Can Police Demand Your Name? Should You Talk?
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Can Police Demand Name & Address (PART 2)
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Rice Vs Connolly (1966) is an English legal precedent holding that there is no strict, general legal duty to assist a police officer prior to any possible arrest or caution, with even basic police enquiries nor to accompany the officer to a requested location.
@@thejournalistshersingh Been asked a few times and they used to say it's an offence to not give your name when asked .
You sir are doing the work that helps all, like a rising tide that lifts all boats / ships,
Praise be to the person that releases the chains of the weak, powerless and poor,
Just out of interest, can the UK police "detain" a person while not arresting them? We see this so often in the US where people are detained and cuffed,( for your and my safety) but are not under arrest.
Any chance I could ask a question please.
The problem is that as soon as you start asking questions of the police they get defensive and aggressive. It doesn't matter how polite and calm you are. I was once arrested for going up to a police officer and asking for help. That is absolutely true. My friends father had died and he was exceptionally upset. We were in Leeds town centre. I asked if they could help me get a taxi or at least just help me out a little with him. They decided he was drunk or on drugs. Arrested both of us. Made us stay in cells over night. Threw us out at 4.30am. Then lied about the incident in court and we were both fined for being drunk and causing a disturbance. Neither of us had touched a drop. They are thugs who lie and think themselves above the law. They are a state funded criminal organisation.
My approach is to never go up to the police for anything, and never be a witness to anything. You get yourself in trouble trying to be a good citizen. The police criminalise innocent people.
...and they wonder why people call them Pigs?
I'm so sorry to hear that, I've had terrible run ins with the police several times but that's just downright abhorrent
Many of us have had similiar experiences and so have our famaily and friends... .
Similar thing happened to me and my mate. Scumbags.
My grandparents used to say, "Stay away from coppers and hospitals".
Excellent advice.
Until you do need them and then you will have probably little choice!
@@pmarsh3700 When you need them is when you find that they stay away from you.
@@bloccoaspirale1867 they are scumbags, i've seen more humanity from criminals than coppers.
@@moonboy2022 Never had a bad experience with one, I'm always respectful but firm, although I have no doubt many do have legitimate issues.
My Grandad was a copper in WW2. His only advice to me as a young man was...' never trust a policeman.'
Many years ago when i was in early 20s some friends and myself hired a a van for an easter weekend in Torbay,we saw a couple with 2 young kids being attacked so i stopped the van and me and my mates chased after the attackers but they knew the layout of the area and escaped,we went back to the van where the couple were consolling the kids and told them sorry they got away,later that afternoon police cars got in front and behind the van to pen us in and directed to the police station where they manhandled us and pushed us inside and up against the wall refusing to answer any questions,is it because we have got long hair and not from your area we asked?,shut up and stand there we were told,then the couple we saw being attacked were escorted in and asked "Are these the ones that attacked you this afternoon?",No!,these are the guys who helped us and chased the attackers away",are you sure the coppers said,take a good look at them,you could be charged with perjury for covering up for them,No we gave you descriptions of the guys that attacked us,these are not the men!,the police seemed determined to push the terrified couple into saying it was us just to get a conviction,have not been able to trust a copper since and now they are getting even worse.
Outrageous! The police are corrupt liars 🤥
And people wonder why people don't stop to help others.
I bet coppers hate the fact that most members of the public have a device that can film them nowadays, I wonder how long before they are banned ?
That’s why they’re called the filth…
Heard of same from an old friend and then girlfriend on holiday in cornwall , coppers tried to pin an attack on him even though he actually chased them off , a-holes
We along with our neighbours had a problem with someone who moved in across the road a few years ago, we rang the police about his abusive and threatening behaviour on four occasions. On the first two visits the officer concerned was both sympathetic and helpful (these were both local police officers ), on the third occasion the officer was not really interested, all he said was until someone gets hurt, or property is damaged there is nothing we can do. On the fourth occasion the officer that arrived was one of those armed with a side arm, taser and pepper spray, he came in and proceeded to give me a lecture about how important his time was, and then he said “I’ve got better things to be doing than listening to someone who doesn’t get on with his neighbours , and I don’t want to have to come out here and arrest you for wasting police time “. This was after the offender (who we had discovered was known to the police for previous violent and abusive behaviour ) had threatened both myself and my disabled neighbour . The more I see of how (some) police are behaving like little nazis and others are just too afraid to do anything when confronted by thugs, the less respect I have for them, and I am a seventy year old who was brought up to respect the police in an era when they behaved like police and not like either jackbooted thugs or morons doing anything to placate rioters.
I put myself in danger to get evidence for my neighbour's threats of violence. I had an audio recording of it. The police insisted it was just a neighbourhood dispute and refused to listen to the evidence. They said audio evidence doesn't count anyway. The CPS website says it does. On a previous occasion, they tried to scare me off with allegations of hate crimes and harassment for reporting the neighbour. My conclusion is not to bother with them. It only makes matters worse. Criminals rule and are likely to be in the police force anyway.
You should have filmed the 4th idiot
A situation has to be very very bad for it to be improved by the presence of the police.
Opposite of my neighbour problems. Police gave Steve Daubany two chances and the third time after those warnings he was arrested for threatening behaviour.
You're being an idiot. Record the threats and provide the police with actual evidence.
Wayne Couzens used his Warrant Card, that didn't end well, did it !!!
Too right! And how many of us would know what an official warrant card (or an imitation) looked like?
It seems to me that the word suspicion allows the police to do whatever they choose and that has also been my experience.
That is why every thing is suspicious, even a forgotten bag of what ever left anywhere
If there really was no suspicion, then it would be possible to potentially take action against the officer.
@@skellious good luck with that. I tried
1966 Rice versus Connolly at Queens Bench Division - Under Lord Parker and 2 circuits judges - unanimous decision
You are under no obligation to give any Officer any details nor go with them to any location.
Upheld most recently at Cardiff Appeals Court - February 2021 - Neale versus Director Public Prosecution (DPP)
You are under no obligation to give any Officer any details nor go with them to any location
stephen richards
It's not about a succession of wannabe totalitarian governments creating more and more restrictive legislation to counter the adverse effects of poor government policy being patrolled by an increasingly low IQ police service because anyone with a reasonable IQ has already got a good job. It's about how low IQ plod uses their powers which is becoming more and more like how the Mongol Hoard used their arrows and swords, it you ain't one of them you're going down.
"If an officer suspects..." and there's the catch all. They can 'suspect' anything and you're supposed to comply 🤔😒
I once had a police officer turn up at our house asking for my mother. She was out shopping. I asked what it was for and he refused to give me any details but asked if my mother could contact him at a particular police station (not our local station but in a neighbouring town). When my mother got home I told her and my eldest brother (naturally intrigued as none of our family had ever had any issues with the law) drove her to the station in question.
She asked to speak to the officer involved but was told "sorry he's not here at the moment" but then as she was about to leave, the desk sergeant told her she was not free to leave and she'd have to wait for him. After a while, she (and my brother) decided they'd be going anyway and informed the desk sergeant. She was then arrested and put in the cells overnight until the officer in question turned up for his duty the next day.
And what was the incident that lead to this? Apparently they'd found an old guy, that lived alone, had died of natural causes. Unfortunately nobody knew if he had any relatives so they went through his address book to find anyone that may know the guy. Apparently he had my fathers name and an old phone number for him. I should clarify that my father had been deceased for about 5 years and the phone number was about 15 years out of date (which was obvious by the short number). The only reason this officer wanted to talk to my mother was to ask her if she knew if this guy had any relatives they could contact.
None of our family had a clue who this guy was. Best guess was that he was a customer of my fathers, when my father did gardening. But my mother had been held in cells overnight for THIS! In hindsight it would have been better if my mother had simply called the police station, but to be held in custody, simply because a copper wants to talk to her when even the desk sergeant didn't know why.
I would've thought they need to tell you a reason for arresting you
probably want to mention that to Julian Assange
@@andyfeeney8554 I'm pretty sure Julian Assange has been given a reason why he's been arrested
I hope you sued them
I policed for 30 years and this seems very irregular . I’m utterly confused as to why her detention Was authorised to keep her in custody . I suspect your mother hasn’t told you the full truth of this .!!!
You cannot arrest and detain people in custody to establish a none criminal enquiry . She can only be detained on suspicion of committing a crime . PACE has to be satisfied and she would have had access to a solicitor . If one found any cause for her not to be detained they can demand her release . Like most on here they come with fanciful stories that don’t quite weigh up to fact or hide something has been deliberately missed out .!
Years ago, as a pedestrian. I was followed by an officer for no reason, stopped and asked my name. I asked why, cleverly the officer said so I know what to call you. So I said 'Bob'. The officer said so that's your name. I said no but that's what you can call me. The look I got was total confusion. I said glad I could clear that up for you and casually walked away. Still makes me smile.
Obviously they could just say Sir!
You should have said: "Your Highness"
😂😂
A copper stoped me he said I want your name I said but you don’t even know what it is and what am I going to use
Bob along then.
Back in 1980 i had a traffic accident on my motor bike. Police turn up and ask questions as to what happened. I happily
chatting away about said accident. No big deal or so i thought. Then letter comes through the door telling me i've got to go
court as i'm being charged with driving with undo care and attention. Listening to the Police officers read back of our little
chat even i would have given myself 10 years. Lesson learnt. Never say more than you have to and choose your words carefully.
Been a bit wary of Police ever since.
Yes .... treat the cops as you would the other guy's insurance company. Never admit any kind of liability, or say anything that might be so construed.
no such thing as a friendly chat with a copper
Same thing happened to me many years ago.
never trust a copper, you can have never committed so much as a misdemeanor in your entire life, but they will always be looking for SOMETHING no matter how trivial they can charge you with.
or dont drive without due care, you can only be charged and found guilty if you have actually done it.
At 19 and in University (30ish years ago) I worked in a bar and regularly walked home at 1am. A police car stopped next to me asking where I was walking from, too, name, dob etc. The guy was incredibly aggressive, and it was obvious that he was hoping that I was staggering home drunk at 1am and he could provoke me into being aggressive with consequences. Being sober, level headed, cooperative and calm got me through his deliberate provocations, but he drove away visibly disappointed. I pity the returning drunk nightclubber he met around the corner.
