Texas Dreams: Injury Nightmares
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- This is the first segment of a two part series covering the multitude of problems taking place at Texas Dreams. This segment will analyze their history of injuring their gymnasts at an unusual rate.
Many gymnasts start off with highly competitive NCAA offers and later have to settle for subpar offers because the top university no longer wants to accept them.
Many gymnasts have spoken out on Kim's overtraining and ignoring pain, as well as more disturbing allegations that will be covered later this week.
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Injuries certainly happen in elite sports but there seems to be a clear pattern at Texas Dreams with the elites and national team members. It’s the pattern that is what should be raising some eyebrows with USAG. In my opinion, USAG should be responsible for seeing the red flags and identifying what is contributing to this pattern. Were the coaches not referring the gymnasts to medical care because they are incompetent, ignoring the gymnasts, abusive, too arrogant in their knowledge (or lack of) about injuries, too pressured to get their gymnasts to the top or think short term, not pacing them appropriately, reluctant to refer to Nassar (how much did they actually know or not know at the time?), or were they referring to Nassar thinking the injuries were getting treated? There are too many questions that should’ve been answered years ago when this pattern was emerging. Some of the responsibility should also fall on Kim and Chris. Did they not see this pattern? What did they do about it?
Everyone saw the pattern. No one did anything because Kim. Also USAG clearly does not care about the wellbeing of its athletes.
@@Constantin9va My concern is the coaches still being allowed to coach, despite any type of ban they may be given (Maggie Haney, anyone?).
@@Constantin9va USAG absolutely does not care about its athletes. I can’t believe the org is even still standing after Nassar. I’ve been calling for it to be dissolved since then.
And in addition, many gymnasts talked about how Nassar would just give them pain killers and Karyoli’s liked him because he would allow the girls to compete on injuries they probably shouldn’t have been competing on.
@@janetslater129 💯 this should NOT be happening and needs to stop. If Tokyo 2021 has no Stick it style protest I’m abandoning the sort for good!
This is the way the Karoli's trained Kim. It's probably the only way she knows. As an elite gymnast myself in the early 80's, I was treated the same way by some of my coaches. With the Karoli's being the leading coaches of USAG for so long they set the precedent for all of the other coaches. There needs to be a reeducation campaign for these top level coaches on what is not acceptable treatment of these child athletes. They are doing what they think will motivate the gymnasts in the present and not considering the long term mental health. I developed an eating disorder when our team was weighed everyday. I watched as other gymnasts were shamed for gaining a pound or two. It scared me and I vowed to never be accused of being fat. So at 15 I began to restrict my calories and eventually it developed into anorexia / bulimia. It ruined my career and my life until I had my first child at 28. I love gymnastics, but there has to be consequences for the mental abuse of these kids. They are too precious.
So true! I totally agree with what you have said. This seems to support the belief that most people who are abused in their early years turn out to be abusers themselves later on. SAD!
It’s unfortunate Kim hasn’t made a change in Patterson the past but instead continued them.
This is so disappointing to hear. I’ve just lost so much respect for Kim. I’m proud of Dominique Moceanu for breaking this cycle and becoming an amazing coach.
Dominique is an amazing coach and even more amazing human being.
That remains to be seen. Dominique will be the first to tell you this Elite coaching thing is not for wimps. Many Olympians have tried and failed at coaching Elites, or failed to bring one near as far as they went. Then there are those that never were a gymnast and are coaching great Elite gymnasts.
Bailie Key was my hopeful for so many years and it devastated me after watching what happened to her.
IKR
Same - she was one of my favorites. And she didn't even get to enjoy the sport in college for very long. I'm really sad for her.
Yeah, she was one of my favorite elites. Wish she could have gone farther on the international scene
Yes Kym was trained under the cruelty and abuse of Bella BUT as an adult you know the difference between right and wrong. As an adult it is your responsibility to BREAK those cycles and not to reinforce them or re enact them out. Kym started her coaching under a brilliant lady so there is no way she learnt that abuse as an early coach. What we have here is Kym following and imitating her own gymnastic methods, which clearly left the majority of gymnasts broken and fatigued, starved and malnutritioned.
Dominique Moceanu wasn’t very old when she wrote her tell all story about the abuse behind the scenes. Kym is older than Dominique. The difference is Dominique has researched and educated herself on the correct methods of coaching. Surely Kym and her husband should have/ could have educated themselves before starting up a business. Not only is it their livelihood, their reputation on the mound but all of those little girls who stepped through that door were the responsibility of the coaches. I have always admired Kym and I would have thought she would have NEVER EVER wanted her own gymnasts to go through what she and many others endured at the hands of the Karolyis.
