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Some information about Hinderer Knives that was NOT included in this upload: Gen 4 XM 18 (discontinued) - Comes with nylon washers, no lock bar insert. Gen 5 XM 18 (discontinued) - Comes with nylon washers, upgraded with lock bar insert. Gen 6 "Tri-Way" XM 18 (currently in production) - Comes pre installed with bearings. INCLUDES modular PB and nylon washers. Also upgraded with lock bar insert. Finishes like "stonewash" and "working finish" are standard finishes, and do not cost extra. However, finishes like "DLC", "stonewashed DLC", or "FDE DLC" etc are NOT standard, and DO cost extra. I got that partially wrong in the video. The "DLC" blades in this video are ACTUALLY parkerized. There is a difference between an actual DLC coating on Hinderer knife, and this parkerized finish. Currently, this finish seems to be specific to "Vintage Series" XMs. Not all parts are modular with all models. For example, XM 18 3" handle screws will not fit an XM 18 3.5", but the pocket clip will fit on either. Custom parts are usually labeled at retailers. Make sure you're ordering the correct parts for your Hinderer. ***More info will be added if necessary***
I finally purchased my first Hinderer knife. I was skeptical on it due to the price and because I prefer a non flipper. The battle blue framed xm-18 3.5 called out to me, so I’ve now purchased two. Both are spantos and both have working finished blades. Don’t sleep on getting one if you find one you really like. I saw a purple anodized framed one with a black dlc blade. Pulled it up online after work that same day and it was gone. I personally would have no issue waiting for a few months on a special order xm-18. It would be nice to be able to order exactly what features that you want through Hinderer directly. Great video as always.
I'm currently waiting on my first hinderer, i know this is an old comment but it speaks to me because it will be my only flipper knife. But here's hoping i have the same experience as you
Watching your videos for a long time and thanks to that pulled the trigger on my first Hinderer. It's a gen 6 XM-18 flipperless sheepsfoor 3.5 with CF scale. Absolutely love it! Really appreciate your great video's and insight on the knife community. Thanks :-)
Great video! Another thing is that Hinderers seem to retain their value quite well too. Only issue was at around 10:08 the claim was made that only the 3" Eklipse has the tri-way in it. Their "Gen 6" (actually gen 3) 3.5" Eklipses have the tri-way system in them. Now I'm not positive on when he started doing them but my 3.5" ("Gen 6") Eklipse has the tri-way in it & I've had it for a bit now.
I thought for a long time the 0562 was just as good, even after handling some at a local dealer. After listening to you rave on them for so long ,I finally found one I liked and got it. I have to say you have to spend some time with one to start to recognize the difference between the quality and value if you have carried the ZT for a while. I would highly recommend springing for one if you can, mine has became my preferred EDC , along with a small Sebenza, I've always carried a couple of knives , these two are definitely impossible to beat IMHO for me anyway.
Metal, you have single-handedly made me into a Hinderer fan boy and my first XM-18 skinny slicer is on its way. Not cuz of this video but so many of the others you’ve put out.. yeah I’ve watched a ‘few’. Anyway I know they’re not cheap but man do I love the look of them and I’m sure when I feel the action it’ll be just soooo sweet. Thanks again and keep up the great work.
I've used/collected pocketknives for over 30 years. I've never had a design speak to me with such power, grace and beauty as the XM-18 3.5 (with a regrind). Sold the rest, kept the best.
Well Spydie is approaching that price point. I have 4 H's, but now rarely carry them. I morhped into light weight 3" blades, like P3 or Native cf. Will probably sell two of the H's sometime.
You cleared alot of things for me... a thing that many reviewers harp on that they seem to not care with Hinderer knifes is the fact that you have 3 - 4 different styles of hardware in 1 knife... people go crazy to see two sizes of torx but Hinderer uses a proprietary pivot, philips, torx, flat head, different-sizes of torx and nobody seems to care haha... Might have to try one in hand and see what all the fuzz is about.
I just picked up my first Hinderer (Gen 4 XM-18 3”) secondhand. It’s definitely a well built knife. The best part is it was only $120 out of pocket lol.
I liked the video. I initially bought the ZT 0562, and now own 5 Hinderers. Although I really like the action on bearings, I have transitioned my Full Track, Half Track, and my XM-18 3.5 to Teflon washers. I have found the action to be really smooth and if they get dirty, you can literally run water thru the pivot and blow them out since these washers are self lubricating.
I have several personal issues with Hinderer's which stops me from buying one. First up the HRC issue with their 20cv (I only EDC M390 knives, or its analogues 20cv or 204p) and how it is run intentionally on the softer side (HRC 59-60) Bohler recommends 60-62 and from all the cutting tests I have seen it hits a sweet spot at around HRC62, and yet remains ductile. Running their 20cv at HRC 59-60 basically puts it at s35vn (at HRC 59-60) levels of performance in regards to edge retention and the s35vn will actually will be tougher that the 20cv and will resist chipping better than the 20cv. Reate runs their M390 at HRC60-61 (and does proprietary cryo treatments and hand grinding/with cooling processes to ensure the edge does not get fatigued through the sharpening process) and are achieving fantastic edge retention results and have no chipping issues. Why I mention this is easily pay just as much for a Reate as you do for a Hinderer so Hinderer needs to be doing more as far as HRC goes. Secondly, the cost of them, by the time you get one here in Australia (exchange rate, import duties) they cost around AUD$700 and to me they are simply not worth that sort of money. For that sort of money I recently bought a Liong Mah Eraser marbled carbon fiber version and in all honesty any Hinderer I have handled hasn't compared to my Liong Mah. Thirdly, I hate that many of the Hinderer's have jimping in the landing zones of the flipper area, so when you fire the knife your finger lands on it, I wish knife companies would stop doing this as it is unnecessary and pointless and all it does is annoy many end users.
