Why I Don't Teach the CAGED System...Focus on THIS Instead! (An R&B Guitar Theory Lesson)

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  • Опубликовано: 5 дек 2024

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  • @Kerry2smooth
    @Kerry2smooth  4 года назад +64

    Agree or disagree? This is why I don’t teach CAGED. Let’s have a healthy discussion. Leave your comments below. Let me hear from the R&B, gospel and neo-soul players.

    • @alexmak5038
      @alexmak5038 4 года назад +55

      I disagree. To me, the point of the CAGED system is to visualize movable shapes, with barre chords still being based on the CAGED shapes. That first C major7 shape you played can be thought of as an A major7 CAGED shape moved up, with the barre replacing the open strings. By knowing how to move each CAGED shape up the neck, and by knowing how to break each shape up (into triads, inversions, drop 2/drop 3, etc), the voicing possibilities are pretty endless. Playing Gospel, I find CAGED helpful because playing a triad based on one of the shapes, I already see 3 or 4 triads within the same original shape that I could play with.
      The difference is approaching CAGED with this mentality takes more time than the "open string" approach, but I think if someone's willing to put in the time, the results speak for themselves.

    • @koleblack8139
      @koleblack8139 4 года назад +1

      I agree

    • @fredericoferreira8388
      @fredericoferreira8388 4 года назад +8

      @@alexmak5038 agree with you! CAGED everywhere!

    • @fredericoferreira8388
      @fredericoferreira8388 4 года назад +26

      i desagree... every chord you played are still CAGED...

    • @Ben-Ken
      @Ben-Ken 4 года назад +10

      I understand what you are trying to say here. I'm just a beginner and every time I look up the chords for an RnB song online, I get the basic vanilla chords that don't sound as good for that particular song. CAGED is a great start to learning the neck. Your ideas add a lot more to it.

  • @ChristianRobinson
    @ChristianRobinson 2 года назад +2

    another great smart lesson.... I think you should teach the C-A-G-E-D if its basic chords.... because some people can start in the fast lane before they learn how to drive.... and some other people like me needs to take one step at a time. I ride a motorcycle.... I started off with a small motor but they told me that I will want a larger one and they where correct but I was NOT wrong for wanting to start of SLOW then elevate to a faster bike.... but the same goes with intro chords, barre chords and open chords.... what you said makes a lot of sense but if your NEW you dont know what CAGED mean or what Dominant 7 chords are.... and if you analyze the open string and CAGED system, many of the notes are repeated in the chord shape.... whereas jazz, gospel and dominant chords usually dont.... so playing the exact chord provides a harmonic texture that we know to be jazz or R&B, and when I say R&B im really saying Jazz Chords.... because I have many books and they all say something different.... but jazz chords involves adding the 7, 9, 11 and 13. So you call them R&B chords.... Im calling them Jazz chords.... if you play a 1-3-5 it wont sound as good unless you add the 7 or 9 or 6 or 4..... these are jazz chords. Calling it R&B chords is saying that the chords are soulful and works better with harmony than the CAGED system.... many songs are built from the CAGED open chord type of system.... but it wont fit many gospel and R&B songs. I totally agree. I realized this a couple of years back when I knew I had the correct ROOT note but was not playing the correct chord because the "voicing " of that chord was wrong... but the bass note was correct.... however, teaching someone to ride a 1,000cc bike before you teach them how to ride a bike thats a 250cc bike or 600cc bike is risky... I knew many people who started riding first on a 1,000cc bike.... so NOT teaching the CAGED system is essentially saying that it dont exist and serves no purpose.... you explained it well.... but I feel learning BASIC chords is necessary to build finger muscles, fret board knowledge and overall understand of chords by learning ALL types of other systems other than the one we are focussing on. Thats just me. then you're putting the player in another BOX, that cant play with a band that uses the CAGED system for the majority of their songs.... in other words, know both. This was my issue.... trying to learn something out of order.... its better to learn in a progression or a logical order.... instead of learning step 17 first, maybe we should learn steps 1-16 first..... just a thought.

  • @navalhistoryhub3748
    @navalhistoryhub3748 2 года назад +13

    Thank you for this channel and the work you put in. My partner and mother of our four babies all under 10 years old passed away 30th December 2021. About a week after she passed away i picked up my guitar and came across one of you're videos. You have drastically improved both my playing and understanding of R & B and all the things that make it beautiful. You have and continue to help me through a difficult time and for that i would like to thank you brother. Peace and stay safe.

  • @tarquinshred
    @tarquinshred 4 года назад +24

    Not sure that you've fully understood how CAGED works... It's a essentially a system that helps us navigate triad inversions across the fretboard. Yes playing them as full voicings could be seen as vanilla, but alot of the smaller major/minor voicings you get (especially on the higher register strings) are all over R&B!

    • @beaubidness6622
      @beaubidness6622 Год назад +1

      Yeah - to ME the CAGED system talks more to soloing - recognize which chord shape you're soloing over, (A shape? E shape?) and the notes that you can move around there. For ME - "where's the root notes next to the notes I'm hitting right now? So I have an anchor from which to get busy doing my thing".