Ignorance, laziness and the greed to re live Olympic dreams through younger gymnasts is NOT an excuse or abuse and injure your athletes. Make coaches pass mandatory exams on coaching, which include the dangers of pushing too hard, the dangers of burning out these athletes, especially about injuries and psychological effects that they are having on the gymnasts. These clubs all need mandatory monitoring as a requirement to remain open. Random testing, interviewing gymnasts and their medical records. This form of abuse can no longer be acceptable. No matter who or how successful these coaches are. Being a great gymnast is not ENOUGH to walk into a coaching position. I wonder if they would allow their own children to be subjected to the same coaching they give everyone else’s kids?
Shame and name all those involved. Not just a handful but them ALL.
Exactly. Dominique Moceanu also came up in the Koroli gym and her coaching philosophy is a complete 180.
Sydney Barros now left Texas Nightmares and is currently training at WCC.
I'm literally right in the middle of a video on it lol!
I am pretty sure that WCC is a much better gym for these girls. Simone Biles, I am certain did not go through that type of abuse. I have heard other gymnasts from other gyms stating that they were not allowed to smile nor mingle with other girls during competitions. I just thought that Kim was jealous of Simone. I never thought for a second that she was abusive. Ragen Smith is doing really well in college as a gymnast. The Downie sisters in the UK have been disqualified from the Olympic Trials because they finally spoke out about the abuse. It’s heartbreaking to know of the abuse sustained by the coaches. Already felt Leitrim was abusive but all of this is unacceptable. Just awful.
@@mylesastinnette6208 What GB did to the Downie sisters is inexcusable. I understand the ones sister taking time off because of the tragedy concerning her brother, but the other girl ( I get their names mixed up, sorry) helped qualify GB to the Olympics and then gets shut down and not good enough for the team? But very typical of the sport who sees the gymnasts as being disposable money makers. Yes you want a good, strong team but you don't use people like they are just there to be used.
@@margaretkinnaman8585 The way BG *treated* Becky Downie was abysmal, but I do have to point out that her results in competition this year were... not good. She's capable of huge scores when she hits, but she barely hit all year (including at World Championships a few months ago), and she only had bars and beam to a competitive level, which would have been an enormous risk on a 4-person team. It was the right choice to leave her home - it was just handled in about the worst possible way it could have been.
Whenever I read about these increasing cases of abuse that is being exposed, I can't help thinking that Simone was VERY fortunate to have landed at a gym with Aimee Borman and that Aimee herself after having a coach whose coaching style was not the best in her view, vowed to do differently. Today we see what that different approach has yielded, the BEST female gymnast the world has ever seen. I want to SALUTE Aimee for this because she made the CONSIOUS decision to coach differently than what she had experienced as a young gymnast. Sadly, Kim and others who went through the "Karoyli System' all looked at producing results and paid no attention to the damage they were causing along the way. SAD!
Seeing Bailie's college routine is so sad. One of the most talented gymnast's in her quad 'broken' mentally and physically at Texas Dreams.
Bailie absolutely dominated at the junior level.
Sounds like Karolyi's protege did not fall far from the tree.
I think there should be more training and qualifications needed for those coaching elite gymnasts for sure. Maybe even diploma in muscular skeletal or physio studies that focus on understanding injuries and impact of conditioning.
Also a culture where gymnasts pain is listened to. If you are already an elite, you are serious about gymnastics. You are not some child being dramatic to get a day off when you say you're in pain. Coaches often expect their athletes to blindly trust them but need to trust their athletes just a little ie when they say it hurts believe them.
I feel like for Texas Nightmares, the coaches don’t know how to train their athletes after puberty. Some of the top junior/early senior gymnasts all come from their gym, but as the girls have gotten taller and older, they get so many injuries. It’s really sad to see these amazing athletes not reach their potential. Also the the way they only gave ragan smith, a 16 year old, those cutesy little girl routines was really weird.
It’s sad that a lot of these gymnasts can’t even go to their dream college due to the severety of their injuries. A lot of elite gymnasts are able to have a more fun environment in college but Kim’s abusive methods didn’t even allow them that.
I was also so sad for Peyton because she could’ve medically retired at UF but really wanted a chance to enjoy gymnastics at college. Her body didn’t give her a chance.
Yeah, it’s seems like they really don’t know how to train athletes at all. Just how to break them. It’s all VERY Bela Karolyi. So so incredibly sad. What’s that crabs in a bucket analogy that he used? This is all Pretty Girls in Little Boxes 2.0.
@@Constantin9va It’s crazy how that book is more pertinent now than ever.