Why I don't drink.
What is the point if it grants the government licence to lock me up? It's just instant tyranny in a can.
The minute you defend your rights as an innocent member of the public is the minute you become a victim to the police, and they start using excuses when they stop you like "your matching the description of some one we are looking for " or "I can smell drugs" and that's our reason to stop and search you.
You are matching the description of someone we are looking for is their favourite one to use. You just know straight away they are bull💩💩 you. They are always misusing these powers and it's getting worse.
I would say what’s that person’s name ? 🤷🏽
If someone never had a birth certificate they wouldn’t have to have a name. What the police going to do with someone who has no name? You are only a member of the public if you have a birth certificate, a birth certificate and your joinder to it means you have subjected to the crown and are therefore under its laws. Without joinder to a name or a subject pronoun then you are not a subject. Subject then do not complain as you want the benefits from the crown eg have a bank account then you gotta have the repercussions too cant have both.
@@rickypatel2517 when your born your parents have to legally register you thus been given a birth certificate, I have never known anyone who was born in the uk not registered, you don't have a choice as a new born, you are under a countries laws with or with out a birth certificate, your saying I want the benefits of a bank account etc! I haven't said anything like that at all. Just so you know Im not complaining I'm making a statement on what excuses the police use to stop and search people when they want to.
you are not under a countries laws, a country is a corporation, the uk is a corporation, everything is maritime law. a birth certificate is like being an employee of that corporation, and if you have one and there is joinder to it by you then you submit to that corporations rule. This is not common knowledge, is not taught in schools or anywhere “mainstream” as these corporations are all owned at the top by the same entity. Look at the dollar bill the all seeing eye isnt there for no reason. However there is a chance they will play by the rules and if you do not subject and do not do joinder with a name then you are not a subject of them and they have to acknowledge your power. Although every attempt will be made by them to take this away and like i said this will be by taking away any benefits that their corporations via maritime law provide to you, banks, doctors, shops. So you see the loss of this in your mind creates your fear and thus your power is given away and you will once again identify with your name, subject pronoun, and give away the power that they want you to. Youve been bought up all your life with these benefits you know only life with these benefits without them you think you would be powerless, quite the contrary, with them you are powerless. If you want to look into this further maybe look into the birth certificate and the strawman it creates and try not using a mainstream source as it might perverse the truth if it.
Had police at my door looking for someone that's never been linked to my address, after telling the female officer they were at the wrong address she responded with 'Oh we're not' and started getting very aggressive threatening to kick my door in because I refused them entry. Long story short after sticking to my guns and refusing to give my details or grant them entry I was then told I'm acting suspicious and after speaking with the only legal counsel I could at such short notice was told to give them my details. The fact the police can just turn up at your door looking for any random person and accuse you of acting suspicious in your own home just to get their way is quite alarming.
Suspicious of what?
It's like when they say something is "necessary" but necessary for what?
Well not a very good legal person, should have told you to shut your door on them, they can try kicking your door down with out a warrant,if they want to get sued
In future remember Suspicion is not a crime and you do not have to help them alleviate their suspicion.
Shoulda let them kick door in mega payout for you when the pig squad find out they are wrong
Unfortunately they are not the most honest of people.
Great explanation, unfortunately it doesn’t work like that in the real world a lot of the time the ordinary person on the street (not criminals) tries a lot harder to abide by the law than the police do.
The police lie about the "suspicion" bit all the time.
"Someone matching your description", it's just all lies.
YOU SIR ARE A LIAR!!! Rice VS Connoley 1966 if the officer suspects you of being involved in a crime. You DO NOT have to give them your information. You DO NOT have to help them with their investigation. Innocent until PROVEN guilty. Proven in a court of law, before a Jury of your peers Background
Leonard Rice on 20 March 1965 would not give his forename, nor full address, nor accompany the officer to a requested place (here, immaterially, a police box). The police prosecuted him as such and magistrates, considering the statutory words "wilfully obstructs", convicted him.[2]
He appealed against conviction: for such obstruction of a constable when in the execution of his duty (contrary to Police Act 1964 s. 51 (3)).
Appellate decision
It was held that "although every citizen had a moral or social duty to assist the police, there was no relevant legal duty to that effect in the circumstances of the present case, and the appellant had been entitled to decline to answer the questions put to him and (prior to his arrest) to accompany the police officer".
Or in a traffic stop "i smell weed"
@@paul-soundaffected Didn't like my comment, being the highlighted comment did you. Well lets reiterate it YOU SIR ARE A LIAR!!! Rice VS Connoley 1966 if the officer suspects you of being involved in a crime. You DO NOT have to give them your information. You DO NOT have to help them with their investigation. Innocent until PROVEN guilty. Proven in a court of law, before a Jury of your peers Background
Leonard Rice on 20 March 1965 would not give his forename, nor full address, nor accompany the officer to a requested place (here, immaterially, a police box). The police prosecuted him as such and magistrates, considering the statutory words "wilfully obstructs", convicted him.[2]
He appealed against conviction: for such obstruction of a constable when in the execution of his duty (contrary to Police Act 1964 s. 51 (3)).
Appellate decision
It was held that "although every citizen had a moral or social duty to assist the police, there was no relevant legal duty to that effect in the circumstances of the present case, and the appellant had been entitled to decline to answer the questions put to him and (prior to his arrest) to accompany the police officer".
@@paul-soundaffectedI've said this. They can literally do whatever they please, "I thought I could smell cannabis as I walked past you" instantly within the law to do whatever they want with you.
When they are more corrupt than 99% of the people they stop, it’s hard to give any respect at all
99% of the people police have to deal with are innocent are they? I really don't think so buddy
@@Englishsea24 You shouldn’t care what I write, as I don’t your writings. But I feel I might be near the mark; also if you read what I put, I said, I didn’t state the people they deal with are innocent, for you and I know that’s well wide of the truth, but the police are far more corrupt, evil and stupid than your average low level criminal, at least criminals don’t pretend to be above the law
not far off that percentage, given the Home Office crime stats@@Englishsea24
that is absolute nonsense
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I got accused of 'going prepared (trying to burgle) my mum's house while I was talking to her over the wall. The officers wouldn't let me confirm that my mum lived at the address and ignored that address being on my driving license. They still handcuffed and searched me. After finding nothing they left the scene without providing documentation that I'd been stopped and searched.
I've never been in trouble with the police, but I am fostering a growing hatred of them due to the increasing thuggish and intimidating behaviour.
The UK Polices values are NOT my values, that's why I hate them.
I see what you mean but look at the abuse they regularly get from members of the public as well as the idiots they have to deal with. Wouldn't your patience be tested too?
@@Englishsea24 they can always resign.
@@Englishsea24there personal feelings isnt what they are paid to pay attention too !
They are extremely leftist aswell very woke far left white male hating freedom hating I had 4 yrs of daily abuse including following watching hiding out in house next door after a clear crown court not guilty verdict 2005 they went nuts wen I told them I would win and tyey diid usual thing yourfar right your a groomer your racist your a terror threat your mentally ill ALL THE USual commie shit....they would call me racist arrest me for it I'd get dearrested as they falsely arrested me then they would sent a Indian and black officer round the next day to try get me to be racist it was a total clown act...I also had what's called street theater played on me followed by bizzarly dressed undercover officers, it was nt rill much later I found out that's what its called street theater... were they do weird things so you look crazy wen you say police followed me dressed as a WHATEVER that not well ex pop star Brian harvy after a police warning for his life due to his exposure of pop pedos was followed my a clown in the city centre on video he thought it was the baddya who wanted him dead it wasn't it was the police video of it online imhad a male and female dressed in weird scruffy clothing and the tiny female officer in a Huge Bob cut wig That looked massive on her head. Late at night many many many nights for months walking my dogs.. I had in 2005 single handedly beaten loads of charges for child battery under what was referred to as Tony blairs anti smacking agenda I basically set a president in crown court right to smack vs Tony blairs no right to smack agenda at the time the establishment went NUTS WHEN I WON AND THQT I HAD TOLD THEM I WOULD OPENLY THE ENTAIRE BAIL PERIOD BEFORE HAND AND EVERY INTERVIEW THEY TOOK A PARTICULAR DISTAIN TO MY magna fuking carta sovereign englishmen line
You should always treat the police with the upmost caution and suspicion ( THE POLICE ARE NOT ALLWAYS TRUTHFULL)!
Treat them with the contempt they deserve..... Incompetent clowns in outfits who don't understand the laws they're employed to uphold 🤡 🤣
@@kat7777 And you do ???
@@kat7777 i always find the stuff about outfits interesting - the fire service dress uniform isnt much difference - nor Prison Service - nor Border Force - Paramedics is same style working unfirm in different colours - are those all outfits too?
@@vanpallandt5799 Check how many Civil servants are freemasons......
@@kat7777 i am not and did various roles for 30 plus years
Basically, they can just say they suspect you of a crime.
So there is no real right to not give your details. It may be a legal right, but their 'discretion' trumps it, so a pointless law.
I once lived in a medium-sized town in Kent. I was walking home from a party at around 1.30am through a deserted street. A police car came down the street and an officer got out and demanded my name, address and what I was doing. I told him that I was returning from a party but politely declined to give my personal details (but added that if he had stopped me suspecting me to be connected to a specific crime, and wished to interview me on that specific crime, I would happily concur. He became enraged and started insulting me. I listened silently for some minutes, after which I told him that I was not happy listening to what he said, which had nothing to do with any crime. I repeated that I would cooperate if he gave me grounds, but I would then begin walking home. I did this, and the officer got in his car and started driving along the road next to me, staring me out in an intimidating sort of way, but I was on tje right side pavement, so I said "officer, excuse me but may I tell you that you're on the wrong side of the road". He yelled one final time, and then sped away whilst turning around, skidding so badly as he turned that he almost lost control of the car. The thing is that his grounds for stopping me might have been that merely being on a deserted street in the middle of the night was grounds enough for suspicion; or that I was wearing a certain kind of clothing; or that I somehow "looked suspicious". Could I have been in trouble and could this kind of pretext have been legitimately used????