  • @CrazyCow500
    @CrazyCow500 4 года назад +14

    The CAGED system doesn't really have anything to do with voicings and more to do with mapping out how a specific chord is positioned up and down the neck. It is simply usually illustrated with basic open triad shapes for simplification. If you decided to make all those chords 7th chords, the organization of them would would still run in CAGED order. It is simply stating that a certain guitar specific shape of a voicing for a chord will be followed by another guitar specific shape as you move up the neck. Matter of fact, regardless of what extensions, voicings, or inversion you prefer using, the CAGED system will still serve as a basic map for finding chords up and down the neck. It is not genre specific, it is guitar specific.

  • @sundaynightcoffee
    @sundaynightcoffee 2 года назад +1

    Solid lesson into those 7 chords, just finished learning CAGED and how all the scales fit into it. Now going into this, it makes tons more sense 🔓

  • @shravanburagapu8364
    @shravanburagapu8364 4 года назад +42

    CAGED system is very essential when you're trying to understand the guitar fretboard and trying to link every note in a particular key. CAGED are not just the chords that are played in open position but, it is a series progressive spread of notes and different positions. It actually opens a lot of options and possibilities. It is just a reference tool that when used properly is a superpower in guitar playing.

    • @Mulberry2000
      @Mulberry2000 2 года назад

      its rubbish is just all barre chords all over which make it very difficult to learn.

    • @shravanburagapu8364
      @shravanburagapu8364 2 года назад +3

      @@Mulberry2000 if that's the only way you're able to visualise the fretboard then, you must learn more and be flexible in your learning. CAGED is a very useful concept to trace a pattern, and bear in mind that it is one of the many ways to visualise patterns on the fretboard. In order to be able to play anything you want and gain a sound command on the fretboard you will need to practice and try every concept you can find.

    • @Mulberry2000
      @Mulberry2000 2 года назад

      @@shravanburagapu8364 There are other ways to learn the fret board, ie memorizing the notes etc. That is how I do it and others have done the same. I did not need to memorize the fret board to play what I wanted, that is why I can play lots of songs and chor progressions.

    • @Chris-MusicTheoryAndFretboard
      @Chris-MusicTheoryAndFretboard 2 года назад +1

      @@shravanburagapu8364 No professional ever got to where they are with CAGED. You gotta learn your notes, intervals, chords, etc. This is why other multi-stringed instruments don't do CAGED crap (like violin). It will only get you so far but you're limited by your lack of TRUE comprehension of the instrument which ONLY comes when you actually learn your notes and when you actually learn to sight read standard notation (like actually professionals do).

    • @MrEcted
      @MrEcted 2 года назад +1

      @@Chris-MusicTheoryAndFretboard There are a SHITLOAD of amazing professionals who don't site read music and never learned. You don't need to learn music notation to become really good, in the same way that someone who is illiterate is still fully capable of telling a good story.

  • @danielwoodcock8684
    @danielwoodcock8684 4 года назад +142

    @kerry2smooth I think you didn’t represent the CAGED system properly. You played C A G E D As separate cowboy, open chords instead of showing how 1 chord, ie a C chord, could be played anywhere on the neck (using barre chords) using the 5 different shapes to help with different voicing and recognition of where the root is. I generally like your videos but your argument in this one was not supported properly.

    • @kcorso71
      @kcorso71 4 года назад +22

      Agreed. I was confused watching this. I like his stuff, but this isn't a great video. Cool tip on the V chord though.

    • @kamarienedwards1757
      @kamarienedwards1757 4 года назад +5

      kcorso71 it’s not actually a minor9, it’s a major 7 still, search up c major 7 ukulele chord it’s the exact same thing, I know that depending on the chord you can have multiple chords, but think of it like the second string is the root note to create your chord or the G string in this case

    • @patrickvanvlooten
      @patrickvanvlooten 4 года назад +2

      @@kamarienedwards1757 The diagram shows Fmaj7/C, but he's playing Fmaj7/G. And - by not using the CAGED system correctly - Kerry is missing out on at least 4 voicings for each of the chords he played.

    • @kamarienedwards1757
      @kamarienedwards1757 4 года назад +1

      Patrick van Vlooten yeah, I know that, I was just tryna to fix his mistake about the dm9 chord because Kerry was wrong

    • @Kerry2smooth
      @Kerry2smooth  4 года назад +2

      Daniel Woodcock I understand

  • @schinzo19
    @schinzo19 4 года назад +4

    Dude I have been watching videos for a week straight trying to get somebody to sum up r&b in a nutshell, theory wise. Thank you! Getting into the genre and love your stuff. So pleasing to the ear. Excited to learn this new sound

  • @NyneForte
    @NyneForte 4 года назад +6

    All that barre chords are in the caged system. I did not learn the cage system myself, i learned barre chords exactly how you are talking about them. It wasnt until a few years later that i realized they are just the barre chords on open strings. The caged system shapes doesnt stop at open strings it literally is them moved everywhere. Its just a different in mindset. Also maj7 min7 sus chords and diminished every chord is in the caged system too. It all depends on your mindset and teacher.

  • @Navbee133
    @Navbee133 4 года назад +3

    I just found your channel. I've been playing for close to 30 years, but I never bothered to learn the basics. I chose to be narrow minded and just play straight heavy metal, so I'm an expert at power chords. This stuff your showing me is opening my eyes, and I'm really starting to understand this instrument that I've loved for so long, so thank you.

