38:30 if you recall, Nervous, they talk about a movie, "Future of the Flashback" earlier in the prolouge, which is assumed to be a Back to the Future stand in. And Ozwald says the line you're referring to directly after noticing the date on the calendar. So, I think it's safe to assume that that is not a movie implication. Further evidence, Ozwald a) doesn't recognize the Freddy's characters beyond knowing they're what he's been drawing, b) his town is so poor that a fricking corner store is on the brink, meaning there likely isn't a movie theater for Oz to watch a FNAF movie on, and c) Oz isn't the only modern-day child to not recognize Freddy's; Gabrielle doesn't recognize the characters in her grandfather's (or potentially her uncle's, says both) sketchbook, meaning it's not just that Ozwald is unfamiliar. So the likelihood of Oz knowing of a FNAF movie and comparing it there is highly unlikely. -Frank P. Mips
Or "man too angry to die creates an alternate timeline"? I'm thinking about alternate history style here, as in maybe each time he should have died but refuses to do so he splits the timeline? However, having said that I don't like it as then "the timeline" & "canon" require the question of which one - and this universe is confusing enough!
My interpretation of Oswald referencing the movie is not FNAF, but he notices the year on the calendar and is about to say Future of the Flashback, his “favorite old movie.”
@@ShesNervous I was confused when I heard a couple people say it was FNAF! I thought it was pretty clear he was referring to Future of the Flashback since he already brought it up earlier! Lol
I recommend following the rule of "Everything is canon unless directly contradicted and in that case newer works take priority" that is more or less universal accepted in anime and comics
I feel quite confident that Into the Pit was two things: A celebration of the series with lots of easter eggs that isn't meant to be "game canon" at all. While also being a test run to see if there's an interest in releasing games based on the Fazbear Frights content. It could maybe help us understand Fazbear Frights canon, but it seems to be ccompletely disconnected from the main game story.
I hope the Fazbear Frights games are in a seperate timeline. Things can be both cannon to the games and books / book games while still being separate timelines
I feel that the agony in the ballpit due to the DCI(is that the term for the 6 kids dying in this particular story? .....Eh you know what I mean) caused the town to suffer bad luck for years since the incident. And on this particular day Oswald jumped into the pit, and what happens when you cannonball into a pool of water? Water usually splashes back out! That's why I think PitTrap/PitBonnie is able to leave and walk around outside the ballpit. And he only attacks Oswald at night because he is a entity made up of agony, a memory related substance, and is based on a father who was also a killer in a rabbit suit. Supernatural programming, if you will(I love sci fi and supernatural themes combining together). I see Oz saving the children, that are likely dead outside the ballpit in actual history, as him essentially giving them peace and releasing their agony from the ballpit. The secret minigames and arcade repairs are just further releases of agony, hence the 3 star ending being that Jeff's Pizza(and assumingly the whole town) flourishes instead of Oz and his family moving to a town with better opportunities. That's how I took in the story in the game as it was presented to me. I'm not a lore person or a theorist, merely a avid consumer of yalls videos 😅
Into the Pit's canonicity is obviously VERY important to discuss, since that can settle whether or not the Fazbear Frights books are canon to the games (or, at the very least, the ones connected to the Stitchwraith storyline). Now, personally, I think the burden of proof lies on those who claim the game is NOT canon, since Into the Pit is presented as a mainline FNaF game. It has the "Five Nights at Freddy's" title & everything. This is something Into the Pit does not share in common with other spinoffs such as Freddy in Space, which are clearly presented as unimportant troll games. That doesn't automatically mean it has to be canon, just that the odds are in favor for it to be. Also, I'm pretty sure the movie Oswald references isn't the FNaF movie, but more likely Future of the Flashback, since that was brought up earlier & would be a reference to time travel. As a side note, Five Laps at Freddy's being an in-universe game would imply Fazbear Entertainment stalked William & his personal life, only to make a race track out of it later on. Honestly, that wouldn't be very out-of-character for Fazbear Entertainment to do, and would be quite hilarious.
About Secret of the Mimic, that clown looking thing actually seems to have the same eye texture as the Ruin mascots that the Mimic wears, so take that info as you will.