Many years ago, I was out with a group of mates round Bradford, and we were arrested and thrown into the back of a van. Now, the reason they gave for the arrest was we had been seen vandalising a telephone box (showing my age a bit there 😂) specifically they said they had a "witness" who saw me holding the handset up above my head waving it around... It is my belief they were trying to pin something on me thinking I was that pissed they would get away with it, how wrong they were! I suggested they will need to bring their so-called witness forward as I knew I had been nowhere near any phone boxes...
Anyway, we were kept in overnight for something we hadn't done and then released, I get that the police need to carry out their investigations etc but in my case either the Police were lying, or their "witness" was lying and either way it's about time the innocent party got some compensation when this happens either directly from the Police or from the so-called "witness"...
Same but slightly different.
I have never understood the authority that the police have to detain/arrest/deprive of liberty persons who are later released with no charges preferred against them. All people arrested should have the opportunity to appear before a Court and force the arresting Officer to explain why they took that action.
Telephone Box! ☎️ Haha!
This was a typical ruse, to get into trouble or drunk (perceived) It was badly abused typically in my area if a bouncer/doorman said "something negative, causing trouble you were drunk, ANYTHING negative" easy option cell overnight. Sometimes charges would be filed with the only witness some lying police officer who witnessed (actually witnessed Nothing) Depending on how busy the court was either let off or a fine (and a criminal record) Today police are not really trusted enough to result in I a charge unless a second policeman also testified, but if the guy had his own solicitor (as opposed to the duty "facilitator" ) turn up it was usually dismissed as the policemen would be made to look foolish
THE POLICE WERE LYING AND JUST TRYING TO GET POINTS FOR THE ARRESTS.
To put Police effectiveness into perspective the following is from Home Office records :-
Total crime clear up rate = 7.8% (this includes crimes actually solved by the pubic and reported to the police, and is after many crimes have been declassified to no longer being reportable).
Total cost to the Tax Payer = £21.7 Billion (this doesn't include gold plated pension payments to ex officers).
Imagine a Company Chairman standing up at the annual shareholders meeting and saying that he needed an annual cash injection of £22 billion and that he would guarantee a 92% failure rate!
That is a rosy view of the failure rate. I'm my area, "served" by Surrey police, the clear up rate for burglaries is, apparently, wait for it... ZERO percent by their own figures. Needless to say, if I pummeled a scallywag breaking into my house (or heaven forbid, "misgender" someone), I expect they'd have me in the cells in no time.
Jesus Christ.
@@Steves_fish Latest figures (2022) give a 6.4% clear up rate and an annual expenditure of over £24 billion.
But crime fighting is just a side hustle and they're not that good at it. They've only had 194 years to practice.
If you have a 2 million pound house, children called Toby & Catriona & your wife mistook a fox in the bins for an intruder, I bet they'd be round in seconds - that fox better have good legal counsel.
After I finished work, I was standing at a bus stop when a police car pulled up and asked me my name. It was during the day. I was very close to a retail park (where I worked) and it was packed with loads of people. It was the day before Eid so there were a lot of locals doing their Muslim version of "Christmas shopping".
Initially, the police car drove past me on the opposite side of the road where I was then it turned around at the end of the road and came back in my direction. At first, I thought it was going to drive through the very busy retail carpark but instead it pulled up at the bus stop I was stood at. When I asked why I was being asked my name, I was told that they were looking for someone who matched my description. At that time, I had no idea that I could have simply refused to speak to them. Note: unless you're suspected of committing a crime/or about to commit a crime, there's nothing the police can do if you simply say nothing and walk off.
I had done nothing wrong. In fact, all I'd done was put my own health at risk to continue to work during all the pandemic lockdowns in a busy store in order to ensure that others got their essentials. When questioned, I'd only just come out of work and was simply waiting at a bus stop to go home. I felt that the reason they gave to justify asking me my name was a lame excuse for a Stop and Account, as if I had been the person they claimed to be looking for then I'd probably would have lied about my name anyway. I've never experienced anything like this before and I found it very humiliating.
What really makes me angry about this is that years ago when I had been scared out of my flat by local thugs and I rang the police for help they REFUSED to even come out to my call. However, they were more than happy to harass me last year for simpy daring to wait at a bus stop after I'd just finished work. I can't help but strongly feel that I'm a victim of PREJUDICE regarding the way the police have treated me.
As taxpayers pay their wages, how come the police can pick and choose who they want to help and who they want to refuse to help?
If they'd thought I had done something wrong then they should have stated so and not just simply harassed me for no reason. I'm sure that I wasn't the only person around the very busy retail park that day who was dressed in similar coloured clothes. However, the police didn't bother to even drive through the busy carpark before or even after speaking to me in order to find "the person they claimed that they were looking for".
Obviously, if I happen to find myself in this situation again, where I'm stopped and asked my name by the police, I'll refuse to even speak to them. As I'm a law abiding citizen, I never felt that I needed to learn about citizens' rights in regard to police powers. However, I now realise that EVERYONE, not just the criminals, should learn about their rights when having any dealings with the police. The police can harass you for NO REASON.
Recent newstories about police corruption also shows that there's a lot of criminals in uniform who are more than happy to abuse their powers.
You appear to be very upset about something that is water off a duck's back.
@@TheWhoever118 you have obviously not been stopped for no reason and treated like shite. I have, x2, so I can understand why this poster feels upset.
@@devilineden727 I think he's just a troll. Or a cop.
Just not fit for the purpose,just not doing the job that they are getting paid to do am afraid.
@@brigader4heart272 You are perfectly sensible being afraid; avoid police wherever possible.
Uk police have the power to arrest if you’re standing in public thinking “wrong” thoughts…
I am nearly 80 and have never broken the law except for speeding. However I have in the last 20 years been witness to several police incidents and sadly in each case the officers bordered on pathalogial liars to the point that I would never speak to a polkice officer in my life again because based on experience what I said would probably be distorted by lies. If you say nothing it is that more difficiult to lie about it. I would only speak to a police officer with a solicitor present.
Agree,mate,I am 66, never been in trouble.During lockdown in London I saw their thuggery and bullying first hand.I have zero respect for them,now I fear then.
Being pulled over by a police car while exercising on my extremely well-lit cycle and Hi-vis vest at the quiet time of 00:15 'because there has been a house break-in'. My white beard and moustache were under a snood so my post-70 age was not apparent. I could have been cheeky and said there were plenty of fast get-away cars and unlit blackened bicycles around and where are the gilt candlesticks and swag bag?..but knowing police logic I just said I was out cycling (in my polite RP voice).
There’s a clear need for a flow diagram for issues like this - with simple questions and paths for the possible answers.
While I agree, the issue is recalling the flow diagram when you are stopped in the street at some random point in the future. Even if you keep the flow diagram on you, you might find it difficult to consult without escalating the situation. Really the best advice is to keep the conversation pleasant with the police, and try find out: i) if you are under suspicion of an offence, in which case you will have to give your name, dob, address for indentification, ii) if they want you to account for yourself, in which case you should (only) tell them about what you have been doing, where you have been and are going and what you have on you and only do so IF you wish to (they can ask the question, but you don't have to answer), iii) if the police want to search you, in which case, you should ask them what they are looking for and why they think you have this item on you; you don't have to tell them anything but should allow yourself to be searched. Try to memorise this.
Great idea .... these would sell extremely well.
@Kether Lecter Everett Anything you say may be taken down....as the bishop said to the actress.
Hemingway, yes chat is working in all the various forms of English used by the hoi polloi, as demonstrated by yourself.
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_@Rattus Norvegicus what does IT_ _matter any way if its still readable and_ _others can clearly understand the point_ _made why should it even warrant_ _mention.grammer nazis do it just so they_ _can feel better and smarter then.its just_ _comment section on youtube not an SA_
I was alluding to the fact that you were on here, so ∴ the comment section was working. Well done.
@Kether Lecter Everett No need to apologise, all`s well :)
Never ever,,ever..ever trust a police officer! Know your rights and stick to them!
It annoys me intensely that so many ask for date of birth even if just reporting a problem
I was stopped in my car by two officers who had tailed me from a roundabout near Guildford University.
This was an older officer demonstrating procedures to a younger one.
Having checked that the car and my paperwork were in order, they announced they were going to search the car for explosives and drugs.
This was where the fun started.
When they make that announcement, they have to go through EVERYTHING.
The boot of my car hadn't been cleaned out in the two years I'd had it, and my mother had owned it for five years before me.
It was grim (and that's being polite).
His face, when he opened it was a picture I will never forget.
It took him ten minutes of distasteful rummaging to find nothing, while I sat on a wall grinning cheerfully.
Sometimes, you get the bear, and sometimes, the bear gets you !
Good man, and it cost you nothing but 10 minutes of your time. The rookie learned a bit more about his job, and you got a good laugh out of it. Win win. 👍
Yep , I hope you kept suggesting new places to look ( inside the tyres maybe ) to keep them busy .
Also if they ask you to chose your ethnicity say you identify as ( pick any Black ethnicity) and that will really piss them off as there is a new regulation that they MUST now record ethnicity , and they will be accused of racism if the stats show an excess of BAME stops 😂
@@A2Z1Two3 Alas, this was a few years ago, before WOKE & BAME were even thought of. (This was a time when many people were filling out their Census forms and listing their Religion as Jedi, just to annoy the census people. If enough of you were listed as followers of that religion, they had, by law, to include it on the Census Forms the next time around !)
@@A2Z1Two3 "pick any Black ethnicity"
*pick any black ethnicity
While they were rummaging, you should have taken a shite in their car!!
After watching this is still don't know when im obliged to give police my personal details!