  • @Grimesfinancial02
    @Grimesfinancial02 2 года назад +1

    Bro this is dope!! Appreciate you. Just getting started and this makes so much more sense

  • @tendwayibvumburah2184
    @tendwayibvumburah2184 4 года назад +2

    I’ve been playing for years and I know this but it’s good to know. I’m going to look into your guitar community.
    God bless you dude.

  • @Wicjones
    @Wicjones 2 года назад

    This came right on time fr! Your page is fr a gem! 🙌🏽🔥

  • @mjamison2802
    @mjamison2802 4 года назад +2

    Kerry, I truly appreciate you taking the time out to teach what you've learned over the years. I've been playing bass guitar for about 10 years and this is helping me to see that I could possibly learn guitar as well...thank you for your sacrifice and I hope that you don't get discouraged to the point where you stop uploading because of people that aren't your people. You've got your people ✊🏿 and we here. All love big bro!

  • @YakDiezel
    @YakDiezel 2 года назад +1

    I've been playing for about a year and a few months and i got a lot to learn and you've shown me a lot and thank you. hopefully i can soon afford to sign up because i know this is definitely the direction i want to go in.

  • @mikec2582
    @mikec2582 2 года назад +1

    Love this. I always thought I would never be any good at R&B because I was born on the country side of town. But you've given me hope for the music I love. Thank you bro.

  • @Wes2578
    @Wes2578 4 года назад +17

    I would see this as a good start to learning the caged system if I'm honest. The E and A shaped barre chords are a good start point but then why not learn the rest of the shapes across the neck? Once you know the shapes and intervals there's nothing but practice stopping you from making 7ths/9ths/11ths etc across all the caged system

  • @davidketz6272
    @davidketz6272 3 года назад +2

    I learned about the CAGED system long after I had learned my major and minor scales and barre chords. I, too, thought it was rather limiting. Once I began learning triads, the CAGED system revealed itself because I could see the chord shapes through the triads.
    Love your tutorials, by the way.

  • @renoman_
    @renoman_ 4 года назад +62

    Barre chords are the caged system

    • @renoman_
      @renoman_ 4 года назад +7

      I think he may be misinformed as to what the CAGED system is and all that it offers.

    • @kurtistodd
      @kurtistodd 4 года назад +1

      Actually the caged system is based on the open chords as shown in this video. You can play these chords also by barring up and down the fretboard but they are based on open G etc..

    • @renoman_
      @renoman_ 4 года назад +1

      Kurtis Ackenhausen right ! Which I’s what he’s playing

    • @dandrews2850
      @dandrews2850 4 года назад +1

      You guys should learn what the caged system is..smh

    • @renoman_
      @renoman_ 4 года назад

      @@dandrews2850 meaning what ?? elaborate please

  • @waltersmith5829
    @waltersmith5829 4 года назад +1

    The flavor you put in is very much what I love about R&B. Thanks for your channel.

  • @Bertell4ever
    @Bertell4ever 4 года назад

    What up champ hope all is well, can you send me a link to your video breaking down the number system. I saw it a few years ago when I started but couldn’t find it since then. Keep up the great work... 🙏🏿

  • @Amandab1234
    @Amandab1234 4 года назад +4

    Best teacher during this season!! Thanks for the amazing content! Going to check out your website now!

  • @ziiiim
    @ziiiim 3 года назад

    From what I leaned, the CAGED system is a way for students to learn the fingering of major scales, which can be played on the fingerboard following the five open chord (CAGED) shapes. For example, D major scale can be played in a open C shape from the fifth fret of the A string, or in a open G shape from the 10th fret on the low E string, or a open D shape from the 12th fret on the D string etc.

  • @e-rocworldwide8731
    @e-rocworldwide8731 4 года назад +2

    I have to agree with a previous comment saying, the caged system doesn't just teach the "cowboy" chords. The caged system actually does in fact teach the various voicing that you yourself are using and in fact goes beyond the types of chords but the multiple ways to find the same chords with their different voicings anywhere on the fretboard. More specifically, the minor7th chord that you use and teach on is actually C form chord however that is only one of the five different forms and positions that the caged system teaches. I as well as others who do know and understand the caged system can tell that you do not fully understand the actual teachings of it. Kerry I would highly recommend that you take the time and get the book, you may even prove yourself wrong just by studying volume one, chapter one.

  • @trevormarshall6243
    @trevormarshall6243 4 года назад +17

    This was so helpful, especially the minor shape for the 5, that's game changing!

