Nikon: The good and the bad
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- In our continuing series looking at the strengths and weaknesses of the major camera brands we now turn our attention to Nikon. The venerable camera maker has had an impressive year, but how does their entire product lineup stand up? Jordan and Chris bicker about it.
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0:00 - Intro
0:59 - Autofocus
2:33 - Camera lineup
4:50 - Lenses
7:23 - Video
10:11 - Conclusion
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So optimistic that I preordered the Z9 (still waiting) on announcement day and since then have bought the holy trinity 2.8s,105macro and 50 1.2. This coming from a Canon (since 1983) and Panasonic MFT fanboy. My first Nikon ever!
Edited add on! I have now had my Z9 about a month now and it was definitely worth the wait and is far better than I dreamed of. It has a steep menu learning curve coming from Canon but I constantly discovering small workflow features that just make it a dream camera for me beyond the headline features. The lenses are not only optically fantastic but the minimal focus breathing, super fast and quiet motors coupled with the just recently added linear manual focussing firmware updates, plus being able to reverse the focus direction for us Canon users with added choice of focus throw angles just make this combination the icing on the cake for my needs! Even my old Canon EF 300 2.8L (adapted with the Fringer EF-NZ) works fantastically with 3D tracking and eye detection, in fact, it has never had to work so hard or fast, I am a little worried it will not be able to maintain this extra workload for too much longer!😂😎👍🏾
I have that glass except for the 14-24. Great all of them and significant improvements over the old F-mounts that were struggling a bit on the z7ii.
Love the trinity (don’t know about holy), 14-24, 24-70, 70-200.
That is quite a leap of faith you took there!
Doesn’t Canon have anything to compete with that?
(I’ve been a Nikon DSLR shooter all the way, but for mirrorless I’ve added Sony to my bag)
What makes the Z9 and those lenses more compelling than the Canon alternatives?
@@timothylinn The Z9 is the best full frame mirrorless there is.
I was optimistic about Nikon's Z line right from the start. As an enthusiast, the initial offerings like the super tiny 14-30mm/4, or the zeiss-otus-sharp 50mm/1.8 were exactly what I wanted in my bag.
Nikon played it boring and predictable, focusing on the essentials that nearly everybody needs in their kit first: 35mm, 50mm, 85mm, then holy trinity of zooms, then they branch out into specialty lenses like pancake and macro and supertele from there.
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Bought the Z system mostly because of the f1.8 primes - pro level optics (unlike other brands f1.8 lenses) that were designed for hybrid use from the start. Great AF for video, no focus breathing, the best weather sealing I’ve ever seen and great build quality. Best lens line up of any brand imho.
Also the Z6 that I bought in 2018 isn’t the same Z6 today. The firmware has improved autofocus and usability a lot.
Optimist! I've been using also a7III, R5, R6 but durñe to my extreme all terrain conditions where I use my equipment ended up with Z as the most stable system of all. With heavy dust environment, low light situations, excelente low light video af even at high ISO, heavy rain resistance, NO overheating as hybrid usage with no failures, HQ glass with no CA, balanced weight avoiding more hand injuries compared to non balanced RF lenses. Is the least FF expensive system with top Image quality. Impressive better rendition even with Z28mm and Z40mm than Sony and RF pancakes at half the price. And don't forget that for those who don't live in US, we are charged with Vat of up to 60% additionally making some models extremely unaffordable.
Ladies and gentlemen, if you think what you’ve just witnessed was something “anyone could do,” you are certifiably insane. Unbelievably good!
Thanks! Whew, I can sleep better now knowing I have a modest investment in some new Nikon Z stuff like the Z7ii, 24-120mm f4S, 70-200 f2.8S and the 20 1.8 for astro and ultra wide landscape. No Z9 in my future but I look forward to the trickle down to future Z bodies. However, I really like the Z7ii a lot and I think the firmware to update AF keeps improving it and I think there will be more to come. Have been a Nikon owner since '79 and I for one am excited about Nikon's future.
EXACTLY!!! We need the YTers to realize that not every photographer needs the newest feature every six months. For those who do, even Sony isn't fast enough, only the iPhone satisfies them, except when they see a Samsung Galaxy beat it in a video, then they're LIVID! :-D
I brought a Nikon z50 when I saw the Z9, it made me believe in Nikon again and willing to invest in the Z series and as soon as the tech in Z9 filters down to the lower tier cameras I will buy them
Just love to hear you guys talking in pros and cons about Nikon machine.
I’ve never bought a 1.4. I am a huge F1.8 prime fan. The Z F1.8s are great lenses with performance which outclasses the F mount F1.4s of the same focal length. I wonder what the ratio of F1.4 sales to F1.4 sales really is. It makes sense to fill out the other gaps in the Z lens line up first. The 20mm 1.8 is proving to be a very popular Astro photography lens at a good price. Updating the firmware on the Z6ii and 7ii is however well overdue. 3D tracking is needed.
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... and also the possibilities for "AF-C In-Focus Display" like on the Z9 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
9:05 You forgot one - the noct allows for perfect linear focus pulls. The focus action is so repeatable that it even has distance markings pre-applied!
Just bought stock in Nikon. In addition to new surge in photography offerings, they are looking to expand into other areas of technology to diversify and stabilize their business model. They're essentially reinventing themselves and making all the right moves.
How much money can you afford on your investment?
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thanks guys!
As a Nikon, Fuji & Sony user that still prefers his old Nikon DSLR..for almost everything photo wise.. i am really routing for Nikon and that D700 & D300 approach Jordan talks about .