@@metal_complex I have to disagree with that assessment of heat treat mate, respectfully. Hinderer needs to at the very least get in into Bohler's recommended range consistently of HRC 60-62, and probably aim for 61 just to be sure they are getting well within the right range. Running it soft does NOTHING but reduce edge retention figures. M390 remains ductile at HRC 60-62 and does not become prone to chipping or edge rolling/deformation. I have heard of custom makers running 20cv at HRC 64 and it still not being prone to chipping..... People specifically buy M390 for it's reported exceptional edge retention capabilities and it simply does not deliver at HRC 59-60, which has been proven time and again in cutting tests done by a multitude of people. It does however deliver that exceptional edge retention at HRC 62, and Reate can get exceptional figures from M390 at a tested HRC 61 Here, I have one of these knives (Reate Horizon D, sharpened in a similar manner, certified 25 BESS edge, 12 DPS edge) and this shows what M390 done right can do ruclips.net/video/ZcjVhrmwA9g/видео.html or Spyderco M390 at a tested HRC 62 ruclips.net/video/bpxTkSY3_hc/видео.html
Having it between 59-60 makes it ever so slightly less likely to chip. Rick talks about this. It's not me you have to convince, it's Rick Hinderer himself. The guy isn't running the heat treat at that range because he doesn't understand it. It's on purpose. The guy is a long time master knife maker. An enormous amount of experience backing his process. I'd take it up with him. No disrespect. Also, he also offers S35VN, (yes, even in gen 6) which IMO is better suited for what the knife was intended for. If you don't like his heat treat for 20cv, go with his s35vn 👍
@@metal_complex I have to wonder exactly how much less likely the chipping issue is? I would love to see the chipping tests that were done by Hinderer with 20cv at HRC 59 vs HRC 62. I would wager it is very small. I personally prefer exceptional edge retention (with the slight increase chance of chipping) as I NEVER use my folders for "hard use" that's what I have fixed blades for. As I previously stated M390 is known for remaining ductile at HRC 62 (and even higher HRC). Again Reate doesn't seem to have a any chipping problems and they consistently run their M390 at HRC 61.
Well we won't know for sure unless extensive testing is done. I've seen very little testing (if any) that proves Reate or anyone else who runs m390 at high rockwell is having no issues with chipping. It's a trade off. Higher rockwell = better edge retention, higher likeliness to chip, lower rockwell = less edge retention, less likely to chip. I would wager the exact line of optimal performance (trade off) between the two is somewhere between 59 and 61. The major benefits will depend heavily on application and blade geometry.
Well Done! A knife is worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it. The resale market on Hinderer knives is proof that they hold their value over time.
Thanks man, at first I thought they were the most heinous looking of knives, but after deciding a o562ti was worth nearly 300$ that Xm-18 design has really grown on me and I was on the fence, and now I am on my way to dlc and forge through a truly wonderous selection of premo knives🔪🔪🔪🔪🙂
great overview vid! Your lineup makes it look as if Hinderer asks a premium price while using commonplace flat blade pivot screws (?) instead of allen key or Torx screws, which gives a bit of a negative first-glance impression, IMHO. But, the frame incorporates more screws to hold both halves together so it still looks durable.
Mine's a gen 6 xm18 3.5 working Spear, battle bronze with hinderer burgundy micarta scale and copper Hardware. All hinderer. Never seen another. Pretty custom options for all factory parts. It's a user. My go-to. I have 30 nice pieces in the collection and my xm18 is my dirty diamond. 😉🤙
This was my grail knife and now that I have my XM-18 3.5". I own over 75 knifes and don't use my collection or expensive knifes, ever. I purchased this knife to use daily, therefore I want to make it my own. I have spent a fortune already trying to make it my own. I've already purchased Textured Bronze Titanium Scale. Carbon Fiber Scale and Blue anodized Titanium scale with standoffs, screws, pivots, blade stop and pocket clip. I could have purchased another Rick Hinderer for what I have spent trying to make the knife to my own liking. I purchased this for EDC, rough, tough use. My question is would you replace the bearing with? Or purchase a spare pair of bearings. Thanks for the great video.
Do they make a 3.5 Mx 18 in a sheepsfoot? I see it on the 3 inch. I recently got a zt 562cf when they went on sale and now I want the real thing, just really want the sheepsfoot.
Xm-18 is the one for me over CRK and even Shiros. If i had to get rid of them all and keep only one it would be my skinny slicer 3.5 xm 18. Awesome folder!
I’m in the UK, so I’ve only seen the slipjoints, but they just don’t float my boat. My pal’s Paddy (Potato Peelers) and Al (Uk legal carry knives) love them, but I can’t get excited. It’s not the price either, I buy and collect Andre De Villiers Knives (I currently have 5), I just don’t get the Hinderer aesthetic.
@@Meloncholymadness I personally don't know, I'm sorry about that. I haven't owned one of either, but I will tell you that I went all the way and order a xm18 yesterday.
I used to collect Hinderers exclusively but since getting into CRK's I can't justify Hinderer's prices. $625 for a full Ti XM vs $450 for a full Ti Inkosi or Large Sebenza. I just don't see it any more. They are fantastic knives but the prices are a bit out of line especially now that their secondary market value has kinda tanked.
Of course. People preceive value differently. I won't ever knock someone for buying an XM-18. Like I said, they're fantastic knives and at one time, I owned several including a custom. Id just like to see things like a plain Ti scale come down from $200.
