as a tool, rather than a weapon, and the regulations are just ridiculous
i have a lil spyderco grasshopper in my wallet, people in the uk arent used to people edc, so when a small cake needed cutting up and everyone goes awwww, i pull out my knife and everyone freaks out, why have you got a knife, erm for situations like this!!!!!! lol obviously for all sorts but in the uk most just arent used to it
@@SoSimonSays I know. When I say we should get rid of the knife regulation in England they all go crazy and think everyone will stab each other. They can't sell you scissors until you are 18 and show them ID. This country is a mess in its regulations
@@janhejcman & because scissors are so dangerous they come in blister packs that... wait for it... require scissors or a very sharp knife to open! You couldn't make it up :D
I use a knife every day with my job. It's always in my pocket and always in use. It is great to know that our government has our best interests at heart and knife crime has dropped to zero so thank you government of the day!
I think about the history of blades in all of these countries and it’s ridiculous that you’re so restricted now. In Japan, for instance, I think you can get in trouble for a Swiss Army knife. Just insane to me. Sad. Criminals will never care about laws anyway.
Very true 🤜🤛
All our savage guests are ruining it for us sensible people who have a hobby ,
Criminals don't care about the subtle distinction between blade length and cutting edge length. Law abiding citizens should be able to carry whatever they want to defend themselves.
We can use anything HANDY to defend ourselves against a lethal attack . So much is being said we are not allowed to use lethal force but that is NOT TRUE .
Criminals are most likely to grab a kitchen knife and how do you stop that?
@@jamesrichardson8488 With a Glock 19X.
That is the argument of the US gun lobby and the result is a huge death toll from gun use - some of it from "criminals" but a lot from legal users who decide to shoot their neighbour for knocking on the wrong door or turning into the wrong driveway. I am not denying the use of guns by criminals, but by and large most of the mass shootings/school shootings aren't carried out by criminals. Secondly, if law abiding citizens carry whatever they want, then how do you stop the criminals from carrying the same things, openly, in the guise of being law abiding. At present, someone carrying a banned weapon or a restricted weapon without excuse is already a criminal - quite apart from intent. If anyone can carry anything it becomes harder for the police to prevent crime, they can only catch someone after they use their "legal" weapon. While weapon laws/knife laws in the UK are stupid, we are generally free from the universal fear of guns that exists in the USA. I accept that the majority of people who use knives are sensible, but the law has to restrict those who are not sensible. We restrict who can drive, or vote, or drink and we expect those who practice medicine to be trained. I see no problem with having some restrictions on dangerous objects.
@@charleshayes2528 A Spyderco Delica is not a dangerous object. It is a tool to be used for every day carry. Also, remember it was U.S. guns and U.S. men that saved England and the rest of the world in 1944.
The vast majaority of incidents involving knife crime in the UK involve common kitchen knives and not the sort of knife targeted by these ridiculous laws. Putting that aside the establishment still cannot get thier head around the fact that criminals "Do Not" follow the law, they break the law as a matter of course. So no amount of regulations are realistically going to have much effect.
That's exactly the sort of knife being targeted by this law....??? By curtailing what we can carry (to sub-3-inch folders), we are excluding the types of knives we can't carry (kitchen knives).
We are living in an increasingly nanny state ,
It’s all a load of bollocks anyway. If your a bad man carrying a knife for no good, you don’t care about the laws anyway. Only hurts us dudes who love knives and wanna use them for edc doins
Agreed. No modern knives laws are stopping the knife crime in inner cities
Everybody is a good guy until they aren't :/
@Moorlander EDC that's somewhat naive. Without law nothing would be illegal. They wouldn't be criminals, knife crime wouldn't exist.
The laws arent a perfect counter to knife crime, but they enable people to be prosecuted for it and add aggravating circumstances to any charges brought against the person.