@@usagtea8072 right?! Makes me wanna write a sequel so bad. What would I call it? 🤔
Texas Dreams seemed very iffy when it comes to their gymnasts' execution. I was always soooooo disturbed by everyone's DLO on floor lacking height -- there's obviously a conditioning problem, not to mention that's a LARGE factor for injuries.
Yes. It seems to me that some of TD gymnasts tend to “chuck” big skills- relying on power and muscling through them, rather than building up with proper technique.
You should do a series on Woga and Valeri Liukin
Did Valeri do something wrong? You got me curious
Valeri has been accused of abuse by Katelyn Ohashi and Vanessa Atler. According to Katelyn, he would kick girls out of the gym for gaining weight which might have been the cause of Katelyn developing an eating disorder. Vanessa was already battling an eating disorder by the time she got to WOGA. Valeri made everything worse for her by weighing her and overtraining her.
It makes me think about what happened to Rebecca Bross. If you look at what happened at the 2012 Olympic trials after she fell off the bars three times and stopped her from completing the routine, he does nothing to comfort her even when she’s clearly upset. To me, the only athlete he cared for was Nastia because she’s his daughter, obviously. Any other gymnast he treats like nothing. It makes me worry about Konnor McClain because she trains there now…under Valeri’s training! I can guarantee you he’ll break her, too.
@@reneeangely8446 wow... tha is pretty serious facts. Thank you for taking some time to explain it. I did not know Atler had been training with him. Her, Bross and Ohashi were very promising girls that could not deliver it. Seems like gymnastics is really drowning on child abuse. So sad.
Vanessa was training under Steve and Beth Rybacki and Steve started weighing their athletes and that’s when she developed her eating disorder and her problems on the uneven bars got worse. When she fell on the Comaneci release again in 1999, Steve got mad and yelled at her…on National TV! After that, he didn’t talk to her for a while and she made the decision to leave their gym and go to WOGA. She didn’t want to disappoint anybody even though she really wanted to quit because it was no longer fun. At the Olympic trials where she was failing (to be fair, a lot of gymnasts were making mistakes and falling, even the ones who eventually made it to the team) and it was either Valeri or her agent that told her on night two before the competition that she wasn’t on the team because she was fat! Who does that?! She was already battling an eating disorder! After that, she said she was depressed for about two years. It was very sad. All the adults who were supposed to help her failed her tremendously!
@@reneeangely8446 I'm not saying he WAS a good coach with her, because keeping the patterson dimsount which destroyed her knees was definitely not a good idea and there are more examples. But I just want to say that Rebecca herself said in the past and recently too that Valeri was always very kind to her, made her a better person and he was a big inspiration to her. At least that's how she felt
She treats her gymnasts how her coach Bella treated her 💯
The cycle of abuse continues... if only there were a way to break it. 🙄
I think the injury problem can be linked to their massive elite program. TD always has so many elites and it’s almost like they handle them all the same. Elite gymnastics needs to be extremely personalized in order for the gymnast to gain their full potential. It also allows for gymnasts to gain unique skills that fit their style. Go watch Ragans 2016 floor compared to Baileys 2015 routine. There basically the same. They are treating elite gymnasts like it’s just another level. Could you imagine Nastia training under a system like that!!! She would’ve never made it in my opinion.
its ridiculous!! coaching thinking this "one style fits all" approach is perfectly okay are insane.
I think you're right. Look at Jade's development with her dad as her coach. Her strengths are emphasized and played up.
Zmeskal is likely transferring the harm and abuse she experienced at Karolyi’s to her athletes. A very common cycle for humans if we don’t go through our own healing/recovery process.
ABSOLUTELY!!!!
I’m so glad that Sydney left Texas Nightmares and went to Simones gym.
Funny enough, Sydney left for WCC. Thank gosh for her
I think this is my new favorite channel. Keep up the good work!
Thank you!
The apple doesn't always fall far from the tree. Bella shaped Kim as a competitor and as a coach.
I was a fan of Kim Zneskal’s as a gymnast, and my heart ached for her during the 1992 Olympics. She was the reigning world champion, but arrived in Barcelona too thin and over-trained.
I didn’t want to believe the initial rumors that her coaching was overly harsh. But there’s too much accumulated data now to dismiss it. Something must be done. I hope she and her husband can adapt, and quickly. I DO believe she has good things to offer the sport as a coach. The athletes’ physical and mental health must come first, though.
All the elite gyms needs a medical professional on staff to help with these injuries someone needs to be there to supervise these athletes
Do you think it’s financially feasible? Most gyms don’t have the money to bankroll medical professionals.
@@usagtea8072 if it isn’t, then the gym shouldn’t exist. At least SOME kind of medical professional must be present. Even football, where the athletes are literally treated like animals out for the slaughter, has someone around to ice and wrap and keep an eye on injuries.