I’m saving my first Hinderer purchase for when they come out with a Tri-Way 3.5” Eklipse w/ Harpoon Spanto blade. The Harpoon Spanto is my favorite blade shape for sure, but I am kind of thrown off a bit by that seam looking thing up towards the tip.. I mean, isn’t it possible to grind the blade without it? It’s not like he’s going from a hollow to a flat or something... It’s just a flat grind all the way to the tip, yet his knives have that transition line that looks like a seam or something.. If I wanted that hard transition I would just buy the Harpoon Tanto.. Ya know? Just kinda weird I dunno.. Other than that though I LOVE the look of it.
I have an old Hinderer and it is bulletproof. But I bought a new ekipse 3.5 and the quality has really got bad on these knives. My buddy has one and holding them side by side and there are noticeable size tolerance differences in both knives. It seems like their manufacturing is inconsistent with the same knife made at different times.
Can you not do that thing where you go around leaving the exact same comment under multiple videos? Here was my reply to your other identical comment: I have owned 35+ Hinderer knives and handled more from viewers loaning things for channel content. No, the quality hasn't gone down hill and no, it isn't inconsistent. Your experience is just an odd one. Hinderer knives have only become better with time. I also own a strider and a CRK Umnumzaan. Love them both. Hinderer takes the cake.
Why have you done this to me? I didn't know much about Hinderer designs before watching your videos and now I'm on my third ZT Hinderer (0562Ti, 0562CF and 0393, all customized) and wanting to get a real Hinderer soon.
Ive wanted a nice knife for awhile finally about to do it but so overwhelemed on which grind to get or color or even find them... thnx for the video tho
Interesting. The thing I find odd, especially with the Hinderer obsession. If they are so good, why do you keep getting rid of them to get different ones? You always say that you have owned "twenty something" Hinderers. How many do you actually keep? Why not continue building the ultimate collection of all the different examples, from what you consider the ultimate maker? When I am able to acquire something that I consider to be the pinnacle of quality and performance in its category, I don't get rid of it. I keep, and cherish it forever. To me, exchanging whatever the item is for something else, just shows it wasn't that great to begin with, because, if it was, I would have kept it...🤔
Sorry. That's not how I see it. I've explained many times over that I want to experience as much from Hinderer knives as I can. How other people perceive this is "whatever" to me. I like what I like. I enjoy the hobby the way I want to enjoy it.
@@metal_complex Thanks! After a few years of rotating my Spyderco Paramilitary 2 S30v and my Ladder Damascus Large Sebenza 21, I finally got the absolute knife to rule them all for me. Btw do they make a full titanium scale/frame for the xm24 in dlc stonewash?
They are total tanks. My Navy seal buddy has one that has done it all. That’s why I have one. Knowing what his has been through, and the way it looks, WOW Very impressive
I stayed away from hinderer for awhile. Had an xm18 10 years ago and the flipping action/detent was terrible. It's a knife i always wanted to love, it just didn't work out. I need to try out a newer bearing one and see what's up.
@Metal Complex you might be the reason I've never been able to hold a Hinderer of any kind. You have so many and I've never seen one for sale in my area. Haha
Thank you for the video. One thing that keeps me away from Hinderers is that I have never seen a Left-handed model and even the pocket clip seems like it cannot be switched for leftside carry. Do you know If Hinderer makes any models suitable for lefties?
I feel like as a Ohio native I'm required to own a Hinderer someday. I should also get a KA-BAR TDI considering the institute was a mile from where I grew up.
Late to the party but I just wish there was a model with at least a left hand carry scale. A full left handed 18 would be cool but I understand why hinderer and many others don’t do it. If it’s as nice as you say it is then maybe it’s worth getting one anyways! 😂
I can’t bring myself to spend $425 on a knife. Today I won an XM-18 3.5” spanto no choil with dlc coating for $33. Comes in Tuesday and I’m stoked. Impatiently waiting watching your videos until it comes in
Hey buddy hope you're doing well. Eleven days into the new year and we already have a full Hinderer vid...what took you so long. You should become an official salesman for Hinderer...lol. Yeah totally biased hahaha, would've expect anything different from you. Great vid!
Very nice collection. I saw a factory tour video of this brand and the brand of Spyderco Golden Colorado. This knife collection and all knives of this brand is made in a really quality and clean plant. The supply chain management and the processes is epic. I was shocked to see the Spyderco plant. The plant is a complete dump. Dirty and unorganized. I was shocked. My knife from Spyderco was made in Taichung Taiwan. I have not seen that plant but I have been to Taiwan and I trust that the Taiwan plant is like this company's plant. My next purchase is from this brand; Hinderer...
I’d rather buy a new pistol for that kind of money. Much more machining and material for the price. I don’t see the value of a Hinderer knife over my ZT 0562ti. I’ve handled some Hinderers and the ZT is just as good if not better imo. To me it’s a brand/image thing for people who care about that stuff. Like buying designer jeans when Levi’s are better.
@R.J. Lewis I hate Levi's as I am a truck driver and they HATE us truckers. I have Hinderer's and a 0562 and the quality of the Hinderer is far beyond the zt. The 0562 isn't bad but the real deal is just so much better.
Metal Complex : Love your videos man. And yes, it is just my opinion. Never owned a Hinderer, only looked at them and handled a few brand new ones. They are nice knives for sure. I’m just one of those cheapskates that thinks 400+ is too much for a production knife of any brand.
Never thought i would caved in for a Hinderer... Given how bad rap i heard it couldn’t really flip compared to ZTs.... Well, you that nudged me over the edge lol. Went with Fatty 3.5 Tanto Gen 4.
@@zero2three1 It's very underwhelming, even compared to S30V. I get that they were going for a "vintage" feel but O-1 is the last steel I'd expect to see on a $400+ folder.