I wouldn't say naïve 😆 I definitely agree that we need knife laws. We need them to show we have a standard or what we expect from citizens, however, criminals all fall outside of those laws. If you take the US for example and the differing gun ownership laws through the different States. All the data proves that States that have incredibly tight laws on carrying a firearm on average have the highest figures for violent crime and gun deaths. Chicago is a shine example of this... whereas States that have the closest rights to the Second Amendment and freedom to carry a fire arm on average have the least amount of violent crimes and murders by guns. These are readily available figures, and facts the media are refusing to report on. Now, I'm not saying we allow claymores and samurais (although that would be very cool in deed) but none of the knife laws we have here have prevent a stabbing in the inner cities. It's either a societal issue (which I feel it is as these youngsters feel they need to carry a knife to be safe) or it's something else
@@lmaoroflcopter stats show that most people are law-abiding all their lives regardless of rules they are under, the vast majority could carry machine guns and still would never use them.
When a government and a monarchy begin to fear the people, this tells you everything you need to know about their legitimacy. Walk tall and don't carry a sharpened pencil in your pocket.
there more worried about the statistics of knife crime, London for example.
@@jamesrichardson8488then london should have its own fucking laws. Why should i be banned from owning or carrying things up in the mountains of wales because of londons statistics? Boils my piss and we should all be lining the streets demanding change. And something like literally 98% of knife crime is committed with kitchen knives.. they aren't banning them, its nothing to do with statistics, it's chipping away at all of our rights simply so they can appear to be doing something when there's FAR bigger issues they entirely ignore.
A government and monarchy SHOULD fear its people.
@@Epiidevvy You have GOT IT, Devyn! Awesome...
Especially a wef tainted monarchy!
Thanks for the reference and link - I'll link back to your brilliant video in my new upcoming one talking about the same thing. (Madness in many respects, but the law is the law!)
I'm genuinely honoured that you've watched my content. I'm a huge fan of your channel and think your content is great. There's so much of the law that feels out of reach to the lay person. Thanks for watching 🤜🤛
When I was younger everyone had a penknife, and we didn't go around stabbing everyone up from a different post code , I hate to sound pessimistic but our country is on a one way journey not for the better
when I was in elementary school in the US in the 1970s it was common for us guys to whittle sticks during recess with our pocketknives that we always carried, our parents knew, teachers knew, it was not a thought in anyone's mind to ban the knives. The sticks we'd whittle we'd then use as spears! No one was ever stabbed tho.
@@joejones9520 exactly, it's our new tolerant cultures ,
@@joejones9520 I think it's just got worse since we done away with religion in schools, you didn't even have to be super religious but it today even if people don't realise is what western culture is grounded in , morality, forgiveness, virtue, empathy, all based in Christian values. Yet us in the anglosphere are racists if we try and celebrate our culture or wanting to hold on to it, because the new elites the kids ,university people of the managerial class don't believe the west has a culture, and what culture we have is tolerance ,diversity, blah blah blah fucking blah when we become the minority, the new guests ain't gonna give a fuck about the rainbow, tolerant left soyboy crowed, they will laugh at them for the weaklings they are the fact that they gave up on and destroyed there own culture just like that, cuz diversity duhhhh
Get rid of the criminals using them what next ban rolling pins because they can be used as a club or shoe laces because they can be used as a ligature
Rolling pins and cricket bats 😆
My biggest problem with our knife law is that it’s not clear and it leaves room for interpretation which will be used against you in court.
As you’ve mentioned in the video there are ambiguities around what is considered a blade and its length, but also around the part of the law that mentioned the ‘good reasoning’. For me good reason of carrying a small knife is to open packages, cut labels on clothes or peel an apple. Just the other day I could not open a bag of peanuts with my bare hands, it kept slipping and the plastic was too thick. Try explaining that to a policeman, see how far it takes you.
Also, a 3 inch locking knife is not more dangerous than a screwdriver, a folding saw or a pizza cutter. Are they going to ban these next?
They fucking ban rocks and socks at this point…..
As a Boy Scout in England we had sheath knives as part of the uniform. The blades were around 6 inches.
OMG! Imagine how many scouts died back them from meaningless attacks... I'm guessing... none 😆 I was in the cubs and scouts and had a swiss army knife my dad gave me
Haha, I carried an M1A1 bayonet as a sheath knive, never had a problem back then. I never felt the need to use it for stabbing anyone either, it was just a tool.
The law is pointless, it only affects people who abide it. The reason for the law is because of stabbings, and noone ever stabbed someone worrying if their knife followed UK law.