I don't think FLaF is an in-universe game. I think when they say it's "sponsored by Fazbear Entertainment" I think they're referring to the race. Like if you go back and read through it on Steam, it's not referring to it as a game, but as a race with driving safety and stuff. I think of it kinda like Cars 2, "sponsored by Allinol". LMAO ----- As for Into the Pit, I think it perfectly clicks to the games. First of all, in regards to the Frights stories, I've always believed in StitchlineGames. I'm not sure if you've heard of that, but it's basically what Scott has said: only SOME of the stories are connected to the games. How do we tell which ones? Well it depends on what connects to Stitchline, the Stitchwraith epilogues. In those stories, everything comes together. So if something was left out, it's not Stitchline. So things like... pregnant Springtrap baby thing... NOT canon. LOL ----- As for the events of the ITP game, I think Oswald is trapped in the pit for the entire game. Even when the game starts. It's a little hard to explain. As you might know, the pit does not actually time travel. It is haunted and traps you in a dream based on the memories it contains. (Hence the flesh rabbit instead of William. The kids don't remember a man, just a monster.) But what's interesting is the Stitchwraith. At the end of the books, the Stitchwraith goes into the pit and tries to comfort everyone who's trapped in it. And in this game, the Stitchwraith is shown in the window, looking for Oswald. This would be impossible. Because the Stitchwraith is not created until after Jeff's Pizza is cleaned out. But if Oswald is still in the pit, looping the events, it DOES make sense. It's the only reason the Stitchwraith CAN and WOULD be here. The Frights story, the game, and the upcoming interactive novel, are all canon. Oswald is looping. I'm hoping that the novel confirms this when it comes out. Why else would it be called that? "Return to the Pit". It's like you have to have read/played ITP first. ----- Sorry to rant. It's a lot. Lolol. But yeah, FNaF. (Also I saw other people explaining the movie concerns so yeah I like that that makes sense too)
interesting bit about the afton backstory controversy, only goes to show that I live under a rock because I though most people believed him a bad father that started to kill children after one died like in a narcissistic "my children are my posseson, you broke it and now I need to fix him" kinda way because I do remember steelwolf saying in an interview that a killer is more interesting from a narrative standpoint if they have a "reason" and with the way Afton allows Mike to treat CC and talks about his jelaousy of Henry I think it's pretty clear that's not a good man from the core lol
Yeah there is a portion of the community who speaks about William as someone who loved his darling children and he only snapped after their deaths out of grief. I don't mind and of course agree there should be an inciting incident. Just not that it has to mean William was a loving father until one day he wasn't.
Not gonna lie, I subscribed mostly for the nomeclature(the Nervous System, the Nervous Breakdown), but stayed for the quality analysis and theories. Good show.
25:19 with the “Sponsored by Fazbear Entertainment” line I interpret it as just being a nod to how races/racecar drivers are often “Sponsored” by large brands/companies like how Lightning McQueen is “Sponsored by Rust-eze” in the movie Cars for example
I'm glad you're not immediately taking it as a foregone conclusion that all of the interactive novels are gonna be canon just because The Week Before is. Its the only one thats directly stated to be yet so many people are taking that as all of them being canon. That being said, I agree that VIP is canon.
I guess I might be the only one who looked at the ingame story of Into the Pit as everything from Oswald first going into the ballpit until the final conversation in the three star all being an agony filled nightmare. If not for the reason that if you take the scene when he comes out of the pit in the modern setting and than jump to the father waking up it kind of works with what Oswald and his father says to one another. Yes I know the bunny is there at the end and Oswald's father comments on it for all of a split second, however the longer I think about it the more that I question the events in the game. Personally I blame Pizzeria Simulator and dream theory for my line of thinking on this one, if only because Springtrap will show up if you buy that darn ballpit. XD
I think you touched on the thing that rubs me the wrong way about the books- the scifi angle. Now kinda in a twist of irony I generally like scifi more than the paranormal, but for FNAF I wish it was just paranormal. No remnant, no agony, no illusion discs, no Eleanor, no human animantronics. Just good old fashioned ghosts hanging around because they have unfinished business with the man who killed them.
I want to point out that during HW we where explicitly told that the first fnaf games where infact fan retellings of an incident. Using newspaper clippings. Meaning scottcothon games is not an accurate story teller for those games. Everything from Henry being a villain can be called into question. So from that baseline. When we go into the "new" fnaf era. The Real world era we are shown that the a.i. technology is what is causing the damage. Which could lead us down a rabbit hole of things like ViP is cannon because it's the AI breaking down from the damage that was done to it from it. This is of course speculation but things like fanverse and FlaFs are games that exist in the world that use the resources just like fnaf1-6 world is in that bucket too. SPOILERS FOR DEXTER Think of it like if a true crime podcast tried to do an episode on the Bay Harbor Butcher. Know we know it's Dexter but in that world of thought it would be Sgt Doakes because of the news coverage. You see how these things happen?
As you were talking about the "breaking event" that would be required if we aren't dealing with multiple timelines all I could think of was BioShock Infinite. That sort of "when she lost the end of her pinky" event that may not have seemed huge but ends up breaking the world. It'll be interesting if you're right on that one, because if it is that sort of seemingly minor but actually very major event - I wonder if anyone will really see it coming.
i absolutely loved this video, i was sitting along and playing a game/crocheting and it was so fun to relax and think about fnaf like this. the vibes are perfect
genuinely i would be a huge fan of the timeline converge thing. ive always liked the more supernatural aspects of fnaf, and i think that the difference between book and game continuities is only going to get worse if something isnt done, and the timeline converge would solve that, and be interesting
This was a fun video. I admit, I'm really hoping that the series starts to lean more paranormal again, even if that means a split like you mentioned. I'm much more interested in ghosts out for revenge than an AI run amok
When Oswald says that this is just like that movie, I am pretty sure he was referencing the Back to the Future of his universe which begins with the word Future. Maybe I am misremembering though.