@@zero2three1 Sorry, didn't mean to. I was really keen on getting it too. Everything about the knife is awesome, but that steel doesn't sit right with me on a knife this expensive.
I really do detest the whole overbuilt, pyrbar of a "knife" era that knives went through back in the day. I'm so glad that people started remembering that knives are cutting tools first and foremost, and got away from that nonsense.
Once I got serious about knives I became a huge spyderco fan boy and owned 20+ at any given time and never gave much thought elsewhere. Then I was in a very bad accident where I had to be cut from the vehicle I was trapped inside and later became friends with the paramedic who did so. The last thing I remembered was him diving in the water,smashing my window out, slicing my seat belt off and then a leather boot before I lost consciousness. In the hospital he came to see me and my wife was hugging and thanking him and he said i didn't save your husband, Rick Hinderer did, then laid a knife on the table. It was a Hinderer XM-18 3.5. That was my introduction and I soon bought one on the secondary market to see what the fuss was about. I'm telling you, I've never regretted it. They are everything I love about Spyderco plus tougher and stronger in my opinion. I've owned 2 other makes both substantially more expensive than either previously mentioned and I'm convinced 4 to 600 is the max on knives as neither knife offered anything Hinderer doesn't other than higher price. I'm not knocking high prices I just firmly believe that the knives I own that were in the 1k range offer nothing my Hinderer's don't at half the price point. Just my two cents. Get one in your hands before you knock it, they may change your mind.
By the way.. what about the weakness of the RHKs locks? I heard a few rumours and controversy and shitstorm talking about how they are dangerous cause the fail in spine lock tests. I had like seven Hinderers and I never had any issue with any of them .. but there are a few ''influencers'' like Ericas EDC or Neeves and they post a few hate videos about RHKs..
Ya it's just people banging on spines. We got away from that in the early 2010s and now this trend has come back for some reason. Any framelock will disengage with enough force. The question is "does this force occur naturally during use?" - the answer is no. No it does not. If spine impacts are occurring, you're misusing your folder. Period.
So a while back you mentioned something about the possibility of an XM-18 in M4 (a serious contender for Excalibur in my mind). That just a rumor, or is that something you think we can legit look forward to?
Not a fan of crazy expensive but I don't see that here. A whole bunch of sub 500 dollar variants. I also liked the sheer number of upgrades you cab buy. Don't like the look perse but I don't see a pricing problem
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Some information about Hinderer Knives that was NOT included in this upload:
Gen 4 XM 18 (discontinued) - Comes with nylon washers, no lock bar insert.
Gen 5 XM 18 (discontinued) - Comes with nylon washers, upgraded with lock bar insert.
Gen 6 "Tri-Way" XM 18 (currently in production) - Comes pre installed with bearings. INCLUDES modular PB and nylon washers. Also upgraded with lock bar insert.
Finishes like "stonewash" and "working finish" are standard finishes, and do not cost extra. However, finishes like "DLC", "stonewashed DLC", or "FDE DLC" etc are NOT standard, and DO cost extra. I got that partially wrong in the video.
The "DLC" blades in this video are ACTUALLY parkerized. There is a difference between an actual DLC coating on Hinderer knife, and this parkerized finish. Currently, this finish seems to be specific to "Vintage Series" XMs.
Not all parts are modular with all models. For example, XM 18 3" handle screws will not fit an XM 18 3.5", but the pocket clip will fit on either. Custom parts are usually labeled at retailers. Make sure you're ordering the correct parts for your Hinderer.
***More info will be added if necessary***
I finally purchased my first Hinderer knife. I was skeptical on it due to the price and because I prefer a non flipper. The battle blue framed xm-18 3.5 called out to me, so I’ve now purchased two. Both are spantos and both have working finished blades. Don’t sleep on getting one if you find one you really like. I saw a purple anodized framed one with a black dlc blade. Pulled it up online after work that same day and it was gone. I personally would have no issue waiting for a few months on a special order xm-18. It would be nice to be able to order exactly what features that you want through Hinderer directly. Great video as always.
I haven't got a hinderer yet im finally interested and can't find a xm-18 anywhere?
I'm currently waiting on my first hinderer, i know this is an old comment but it speaks to me because it will be my only flipper knife. But here's hoping i have the same experience as you
Watching your videos for a long time and thanks to that pulled the trigger on my first Hinderer. It's a gen 6 XM-18 flipperless sheepsfoor 3.5 with CF scale. Absolutely love it! Really appreciate your great video's and insight on the knife community. Thanks :-)
Great video! Another thing is that Hinderers seem to retain their value quite well too. Only issue was at around 10:08 the claim was made that only the 3" Eklipse has the tri-way in it. Their "Gen 6" (actually gen 3) 3.5" Eklipses have the tri-way system in them. Now I'm not positive on when he started doing them but my 3.5" ("Gen 6") Eklipse has the tri-way in it & I've had it for a bit now.
Oh Gawd ! That Vintage is so BEAUTIFUL !!
I thought for a long time the 0562 was just as good, even after handling some at a local dealer. After listening to you rave on them for so long ,I finally found one I liked and got it. I have to say you have to spend some time with one to start to recognize the difference between the quality and value if you have carried the ZT for a while. I would highly recommend springing for one if you can, mine has became my preferred EDC , along with a small Sebenza, I've always carried a couple of knives , these two are definitely impossible to beat IMHO for me anyway.
Metal, you have single-handedly made me into a Hinderer fan boy and my first XM-18 skinny slicer is on its way. Not cuz of this video but so many of the others you’ve put out.. yeah I’ve watched a ‘few’. Anyway I know they’re not cheap but man do I love the look of them and I’m sure when I feel the action it’ll be just soooo sweet. Thanks again and keep up the great work.