I don't think we should be allowed to walk around with a Bowie on our hip but I do think we should be allowed to have a locking blade of usable length for EDC.
Hi CG, 100% agree. Knives bought from Asda and Tesco have done more harm than anything else. I think the 3" length of fine too, maybe 3.5" as it opens up a lot of other knives but I'm not that bothered. Locking the blade does make it way more safe. I'm sure if you were a true ninja, you could take someone out with a 10mm knife is needed
Knife laws are stupid because criminals don't care about the law, all laws like this do is criminalise lawful people, also they don't work because we have a knife crime epidemic, a lot of stabbings are done with screwdrivers as are burglaries, fact is violent criminals will use guns, knives, machetes what ever they like because they don't care about the law, also these same individuals that are are caught carrying illegal knives are often let off with a caution if it is their first offence, most don't carry either they have knives that are hidden in various places and they get them when they need them.
The ones who make law, grew up in public school, they never knew what life is, they don't know what a pothole is or the inside of a public bus :-y they don't understand life but they legislate and as such, they aren't aware of ppls lives
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Agreed. It's hard to climb down from their ivory towers
I am Uk knive lover and carry my spyderco UKPK 95 percent of the time and have be fortunate enough never had to explain it to any officer. With the way the UKPK looks i def think i would still get taken to the station as i wouldn't be willing to just hand it over if i dont beleive ive broke any laws. All be it aswell due to the £90 cost and fact i have had it for a long long time
Hi PM. Do you know what, I totally agree on the UKPK look and feel. If they wanted to make a knife that didn't look particularly offensive, they didn't read the brief properly. I definitely think the Urban I had here is much more knife law compliant looking. The leaf shape to the blade looks less 'stabby'. I've also been very fortunate that I've never been questioned over my carry. I have several friends who are Police Officers and they've all got differing understandings of the law... Strangely though... in the knife epidemic we're apparently in, of the 5 of them, only one had ever confiscated a knife. All of the others haven't ever been in a situation that they've needed to. They're mainly around rural North Staffordshire, North Derby and East Cheshire so they're not London or central Birmingham
@@MoorlanderEDC I bought the Urban over the UKPK due to it's full backspring, I don't want a slipjoint with half a backspring, also the thicker bladestock, and the better blade steel.
@@simonh6371 the backsprng is very strong on the UKPK. I have always wanted the HH version. I will probably pick up a urban at somepoint as well for the s30v if I can't get a HH UKPK 2nd hand market. There both great knives!
Over the top and on the wrong knives, kitchen knives are what the bad guys use.
I read the office of national statistic released that 80% of knife crime was with kitchen knives from Tesco, Asda, Amazon etc (I guessed it would be higher). The remaining 20% is screwdrivers, Stanley/utility knives, chisels etc. Tesco, Morrisons and Sainsburys etc have sold more deadly knives than anyone
I have always had an appreciation for a quality knife, I’m 63 now and used to carry a blade with me everywhere, I would never have called on it nor been tempted to use it aggressively yet, 80% of my beautiful collection I can no longer have with me. I also love wood carving and have some lovely crafted knives made specifically for wood carving yet because they are fixed into the handles I can’t take them out with me, only my flexicut whittling Jack is suitable. It’s all bollox, the government has no respect from me, I’m sick to the teeth of the inbred silver spoon fed wankers coming up with these useless laws. I wouldn’t mind if they were well thought out and fit for purpose but they ain’t
If you have legitimate reasons to carry you can use your tools. I do for work have blades packed and stored correctly. In a bag till you get to where you are going. Use them for intended purposes only and never refer to them as a weapon or for self defence. They are a tool for a purpose.
@@devilsreject320 thanks for getting back, it makes me rather nervous to take a carving knife out, just my luck that some neurotic spinsters of the parish will be out having a stroll. Just imagine the mobile phone call to the police. “Hello is that the police? There’s an overweight old guy just sat down mumbling to himself and playing with a knife “ ide probably get shot before I could show them the twig cockerel I’d made. Lol
Knives don't kill people, people kill people a knife is a tool.