I hope i can sell mu A7 III without any regrets..as soon as Nikon comes up with a 3rd gen Z6 .
cheers from Portugal
Fully agree Nikon needs to “Give some love to Z6ii and Z7ii” rather than flow down some of the great features of the Z9 onto new bodies, look after your existing users. Not expecting Z9 performance but let’s push the ii cameras to their max
How do you know that the Z7II / Z6II are not pushed close to the max already?
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@@UnconventionalReasoning Seeing their performance is, I believe little better than the original Z cameras and they benefit from dual processors I’d have thought and been advised there is scope for improvements.
I’d like to think so as I know of two excellent photographers who have left Nikon.
Add the possibilities for "AF-C In-Focus Display" like on the Z9 to the Z6/Z6ii/Z7/Z7ii !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They can have 3D tracking in all those other models including the 1st gen z6/7. It works in the D850 etc which uses a single xspeed6, so there is no excuse as to why it can't be in all the mirrorless lineup.
The D850 has a separate Multi-CAM 20K AF module that got some light off the mirror, that module does not exist in any mirrorless camera, which is why 3D tracking had to wait until the processor had enough power to do it.
Yes until you use R5 next to z7ii then you will know why a lot of nikon shooters are dumping nikon.
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@@nigerian-nightmare that doesn't really hold though if you've used a z9 which will represent _potential_ for firmware capability upgrades for the older cameras but certainly the next generation. I had the chance of using production versions of both of the R5 and the z9 on a recent trip with my camera club. The z9 wins hands down, and even if there are aspects where the R5 has a slight edge, the Nikon cameras produce a much cleaner image with higher recoverable shadow detail. My friend Wayne who brought his R5 on that trip is seriously considering a switch to the Z9.
The R5 is well beyond my old 5D Mark III in terms of shadow recovery but still not matching what both Sony and Nikon are doing. To be clear, I shot Canon for 20 years before switching to the d750 in late 2016.
@@ElGrecoDaGeek Of course, I will take Z9 over R5 in a heartbeat. A used R5 can be had for 3K while Z9 is $5500 and out of stock. No affordable good af as in R5 from Nikon. Not sure why it is taking Nikon too long to come out with something to compete with Canon R5 and Sony A7siii. They have lost a lot of shooters to Sony and Canon. That's my point. I'm selling many of my Nikon gears for Canon, and they are not even selling as fast as I wish.
I am fully into Sony system now, but I am so happy that Nikon was able to pull it off and gave us a Z9 to shut a lot of youtubers (certan couples and gym fanatics, anyone?), so Nikon will always be an option for my work, if Sony ever fails me... which is not the case so far!
As soon as the Z 24-70mm f/2.8 lens became available I switched from my Nikon DSLR to a first generation Z6. I was able to make this camera work for my concert photography (including a first generation Nikon AF-S 70-200mm f/2.8 with FTZ adapter). I found the delay of the release of the Z 70-200mm f/2.8 very frustrating, but swapped my F-mount for the Z-mount version as soon as it became available.
I purchased my Z9 a few months ago (without pre-ordering one, just contacted a local dealer to inform me when and if one became available) and I love it to death. With just the Z9 (the Z6 is my backup camera) and my two Z mount lenses I'm very happy shooting shows and getting great results. There are several Z mount lenses on my bucket list (the Z 14-24mm f/2.8 to complete the holy trinity and the Z 100-400 for sound board shoots) and I would certainly buy them if I had the money for them.
Don't understand the complaints a lot of influencers on RUclips have regarding the Z9. It's a great overall camera and much cheaper than the Canon and Sony offerings that they are comparing it to.
HILARIOUS! And you didn’t break into a smile (much). VERY optimistic. GO NIKON!!
I've always been optimistic about Nikon because I've used the brand my whole life. I would really like to get my hands on some of their new released lenses, and maybe even a Z9, but I just have to be patient for a while longer as there are none in shops yet.
Love these videos and Chris's Oliver twist was the cherry on the cake!
Thank you for this video. I’m a long time Nikon shooter and I recently picked up a Z6 & Z7 and I think Nikon has put a lot of effort into designing the Z-mount. The native glass, even the f1.8 lenses, are incredibly good and I actually prefer those over any f1.4 lenses in my bag. I think Nikon will put their R&D into f1.2 lenses next and I love the fact that you can adapt so much of the F-mount lenses and even Sony e-mount lenses with the right adapter. I’m optimistic that Nikon will bring new possibilities to content creators in the future. They did this with the Nikon D90 as the first DSLR with video features (which was my first DSLR camera) and they will surely do it again. But again, thanks for giving Nikon some credit in such a competitive industry.
You guys are a blast to watch. Thanks so much. Hoping for a better auto focusing z6/7 or something not a nine. That’s a lot of overkill for me.
I love Nikon and will always stay with the brand, as these are just tools. My Nikon Z9 is awesome and I love the features and capabilities. Is it perfect “no” but I don’t think any camera is. I hope they fix the background focusing glitch that happens now and then, especially as a wildlife photographer it’s annoying and I’ve missed a few shots. Looking to the future, it’s certainly an exciting time whatever brand you lean towards
Been loving my Z5 from ever since I got it...with the FTZ I am using all my older DX lenses and I love this....
The chemistry between Chris & Jordan is so spicy!
Thanks for the video! Long time Nikon user here.
I love Nikon, grew up on the FM2, D3000 sieres and started my professional w9rk with the D750, but gotta admit there were a lot of compromises. Good that they're still in the talks now a days since I don't really hear much talk about their cameras.
I am waiting on a mirrorless version of the D500. I am dealing with chronic health problems and I need something lighter than the Z9. Very hopeful!
Hit the gym..😢too heavy
Canon R7. No?
I'm with you. They have to have something brewing now when they got a very qualified af system. The z50 is nice and all but it's not a replacement for the d500.