I've used/collected pocketknives for over 30 years. I've never had a design speak to me with such power, grace and beauty as the XM-18 3.5 (with a regrind). Sold the rest, kept the best.
Well Spydie is approaching that price point. I have 4 H's, but now rarely carry them. I morhped into light weight 3" blades, like P3 or Native cf. Will probably sell two of the H's sometime.
Why so expensive?
My god at the money on the table! Haha.
You cleared alot of things for me... a thing that many reviewers harp on that they seem to not care with Hinderer knifes is the fact that you have 3 - 4 different styles of hardware in 1 knife... people go crazy to see two sizes of torx but Hinderer uses a proprietary pivot, philips, torx, flat head, different-sizes of torx and nobody seems to care haha...
Might have to try one in hand and see what all the fuzz is about.
I just picked up my first Hinderer (Gen 4 XM-18 3”) secondhand. It’s definitely a well built knife. The best part is it was only $120 out of pocket lol.
I liked the video. I initially bought the ZT 0562, and now own 5 Hinderers. Although I really like the action on bearings, I have transitioned my Full Track, Half Track, and my XM-18 3.5 to Teflon washers. I have found the action to be really smooth and if they get dirty, you can literally run water thru the pivot and blow them out since these washers are self lubricating.
How much of a difference is there between the ZT and the xm18?
Just got my first Hinderer, I love it just as much as my Sebenza 21. Great video man I love the content.
I have several personal issues with Hinderer's which stops me from buying one.
First up the HRC issue with their 20cv (I only EDC M390 knives, or its analogues 20cv or 204p) and how it is run intentionally on the softer side (HRC 59-60) Bohler recommends 60-62 and from all the cutting tests I have seen it hits a sweet spot at around HRC62, and yet remains ductile.
Running their 20cv at HRC 59-60 basically puts it at s35vn (at HRC 59-60) levels of performance in regards to edge retention and the s35vn will actually will be tougher that the 20cv and will resist chipping better than the 20cv.
Reate runs their M390 at HRC60-61 (and does proprietary cryo treatments and hand grinding/with cooling processes to ensure the edge does not get fatigued through the sharpening process) and are achieving fantastic edge retention results and have no chipping issues. Why I mention this is easily pay just as much for a Reate as you do for a Hinderer so Hinderer needs to be doing more as far as HRC goes.
Secondly, the cost of them, by the time you get one here in Australia (exchange rate, import duties) they cost around AUD$700 and to me they are simply not worth that sort of money. For that sort of money I recently bought a Liong Mah Eraser marbled carbon fiber version and in all honesty any Hinderer I have handled hasn't compared to my Liong Mah.
Thirdly, I hate that many of the Hinderer's have jimping in the landing zones of the flipper area, so when you fire the knife your finger lands on it, I wish knife companies would stop doing this as it is unnecessary and pointless and all it does is annoy many end users.
Hinderer's heat treat is totally fine for m390. The other two issues I can understand.
@@metal_complex I have to disagree with that assessment of heat treat mate, respectfully. Hinderer needs to at the very least get in into Bohler's recommended range consistently of HRC 60-62, and probably aim for 61 just to be sure they are getting well within the right range.
Running it soft does NOTHING but reduce edge retention figures. M390 remains ductile at HRC 60-62 and does not become prone to chipping or edge rolling/deformation.
I have heard of custom makers running 20cv at HRC 64 and it still not being prone to chipping.....
People specifically buy M390 for it's reported exceptional edge retention capabilities and it simply does not deliver at HRC 59-60, which has been proven time and again in cutting tests done by a multitude of people. It does however deliver that exceptional edge retention at HRC 62, and Reate can get exceptional figures from M390 at a tested HRC 61
Here, I have one of these knives (Reate Horizon D, sharpened in a similar manner, certified 25 BESS edge, 12 DPS edge) and this shows what M390 done right can do
ruclips.net/video/ZcjVhrmwA9g/видео.html
or Spyderco M390 at a tested HRC 62
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Having it between 59-60 makes it ever so slightly less likely to chip. Rick talks about this. It's not me you have to convince, it's Rick Hinderer himself. The guy isn't running the heat treat at that range because he doesn't understand it. It's on purpose. The guy is a long time master knife maker. An enormous amount of experience backing his process. I'd take it up with him. No disrespect.
Also, he also offers S35VN, (yes, even in gen 6) which IMO is better suited for what the knife was intended for. If you don't like his heat treat for 20cv, go with his s35vn 👍
@@metal_complex I have to wonder exactly how much less likely the chipping issue is? I would love to see the chipping tests that were done by Hinderer with 20cv at HRC 59 vs HRC 62. I would wager it is very small.
I personally prefer exceptional edge retention (with the slight increase chance of chipping) as I NEVER use my folders for "hard use" that's what I have fixed blades for.
As I previously stated M390 is known for remaining ductile at HRC 62 (and even higher HRC).
Again Reate doesn't seem to have a any chipping problems and they consistently run their M390 at HRC 61.
Well we won't know for sure unless extensive testing is done. I've seen very little testing (if any) that proves Reate or anyone else who runs m390 at high rockwell is having no issues with chipping. It's a trade off. Higher rockwell = better edge retention, higher likeliness to chip, lower rockwell = less edge retention, less likely to chip. I would wager the exact line of optimal performance (trade off) between the two is somewhere between 59 and 61. The major benefits will depend heavily on application and blade geometry.
Well Done! A knife is worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it. The resale market on Hinderer knives is proof that they hold their value over time.