You're very articulate, but you're also very conscientious of opposing views, to a degree that feels like you're walking on egg shells, trying to save yourself from the ire of a hypothetical angry mob. I completely understand that, but also, I think you deserve to breathe, and deserve to feel confident in voicing your opinions without the fear of someone becoming angry at you, because frankly, that would be silly, and your opinions are very logically sound. Edit: I believe in Into The Pit supremacy, it's an 11/10 game, and Scott better contract MegaCat to make more games for the FNaF universe
yessss I was really getting in my head so I just wanted to be transparent about that so moving forward I can put those concerns in my past and feel excited to put my thoughts out into the world. Giving myself time before putting out a theory I hope helps me ground myself in what I want to say so I'm not waffling back and forth.
I haven't played the games or read the books, but I think the Pizzaplex books are game ideas to be used in future games and are also parallels. In other words, the Pizzaplex books is reference material for Steel Wool to create more FNAF games and for Scott to share his ideas with them.
I think that ITPeak has to be cannon at this point only cuz there are already 4 different version of same story. A book, comic, game and uncoming Interactive novel. Especially that the game version changed A LOT about og story.
Since Dead By Daylight deals with multiverse stuff and is canon to some of the franchises it uses (notably Alan Wake being the most explicit example) it could possibly be canon to FNAF but maybe in the way different timelines are, but I could see FNAF being a series that gets a full lore tome like Alan Wake.
Twitter is generally a cess pool now. Keep it at arms length if at all. All I'll say is let it rip! After the interview with dawko I think some of the community's ideas have been better than Scott's 😂😂 so you very well may be right. A spectrum of ideas is what's best about this franchise. Don't let the "well actually" Williams get ya down. Cheers!
I think the fact none of the kids know what the FNAF characters are means that they did a really great job on PR clean up and hiding all the facts. It should be noted companies have extensuve and ludricous things in their contracts and terms and conditions for reasons. Stuff happened and they needed to hide everything.
Hey, question from someone who hasn’t read the books. At 12:54, Nervous brings up a moment from the book talking about Monty’s claws making it hard for him to play the bass and that it implies that he may have already made joined the band by that point, but wouldn’t that imply the opposite? That Monty still needs work before he can replace Bonnie, I mean. If the book gives more context though, like saying that he’s breaking the strings or something akin to that, I’m happy to listen. Side note: I don’t really see, when comparing VIP to Helpi, why that program would be strictly tied to that system and the look of Helpi. That’s just my opinion though.
book specifically says "Why would they give an entertainment animatronic such sharp claws? Wouldn’t it make it harder to play the bass?" implying he plays the bass present tense. There's also a sign showing Bonnie and Monty with their arms around each other suggesting at this point they are sharing the role/are in a transitional period. Basically it proves he has sharp claws during the timeframe in which the crime would have been committed.
I’ve usually just subscribed to the theory that the frights books were in universe books that got released as a lead up to help wanted with it being just stories based off real events that cover up the past and slowly help build up to the comeback of Freddy’s in help wanted, then tales of the pizzaplex came out around the lead up to the open of the pizzaplex or around the time the pizzaplex was open, which is why theirs so many references to frights on arcade machines in security breach, which in turn would make into the pit a in universe game created by fazbear entertainment, possibly as another lead up to another thing being built after the pizzaplex like a rebrand of fall fest or something? I’m not for sure, this is just my own opinion tho 😊
Well there is also a reference of tjoc meaning you have a accept that as canon also FE only makes in universe content to cover up what happened nobody rlly knows about FF meaning it's useless. And *scott said only the existence of indie games in universe to cover up what happened is canon and thats it*
Personally I have the same issue with my theories. I don't want to go public with them because they go against the grain, and I feel like people will hound me for it. Which takes away the fun of talking about thses games. Hopefully one day we will get some true answers
Scary is an accurate word to use lol i was in various fnaf tubers live streams last week and some of them were hostile you can't say anything without getting attacked like we're just spitballing here guys calm down
You skipped the fact that VIP features Cassie (not named there but all her description about point out she's her) and how Devon and Ike are the reimagination of Evan Afton and Michael (Mike) Afton. Movie trilogy, book trilogy are just as Scott Cawthon games reimagined as Steel Wool games. Every damn part of it feels way too familiar.