I'm in Australia, but it seems to be the practice here that most gyms have a physio or osteo on site. We work super closely with these medical staff when writing programs and will refer athletes to them. Particularly when the girls hit puberty and are growing. It's definitely not perfect, but it works pretty well to maintain healthy gymnasts.
@@daniellequinlan1802 Wow, I didn’t know this. This is wonderful. I wonder how this can be adopted in the USA. The national team only has a doctor on site currently.
@@daniellequinlan1802 much better than nothing!!!💜💜💜3 Purple Hearts for Australian gymnastics! They did one thing right and also produced Dasha Joura. Well, tif, Dasha produced her own darmned self! *salutes in Dasha*
Emma Malabuyo is doing much better now and is now a backup for the Olympic team
Add KJ Johnson. She is having a great time and doing really well at LSU, but Jay Clark has said that “she is in constant pain” from the titanium rods in her tibias. She also had to spend the Tokyo year sidelined bc of the surgery.
Sounds like Kim coaches like Bela and Marta
Bailey Key is a situation that is really sad.
I am deeply shocked by the fact Kim would be accountable for something like this. I never liked Chris Burdette, i think he's an asshole. This puts his marriage with Kim in a whole new perspective. What a bummer. I knew Maggie Haney was a psychopathic monster, but Kim...? God almighty....👎
I can’t believe Emma was able to recover at the last second to make the team.
Kim learned how to coach from her own coaches. USG built their past empire on the methodology of Bela and Marta, as did Texas Dreams. Don't get me wrong, I love Kim, but the rate of injury from the gym is shocking!
My opinion, coaches should have more training. Physical therapists do & so should they. Or at least have a physical therapist on site & to guide the coaches correctly on possible injuries or actual injuries. Someone needs to be held accountable & not the child(ren) that don't know any better.
I definitely agree with this. Coaches need to have some sort of physical education training AND USAG should have injury rules. That way, everyone knows what is allowed and what isn’t.
Parents should also have to read USAG policies and rules so they are not in the dark, and cannot claim to be.
I absolutely agree! My goal is to get my degree in physio/kenesiology and then use those tools to coach. I was a gymnast and its absolutely terrible to see coaches who "know" gymnastics but know absolutely nothing about the functionality of the human body. Not all injuries can be avoided, but there is so much preventative care that can be implemented into training.
In Canada, coaching training is more strict. You must go through each level and be tested. All levels have 3 components: theory, technical, practical. All 3 components are tested.
When coaches ignore paine they should face legal penalty undoubtably. NFL football players get fined for swearing but these gymnastics coaches of little kids get nothing? It is a constant problem in many many organizations and I am tired of it and the enablement of abuse and neglect of children by our government.
Also why are injuries not reported? I mean the serious ones, not just a pulled muscle but broken bones, concussions, torn ligiments etc...
I'm sad that Kim Zmeskal emulated Bela and Marta's style. These allegations have gone on for years. Why didn't USAG advise her to back off all those years ago?
Because medals matter more to them. Sadly.
I loved Kim and I believe she had good intentions but wants to sit in absolute denial due to integirty she gained through the Karolyies. Just like Kerri Strug does. Many people in this world think verbal abuse is imay as long as its nit physical when in fact verbal abuse is just as bad if not worse.
Mary Lou Retton is another enabler of abuse and bad coaching. She is a apologist for USAG, and all the abusr and to my mind a total disgrace to both the sport and to the gymnasts themselves.
Anyone else remember when Ragan Smith used to end her floor routine by rolling her head backward and then resting it while it just strained her neck in that back position?
I had a doctor tell me that was about the worst thing a person could do to their neck to destroy the vertebrae there.
So happy Syndey has switched to WCC now. I was so worried for her future
Anna li video would be interesting
Yes it will be! She’s escaped relatively unscathed compared to Maggie.
I think people gave her leeway for being a Nassar victim. It will be interesting to discuss.
@@usagtea8072 you are probably right on the money there. Most of these coaches are victims who continue the cycle instead of stopping it.
Honestly, I’m amazed Texas Dreams are having these complaints. I figured WOGA would be the gym known for injuries. Anyone know what happened to Nica Hults? I thought she would be competing for UCLA, but completely dropped off the map.
Same story, different gymnast. Nica didn't compete at all in 2015, dropped to level 10 in 2016. We can assume UCLA rescinded its offer.
I'm not sure if she's at a local college or chose not to go to college, but she is now a coach at Texas Best Gymnastics.
I hope Kim and her husband have a really good professional liability policy and a great umbrella policy for all of this that's been going on! At some point someone is going to file an insurance claim or 2 or 3 against them.