    • @Kerry2smooth
      @Kerry2smooth  4 года назад +1

      Trevor Marshall good deal

    • @calebwhisler3535
      @calebwhisler3535 4 года назад +2

      That’s a minor 9 or a major 7 voicing depending on the context, I.e where the root is. here it’s actually being used as a major 7, composed of the triad on strings D G B strings (it’s an inversion) and adding the major 7th on the high E string. If you learn caged you would learn this 😉

    • @ewljr
      @ewljr 3 года назад

      Look up diatonic theory

  • @noelwebster9542
    @noelwebster9542 8 месяцев назад +1

    I learned some thing to day. Iam a biggner as you sed family gave me a guitar for my birthday 71y

  • @elfhermie
    @elfhermie 4 года назад +13

    To be fair, that's only the VERY basic concept of the CAGED system. CAGED is simply a way of "seeing" and navigating along the fretboard. Like the old saying about kids, those big open CAGED chords are to be SEEN (they're a map) but rarely to be heard, lol. They are NOT to be played in their entirety like that. They show you different ways of playing the same chord in different areas so you have more options. And then each of those areas can be changed and rearranged into the chord voicings you used above, but they began life as a CAGED shape chord. CAGED is to be used as an invisible map where you can pick an area to vacation in but then you can choose to turn down all kinds of different roads: double stops, triads, other chord voicings, scales, licks, solos. You can drive up or down to different letters in CAGED super easily to explore all kinds of new tourist stops. The CAGED shapes are like big dart boards that you see but then you aim for smaller areas on that dartboard as far as what you want to play to get certain score points across or to hit a big bullseye. You'll find a variety of scale patterns that live in the area of each CAGED letter and how they flow up and down into other areas of the fingerboard so you never get lost. You'll find all the chords you need in one limited area if you want to relax in one spot for a while. But you can also slide into other areas at will. And you'll find that you can turn those big chords into other voicings (including all the R&B chords) by doing nothing more than simply rearranging your fingers slightly. It's really a misunderstood concept that I see a lot of R&B players dismiss because they seem to have only been introduced to the very bare bones BIG OPEN CHORDS basic concept of it. The big open letter chords concept is only the starting line and not the finish line. But then again, there are all kinds of ways to look at this thing we call guitar. Once I found CAGED, the light bulb lit up like never before. I used to play songs and never knew why the chords in the song were chosen. But after learning CAGED, it all made perfect sense. Still, the concept you presented above looks like another very valuable tool to help navigate and make sense of the guitar. Just because I love CAGED doesn't mean I can't love the above video, too, and can learn from it. So peace and thanks! : )

    • @Kerry2smooth
      @Kerry2smooth  4 года назад +2

      elfhermie I appreciate you’re feedback

    • @elfhermie
      @elfhermie 4 года назад +1

      @@Kerry2smooth And I appreciate your lessons and all the help you provide to keep R&B alive! Thanks again, my good man!

  • @MrSweetpoeticjustice
    @MrSweetpoeticjustice 3 года назад

    Dude !! Ppl don't understand how valuable this kind of information is wow *THANK YOU*

  • @deomartinez77
    @deomartinez77 Год назад +1

    This is 100% true. I learned the CAGED system and it is a great system because it helps you find chords across the fretboard going from C to A to G and so on to D. But because it is typically not taught to include the 7th, 9th and 11th intervals I found myself feeling like I needed to relearn to play the guitar as Soul and R&B require those, especially the 7ths. CAGED is great in Rock, Country and Blues though.

  • @Larrymh07
    @Larrymh07 4 года назад +3

    I like this lesson, though I do use CAGED. A lot of my CAGED application is done by using the upper triads of chords and modifying them accordingly. I love the substitution tip!

  • @josefpoznicek
    @josefpoznicek 4 года назад +1

    Thank you, you can’t believe how happy I am right now. This opens up the fretboard for my r&b playing a ton.
    Love your replacement for the 5, gives the scale a whole other feel.

  • @foley13a
    @foley13a 3 года назад +1

    I’m a little late to this party, but here we go. CAGED is cool for all the reasons people say, but you could just as easily learned scales and more importantly the number system. After that, if you’ve got an ear, you’ll start recognizing intervals and it will come together for you with practice. It also helps to improvise and jam with different players with different levels of musicianship.
    Love the Channel man!

  • @Enryu_CZX
    @Enryu_CZX Год назад

    You can use CAGED system for 7th chords too even dominant chords 02:36 that Cmaj7 would be in A shape of CAGED system it's just 1 note difference the shapes will be a little different but it's still within the CAGED

  • @sammuniz5360
    @sammuniz5360 4 года назад +2

    Nice presentation. Rhythm playing is super important. I'm sure you know this but it's worth mentioning, Hendrix was was an amazing rhythm player rooted in the the very same things you're teaching.
    Love it!

  • @dr.rockproductions191
    @dr.rockproductions191 4 года назад

    Hey K2S,
    I was told, because I didn't understand the CAGED system, I'm not really a guitar player. However, when I explained that I have classical guitar experience, and I understood the circle of 4ths and 5ths he changed his attitude. That is why watching your videos are very helpful...

  • @ryanmelvey8764
    @ryanmelvey8764 Год назад +1

    i think CAGED makes sense if a player really focused on the open chords in the beginning of their playing and they primarily play guitar. i learned piano first and when playing guitar went straight to barre chords and so i don't really like to think of things from the CAGED pov

  • @daillman863
    @daillman863 4 года назад +1

    Man keep pushing out this quality content i am learning so much from you and my confidence level is rising thank you so much!

  • @thaconfident1
    @thaconfident1 4 месяца назад

    Thank you very much for your videos! I'm a beginner guitar player and want to solely focus on rnb, jazz, and gospel chords. They're so beautiful, and I want to improve in my phrasing, voicing and adding more "flavor" to my playing. I will focus on learning the barre chords, thanks!