i think the games have been in alternate timelines for a while now and people are just too reluctant to drop the idea of one canon. imo the first 6/(7 if you count world) are a timeline showing the 'core story' of fnaf. Pizzeria sim is the canon ending for me hw/hw2/sb are all an alternate timeline of sorts, they are just 'games' in the world, but the events that happen in them are canon to a /different/ universe, not the one where the 'game' is being played. I think into the pit reaffirms this for me, as the pit clearly shows some.. timeline fuckery of sorts. The world that FNaF takes place in is not our own, and I don't think it's unreasonable within that world to assume that things like agony, hatred, fear, etc transcend somewhat and meld into the world in which the game is being played, further spreading Afton's thoughts. I suppose one way to look at it, is that the post pizzeria sim games are a meta look at how someones thoughts and actions can impact other people in ways unknown, when those thoughts & actions are turned into media for people to consume, I don't think those games take place in the same universe/world that the first 6 did. I'm somewhat repeating myself, but I do feel like they are just displays of how Afton's torture expands beyond the kids he directly harmed. The only thing that muddles this, is the Bonnie mask/Freddie mask, but honestly I feel like both of those were just thrown into the games post haste to throw people off. Neither detail is really relevant, and in the case of the Bonnie bully, I really don't think they would hire someone that was related to the bite of '87 (or whenever it was) because honestly, I don't think Afton is as stupid as to hire someone who was so closely related to one of the most public FNaF "Incidents." Seems like a very poor business move and not at all in line with everything else we see from him as a character. *you could make the argument that Afton is long gone/dead by sb, but why would the Bonnie bully want to work for them anyways.. none of it really makes sense to me
What does it even mean to be canon to Fnaf now? It's all canon even if it's not all connected, never gonna be confirmed so you might as well call it what you like
I haven't played any of the games or read the books, but I think Into the Pit is an in-universe game. So it's possible that Fazbear Entertainment is trying to recoup their losses from the Pizzaplex's destruction in order to renovate it.
I've thought a lot about the potental lore for the Dead by Daylight crossover. They do at least try to have reasonable lore explanations for each crossover.
•I feel like the only satisfying ways to explain Willy's actions are to see him SIGNIFICANTLY bend before he breaks or he was always just a monster. •Not considering multiplayer for FLaF until now is crazy, I hope they can make it work. •The idea that the vengeful spirit is so hellbent on not letting Willy die to torture him, giving him the avenue to always come back, and end up destroying the multiverse is a lot to take in.
My brain just went; FLAF gotta be an in-game game...right? Or are the animatronics now really loving their part time jobs as Racecar drivers? Quite the additional workload coming straight from a shift at the resturant, having to get to the racetrack
also no one else's opinion matters on this channel. just yours. stay to what you enjoy that's what people want to see from you, you enjoying the thought process.
giving afton a backstory wouldnt be about ~understanding the mind of a criminal~, it would be about storytelling. because, as you said...he's fictional. a well fleshed-out character with a motive is just more interesting and engaging for the audience than Generic Slasher #286. there's no connection to be made between that and true crime lmao
Just watch my Afton video for more context of why I'm saying what I said here. The connection has a place here because the storytelling does not suggest Afton was ever a good father. It requires you ignore the way Afton has been presented to try to offer him some sympathetic beginning the way Henry or Edwin have. The same way true crime docs sometimes paint killers in a sympathetic light despite their methods being cruel and showing no remorse after the fact. The connection is when the evidence suggests one thing, but we struggle to accept that narrative because we want people to be redeemable.
GOOD POINT. I wonder if that feeds into my theory about because the timelines are converging people have half memories. The movie doesn't exist in Oswald's timeline but somehow he remembers it for that split second? But worth calling out. He would not have been able to see the movie and not know what FNAF is. Dunno how I didn't think of that.
Glad to have inspired a video series title, even if completely unintentionally
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bravo :D
Incredible title for the series lol
38:30 if you recall, Nervous, they talk about a movie, "Future of the Flashback" earlier in the prolouge, which is assumed to be a Back to the Future stand in. And Ozwald says the line you're referring to directly after noticing the date on the calendar. So, I think it's safe to assume that that is not a movie implication. Further evidence, Ozwald
a) doesn't recognize the Freddy's characters beyond knowing they're what he's been drawing,
b) his town is so poor that a fricking corner store is on the brink, meaning there likely isn't a movie theater for Oz to watch a FNAF movie on, and
c) Oz isn't the only modern-day child to not recognize Freddy's; Gabrielle doesn't recognize the characters in her grandfather's (or potentially her uncle's, says both) sketchbook, meaning it's not just that Ozwald is unfamiliar. So the likelihood of Oz knowing of a FNAF movie and comparing it there is highly unlikely. -Frank P. Mips
YES regarding Future of the Flashback. I had completely forgotten! I am a gooooob.
So basically, man too angry to die, crashes the multiverse!
YES.
Or "man too angry to die creates an alternate timeline"? I'm thinking about alternate history style here, as in maybe each time he should have died but refuses to do so he splits the timeline?
However, having said that I don't like it as then "the timeline" & "canon" require the question of which one - and this universe is confusing enough!