Yep, if knives were all removed today, bad people would find another tool for chaos
a lot of people have been killed by stoning in history. We need to ban rocks larger than 3"
The laws are not going to be followed by criminals and no criminal would pull our a blade of less that 5" to intimidate you, so these laws are not there to protect honest men, they are there to get easy prossicutions regardless of intent.
I know this law in the UK and I think it's a bad law. Using non locking knife is just dangerous. I've visited UK last week and I took with me only small Victorinox. So I can tell you, it's not very convienient or safe to... even cut bread and butter it with that kind of knife.
I believe there is a law in the UK against killing people with knives, right? So why is necesary law against carrying knives? Next one will be probably against thinking of carrying knife. I can imagine how to kill someone with pencil or shoelace. Are pencils and shoelaces still legal? And what about bricks? What about glass bottles? Or hydraulic wrenches? If I wanted to kill someone I would definitely choose a hydraulic wrench ;)
In Poland we have less restrictive laws. There are limitations, but there is no distinction between folding knives, non-folding knives, with or without a lock. But I can see that this is also going in the wrong direction with us.
If someone wants to use a knife for bad intentions, they'll just take it from the kitchen and don't care about the law. Bandits using firearms don't use them legally either.
Hi Rafal, thanks for commenting my friend. Yes, the universal fact is that criminals don't follow laws. It knives were banned tomorrow, or the old Gods magically removed them from the face of the planet someone would pick up a hammer, cricket bat or sock with a handful of gravel in it.
Non lockers aren't dangerous.
I have been carrying a victorinox huntsman for years with no issues
I'm sure you'll agree... Victorinox knives/tools are the least offensive knives out there 👍
@@MoorlanderEDC yes they are and they are also socially acceptable if someone sees you with one they don't panic and run off
Politicians don’t much care about thugs carrying 10” kitchen knives.
But they cannot STAND for subjects to carry a two inch knife which
has a lock to keep it from folding on your fingers.
Thanks Moorlander - great video. As if our laws were not confusing enough...! Thanks for bringing some clarity. I am a fan of @blackbeltbarrister and have referenced his site a few times from my channel. I think I need to start putting disclaimers if I mention that any knives that I review are UK legal - as I am not a barrister.... BTW your jacket didn't sound too bad - loved the out-takes at the end!
There is a saying that "折凳乃七大武器之首" Folding Chair ranks top in the seven weapons of Hong Kong. So...
Dammit man I had no idea you had to be 17 or 18 just to buy a knife. By then I'd been toting a knife for 8 maybe 10 years. Always wanted to see the UK but between the no guns and the knife laws I'd go crazy
Yeah... It's a bit naff however we can still own some knives for public use and everything else has to stay out of public. There's also a rumour that we can't own guns. We can totally own guns here... But there's limits. No pistols unless heavily modified. Rifles that are 22lr can be semi auto, anything above 22lr has to be manually actioned. We can own a AR, an AK, even a Barratt 50bmg but they can be semi auto. The gun community over here is growing and flourishing. It's a shame pistols have to be modified. For a laugh... Google "UK modified pistol" 😉
i wasnt aware of this until I was way over 18. I've had a pocket knife since i was 9ish
@@ShadrikEaston I had a pocket knife from when I was in my early teens. I think the law has changed slightly. Before if you were buying a legal slip joint you didn't have to be 18
It's really funny to me about the knife purchase age thing. When I was a little kid in Cub Scouts, like 10 or so, I got a standard Scout knife with the blade, leather awl, can opener and bottle opener and a flat screwdriver. Purple delrin scales, steel bolsters and a little bail on one end - probably the Camillus or Case version. I carried that all through junior high and high school (12-17) and never thought about it. I was in California, so it was probably illegal. But it was a long time ago, so maybe not.
@@martinhafner2201 I used to carry a small buck like knife through school and in those years. never got into any trouble but then wasnt flashing it around. had a swiss army knife in my teens. no problem again. i just grew up with that mentality of I suppose.. 'im a kid, kids have a pocket knife, climb trees make bivuac and campfires'. this is london uk.
So basically, civilians arent allowed to own/carry those knives but criminals can carry and use whatever knife/gun they want?