@@Artem-pe3sb it looks like a great camera but if you're invested you have to sell all the stuff.
Same, prefer it for wildlife.
I am an Nikon Shooter starting in fim days with FE and F3. Switched from D700 to Z5 and I am thrilled by the quality of the lenses. Incredible.
You're the prototypical Nikon photographer: keep a camera for a decade!
@@UnconventionalReasoning between the F3 and the D700 where several cams: F801, F100, D200, D300. But the D700 is an epic cam. I am waiting now for a small Z9.
@@berndmevers haha, yes, I was pretty sure there were more, since the F3 and D700 came out 28 years apart!
Can't wait for you to do a similar video about Fuji, especially after your X-H2s preview
I was an early adopter and have been using the Z6 professionally since firmware 1.0. And it kept getting better with each upgrade. People waiting for a 1.4 lens just have to accept that 1.2 is the new 1.4. The 1.8’s are so good that you have to go to 1.2 see any kind of difference. As an owner of a Z9 I can say it’s the best digital Nikon, relative to it’s time period, that I’ve ever used. It’s value is incredible for the 2 cameras it can replace in order to get the photo and video quality and features that it gives you.
The 1.8 primes from Nikon are absolutely incredible. Not only are they chart-topping in performance, but they are super light, SUPER affordable, ultra fast and smooth focusing for video, very quiet, and they even look great! You can buy a set of three of them for the same price as some of the more expensive 1.2 primes, especially since they go on sale so often. They are so good that I switched over to Nikon and had enough $$$ left over to splurge on the 70-200 S which is the best zoom lens I have ever seen on paper or in the real world. It has such high resolution that it crops in on the Z9 and produces images sharper than my 400mm lens on my last system which stunned me. I recently have purchased the 600mm f4G on Nikon and the 70-200S crops extremely favorably against that too which just blows my mind. Now I understand what "lens resolution" really is!
Very optimistic. I have been using Nikon since film days with the Nikkormat FT3. Have amassed a good number of lenses and so I'm quite tied to the Nikon system. Therefore very happy to see the Z9 and have ordered one to update my Z7. While there can be improvements to the Z7, I have managed to get shots I really enjoy with that camera. I have used it for portraits, kids, and birds in flight. Looking forward to even higher hit rates. Given that Nikon have in fact reduced the complexity of the hardware, I'm very optimistic that the great features of the Z9 will show up in new lower tier cameras. Also, I like their lens introduction sequence, aside from the unicorn 50 mm 0.95, the rest have been reasonably affordable useful lenses. I just love the 70-200 2.8 and the 24-70 2.8. Great versatile lenses.
EXACTLY!!! I think most Nikon photographers are happy with the progress of the lineup, and are more patient than RUclipsrs expect. The impatient photographers have mostly left the brand already.
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Very optimistic. I always had faith that Nikon would pull it off. They were slow to the start but it is obvious they were watching the competition. The z9 is an amazing camera and I am personally really happy with the glass they have released. I have the f/4(ish) trinity and for landscape its amazing light glass super sharp even wide open.. I think the 1.8s are great affordable glass. The 20/1.8 is stellar for astro but I will admit Id love to see a 14 or 20/1.2 or 1.4, maybe even a 24/1.2 but they are about to release an 85/1.2 which should be a beauty. But the z9 is at heart an action camera so I feel thats why Nikon is currently leaning on the other side of the range ... 100-400, 400/2.8, 800/6.3 .. coming 400/4.5?, 200-600, 600/4.Tons of stellar long glass options. I do hope we see the z9 tech filter down into other bodies and the z6/7ii are both still in firmware 1.xx so Im sure more is coming. ... im still hoping for a z8 to be the d500 replacement optional grip crop sensor 24mpx 30fps raw z9 focusing system. Make the z6 line video heavy and a low light monster (astro etc), the z7 line the d850 replacement and bump it to a 60mpx sensor(for the iii obviosuly not in firmware) and the z8 the d500 replacement, crop sensor probuild quality ultra high speed action camera (or even make the zfc the d500 replacemnt and the z8 medium format)
I am optimistic. My Z9 is a very special camera. It has a definite personality as well. However I do like the Z6ii as my 2nd camera as well. It works well. I would love some extra features from the Z9 playbook (3D). If they do bring out a D500 replacement in mirrorless form, (Z500?) the sales rush that we saw for the Z9 will probably be repeated, and that is surely solid ground for optimism.
I expect the D500 replacement will be a Z80 or Z90.
Very positive about Nikon-not just their future but their present as well. I owned the Canon R5 for nearly two years and while I generally loved the camera’s capabilities, there were some handling, ergonomic and image quality issues that ultimately sent it packing. Nikon’s Z 7II may not be perfect but for the way I work and the subject matter, its autofocus is no less effective, its handling is superior and the image quality is flat out better, without the R5’s nasty magenta shift in recovered shadows. And then there are the lenses, where Nikon’s Z 24-120 S/4 trounces Canon’s RF 24-105/4L in every aspect, and Nikon’s Z 50/1.8 is a better portable standard lens than Canon’s dinky RF 50/1.8. I think Nikon final has a clue where they’re headed and are doing an admirable job executing.
Still loving the results I get from my D850 and F-mount glass.
Definitely very optimistic for the next line of cameras from Nikon. Especially the Z7iii/Z8. It would be nice if they made best astro lens on the market. For example an 20mm 1.2 or 1.0 maybe manual focus and no VR to keep it smaller, lighter and cheaper.
They are coming. They just opened up to 3rd party lens providers.
what, u find the Z 20mm f1.8 inadequate for astro? Wow.
@@warn0245 no not inadequate at all, but there is also nothing special about it compared to other brands maybe except for sharpness. It would just be nice if they did the something extra special. And bigger aperture can gather light quicker or cleaner.