The man’s a complete fool…don’t know what he talking about…🤡
Ask. Ask them what happens if you don’t. If it’s an investigation and the use something like a section 50 then you don’t u less then then detain you further after their initial investigation. Even under the terrorism act as they stop and search you you don’t have to. Only if they then arrest you. Traffic stops then generally you do in almost all circumstances. Watch a few auditing Britain videos they are a true education
@@simonbath8503 I probably didn't word my comment correctly. What I mean is I cannot tell from this video when I'm supposed to give my details. I came to the UK after leaving university in 1994. I was arrested twice in South London, had my car stripped on the side of the road at Norwich Airport, was stopped and breathalysed over 30 times. Everything came to a head when my apartment in Epsom was searched without a warrant twice. It was them I made a complaint. The police initially denied that they entered my apartment. But they missed the camera I the lounge. Long story short I was incorrectly identified as a terrorist threat. I eventually got a letter of apology from the police and have not been stopped for anything since 1999. In all these interactions I was never charged with anything and have never answered any police questions.
@@hugostiglitz6914 wow. Well as a data subject in any of these interactions you can request the body worn footage or any footage the police take. Do this as quickly as you can as they tend to go missing by accident a lot and they only have to hold for so long. In your example at that point it would be likely you are required to identify yourself. You were (wrongly) targeted so that’s not a normal interaction. In a random police encounter outside of road traffic stops they can’t just demand ID but have to have grounds to stop you.
@@simonbath8503 This all happened roughly between 1994 and 1999. There were no body cams in those days. One of the arrests was in Streatham. I spent 6 hours in a cell with a drug addic coming down off something. He was screaming and banging his head off the wall. There was blood everywhere. In those days Amnesty International used to visit the police stations to see if there was any non British nationals. As soon as they arrived I was released immediately.
They openly admitted I was arrested for being cheeky. I had about 50 interactions with the police but only two arrests. Some were roadside abuse, most times I was breathalysed. My car has 5 cameras on it ( 2 forward, 1 rear and 1 on each mirror) and a tracker that records my speed. There's a ton more I could put here but I'm sure you get the idea!
My word this bloke loves the sound of his own voice.
I really like how impartial you are. You simply state the fact in regards to the law and a persons rights, Police powers and how it all works. I know some Police officers and they like how you educate everyone no matter who you are (including police and public) on what rights and laws (rules) are and how it all fits together. Its not an easy subject to understand but very easy to mistake and trip yourself up. Thank you for helping people to see where we stand…..both in law and the general people of the public. You sir, are a gentleman.
Well that's how the law is supposed to work without favour or bias. Unfortunately that isn't the reality.
Almost like it's been designed to trip you up with loopholes only they can abuse 😂
He’s a lawyer!😂
It is important to remember that all lawyers are part of the system, meaning they earn their living from that said system.
They also have a tendency to take an 30 minutes to explain something that could have been said in 5 minutes because all the time they are talking they are earning.
…
It’s a bit like some of the big Charity organisations, there is a problem somewhere so they create a company that can help the people suffering with the problem,
But they never help resolve the issues that are causing the problem because their income is reliant on helping those who are dealing with the problem.
[instead of solving the problem they create a lucrative industry around it]
The key phrase to ask, every time they ask you to provide your details is...
Am I legally obliged?
They tend to backtrack when posed with that question, if you watch as many auditing videos as I do, you'll hear this being asked all the time.
Just like when they ask why you're taking pictures/filming etc, you reply with 'am I breaking any laws' they almost always reply in the negative, but they still feel the need to ask.
Even more than solicitors, the police don't like giving legal advice. Actually, solicitors don't mind too much, providing you pay for it.
@@loveistheantedote1811 That's Freeman of the land bollox
Police on the left side of The Pond are permitted to lie to the public, but not in a court of law.
@@loveistheantedote1811
Would it not be best-business-practice to design your own id?
1-your photograph with the words, :with the likeness of the original: written on it
2-your postal contact details, with the words :in-the-private: written on it
3-your telephone number, with the words :for emergency use only: written on it
4- For the confirmation of our date-of-birth is with our mother and we have no
knowledge of our date-of-berth
The reason they want you to use `official` id is, because when you do, you are identifying yourself as a government employee and bullying you to UNDERstand the inferior authority of your Trustees/Public-servants whom are with nothing but the PRESUMPTION that you are under their statutes/by-laws/ordinances/rules & regulation/terms & conditions of THEIR employment.
@@user.--.
Have you found that over the years, the more you did FOR FREE for your Trustees/ Public-servants the more thankless, abusive and corrupt they have become, so may we politely suggest the following good mental health de-escalation-for-remedy?
THE TRUST IS COLLAPSED....so we are no longer granting them any more credit.
If the policeman is not lawfully investigating the crime on behalf of the male/female victim and is entering YOUR company jurisdiction without you summonsing them, then would it not be advisable to be politely placing them under notification that you charge £999 per hour for YOUR time and also £666 for YOUR performance.... and that any further communicating with you, is with them accepting the terms & conditions of the commercial contract IN THE PRIVATE (the cop and their CHIEF INSPECTOR is now with PERSONAL liability.... because Notice-to-Agent-is-Notice-to-Principal...and also through adhesion contract(JOINDER)
This way, you are NOT resisting nor refusing to obey/comply with their orders/policy/ demands/questions, because it is now your WILL (courts uphold Wills) to perform WITH THE CONDITION that payment is with you immediately, because you have NO CONFIDENCE with them administrating YOUR Trust!
THEY HAVE COLLAPSED THE PUBLIC TRUST...so why issue them credit?
Are YOU not the grantor and the beneficiary of YOUR Trust? ...making them the Trustees, whom are with their fiduciary obligation and duty-of-care to be NOT causing you injury nor damage nor loss nor harm.
Is THEIR job YOUR job? Is THEIR company policy YOUR policy?
not unless and until they are PAYING for your time & performance
THE CONSTRUCTIVE TRUST IS COLLAPSED...YOU are no longer performing free-of-charge!
You may be willing to pursue the matter through the small-claims-court and/or through arbitration which is held in-the-private because PUBLIC court is only for the PUBLIC servant.
YOUR TRUST FUND IS NOW WITH RESTORATION....YOU are now making money from every engagement with YOUR Trustees because the days of doing something with them for free are over so be the polite BUSINESS man and rebut their presumptions.....by COUNTER-charging.
Been stopped and searched by police that had been sat outside my home for around 15 mins for "walking suspiciously" when exiting my home lol.
SUE THEM.
Were you stepping on the cracks on the pavement?
I got a bit nervous & stuttered whilst saying my date of birth. They used the DOB to search for a criminal record. However, because I had stuttered they were convinced I had lied about my DOB. Took fing ages, standing in the middle of the night. I kept telling them I was honestly not burglarising & had just left my friends house. They didn't believe me at all.
Shouldn't have gone out with an elephant on ya head. 🙄🤣🤣
@@MrEdrftgyuji never that would be criminal.
I was driving up to a traffic stop crossroads at Gospel Oak North London heading uphill to Highgate. The lane to my left opened up so I moved into that lane to get the jump on the traffic in the right lane which had a very old van at its head. I proceeded straight ahead up the hill (to Highgate, North London) at high acceleration that a VW GTI does beautifully to ensure I cleared the slow poke old van. I was well within the then 30 MPH speed limit. Had to pull over as there were flashing blue lights right behind me. I jumped out of the car to deal with the police, to find a lone young policeman peering at my rear license plate. I asked him why the blue lights saying I had legally moved into the left lane. The police officer said I had tried to escape. I roared back, “I had no idea you were chasing me! I see, you thought I was some boy joy rider hoodie in a fast car, & instead you got a 50 year old post menopausal grandma wearing a fleece skull hat! The rookie cop turned red in the face as in the van all his brother officers were roistering
about laughing their asses off at the situation. I felt sorry for the rookie so said “Will that be all officer”?, & proceeded to get back into my car to leave. What a hoot!
Clearly ordinary people have no rights to silence, if all the policeman has to do is to say he was suspicious!
Always ask for their ID first…name, rank, number, station you work at and your lawful reason for detaining me.
Police are under an obligation to provide you those details at the commencement of the detention for a search anyway
Armed with that information you can then call the police station and ask for a physical description of the officer or to confirm what they are doing / why they are out stopping people.
@@EdOeuna ha ha good luck with finding a direct phone number of a police station. you make me laugh
@@boxfullofneutral8514 - in that case you can’t verify the veracity of the Officer so shouldn’t communicate with them. I guess popping round to the local station is probably impossible nowadays, so you really can’t trust the person to actually be a Police Officer. Cosplay costumes are so realistic!
@@EdOeuna why not? You are of no interest to anyone
I suspect that in 5 years time most people will have a body-cam - just as many motorists have dash-cams today.
I have one now!
We will have to be careful that such body-cameras do not record all our indiscretions...
@@tlangdon12 Just like the police do
Scary but very possibly true
But what if the plods seize the footage as "evidence", which they then somewhat unfortunately contrive to "mislay"?