My interpretation of Oswald referencing the movie is not FNAF, but he notices the year on the calendar and is about to say Future of the Flashback, his “favorite old movie.”
I liiiiike this actually.
@@ShesNervous I was confused when I heard a couple people say it was FNAF! I thought it was pretty clear he was referring to Future of the Flashback since he already brought it up earlier! Lol
I just said this in my own comment, then scrolled down to see that not only had it already been said, but that the creator saw it. Whoops.😅
@@FJNBKPMMPS you’re making me feel more justified in that belief that that was the intention!
I recommend following the rule of "Everything is canon unless directly contradicted and in that case newer works take priority" that is more or less universal accepted in anime and comics
The naming for this series is incredible
I feel quite confident that Into the Pit was two things: A celebration of the series with lots of easter eggs that isn't meant to be "game canon" at all. While also being a test run to see if there's an interest in releasing games based on the Fazbear Frights content.
It could maybe help us understand Fazbear Frights canon, but it seems to be ccompletely disconnected from the main game story.
And the Fazbear Frights books are in-universe products sold by Fazbear Entertainment.
hell no, there def was some intent to have cannonicity. only SOME of the assets were literally labeled as easter eggs in the files
I agree completely
I hope the Fazbear Frights games are in a seperate timeline. Things can be both cannon to the games and books / book games while still being separate timelines
I feel that the agony in the ballpit due to the DCI(is that the term for the 6 kids dying in this particular story? .....Eh you know what I mean) caused the town to suffer bad luck for years since the incident. And on this particular day Oswald jumped into the pit, and what happens when you cannonball into a pool of water? Water usually splashes back out! That's why I think PitTrap/PitBonnie is able to leave and walk around outside the ballpit. And he only attacks Oswald at night because he is a entity made up of agony, a memory related substance, and is based on a father who was also a killer in a rabbit suit. Supernatural programming, if you will(I love sci fi and supernatural themes combining together). I see Oz saving the children, that are likely dead outside the ballpit in actual history, as him essentially giving them peace and releasing their agony from the ballpit. The secret minigames and arcade repairs are just further releases of agony, hence the 3 star ending being that Jeff's Pizza(and assumingly the whole town) flourishes instead of Oz and his family moving to a town with better opportunities.
That's how I took in the story in the game as it was presented to me. I'm not a lore person or a theorist, merely a avid consumer of yalls videos 😅
Into the Pit's canonicity is obviously VERY important to discuss, since that can settle whether or not the Fazbear Frights books are canon to the games (or, at the very least, the ones connected to the Stitchwraith storyline). Now, personally, I think the burden of proof lies on those who claim the game is NOT canon, since Into the Pit is presented as a mainline FNaF game. It has the "Five Nights at Freddy's" title & everything. This is something Into the Pit does not share in common with other spinoffs such as Freddy in Space, which are clearly presented as unimportant troll games. That doesn't automatically mean it has to be canon, just that the odds are in favor for it to be.
Also, I'm pretty sure the movie Oswald references isn't the FNaF movie, but more likely Future of the Flashback, since that was brought up earlier & would be a reference to time travel.
As a side note, Five Laps at Freddy's being an in-universe game would imply Fazbear Entertainment stalked William & his personal life, only to make a race track out of it later on. Honestly, that wouldn't be very out-of-character for Fazbear Entertainment to do, and would be quite hilarious.
maybe Into the Pit is an in universe game
Since William once was incharge of fazbear atleast a branch of it I'd say it was likely his ego resulted in the game being made cause he had it made
About Secret of the Mimic, that clown looking thing actually seems to have the same eye texture as the Ruin mascots that the Mimic wears, so take that info as you will.
Yup exactly
I don't think FLaF is an in-universe game. I think when they say it's "sponsored by Fazbear Entertainment" I think they're referring to the race. Like if you go back and read through it on Steam, it's not referring to it as a game, but as a race with driving safety and stuff. I think of it kinda like Cars 2, "sponsored by Allinol". LMAO
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As for Into the Pit, I think it perfectly clicks to the games. First of all, in regards to the Frights stories, I've always believed in StitchlineGames. I'm not sure if you've heard of that, but it's basically what Scott has said: only SOME of the stories are connected to the games.
How do we tell which ones? Well it depends on what connects to Stitchline, the Stitchwraith epilogues. In those stories, everything comes together. So if something was left out, it's not Stitchline.
So things like... pregnant Springtrap baby thing... NOT canon. LOL
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As for the events of the ITP game, I think Oswald is trapped in the pit for the entire game. Even when the game starts. It's a little hard to explain.
As you might know, the pit does not actually time travel. It is haunted and traps you in a dream based on the memories it contains. (Hence the flesh rabbit instead of William. The kids don't remember a man, just a monster.)
But what's interesting is the Stitchwraith. At the end of the books, the Stitchwraith goes into the pit and tries to comfort everyone who's trapped in it. And in this game, the Stitchwraith is shown in the window, looking for Oswald.
