That's my point too. By definition your defensive object is not an offensive weapon. Could it be, sure. But it's not why you have it. You might want to ram some pedestrians with your car, if you're not right in the head, and yet I don't see everyone's driving licences revoked and cars destroyed. Criminals, by definition, don't care about the law. You, as a law-abiding citizen, have no right to defend yourself, or else you become a criminal yourself. It's absurd.
That’s exactly it. Any item that you carry for protection that has an different use simply *has* to be stated to be being carried for that other use. I carry a 6D Maglite torch with me.
How wonderful that the UK has imported so much cultural diversity... before the immigrants arrived decades ago, I had never heard of the terms: Grooming Gangs. Honor Killings. Acid Attacks...
@RareManga No one takes you seriously when you throw around "hitler" and "nazi" so flippantly. People have legitimate concerns with mass immigration, it doesn't make them fascist. Dismissing them as you have, only drives people further into their own positions.
@@City-Swimmerpeople didn’t have concerns when Britain chose to start an empire and go raid countries right? Reverse the roles, hypothetically a war breaks out in the UK, meaning UK residents need to migrate. Would you contribute to that country you’ve moved to? Simply put, Unification over Diversity everyday, how can people allow pigment and religion to cloud that we’re bodies living….
That is incorrect. Self defence (spelled with a "c") is legal in the UK provided any force used is reasonable and proportionate. Even lethal force can and has been lawfully used on occasion. What is unlawful is carrying something with the intention of causing harm.
@@BrightonandHoveActuallyso you can defend yourself using deadly force or a weapon and cause harm as long as you didn’t intend to defend yourself with deadly force or the weapon, causing harm, if necessary. Makes perfect sense.
I've worked in the security industry for many years. In those years, I've dealt with two knife incidents, the first was a stanley knife, the guy was threatening me and my colleague with it as he was trying to steal and we caught him, thankfully we managed to take it from him and hold him until police came, fast forward to court and despite the charges against him, he did no jail time and was released, his fine was peanuts.. the 2nd was 2 guys who were removed from premises because they were harrasing women who were on a birthday night out, they left without incident but came back "tooled up" again we handled the situation quite well, once we detained the one and got his kitchen knife the other chap ran away, police caught him later, fadt forward again and the case is dropped by police, all they got was drunk and disorderly to which they paid a small fine and were free to go. So if you wonder why knife crime is so high please not its because the law is lying to us, same as flytipping they say 10k fine, but in reality, it never is! The Uk justice system is nothing to fear. For whatever reason the justice system is easily beaten every time by solicitors who seem to be able to get around things.
Sometimes it seems the law goes after the easy targets like law-abiding fishermen, campers, tradesmen rather than the real ne'er do-wells. I'm suspicious it's because it's easy to fine normally law-abiding citizens, than real criminals.
No, thugs get let off, its someone with scissors in their grooming kit that gets made an example of. Plus, it depends round here which colour you are as to the severity of your crimes.
Living in Poland is a lot more relaxed. I carry around a 4 inch locking blade with gravity assisted opening, without a care in the world. The length, lock, and opening mechanism would all be illegal back in the UK 😂
That was Canada. Carried a locking Blackhawk for 15 years before moving to the UK, where I don't even chance an irritated stare lest the cops get called out.
He is a barrister we all know how they like to milk the system for more money i can bet it a good fee to have him even for a hour he could buy 3 of them knifes for a hours work.
Worked in a hospital years ago. Guy came in with horrific injuries to his thighs, arms, abdomen. Found later he'd been attacked with a screwdriver that had been sharpened to a very fine point.
@@alexthorpe2522 car thieves in Northern Ireland killed a car owner quite a few years back with a screwdriver. I don't think true justice was ever served either. That's how the UK law works, They target the innocent, and ignore the killers.
The ONLY law in these times is carry something that will get the job done and f*** the laws! Until the streets become safe again - if ever, I will carry my 6in marine knife.
Every schoolboy in the 1950s had a penknife in his pocket along with a bit of string, a broken pencil and various "stuff". The stuff varied with the season and could include marbles and conkers. Penknives with additional functions such as a point to get stones out of horses hooves were prized possessions despite the extra functions never being required.
Even if it was provably true that "every" schoolboy carried a penknife, they weren't carrying a £126 pound Spyderco lockback, also you are still able to carry a penknife for the daily occurrence of horses with stones stuck in their hooves as long as it doesn't lock and the blade is under 3.5 inches long.
How did we ever go from young boys, conkers and marbles to young boys, drugs and stabbings? What happened to society between then and now? I feel that my generation has really failed in their responsibilities towards the young.
@@jb-zr4ezCoz the f-fin STUPID idiots running the show have allowed this current f-upped society we’ve allowed to breed!!…..and breed…..and breed…..and bre…..
I know this is about Knives, but I do recall when hand guns were banned as a result of the terrible tragedy in Dunblane Scotland Many former legal hand gun owners said” when hand guns are outlawed , only the outlaws will have hand guns”
@DeborahDonnellan I know what I'm going to say will sound terrible but hand guns were banned as a result of Mr Bill Clinton. Tony Blair was so easily led and Clinton was pushing gun control hopping that 8f he could do it here then the states would see how much better it is and he could do it there. However as you can see violent crime figures are in no way lower.
@@fortnitefred1351 > Read Dunblane never forget. Never forget that if the police had done their job properly, and properly enforced the existing firearms legislation at the time, Thomas Hamilton would never have been allowed to own those guns in the first place.
@@fortnitefred1351some say it was a hoax no one died no one got hurt (so I’ve heard) like the abedid thing in Manchester they say he blew himself up at the arena!!! The someone got a FOI request for the police Comms and apparently abedid was apprehended near the Renault garage in Salford in a silver Audi that he was know to drive.. but it was covered up as per.. so ask yourself how does a suicide bomber blow himself up then drives off in an Audi 😆. Oh and his dad was a asset of the security service on the attempted overthrow of gaddafi in the 90s then end up living in rusholme in Manchester so it’s no stretch for his son to get into that game.. 👍 don’t shoot the messenger
UK law is just stupid. I can see why carrying a knife in public is illegal, but things like pepper spray for self defence? Especially nowadays when you can see masked individuals roaming the city during the night. Just look at the amounts of robberies and stabbings, it's ridiculous, we are suppose to be like defenseless sheeps. I'm working during night hours few minutes walk from home, but still I have to walk for 10-15 mins through the city before I arrive at home, the amount of times when I've seen actual thieves and thugs fully masked riding on their motorbikes or simply looking for "trouble" is crazy. It's literally like living in 3rd world country. I've seen idiots walking around with machetes and kitchen knifes, drug dealers driving up to you asking if you want to buy something... What happened to this country. Worst thing about that is police just don't care about it, they will drive by and act like it's normal night.
I have had a police officer hum and arr about arresting me for having a fish filleting knife in my tackle box when sea fishing a couple of years ago. I used it for cutting up my bait and also cleaning and prepping fresh caught fish to put in the cooler to take home. I can tell you my back end tightened when having that conversation.
That "good reason" defence of section 139 of the Criminal Justice Act (1988) has to do a LOT of work. Even small nail scissors are a liability as it doesn't say "knife" but any "article that has a blade or is sharply pointed".
hasnt happened to me but I have knives when fishing and camping, I also use a billhook to clear brambles from walkways and mtb trails in the forest because the council stopped doing it when the tories got in, it's unfair we risk punishment for the acts of a few idiots in shopping centres, druggies etc.
@@garygilbert1127 As a contributory member of a fishing club in the previous millenium, I would regularly carry a billhook or an Irish slasher, for clearing bankside vegetation. Apparently, if I did the same now, I could potentially be imprisoned. I no longer live the the UK, a life-choice which seems to have been wise.
Yes and its absolute bullshit. All these laws do is destroy the publics capacity to defend themselves against the criminals that carry such knives. We need the second amendment ong
Self defense is legal providing you use reasonable force. Using an item for self defense (assuming its done with reasonable force) is legal. But carrying anything for the purpose of self defense is illegal. For example if someone threatened you with a knife and you picked up a rock and threw at them so you could get away that would be legal. But carrying the rock so you can throw it at an armed assailant would be illegal
Back in my country there were instances of people defending themselves against perpetrators on their property with knives or axes that were then sent to jail because they (the victims) had more "menacing" weapons. Basically, if your knife had a longer blade you were effed. Because a dick measuring contest is the first thing that comes to mind when someone breaks into your house! It took years but they finally changed the law, allowing for people to use "any kind of force they deem reasonable" to protect themselves or their property. Burglaries dropped significantly after a guy used his hunting rifle on some perpetrators, killing both of them. The case got a lot of attention and it was for the best. 90% of all break-ins now are done when the owners are not at home - the case the properties for weeks or month (I assume) to find work patterns and vacations and whatnot. But as a general rule they've become very rare. I believe they left it the same for when you're outside your property: if your knife is bigger then you're effed. I wish more countries would adopt concealed carry tbh.
Many years ago a friend got mugged in Liverpool whilst on the way home from reenactment practice. She pulled her shortsword on them and did her best impression of Crocodile Dundee. It also helped that we tended to wear our chainmail home as it was the easiest way to transport it.
He is very busy during the day, so was sitting up doing a quick youtube edit and decided to open a parcel he forgot about from earlier on that day. That sounds reasonable to me. Someone run at him as he was walking out of the kitchen with a cup of coffee and large knife about to be used to cut a scone! There are loads of defences. The best I heard was for a man being caught in a shop with a knife and accused of attempt robbery. He had been "making a pie" and was cutting pastry up when he saw a friend walk past, he run out of his kitchen and over the road to see him going in to a shop and followed him in, completely forgetting about the knife he was holding. The CCTV didn't match up with that version of events!
BBB would not need any knife for self-defense. He practices various martial arts and has a black belt in one discipline. I pity the burglar trying to break into BBB's house!
@@JamesBakerAdventurer I specialise in tradional Japanese horticulture so i use alot of traditional Japanese tools in my work . My hori hori that I use alot is bigger than most rambo knifes but at the end of the day they're tools to do ours job not weapons
I keep a multi-use Swiss Army knife in its leather case, in the toolkit section of my car. It is adapted by the manufacturer for one-handed use. (My left hand/arm is compromised due to injury). I also have an automatic knife with a glass-breaker at one end of the handle; this lives in the driver's door pocket and is in a leather case. The latter has a 5" blade and I had to prove necessity in order to have it in my car. The knife is of historic interest yet, I encounter no problem having, on occasion, a bootful of historic weapons, including firearms! (I am a collector in a small way) I think you'd have loved the reaction from a lone copper when he saw a 4·5 foot long, ancient Executioner's sword on the rear seat...... Priceless!
It gets to the point where the country is so unsafe, and the law doesn't permit good people to protect themsleves in any way other than a loud alarm, that many would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6 if it came down to it.
I don't know what city you mean, but I assume London. I'm not anywhere near London but I see about equivalent number of major traumas due to stabbing as to car crashes in my A&E. About 500 of each per year.
@@cliveo3 Or you can pay attention to your environment and maintain a casual level of situational awareness ... but that does requires some rational thought and intellect. ... ummmm I see the problem now.
Laws take away your freedom but if you break the law you go to jail, and loose your freedom, you loose freedom either way. Most of us don't need laws to control our behaviour and those that do don't care about laws.
Well said. Something about most brits though, they love to be governed. Love to be told what to do, how to do it, what’ll happen if they don’t do it as they’ve been told, and most importantly, what they cannot do, and again what’ll happen if they do do those things. It’s beyond me why people like rules and laws rather than freedom to choose, and it’s infuriating😡
@@AI-Records24 Why do you prefer the freedom to go out in public and stab people? I prefer the freedom to go out in public and not risk getting stabbed.