  • @Bobdylan57337
    @Bobdylan57337 4 года назад

    I consider that Caged system as using any chord whose shape can be moved, thus moving the root. Breaking out of the caged system can be done by finding chords that are unique to the shape. For example something crazy like a G7+5. You probably could move that shape, thus making it Caged. Breaking out of Caged would be playing a G#7+5 without copying the same shape, cutting the fluff notes and getting to the heart of the matter (omiting notes when necessesary)

  • @dudufada
    @dudufada 4 года назад

    As a jazz bassist wanting to learn guitar, this lesson really helped me get started! the shapes you have shown so far have opened up the fret board for me. Plz expand on more shapes and voicings. Great work!!!

  • @MrMd5555
    @MrMd5555 3 года назад +1

    The caged system is all over the neck, it just uses the basic open chords as a reference point & a place to start from, it can definitely be useful for lead playing & solos & to familiarize yourself with the entire fretboard

  • @MetaphysicalMusician
    @MetaphysicalMusician 4 года назад +4

    I respectfully disagree. The CAGED system is not just chords..it is a system in which can locate and play all your chords,Scales ,Arps ,melodies etc in any key...it helps you to learn your neck if you know how to use it .It also will help in position reading.I has been used by Joe Pass ..Barney Kessel..Herb Elises..Tommy Tedeseco...it does matter about style.its just like GPS...

    • @Kerry2smooth
      @Kerry2smooth  4 года назад +1

      Phil Tay I appreciate your feedback

    • @MetaphysicalMusician
      @MetaphysicalMusician 4 года назад

      Its cool we all out here..doing our thing...and I Love your playing ...your a Beast..lol 🎸🔥🔥🔥

  • @gian323
    @gian323 4 года назад

    Beginner here. I'm learning the pentatonic shapes and heeding the advice on your beginner video on learning the notes on the first two strings. I'm working on my ear and playing within a minor scale. Thank you for all your work!

  • @michaelbrown3586
    @michaelbrown3586 4 года назад

    Brother Smooth! Thank you for bringing this vital information to the forefront. I've been playing since the 80s and learned the Harmonized Scale very early. the CAGED System has always been a rigid way of approaching the fret board and doesn't fit when trying to learn modern R&B guitar. I'm learning a lot from you, thank you.

  • @Sleepymic_
    @Sleepymic_ 4 года назад

    Thanks for the knowledge brother, I always learn so much from you 🙏🏽

  • @jacobsmith1877
    @jacobsmith1877 4 года назад +3

    The V chord is dominant (major third with minor 7) because of the b7 of Mixolydian, the fifth mode.

  • @ericstevenson5841
    @ericstevenson5841 4 года назад

    Hey kerry 2 smooth,I've been chasing the pentatonic scale for twelve months,you my friend have made more sense in twenty minutes Thankyou x

  • @Jorary209
    @Jorary209 4 года назад

    I've never actually learned any music theory and I just played what sounded good or right. Like stuff that added depth, articulation or flavor to my playing. After playing on and off, gathering info over the years, it kind of just fell into place.
    Thank you for making these videos and helping us!

  • @TheJesseParks
    @TheJesseParks 4 года назад

    I will be watching this video multiple times and im heading over to your site also to join the community. Im at a point in my guitar playing where Im learning barre chord licks and hammer ons. I watch your "Before I let You Go" lesson every night. I will try to apply this because I was questioning the CAGED system because I get the concept but I dont want to continue to stagnate myself growth

  • @MrEwanc
    @MrEwanc 4 года назад +1

    I’ve spent pretty much my entire time playing guitar learning how to solo effectively (blues, rock some jazz). I’ve learned a lot of scale/modes, but I want to learn more about chords. I have always been told that the CAGED system is a form of learning how to find your way around the fretboard more easily and effectively as a guitar soloist, didn’t know that it was about chords too.

  • @franksupercoolchristian3499
    @franksupercoolchristian3499 Год назад +2

    Thanks Mr Kerry, those are the sounds/styles that I

  • @ampersandmcvinegar5681
    @ampersandmcvinegar5681 3 года назад

    I actually started with what you're teaching and I ran into a wall a few years back. The CAGED system really opened up the fretboard for me. It's not meant to be played in one place on the neck. I can play 5 chords phrasings in one place on the neck. 🤷🤯

  • @dezaparizio
    @dezaparizio 4 года назад

    Kerry , saw a golf teaching pro comment on your teaching abilities and as a tennis teaching pro and long time guitar player I wanted to second his compliment on your teaching ability which as a teacher I also quickly recognized ,as informative to the point and appreciate the effort on the diagram window which is very helpful and an ease of following your lesson , keep up the great work !!

  • @MrEwanc
    @MrEwanc 4 года назад

    I get this video, and this is why I’m attracted to what you’re doing because I’m trying to learn to play jazz as a soloist, but I want to blend it with R&B chordal approaches, retaining a jazzy feel but with a more contemporary vibe that moves on from jazz... I just want to create beauty on the electric guitar.