And with 3D tracking !
They are never making a 20mm 1.2 or 1.0.
You are great comedians too!! Always a pleasure to watch your videos..
I have the 800mm 6.3 and it focuses really fast on the z9. I am not sure why dpreview copy focuses slow but testing the af speed at aperture f20 and shutter speed of 1/1250 bumping iso to 9000 wouldn’t be the best way to test it.
Haha just noticed they were at f20. Thanks for pointing that out.
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As for Chris's comment on 3D AF in the Z6/Z7 I wonder if part of it is hardware limitation. Maybe Nikon hasn't found a good way to implement 3D AF on non-stacked sensors. In the DSLR days it used a separate AF module (and presumably processing of some sort) so the task was sort of split up versus being on-sensor. The other reason I think is that they omitted cross-hair type AF points, which I've been told is one of the keys to the DSLRs faster AF, and something the Z's lack (except the Z9 maybe). But I'm thinking there is more to it than just "double the processing power". The processors may be able to handle it but if the on-sensor AF implementation itself (aside from processing power) can't handle it, then that's where the problem probably is and would limit Nikon on how they could improve it.
The OG Z6/Z7 got firmware updates into November 2021 with 3.40, the Z6ii/Z7ii are still on 1.40, so I expect many more firmware updates, and hope we get more information on their faster 85mm on their roadmap, and hopefully a faster 35mm too, overall, i'm hopeful, but we need to see announcements on firmware, cameras, and new lenses.
Z6/7 were first gen products, so many updates should be expected. I am doubtful my Z7ii will receive any significant improvements... that being said, I have absolutely no issues with the camera and will likely not upgrade right away.
I heard a Nikon engineer admit the Z6 II has about 10% the processing power of the Z9. So basically its an off the shelf Sony sensor with an ill suited SLR processor taped on the back and rushed out to fill a hole they left in the market. IMO its not going to get any better its sadly abandoned by Nikon now the Z9 is out and works. I find the AF poor at best on my Z6 II and people AF and animal AF isnt even as good as my ageing A7 III. I have to use single point for most things and even then it can lose focus on stationary subject.
"But we need to see announcements on firmware, cameras, and new lenses." is what Sony photographers say. "I've been using Nikons for one / two / three decades, they just keep working" is what Nikon photographers say.
@@LaveaFirmis why did the Nikon engineer have to "admit" that the newest processor has 10 times the power of the older setup? That's an accomplishment, not something to be embarrassed about. And the EXPEED6 was a new processor for the Z6/Z7, which the D6 later used. The A7III was released earlier the same year as the Z6, so they're going to be comparable in overall processing power (with the Z6II almost doubling it), but Sony had been working on their mirrorless AF since 2013.
@@UnconventionalReasoning I'm not knocking the Z9 at all. The reason I say admit is because people keep saying Nikon are going to bring out firmware and add 3d tracking, better animal/people detection and improve the AF (which IMO it needs). But the engineer was basically saying due to the mark II only having 10% of the processing power of the Z9 its not going to happen, thats it. It won't really get any better than it is now. Sadly
The Z6 II came out 2 years after the A7 III so should have been at least as good if not better (and shouldn't have been released till it was). I own both and compared to the A7 III the Z6 II with V1 firmware was in IMO basically unusable in a lot of situations, way too slow and inaccurate (though brilliant image quality if you got the shot). With the current SW on the A7 III and Z6 II its still miles off the A7 in nearly every situation for me.
I have to say I never owned an original Z6 but from what I understand it was an rush unfinished prototype that shouldn't have been released.
I find for gigs the Z6 II is too slow, weddings the face detect is poor and wildlife its too slow and cant see even a dog with a stick its mouth. I go back to my D500 often.
Great series guys! 👏👏👏
Here's hoping we get a Z6/7ii update soon. I've been saying it for years, the best thing about the Z system is the lenses. That 50mm 1.8 is super dreamy and worth sticking with on its own.
@@camilo8cheryl I don't think 50.2 is very good. Instead, it is heavy and the focusing speed is slow. At least, the focusing speed of 50.8 is faster than 50.2, and the image quality is not inferior to 50.2. The only advantage is that it has more than one aperture.
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Hi, I'm the only person in the world that cares for Z mount APS-C cameras and lenses.
You can derive it from the full frame cameras.
Full frame Zfc ❤️🙌🏼
And a unicorn? :-D
I think the Z50 was a great camera in 2019, but with the new R10 its showing age and I worry Nikon isn't giving proper attention to their APS-C lineup.
I still love it. Lightweight, relatively cheap, great image quality. I have shot surgery pictures with the standard kit zoom. You have very special lighting conditions. Pictures look great. I prefer them over my D750. With. FtZ Adapter and Sigma 18-35 f1.8 it even gets better.
You're talking about 3 years of difference in technology. Have faith, Nikon will release a newer competitive model, hopefully a mirrorless D500. That'll smoke the rest for some time.
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@@wilteduk007 I predict an announcement before year end! You heard it here first!😂😂😂
I feel like the Z50 and zfc were just released to fill a place in the lineup for casual users and get some real world sales numbers. I think and I’m hoping that Nikon will really get into developing the apsc lineup once they’re done with the pro sports stuff (Z9, super telephotos).
Even I have switch from Nikon Z to Fujifilm GFX a few weeks ago I'm optimistic for the future of Nikon. I have used Nikon for 29 years and I made the switch because I felt in love with Fuji after trying it for a few days. From my perspective it is no mistake to invest into Nikon gear.
Before the pitchforks come out: I understand that there is a satirical/comedic undertone to this video, and it's supposed to be light hearted. I like both of these guy and I watch their videos from time to time.