@@AI-Records24I'd say it's because we believe that the law is doing net good. In this case a limitation of freedom in exchange for safety. For example, we don't have the freedom to carry guns and as a benefit I've never once worried that someone is going to point a gun at me or a stray bullet might hit me in the crossfire. Different cultures have different reasonable views on things. If I was to go to America, my views would no longer be reasonable in that culture.
In fact you have more freedom in jail than outside, cause you don't have to pay taxes, rent and other stuff. You even get free education. But most prisoners are too lazy to see it.
I carry and use my Leatherman multi tool every day.. even used it at my mates wedding to fix one of the speakers, he didn't want me wearing it because it didn't go with the kilt🤷♂️
The irony is you could have had a Sgian-dubh dagger in your sock! One of the 3 exceptions in Sect 139 of the CJA 1988 is as part of a national costume. If you're wearing a kilt as part of traditional Scottish dress then you have an exception to the law.
@@Clembo Not all multitools have locking blades. I carry a Leatherman Kick. Totally street legal (confirmed by showing it to a number of police officers)
The Spyderco knife you show on a website is a 'Para3' which is a locking knife. The one you hold is the Spyderco 'Urban' which is a slip joint -non locking.
Actually, he was holding an "UK Penknife". UKPK has a 7.4cm blade. "Urban" is a bit smaller. Coming in a 6.2 blade length. There's also "Squeak" in a same set. Which is the smallest (5cm).
Youve gotta love how in states a every day carry can be a firearm and your allowed to defend yourself. Here in UK your just stuffed. Years ago i remember reading a story where a woman defended herself with her car keys and police tried to do her with carrying a offensive weapon. You cant defend your home, you cant defend yourself or your family without risk of being charged yourself 🤬🤬🤬
Exactly. Our society has been turned into a nation of victims. And youths still carry machetes which they are not at all afraid to use. Then they disappear in Tenerife. ……
@@simongrushka983 He's a wrong un. As is his entire family. He should be in high security for a decade for his crime of attempted murder, but no. He's off partying in Spain
The law is designed in a way that only bad guys can have weapon, good guys can easily became a victim, Because the bad guys don't have consequences if they attack someone Waiting for the police? You can wait in your coffin for justice
I accidentally walked in to ASDA a few months back with a 6 inch fixed blade hunting knife, a 5 inch skinning knife and a saw blade on my belt. No one said a thing. Didn’t help I was covered in deer blood. Didn’t realise till I got in the car. That could have been a very sticky situation for me, in fairness, had been awake for about 36 hours by the time I was done and I did go in to ASDA at about 7-8am ish so it wasn’t busy. I make sure to check now.
got a 4 month community order for a 3 inch lock knife from go outdoors, i had fishing gear with me but the police threw it away and dident log it with my personal items in order to get me prosecuted
Just don't carry a knife, if you dont like non locking blades. If you have a legitimate reason to need a knife with a locking blade, you can legally carry one.
Well yes what possible reason could you have for needing a crossbow? Hunting? No use a rifle. Plus you need to prove you have the use of land for game hunting to get it. Target shooting? Not a good trade off for murder.
@@Bertiesghost And then there are people like yourself who make utterly childish insults like this. If you are too immature to be able to use a keyboard in a responsible manner then you absolutely should not be allowed to own a crossbow.
When choosing an edc folding knife, it is best to choose a design such as the spyderco shown, which incorporates a finger choil that helps prevent the knife closing on your fingers. Another good design for use in the UK is the twisted assisted Junzi.
@allenkennedy99 The Bpker plus xs is a good knife, and within the UK friendly category. The whole blade is a little bit bigger with a cutting edge within limits, but this may take some explaining to a police officer not fully aware of uk knife law.
In the UK you can’t defend yourself instead you are to call the authorities, wait an hour, receive a crime reference number then spend months trying to press chargers all while dodging an attacker 😂
Dear sir, Mr barrister Why are we not holding parents to account for there childrens actions and crimes I'm a large breed dog owner In the eyes of the law I'm. Held to higher account for my dogs actions then my childrens actions What kind of message duz that send As parents ur directly responsible for that child's actions and if not raising ur children correctly carried the risk of jail Time....... U can't imagine how fast things would sort them selves out in relation to knife crimes
I have had the Dewalt knife in my pocket for as long as I can remember. I’m a tradesman, I cut cables, I run it around the edge of cable sheaths such as wf100, cat5e, cat6 etc… it’s such a handy tool, it’s never crossed my mind to do anything other than trim back cables! Sometimes I finish work and go to Tesco and it’s in my pocket. I never even thought about it! I only commented as I saw it in the thumbnail! Great video.
Same here, I have a small gerber brand utility knife in my wallet all the time alongside a tiny pair of pliers. If anyone ever questioned it I’d just bin the blade without hesitation. But I’ve never been asked. Unless I whipped it out in a fight I doubt I will, and I have no intention ever of doing that!
If the police stop you, i could do with some electrical work, you're on your way to mine. They can arrest you even if you are working as good reason is a defence only. Or, have a family member who knows you always might be coming round. I'm not sure but not answering them might be best in case you phrase yourself wrong/ fall for a language trap. It's a right pain.
The govt want you defenceless and reliant on the police. Criminals will not wait for the police to turn up to protect/defend you. The govt have made you an easy target and easy victim.
"When seconds matter, the police are minutes away." ... if they turn up at all. Some fuching GENIUS had the bright idea to dedicate quite a lot of police resource to watching tw@tter for people insulting each other.
Yet amazingly your more than twice as likely to be the victim of knife crime in the big country where your allowed to walk around with a gun than you are in the UK. Almost as if more weapons doesnt mean your less likely to be the victim of one, but thats an absurd notion
As a small child all boys carried a knife, to sharpen pencils, carve our names into the desks. During the breaks sometimes we would throw them trying to get as close as possible to another kids foot, mostly hitting the shoe. We'd take them round the park and throw at trees, imagining they were Red Indians! No one ever attacked anyone with their knife. What changed?
The UK citizen has about as much rights as the North Korean citizen when it comes to self defense... Any government that requires its citizens to render themselves defense less is criminal by definition.
You can defend yourself under UK law as long as you only use reasonable force to do so and as long as the threat of attack is there. You may also take action before the attack if you believe that it is about to take place, but you can't continue using violent means once the attacker is subdued or has surrendered nor can you chase them to give them a second helping if they try to run away.
Just like most people would. It's not the 'thing', it's the person wielding the thing that matters. But the idiot lawmakers deliberately don't want to hear that. Just like the spurious gun control arguments in the US.
Meanwhile, people on the dole are walking around with £1000 phones and £250 ear buds. At least the knife is useful and nowhere near as disposable. £150 is hardly a lot for an incredibly useful tool which will last decades with proper care.
I’m a bushcrafter/ survivalist…. I’ve enjoyed the outdoors and used the appropriate tools accordingly .. to include.. knives, axes, machetes, hatchets.. etc… they are all tools! … in my 35+ years of doing so I’ve never once used or intended to use any of these tools as weapons!….. I’m an English man who has always abided the law! Why are we being punished and persecuted by our police that we “consent too being policed by” by our so called democracy, when the truth is plainly clear for all to see that the real problem is with a black cultural problem not a knife problem! But everyone is afraid of saying the truth because of the fear of being called racist!! …. The knife is an inert object! The problem is with the person who holds it!….. if we accept the narrative of “knife crime”….then by the same logic we must ban all trucks and vans after the London Bridge attack?? ….. it makes no sense to persecute the innocent law abiding citizen when the real criminals are left above the law by their colour or religion that is different to our native, natural behaviours! .. 🇬🇧🏴🇬🇧🏴🇬🇧
A baseball bat without a ball is an offensive weapon but if you have a ball on your person its a piece of sports equipment ..... likewise a golf club 🤔
You could argue it’s frustrating that innocent people should have to justify their behaviour because of the actions of criminals. I’d agree with that, although I’d say: “that’s life” and from your early days in primary school you should be familiar with the idea of answering questions like that. But to say it’s “bizarre”, I’m not sure about that. As for the guy suggesting it’s a nanny state: hyperbole. In every society in the last 2000 years we have evidence of criminal behaviour affecting the liberties of the innocent.
@@elkippy Yea you are but good luck trying to defend your self in court and if the criminal that was attacking you dies so how even for defence have fun fighting that in while in prison. Many cases in news about people defending them self end up in prison only small present get away with it.
@@giggity4670 "Many cases in news about people defending them self end up in prison..." Then it has been proved that they did not use reasonable force.
A friction folding knife doesn't have a locking mechanism, yet the blade can locked in place by your hand holding it. These are far safer than spring folding knives which have the potential to close over your fingers.
Also the Spyderco UKPK, the first one he shows, is designed in such a way that you can prevent it closing by holding your finger on the choil (the blunt metal part before the actual cutting edge). I have a slightly smaller one than the one he shows here, the Spyderco Urban.
This is tricky as nowhere in the legislation does it mention anything about locking mechanisms. A trial court simply ruled that the definition of a folding knife is that it must be able to fold at any time. I know, this isn't how the adjective is used anywhere else, a folding chair is still a folding chair even if it can be locked in one position or another. They specifically ruled that the danger of a knife blade closing on the hand is what made it legal. They were all ever so impressed with themselves, they acted like they had carefully avoided a loophole of people carrying folding knives with the blade permanently welded into the open position... Yet that is not what anyone was found to have.
@@nickgood8166 I think the OP should have qualified his comment, you are actually right that 99% of friction folders do not lock into place by the hand. However there are some based on ancient medieval designs, such as the Svord Peasant Mini, which have an elongated tang, which means it will not close when in use. Some Higinokami knives have a similar tang.
@@Treblaine so it’s legal because it is more dangerous to the user and could close on your fingers? By the sounds of things even just a single step back from welded would be legal, if you make the mechanism that stiff that it requires a lot of force to close and acts like a locking knife then it would be legal.
My every day carry knife is Swiss Army Knife which meets the exemptions you mentioned. I have declared it going into the Scottish Parliament building it was taken off my and returned when I left. No problem with Eurostar check in although once it was removed and checked the blade was not locking and replaced. I've carried it for so long the scales are worn smooth and the logo worn away.
Remember, even if a cop asks you ‘do you agree this knife could be used as an offensive weapon’ say ‘no.’ If he asks you what reason you are carrying it, say ‘because I’m legally entitled to.’
@@binkwillans5138 If you're carrying a knife in public and it is legal (as per Sect 139) then it is up to the police to prove you are committing a crime. If you agree a knife could be used as a weapon then you are one step closer to the officer arresting you. If asked, a knife is a tool, not a weapon.
Saying "no" there just tags you as obstructive / suspicious. Obviously almost anything "could be used as an offensive weapon" if you have the motivation to do so.
I was recently pulled over in my motorhome. This was because of an issue with stolen motorhome in the area. But whilst he did his checks ( enjoyed a coffee along with the officer)he went inside the rear and we sat around the table in comfort. He had noticed there were kitchen knives in the sink And a knife rack on the side attached to the wall however he pointed out these should be in a drawer and not within reach whilst driving which I could at that time. Although it was within the area of what it was safe he pointed out it could be considered unsafe and should be in drawers not within easy reach whilst driving. He didn’t do anything to take further but was making me aware.
Honestly just sounds like good advice, I wouldn't want pointy objects hanging around "loose" in the back of my car either. I remember an urban legend that claimed a tissue box could become a deadly projectile in an accident, so a breadknife sat in a sink behind your head would presumably decapitate you and go on a 6 day crime spree through the local area.