I don’t really now what the right actions are except for someone secretly taping their actions and recordings are taking them to the police directly because USAG, the USOC and SafeSport are obviously useless.
Can you do WOGA and Valeri Liukin? Also can you do Coach Mary from First Class in Maryland?
If you recall all Bella girls where dealing with alot of injuries during major events like the Olympic. Kim could have done more if it wasn't for her injuries so she should know better . The years before 92 she was constantly dealingbwuty wrist problems (tendeonist) which can be caused or increased with over training
It is important that gymnastics survive all the miscreants. There are many great coaches. More education and personal growth and awareness is desperately needed in coaches. But wil it happen?
Literally the same at nearly every high level girls team. Over use injuries, using weights improperly, ignoring doctors or telling doctors what the injury actually is, etc... you could literally insert the name of most women's elite training centers in this video.
I totally agree she knows better. She was coached by the Karoly's. She knew all their bad habits so I thought she'd be better than that. You don't need to abuse a gymnast to make them an Olympian. Look at Chelsea Memmell and her dad. He coached her at her first stage and now he's coaching he adult come back. I fon't think Mihai the coach og Aly Raisman or Alicia Sacrimone coached this way either. China took back Chow and hd's now the head coach of their program.
this is no mg elite or azarian type situation... i can totally see a bunch of these allegations being taken out of context.... like when kennedy talks about tumbling on injured heels you have to remember thats really common. the racism is a completely different situation
I agree, as I stated, I don't think this calls for banning or suspension. The other allegations certainly do. There is clearly a problem with overtraining within the club, but I think USAG is responsible to step in and assist clubs with this problem.
I have to add the Kennedy Baker situation was a little worse than I stated. This is the situation where Kim made her crawl to get ice out of (what she implied to be) annoyance, didn't check on her injury and she was in a cast the next day. Perhaps I should've added her entire statement for context.
Why do some people think she is just “incompetent” and shouldn’t be banned but Al Fong should?
Julissa Gomez was also a case of incompetence.
@@talktalk9119 This is a very good and interesting point.
@@talktalk9119 exactly. making Kennedy climb up the stairs after rupturing her achilles is not only completely apathetic but also demeaning. Plus racist abuse IS psychological abuse and should be just as punishable, saying anything otherwise would be privilege showing.
@@Jess-oc5cj Racist abuse is absolutely emotional and psychological abuse. Not only should Chris be banned for this, but Kim Zmeskal cutting Kennedy’s hair is racist VIOLENCE. That constitutes far more than banning.
I was talking more so on injury incompetence. I don’t think injury incompetence necessarily calls for banning or suspension. It depends on intentionality, educational requirements, etc.
I don’t think the organization does enough to help coaches and gyms understand injuries, the right approach, there aren’t any rules within USAG for this, etc. Many coaches have absolutely no idea what they are doing, annoyed their gymnast is “complaining” on a broken bone. 😟
The amount of injury negligence is an organization-wide problem, in my opinion.
I like Texas Dreams and I think it's disrespectful to post this. This sounds like some angry parents talking, what does it take to do your job? Kim cares a lot about her athletes. I've seen her run across the floor on the sight of someone falling to be with them. When my daughter got hurt she never had a problem with them forcing her to do anything. I hate posts like this. Some angry parents kid got hurt and now she wants to blast the gym. There are still lots of high level athletes there with the option to leave if they want, it's not legally required for them to stay there, but they are. Did you list all the athletes that didn't get hurt? Did the athletes that got hurt stay there or leave right away because they were not happy. I believe they stayed. Yeah ...
Oh man I’m afraid to listen to this ouch
If Kim knew better she’d do better 🤦🏻♂️
She knew better, she'd been coaching for years. She refused to do better because your OP is an example of the kinds of excuse(s) that she'd be given for not doing so and she knew it.
P.S. not attacking you, just pointing out a fact.
i love kyla ross´coaches aww
But she was a Nassar victim. Her coaches bare no responsibility for that?
@@fiedledey437 i know and that sucks but everyone who was at the ranch is a victim.
@@fiedledey437 sometimes they didnt know as they were not in the room. Even Maggie's coach didnt know until she overheard a competition.
@@fiedledey437 how do they coaches bare responsibility for that? Larry Nassar was an abusive narcissist who was very good at manipulating people. I’m sure there are coaches out there who truly didn’t see the signs of his abuse.
There has also been allegations of abuses at their gym.
All of these young women have/had choices including leaving the gym and finding coaches elsewhere. Why didn’t they simply do that?
For the same reason why some women stay with their abusers for years although they are being hurt practically every day?
Some parents have gold fever too.....a coach tells them that their daughter has the potential for an Olympic effort and that parent will do anything to get that chance for a medal, including becoming Co abusers with the coach.....