Thanks man, at first I thought they were the most heinous looking of knives, but after deciding a o562ti was worth nearly 300$ that Xm-18 design has really grown on me and I was on the fence, and now I am on my way to dlc and forge through a truly wonderous selection of premo knives🔪🔪🔪🔪🙂
great overview vid! Your lineup makes it look as if Hinderer asks a premium price while using commonplace flat blade pivot screws (?) instead of allen key or Torx screws, which gives a bit of a negative first-glance impression, IMHO. But, the frame incorporates more screws to hold both halves together so it still looks durable.
Mine's a gen 6 xm18 3.5 working Spear, battle bronze with hinderer burgundy micarta scale and copper Hardware.
All hinderer. Never seen another. Pretty custom options for all factory parts. It's a user. My go-to. I have 30 nice pieces in the collection and my xm18 is my dirty diamond. 😉🤙
This was my grail knife and now that I have my XM-18 3.5". I own over 75 knifes and don't use my collection or expensive knifes, ever. I purchased this knife to use daily, therefore I want to make it my own. I have spent a fortune already trying to make it my own. I've already purchased Textured Bronze Titanium Scale. Carbon Fiber Scale and Blue anodized Titanium scale with standoffs, screws, pivots, blade stop and pocket clip. I could have purchased another Rick Hinderer for what I have spent trying to make the knife to my own liking.
I purchased this for EDC, rough, tough use.
My question is would you replace the bearing with? Or purchase a spare pair of bearings.
Thanks for the great video.
Is yours a gen 4? If so, ya I'd upgrade to some PB washers. Not necessary, but I always enjoy the feeling at least 👍
@@metal_complex No Gen 6, wasn't sure the bearings can take a beating, although I probably will still baby it, my nature. Leave the bearings in?
Do they make a 3.5 Mx 18 in a sheepsfoot? I see it on the 3 inch. I recently got a zt 562cf when they went on sale and now I want the real thing, just really want the sheepsfoot.
New XM 24 sheepies out now...
Xm-18 is the one for me over CRK and even Shiros. If i had to get rid of them all and keep only one it would be my skinny slicer 3.5 xm 18. Awesome folder!
I’m in the UK, so I’ve only seen the slipjoints, but they just don’t float my boat. My pal’s Paddy (Potato Peelers) and Al (Uk legal carry knives) love them, but I can’t get excited. It’s not the price either, I buy and collect Andre De Villiers Knives (I currently have 5), I just don’t get the Hinderer aesthetic.
Ya I can understand that. Aesthetic draw is a potent factor when you're choosing a knife. 👍
Just a heads up, the Vintage Series knives are parkerized and not DLC coated.
You're right. I always forget that
What's the name of the blade shape, bottom far left and centre top please?
harpooon
Bottom left - tanto harpoon. Top center is spanto harpoon (spanto is a curved tanto)
@@Flames2Cinder Thanks, I since learnt and just recently received my ZT 0393, and love it so much I'm itching for a Hinderer!
@@Flames2Cinder Are Hinderers significantly better than ZT's?
@@Meloncholymadness I personally don't know, I'm sorry about that. I haven't owned one of either, but I will tell you that I went all the way and order a xm18 yesterday.
I used to collect Hinderers exclusively but since getting into CRK's I can't justify Hinderer's prices. $625 for a full Ti XM vs $450 for a full Ti Inkosi or Large Sebenza. I just don't see it any more. They are fantastic knives but the prices are a bit out of line especially now that their secondary market value has kinda tanked.
"Eye of the beholder"
Of course. People preceive value differently. I won't ever knock someone for buying an XM-18. Like I said, they're fantastic knives and at one time, I owned several including a custom. Id just like to see things like a plain Ti scale come down from $200.
@@journeymanedc me too
I’m saving my first Hinderer purchase for when they come out with a Tri-Way 3.5” Eklipse w/ Harpoon Spanto blade. The Harpoon Spanto is my favorite blade shape for sure, but I am kind of thrown off a bit by that seam looking thing up towards the tip.. I mean, isn’t it possible to grind the blade without it? It’s not like he’s going from a hollow to a flat or something... It’s just a flat grind all the way to the tip, yet his knives have that transition line that looks like a seam or something.. If I wanted that hard transition I would just buy the Harpoon Tanto.. Ya know? Just kinda weird I dunno.. Other than that though I LOVE the look of it.
I have an old Hinderer and it is bulletproof. But I bought a new ekipse 3.5 and the quality has really got bad on these knives. My buddy has one and holding them side by side and there are noticeable size tolerance differences in both knives. It seems like their manufacturing is inconsistent with the same knife made at different times.
Can you not do that thing where you go around leaving the exact same comment under multiple videos? Here was my reply to your other identical comment:
I have owned 35+ Hinderer knives and handled more from viewers loaning things for channel content. No, the quality hasn't gone down hill and no, it isn't inconsistent. Your experience is just an odd one. Hinderer knives have only become better with time.
I also own a strider and a CRK Umnumzaan. Love them both. Hinderer takes the cake.
I was hoping to have my XM18 by mid February, not happening unfortunately. But definitely gona have one by my Birthday/beginning of summer
6:30 lol these have plastic washers
Why have you done this to me? I didn't know much about Hinderer designs before watching your videos and now I'm on my third ZT Hinderer (0562Ti, 0562CF and 0393, all customized) and wanting to get a real Hinderer soon.
Ive wanted a nice knife for awhile finally about to do it but so overwhelemed on which grind to get or color or even find them... thnx for the video tho
Interesting.
The thing I find odd, especially with the Hinderer obsession. If they are so good, why do you keep getting rid of them to get different ones?
You always say that you have owned "twenty something" Hinderers. How many do you actually keep?