@@Doomsday_Report There was a fad for gilt tissue boxes on the parcel shelf of cars a decade or so back, many were plastic but the good quality ones were gilded brass and weighed nearly a pound, one of those to the back of the head at 40 or 50 mph would not be good news.
Isn't it a sad state of affairs and a sign of our times that you actually felt grateful towards the officer for being reasonable? When I was a kid (eight or thereabouts) we competed in buying the biggest, longest penknives with the most accessory blades. You could buy them off a card rack in your local newsagents and nobody batted an eyelid, not even if you took them to school.
As a kid I worked in a service station, under the counter was a hollow metal bar, i was told that the police had told them that having a handgrip on it would fall into an offensive weapon, a simple tool etc picked up to deter a criminal would be less problematic. Hence they had taken some grip tape off it.
@John-ou4rm > As a kid I worked in a service station, under the counter was a hollow metal bar, i was told that > the police had told them that having a handgrip on it would fall into an offensive weapon, a > simple tool etc picked up to deter a criminal would be less problematic. Hence they had taken > some grip tape off it. A few years ago I was looking for something to hold £1 coins in my glove box - there's quite a lot of spring-loaded dispensery things on the market. I also came across one which was aimed at taxi drivers, sold as somewhere to hold £1s as change. It wasn't metal, and it wasn't rigid - it was some sort of thick-walled semi-rigid plastic tube. About 50-60cm long, holding 150 - 200 coins, IIRC. 1.5 - 2kg. Hmm...
@@bobmiah > @anonnona8099 u need to be sectioned bro For talking about £ coin holders? I think you might need to lie down in a darkened room for a while.
@@bobmiah > @anonnona8099 Brother what is wrong with ur reply system Not a thing. *You* were the one who read a post of mine in which I talked about coin holders in the relevant context of "incidental" weapons and decided that because of it I need to be sectioned, so if anybody has a faulty "reply system" it's more likely to be you. And BTW - I'm not your brother.
But apparently it’s perfectly fine for a certain religion to March through London recently celebrating a festival whilst carrying full size curved swords.
I can confirm, non locking knives are a risk, I cut into my thumb as a teen when the blade stuck in a bit of wood and the force of pulling it out, flicked the blade shut onto my thumb. Such a dumb law, the sizing is fine but I don't see how a blade being locked makes it more deadly lol.
The answer is - NOTHING. Carrying anything with the intent on using it for self defence in the UK counts as being in possession of and offensive weapon. The best thing to do until our laws change (if they ever do) is, learn Kali (Filipino martial arts). In Kali you start by learning how to use a stick (or sticks) as a deadly weapon - AND THEY ARE BRUTAL. The moves are then transferable to any weapon such as a blade or even using your hands, elbows, knees and feet. It’s very fast to learn and easy to self teach on RUclips. Learning a few basic drills and practicing them will essentially allow you to pick up almost any object and use it as an improvised weapon, or worst case how to fight hand to hand much more effectively.
Frustrating when cops lack the common sense for the "work" exemption or just looking to get their arrest numbers up? I know a chef who was arrested for carrying his knives from his car to work while dressed in his chef whites 🤦♂️ One of the questions in the interview was "Why don't you leave them at work?" A "Because these cost me over £1000" NFA but what a huge waste of time.
Its a defence, that means they can arrest you and charge you regardless. And probably KPIs yes. This law really needs to stop, and police need to have repercussions for their behavior.
In 2000/2001 a German friend of mine got taken to court for no tax and mot on his car . He stayed at mine the night before court as he lived 45 miles away in York and I was in Hull where the "offences" took place. He is a biker with "support your local outlaws " t-shirt on as we went into the magistrates court and he spotted the metal detector . He said " here matey you look after these , and in the middle of the reception area pulled out a large knife in a leather sheath and a knuckleduster ...Im stood there with a t-shirt and jeans on , no bag no coat ...nothing to hide this stuff . I could just about stuff the knuckle duster in my pocket but NO CHANCE with the knife. Police were in and out of the court and all I could do was put the knife down the back of my jeans and push myself against the wall . I was there for over an hour . I saw him coming down the stairs and he was heading for the door , I had to shout to him and jesture him back to me . We stood nattering until we saw an opportunity and he took it back off me and put it back under his coat. Never been so shitted up by anything !. Complete plank taking those into a court and for carrying them in the first place
Thirty odd years ago, my father was coming home and got mixed up with a crowd of football fans (mid-week match) who were herded to one side after some trouble. They were all searched and my father was found to be carrying an 'open (cutthroat) razor'. He told the officer he was a barber, and proved it by partially shaving him in the back of a police van. No charges were bought. He was taking it home to give it its weekly oilstone sharpening.
@@Daimo83 I can just imagine a copper accompanying an arrested suspect while letting him hold a cut throat razor to his neck while driving around in the back of a bumpy van.
@@CazSmith OK Mr Richard Head... Who said ANYTHING about the van moving? Or do you lie EVERY time you open your mouth? Standard procedure for todays trolls. Society was different then, and it's sh1ts like you who've changed it.
Sikh here - the religious reason is for us. We're the only faith in the world religiously and legally allowed(in majority of countries) to carry swords/blades in public
@mungoh42 yes that's ceremonial not faith related. In the UK there are only three types of soldiers legally allowed to carry bladed weapons in public. The King's soldiers (ceremonial), the Scottish soldiers (ceremonial) and the Sikh soldiers (Religious and practical means)
@@mungoh42allowed if worn as part of a national costume. I don't know if a kilt alone counts as national costume, or if you need the full head to toe getup.
So are you telling me I cannot carry my 14th century Quillion dagger from Todds Workshop? because if I am sleeping in my van and you break into it then you will learn a very 14th century lesson..
Short answer: Nothing is legal in the UK. Your right to be prepared for an emergency has been taken from you in the name of public safety; yet the public is far less safe than before.
Sounds like you need help. As he said very clearly, you have good reason it’s perfectly legal. Carry a knife for self defence is not good reason, since it implies you’re out looking for trouble. Most criminals carry a knife for active self defence
@@chrisspencer6502 'Implies you're out looking for trouble'. How the Presumption of Innocence is being undermined. How about the implication that you wish protect you/your loved one to the best of your ability and to even up the odds in the case of a confrontation with villainy? More proof that The Law is an ass, esp in this the era post-Blair (who, let's be reminded, passed as many new laws during his tenure as had been passed since Magna Carta). 'The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws' - Tacitus
@@chrisspencer6502 And those who wield knives, the ones who care little for the law, how is one to defend themselves against? Twice i've been held at knifepoint, twice i was completely defenceless.
Who uses an expensive knife to open parcels? Scissors work too. I’ve got Blademaster Cruze Cutter Ergonomic Safety Box Opener from working in Waitrose….
I live in Scotland. I went to college years ago with a friend of mine. I did sport, but he was learning woodworking. The police stopped us one day, he had a screwdriver in his pocket, and he was charged for carrying a dangerous weapon. I never kept in contact with him after the college but I have always wondered if that charged negatively affected the rest of his life. Every time you have a job interview that would come up would it not?
There are also venue-specific, like football stadiums or knives in hand luggage on an plane, where security will confiscate the item, knife, scissors, metal nail file, often with no route to getting the item back.
Bemusingly, my daughter had left some scissors in my backpack after borrowing it to instruct a friend in bookbinding. Not knowing it was there, I took the pack to the Passport Office, where it was discovered and held on one side until I'd finished my business, at which point it was returned on leaving.
Thanks for this concise presentation. A quick reference to SPARE blades for cutters like Standley blades could be added. Going ahopping and carrying a pack of spare Standley blades, just out of for instance B&Q and going back home, or carrying on shopping, packed in separate bag, holding payment receipt, that is legal. But hanging hanging around with spare Standley blades, or even a single razzor blade, or a surgery tip, that is 99% times illegal. I was once stopped ony way to work in a Lidl store in London carrying spare cutter blades, back when 4 inch blades were stil legal. But had to explain, they phoned and confirmed with Lidl store Tottenham Hale that I was indeed doing store work full time and it involved a lot of back store warehouse as well as shelves replen and that blades were often needed, so sharp spares were needed, and police let me go. Then law reduced blade down to 3inch but in any case the GOOD and HONEST reason remains a must.
@@barnabywild2215 I mean would the law consider them offensive weapons as a whole so you can't wear a belt or a buckle because people are using them as weapons, I mean many everyday objects can easily be used as a weapon perfume in the eyes is almost as good as pepper spray, I once picked up a black box not knowing what is was and accidentally pressed a button on it and it sprayed perfume into my eyes bloody hell does that stuff sting and make your nose run I had no idea the damn thing was a perfume sprayer it belonged to Friend who was visiting and she just randomly left it on the counter.
Richard Vobes who has been featured on BBB has just been banned from YT for 3 whole months due to one of is guests mentioned ‘something about something’ which of cause I had better not say. Apparently there is no appeal for this ban. YT censorship is still marching forwards. So do be careful BBB as to your guests.
@Nuts-Bolts > Richard Vobes who has been featured on BBB has > just been banned from YT for 3 whole months That's a shame. In that it should have been 3 whole years. Or 30.
@@anonnona8099Yeah shut down any topic of discussion that you don't like. Shame We can't vote for the Monarchy. I have no doubt you'd get straight in. Clearly you possess wisdom beyond that anybody else in the world can hope to wield.
@anonnona8099 I wouldn't agree with banning someone just because they jumped on a belief bandwagon. All views should be heard, criticised, discussed, debated and figured out. To rally behind bans of certain people because you disagree with their point of view is authoritarian. That authoritarianism will eventually come back to bite you, because it won't be controlled by you. *Edited to put correct handle in.
For any folding knives you worry could open a simple rubber band or piece of bike inner tube can keep it closed and if any police were to question you (not legal advice but might be worth mentioned regardless) you can argue it makes it harder to deploy the knife if they suspected you to use it for illegal purposes as you would have to take the band/tube off the knife. Bonus tip inner tubes also help hold fuel in zippos by preventing evaporation far better than not covering it they also make excellent flame extenders and will burn even if dunked in water once shaken off in an emergency situation
I was giving expert evidence in the RCJ so offered my swiss army knife, with locking blade because I have the scar on one finger when a folding blade shut on me in a dark roof-space. Security took my knife - as I expected but told them, they'd better keep it accessible in case the Judge asked for it, to which the duty policeman scoffed. Well, the Judge did want it so a very disgruntled policeman had to come into the Court to produce it. At the end of the hearing, they refused to let me have my knife back so I wrote to the Superintendant at Saville Row demanding its return as a tool of my trade (a building surveyor). They sent it back by post.
@@Sgt_Bill_T_Co probably because it was packaged from the manufacturer. They can post them because there's a trust the packaging won't fail and the postie loses a finger, but regular people can't because they don't trust it to be done right
Might have a difficult time explaining why you carry that in the UK. AND... what is like to live in such fear of the world that you need to carry a pistol every day to feel secure? I'm ex military ... Ive never found the need for a firearm outside of service... partly because the world is not really that dangerous and partly because I'm not an insecure pussy afraid of the world. Cheers.
@@victororlov1236 former 68W. And I’m not afraid of anything. Self defense is a human right. The world is a dangerous place. But keep up with the name calling. Your comments reek of jealousy.
Regarding the "folding knives are dangerous" point of view, it's the possibility that whilst in use the blade could fold causing injury. Even knives that lock can still create doubt that the locking mechanism could it's self fail in certain uses. MANY THANKS for your insight on the legal side of this issue, MUCH APPRECIATED.
For safety when using that Spyderco knife make sure your fingers follow the grip shape of the knife with your forefinger over the hinge portion. Rather than having a locking mechanism this puts your finger as a blocker to it folding back on your fingers. As with all folding knives, don't try to use if too forcefully since the blade is on a pivot.