Yes, kind of. You can carry knife that's 3" or less that doesn't lock. The difficulty is criminals will never follow the law. To some degree I feel we should be allowed to carry anything. Meet fire with fire kind of thing. I think most of criminal gangs would think twice about mugging somebody at knife point if they knew there was a good chance the person might have a knife too. We have a system where legal law abiding citizens will always be at the mercy of criminals. We definitely have a person problem here though, not a knife problem. If every knife magically disappeared from the UK over night, these wannabe gangsters would just start using hammers, cricket bats or anything they can use to intimidate people. It's not the knife's fault, it's the empowered criminals who probably grew up without anybody to tell them they're being an idiot (and probably click them around their ear)
Lock knife. Safety feature.
Penknife. Loss of fingertips. Yeah man, government worries about 3in blade laws when machetes are the go to weapon of choice for the coward. Only in Britain.
An unjust law is no law at all.
Unfortunately, the media has colluded with the government to vilify law abiding citizens like us. You whip out a Swiss Army knife and people think you're about to slice them up
Jeepers, I have a sheath knife on my belt, put one in my pocket and have a machete on my back that goes in the bicycle basket when traveling. Is not because I am a badass or a criminal, is just because Florida is like that, sometimes. There are snakes and bears and alligators and even some sea creatures that can end an otherwise well and happy day.
If I am going to town, well the city nearest me is 65.7 K that aways or yonderthereabouts, probably do not need the machete. If I am going out on a boat, well, that is almost a daily routine, some days might be a sailing vessel, some days might be a 28' center console, and some days might be a 35' sport fishing vessel. Might add a switchblade, because cutting a line is sometimes quickish operation.
If my state or county outlaws knives, I reckon I could get by with sharp sticks and billy clubs. Really do not come across as many gators as there once were in these parts, there are less bears and bob cats also. Sharp sticks and billy clubs could be used, I suppose. But gah, that is like backwards evolution. I can and sometimes do carry a firearm, because again, Florida is most often like that.
The state would have to send me a measuring stick so that we could agree what is overall length and what is not.
Telling me a blade is this and a bolster is that and an edge is just an imaginary concept that will be defined later so that fines may be implemented is a sorta idiocracy that alotta people agreed would be okee dokee. That sux.
Dont take a knife to the fitbaw or the pub, carry something sensible and you wont have any bother.
Ive not had the polis check ma pockets for over 20 years.
Your description is totally wrong, brooker case was about a butter knife, not a lock knife... why does everyone get this case law so wrong when it's literally online and free to read!!! even black belt got it wrong.... the cutting edge is the part that cuts, if it was the whole blade, sooo many knives that are legal to carry would be illegal like the magnum kids safety folder
One statement of old, carved into many courtrooms, is ‘punish the WRONGDOER’ but in Britain today, criminals use almost solely kitchen knives to commit knife crime- while law abiding citizens are PUNISHED with blanket bans on EVERY attractive or knife with any kind of ‘novelty’ or ‘gimmick’ like flick knives, spring assisted knives, butterfly knives, and so on. The rule in todays Britain is definitely ‘punish the law abiding person with blanket bans of knives no criminal uses’
That's very true. It's as though good old fashioned common sense sank with the Mary Rose
@@MoorlanderEDC ah… common sense….nowadays the least common of all senses!
So this makes the twisted assisted traditional Slipjoint not a Uk legal EDC🥺. Big shame I love that knife.
It's pathetic that responsible adults aren't allowed to have a knife on their person with a blade longer than 3". A knife is a useful everyday tool plus a deterrent to psychos who really don't care what the law is regarding knives. You really cant defend yourself with a none locking blade without risking cutting your own fingers off
In 1963 I was in the cubs scouts. There were 25 of us in the pack. About 17 of us had a sheath knife with a 7 inch blade. It was so normal to see young lads with a knife on our side. Not one of us did any buffoonary . In fact I dont think any of us did anything stupid.
they probably gave you all knives to protect you from the nonce scout leaders tbh
Always the same in this country. Rather than come down heavily on the perpetrators of violent crime and assault, the authorities think that if they ban everything that can be used as a weapon the problem will go away. It doesn't work like that. This is a cultural problem which needs handling in a totally different way.