Sometimes not speaking to the Police can work in your favour. In 2006 I was charged with "Driving while above the legal limit through drink" and "Refusing to provide a specimen of breath, blood or urine for analysis". I plead "not guilty" even though I was guilty as hell. My defence was that I felt that I had been framed by the Police, as I felt the Police officer was very quick to take the breath test away from me and instead charge me with a more serious offence. I was also taken in to a room and questioned about my activities that night, but the officers never revealed exactly what activities they suspected me of committing. I honestly left the Police station under the impression that the Police thought I was someone else other than who I was. So, on the day of my trial, I was just about to walk into the courtroom when my solicitor ran up to me and told me he had just had a tip off from a court clerk that the Police were inside the courtroom waiting for me and I was going to be arrested for crimes serious enough to warrant being held on remand until trial. This resulted in me walking straight out of the court and going home to sort this out via phonecalls. I phoned the PF department and I was advised that I was wanted on several accounts of burglary, assault, and assault with a deadly weapon. Also drug offences and car jacking. I explained that I knew nothing about this, and after a lengthy conversation it emerged that it was a case of mistaken identity. However I was shocked to hear that even though the PF had become aware of my reasons for bunking court, and agreed that I was about to become arrested in a case of mistaken identity, they refused to drop the warrant for my arrest, and before having a new date set for a new trial, I would have to hand myself in to police, be taken to the dungeons and be bailed by the court in the morning. As I wanted to keep driving for as long as possible, and did actually genuinely believe that I was in fact guilty of drink driving, I decided to let the Police come and get me, and did not hand myself in. The Police did eventually come and get me, and I was taken in to custody and held until next morning. When my solicitor came to see me he told me that I was not guaranteed to get bail. The reasons for this is I had another ongoing court case going on for another matter, which had also resulted in me bunking court and having warrants put out for my arrest. However, my solicitor advised me that the PF were willing to make a deal with me, and the deal was that if I changed my plea from "not guilty" to "guilty" on the charges of drink driving and failing to provide, then they would not oppose my bail conditions and I would be 100% guaranteed to be released by the judge. He also advised me that I could continue with my "not guily" plea, and that in his opinion the judge would probably still over rule the PF and give me bail. I chose the 100% option and changed my plea to "guilty". Afterall, I did actually genuinely believe myself to be guilty. My defence was not that I had not been drinking, but that the Police had not given me time to breath into the machine, for reasons I was unaware of, but I assumed to be because they were trying to frame me for more serious things. Anyway, I turned up to my next court date which was for sentencing. And, despite the fact I was pleading guilty to drink driving, the court absolutely astounded me and my solicitor by dropping the drink driving, and charging me with only failure to provide. This meant that I only suffered 5 years of penalty on my drivers license as opposed to 10 years. My solicitor whilst walking out of the court told me that I was the first person he had ever defended that had failed to provide a sample and went on to have his drink drivers charge dropped. It did come to light sometime later however, that the person that I had been mistaken for, had actually been arrested, taken in to custody and released "on my other charge", My other charge was for a misdemeanour, and the burglar with his deadly weapon walked away from the Police station cited to appear in court for my charge. I was unaware of this at the time of me walking out of court. But later it began to make sense. Basically, the court were aware of my reasons for bunking court in the first place. They were aware of my reasons for changing my plea. They were also likely aware behind the scenes of the Police arresting and charging someone else on my other charge. It is possible that my solicitor had also made the court aware what my defence was going to be before changing my plea. So the only explanation I have for them doing me this massive favour is that the court felt they could not trust the Police on this occasion, and that it was likely that the Police did in fact not give me enough time to breath in to the machine, in order to try and frame me for anything and everything based upon them thinking I was someone I was not. Also, had I went into the courtroom for my trial and been arrested and spoken to the police then, everything else that came to light afterwards, would never have came to light, and I "would have" been found guilty of both the drink driving, and failing to provide. There is one thing I have always wanted to speak to the Police officer that charged me that night about, and that is regarding a statement he made to me. When he pulled the breath test away from me, I had asked him to give me another chance, but he refused saying "No, and who's the court going to believe, me, or a criminal like you?". I have always wanted to see him just to tell him, "well, it appears they believed me".
You explained so well and made it so easy to understand the law and how to comply without making mistakes..
One thing that I don’t see many people questioning, is this business of a (supposed) Police officer producing a Warrant Card (in order to identify that they are a Police officer). Now I have managed to get through to retirement, without ever having been in such a situation (long may it continue). Problem: I have absolutely no idea what a real/legitimate Warrant Card looks like. Are they all the same, across all forces? Would I know what a fake one looks like - probably not. So my issue would be, how would I even know if the card produce was legitimate and, if I legitimately couldn’t be sure, what would the implications be if I ended up not accepting that an actual Police officer was one?
This is one of my concerns too. It's easy to download a police logo from their website, good quality printers are cheap as chips and laminators can be bought from any large office supplies store.
It's the same when hiring a skip, you can be prosecuted for not disposing of waste properly and are advised to ask for a waste transfer note and to see the skip company's licence. I wouldn't know what the genuine documents look like.
A very good question. If the police wish to be helpful, they would publicise what their ID cards look like - do they do that?
Exactly, without having any familiarity and expertise in determining the legitimacy of anyone's ID card, we cannot be expected to accept them as evidence of anything at face value.
Steve Naylor
Tell them you have poor vision and need to feel the braille on the card. That is harder to fake.
They do look generally the same across police forces in the UK. However, the specific details are different and you are totally correct that establishing authenticity is not straightforward. Plus, Wayne Couzens had an authentic warrant card...
Former police officer of 31 years: Never talk to the police unless you are legally compelled to.
NEVER talk to the police if you have been cautioned. EVER.
Great video!
@Nigel -- in truth, my own discretion was ALWAYS geared towards helping decent people at every possible avenue: Most aren't.
Glad to hear your response. I had jumped too quickly on a train hoping it was going to Victoria... Something I don't usually do. It ended up going all the way to Luton, non stop. When I got off, I was rather lost & by then desperate for the toilet. Past ticket barrier, I tried to find my way.. Suddenly, 2 officers approached me, asked for my name & ad, & I was in distress! they were serious looking. behind my back, they phoned a family member who I am not even in contact with & I don't see, (haven't seen for 5 years). And asked about me wandering about. It was so annoying as I wasn't doing that, & why could they not ask me myself?). Hopefully they won't be so ridiculous as to write that down against my name?
@@johnglynhughes4239 yes, that's how the public used to think of pc, & how it should be. sadly things seem to have changed.
PC49 in The Eagle comic. I was taught respect. Not now.@@monal3650
@@monal3650 Maybe they’ve always been this way but we never had a way of proving it? The Police were always deemed right, nowadays practically everyone has a recording device in their pocket so the victim or people around him or her can record the incident, we now have social media and their misdeeds can be uploaded and viewed by millions all around the world, so they have to be more cautious they can’t get away now with what they did in the past
How is an average bod on the street supposed to know whether the thing shown to them as a "warrant card" (or any other form of ID, like the gas man etc) is genuine ?
A question I often ask myself.
In other words the police can do what ever they won’t.
Every interaction I've had with the police has gone exactly like this... Am I legally obliged to tell you my name, am I being detained or am I free to leave, I repeat this over then walk away....
Do you have lots of Police interactions?
@@SuperBobbster Don't answer John, this is attempted entrapment!!!
You said more than you should. Only give your name at the police station when arrested. Then you can sue for unlawful arrest if you didn't commit a crime.
@@moby1388 Did you not watch the video and listen to the Barrister????
There’s a film on RUclips of an American doing exactly this in the UK. He both looks like a complete idiot and is in the wrong. I suggest you re-watch this carefully. Firstly, being detained is not the same as being arrested. In the example I gave, the gentleman was leaving a house where an incident had taken place. The police did not imply he had committed any offence but detained him until they could fully established what had happened, who was involved and who might have witnessed it. He was detained whilst this took place. This simply meant he was asked not to leave and prevented from doing so - no force or handcuffs, only verbal instruction. He was not arrested as he had to their knowledge committed no crime, but as this film lays out, if he had walked away chances are he would have been arrested as he most certainly would have committed an offence - ‘obstructing justice’ perhaps (although I’m more hazy here).
I have been stopped and asked for my details, I was told, "there has been a break in, in the town" when I asked why they wanted them, when I asked for the address of the break in, I was told it was "none of your business!" so I said goodnight to the police and walked on my way, without giving them any details, checking with the police the following day, there had been no reported break ins, at all. My question here is, were the police committing an offence by lying about a reason to stop me, and get my details?
Poo lice are allowed to lie to the public, says all you need to know.
Always ask for the incident number of any crime they suggest has taken place..
@Tom Foster giving the police your details when you dont have to is not breaking the law. If you are going to gob off about how clever you are. At least be clever.
He said, under "those circumstances", ie where the WPC, had obligated him incorrectly, using a false authority. That would be a misdemeanor in public office on her part for which you can get compensation. It could then be argued, that knowing that, giving her your details in those circumstances, where you stand to make a profit, could constitute aiding and abetting her crime.
I talked to the police last year because I'm being bullied. After they visited my home, my neighbours, who were causing harrassement but who I never mentioned to the police suddenly and quickly moved house, I like the police but I think they weren't interested in myself and my immediate family, thank you Daniel, God bless you and your family
As a retired officer I firmly believe that schools should educate pupils as to police powers. This could greatly simplify procedures at a later point. Always ask if you are considered a witness, suspect or accused. If it's none of those you can be on your way. If it's any of them you are required to provide specific personal details. Failure to provide those details is an offence for which you can be arrested. Unfortunately a lot of officers don't even know their powers or limits thereof. Poor training is to blame.
Can I just clarify something? What level of "suspicion" does a PO need to need to force you to answer questions? Can't they just make something up? If you are then coerced into answering questions but they never actually had a reasonable suspicion you were breaking a law, then can you do anything about it?
You could make a formal complaint, but it's highly unlikely to end in your favour.
Yes; you can sue them for giving you an unlawful order to provide information. The courts have ruled that advice and instructions from a uniformed officer would be regarded as orders.
I would expect that an experienced police officer will be able to come up with a reasonable suspicion about just about anyone at any place or time. However, asking for their reasonable suspicion is good practice as it forces them to consider what their suspicion is AND whether it is reasonable. If they realise that they are on very shaky ground, many officers will change how they deal with you.
Interesting question. I was once stopped by a lone officer whilst walking around a busy part of Birmingham on my lunch break. They took my details and wrote them down. When they appeared to have finished, I asked for a copy of the information they’d recorded on their form. Initially they refused. I questioned this on the grounds of the data protection act which, as I understand it, states that I am entitled to view any recorded data regarding me. At this point, the officer handed me the a carbon copy directly from their notebook - apparently it was designed so that there was a copy of every piece of data they recorded, presumably for the purpose of providing a copy to the person they had stopped.
When I read it, the reason given for me being stopped was on suspicion of carrying drugs and/or burglary tools. I asked the officer if they were serious. When they replied yes, I asked if wearing jeans and a leather jacket during a walk around the block on my lunch break was considered suspicious. There was no reply. At this point I simply laughed at the officer and told them that had I been up to no good, I would have just lied to them. I turned my back and walked away. They didn’t follow.