Even with folding knives, if used sensibly and carefully it will not fold when used. They are perfectly capable of handling forceful use too. On any even semi well designed folding knife (I haven’t seen any where this isn’t the case) applying pressure to the blade will essentially force the knife open, not closed. There is no reason why a folding knife couldn’t handle as much force as a similar locking knife with pressure applied directly to the blade.
I’m sure another factor would be age! For example a child carrying any kind of bladed article wouldn’t be a good idea. I’ve a motorhome and in it I’ve a folding knife with a 6 “ blade that locks that I use when cooking outside but would never carry it in public.
@@awatt they don’t automatically lock , you have to turn the end round to get them to lock . Super sharp nice pocket knives great for gardening , opening parcels etc
I've had a No.09 for ~12 years now. Probably the best knife for under £20 and has never let me down. Meanwhile, this bloke has a £150 knife for "opening parcels" lmao
Against the law to use a locking knife that is legal to carry to the fishing lake and legal to use but is illegal to use for self defense. Does that include when fishing? My God, the insanity of being forbid the right to the most effective self defense available at the time and place. Forced victim hood.
Illegal to CARRY for self defence. Not illegal to USE for self defence. In both instances it would be an offensive weapon, but only the latter can be justified.
As member of The Church of the Holy Singularity that requires you to always be prepared my locking folding knife and fixed blade knife are religious knives and should always be carried.
I have a rescue knife attached to my buoyancy aid for kayaking. I am clear that this is a legal locking blade and all but, I want to add a thumb stud to make it easier to open in a rescue situation, would this compromise me legally?
I mean, when it comes to something with so much life-saving potential you really would think the police would understand. It probably depends on whether they've met their quota or not. Who knows? Maybe you just brought that kayak along with you as a cover to carry your illegal knife 😂
Just want to comment, the knife you showed on the website is a spyderco para, a locking knife. The one you demonstrated is the spyderco ukpk (uk pocket knife) specifically designed to be uk legal.
I have a knuckle-duster, an automatic-release telescopic baton and a Smith & Wesson locking knife on me at most times, purely for self defence. Yes, I know it's illegal to do so, but I follow Robert Heinlein's philosophy regarding the law: "I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." It just mean that if I'm victim to a mugging or attack, I'll need to defend myself, flee and not report it. However I like to think I've done more to discourage the attacker from reoffending than the police would; and that's if they even bother to investigate.
@@thespokenword6456 I don't regard carrying the means to defend yourself as a crime. It's illegal, but it's a law I'm intentionally and openly defying.
@@usernamechecksout I ordered it from China some time ago, disguised in car parts. I've never actually struck anyone with it, but slid it on twice; once when some road rager had a problem with me and second when some big guy squared up to me for protesting the lockdowns a few years back.
I carry a UK legal blade daily. Not for work or any particular reason. Just because I have the legal right to. I might find a use for having it at any random time. Sometimes I like to buy and peel apples as a snack for instance. I've sat at bus stops happily peeling and eating my apples for years. When I come back from work I sometimes go into the pub for a few pints and head off home. Never once had anyone been attacked or assaulted with my knife. Why is this I hear you ask? Well it's because I'm not a criminal and knives are not weapons.
I actually have a large 8inch by 3inch knife at home and use it every day for cooking! That is the genuine use for it and it's mainly for chopping vegetables as I do like to cook, mainly Indian, but also Chinese foods. If someone happened to break in whilst I was preparing a meal for the next day, they should know not to touch anything sharp.
Dear Daniel, Did s139 of the Criminal Justice Act amend the Bill of Rights, which confirmed the common law right to possess defensive arms? The Home Office cites common law as a justification for police officers carrying not only non-lethal weapons, eg pepper spray/tasers, but also firearms up to and including Section 5. Osman v UK established that the police are not responsible for the safety of the general public, but if we are no longer permitted defensive arms, does that change the State's responsibility? Frank.
How are multi-tools like the Leatherman classified? It has a blade that folds out and locks in place, as do all the other tools it contains except the pair of pliers. It's a two handed exercise to open or close them. By the time you've removed it from it's snap lock leather case, unfolded just the blade you want and refolded the body to make a handle, your prospective antagonist has either already killed you or is in the next county.
The spyderco knife you have is the UKPK. Specifically designed to be legal to carry in the UK. The spyderco knife you showed on the website was the Para 3. That is a locking knife
What I can't understand is pepper spray is seen as a firearm in Britain so we would be in a lot more trouble than carrying a knife that could actually be used to kill, the laws in this country are ridiculous
So how does a scuba diver fare with his/her divers knives with 8/9/10" inch bladed knives that are carried in their bags on the way to a dive site, clubhouse etc?
How are knife crime, machete knife crime, still happening? Don’t the criminals know these are illegal?
Odd thing, criminals don’t follow the law.
Criminals don't care about the law...
Which means the law isn't for them, it's for us.
Buekele kind of showed the way...
😂😂😂 great comment
It is important to remember that any item you claim to have for defensive reasons can then be interpreted as an offensive weapon in UK law.
nothing is ever for defense in the UK, if you say that you are the offender.
That's my point too. By definition your defensive object is not an offensive weapon. Could it be, sure. But it's not why you have it. You might want to ram some pedestrians with your car, if you're not right in the head, and yet I don't see everyone's driving licences revoked and cars destroyed. Criminals, by definition, don't care about the law. You, as a law-abiding citizen, have no right to defend yourself, or else you become a criminal yourself. It's absurd.
I always carry a book with me, in case I have to defend myself against boring people.
That’s exactly it. Any item that you carry for protection that has an different use simply *has* to be stated to be being carried for that other use. I carry a 6D Maglite torch with me.
Which is absurd.
Government:
✋😤 “No locking blades”
Kid drawing his final breath after getting slashed 15 times with a machete:
👁️👄👁️
How wonderful that the UK has imported so much cultural diversity... before the immigrants arrived decades ago, I had never heard of the terms: Grooming Gangs. Honor Killings. Acid Attacks...
@@wherezthebeef
Smells like Hitler in here.
did you hear about Churchill starving 3 million people in the Bay of Bengal?
@RareManga No one takes you seriously when you throw around "hitler" and "nazi" so flippantly. People have legitimate concerns with mass immigration, it doesn't make them fascist. Dismissing them as you have, only drives people further into their own positions.
@@RareMangadid you hear about the stabbings and the rape? Not before the immigration you diddnt.
@@City-Swimmerpeople didn’t have concerns when Britain chose to start an empire and go raid countries right?
Reverse the roles, hypothetically a war breaks out in the UK, meaning UK residents need to migrate. Would you contribute to that country you’ve moved to?
Simply put, Unification over Diversity everyday, how can people allow pigment and religion to cloud that we’re bodies living….
Self defense is illegal. You might hurt your attacker.
To a Socialist, it's the only violent crime.
That is incorrect.
Self defence (spelled with a "c") is legal in the UK provided any force used is reasonable and proportionate.
Even lethal force can and has been lawfully used on occasion.
What is unlawful is carrying something with the intention of causing harm.
@@BrightonandHoveActuallyso you can defend yourself using deadly force or a weapon and cause harm as long as you didn’t intend to defend yourself with deadly force or the weapon, causing harm, if necessary. Makes perfect sense.
@@BrightonandHoveActually Exactly. Well said.
@@BrightonandHoveActually I know you are just the messenger but 100kg man Vs 50kg woman... Who's winning that one
I've worked in the security industry for many years. In those years, I've dealt with two knife incidents, the first was a stanley knife, the guy was threatening me and my colleague with it as he was trying to steal and we caught him, thankfully we managed to take it from him and hold him until police came, fast forward to court and despite the charges against him, he did no jail time and was released, his fine was peanuts.. the 2nd was 2 guys who were removed from premises because they were harrasing women who were on a birthday night out, they left without incident but came back "tooled up" again we handled the situation quite well, once we detained the one and got his kitchen knife the other chap ran away, police caught him later, fadt forward again and the case is dropped by police, all they got was drunk and disorderly to which they paid a small fine and were free to go. So if you wonder why knife crime is so high please not its because the law is lying to us, same as flytipping they say 10k fine, but in reality, it never is! The Uk justice system is nothing to fear. For whatever reason the justice system is easily beaten every time by solicitors who seem to be able to get around things.
So, there you go. Lesson 101 in the security industry. Don't call the police, and don''t let the guys go.
On our door if they're acting like that soon after is usually when they trip and fall down the flight of stairs next to our premises
Sometimes it seems the law goes after the easy targets like law-abiding fishermen, campers, tradesmen rather than the real ne'er do-wells. I'm suspicious it's because it's easy to fine normally law-abiding citizens, than real criminals.
It’s not a justice system, it’s a law system .
No, thugs get let off, its someone with scissors in their grooming kit that gets made an example of. Plus, it depends round here which colour you are as to the severity of your crimes.
Living in Poland is a lot more relaxed. I carry around a 4 inch locking blade with gravity assisted opening, without a care in the world. The length, lock, and opening mechanism would all be illegal back in the UK 😂
You can carry but still can't protect yourself because they would mean getting sent to prison after 😂🤡
That was Canada. Carried a locking Blackhawk for 15 years before moving to the UK, where I don't even chance an irritated stare lest the cops get called out.
@PW-72648 better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
@@JorvikBerserkirbro reciting song lyrics 😂😂😂
@@Pesoz77 i wouldnt know if its a song. i know its a saying.
Buying a £150 knife to open parcels...I'm in the wrong job.
For that price it has to be made from titanium.
It’s kind of a flex you know.
I saw it as a massive humble brag
@@Ramsay77 My new UKPK has a titanium handle, its awesome.
He is a barrister we all know how they like to milk the system for more money i can bet it a good fee to have him even for a hour he could buy 3 of them knifes for a hours work.
A screwdriver is more dangerous than a 3 inch lock knife.
Stupid rules and lawmakers, and police, are even more dangerous than any knife.
That's why the UK police brag about confiscating screwdrivers, metal files, and other general tools they find in people's yards during "weapon sweeps"
Worked in a hospital years ago. Guy came in with horrific injuries to his thighs, arms, abdomen. Found later he'd been attacked with a screwdriver that had been sharpened to a very fine point.
@@alexthorpe2522 car thieves in Northern Ireland killed a car owner quite a few years back with a screwdriver. I don't think true justice was ever served either. That's how the UK law works, They target the innocent, and ignore the killers.
True
UK self defence laws need updating asap.
The ONLY law in these times is carry something that will get the job done and f*** the laws! Until the streets become safe again - if ever, I will carry my 6in marine knife.
Give us guns
Y'all need the 2nd amendment
@@michaelpockat1No we don’t want 3rd world laws
@@michaelpockat1 you can thank us for giving it to you xD
Every schoolboy in the 1950s had a penknife in his pocket along with a bit of string, a broken pencil and various "stuff". The stuff varied with the season and could include marbles and conkers. Penknives with additional functions such as a point to get stones out of horses hooves were prized possessions despite the extra functions never being required.
Boy Scouts motto, BE PREPARED, now, its be a victim.
at 42 that is still the basic contents of my pockets, add a random spade fuse, a piece of kids lego
Even if it was provably true that "every" schoolboy carried a penknife, they weren't carrying a £126 pound Spyderco lockback, also you are still able to carry a penknife for the daily occurrence of horses with stones stuck in their hooves as long as it doesn't lock and the blade is under 3.5 inches long.
How did we ever go from young boys, conkers and marbles to young boys, drugs and stabbings? What happened to society between then and now? I feel that my generation has really failed in their responsibilities towards the young.