This would be impossible. Because the Stitchwraith is not created until after Jeff's Pizza is cleaned out. But if Oswald is still in the pit, looping the events, it DOES make sense. It's the only reason the Stitchwraith CAN and WOULD be here.
The Frights story, the game, and the upcoming interactive novel, are all canon. Oswald is looping. I'm hoping that the novel confirms this when it comes out. Why else would it be called that? "Return to the Pit". It's like you have to have read/played ITP first.
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Sorry to rant. It's a lot. Lolol. But yeah, FNaF. (Also I saw other people explaining the movie concerns so yeah I like that that makes sense too)
interesting bit about the afton backstory controversy, only goes to show that I live under a rock because I though most people believed him a bad father that started to kill children after one died like in a narcissistic "my children are my posseson, you broke it and now I need to fix him" kinda way because I do remember steelwolf saying in an interview that a killer is more interesting from a narrative standpoint if they have a "reason" and with the way Afton allows Mike to treat CC and talks about his jelaousy of Henry I think it's pretty clear that's not a good man from the core lol
Yeah there is a portion of the community who speaks about William as someone who loved his darling children and he only snapped after their deaths out of grief.
I don't mind and of course agree there should be an inciting incident. Just not that it has to mean William was a loving father until one day he wasn't.
Not gonna lie, I subscribed mostly for the nomeclature(the Nervous System, the Nervous Breakdown), but stayed for the quality analysis and theories. Good show.
25:19 with the “Sponsored by Fazbear Entertainment” line I interpret it as just being a nod to how races/racecar drivers are often “Sponsored” by large brands/companies like how Lightning McQueen is “Sponsored by Rust-eze” in the movie Cars for example
I'm glad you're not immediately taking it as a foregone conclusion that all of the interactive novels are gonna be canon just because The Week Before is. Its the only one thats directly stated to be yet so many people are taking that as all of them being canon. That being said, I agree that VIP is canon.
Why wouldn't they all be canon? All of them are part of the same books
i completely agree with ur thoughts on Afton and its nice nice to see someone else who shares a similar sort of opinion
I guess I might be the only one who looked at the ingame story of Into the Pit as everything from Oswald first going into the ballpit until the final conversation in the three star all being an agony filled nightmare. If not for the reason that if you take the scene when he comes out of the pit in the modern setting and than jump to the father waking up it kind of works with what Oswald and his father says to one another. Yes I know the bunny is there at the end and Oswald's father comments on it for all of a split second, however the longer I think about it the more that I question the events in the game.
Personally I blame Pizzeria Simulator and dream theory for my line of thinking on this one, if only because Springtrap will show up if you buy that darn ballpit. XD
I'll add - you can still hear children's screams even "out of" the ball pit.
I think you touched on the thing that rubs me the wrong way about the books- the scifi angle. Now kinda in a twist of irony I generally like scifi more than the paranormal, but for FNAF I wish it was just paranormal. No remnant, no agony, no illusion discs, no Eleanor, no human animantronics. Just good old fashioned ghosts hanging around because they have unfinished business with the man who killed them.
I want to point out that during HW we where explicitly told that the first fnaf games where infact fan retellings of an incident. Using newspaper clippings. Meaning scottcothon games is not an accurate story teller for those games. Everything from Henry being a villain can be called into question.
So from that baseline. When we go into the "new" fnaf era. The Real world era we are shown that the a.i. technology is what is causing the damage. Which could lead us down a rabbit hole of things like ViP is cannon because it's the AI breaking down from the damage that was done to it from it.
This is of course speculation but things like fanverse and FlaFs are games that exist in the world that use the resources just like fnaf1-6 world is in that bucket too.
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Think of it like if a true crime podcast tried to do an episode on the Bay Harbor Butcher. Know we know it's Dexter but in that world of thought it would be Sgt Doakes because of the news coverage. You see how these things happen?
1-6 are real events. The games we play are not the games in universe
As you were talking about the "breaking event" that would be required if we aren't dealing with multiple timelines all I could think of was BioShock Infinite. That sort of "when she lost the end of her pinky" event that may not have seemed huge but ends up breaking the world. It'll be interesting if you're right on that one, because if it is that sort of seemingly minor but actually very major event - I wonder if anyone will really see it coming.
i absolutely loved this video, i was sitting along and playing a game/crocheting and it was so fun to relax and think about fnaf like this. the vibes are perfect
genuinely i would be a huge fan of the timeline converge thing. ive always liked the more supernatural aspects of fnaf, and i think that the difference between book and game continuities is only going to get worse if something isnt done, and the timeline converge would solve that, and be interesting
I absolutely love this style of video. It helped me get through my work day!
VIP to Helpy Save Terminals in SB Main Game seems like a better parallel than the Ruin Helpi.