@@neuralwarp Only the rich can afford to take on the police in open court, there isn't justice in this country only law and the laws are not put in place to help only to control.
'Suspicion' covers a multitude of things when concerning 'investigations' by the police.
It doesn't even need to be a legitimate suspicion,all they've got to do is delve into the "go to" bag,and pull something out that "sounds"plausible..
@@ianhill4585in reality there's always the 'ways and means act'.
@@jasondavis8886 Thanks Jason ,I didn't realise it was a "thing", thanks for the "heads-up", I just meant from a point of logic,it's their word against ours, scary to think it's not just my flippant remark.
@@ianhill4585 it is a thing, it is scary.
Record everything. Because their body cams are miraculous at not working properly and the right time Haha....
There are hundreds of videos where police question Auditors that they say they are suspicious of, and the Auditors refuse to give ID , and the police leave .
An officers ‘suspicion’ is an incredibly low burden of evidence , especially as we all know that many officers themselves have criminal records or are under internal investigation .
I will take my chances and NOT ID thanks .
I was driving near twickenham and it was after a game and the police were hand signaling the traffic at a junction. He signaled me to go or at least I thought he did and as I started he ran over to the car and just lost it at my window. My wife and kids were shocked. I politely said that I was under the impression he was signaling me to come at which point he threatened to drag me out the car and arrest me. I locked the doors wound up the window and drove off as he was clearly unstable. Nothing ever happened but I regret not reporting him.
Traffic had been stopped to clear a breakdown... The truck was cleared and I thought the Police officer was waving me fwd.. I stopped immediately after a few yards when he made it clear he didn't want me to move... But he then went on to give me a near hysterical tounge lashing that made me worry for my safety... He appeared unhinged... One would have thought I had raped his wife.. Don't these morons realise how they alienate the law abiding public.
So basically, if it is an 'unlawful' stop & search by a Police Officer, they can just blag it and state they have had an anonymous tip-off of someone matching your description acting suspiciously, or having committed a crime, then demand your details.
This happened to me once whilst stood by a set of traffic lights waiting for my mate to pick me up to go training. It was in a well-to-do area, I was in my training gear (trainers, shorts, t-shirt), and, if it had any bearing or not, my hair was close shaved. Seems that some nosy neighbour didn't like the look of me and called the Police. The Officer attending made up some bull stating a house had been burgled by someone matching my description. I was calm and polite, and asked if we could discuss this by the patrol car as drivers were 'rubber-necking'. What I didn't like was the Officer taking hold of my arm and marching me to the car. Once details had been given, I asked the Officer for a form of written proof that I had been stopped and checked should another Police vehicle stop and want to search me in relation to this 'burglary'. So I had the Officer's name, badge number, attending station, time, date, etc. All because some snooty busy-body didn't like me standing near their home on the pavement waiting for a lift.
Maybe they knew your surname? lol
@@gimmeabreak7531 well done 😂😁👌
How much did you get for the stolen items?
The problem is even if challenged later they can just say someone looking like some bloke who did something weeks gone by matching description (ie being male and white, or even black), they don't need to be so exact.
If , as they have stated a House had been burgled and someone matched your description , you SHOULD have asked him for the call log number as he was probably bullshiting you into giving your details . Scum the lot of them .
All of the above simply accentuates the fact that the Police can do whatever they want, and they'll ALWAYS find an excuse for doing it.
Well, erm, yes, if there has been a crime committed. If you were a policeman you'd do the same (I'm not btw).
@@Jez2008UK Some of them regularly abuse these powers and abuse their authority to intimidate unknowing folk into complying with unlawful orders. Auditing videos showcase this. Good officers are often on these videos and get the respect they deserve from the auditors and their viewers.
Only needed the police three times in the whole of my life. They failed miserably on every occasion. One situation had to be sorted by the Civil Court (I won with all damages being paid by the other party). Another occasion they looked after their mate, a retired police officer who my solicitor said should have been charged with threatening behaviour.
Zero time for the police
@@Jez2008UK Naive. Plenty of corrupt police and plenty more who play just on the line. And good ones too, of course.
There’s also the one if you get pulled over in your car, they say they can smell drugs - cause for a search. Then they can’t be disproven.
Your channel is so essential to me
I'm an American with a British daughter, so obviously I have lots of contact with the UK, some I look forward to, and often with aspects of it which I would prefer to avoid
Learning the differences between the rights of Brits vs Americans are so important so that I don't assume rights I don't have and also that I am aware of the lines the UK government isn't allowed to cross with me
This is very interesting to myself as an Irish citizen living 21 years in Manchester U.K., where I’ve always held and renewed my Irish passport the entire time - I’ve only ever had contact with the police as a victim of crime and as a witness to crime and in all cases, I always carry my passport with me at all times as a form of ID - I don’t film nor take photos in public places nor do I attend protests, but as you say, the recent changes happening in the U.K. do give cause for concern, including changes to various aspects of U.K. law, where I’m very nervous about bills passing through Parliament via the Commons and the Lords and how these changes will affect us here in the U.K. going forward - I have extended family in Rural Ireland outside Dublin whom I visit as often as I can, where I watch events very closely, including laws passing through our Parliament Dáil Éireann as introduced by our Taoiseach (Prime Minister) and I’m watching very carefully the behaviour of our police force An Garda Siochana (Gardai) and again, this is raising serious concerns there, just as it is for my English friends here in the U.K., some of whom have relatives living in Ireland, where the behaviour of the Gardai has given cause for concern
There's so much ambiguity and contextualisation that can be exploited by the police they can stop you and demand personal information and justify it after the fact with impunity. Which is a concern when we have a corrupt and broken by design police service that does not protect the people it's supposed to serve.
Protect and serve the state/crown, not the individual...big difference
Absolutely correct..... When the mobile phone legislation was introduced where i am in Australia I wrote on a legal website that i believed that the wording was deliberately vague in order to assist the Police. One Government Facebook page was giving conflicting advice and I was blocked from commenting when I pointed that out.
No they cant - do not give details if you are innocent. Say you will give details adter speaking to a solicitor where they will have to produce real evidence. SO YOU ARE NOT DENYING YOUR DETAILS JUST TAKING LAWFUL ADVICE FIRST.
The police always try to make you incriminate yourself even if you’ve done nothing wrong.
If you’ve done nothing wrong… what exactly are they trying to make you incriminate yourself in? What a ridiculous statement.
@@jaspercoulson06
If you have ever read the Miranda Rights, you would know why. "Anything you say CAN and WILL be used against YOU in the court of law" This is why the 5th ammendment exist in America "The right to remain silent" as a means to not incriminate yourself in any way which ties back to the Miranda rights , in the uk constitution that says "citizens have the right to not say anything in the face of self sabotage questions, you are not obligated to speak but you can have a lawyer or attorney present to note what you can and shouldnt answer. You are obligated to identify yourself via ID, D.O.B. etc.
If the cops pull you over and ask to search your vehicle anything that can potentially be used as a weapon will be documented and you MIGHT be asked questions but predominantly based on many reports in America they just throw the cuffs on you.
You could be a meat butcher, chef or driving instructor. These cops dont care they have an incentive to throw cuffs on you. America is also #1 in incarcaration rate, the court recieves a funds to do this. They have an incentive to put you behind bars.
All this information is 1 google search away by the way.
Lawyers are needed when you are presented in front of police interrogations for a reason and you are incentivised to have one it is written within the miranda rights.
As the saying goes in Law
"If you did something wrong, you need a lawyer but if you are innocent.. then you absolutely need a lawyer to protect yourself"
Cops arent your friends mate. They are trying to fill quotas.
@@jaspercoulson06Whatever they like.
I'm HoH, they'll say I was noncompliant because I could barely hear and understand them lol.
Silly little things like that.
@@jaspercoulson06 With the proliferation of legislation nowadays there's going to be something you're (not) doing that's illegal. They just need to find out what it is.
@@jaspercoulson06 How naive you are
My pal had a car smash and went through the window screen onto the pavement, this arsey cop gave him a ticket for failing to stop at the scene of an accident he was only 10 feet up the road unconscious.
Long ago, in Coventry, i was walking back from a music store carrying my bass guitar amplifier on my shoulder. A police car pulled up and asked me a couple of questions. I answered and showed them my receipt and i was on my way. I was a law student back then, i did not try to be smart. All over in less than 2 mins. Both went our separate ways with zero stress. Simple.
Problem is with regards to this Law is cops stretch "suspicion" to forcefully search someone or their vehicle.
"I smell an odor" is the most common reason with leaving no room for objection.
@@loveistheantedote1811 No. The police don't care whether or not you call yourself a person, and it makes no difference to the courts either.
Usually bacon isn’t it ?
Well tell them if they smell an odour? they need a better deodorant!
I still remember a trick my shady friend said he used to do. Before the point he was legally required to give his name he would use the line “call me [Leslie]” ,name was changed for comment, and this name was consistent over years and wasn’t just used in that situation but used elsewhere. Since he never did anything that was worth the paperwork this was never a problem but on the rare occasion they situation continued to the point he had to give his actual name his response was to say “well my legal name is [ John Smith ] but my friends call me [Leslie]” and that statement is true.
No, at court the police would need objective evidence they had grounds for suspicion: you matched a real description given by a member of the public of someone fleeing a burglary, for example. Loitering outside a police station or filming a military base would not be grounds because neither are themselves crimes.
Ì have many friends who left the police due to being told to lie in court . As a 13 year old who on an early Sunday morning cycled to my Air training corps Squadron and back home found that the police came to my home and made accusations to me from a constable that had lied about me . I got a written warning from the chief constable about something I had not done .
I'll take "things that didn't happen, for £100" please.
Treat the Police and their Masters the Government as the Enemy at all Times.
Film them from the first moment. Apple Watch has voice recorder that can be turned on discretely
Always film the filth as they are compulsive habitual liers
Am I the only person that has watched this video and realised we have zero rights? If a pig wants your details or wants to search you they can, simply by saying I suspect that you......
I thought human beings always had the right to silence otherwise it is not a a right. This kind of shows you that our so called rights are just a veneer.