This video is a great example of how pampered "photographers" (camera nerds, really) are these days. F1.4 primes? Eye detect AF? Who cares. Learn how to shoot on film and you'll be a LOT more appreciative of your current digital camera. I know I have.
Exactly. The same people who say, "It's the photographer, not the camera!" whine about cameras lacking features.
The Z50 is one of my favourite cameras. I use it more than my bulky Z6ii. F/1.4 would be nice but it will come in at probably double the price.
As a Nikon fanboy, I'm optimistic about Nikons future.
But of course I'm waiting to see which camera they release next.
Enjoyable video. Z6ii owner here, have 24-200 non-S and looking for its 200-600 companion. Never going for those CAD $18K prime teles. Nikon not really thrilling me with love, but I do appreciate the latest firmware. More to come? Would be nice.
I think they're doing what they can as fast as they can, given worldwide constraints and existing options in F-mount (200-500mm lens).
Interesting comments and I can see how some of these cross-brand comparisons could affect the brand choices of new entry level buyers. However, as a Nikon shooter with a very serious investment in Nikon lenses (and other things like remote triggers, etc.) I can’t imagine changing to another brand every time one of the majors gets a bit ahead of the others.
That is the strategy of Nikon, leave the new users to Sony and Canon, and concentrate on their old users. But at some time you need to attract new user.
@@angeloregina I think there strategy was also, "Do the best we can do." Of course, I'm frustrated by their big double-mistake with the Z6 / Z7 (single card slot, no vertical grip). But Nikon, the company, is quite a bit smaller than Canon or especially Sony, which is a giant. So I think they're doing the best they can with their resources, especially given that more than half the life of the Z-system has included the pandemic.
I’m optimistic for sure, but then again I never lost my optimism for Nikon. BTW I’m hoping to see more shots of you ice skating, it’s been too many years without one of that world class backside of yours (a private but now public joke folks). Cheers.
Very optimistic about the upcoming Nikon line up.
Nikon - we want the Z6ii in a Zfc like body + z9 AF performance
@Rich because not everyone wants to carry around a cinder block for a camera maybe?
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@@richrollin4867 for real? spec weight of the z7ii is 705 g with battery. the z9 with batts is 1340 g. that's tremendous!
for all of the things i use these cameras for: real estate, event, personal use (beach, hike etc), that weight difference is all of the difference. i can throw pretty much any lens i have onto my z7 and still have a lower weight/ smaller form factor than just the z9 by itself.
it makes ALL of the difference-- that built-in grip. not everyone needs that damned thing.
@@richrollin4867 attach a separate grip. 😊
Considering every youtuber had them bust a year ago, Nikons done incredibly well for a company that's meant to be on it arse. The Z9 can only mean great things for the future models from Nikon. They have to stay competitive on price and performance compared to the other brands, they can't hold back these improvements or they'll simply not compete.
Only click bait RUclipsrs that didn’t know what they were talking about said that. Anyone that actually looked into it could see in Nikons financial forecast they were planning to lose money from restructuring and slimming down from the dslr boom and then planning to turn a profit later. Also Nikon was still spending significant amounts of money on camera R&D so they clearly weren’t planning on going out of business.
If anything it would have only been Nikons consumer division which would have been bust, Nikon is freaking huge in industry.
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Hi guys! The Z9 is definitely a drool-worthy camera, but we mere mortals cannot afford it.
Where are the "Zee" subtitles? As an American, I couldn't understand what you were talking about.
Pretty cool that since this video was made, Nikon has addressed the availability of faster lenses (with f1.2 primes) and sorta third party ones (Nikkor-branded Tamron lenses). and also linear focus (unfortunately not for the original Z6/Z7... yet!)
I was a Nikon shooter since the film days, and had great hopes when they entered the mirrorless realm. Those hope were quickly dashed as I needed good video features, and the Z6 and Z7 didn't support 10 bit 422 colors and the AF in video was still subpar, especially with the FTZ adapter. Still, I waited to see what they would do with a followup model before trading in my D800 (and separate video camera) for another brand, but eventually gave up and went with Lumix last year. Yes, the Z9 is a great camera, and if this had come out a couple of years ago, I might still be a Nikon shooter. At this point, trading in practically new glass isn't cost-effective, so I'm committed to my new system for the next several years.
Also Z9 is in the highest price range.
OK, when will the 200-600 be available? Will it be lighter weight than the Sony version? Fast focusing? How about a mid-tier sport/wildlife camera to go along with the 200-600 lens? Not a complaint, just a question of when can we expect to see these offerings?
They've been really quiet about the 200-600. I just gave up and got a Tamron 150-600 G2 (to replace my G1) instead. The Nikon lens will likely be better (and more expensive) but who knows when it'll actually be available.
@@richrollin4867 Perhaps and if that is the case, then Nikon needs to really have a stellar lens that beats the Sony offering by a fair margin. Aggressive pricing is just business. Nikon should either come out with this lens or take it off of the roadmap if they have no intention of offering it. Problem is not a single one of us, unless we have insider knowledge, has a clue what is in the works.
@@richrollin4867 I think you're right. I just hope it is a very good lens.
I always fail to understand why people are so infatuated with tech specs and features in cameras that most will never need, use or master because of the complexity. This goes for any brand, not specially for Nikon. What I need is pretty basic: good image resolution, low high ISO noise, good ergonomics and an uncluttered UI, the rest is PASM, an eye for scene and composition and experience, that’s why I usually keep my gear longer than average. Of course, I’m happy about technical improvements, but in the end it’s always the the resulting image that counts and a that I’m happy with my Z6II as it is.
They need all those tech specs and features so they can keep saying, "It's the photographer, not the camera!"