  • @sanpit
    @sanpit Год назад +1

    How do you get such beautiful guitar tones? Did you already make a video discussing your tone?

  • @grievouserror
    @grievouserror 3 года назад

    Thank you for a video I'm glad I watched. I'm as rank a beginner as 'rank' can get and I've seen a LOT of videos to get some guidance on my quest for competence. A huge number of them emphasize and extoll the CAGED system, but not quite all. Maddeningly, one presenter made the offhand comment "... if you use the CAGED system, although I hope you don't" without mentioning why. While I seem to grasp barre chords well enough and the concept behind CAGED to some extent, the actual utility of it is still elusive. Having another perspective on the topic, as well as alternative approaches is profoundly helpful. I think it's also helpful that you didn't edit out mistakes. It's a reminder that even really good players aren't always perfect. :-)

  • @bradallen5571
    @bradallen5571 4 года назад

    I like the approach of this teaching. I see value in the CAGED system in that it opens up the interconnectivity of the fretboard in a "learn every note" kind of way. I think what you're teaching works well with that in that takes the plain vanilla of the former and adds the "now lets make some music out of all this theory" mindset. Again, very cool.

  • @olivier3847
    @olivier3847 2 года назад

    2:30 you actually did use the caged system here to move from that first open c chord (C shape) to the bar chord c (A shape) on the third fret (you just made it a maj 7)

  • @MrRed-bk9xn
    @MrRed-bk9xn 4 года назад

    I like this concept. Alternatives to using the CAGED for R&B. One more video like this please.

  • @kurtistodd
    @kurtistodd 4 года назад

    I started on guitar with the caged system although until recently I didn't know that it had a name. It has given me an approach to guitar I may have not had otherwise, but recently I have been interested in R & B and found my approach had limitations that made me sound like I was playing country. I have only recently begun to break free of this by checking out videos on youtube with Spanky Alford and many of the great gospel players. Exploring these players and techniques has expanded my playing to incorporate many styles of guitar. In conclusion I agree wholeheartedly on the premise of this video!

  • @truthmanifestingtruth
    @truthmanifestingtruth 4 года назад

    Kerry you have to look at Jos Pass’ teaching on the cage system...it’s basically what you are saying about barre chords...he connects it with what you already do. His stuff is full of drop 2 and jazz stuff. I don’t know who 1st exposed you to the cage system but when I heard Joe Pass’ application of it, I knew that was going to work.

  • @MrPj4718
    @MrPj4718 4 года назад

    I've been watching your stuff since 2009 You're style teaching has improved so much over the years.

  • @ZDawg.Official
    @ZDawg.Official 4 года назад

    Definitely my preferred way to play.. Bars make more sense & you can have fun with the pinky with the hammer ons

  • @nwablackdeff2553
    @nwablackdeff2553 4 года назад

    I’m new to guitar. 6 weeks or so. I enjoy your videos. You helped me realize rnb guitar is what I loath want to play. Unfortunately, a lot of what you say goes over my head. I’ll check your website to see if some things come together.

  • @jericray4169
    @jericray4169 4 года назад

    Hey! An R&B/neo soul/smooth jazz guitarist here and I'm feeling to get a bit music geeky...
    Learning the diatonic scale/chords with a number system as barre chords vs the CAGED system is an invalid argument. The CAGED system is more of an aid to help you visualise the fretboard from the basic stuff we learn as beginners, open chords. So if we take the chords E and A major and move them a fret or 2 then we've already made a barre chord. If we take the other open chords, we have the shapes of a chord in every root note across every string. If we do the same with minor you'll find that Dm9 shape that us R&B and jazz guitarists love to play.
    So this is actually an advantage of the CAGED system as most guitarists whatever the genre only seem to know chords built off of the 6th and 5th string. Sure we can just play the higher end of full chords but knowing where you are anywhere on the guitar, whatever fret or string is an advantage to having a deeper understanding of your instrument.
    An argument could be "I'm never going to play those chords anyway" and for most players that'd probably be true, but we can still use that knowledge gained from this approach to seeing things in a different way. E.g. I'm mainly a 3-note per string player (but have an understanding of traditional and contemprary methods) and with that method, visually it fits horizontally over barre chords across the diatonic harmonized scale and I can see all the intervals and extensions 11th, 13th #9 etc. But if we do the same using the CAGED system to visualise these intervals/extensions or the tonal notes in uncommon places we're used to, it broadens the understanding of what we're playing when we're doing our R&B licks.
    The misconception about the CAGED system is that is keeps you 'Caged' from the fact that you're using open chords (triads). Which isn't true because you can always use the same concept if you choose to extend to 7th chords or 9th chords etc. But for fun (because it's 2am and I'm already invested in this🤷🏻‍♂️), let's just say all we can play is triads from these Caged shapes. How can we use this knowledge to make us sound R&B? So more specific to soloing or comping, we can use these shapes to superimpose over other chords to further extend the harmony for intervals we want to be heard. So if we have a Cmaj7 chord and play a Gmaj triad just using the shapes from what we think is Caged system, we've created an extended harmony of Cmaj9.
    This could be method could be useful in many ways depending on how we view things. I strongly believe learning and taking as much as you can from every area of music not only makes us better guitarists but also better musicians.
    That being said, this is all just instrumentation and music theory and ultimately doesn't matter really.. Charlie Parker said
    “Master your instrument, Master the music, and then forget all that bullshit and just play.”
    I love the idea of more R&B orientated guitar discussions, there just isn't enough for this growing community! 👍🎸 Great video, Kerry!
    (Edit: Although I've said all this, I also don't teach CAGED to any of my students)

  • @reezalguy
    @reezalguy 4 года назад

    been a beginner for the last 10 years. like you, caged system is a little bit confusing to me too eventho i do get the general concept. this was quite helpful and definitely watching it again.