@@vicalncraig well the wording is actually “reasonable suspicion”. That actually have to be able to voice and explain reasons as to why they suspect you for whatever. So they can’t just stop you in the street suspecting you without a good reason but of course they will lie and manipulate the situation to excuse their actions. So you do have rights but they just make excuses and trample over them which I guess was your point in the first place. But if you believe they crossed the line then you can take them to court.
Don't wish to be rude but i would suggest that reality is different to theory. Watch a selection of "U tube" Auditors postings. Some are good some not so, but ALL will show the poor standard, quality, and ignorant/deliberate falsehoods and abuse of public office6 the enforcers (police) today provide.
They judge everyone by their own standards. Hence the only difference between police and criminals. The Po lice are armed and in a uniform
Thanks for making these videos. I feel that we should be taught a lot of this stuff at school, and especially what our rights are in society.
@BigJohn Hansome that’s interesting, it’s certainly been a while since I was at school But good to know that is available
@BigJohn Hansome yes but police aren't on your side either. so stuck between a rock and a hard place. i would trust a lawyer more than police personally. i only ever had 3 interactions with the police and each time i was innocent and they were incompetent, one of those times they arrested me for no reason. RUclips channels like this and Auditing Britain are great in helping us know our rights and what to do next time
Good point.. some schools invite Police to come and talk to the students, but they should also invite solicitors and barristers, or better still people who have been treated unfairly and unlawfully by the Police.
Just remember, the police lie about everything.
@@johnvienta7622 I used to work as a technician in a high school. I think all high schools now have a resident cop in Scotland anyway
What are the rules surrounding the officers “suspicion”. If they say they suspect you of a crime however they cannot explain why to you, or the reasons are inadequate are we still required to give our information.
I wouldn't know what a warrant looked like.
Best advice ever from a lawyer “never ever speak to the police”
Which as BBB has explained, is sometimes an offence in itself.
Best reply to a police question ... "I don't answer questions"
@@_Mentat Then a different approach could be taken - a conditional acceptance - such as "I will answer your questions for the fee of £200 per question, payable in advance" - if the cop does not want to contract with you, end of story - your hands are clean as they say in legal land
Exactly what kind of barrister would tell you to comply with the police 🤔 Obviously someone who is a part of the corrupt system!
Why didn't you discuss Rice vs Connolly 1966,
I've always completely ignored their existence when confronted by police, just looked right through them and smile.
Learn your rights and exercise them with authority.
Good one there Mind your fingers clang
thats fine if they have nothing specific.
@@vanpallandt5799 Nothing to hide ???
@@michaelshore2300 i mean if its not a stop for something like a motoring matter etc.
lol...sorry...I had just to stop here to comment on your nickname...nearly spat my tea when I read it....Ahahahhahahahaha
Walking in Londonn, with my son, on a hot summers day, I thought we were heading the wrong way. I stopped and asked a policeman who told me we were. Turning to my son, I apologised cos we had to walk all the way back. Policeman asked if we had water. We didn't so he advised us to get the bus back to our starting point ( Trafalgar Square ) told us thr bus number and pointed to the bus stop over the road where we coild catch it. This was 4 years ago - he was courtesy oersonified and so thoughtful; I couldn't thank him enough. There are rotten apples in the barrel but if you nice to them the chances are they'll be nice to you. They're only human abd have off days like us all. I was a nurse for 40 years, it's amazing how foul and how lovely people can be. ❤
Best advice don't ever talk to the police. I lived at an end of terrace and it would be spray painted and I would paint over as soon as possible. But one time after a house repaint there was a huge spray paint and I decided to report it. Big mistake. They kept me there hours in the station, took so much information from me it felt invasive. Parents occupation etc. When it was all over they told me there was nothing they could do and were not opening a case. I felt violated. Never again.
Speaking from experience, they induce suspicion so they can justify to themselves they are lawfully entitled to your details. Generally this is because you have been standing you ground. They hate that. They also hat e it when you know the law better than they do.
Record, record, record. If they invent evidnce it will be on camera!
"It's automatically suspicious to not choose to give your name, now you have no choice but to give me your name!"
Cops think they're so clever writing loopholes in their own rules to give themselves any power they like.
Suspicion is the means for them to abuse their power. Documented incident a young man was walking along a residential street on his way to work, his place of work was at the end of the street. he was stopped by two police officers who thought he was suspicious walking in what they said was a high crime area. he had his details taken and was searched. He did a foia request and was told no crimes had been reported in that area for many years. Another documented incident during first lockdown a man walking to work was stopped on suspicion of breaking the lockdown rules. His place of work was literally in sight. He had to give his details because they did not believe he was going to work, when they could have simply observed him going into his work place.
Saron The Seraphite
Always complain, it put it on their record, and when they face a disciplinary board which makes its judgement on the balance of possibilities and not the beyond all reasonable doubt like the courts, too many complaints of a similar nature could mean the end of their inglorious career.
@@wjf0ne I agree. In this case, even if the area had been one where the crime rate was very high, the police should not search you or ask for your details unless they consider that you have done something wrong.
A police officer only needs to suspect someone of commiting a crime to arrest them. Imagine the alternatives.
All in a normal day for me and my peers growing up.
Just walk away. The lockdown rules are illegal. They cant stop you from having freedom of movement
Policeman: "answer me these questions three and I will let yee be:
WHAT is your name!?
WHAT is your favourite colour!?
WHAT is the air speed velocity of a unlaiden swallow!?"
I've thought about this & I'm an advocate of truth. If I'm somewhere & I am asked who I am I will proudly state who I am truthfully... I'm not going to be paranoid and try to claim a sovereign citizens right to not to be perceived to exist. The problem happens when I'm asked follow up questions. I might answer the next 10 questions, but as soon as I decline to answer a question after initially freely answering, the officer WILL consider that suspicious & use it accordingly . We all know it's wrong but it's happening.
Will that be if your sitting on a bench having a hot drink and it is when your not supposed to be out. Seen people being took away in Police car to station. Very scary times we are living in
Well just imagine what might happen if the Police didn't round up dangerous coffee drinkers and bench sitters.
Society and its parks would be soon overrun with people just innocently sitting there, drinking coffee. It would be anarchy.
Thank god we have these brave boys and girls in blue to keep our streets protected from these dangerous miscreants. its just a shame they cant seem to do anything about burglaries, knife crimes, mugging and people with unhealthy interest in young girls.
@@lesigh1749 That's to much work going after 'real criminals' much easier to go for law abiding people who's only crime is being out in fresh air having a hot drink!
@@pam164 Much less chance of a coffee criminal fighting back too. The Police still circle them like a pack of Hyenas though, just in case. never attempt to arrest a middle aged lady on a bench unless you outnumber then six or seven to one.
@@lesigh1749 Ha ha that's me! Love them to try it. Even my kids say hope they don't stop you as you will really kick off. Unfortunately they don't take after me 😄
@@lesigh1749 It is vital we are protected from people with an unhealthy interest in coffee.
Very helpful information, especially given the risible nature of so many UK laws. At times I suspect most of the UK legal system is in fact a highly ornate parody or satire, fashioned after something Voltaire wrote while suffering an acute bout of indigestion.
Thi is NOT useful advice but advice that will get you stitched up!
You say "Legal system". My friend, It's parliament who passed all these fucking law, the lawyers have nothing to do with it. Stop voting for morons and we won't get moronic laws.
along time ago... crickey in the 80s, i got stopped in a car.. the copper was high as a kite.. he searched the empty boot and asked what was in the box.. quick as a flash i went and opened the invisible box saying look its empty.. and was let on my way.. pretty scary..
Mere suspicion alone is not enough to obtain personal details, there has to be material facts regarding the totality of circumstances that would lead a reasonable person to suspect criminal activity. The BBB did mention the reasonable part of the legislation later, however, it is a really important distinction that needs clarification at all times when discussing police powers.
I also find it best to record your interaction with the police as things get twisted otherwise.
I have only ever logged things with the police then its on record and can be referred to if I decided to take someone to court (another corrupt institution and pointless process), I have called them in the past and at the fastest it took 3weeks to respond and this isn't the slowest, last time I caught motorcycle thief's and they told me to let them go as no-one will be attending.
Absolutely pointless having these idiots in uniform
Feels like you're missing quite a bit here. It is a complex topic though.
If you're driving a vehicle, then any officer can demand ID.
If you're walking along and an officer asks for ID, you rightly refuse, the officer then simply says "well I suspect you of a crime", is still not enough to demand ID.
We all want to be good citizens and help out where we can, but we also live in a relatively free state where we are not required to give a full accounting to anyone with a badge when it suits them.
Do NOT get out of the vehicle, even if asked to by the copper. Once you leave your vehicle you are no longer on private property, you are on "public" land and the copper can then 'legally' do what the hell he likes.
Always remember they use language against you. You are not driving your vehicle, you are travelling in your car.
@@pootle5095 If you are suspected of an offence that is nothing to do with driving or you are supected of an indictable driving offence (such as taking the car without consent), it will be better to exit your vehicle, as the police can "do what the hell they like" to extract you, and damage to you vehicle will have because caused in the lawful execution of their duty. Generally the police will use anything you say against you, so say as little as you need to. Sometimes, admiting to a minor traffic offence can defuse the situation, possibly leading to a stern warning and nothing else. If you are behind the wheel of a car and have the keys in your possession, you are 'driving' it. The "travelling in it" arguement is spurious. I will get out of my vehicle for motoring offences I may have committed IF the police office is in danger if they try to deal with it through the window, such as on a motorway or fast dual carriageway. Ideally we would all drive to somewhere where the police can interact with us without danger to themselves, such as a service station or car park.
Have you found that over the years, the more you did FOR FREE for your Trustees/Public-servants the more thankless, abusive and corrupt they have become, so may we politely suggest the following good mental health de-escalation-for-remedy?
THE TRUST IS COLLAPSED....so we are no longer granting them any more credit.