@@jb-zr4ezCoz the f-fin STUPID idiots running the show have allowed this current f-upped society we’ve allowed to breed!!…..and breed…..and breed…..and bre…..
I know this is about Knives, but I do recall when hand guns were banned as a result of the terrible tragedy in Dunblane Scotland Many former legal hand gun owners said” when hand guns are outlawed , only the outlaws will have hand guns”
@DeborahDonnellan I know what I'm going to say will sound terrible but hand guns were banned as a result of Mr Bill Clinton. Tony Blair was so easily led and Clinton was pushing gun control hopping that 8f he could do it here then the states would see how much better it is and he could do it there. However as you can see violent crime figures are in no way lower.
Read Dunblane never forget. 👀
I never gave up my hand guns. Only the mugs done it.
@@fortnitefred1351
> Read Dunblane never forget.
Never forget that if the police had done their job properly, and properly enforced the existing firearms legislation at the time, Thomas Hamilton would never have been allowed to own those guns in the first place.
@@fortnitefred1351some say it was a hoax no one died no one got hurt (so I’ve heard) like the abedid thing in Manchester they say he blew himself up at the arena!!! The someone got a FOI request for the police Comms and apparently abedid was apprehended near the Renault garage in Salford in a silver Audi that he was know to drive.. but it was covered up as per.. so ask yourself how does a suicide bomber blow himself up then drives off in an Audi 😆. Oh and his dad was a asset of the security service on the attempted overthrow of gaddafi in the 90s then end up living in rusholme in Manchester so it’s no stretch for his son to get into that game.. 👍 don’t shoot the messenger
Can confirm, I've been injured by non locking knives more than locking knives
Once in the hand a lifetime in the drawer
In any sane world non-locking knives would be banned as a health hazard.
I had a vegetable knife stabbed in my arm
UK law is just stupid. I can see why carrying a knife in public is illegal, but things like pepper spray for self defence?
Especially nowadays when you can see masked individuals roaming the city during the night. Just look at the amounts of robberies and stabbings, it's ridiculous, we are suppose to be like defenseless sheeps.
I'm working during night hours few minutes walk from home, but still I have to walk for 10-15 mins through the city before I arrive at home, the amount of times when I've seen actual thieves and thugs fully masked riding on their motorbikes or simply looking for "trouble" is crazy. It's literally like living in 3rd world country. I've seen idiots walking around with machetes and kitchen knifes, drug dealers driving up to you asking if you want to buy something... What happened to this country. Worst thing about that is police just don't care about it, they will drive by and act like it's normal night.
Yes drive being the opritive word not walk or maybe running away more like 🤔
WTF am I supposed to sharpen my quill with?
A pebble.
Your " pen knife" They're still legal.
Razor sharp w..
whoa whoa whoa, didn't you know quills were made illegal in public areas after king george 3rd cut his cuticle whilst on horse back!
@@ziggarillo .. you haven’t seen the size of my quill 😂😂😂
its better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Defend yourself at all costs
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That's a great saying!
I have had a police officer hum and arr about arresting me for having a fish filleting knife in my tackle box when sea fishing a couple of years ago. I used it for cutting up my bait and also cleaning and prepping fresh caught fish to put in the cooler to take home. I can tell you my back end tightened when having that conversation.
That "good reason" defence of section 139 of the Criminal Justice Act (1988) has to do a LOT of work.
Even small nail scissors are a liability as it doesn't say "knife" but any "article that has a blade or is sharply pointed".
hasnt happened to me but I have knives when fishing and camping, I also use a billhook to clear brambles from walkways and mtb trails in the forest because the council stopped doing it when the tories got in, it's unfair we risk punishment for the acts of a few idiots in shopping centres, druggies etc.
@@garygilbert1127 As a contributory member of a fishing club in the previous millenium, I would regularly carry a billhook or an Irish slasher, for clearing bankside vegetation. Apparently, if I did the same now, I could potentially be imprisoned.
I no longer live the the UK, a life-choice which seems to have been wise.
What a joke.
Quite right too, and you should have been imprisoned for A 1000 YEAAAAARRRRRRRRSSSSSSS. . .
Basically, self-defence is illegal.
Even tasers and pepper spray is illegal even if it's a woman that has the item
Yes and its absolute bullshit. All these laws do is destroy the publics capacity to defend themselves against the criminals that carry such knives. We need the second amendment ong
Self defense is legal providing you use reasonable force. Using an item for self defense (assuming its done with reasonable force) is legal. But carrying anything for the purpose of self defense is illegal. For example if someone threatened you with a knife and you picked up a rock and threw at them so you could get away that would be legal. But carrying the rock so you can throw it at an armed assailant would be illegal
@@danwillis7997 this is the dumbest shit I've ever read! And I'm not referring to you writing this but the UK law itself. It's mindboggingly retarded.
Back in my country there were instances of people defending themselves against perpetrators on their property with knives or axes that were then sent to jail because they (the victims) had more "menacing" weapons. Basically, if your knife had a longer blade you were effed. Because a dick measuring contest is the first thing that comes to mind when someone breaks into your house!
It took years but they finally changed the law, allowing for people to use "any kind of force they deem reasonable" to protect themselves or their property. Burglaries dropped significantly after a guy used his hunting rifle on some perpetrators, killing both of them. The case got a lot of attention and it was for the best.
90% of all break-ins now are done when the owners are not at home - the case the properties for weeks or month (I assume) to find work patterns and vacations and whatnot. But as a general rule they've become very rare.
I believe they left it the same for when you're outside your property: if your knife is bigger then you're effed.
I wish more countries would adopt concealed carry tbh.
Many years ago a friend got mugged in Liverpool whilst on the way home from reenactment practice. She pulled her shortsword on them and did her best impression of Crocodile Dundee. It also helped that we tended to wear our chainmail home as it was the easiest way to transport it.
I know that you have touched on this subject before but I thank you for refreshing it for us.
Maybe I'm suspicious minded...but if someone breaks into the BBB's home he's going to claim he was "opening parcels" at the time
Quality 🤣
He is very busy during the day, so was sitting up doing a quick youtube edit and decided to open a parcel he forgot about from earlier on that day. That sounds reasonable to me. Someone run at him as he was walking out of the kitchen with a cup of coffee and large knife about to be used to cut a scone!
There are loads of defences. The best I heard was for a man being caught in a shop with a knife and accused of attempt robbery. He had been "making a pie" and was cutting pastry up when he saw a friend walk past, he run out of his kitchen and over the road to see him going in to a shop and followed him in, completely forgetting about the knife he was holding.
The CCTV didn't match up with that version of events!
I was just cleaning my air rifle...
You’re allowed to use a knife in self defense in your own home though
BBB would not need any knife for self-defense. He practices various martial arts and has a black belt in one discipline. I pity the burglar trying to break into BBB's house!
If I'm in my work clothes I'll more than likely have a knife in a pocket.
Never crossed my mind to use it on another person.
same.
Remind me not to insult you in your work clothes.
same. As a gardener and landscaper a pocket knife is the least dangerous tool i carry.
@@JamesBakerAdventurer I specialise in tradional Japanese horticulture so i use alot of traditional Japanese tools in my work . My hori hori that I use alot is bigger than most rambo knifes but at the end of the day they're tools to do ours job not weapons
@@DarkRainUK hilarious comment award goes to you 😂
I keep a multi-use Swiss Army knife in its leather case, in the toolkit section of my car. It is adapted by the manufacturer for one-handed use. (My left hand/arm is compromised due to injury). I also have an automatic knife with a glass-breaker at one end of the handle; this lives in the driver's door pocket and is in a leather case. The latter has a 5" blade and I had to prove necessity in order to have it in my car. The knife is of historic interest yet, I encounter no problem having, on occasion, a bootful of historic weapons, including firearms! (I am a collector in a small way)
I think you'd have loved the reaction from a lone copper when he saw a 4·5 foot long, ancient Executioner's sword on the rear seat...... Priceless!
Just wait until the eye of sauron turns to you
i had a swiss army knife as a kid but it didnt have a knife..think it was just called a swiss army ???
If you haven’t already, checkout leatherman free series, they’re designed to operate one handed.
Bull
It gets to the point where the country is so unsafe, and the law doesn't permit good people to protect themsleves in any way other than a loud alarm, that many would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6 if it came down to it.
Isn't it lovely that one city being a crime-ridden hole means the rest of the UK gets pummelled with these stupid laws.
Im sure everything will improve under Starmer.
🤣
@@LuxFerre4242 ‘One’ city? … the list is long!
@@victororlov1236 Yes ,he will give everybody a free magic carpet ,so we can fly away from danger .
I don't know what city you mean, but I assume London. I'm not anywhere near London but I see about equivalent number of major traumas due to stabbing as to car crashes in my A&E. About 500 of each per year.
@@cliveo3 Or you can pay attention to your environment and maintain a casual level of situational awareness ... but that does requires some rational thought and intellect.
... ummmm I see the problem now.
Laws take away your freedom but if you break the law you go to jail, and loose your freedom, you loose freedom either way. Most of us don't need laws to control our behaviour and those that do don't care about laws.
Well said. Something about most brits though, they love to be governed. Love to be told what to do, how to do it, what’ll happen if they don’t do it as they’ve been told, and most importantly, what they cannot do, and again what’ll happen if they do do those things. It’s beyond me why people like rules and laws rather than freedom to choose, and it’s infuriating😡
@@AI-Records24 Why do you prefer the freedom to go out in public and stab people? I prefer the freedom to go out in public and not risk getting stabbed.
@@AI-Records24I'd say it's because we believe that the law is doing net good. In this case a limitation of freedom in exchange for safety. For example, we don't have the freedom to carry guns and as a benefit I've never once worried that someone is going to point a gun at me or a stray bullet might hit me in the crossfire. Different cultures have different reasonable views on things. If I was to go to America, my views would no longer be reasonable in that culture.
In fact you have more freedom in jail than outside, cause you don't have to pay taxes, rent and other stuff. You even get free education. But most prisoners are too lazy to see it.
@@AI-Records24 errrr no, most Brits are intensely annoyed by this type of thing.
Only in the UK could an item used by a decent man for self defence from a criminal be described as an offensive weapon.
I carry and use my Leatherman multi tool every day.. even used it at my mates wedding to fix one of the speakers, he didn't want me wearing it because it didn't go with the kilt🤷♂️
The irony is you could have had a Sgian-dubh dagger in your sock! One of the 3 exceptions in Sect 139 of the CJA 1988 is as part of a national costume. If you're wearing a kilt as part of traditional Scottish dress then you have an exception to the law.
@@Clembo Not all multitools have locking blades. I carry a Leatherman Kick. Totally street legal (confirmed by showing it to a number of police officers)
@@baldbeardyandbiking6686 Did you have to order this from the US?
@@pevebe no multi tool store uk
@@Clembo if its a leatherman bond then totally legal
The Spyderco knife you show on a website is a 'Para3' which is a locking knife.
The one you hold is the Spyderco 'Urban' which is a slip joint -non locking.
Actually, he was holding an "UK Penknife". UKPK has a 7.4cm blade. "Urban" is a bit smaller. Coming in a 6.2 blade length. There's also "Squeak" in a same set. Which is the smallest (5cm).
Youve gotta love how in states a every day carry can be a firearm and your allowed to defend yourself. Here in UK your just stuffed. Years ago i remember reading a story where a woman defended herself with her car keys and police tried to do her with carrying a offensive weapon. You cant defend your home, you cant defend yourself or your family without risk of being charged yourself 🤬🤬🤬
in other words: don't you even think about defending yourself, as anything brought for defense will be quallified as 'offensive weapon'
Exactly. Our society has been turned into a nation of victims. And youths still carry machetes which they are not at all afraid to use. Then they disappear in Tenerife. ……
@@davidwebb4904 is the comment about that missing guy necessary thou?