  • @mymusiqmixx
    @mymusiqmixx 4 года назад

    I really appreciate how simple you make learning to Guitar. I am a beginner trying to find a good system that will work for me as a singer songwriter. Even though I am 58 years old I really need to get this. I have so many songs I need to put music to. I’ve been flipping around the Internet trying to find a way to learn better and faster for three years now.
    Please help me to stay with something that I can really get this guitar playing down.

  • @maduroholdings
    @maduroholdings 2 года назад

    Very interesting I’ve been playing a while never really got to advanced level but this idea sparked something I tend to move vertically but moving accross horizontally makes sense makes sense

  • @jrv_27
    @jrv_27 4 года назад

    🗣hey bruh did is awesome ‼ can yuu do a lesson on the 7th chord in a scale...minor7Flat5 etc. Thanks🙏🏾👨🏾‍🦱

    • @acousticknights9654
      @acousticknights9654 4 года назад +1

      Diminished chords (minor7 flat 5) are a little tricky to use. I had the most success getting used to making it a brief step in between a few powerful chord forms (1-4, 4-7-5)
      If you double up everything in the example above besides for the 7, and leave that on a brief in between note, you'll start to get a cool sound.
      You can switch out any of those triads for a major 7th form and put some embellishments between every other one for some zest.
      It took me a while to crunch that chord form in place...but it's totally worth it. That's just one example that I chose randomly on the top of my head and if the sound doesn't suit, the application is still valid. Mix it up a bit for yourself and find YOUR sound

    • @jrv_27
      @jrv_27 4 года назад +1

      @@acousticknights9654🗣 thank yuu bruh; this is appreciated 💯🙏🏾👨🏾‍🦱

  • @daveclucas1973
    @daveclucas1973 3 года назад

    Wow! You just further opened up the neck for me in five minutes! This is good stuff (though I think it can’t hurt to *also* utilize CAGED). I wish I’d seen this video twenty years ago!

  • @rico1dennie704
    @rico1dennie704 4 года назад

    Man you got a fantastic Vibe my Brother.. God Bless you and prosper your R&B Techniques.

  • @francisbawasanta6310
    @francisbawasanta6310 4 года назад

    I wish I saw this 3 years ago lol. I was learning via caged and frustrated from not hearing the tones I liked. Ended up just learning particular songs to hear what I liked but never understood why... This made so much more sense.

  • @vocalinkproduction
    @vocalinkproduction 4 года назад

    Our new go-to channel. Thanks man.

  • @nessishiding
    @nessishiding 4 года назад

    I just have trouble with remembering number system since I’m a person who’s not good at numbers and I would throttle up and choke up like uhh what’s next connecting the number and letter, I know I know it hit I throttle up

  • @traindiesel7005
    @traindiesel7005 4 года назад

    i agree. mostly. interestingly enough though, sometimes it crops up in advanced jazz talks for arpeggio choices over chords... but it's more of a reference then than an actual fully formed system.
    the number system is complete, and far superior. if you know it, you can play with anyone, no rehearsal (within reason). also, intervals in extended harmony make more sense with numbers. anyway just my 2 cents.
    love your channel. peace

  • @charliesullivan1886
    @charliesullivan1886 3 года назад

    Kerry i love those chords and yes i do like your teachings.
    keep up the good work my brother.appreciate you.

  • @aparis82
    @aparis82 4 года назад +1

    KERRY!! You just unlocked this for me ! 🙏🏾

  • @cmaina_music
    @cmaina_music 4 года назад +8

    great lesson learnt a lot. But can we call this click-bait, lol! I mean this was a CAGED lesson, E and A shapes.

  • @derrickmickle5491
    @derrickmickle5491 3 года назад

    I agree. I find CAGED works best for styles that primarily rely on triad and seventh chord harmonies: pop, rock, blues. For styles that pull harmonies heavily from extended chords (9ths, 11ths, 13ths), like jazz and R&B, CAGED can get in the way. You are better off learning to navigate the fretboard intervalicly using octave positions as "home bases." Ultimately, guitarists should know how to navigate the fretboard both ways, but the system you learn first can be influenced by the style of music you primarily play.

  • @christopherminor4231
    @christopherminor4231 4 года назад

    I'm new at guitar, but I know some chords, you really opened my eyes! Keep teaching, I'm going to keep watching!

  • @neildavidvandenbergh5422
    @neildavidvandenbergh5422 3 года назад

    Fantastic, thank you! I know theory is important, but I'm more of a Feel guy, and therefore would prefer the simplest route to achieve those voicings. That's exactly what you did, thanks!