Granted, I am mostly a landscape/cityscape shooter, but I absolutely love my Z Nikons. The optics are fantastic. The colours are gorgeous. Yet, I can pop on tons of my old legacy glass, some of it 50 years old, for a whole different shooting vibe. Do I wish they had Canon R AF? Yes, but for 90% of what I shoot, it’s irrelevant.
Good video!
I am still trying to decide if I should stay with Nikon or jump ship to Sony or Canon. I was expecting them to come out with a Z8 wherein Nikon would pass along some features of the Z9 like the competition does with their less expensive lines.
If you ignore the Full Frame vs APS-C (aka Super 35), how would compare the Z9 System versus the Fujifilm X-H2S System?
Great video! I’ve done the whole switching thing over the last 4 years ….dropped canon DSLR’s went to Fuji xt3 and Sony a7r2 then added Fuji medium format and now Nikon Z7 and 6. Love them. I’m sold on Nikon as main work horses and Fuji medium format for specialty stuff. Sony doesn’t do it for me personally even though I still use the a7rii as my beater daily carry in monochrome mode as I prefer black and white in general. I hate their colors. Nikons just feel like real cameras and the straight out of the camera jpegs and even the raw files look great require less processing. I LOVE the 50mm f1.8 it’s amazing and yes I went and got a few of the g lenses and ftz adapter to use the 58mm f1.4 and the 85mm f1.4. Had to have faster glass but it was worth it. I never thought I would ever go Nikon but with all its faults I just prefer them. I’m waiting on the 3D autofocus and will upgrade the z7 and z6 when they get that tech but for now I’m happy
Viltrox makes good price conscious lenses for the Nikon cropped sensor.
Fun, will share. Personally I'm waiting on the Zee 8 ;)
If a Z7III is $3-3.5k, and the Z9 is $5.5k, I doubt Nikon will want to squeeze in a Z8 for $4.5k. They're working hard enough to produce enough cameras that it seems easier to stick with the body designs which are mainly in production.
Speaking of the D700. I'm still shooting one lol. Love that damn camera
Totally agree with Jordan on the leap and legacy of certain Nikon models that leap-frogged the standards in the industry. Those discounting Nikon and switching away will surely regret doing so.
I feel that the next gen Z6/Z7 may have 3D AF and possibly a variant of the Expeed 7 processor. The gen 2 Z bodies were merely stop gaps to prevent people from jumping ship, but the "real" camears will be the Z8 (whenever that may be) and the gen 3 Z6/Z7. Either way, I think two camera bodies of some sort are on their way and may be announced later this year. One might be an APS-C pro body (like a Z90 or Z500) and the other could be another FF Body (I would think if Nikon announced 2 body codes, it is not likely the Z6/Z7 gen 3, as they will probably wait another year since they have adddressed many of the concerns people had -- dual card slots, vertical grip and USB power.
I can't wait for the future of Nikon
Why can’t I save a “release” drive choice to U1 without it automatically saving to U2 and U3 as well?
Maybe a camera with Fuji X-H2s features can save Jordan's optimism about the Nikon brand. And I agree with Chris on the lenses with F1.4 apertures! Thanks guys!
Z-mount f/1.4 lenses are probably a few years away.
I’m a Nikon film shooter. In a simpler time, Nikon reigned supreme, and I am optimistic that they can once again take that position. If more Z9 tech trickles down to more affordable cameras in Nikon’s range, I may seriously consider getting a non-entry level digital camera.
So optimistic that I bought an used basic Nikon DSLR and start buying Nikon F lenses that are compatible with Z adapter. I will wait for a cheap used Z5 too.
Until now, Z6ii/Z7ii still has missed auto focus issues occasionally not every time though .. so eye af still not reliable on distant static subjects..specially on backlit subjects. Eye af was spot on the face but when you pixel peep, focus is kind of back or front focus🤦🏻♂️
0:05 Nice power outlet! Couldn't take my eyes off it. Also: So Nikon doesn't make SLRs any more?
At most, there may be 1-2 new DSLRs, but my guess is none. Some current models are still available (D6, D850, D780).
Nikon may be behind the other two big 3 brands but honestly it’s still really good. Could it be better? Sure, but I think a lot of the negativity is from comparisons to current iterations of other brands instead of how far camera technology has come. I’m sticking with Nikon and have no plans of switching. They’ll catch up soon.
Exactly!
Nikon has a bright future - I never doubted this even before the Z9 - it was obvious to me that they were working on something big - what choice did they have unless they were willing to go out of business - something that Japanese companies never take lightly and will fight like hell to avoid.
It is true that the low light AF acquisition on the Nikon models below the Z9 is somewhat inadequate and really hurts us event shooters - this is something that I would like to see remedied in firmware more than adding 3D tracking. They can add 3D tracking to the next generation of cameras with the Expeed 7 processor to drive it.
Speaking of new cameras - that is what Nikon needs now more than anything - an update to the Z6/7 and/or a Z8 - also a Z90 (D500) replacement that should kick the snot out of the new R7 from Canon - but admittedly it would be much higher in price to the tune of $1k higher.
Finally, I wondering on your take of the RED lawsuit? Do you think that a RED victory could mean that Nikon would have to remove NRAW and ProRes Raw from the Z9 internally in the United States - I think this would be hurtful for sure and is the only thing that I think looks like a potential negative on the horizon. Your thoughts?