@@simongrushka983 He's a wrong un. As is his entire family. He should be in high security for a decade for his crime of attempted murder, but no. He's off partying in Spain
The law is designed in a way that only bad guys can have weapon, good guys can easily became a victim, Because the bad guys don't have consequences if they attack someone
Waiting for the police? You can wait in your coffin for justice
@@simongrushka983Not too familiar with the story but if he previously used a Machete on the streets of the UK, then yes.
I accidentally walked in to ASDA a few months back with a 6 inch fixed blade hunting knife, a 5 inch skinning knife and a saw blade on my belt. No one said a thing. Didn’t help I was covered in deer blood. Didn’t realise till I got in the car. That could have been a very sticky situation for me, in fairness, had been awake for about 36 hours by the time I was done and I did go in to ASDA at about 7-8am ish so it wasn’t busy. I make sure to check now.
got a 4 month community order for a 3 inch lock knife from go outdoors, i had fishing gear with me but the police threw it away and dident log it with my personal items in order to get me prosecuted
Not allowing locking knives is a public safety risk. An absolute joke
Just don't carry a knife, if you dont like non locking blades. If you have a legitimate reason to need a knife with a locking blade, you can legally carry one.
Diversity and it's many gifts.
I accidentally cut my finger to the bone once using a non locking blade.
Still dont like using them.
@@ziggarilloit’s just a tool. What’s your problem with them?
making a safety feature illegal is indeed moronic
makes no difference as UK Police do not know the law.
They are going to ban crossbows now due to the triple murder in Enfield. Nanny State BS.
Well yes what possible reason could you have for needing a crossbow?
Hunting? No use a rifle. Plus you need to prove you have the use of land for game hunting to get it.
Target shooting? Not a good trade off for murder.
@@NoBug404 many people uses crossbows for target sport on their own property. Your wife’s boyfriend is glad you’re such a pushover.
@@NoBug404 if you were drowning i'd throw you a cinderblock
@@Bertiesghost And then there are people like yourself who make utterly childish insults like this. If you are too immature to be able to use a keyboard in a responsible manner then you absolutely should not be allowed to own a crossbow.
Yet you can legally carry a bow and arrow around in public
When choosing an edc folding knife, it is best to choose a design such as the spyderco shown, which incorporates a finger choil that helps prevent the knife closing on your fingers. Another good design for use in the UK is the twisted assisted Junzi.
Boker Plus XS is very nice as well, as it has that little finger shelf, and it's a fair bit cheaper to boot.
@allenkennedy99 The Bpker plus xs is a good knife, and within the UK friendly category. The whole blade is a little bit bigger with a cutting edge within limits, but this may take some explaining to a police officer not fully aware of uk knife law.
In the UK you can’t defend yourself instead you are to call the authorities, wait an hour, receive a crime reference number then spend months trying to press chargers all while dodging an attacker 😂
Don't bro. I am so fucking angry what they've done to me it's mad.
Dear sir, Mr barrister
Why are we not holding parents to account for there childrens actions and crimes
I'm a large breed dog owner
In the eyes of the law I'm. Held to higher account for my dogs actions then my childrens actions
What kind of message duz that send
As parents ur directly responsible for that child's actions and if not raising ur children correctly carried the risk of jail Time.......
U can't imagine how fast things would sort them selves out in relation to knife crimes
I have had the Dewalt knife in my pocket for as long as I can remember. I’m a tradesman, I cut cables, I run it around the edge of cable sheaths such as wf100, cat5e, cat6 etc… it’s such a handy tool, it’s never crossed my mind to do anything other than trim back cables! Sometimes I finish work and go to Tesco and it’s in my pocket. I never even thought about it! I only commented as I saw it in the thumbnail! Great video.
Same here, I have a small gerber brand utility knife in my wallet all the time alongside a tiny pair of pliers. If anyone ever questioned it I’d just bin the blade without hesitation. But I’ve never been asked. Unless I whipped it out in a fight I doubt I will, and I have no intention ever of doing that!
If the police stop you, i could do with some electrical work, you're on your way to mine. They can arrest you even if you are working as good reason is a defence only. Or, have a family member who knows you always might be coming round. I'm not sure but not answering them might be best in case you phrase yourself wrong/ fall for a language trap. It's a right pain.
The govt want you defenceless and reliant on the police. Criminals will not wait for the police to turn up to protect/defend you. The govt have made you an easy target and easy victim.
Got 3 blokes coming over fence to garden at 8p.m winter.
Do you think police ever arrived?
Why would they want that? Seems rather tinfoil hat
"When seconds matter, the police are minutes away."
... if they turn up at all. Some fuching GENIUS had the bright idea to dedicate quite a lot of police resource to watching tw@tter for people insulting each other.
@@FNG0000Call 999 and tell them to send an ambulance for them. Watch armed responce roll in ASAFP
Yet amazingly your more than twice as likely to be the victim of knife crime in the big country where your allowed to walk around with a gun than you are in the UK. Almost as if more weapons doesnt mean your less likely to be the victim of one, but thats an absurd notion
They really do like to keep increasing the reasons for you needing weapons of self defense UP, while also ramping up the laws against them.
You can't have a revolution without stripping the loyalists of weapons.
As a small child all boys carried a knife, to sharpen pencils, carve our names into the desks. During the breaks sometimes we would throw them trying to get as close as possible to another kids foot, mostly hitting the shoe. We'd take them round the park and throw at trees, imagining they were Red Indians! No one ever attacked anyone with their knife. What changed?
£146 for a knife to open parcels? Wow you're better paid than me! I got a Stanley knife for £3.
My thoughts exactly 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Opening "parcels"
I use my teeth.
🤔 to a barrister that’s loose change 🎉
@@soylentgreen326
Are you people? Asking for a friend
The UK citizen has about as much rights as the North Korean citizen when it comes to self defense... Any government that requires its citizens to render themselves defense less is criminal by definition.
We also don't have maniacs shooting up schools every other week..
You can defend yourself under UK law as long as you only use reasonable force to do so and as long as the threat of attack is there. You may also take action before the attack if you believe that it is about to take place, but you can't continue using violent means once the attacker is subdued or has surrendered nor can you chase them to give them a second helping if they try to run away.
A good walking stick is the best defence weapon.
I carried a locking folder for the 10 years i lived in London.
Never had an issue.
I cut more cake and sausage rolls with it than anything else.
Just like most people would.
It's not the 'thing', it's the person wielding the thing that matters. But the idiot lawmakers deliberately don't want to hear that. Just like the spurious gun control arguments in the US.
I used to carry one for cutting up Apples (posh) but changed to a 3" folder when it became an instant criminal record!
…and you cut things with relative safety because it could lock.
I'll have to remember that. . . "Hmmmm. . .always carry a sausage roll. . ."
Conversely, I always carry a cake for defensive purposes. . .but not a sausage roll. That's a step too far!
Don't bring a pocket knife to an umbrella fight
And vice versa, obviously.
@@binkwillans5138dunno about that, a big ass umbrella might be handy in a knife fight!
@@alexpeartree2019 Also handy for keeping unruly dogs at bay.
@@alexpeartree2019 True, just ask Hiram Holliday.
Your umbrella is a weapon too. Mine has a spike at the end.
You can carry for religious reasons but have to be careful where camping is concerned. Good God. This country is nuts.
Only a lawyer would have a £150 knife for opening parcels. The rest of us using our keys or an open pair of scissors 😂
are we still allowed scissors?
@@garygilbert1127As long as you have paid your scissor tax.
Meanwhile, people on the dole are walking around with £1000 phones and £250 ear buds. At least the knife is useful and nowhere near as disposable. £150 is hardly a lot for an incredibly useful tool which will last decades with proper care.
I Wa shocked you can get nearly the same knife by the same company for £30 lol
last time I checked you open parcels at home so you can just use a kitchen knife lol
I’m a bushcrafter/ survivalist…. I’ve enjoyed the outdoors and used the appropriate tools accordingly .. to include.. knives, axes, machetes, hatchets.. etc… they are all tools! … in my 35+ years of doing so I’ve never once used or intended to use any of these tools as weapons!….. I’m an English man who has always abided the law! Why are we being punished and persecuted by our police that we “consent too being policed by” by our so called democracy, when the truth is plainly clear for all to see that the real problem is with a black cultural problem not a knife problem! But everyone is afraid of saying the truth because of the fear of being called racist!! …. The knife is an inert object! The problem is with the person who holds it!….. if we accept the narrative of “knife crime”….then by the same logic we must ban all trucks and vans after the London Bridge attack?? ….. it makes no sense to persecute the innocent law abiding citizen when the real criminals are left above the law by their colour or religion that is different to our native, natural behaviours! .. 🇬🇧🏴🇬🇧🏴🇬🇧
A baseball bat without a ball is an offensive weapon but if you have a ball on your person its a piece of sports equipment ..... likewise a golf club 🤔
its so bizarre that you aren't allowed to defend yourself and if you do you have to justify your own defence
Aye this country’s law for thats is pathetic total nanny state we live in
You could argue it’s frustrating that innocent people should have to justify their behaviour because of the actions of criminals. I’d agree with that, although I’d say: “that’s life” and from your early days in primary school you should be familiar with the idea of answering questions like that. But to say it’s “bizarre”, I’m not sure about that. As for the guy suggesting it’s a nanny state: hyperbole. In every society in the last 2000 years we have evidence of criminal behaviour affecting the liberties of the innocent.
Of course you are allowed to defend yourself, don't be ridiculous.
@@elkippy Yea you are but good luck trying to defend your self in court and if the criminal that was attacking you dies so how even for defence have fun fighting that in while in prison. Many cases in news about people defending them self end up in prison only small present get away with it.
@@giggity4670
"Many cases in news about people defending them self end up in prison..."
Then it has been proved that they did not use reasonable force.
A friction folding knife doesn't have a locking mechanism, yet the blade can locked in place by your hand holding it. These are far safer than spring folding knives which have the potential to close over your fingers.
Also the Spyderco UKPK, the first one he shows, is designed in such a way that you can prevent it closing by holding your finger on the choil (the blunt metal part before the actual cutting edge). I have a slightly smaller one than the one he shows here, the Spyderco Urban.
This is tricky as nowhere in the legislation does it mention anything about locking mechanisms.
A trial court simply ruled that the definition of a folding knife is that it must be able to fold at any time. I know, this isn't how the adjective is used anywhere else, a folding chair is still a folding chair even if it can be locked in one position or another.
They specifically ruled that the danger of a knife blade closing on the hand is what made it legal. They were all ever so impressed with themselves, they acted like they had carefully avoided a loophole of people carrying folding knives with the blade permanently welded into the open position...
Yet that is not what anyone was found to have.
Tosh.
@@nickgood8166 I think the OP should have qualified his comment, you are actually right that 99% of friction folders do not lock into place by the hand. However there are some based on ancient medieval designs, such as the Svord Peasant Mini, which have an elongated tang, which means it will not close when in use. Some Higinokami knives have a similar tang.
@@Treblaine so it’s legal because it is more dangerous to the user and could close on your fingers?
By the sounds of things even just a single step back from welded would be legal, if you make the mechanism that stiff that it requires a lot of force to close and acts like a locking knife then it would be legal.
My every day carry knife is Swiss Army Knife which meets the exemptions you mentioned. I have declared it going into the Scottish Parliament building it was taken off my and returned when I left. No problem with Eurostar check in although once it was removed and checked the blade was not locking and replaced. I've carried it for so long the scales are worn smooth and the logo worn away.