  • @MrRed-bk9xn
    @MrRed-bk9xn 4 года назад +2

    I am a member of Kerry’s camp. I need some drills to get my pinky finger into the mix. Exercise drills. Ty

    • @Kerry2smooth
      @Kerry2smooth  4 года назад +1

      Send a note to Support or Complete the form, Suggestions for Lessons on the site.

  • @taylor818e6
    @taylor818e6 Год назад

    Hello Kerry, I’m new to all this and understand what your saying about the differences, but it would be a great addition to the lesson if you can so examples of playing the same progression in cages and then in your method to hear the difference. Thank you, Anthony

  • @calvinhelms1188
    @calvinhelms1188 4 года назад

    Really learn from the lesson you provide.Your lessons are very well explained.......🙏

  • @omorganstudios
    @omorganstudios 4 года назад

    I think of CAGED as organizing fingerings. I would call your Cmaj7 as coming from A-shape within the C-A-G-E-D system

  • @thebomontellano4996
    @thebomontellano4996 4 года назад

    I've played with Acid Jazz, Funk and Latin Jazz format and you're are 💯 correct. It just does not fit on those styles unless you're playing country or rock music.

  • @rockindavebyron3960
    @rockindavebyron3960 4 года назад

    I agree, the cage system works in certain areas, but in R&B, not so much at all, plus, I'm also a Huge fan of Major 7 & moinor7 chords, to me, it sets this smooth, Sunday morning feeling, & that's why I'm a big fan of it, thanks bro, you ROCK!!! Stay safe my friend, Rick On & God Bless!!!

  • @kolajuwonw
    @kolajuwonw 4 года назад +2

    I’m having trouble adding that flavor between chords. (Hammer-ons, Pull-offs, etc). Any advice or practice exercises to get my hands to do that?

    • @acousticknights9654
      @acousticknights9654 4 года назад

      Switching to or from a regular triad shape for just an instance into a 7th through pulling off or hammering on gives a great sound and a good application musically.
      Doing that a bit starts opening the door to chord embellishments. That's where you get that real flavor.

  • @samuelegazzani3804
    @samuelegazzani3804 2 года назад

    The fact you used a Dmin9 instead of G7 was really my topic moment in this video!!... Thanks !(by the way this also clears a question I had from a cord progression you teach in the Kamp) .thanks again 🙏

  • @mikeanderson6671
    @mikeanderson6671 2 года назад

    I think you are one of the better teachers out there

  • @owizlo
    @owizlo 4 года назад

    All the best licks i ever wrote, were like maj7 and maj9 and a couple min and couple dom or major. Then hit them 2 or 7
    Love every vid bro

  • @drebrown4373
    @drebrown4373 4 года назад +2

    Limiting on the Caged system, the theory is easy to know and the blessing of the guitar is that the shapes don't change. However, that quartet style, as you know, has a lot of inversions and different shapes. That's the reason for my comment below. No shorts this year. Fully committed to get this down.

    • @MetaphysicalMusician
      @MetaphysicalMusician 4 года назад

      CAGED is system in really not about chords its about Shapes that make the chords..scales and arpeggios

    • @Kerry2smooth
      @Kerry2smooth  4 года назад

      Dre Brown gotcha

  • @GodblessOsei
    @GodblessOsei 3 года назад

    I love the way you teach... Hoping to play as you do.. Someday

  • @demofactory
    @demofactory 4 года назад

    Hi Kerry. Great tutorial. very clear explanations. Thanks for sharing!!!!!

  • @_The_Last_Ronin_
    @_The_Last_Ronin_ 4 года назад

    I was originally taught the caged system but I feel so cramped with my playing and I want to step outside that caged system and really understand the guitar and the possibilities I have. I love R&B, Blues, and Jazz what tips would you have for me?

  • @JohnOhkumaThiel
    @JohnOhkumaThiel 4 года назад

    I’m originally a sax player, and a Berklee alumni; picked up guitar about fourteen months ago. When I heard about the ‘CAGED System’ I cringed. I wholeheartedly agree, CAGED System is just beginner theory on the guitar; it’s not a way to play. It’s what a person should learn in the first few months they play guitar, and then never use it again.
    When I learned barre chords, that opened the fretboard for me. And now I’m learning Blues chords. Lots more color.
    Beautiful playing, wonderful lesson.

  • @semajbowens
    @semajbowens 4 года назад +1

    I took one lesson with a friend. He showed me the BAGED system. Most of the time when I mention it to seasoned guitar players, they done know what it is. I may post a video and attempt to explain it.

    • @MetaphysicalMusician
      @MetaphysicalMusician 4 года назад

      Same as caged..but sub the B for the C

    • @Kerry2smooth
      @Kerry2smooth  4 года назад

      semajbowens gotcha

    • @kyurdi
      @kyurdi 4 года назад

      @@MetaphysicalMusician B and A are the same talking in CAGED system...

  • @caselldavis3731
    @caselldavis3731 4 года назад

    You are shining a bright light for me, adding that flavor changes up my whole sound...

  • @illClintonDuval
    @illClintonDuval 4 года назад +37

    I usually like his vids but I don’t think he knows what the CAGED system actually is

    • @drjay927
      @drjay927 3 года назад +1

      Well apparently you don't need to if you play like him