Why not continue building the ultimate collection of all the different examples, from what you consider the ultimate maker?
When I am able to acquire something that I consider to be the pinnacle of quality and performance in its category, I don't get rid of it.
I keep, and cherish it forever.
To me, exchanging whatever the item is for something else, just shows it wasn't that great to begin with, because, if it was, I would have kept it...🤔
Sorry. That's not how I see it. I've explained many times over that I want to experience as much from Hinderer knives as I can. How other people perceive this is "whatever" to me. I like what I like. I enjoy the hobby the way I want to enjoy it.
I want really bad but yea the price! I understand an handmade but knifes predominantly made by a machine I don't know? To each their own.
I believe people genuinely enjoy Hinderer knives.
I finally got to handle an xm-18 recently. Decided to save up for one - i have plenty of time to save before Blade Show 😂
Awesome video. Lisbon Knife Collector approved! I love Hinderer knives. 🙂👊
Excellent video ! Thanks for sharing your passion on these knives !
Does hinderer sell just the blades ? Because I found a good deal on a xm24 but I Really want to put a harpsponto blade on it ,
Unfortunately no
Still over here trying to buy myself an xm18 or xm24 with a harpoon spanto in 20cv. I refuse to give up and settle.
Amazing video ! Just got myself a XM24 CPM20CV DLC "Jade" Gen6. Just a beast!
NICE!
@@metal_complex Thanks! After a few years of rotating my Spyderco Paramilitary 2 S30v and my Ladder Damascus Large Sebenza 21, I finally got the absolute knife to rule them all for me.
Btw do they make a full titanium scale/frame for the xm24 in dlc stonewash?
I think these definitely helped that insta blow up. :)
Thanks for the upload.
They are total tanks. My Navy seal buddy has one that has done it all. That’s why I have one. Knowing what his has been through, and the way it looks, WOW
Very impressive
I stayed away from hinderer for awhile. Had an xm18 10 years ago and the flipping action/detent was terrible. It's a knife i always wanted to love, it just didn't work out. I need to try out a newer bearing one and see what's up.
Yes you do 👍
@Metal Complex you might be the reason I've never been able to hold a Hinderer of any kind. You have so many and I've never seen one for sale in my area. Haha
He has one, right!?
Just bought my first Hinderer, got a decent deal on a Jurassic. Wish me luck!
A XM18 has been in my cart for weeks now and I just can't pull the trigger, I think your video pushed me over the edge lol.
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the 1 I wanna know about is the wild boar hinderer knife since it's the only one I have
Tip down carry option is what's great about them. Plus they're beefy.
I woke up this morning on the fence about posting my Half Track on the secondary market...
Almost like you sensed a disturbance in the force!
Hahahaha
I have an18.5 coming from Monkey Edge right now in s45vn. This is a grail knife for me. I'm literaly freaking out right now.
Are they still only selling to first responders?
Thank you for the video. One thing that keeps me away from Hinderers is that I have never seen a Left-handed model and even the pocket clip seems like it cannot be switched for leftside carry. Do you know If Hinderer makes any models suitable for lefties?
They do make left handed scales for the clip 👍
www.dlttrading.com/hinderer-3-5-xm-18-4-way-scale-kit-textured-black-g-10
I live in Akron Ohio, about 45 minutes north of Ricks shop... I just wanna support local businesses. At least that’s what I tell my wife.
I love the Bowie style blade. Hoping to get it on an XM-18 Vintage.
I feel like as a Ohio native I'm required to own a Hinderer someday. I should also get a KA-BAR TDI considering the institute was a mile from where I grew up.
I would agree with you if they made a lefty
Late to the party but I just wish there was a model with at least a left hand carry scale. A full left handed 18 would be cool but I understand why hinderer and many others don’t do it. If it’s as nice as you say it is then maybe it’s worth getting one anyways! 😂
I can’t bring myself to spend $425 on a knife. Today I won an XM-18 3.5” spanto no choil with dlc coating for $33. Comes in Tuesday and I’m stoked. Impatiently waiting watching your videos until it comes in
Hey buddy hope you're doing well. Eleven days into the new year and we already have a full Hinderer vid...what took you so long. You should become an official salesman for Hinderer...lol. Yeah totally biased hahaha, would've expect anything different from you. Great vid!
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Very nice collection. I saw a factory tour video of this brand and the brand of Spyderco Golden Colorado. This knife collection and all knives of this brand is made in a really quality and clean plant. The supply chain management and the processes is epic. I was shocked to see the Spyderco plant. The plant is a complete dump. Dirty and unorganized. I was shocked. My knife from Spyderco was made in Taichung Taiwan. I have not seen that plant but I have been to Taiwan and I trust that the Taiwan plant is like this company's plant. My next purchase is from this brand; Hinderer...
You will not be disappointed 👍
XM18 Gen 6 would look good in an knife collection 😍
Yes it would 😁
Nice video Metal Complex. Have two Hinderers already and looking towards XM 18 3.5 Skinny. What do you think about the skinny version? Is it worth it?
Didn’t you watch the video? He thinks they are all worth it. That’s a question only you can answer
I’d rather buy a new pistol for that kind of money. Much more machining and material for the price. I don’t see the value of a Hinderer knife over my ZT 0562ti. I’ve handled some Hinderers and the ZT is just as good if not better imo. To me it’s a brand/image thing for people who care about that stuff. Like buying designer jeans when Levi’s are better.
This is your opinion. That's fine. "Better" is an extremely relative term.
@R.J. Lewis I hate Levi's as I am a truck driver and they HATE us truckers. I have Hinderer's and a 0562 and the quality of the Hinderer is far beyond the zt. The 0562 isn't bad but the real deal is just so much better.