God help us if there's a spate of tent peg or screwdriver stabbings then there'll want to ban them and we won't be allowed to put up tents or have toolboxes and anything that's not supplied by Fisher Price or Play mobile.
We have truly become pathetic and I lay it all down squarely to the lefties who live in a false world
Just to point out that a non locking blade thats under 3" that is kept razor sharp can be utterly lethal
Just to point out a man of 90-100kg with a mean right hook can be absolutely lethal. More people are killed by someone’s bare hands than by a small pocket knife! If I had to fight someone (other than running away) I’m not going to fiddle around with my officer suisse and try and poke him with it. I’d be lucky to make it through denim! 😂
At my age of 71yr old from Scotland a knife is useful for me when in out and about for opening packages and even sweet packets
The Boker xs is now in this grey area depending on where you take the measurement. This was an excellent edc knife for UK still advertised by many suppliers as UK legal, but now up for debate ?
I think there's a few knives I have now that are pretty close. One officer might let it pass where as another might not. I always say be nice, polite and courteous to every officer. If they like you, then you'll have a better chance of keeping your knife 🤘 Stay safe buddy
@@MoorlanderEDC AFAIK the law still reads "cutting edge". I believe BBB is wrong because the AFAICT the Brooker case wasn't about folding knives or "cutting edge" or s139. It was about whether an unsharpened butter knife counted as a "blade" at all.
Sadly the UK knife laws are not fit for purpose. The poor performance of UK Police forces in fighting UK knife crime is not, in any way, related to the length of legal blades. The weapons of choice are so often kitchen knives and machetes. A few years back I watched at TV documentary where investigative journalists asked an under age person to buy a machete from three separate, unrelated, garden centres. The 15 year old making the purchase was only challenged on one of the three occasions, and that was by a "Saturday" worker, who herself was underage and, hence, required an appropriate adult to confirm age verification.
Agreed. Not a lot of knives crime with a £400 Chris Reeves knife
Its not knife crime they should be focusing on, its the crime bit, dont care weather its a knife, bazooka or nuke, the question is why are they doing it, address that problem first before you take away other peoples rights
Some of us pay good money for our knives ,I can't see a person who going to stab some one paying for a knife when they will just get one out of the cutlery draw, perhaps this law will extend to the kitchen next,cutting the Sunday roast will be fun😢......
Agreed. 0% stabbings with a Chris Reevs knife, 100% stabbings with a chefs knife from Aldi
Before diversity people could be trusted with knifes guns whatever...im referring to only the criminal aspects not the good people obviously...the problem is to talk about the problem is deemed autobad
That's a pub lunch discussion and definitely not safe here in RUclips 😆
The UK law says cutting edge, but if you cut a sheet of paper with the whole cutting edge and measure that it could give you a whole different length of "cutting edge"
Before the government changed the laws about Which knifes you could carry 1988 a lot of people freely carried Bowie knifes military combat survival knives machetes and kuris 12 in long sheath knifes lock knifes crocodile knifes a foot long the only me mistake they made is you should be able to carry a lock knife of 3 in or less like folding pocket knives because there days locking blades are marketed as a safety feature for the user
I looks knife would be my choice too. The 3" length seems to be a universal length with a lot of governments around the world and it perfect for EDC use. An extra half inch would open up so many of there amazing knifes but I'm happy with 3" (I'm sure there's a "that's what she said" in there somewhere 😆)... whereas locking is so much more safe
I carry a knife while I'm working, I'm aware it is illegal, however without it I would find it almost impossible to do certain parts of my job. Sure there are safety knives that almost work, but even then only do half the job. My knife locks because it's safer for me, I used a non locking knife once and it skipped and closed on my fingers. I wouldn't dream of stabbing anyone or anything with it as my hand would very likely slide down the blade and slice through my fingers. Real criminal will always break the law and find a way to conceal knives or other weapons etc, if someone wants to go out and harm another person, making it illegal to carry a knife isn't going to stop them.
It's not strictly speaking illegal if its a specific knife for you profession. Gardeners can legally carry machetes (but not around Asda), carpet layers can legally carry a Stanley knife, or warehouse staff etc. It's more common sense really. If you're travelling to work and have it in you bag then most Officer are cool. If its the same knife and you're half cut in the pub on a Sunday afternoon, it's a completely different story.