If the policeman is not lawfully investigating the crime on behalf of the male/female victim and is entering YOUR company jurisdiction without you summonsing them, then would it not be advisable to be politely placing YOUR Public-servants/Trustees under notification that you charge £999 per hour for YOUR time and also £666 for YOUR performance.... and that any further communicating with you, is with them accepting the terms & conditions of the commercial contract IN THE PRIVATE (the cop and their CHIEF INSPECTOR is now with PERSONAL liability.... because Notice-to-Agent-is-Notice-to-Principal...and also through adhesion contract(JOINDER)
This way, you are NOT resisting nor refusing to obey/comply with their orders/demands/ policy/questions, because it is now your WILL to perform WITH THE CONDITION that payment is with you immediately, because you have NO CONFIDENCE with them administrating YOUR Trust!
THEY HAVE COLLAPSED THE PUBLIC TRUST...so why issue them credit?
Are YOU not the grantor and the beneficiary of YOUR Trust? ...making them the Trustees, whom are with their fiduciary obligation and duty-of-care to be NOT causing you injury nor damage nor loss nor harm.
Is THEIR job YOUR job? Is THEIR company policy YOUR policy?
not unless and until they are PAYING for your time & performance
THE CONSTRUCTIVE TRUST IS COLLAPSED...YOU are no longer performing free-of-charge!
You may be willing to pursue the matter through the small-claims-court and/or through arbitration which is held in-the-private because PUBLIC court is only for the PUBLIC servant.
YOUR TRUST FUND IS NOW WITH RESTORATION....YOU are now making money from every engagement with YOUR Trustees because the days of doing something with them for free are over so be the polite BUSINESS man and rebut their presumptions.....
.....by COUNTER-charging.
Exactly. Kicking back at the 'papers please' mentality is an absolute civic duty.
@@pootle5095 Not one single "fact" in this that is both legally correct and relevant. It's 100% steaming pile of utter rubbish. Why post crap like this that does nothing but expose your ignorance ? Next time you awake from a bad trip from cheap drugs, DO NOT write down the 1st thing that comes into your head.
There was a case that went to a West Yorkshire court in the 70s where a guy had been arrested and had refused to utter a word to the police. He was nevertheless charged with the offence he was arrested for, which he was caught in the act of committing, and went before the court without anybody having a clue who he was. He didn't utter a word in court, was convicted and fined, which he paid in cash, and left the courtroom smiling smugly. It was reported in the Yorkshire Post, if anyone wants to check it out.
Thanks BBB for ‘muddying the waters’ a little more by omitting to reveal the real motivation and reasons why these agents are so compelled to interact deplorably with the ‘public’; often contempt for people and Rule of Law, ignorance, or laziness are apparent in their conduct and lack of professionalism; either way they lose the trust, confidence and consent of the people they want to ‘serve’ and their job only can become harder to do and more expensive to administer, after all, “consent to contract makes the law” maxim applies [Cf. Crimes Act 1961, s.9];
It is hilarious comparing the actual law compared to how the police actually act. Not even close.
That’s because on the streets police enforce their will not laws.. for the lack of a better word.. the police are dangerous criminals plain and simple.
To detain you under a certain section of PACE, e.g. section 1, section 23 etc, they do need grounds to detain you. Under section 50 of PACE (which requires you to give your details), they still need grounds. Get them to explain the section your detained under and what their grounds are.
And the must be REASONABLE GROUNDS and that means some sort of evidence outside of their own heads.
I was stopped once before while I was driving. The cop asked me, "do you know why I stopped you?" Knowing that I had done nothing wrong, I replied, "If I guess the right answer, will I get the first price?" He wasn't happy with my reply, so he arrested me for "wasting police time". I have never heard of such rubbish! At the police station, I explained it all to the custody sergeant that was on duty at the time what had happened. He looked at me with a surprised face. He took the cop that arrested me aside, I don't know what was said, but when he came back, he said that I was free to go! My point of all this is, why can't they just give us the reason why they had stopped us, instead of wasting our time and obviously theirs too!!
What does suspicious behavior look like? One person's suspicious is another person's normal.
They will usually ask for your details if you are questioned by them. My understanding is that you are not required to provide these unless they suspect you of an offence. Ask what the offence they suspect you of. There is an exception, which if you are driving a motor vehicle they can rightly demand to see your drivers licence
I was arrested once and the Plod who were ferrying me to the local nick were asking all sorts of questions, most made no sense as far as I was concerned, when I arrived at the bully boys club (the nick) I was put in an "Interview room" and when Inspector Cluesau started asking questions I said I had already answered these questions in the back of the police car, he was furious with those particular coppers and I wouldn't answer anything he asked, I was kept in overnight and slung out in the morning because I still refused to cooperate, never was told why I was pulled in....wankers. 👮💩
Your Christian name isn’t Andrew. It’s Wayne.
@@outlander271... Bruce Wayne?
@@Roadent1241 Wayne Kerr.
@@outlander271 Which one's he?
@@Roadent1241 not Ronnie Pickering.
I feel there is some bad advice here.
Being a scruffy hippy I get stopped quite a bit. I always refuse to give details. I always question their spurious reasons for stopping me.
I have questioned a few solicitors and barristers about this and have always been advised to never give any details unless arrested. That there is no obligation in law to do so.
I certainly wouldn't want this barrister defending me in court.
Cos hes in the same box as the law system
Did they tell you what the advantage of not giving your information was? I can think of a lot of disadvantages. Not being legally obligated doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. Sure, maybe you can file a complaint after you are arrested. But wouldn't it be better not to be arrested in the first place? I've been stopped by the police several times, showed ID when asked, and then was on my way in a couple of minutes. I've never been arrested. The only disadvantage of not providing identification that immediately comes to mind is that they can use your ID to look up your criminal record. If you are a criminal that could be big problem. Otherwise, not so much. My criminal record is a blank piece of paper with my name at the top. They can waste their time looking that up if they want. But it's kind of boring.
@@TerryProthero because they record it. The more often you are stopped the more likely you are gonna be stopped again. The more often they can record these stops without incident the more able they are able to target minority communities.
There is also the fact that the less you argue the more able governments are to bring in draconian laws. It's how all fascist governments begin. And it's because people like you going, "but I've done nothing wrong, I have nothing to hide," that not enough argument is given to stop draconian fascist powers being enacted.
It is exactly what is happening in the UK as they gradually erode our rights stopping protests and strike action. Because people not directly involved don't fight for everyone's rights they don't see their rights disappearing until it is too late.
As Pastor Martin Niemõller wrote of fascist Germany.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.
That's who you will be. The one at the end.
And it is happening. The anti LGBTQ rhetoric, especially trans, growing antisemitism, immigrant hating, union busting, zero hours contracts, food banks, whether you wanna believe it or not are all happening because people like you keep on saying, "but it's nothing to do with me so why should I argue?"
Because we minorities are your buffer zone. Once they've stopped us you're next. But you're most likely too shielded by your privilege to see past it and see that you are only safe so far because people like me are fighting for all of us!
@@TerryProthero probably you are correct! However, on a point of principle we are supposed to be free from harassment from anyone, including the police and government. Police should do their job and not harass ordinary sovereign people, and that includes ILLEGALLY asking someone for their ID. It's not their job to harass people and ILLEGALLY asking someone their details is HARASSMENT.
Ask all those questions, as if they are nicey, nicey!
The will make up a suspicion !!!
I went to report seeing a handbag stolen in Adalaide years ago. ( i know its a different country ) and they tried to accuse me of stealing it. That day i learned a lesson.
Clear and invaluable advice once more. I frankly don’t know anywhere else where accurate vital legal advise is made freely available for the ordinary man in the street as to how to behave in often stressed situations everyone occasionally will face. What a fantastic service this is. Much respect. I hope your site grows the following it so richly deserves.
So the bottom line is, if you are a law abiding citizen who has done nothing wrong the police can force you to give your details whether you like it or not.
NO THEY CANT DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS BARRISTER - THE POLICE CANNOT THINK YOU ARE GUILTY WITHOUT RAS!
Pretty much. And I need to show my ID to my bank teller too. So, what?
@@TerryProtherowhy do you need to show ID to them?
@@sorrysirmygunisoneba
My bank teller? They need to make certain who I am before taking money out of my account. It's a reasonable security measure.
@@TerryProthero How is this similar to the police coercing you into giving your details without reason? Because if you don’t you will commit an offence? You’re conducting a transaction with a business.
I got pulled over mid covid and the copper stuck his unmasked face into my face after opening my car door and after a loud argument the reason he pulled me over was that "he thought i was going to overtake a car back down the road" i never overtook any cars and after being accused of smelling of alcohol ( i dont drink ) he never had a breathalyser or a working dashcam or bodycam so i sent him on his way
Do not engage with the police and by association the establishment. Do so at your own risk.
Thank you for another informative video on the theory of the law. In practice, however, I suspect there wasn't much opportunity for discussion as Couzens forcefully manhandled Everard into his police car.
Considering he was given the nickname of "The Rapist" by his colleagues, implies they knew about him and still protected him.
@@ptonpc I think ur right. Otherwise how
did he think he could get away it?
The suspicion has to be reasonable in the circumstances and based on more than just a feeling or an opinion.
No the police officer will just say I could smell cannabis so I'm going to search you under miss use of drugs act
I wish police knew this lol 😆 nemo
I had an incident several years ago, a policeofficer searched my house without a warrant or anything like that. There had been a complaint against my partner, he said he didnt need a warrent as he suspected a crime had been committed 3 weeks earlier. I let him he took a laptop which he didnt have his receipt book at the time, he did send a letter later he never gave it back to this day 11 years later. Wasnt mine and my partner at the time said just leave it. It really shook her up and she didnt want anything to do with it. He also tried to question her without caution which I said no not without a lawyer. They arrested her, i got her a laywer two hours later shes home and all charges dropped. This cop doesn't like me now and I had loads of problems after that. I once called 999 they didnt come, had an officer peeking through my curtains for a traffic offence that didnt happen, 4 visits for that. if I breathed funny they where all over me like a bad smell. Tried fitting me up several times. Theyve lost interest now but goes to show. Im a professional btw and ex armed forces. I nearly joined the force myself upon graduating now dont trust them as far as I can throw them. Broken system in my opinion.