Metal Complex : Love your videos man. And yes, it is just my opinion. Never owned a Hinderer, only looked at them and handled a few brand new ones. They are nice knives for sure. I’m just one of those cheapskates that thinks 400+ is too much for a production knife of any brand.
Do they make knives for left-handed guys ?
They make scales with clip mount positions for lefties, but no true lefty framelocks... yet
Well I took my hinderer completely appart for the first time
Never thought i would caved in for a Hinderer... Given how bad rap i heard it couldn’t really flip compared to ZTs.... Well, you that nudged me over the edge lol. Went with Fatty 3.5 Tanto Gen 4.
They flip great now 👍
Excellent video. Keep it up!!!
Nice eye candy. I'm saving for one.
So picture this:
XM-24
Gen. 6
Bearings
Solid FRN scales
8Cr13MoV
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EVIL!... that's EVIL Justin! 😖... (😉)
Excelent video, dude!!!!👌😁😎
Although these knives are beautiful the one thing that really annoys me is that all of the flat head pivot screws are at a different clock position
The Vintage series just does it for me. It'll look awesome still with some heavy use. Grail...
I felt the same way until I found out about the steel, such a let-down.
@@Antimonyish What's wrong with the steel??
@@zero2three1 It's very underwhelming, even compared to S30V. I get that they were going for a "vintage" feel but O-1 is the last steel I'd expect to see on a $400+ folder.
@@Antimonyish Well, burst my bubble. Thank you.
@@zero2three1 Sorry, didn't mean to. I was really keen on getting it too. Everything about the knife is awesome, but that steel doesn't sit right with me on a knife this expensive.
I really do detest the whole overbuilt, pyrbar of a "knife" era that knives went through back in the day. I'm so glad that people started remembering that knives are cutting tools first and foremost, and got away from that nonsense.
Once I got serious about knives I became a huge spyderco fan boy and owned 20+ at any given time and never gave much thought elsewhere. Then I was in a very bad accident where I had to be cut from the vehicle I was trapped inside and later became friends with the paramedic who did so. The last thing I remembered was him diving in the water,smashing my window out, slicing my seat belt off and then a leather boot before I lost consciousness. In the hospital he came to see me and my wife was hugging and thanking him and he said i didn't save your husband, Rick Hinderer did, then laid a knife on the table. It was a Hinderer XM-18 3.5. That was my introduction and I soon bought one on the secondary market to see what the fuss was about. I'm telling you, I've never regretted it. They are everything I love about Spyderco plus tougher and stronger in my opinion. I've owned 2 other makes both substantially more expensive than either previously mentioned and I'm convinced 4 to 600 is the max on knives as neither knife offered anything Hinderer doesn't other than higher price. I'm not knocking high prices I just firmly believe that the knives I own that were in the 1k range offer nothing my Hinderer's don't at half the price point. Just my two cents. Get one in your hands before you knock it, they may change your mind.
Thank you metal complex
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Why does the knife secondary market seem so predatory in comparison to others
By the way.. what about the weakness of the RHKs locks? I heard a few rumours and controversy and shitstorm talking about how they are dangerous cause the fail in spine lock tests. I had like seven Hinderers and I never had any issue with any of them .. but there are a few ''influencers'' like Ericas EDC or Neeves and they post a few hate videos about RHKs..
Ya it's just people banging on spines. We got away from that in the early 2010s and now this trend has come back for some reason. Any framelock will disengage with enough force. The question is "does this force occur naturally during use?" - the answer is no. No it does not. If spine impacts are occurring, you're misusing your folder. Period.
@@metal_complex My words... thanks.
So a while back you mentioned something about the possibility of an XM-18 in M4 (a serious contender for Excalibur in my mind). That just a rumor, or is that something you think we can legit look forward to?
Just me wishing. Lol
Arg! Good wish bro.
You just cost me $425!!! I'll thank you when it arrives!
That's roughly $4,500 on that table right there.
You're close 😉
@@metal_complex That's more than double what my small collection is so far. I will admit they are nice to look at.
11:13 me three years in the future
Not a fan of crazy expensive but I don't see that here. A whole bunch of sub 500 dollar variants. I also liked the sheer number of upgrades you cab buy. Don't like the look perse but I don't see a pricing problem
Great video. You n your boyfriend r doin great job.
So many options offerings and various but not the one that matters...LEFTY
They do have left handed scales. Guarantee, within the year, he'll have a lefty framelock
I think they are definitely worth it but I don’t really like the way they look
Great video man. I have 3.5 xm-18 skinny working finish. Love it. Use it all the time. They hold up. Worth every penny. You ever handled firetac ?
Yep! Great model. I have an upload on it! Check my "Hinderer Knives" playlist 😁
Thanks for the video and nice knives
PS...you always forget to mention the ZT 0566 and it's cheap and fantastic.
@R.J. Lewis he also mentioned collaborations zt0562
$75 for a f**king pocketclip!
That killed the xm18 as a grail for me.
Man, I dont think I'm gonna EVER find an XM 18 to buy! :'( I HATE when people buy them just to resell for more money! Sucks!
So I finally have a Interest in a hinderer and I can't find one anywhere 🙃
Hinder knives do cut. I own a chunky looking knife that is 20cv but I must say it is sharp.
Who is 30 min Mark?
i love hinderer knives
Sooo. From the video i guess you're a fan ???🤣🤣🤣🤣
There’s enough money on that table to buy a small used car!!!!
I sold all my Chris reeves to save money on hinderers
Didn't he get caught running his steels soft and acted like a prick? I wish I could find an affordable hrc tester
Xm18 got that fati
Love it!!!!