This was a fun video. I admit, I'm really hoping that the series starts to lean more paranormal again, even if that means a split like you mentioned. I'm much more interested in ghosts out for revenge than an AI run amok
When Oswald says that this is just like that movie, I am pretty sure he was referencing the Back to the Future of his universe which begins with the word Future. Maybe I am misremembering though.
You're very articulate, but you're also very conscientious of opposing views, to a degree that feels like you're walking on egg shells, trying to save yourself from the ire of a hypothetical angry mob. I completely understand that, but also, I think you deserve to breathe, and deserve to feel confident in voicing your opinions without the fear of someone becoming angry at you, because frankly, that would be silly, and your opinions are very logically sound.
Edit: I believe in Into The Pit supremacy, it's an 11/10 game, and Scott better contract MegaCat to make more games for the FNaF universe
yessss I was really getting in my head so I just wanted to be transparent about that so moving forward I can put those concerns in my past and feel excited to put my thoughts out into the world.
Giving myself time before putting out a theory I hope helps me ground myself in what I want to say so I'm not waffling back and forth.
I haven't played the games or read the books, but I think the Pizzaplex books are game ideas to be used in future games and are also parallels. In other words, the Pizzaplex books is reference material for Steel Wool to create more FNAF games and for Scott to share his ideas with them.
I think that ITPeak has to be cannon at this point only cuz there are already 4 different version of same story. A book, comic, game and uncoming Interactive novel. Especially that the game version changed A LOT about og story.
Since Dead By Daylight deals with multiverse stuff and is canon to some of the franchises it uses (notably Alan Wake being the most explicit example) it could possibly be canon to FNAF but maybe in the way different timelines are, but I could see FNAF being a series that gets a full lore tome like Alan Wake.
I have bombshells I could drop on this franchise that nobody has ever talked about.
is it just me or does Nervous have a Lisa Kudrow vibe? I dig it
17:08 I don't know if the Mimic is a top, he reads more like a power bottom to me
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Twitter is generally a cess pool now. Keep it at arms length if at all. All I'll say is let it rip! After the interview with dawko I think some of the community's ideas have been better than Scott's 😂😂 so you very well may be right. A spectrum of ideas is what's best about this franchise. Don't let the "well actually" Williams get ya down. Cheers!
I think the fact none of the kids know what the FNAF characters are means that they did a really great job on PR clean up and hiding all the facts. It should be noted companies have extensuve and ludricous things in their contracts and terms and conditions for reasons. Stuff happened and they needed to hide everything.
good stuff had a grand ol time
0:22 same!
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Hey, question from someone who hasn’t read the books. At 12:54, Nervous brings up a moment from the book talking about Monty’s claws making it hard for him to play the bass and that it implies that he may have already made joined the band by that point, but wouldn’t that imply the opposite? That Monty still needs work before he can replace Bonnie, I mean. If the book gives more context though, like saying that he’s breaking the strings or something akin to that, I’m happy to listen.
Side note: I don’t really see, when comparing VIP to Helpi, why that program would be strictly tied to that system and the look of Helpi. That’s just my opinion though.
book specifically says "Why would they give an entertainment animatronic such sharp claws? Wouldn’t it make it harder to play the bass?" implying he plays the bass present tense.
There's also a sign showing Bonnie and Monty with their arms around each other suggesting at this point they are sharing the role/are in a transitional period.
Basically it proves he has sharp claws during the timeframe in which the crime would have been committed.
@@ShesNervous Okay, thank you so much. :)
I’ve usually just subscribed to the theory that the frights books were in universe books that got released as a lead up to help wanted with it being just stories based off real events that cover up the past and slowly help build up to the comeback of Freddy’s in help wanted, then tales of the pizzaplex came out around the lead up to the open of the pizzaplex or around the time the pizzaplex was open, which is why theirs so many references to frights on arcade machines in security breach, which in turn would make into the pit a in universe game created by fazbear entertainment, possibly as another lead up to another thing being built after the pizzaplex like a rebrand of fall fest or something? I’m not for sure, this is just my own opinion tho 😊
Well there is also a reference of tjoc meaning you have a accept that as canon also FE only makes in universe content to cover up what happened nobody rlly knows about FF meaning it's useless. And *scott said only the existence of indie games in universe to cover up what happened is canon and thats it*
Personally I have the same issue with my theories. I don't want to go public with them because they go against the grain, and I feel like people will hound me for it. Which takes away the fun of talking about thses games. Hopefully one day we will get some true answers
Scary is an accurate word to use lol i was in various fnaf tubers live streams last week and some of them were hostile you can't say anything without getting attacked like we're just spitballing here guys calm down
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, please don’t listen to the haters, and keep putting your thoughts out there!