Oh yeah, and I also agree that Nikon needs a full line of 1.2 glass (i.e. the long awaited 85mm and a 35mm). As for 1.4's I think this would be nice down the road, but honestly they should just collaborate with a respectable 3rd party to make these if its too much to chew right now. In the meantime we need the full 1.2 line up. I think between the 1.8's (of which I own and use every one), and the 1.2's (assuming an 85 and a 35 in addition to the 50 - the 50 I also have), there is enough of a choice for the lion's share of the market. If you are en event shooter, the 1.8's are more than sufficient - especially in light of how clean higher ISO's are in the Z6II for example). Also, the 1.8's are small and light and perfect for lugging all day. On the other hand, for the pro portrait and landscape crowd (which I am also a member of) the 1.2's are great - size and weight no longer really matter in this niche - just optical awesomeness.
1.4's are sort of a compromise between these two poles, and although I agree they are useful and probably would be desirable to many, this could be filled by 3rd parties - maybe that is what Nikon means by 'business partnerships' in their future report - here is hoping!
Thanks for the video :)
I agree that Nikon will mainly stick with a f/1.2 lens lineup rather than f/1.4, mainly because the mount allows it and differentiation is clearer. The 85mm f/1.8G and 85mm f/1.4G were so similar, many found the 4x price ratio too much for not enough benefit. With the 50 f/1.8S and 50 f/1.2S, the 3-4x price ratio is easier to at least understand, with better secondary IQ factors which a segment of Nikon photographers will appreciate. I think you're right, the same will happen with the 85 f/1.2S and 35 f/1.2S.
I would give Red less than a 20% chance of winning their lawsuit (though Nikon may reach a "licensing" settlement before going to court). Intellectual property for compression techniques can be very difficult to enforce. And Nikon can respond that they are not competing in the same market, simply by showing the picture of the RED rig from their website, something that will rarely be done with a Z9.
@@UnconventionalReasoning Thanks for the reply and thoughts on the lawsuit - I felt the same way but am curious to hear others' perspective on this :)
How about being able to download directly to a SSD
Been a Nikon shooter since I got a Nikon FE2 as a birthday present in the 1980s. Today shooting hybrid film/digital with FM3a/F6+D5 and 24/35/58/85/105 1.4. When my finances allow it I would probably go for a Z9 but I could also see myself going for the D6 as the best f-mount body and just stay there. A D850 upgrade with better liveview AF (similar to D780) would be nice too but I don't expect that coming from Nikon.
Then about the lack of fast primes in Z mount. If there was a 1.2 series of primes including 24, 35, 85, 105 it would be more of a reason to upgrade. But then Z9 + 24,35,50,85,105 1.2 would be serious money. Maybe at that point I would just look at the Fuji GFX 100s instead.
If Nikon released a full frame ZFc with retro styled compact primes (like the 28mm) I would be very tempted. But if one is allowed to dream, why not a mirrorless full frame ZFc with F-mount?
That court reference 😂 love the exchanges.
Totally agree on APC Line up, As canon has released already R7 and R10 for absolute carnage . Hope to see Z50 -Mark -2 with flipy screen and dual Card slot .This would be the AK-47 of APSC Camera
Flippy screen on a serious camera does not go in the minds of Nikon.
The Z5 is the one camera that needs the wide-area face detect AF feature due to it likely having the slowest processor. The current implementation with auto-area must be more of a processing strain than being able to select a smaller area to search for faces in. I definitely don't see being able to select a smaller area as a pro feature, actually the total opposite... Hopefully Nikon will push that feature down to the Z5.
Not to say the Z5's auto-area face detect AF is terrible. I've had success using it when I set AF-C to "focus" priority instead of "release", but getting the wide area implementation would give Z5 users a more consistent option to choose from.
I gave up trying and went to small area afs.
Optimistic for full frame flagships and that they claw back the crown of AF-King at some point. Pessimistic for shipping times, smaller bodies, feature updates for older cameras, everything APS-C, ... etc.
Adding my two cents (landscape, architecture photographer shooting on a tripod, often hiking/travelling):
- I'm getting concerned about weight more and more, but the market seems to keep going toward heavier products
- Currently with Sony but I really like Nikon's 14-30mm and 24-200mm and may switch to Nikon just for those
- I also really like that the Z7II has iso 64, shutter speeds longer than 30sec, focus stacking, etc.
- If the Z7III is lighter and has a fully articulating screen I would switch (or put the Z7II sensor in the Zfc with the above noted features)
Nikon and fully articulated screens on FF don’t go. Think they are the only one fighting articulated screens, as they think this is for floggers.
@@angeloregina Yeah, they only focus on those screens for video for some reason. I only really do photos and I'm always cursing my Sony screen that only tilts up, either when shooting a ceiling or when doing a low vertical shot.
Now to await for the Fujifilm, OM System, Lumix, and Ricoh/Pentax: The Good and The Bad.
Great video. A couple of notes. Given Nikon’s length of time in the mirrorless market, their lens rollout speed has been reasonable. Optically, their f1.8s are better than nearly all their F mount (and most other manufacturer’s) previous f1.4 glass. They also have the advantage of being fairly light for the performance and weather sealing they provide. Though not cheap, they are excellent value for money. I acknowledge that despite the f1.8s advantages there are many people who will reach a different conclusion regarding the value proposition and want f1.4s. I do think, based on the performance of the 50 mm f1.2, when the f1.2 85 & 35 mm (I realize there hasn’’t been a 35mm f1.2 announcement) hit the market, they will be SPECTACULAR. As a person who has Z6 & Z7 bodies, I LOVE their quality and performance. I realize under some conditions their autofocus are bested by comparable Sony and Canon models. Having said that, Nikon’s strengths in other areas, across the board performance, and the brand’s long term commitment to their customers and the art of photography make me confident in them. In faIrness, this is my 3rd round with Nikon, so I am admittedly somewhat biased. On the other hand, they earned it. I am thankful for the contributions of Sony, Canon, Fuji, Lumix, Leica, and others to the market. Overall, regardless of your ultimate brand choice, it only gets better for consumers of photography and video equipment. I am hoping Nikon has a fantastic year.