Spoken like someone who doesn't remotely understand how training works... Nor do you grasp the complexities of abuse.
So sad to hear I loved watching Kim compete she did train under bela karoyli so she probably feels if she could train and compete in pain which I’m sure she did still that’s sad
Don’t you think there are nowadays too much artistic gymnasts in the USA spending their lives in a gym, and not enough girls working at school?
I definitely see your point. Most gyms require homeschooling for their top programs. The homeschooling education some of these gym girls are getting...remember Laurie only being able to describe Julius Caesar as a cool dude?
I definitely cringed lol. On the other token, gymnastics gives many of these girls athletic scholarships! So that’s good.
Thank you for your answer! That gives girls like Whitney Bjerken who already at 18 regrets to be only good at being gymnasts.
Thanks for posting this! I have ALWAYS thought Kim Z was a closeted mean girl. Does she have ANY professional training? How does one become a gymnastic coach?
I gave the exact play by play on how to become a USAG coach. I wasn’t kidding. 😅
You can be certified by the end of this week.
Certified developmental calls for one extra course in Missouri, right after Congress usually (if I recall correctly). And you don’t even need it to be a “Professional” coach!
@@usagtea8072 - oh wow!! I thought you were joking. That’s a little frightening.
@@usagtea8072 have you seen the hour long interview with Laurent Landi? He mentions that in France, he had to go through 3 years of schooling to become a coach. They should do that here in the US.
@@angela.m - can you post a link?
@@JustMe-px9qy ruclips.net/video/smIZ7lmro7g/видео.html
Sad to see this.... sounds like she took after BK...
I think Ragan was chosen as an alternate in 2016 because she was Kim’s pupil and the same thing with Emma this year.
Ragan earned her spot.
What is the deal with Anna Li? Many people suggest a video about her, what happened?
She and her mother have been accused of abuse. No one has really talked about it since it was reported last year.
@@usagtea8072 omg I never heard about that. Isn't Anna the coach of her sister Andrea?
@@anikokoren3417 Yep, she’s one of them. Her parents being the others.
PARENTS QUIT BEING STUPID AND SENDING YOUR KIDS THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They might have considered putting Regan Smith on the Olympic team this year but she keeps injuring herself.
can you do an azarian video or an anna lee video
Noted! ❤️
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE
i go to texas dreams gymnastics and this is fake.
Why didn't the girls parents take them out of the gym? Lesson to be learned is create balance in your childs training. Have the guts to say enough.
She legally is liable especially since her an her husband own the gym. They need to have a class action suit in civil court. USGA is also responsible. Start legally
Do you have a Twitter because I like your style and want to keep up with the ☕️
I don’t but I’m back! Hoping to get a video up next week if there’s any content. ❤️
These coches forget that they are employees only they get pay to get it wrong their pride makes them not to come to their senses they are like contrarians that never are going to admit that they are wrong parents should monitor their children constantly
Could you make a video about WCC, and wether it really is a good gym or not? There seems to be a lot of good rep coming from it, but i have seen certain ex gymnasts talking very negatively about the coaching as well. Chandler King for example.
She’s not even elite I don’t think. But what did she say?
@@d00f60 She posted a Tiktok saying one of the coaches abuse her mentally and that's why she quit gymnastics. One of her ex-teamates (i think she was?) agree with her in the comments, even some other gymnasts that went to WCC Camps.
Did you see Ragan Smith’s Instagram post about these allegations...... smh
Unfortunately, yes.
What did she say?
@@honeyfromthebee She said that everything that Kim and Chris did were out of love and respect and then invalidated what her teammates said. Like “Yeah my teammates got their hair cut off but it was out of love and respect!✨🦋💗😍
@@aidan_mckinney5853 Yikes! Thanks for the reply.
@@honeyfromthebee instagram.com/p/CD1rrhSjJrC/?igshid=1d7jto7rvvbhg here’s the link
This is such a crock of bull. Injuries in gymnastics happen. I broke my leg, tore my stomach muscle in half. Three times torn rotator cuff. That was my body. All this whining is going to take team USA right where the Romanian team went. To last. And it’s thanks to the karyolis that the USA team finally got out of 4th at best but go on and keep complaining and thinking that you can put in the minimum work and still stay on top. Good luck with that
OMG what?! Injuries in gymnastics??? I’m shocked.