You skipped the fact that VIP features Cassie (not named there but all her description about point out she's her) and how Devon and Ike are the reimagination of Evan Afton and Michael (Mike) Afton. Movie trilogy, book trilogy are just as Scott Cawthon games reimagined as Steel Wool games. Every damn part of it feels way too familiar.
i think the games have been in alternate timelines for a while now and people are just too reluctant to drop the idea of one canon.
imo the first 6/(7 if you count world) are a timeline showing the 'core story' of fnaf. Pizzeria sim is the canon ending for me
hw/hw2/sb are all an alternate timeline of sorts, they are just 'games' in the world, but the events that happen in them are canon to a /different/ universe, not the one where the 'game' is being played. I think into the pit reaffirms this for me, as the pit clearly shows some.. timeline fuckery of sorts. The world that FNaF takes place in is not our own, and I don't think it's unreasonable within that world to assume that things like agony, hatred, fear, etc transcend somewhat and meld into the world in which the game is being played, further spreading Afton's thoughts.
I suppose one way to look at it, is that the post pizzeria sim games are a meta look at how someones thoughts and actions can impact other people in ways unknown, when those thoughts & actions are turned into media for people to consume, I don't think those games take place in the same universe/world that the first 6 did. I'm somewhat repeating myself, but I do feel like they are just displays of how Afton's torture expands beyond the kids he directly harmed. The only thing that muddles this, is the Bonnie mask/Freddie mask, but honestly I feel like both of those were just thrown into the games post haste to throw people off. Neither detail is really relevant, and in the case of the Bonnie bully, I really don't think they would hire someone that was related to the bite of '87 (or whenever it was) because honestly, I don't think Afton is as stupid as to hire someone who was so closely related to one of the most public FNaF "Incidents." Seems like a very poor business move and not at all in line with everything else we see from him as a character.
*you could make the argument that Afton is long gone/dead by sb, but why would the Bonnie bully want to work for them anyways.. none of it really makes sense to me
What does it even mean to be canon to Fnaf now? It's all canon even if it's not all connected, never gonna be confirmed so you might as well call it what you like
I haven't played any of the games or read the books, but I think Into the Pit is an in-universe game. So it's possible that Fazbear Entertainment is trying to recoup their losses from the Pizzaplex's destruction in order to renovate it.
I've thought a lot about the potental lore for the Dead by Daylight crossover. They do at least try to have reasonable lore explanations for each crossover.
•I feel like the only satisfying ways to explain Willy's actions are to see him SIGNIFICANTLY bend before he breaks or he was always just a monster.
•Not considering multiplayer for FLaF until now is crazy, I hope they can make it work.
•The idea that the vengeful spirit is so hellbent on not letting Willy die to torture him, giving him the avenue to always come back, and end up destroying the multiverse is a lot to take in.
My brain just went;
FLAF gotta be an in-game game...right? Or are the animatronics now really loving their part time jobs as Racecar drivers?
Quite the additional workload coming straight from a shift at the resturant, having to get to the racetrack
I freaking love my Tism at times like these
Or it's a non cannon game and it's meant to tell us lote
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Video: "Living in a weird combination of timelines."
Me as a Zelda Fan.: "First time?"
HAHAHA, true.
If vip did the disappearences that is sooooo stupid
would you be willing to go back and do one of these thought breakdowns for each game?
I'd love to! That sounds so fun.
also no one else's opinion matters on this channel. just yours. stay to what you enjoy that's what people want to see from you, you enjoying the thought process.
This would be fun to see
i believe Into the Pit and the Fnaf Movies are part of "in Universe" but not Part of the Broad Universe.
Its book canon, not gsme canon. Basically 2, intertwined stories that give context for the other
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giving afton a backstory wouldnt be about ~understanding the mind of a criminal~, it would be about storytelling. because, as you said...he's fictional. a well fleshed-out character with a motive is just more interesting and engaging for the audience than Generic Slasher #286. there's no connection to be made between that and true crime lmao
Just watch my Afton video for more context of why I'm saying what I said here.
The connection has a place here because the storytelling does not suggest Afton was ever a good father. It requires you ignore the way Afton has been presented to try to offer him some sympathetic beginning the way Henry or Edwin have.
The same way true crime docs sometimes paint killers in a sympathetic light despite their methods being cruel and showing no remorse after the fact. The connection is when the evidence suggests one thing, but we struggle to accept that narrative because we want people to be redeemable.
Does the movie happen in 1985 though? Because neither Mike nor Abby have heard of the place, so it had obviously been closed down for awhile…
Also if Oswald had watched the movie, I feel like he’d chop up drawing them as drawing the characters he seen in the movie.
GOOD POINT. I wonder if that feeds into my theory about because the timelines are converging people have half memories. The movie doesn't exist in Oswald's timeline but somehow he remembers it for that split second?
But worth calling out. He would not have been able to see the movie and not know what FNAF is. Dunno how I didn't think of that.
Movie is set in like 2000 roughly, but the MCI still happened in the 80s.
I think the movie may have happened in 1993
Or at least close to when fnaf 1 happens in game
Is into the canon pit?
TLDR: not really
waste of time of FNAF Lore just lack of Lore isn't that perfect either way As well