I don't think we'll see Z9 AF performance until Nikon releases a Z5II / Z6III / Z7III lineup with the newer processor, like Canon did putting the R3's processor in the R7 and R10
Yes using Xpeed 7 more means that they can order and make more so that should drop the cost of it to Nikon themselves.
@@Digmen1 If they semiconductor foundry has resources to bake this new processor.
Major problem I see is that so many of these cameras are pricing the average photographer out of buying new cameras. I don't think the shake up in the camera industry is done yet.
As they say, that's not a bug, it's a feature. If you read Thom Hogan's website, you know he feels all the major camera manufacturers are being forced to move upscale: ditch entry-level/mid-market cameras entirely (because phones) and concentrate on selling fewer but costlier cameras to a smaller number of richer customers. In the case of Nikon, that's an explicit strategy, and so far it's been successful for them in terms of profit. But it's kind of painful when your favorite camera company tells you, “Get lost, peasant, we don't want you to aspire to our cameras because you're too poor.”
@@jlwilliams It wouldn't cost much for Nikon to put out a $400-$500 entry level mirrorless camera. They already have the excellent D3500 dlsr and a mirrorless camera sould be easier and cheaper to make due to the lack of mechanical parts needed.
The problem becomes while flagship high end creates the most profit per camera you do not bring new users due to reluctance to invest when camera phones may be enough. So you in a senses age out your market. Influencers have taken that edge off a big but as people get use to this tactic it becomes less effective
@@jgaffney567 on the long run you are not getting any new customers into your system.
@@angeloregina Just those who switch because they want the latest and greatest.
For the longest time the new users did not even consider Nikon. They mostly chose Sony due to Sony's huge influencer program. But at the time Sony had poor menu and autofocus and some quality control issues.
So now people are less inclined to listen to influencers.
So you have the contraction of a market due to cellphone. Yet people who may wish say longer lenses may want to invest but the low end is disappearing. The low end traditionally created the path to the people who now have money.
This was a really good video you guys look good too, you look TV good!
Excellent, Jorden… you talk reeeeel good 👍🏻
I have never shot Nikon and probably never will but it's great to see them back on track with the Z9.
I think there has been more whining about Nikon being off-track than them actually being off-track (with one notable exception).
will y’all be doing a good and bad on fuji? 👀
My Z6ii is my favorite camera of all time!
I'd be more optimistic if we had firmware 2.x for my Z7II and the Zfc features (1/3 grid, backup settings, and Wide (L People) in my Z50. However, after shopping for lenses for an R7 the grass isn't much greener for Canon. I even tried an A7M4 and it was not for me due to the color rendering of JPG's, but it checked off all the boxes on paper.
Nikon still doesn't offer a single FX sensor with a fully articulating screen, and needs to workout their AF-C! I get 91% hit rates shooting well lit sports, but that 9% is usually a key/money shot.
I also would like to see an FX version of the Z fc.
I would suggest putting the Z5 inside an Z fc body.
Being that the Z fc design is geared for a photo-centric handling, keeping the dual SD card slots from the Z5 and maybe a BSI sensor (or not) would round out the model perfectly.
It will come, but surely not looking like the Zfc, probably more like a F3, which would also be epic. Z6 II internals paired with a special edition 40mm f2 is what I could imagine them to bring…
@@Zlaja192 and you know this How? The F3 design was more modern handling, more like current ergonomics than the Zf and Z fc. That would be like making a new line based on the D700 and call it a retro Z. Ridiculous!
@@artsilva because they said so in an interview. And even if they would not have done so, the Z fc can be interpreted as a little teaser😊
The F3 had some „modern“ features, but has the perfect look for a modern reincarnation. Dials, red stripe on the grip… it would fit well. But thats just my opinion
@@Zlaja192 Who is They?
The F3 was the genesis of the modern Nikon look going forward. It looks a lot like what we have now and the whole idea of the F retro look is to emulate what the original F, FE and FM looks and operates like. The F3 was getting into programable operations. Besides that "Red Stripe" look was because the designer of Ferrari at the time was hired to bring a "new" look to Nikon while still "being" a recognizable Nikon or at least a piece of what the F2 Photomics were.
Although that era (1980s) could be considered Retro, in the grand scheme of Nikon's history it is still a modern design, I would call it a Semi-Retro design.
The market wants true retro looks, which is why you never see anyone carrying around an F3.
@@artsilva „They“ is obviously Nikon, we are talking about Nikon.
For me the F3 still looks quite retro and not too different than FE/FM bodies, Giugiaro did a nice job with it 👍🏼 paint it silver and/or put it next to a black FM/FE and they dont look to far off from each other, just a nice evolution. I have an FE2 and a F3 at home 😊 but hey, thats just throwing each other opinions at each other 😄
Anyway, lets see what the „Zf“ will end up looking like when its there, I cant wait..
love these guys. :)
I like Nikon's more orthodox classic approach to lenses. Canon RF line as a whole is more ... strange. Somewhere Canon seems to offer more features, but at the same time with wierd cospromises (like dark corners on 14-35 or retractable autofocus with loud motor on 85 2). Canon feel free to experiment on RF because continues to rely on the EF as its core line of obvious and simple lenses, while Nikon decided to make a complete system again. But the problem is that despite the excellent compatibility, and the fact that sigmas finally gets in focus on RF bodies, this is not an ideal option. I think many canonists want new motors and compactness on balanced "boring" lenses.
A minor mistake maybe? But around 4:50, there is a caption "Z for Chris", which should probably be "c for Chris"
Z f c = "Z For Chris"