Are you as a supposed know it all commentator not using Kim’s face to get likes, her name to get likes, her background of being at the highest level in Gymnastics World wide for many years to get likes. You are using her yourself just as you are portraying Elite coaches using their gymnasts up. Your commentating in this video is very abusive. Defamation of Character at the very least. Perhaps she should look into suing you. Can you trust the allegations of the girls as the gospel truth. If the girls are so smart as to know what injury abuse looks like, why were they not smart enough or their parents to simply move to the Competitive neighboring gym right down the road. You can say well they were only young girls, well young girls make many mistakes and decisions they have to live with later in all walks of life. It’s a fact of life we all are one step forward and 2 steps back. We would all give up if it wasn’t for sheer drive and determination to push through it all. True the coaching test have been around since the Stone Age. Most coaches know a 100 times what the test covers. For your info the test is for young brand new coaches. It’s very basic just like a basic gym class is. The test covers the basics and that’s it. Many coaches choose to stay at that level forever. A few choose to dive deep and they and their students have test after test called competitions and judges score them. If you aren’t coaching well it shows in the scores. If you as a gymnast are not scoring well then maybe it’s not your sport. Elite Coaches and gymnasts are constantly learning something new ever single morning and evening practice. The dedication is ginormous. Conditioning as you say injures gymnasts, I gotta laugh at that backwards hillbilly statement. It is conditioning that keeps Gymnast’s healthy 🤣 It keeps Gymnast’s from getting injured😂 I think your brain might just be injured😂 Kim is doing just fine because she is driven just as she was as a gymnast. Sure she and all Elite coaches make PLENTY of mistakes and are sorry for them and they learn from the mistakes as well. Elite coaches can’t be responsible for all the issues that go wrong for the many gymnasts that walk through their doors. All they can do is offer to the gymnast what they are capable of at this time in their life and that’s it. When the gymnasts and their parents don’t like it they can make an educated choice to move along to the next high level gym and there are several in every State. All high level coaches make mistakes, all gymnasts and their parents make mistakes, nobody’s perfect EVER! You too have made plenty of mistakes throughout this video. Plenty of people will think you are telling the gospel truth and you aren’t. One big plus USAG has done is put a stop 🛑 to sexual abuse which also happens in all sports, at schools, churches and anywhere where teens are present. It’s working in its infancy. One of my complaints is the time it takes to investigate can be as long as 3 years. Now that’s a huge mistake isn’t it. I’m sure this long time frame will be cut down as adjustments are made. So yes our sport has plenty of problems just as any sport and we are working on them always improving.
Last, without Bela and Martha Karolyi, USA gymnastics would be hardly recognizable at the Olympic. We would be a Country not even talked about. No one would come and watch our high level girls much at all. TV networks would hardly be interested in us. Our top gymnasts would not be recognized World wide. Our top gymnasts would not get endorsements, or commercial ads. Our gym facilities would be smaller and our classes smaller. Gym owners would not make the money they do today in the USA. You can give all that “what we have” to
B E L A AND M A R T H A KAROLYI!!!!!!! We have wonderful Russian coaches now and they would have moved to other Countries, thanks to Bela and Martha they came here. They too realized Bela and Martha had created a Gold Rush in gymnastics in the USA. So we would be a shadow of a sport without THE KAROLYI’s. Our College Programs are Dynamite and on fire right now all thanks to the Karolyi’s lighting a FIRE 🔥 FOR USA GYMNASTICS long ago. Today we REEP ALL THOSE BENEFITS THANKS TO KIM ZMESCAL’s, Coach Keri Strug’s coach, Betty OKINO’s coach, Nadia Comaneci’s coach, Phoebe Miles coach, Mary Lou Retton’s coach, and Dominique Moceanu’s Coach, Kristi Phillips and Shelly Stack and many, many more I’ve forgotten and you apparently know absolutely nothing about that. The Karolyi’s taught our first set of Olympic Coaches how to navigate at their first Olympics without losing valuable points and costing our USA team awards and recognition. Bela himself making the first mistake with Nadia. He forgot to pull the board and their Team lost .3 tenths at his first Olympics, imagine how bad he must have felt and the girls and parents. Coaches make mistakes but they learn from them all just like their gymnasts. I’m truly sorry for these X Texas Dream gymnasts but Kim took them a very long way in the sport when she too was a very young Elite Coach. She and they were all doing the best they could, it just wasn’t good enough, so be it, that’s life. LIVE AND LEARN!
Parent should not train therechildren after long time train they will complain.
I think this
I think it is somewhat of a learned approach from what I heard Karoy
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Jesus Christ this weak gymnastics mind set is the fodder that caused Simone to quit has destroyed gymnastics. Karolyis created champions and Olympic medalists. They made the team mentally tough. Kim Z knows what it takes to create champions.