You're bob on about criminals skirting the law. Not a single current knife law has stopped a stabbing. 80% of knife violence is carried out with kitchen knives available from Tesco or Adsa
I laugh at these crazy UK knife laws but then I sigh because Canada is sprinting down the same path.
I have faith you'll have time to be able to correct your course. Once Princess Trudy is out, hopefully Mr Poilievre can sort things out.
We're doomed. I don't see any correction here. I don't want to get too political but there's too many snowflake extreme liberal progressives that we're lost. They'll happily watch our nation burn around their feet. Say anything against the Sheepeople masses and you're labelled all the 'isms' and 'ists'
Museumits gave me a good chuckle. I always carry a Victorinox huntsman, the amount of tags on toys and clothes my daughter needs removing makes it 100% worth it.
The saw has been handy for quick jobs round nans house etc also.
While I can absolutely see the value in constantly changing the weapon laws to make it illegal to carry more and more types of items, since criminals are famous for being law abiding and always hand in all their newly outlawed weapons, one can not ignore the fact that constantly updating the weapons laws does cost a bit of time and money.
How about, and hear me out, I know it is a radical idea, instead of just gradually increasing the definitions of what items are deemed illegal in order to reduce knife crime and gun crime, we just in a single statute outlaw all forms of crime? Since knife and gun crime offenders are demonstrably and famously law abiding, I am sure, making crime illegal would reduce knife and gun crime drastically.
The UK is done.
It was done years ago when the Nanny State laid the foundations 😭
@MoorlanderEDC I'm so sorry Man. Just move to the States, we would be glad to have you.
Holy s**t. I feel for you folks. Thoroughly depressing.
In my humble opinion, the Рeople of Great Britain must be consistent in their pursuit of security.
If he has elected politicians who, under the pretext of "public safety", pass laws that limit the length of knives, he should oblige those politicians to also pass a law that limits the length of penises.
After all, any man is a potential rapist because he has a penis.
This follows the same "logic" that anyone who carries a knife is a potential killer.
You're a very wise man, Alex. Love this comparison 🙏
Im well under the 3" penis length restriction so I can use mine in public
Minor point of correction, Chicago's blade restrictions are 2", not 3". I've got a special, tiny knife just for trips into the city 😂
Noted Zach 🤘
'cause Chicago's such a safe, non-violent place and they want to keep it that way! Ha.
Just double checked my two EDC knives. My SAK comes in well under 3 inches. But my Spyderco UKPK is bang on 3 inches. Not even a human hair to waste.
While I releived, I hate our weapons laws and self defense laws.
Great, informative video, I have always carried a knife, swiss army, most of the time, with the relevant bits on it for what I'm doing, work, camping, biking, to learn how much I am possibly in breach of the law makes me uncomfortable and unhappy, I have a little bibury pocket multi-tool that has a box cutting blade a pair of scissors, bottle opener, flat and phillips head driver and a two sided file, it's just under 3 inches as complete unit, but has a locking mechanism, (which is great) that works for every bit on the thing, I'll have to modify it to carry it, it will not be as safe to use because it could, (I've had more than one 'uk legal' knife unsafely fold on me whilst using) fold up and harm me. Madness! But then when the lunatics had taken over running the asylum, they thought we all should be using crayons!
That's only because they want to steal those of us as well ,so they can eat them .
You guys could be carrying safer better knives that fit your use I feel bad for you and your always welcome here in America 🇺🇸
Brother, I'd love to live over there. I'm incredibly proud to be a Briton, however the US is still free. Thanks for watching Luke
I wouldn’t put “UK government” and “cutting edge” in the same sentence! Great vid thank you
😂😂😂😂😂 You're not wrong Lisa. Hope you're well and have a cracking weekend planned
The law hasn't changed, in the case of Brooker v DPP, he was carrying a 10cm blade. The law prohibits an article which "has a blade or is sharply pointed EXCEPT a folding pocketknife". The blade he was carrying was not a folding pocketknife and hence was illegal. It wasn't sharp, but still legally a blade.
The definition of a folding pocketknife still states that the CUTTING EDGE cannot exceed 3".