Get a new 1
Remember, even if a cop asks you ‘do you agree this knife could be used as an offensive weapon’ say ‘no.’ If he asks you what reason you are carrying it, say ‘because I’m legally entitled to.’
When he walks away, mutter "Yaah fuzz" in an insulting tone.
@@binkwillans5138 If you're carrying a knife in public and it is legal (as per Sect 139) then it is up to the police to prove you are committing a crime. If you agree a knife could be used as a weapon then you are one step closer to the officer arresting you. If asked, a knife is a tool, not a weapon.
@@baldbeardyandbiking6686 That's what I meant.
Saying "no" there just tags you as obstructive / suspicious. Obviously almost anything "could be used as an offensive weapon" if you have the motivation to do so.
'I don't answer questions without my solicitor present' is the only real answer to police questions.
I was recently pulled over in my motorhome. This was because of an issue with stolen motorhome in the area.
But whilst he did his checks ( enjoyed a coffee along with the officer)he went inside the rear and we sat around the table in comfort. He had noticed there were kitchen knives in the sink And a knife rack on the side attached to the wall however he pointed out these should be in a drawer and not within reach whilst driving which I could at that time.
Although it was within the area of what it was safe he pointed out it could be considered unsafe and should be in drawers not within easy reach whilst driving.
He didn’t do anything to take further but was making me aware.
Honestly just sounds like good advice, I wouldn't want pointy objects hanging around "loose" in the back of my car either.
I remember an urban legend that claimed a tissue box could become a deadly projectile in an accident, so a breadknife sat in a sink behind your head would presumably decapitate you and go on a 6 day crime spree through the local area.
@@Doomsday_Report There was a fad for gilt tissue boxes on the parcel shelf of cars a decade or so back, many were plastic but the good quality ones were gilded brass and weighed nearly a pound, one of those to the back of the head at 40 or 50 mph would not be good news.
is inside your motor home a public place?
Isn't it a sad state of affairs and a sign of our times that you actually felt grateful towards the officer for being reasonable?
When I was a kid (eight or thereabouts) we competed in buying the biggest, longest penknives with the most accessory blades. You could buy them off a card rack in your local newsagents and nobody batted an eyelid, not even if you took them to school.
The knife laws are much stricter in Australia, the UK has so many loopholes
As a kid I worked in a service station, under the counter was a hollow metal bar, i was told that the police had told them that having a handgrip on it would fall into an offensive weapon, a simple tool etc picked up to deter a criminal would be less problematic. Hence they had taken some grip tape off it.
@John-ou4rm
> As a kid I worked in a service station, under the counter was a hollow metal bar, i was told that
> the police had told them that having a handgrip on it would fall into an offensive weapon, a
> simple tool etc picked up to deter a criminal would be less problematic. Hence they had taken
> some grip tape off it.
A few years ago I was looking for something to hold £1 coins in my glove box - there's quite a lot of spring-loaded dispensery things on the market. I also came across one which was aimed at taxi drivers, sold as somewhere to hold £1s as change. It wasn't metal, and it wasn't rigid - it was some sort of thick-walled semi-rigid plastic tube.
About 50-60cm long, holding 150 - 200 coins, IIRC. 1.5 - 2kg.
Hmm...
@@anonnona8099u need to be sectioned bro
@@bobmiah
> @anonnona8099 u need to be sectioned bro
For talking about £ coin holders?
I think you might need to lie down in a darkened room for a while.
@@anonnona8099 Brother what is wrong with ur reply system
@@bobmiah
> @anonnona8099 Brother what is wrong with ur reply system
Not a thing.
*You* were the one who read a post of mine in which I talked about coin holders in the relevant context of "incidental" weapons and decided that because of it I need to be sectioned, so if anybody has a faulty "reply system" it's more likely to be you.
And BTW - I'm not your brother.
But apparently it’s perfectly fine for a certain religion to March through London recently celebrating a festival whilst carrying full size curved swords.
I can confirm, non locking knives are a risk, I cut into my thumb as a teen when the blade stuck in a bit of wood and the force of pulling it out, flicked the blade shut onto my thumb. Such a dumb law, the sizing is fine but I don't see how a blade being locked makes it more deadly lol.
A good follow-up to this video would be to explain what items one can legally carry for self-defence.
I'm no blackbelt but I think that if you carry them for self-defence that might make it offensive...
Shit UK laws if we ever get invaded again the population will be destroyed, no capability to defend itself.
The answer is - NOTHING.
Carrying anything with the intent on using it for self defence in the UK counts as being in possession of and offensive weapon.
The best thing to do until our laws change (if they ever do) is, learn Kali (Filipino martial arts).
In Kali you start by learning how to use a stick (or sticks) as a deadly weapon - AND THEY ARE BRUTAL. The moves are then transferable to any weapon such as a blade or even using your hands, elbows, knees and feet.
It’s very fast to learn and easy to self teach on RUclips. Learning a few basic drills and practicing them will essentially allow you to pick up almost any object and use it as an improvised weapon, or worst case how to fight hand to hand much more effectively.
Frustrating when cops lack the common sense for the "work" exemption or just looking to get their arrest numbers up? I know a chef who was arrested for carrying his knives from his car to work while dressed in his chef whites 🤦♂️
One of the questions in the interview was "Why don't you leave them at work?"
A "Because these cost me over £1000"
NFA but what a huge waste of time.
They joined the police for one reason and it wasn’t to help others
Cops....common sense? ....come on!
Its a defence, that means they can arrest you and charge you regardless. And probably KPIs yes.
This law really needs to stop, and police need to have repercussions for their behavior.
In 2000/2001 a German friend of mine got taken to court for no tax and mot on his car . He stayed at mine the night before court as he lived 45 miles away in York and I was in Hull where the "offences" took place.
He is a biker with "support your local outlaws " t-shirt on as we went into the magistrates court and he spotted the metal detector .
He said " here matey you look after these , and in the middle of the reception area pulled out a large knife in a leather sheath and a knuckleduster ...Im stood there with a t-shirt and jeans on , no bag no coat ...nothing to hide this stuff . I could just about stuff the knuckle duster in my pocket but NO CHANCE with the knife.
Police were in and out of the court and all I could do was put the knife down the back of my jeans and push myself against the wall . I was there for over an hour . I saw him coming down the stairs and he was heading for the door , I had to shout to him and jesture him back to me . We stood nattering until we saw an opportunity and he took it back off me and put it back under his coat.
Never been so shitted up by anything !.
Complete plank taking those into a court and for carrying them in the first place
Thirty odd years ago, my father was coming home and got mixed up with a crowd of football fans (mid-week match) who were herded to one side after some trouble. They were all searched and my father was found to be carrying an 'open (cutthroat) razor'. He told the officer he was a barber, and proved it by partially shaving him in the back of a police van.
No charges were bought. He was taking it home to give it its weekly oilstone sharpening.
So the copper let the man he'd just arrested with an offensive weapon have the blade back and offered up his own throat to it? wow
@@CazSmith Absolutely... but different times.
Imagine a society where trust is so high a cop could trust a potential criminal not to be a murderer 😂
@@Daimo83 I can just imagine a copper accompanying an arrested suspect while letting him hold a cut throat razor to his neck while driving around in the back of a bumpy van.
@@CazSmith OK Mr Richard Head... Who said ANYTHING about the van moving? Or do you lie EVERY time you open your mouth?
Standard procedure for todays trolls. Society was different then, and it's sh1ts like you who've changed it.
Sikh here - the religious reason is for us. We're the only faith in the world religiously and legally allowed(in majority of countries) to carry swords/blades in public
What about a Scottish Skean Dhu?
@mungoh42 yes that's ceremonial not faith related.
In the UK there are only three types of soldiers legally allowed to carry bladed weapons in public. The King's soldiers (ceremonial), the Scottish soldiers (ceremonial) and the Sikh soldiers (Religious and practical means)
@@mungoh42allowed if worn as part of a national costume. I don't know if a kilt alone counts as national costume, or if you need the full head to toe getup.
What is the religious reason? I only ask to educate myself.
@@Jaccayumitty kilt alone should suffice provided there’s no underwear present.
Forget folding knives. Screwdrivers can be very lethal if you want to use it to maim or kill.
So are you telling me I cannot carry my 14th century Quillion dagger from Todds Workshop? because if I am sleeping in my van and you break into it then you will learn a very 14th century lesson..
Short answer: Nothing is legal in the UK. Your right to be prepared for an emergency has been taken from you in the name of public safety; yet the public is far less safe than before.
Police are useless and more interested in people making jokes on the internet than armed robbery. We are so fucked.
Sounds like you need help.
As he said very clearly, you have good reason it’s perfectly legal.
Carry a knife for self defence is not good reason, since it implies you’re out looking for trouble.
Most criminals carry a knife for active self defence
@@chrisspencer6502 'Implies you're out looking for trouble'. How the Presumption of Innocence is being undermined. How about the implication that you wish protect you/your loved one to the best of your ability and to even up the odds in the case of a confrontation with villainy? More proof that The Law is an ass, esp in this the era post-Blair (who, let's be reminded, passed as many new laws during his tenure as had been passed since Magna Carta).
'The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws' - Tacitus
@@chrisspencer6502 And those who wield knives, the ones who care little for the law, how is one to defend themselves against? Twice i've been held at knifepoint, twice i was completely defenceless.
Spot on
Who uses an expensive knife to open parcels? Scissors work too. I’ve got Blademaster Cruze Cutter Ergonomic Safety Box Opener from working in Waitrose….
I live in Scotland. I went to college years ago with a friend of mine. I did sport, but he was learning woodworking. The police stopped us one day, he had a screwdriver in his pocket, and he was charged for carrying a dangerous weapon. I never kept in contact with him after the college but I have always wondered if that charged negatively affected the rest of his life. Every time you have a job interview that would come up would it not?
nah
There are also venue-specific, like football stadiums or knives in hand luggage on an plane, where security will confiscate the item, knife, scissors, metal nail file, often with no route to getting the item back.
Bemusingly, my daughter had left some scissors in my backpack after borrowing it to instruct a friend in bookbinding. Not knowing it was there, I took the pack to the Passport Office, where it was discovered and held on one side until I'd finished my business, at which point it was returned on leaving.
Thanks for this concise presentation.
A quick reference to SPARE blades for cutters like Standley blades could be added.
Going ahopping and carrying a pack of spare Standley blades, just out of for instance B&Q and going back home, or carrying on shopping, packed in separate bag, holding payment receipt, that is legal.
But hanging hanging around with spare Standley blades, or even a single razzor blade, or a surgery tip, that is 99% times illegal.
I was once stopped ony way to work in a Lidl store in London carrying spare cutter blades, back when 4 inch blades were stil legal. But had to explain, they phoned and confirmed with Lidl store Tottenham Hale that I was indeed doing store work full time and it involved a lot of back store warehouse as well as shelves replen and that blades were often needed, so sharp spares were needed, and police let me go. Then law reduced blade down to 3inch but in any case the GOOD and HONEST reason remains a must.
What is I used my belt as a whip? Or if I used my belt buckle as a flail? Would this make belts and buckles offense weapons?
Yes, if you used them to randomy set upon someone outside of self-defence.
@@barnabywild2215 I mean would the law consider them offensive weapons as a whole so you can't wear a belt or a buckle because people are using them as weapons, I mean many everyday objects can easily be used as a weapon perfume in the eyes is almost as good as pepper spray, I once picked up a black box not knowing what is was and accidentally pressed a button on it and it sprayed perfume into my eyes bloody hell does that stuff sting and make your nose run I had no idea the damn thing was a perfume sprayer it belonged to Friend who was visiting and she just randomly left it on the counter.