Let’s all forget about gymnastics, and USAG can just have the kids play on the apparatuses and have pizza parties. These are the problem with gymnastics today. With this new approach how did the American gymnastic team perform In Tokyo? Perhaps the worst performance since 1992. It’s a joke
Blah blah blah blah. EVERY ONE is a victim today! It is always someone else's fault. And many minorities are becoming the MOST fragile of all where you literally can not say ANYTHING around them at all or they think it is all racist! I am a GAY male who has followed gymnastics forever. I love when my friends tell me gay jokes. I am not offended by it. The world has gone mad. And gymnastics has already suffered and will only get worse after this. The sport is barely watchable as it is. No artistry and so many large and bulky girls. Sorry NOT sorry. Are we gonna have fat ballet dancers now too soon?! Not all these girls have to go on a strict diet or complain after their career is over about everything and everyone. Boohoo. Even the 10 year old girl IN the video SAYS the word sarcasm and knows the difference what Chris was saying! The sport has gone downhill and now every girl in every country is going nuts now and causing drama. So expect the sport to get and look worse than it already does. Not everyone can make the olympics or Worlds. Only a few spots. So if you do not wanna watch your figure or if you are naturally fat then go EAT and stop whinning and let the OTHERS on the team! No one has to DO Anything if they do not want to! Switch gyms then if you think it is the coach fault! Or quit! Or go eat if you wanna eat and not train and get fat! No one is forcing you to do anything! People reach the top level of sport and push them selves to get there to BE the BEST! If you do not want to then that is fine! Just get out of the way! If these coaches are all so so bad then why are half the girls not complaining?! They make Bela and Marta out to be MONSTERS now but you do not hear from ALL Karolyi girls that it was THAT bad. I am not saying some changes do not need to be made but my god this just goes on and on and on where we are reaching a point where EVERY coach now is under a microscope and everyone is being looked at like in this video to be fired or accusations. All these girls are coming out of the woodwork for 5 years now and it is never ending. The sport is already almost unwatchable in the last 5 years anyway. Gymnastics was so so much better before. And many of the top girls you do not hear complaining from. Mary Lou. Shannon MIller. Kim Zmeskal. Nastia. etc... Why are these people then not going after ALL the coaches in China? In Russia? etc?! Let us just IMPLODE the sport more than it already is. And let us also have 150lb girls to watch by the next olympics with no floor music like the men cuz why bother?! Just a bunch of victim mentality in the world now not just in sports. Everything is someone else's fault. As if people are ALWAYS perfect. And as if these so called victims are also perfect in THEIR own lives?! Uh huh. Right. I am sure they have never had a bad thought about someone or swore at someone or anything.... The final nail in the coffin of this once beautiful sport has happened.... Now it is just over kill.... Have fun with it... I'm out.
Stop fat shaming these athletes- you’re clearly obsessed with weight, which isn’t the point of this video, but you’re also very insulting about it. The allegations of overtraining and racism are alarming, and after the YEARS of coaches and others ignoring the Nassar abuse, these need to be properly investigated as well.
@@pattoo2945 No, MAKE me?!!!! And I am not fat shaming them! Your talking about an elite sport! Not everyone gets a trophy sweety! Anyone even overweight can do gymnastics but again there is a reason why top level athletes are at the top. I am not obsessed with weight as YOU and all these others seem to be obsessed with victimhood and are offended over ANYthing anymore. Go stand outside and picket out front the ballet theatre for the right to see and watch 300 pound dancers instead of writing me as I am not falling for your guilt. Wasting your time. Gymnasts should be fit and be able to dance and do the skills and look the part. Otherwise you get what you get which is what we are seeing now and have been for awhile. Sloppy gymnastics, no real dance abilities, no real flexibility, bad form. It is everywhere. Have fun watchin it! We all know what looks good and what does not. Have fun at McDonalds. Maybe the next olympics can be held there in the play area and the gymnasts can all get supersized meals after the competion to match their figures these days. LOL! Thanks for being a fan and writing me. You are NEVER gonna change my mind. Buh BYE! :) XOXO
@@JB-sg1vy What a troll you are. You do realize that these girls are being fat shamed when they’re in perfect shape right? that’s more the point - this isn’t about overweight people trying to be a Elite gymnasts. Also how do you seem to be completely glossing over the racism as well as the bullying That was clearly directed at some of these young girls? a good coach doesn’t need to shame or yell at an athlete in order to get a good performance out of them. It seems like you really need to think about other peoples experiences and how that could affect them instead of just going on some rant like you have here.And honestly, I don’t really care if I change your mind or not - I don’t know you And I really wouldn’t want to
Shut up. These are 12-16y/o KIDS.
Body shaming, and kids at that??
Pls find the nearest hell ew.
Holy verbal diarrhea 😂 blah blah blah was the perfect segue in to and description for this comment.