Richard Vobes who has been featured on BBB has just been banned from YT for 3 whole months due to one of is guests mentioned ‘something about something’ which of cause I had better not say.
Apparently there is no appeal for this ban.
YT censorship is still marching forwards. So do be careful BBB as to your guests.
@Nuts-Bolts
> Richard Vobes who has been featured on BBB has
> just been banned from YT for 3 whole months
That's a shame.
In that it should have been 3 whole years. Or 30.
@@anonnona8099
He's jumped on the ...
Every trail is a chemtrail.... band wagon.
So I agree 😂
@@anonnona8099Yeah shut down any topic of discussion that you don't like. Shame We can't vote for the Monarchy. I have no doubt you'd get straight in. Clearly you possess wisdom beyond that anybody else in the world can hope to wield.
Shame, it's entertaining watching how Vobes plays the game.
@anonnona8099 I wouldn't agree with banning someone just because they jumped on a belief bandwagon. All views should be heard, criticised, discussed, debated and figured out. To rally behind bans of certain people because you disagree with their point of view is authoritarian. That authoritarianism will eventually come back to bite you, because it won't be controlled by you.
*Edited to put correct handle in.
For any folding knives you worry could open a simple rubber band or piece of bike inner tube can keep it closed and if any police were to question you (not legal advice but might be worth mentioned regardless) you can argue it makes it harder to deploy the knife if they suspected you to use it for illegal purposes as you would have to take the band/tube off the knife.
Bonus tip inner tubes also help hold fuel in zippos by preventing evaporation far better than not covering it they also make excellent flame extenders and will burn even if dunked in water once shaken off in an emergency situation
I was giving expert evidence in the RCJ so offered my swiss army knife, with locking blade because I have the scar on one finger when a folding blade shut on me in a dark roof-space. Security took my knife - as I expected but told them, they'd better keep it accessible in case the Judge asked for it, to which the duty policeman scoffed. Well, the Judge did want it so a very disgruntled policeman had to come into the Court to produce it. At the end of the hearing, they refused to let me have my knife back so I wrote to the Superintendant at Saville Row demanding its return as a tool of my trade (a building surveyor). They sent it back by post.
You can't post knives, you should report them. Partly to screw with them, partly because it's a real law.
@@eliaspanayi3465 Not sure about that my SAK was posted to me. (Swiss Army Knife). You can also post Kirchen knives swords worknives etc etc.
@@Sgt_Bill_T_Co probably because it was packaged from the manufacturer. They can post them because there's a trust the packaging won't fail and the postie loses a finger, but regular people can't because they don't trust it to be done right
My EDC is a G19 with a red dot, extra mag, HFB knife, flashlight, and TQ
😂
Might have a difficult time explaining why you carry that in the UK.
AND... what is like to live in such fear of the world that you need to carry a pistol every day to feel secure?
I'm ex military ... Ive never found the need for a firearm outside of service... partly because the world is not really that dangerous and partly because I'm not an insecure pussy afraid of the world.
Cheers.
must be hell to live in the constant fear, isn't it?
@@victororlov1236 former 68W. And I’m not afraid of anything. Self defense is a human right. The world is a dangerous place. But keep up with the name calling. Your comments reek of jealousy.
@@UKRO404some sort of firearm with bells and whistles
Regarding the "folding knives are dangerous" point of view, it's the possibility that whilst in use the blade could fold causing injury. Even knives that lock can still create doubt that the locking mechanism could it's self fail in certain uses. MANY THANKS for your insight on the legal side of this issue, MUCH APPRECIATED.
For safety when using that Spyderco knife make sure your fingers follow the grip shape of the knife with your forefinger over the hinge portion. Rather than having a locking mechanism this puts your finger as a blocker to it folding back on your fingers. As with all folding knives, don't try to use if too forcefully since the blade is on a pivot.
I'm sure this highly intelligent Barrister could figure that out himself on inspection
Even with folding knives, if used sensibly and carefully it will not fold when used. They are perfectly capable of handling forceful use too. On any even semi well designed folding knife (I haven’t seen any where this isn’t the case) applying pressure to the blade will essentially force the knife open, not closed.
There is no reason why a folding knife couldn’t handle as much force as a similar locking knife with pressure applied directly to the blade.
A bottle could be an offensive weapon, or your fist if you know karate
I’m sure another factor would be age! For example a child carrying any kind of bladed article wouldn’t be a good idea. I’ve a motorhome and in it I’ve a folding knife with a 6 “ blade that locks that I use when cooking outside but would never carry it in public.
I love Opinels....but i can't leave home with it. You can buy them commonly on the continent but France has also tightened its laws recently.
My mom loves them too it actually has lasted forever. Good steel
The no 6 and 8 work well for me. I'm carrying them when I go hiking. Am willing to test whether they are legal for that purpose in court.
@@awatt they don’t automatically lock , you have to turn the end round to get them to lock . Super sharp nice pocket knives great for gardening , opening parcels etc
I can't leave home without my gatling gun. I never use it, of course.
I've had a No.09 for ~12 years now. Probably the best knife for under £20 and has never let me down. Meanwhile, this bloke has a £150 knife for "opening parcels" lmao
Against the law to use a locking knife that is legal to carry to the fishing lake and legal to use but is illegal to use for self defense. Does that include when fishing? My God, the insanity of being forbid the right to the most effective self defense available at the time and place. Forced victim hood.
Illegal to CARRY for self defence. Not illegal to USE for self defence.
In both instances it would be an offensive weapon, but only the latter can be justified.
@@UKRO404that’s why you use pepper spray if you have no experience in martial arts or have a disability, or are female.
£148 knife to open parcels, what a flex.
As member of The Church of the Holy Singularity that requires you to always be prepared my locking folding knife and fixed blade knife are religious knives and should always be carried.
Amen
Is that 'Holy' or 'Holey'?
@@aesopstortoise Take cover, Carmine. I don't want you getting religious out there.
Many things you can carry ,don't say its for protection. Would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
I see what you did there😉
@@robertlane913 Good , maybe use it yourself.
Be strong.
I have a rescue knife attached to my buoyancy aid for kayaking. I am clear that this is a legal locking blade and all but, I want to add a thumb stud to make it easier to open in a rescue situation, would this compromise me legally?
I mean, when it comes to something with so much life-saving potential you really would think the police would understand. It probably depends on whether they've met their quota or not. Who knows? Maybe you just brought that kayak along with you as a cover to carry your illegal knife 😂
I don’t carry a knife but I do carry a wicked spoon and a pair of chopsticks …
Do you have a small rubber ball on the end of your chopsticks?
It would be an offence to carry the chopsticks for self-defence but you could sell tickets if it ever came to court.
@@vatsmith8759 He carries them on the offchance of coming across chinese food.
I carry a viscously sharp piece of fruit at all times.
@@knightowl3577 YA, that's great! Until you encounter a 16 ton weight... see what your banana does then.
A £150 knife for opening parcels!! Really?
Rich ass bizzness init,what ussy as a knife to open a letter
Just want to comment, the knife you showed on the website is a spyderco para, a locking knife. The one you demonstrated is the spyderco ukpk (uk pocket knife) specifically designed to be uk legal.
I have a knuckle-duster, an automatic-release telescopic baton and a Smith & Wesson locking knife on me at most times, purely for self defence. Yes, I know it's illegal to do so, but I follow Robert Heinlein's philosophy regarding the law: "I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." It just mean that if I'm victim to a mugging or attack, I'll need to defend myself, flee and not report it. However I like to think I've done more to discourage the attacker from reoffending than the police would; and that's if they even bother to investigate.
You've just openly admitted to several crimes and you have your work address on your account. Every part of that is a bad idea.
@@thespokenword6456 I don't regard carrying the means to defend yourself as a crime. It's illegal, but it's a law I'm intentionally and openly defying.
While I agree with you it's probably best to delete the comments since it's free ammunition for a prosecutor.
@@boilerhousegarage Thank you for your service good sir!
Where can a collector get a knuckleduster these days? Purely for show ofc.
@@usernamechecksout I ordered it from China some time ago, disguised in car parts. I've never actually struck anyone with it, but slid it on twice; once when some road rager had a problem with me and second when some big guy squared up to me for protesting the lockdowns a few years back.
I carry a UK legal blade daily. Not for work or any particular reason. Just because I have the legal right to. I might find a use for having it at any random time. Sometimes I like to buy and peel apples as a snack for instance.
I've sat at bus stops happily peeling and eating my apples for years.
When I come back from work I sometimes go into the pub for a few pints and head off home.
Never once had anyone been attacked or assaulted with my knife.
Why is this I hear you ask?
Well it's because I'm not a criminal and knives are not weapons.
I actually have a large 8inch by 3inch knife at home and use it every day for cooking! That is the genuine use for it and it's mainly for chopping vegetables as I do like to cook, mainly Indian, but also Chinese foods. If someone happened to break in whilst I was preparing a meal for the next day, they should know not to touch anything sharp.
Dear Daniel,
Did s139 of the Criminal Justice Act amend the Bill of Rights, which confirmed the common law right to possess defensive arms? The Home Office cites common law as a justification for police officers carrying not only non-lethal weapons, eg pepper spray/tasers, but also firearms up to and including Section 5.
Osman v UK established that the police are not responsible for the safety of the general public, but if we are no longer permitted defensive arms, does that change the State's responsibility?
Frank.
How are multi-tools like the Leatherman classified? It has a blade that folds out and locks in place, as do all the other tools it contains except the pair of pliers. It's a two handed exercise to open or close them.
By the time you've removed it from it's snap lock leather case, unfolded just the blade you want and refolded the body to make a handle, your prospective antagonist has either already killed you or is in the next county.
Any fixed blade or any blade that locks is illegal to carry. Any blade with a cutting edge longer than 7.5 cm is illegal even if it doesn’t lock.
look into the leatherman bond, specifically made to be uk legal
Why are the police allowed to carry multitools ie leatherman its a locking blade and had mine confiscated i was going camping
because acab
You can carry a locking blade if you have a good reason, a police officer could give a good reason to carry a multi-tool with a locking blade.
@@ziggarillo a PC would give a 'good reason' to another PC when questioned. don't forget that
@@ziggarillo I mean, self-protection is a great reason.
You shouldn't have had yours confiscated if you were going camping!!! Definitely would be appealing that one.
The spyderco knife you have is the UKPK. Specifically designed to be legal to carry in the UK. The spyderco knife you showed on the website was the Para 3. That is a locking knife
Government: To lower the crime rate, lets ban knives.
Sane people: I dont think criminals give a duck about laws in the first place.
What do you reckon your chances are in a knife fight? Blade vs blade. Think you're coming out of it alright?
@@mattd6085 Do what UK cops do "Oi mate, stop it" 😂 And yeah, I take my chance. Most of the time those "naughty boys" dont know to wield a knife.
Pepper spray is non lethal and I can't understand why it isn't legal to carry.
Being able to defend yourself should be a god given right.
nicorette anti smoking spray is a brilliant substitute for mace, if you get it in the eyes you've got a good 15 mins to amble off
What I can't understand is pepper spray is seen as a firearm in Britain so we would be in a lot more trouble than carrying a knife that could actually be used to kill, the laws in this country are ridiculous
@@NOT_SURE.. how do you know this 😅
When you get mugged by someone giving you a face full of pepper spray, you might realise why it iis not legal to carry.
@@grahvis genuis! I have an idea why dont we make mugging illegal so the criminal cant mug me, 2 birds 1 stone!
So how does a scuba diver fare with his/her divers knives with 8/9/10" inch bladed knives that are carried in their bags on the way to a dive site, clubhouse etc?
You should do an update for this, you're allowed to carry whatever you like if you take it out a mosque and return it when asked to.